Not a mac kind of person, but I was so blown away by the performance of this little guy (The base M4 version) that I picked one up to play with emulation on! Amazon has them for $550, plus I finally got their visa card so minus $200 for the bonus, then with cashback overall only $332, crazy good computer for that money!!
The video is the M4 Pro, which isn't $550 on Amazon, for anyone seeing this post. Don't be confused, the M4 Pro Mac Mini is far more, starting around $1400 USD.
I am a Mac user myself. Not to hate, but the 20 core GPU 24GB RAM mac mini is 2200$ where I live, and the GPU is integrated, with a performance of an Nvidia 2060 Graphics card (two generations ago). I'm pretty sure I can find a Geforce 4060 (not 2060) at 300$. With 2.200 $ I can build a solid current gen gaming PC or buy a decent gaming laptop which runs these games better, natively on Windows. So, whilst impressive, I'd stick to using the Mac for what it is intended. If I want to play video games, I'd just buy a Windows machine with a dedicated graphics card.
Nothing you can do with mac you can't do with the beastly pc you might get at the same price, or cheaper! Much cheaper! Cinebench isn't worth shit and it's frequently used to justify the ridiculous prices apple demands
@@deandrei912 Apple’s price to performance isn’t quite there with the $1799 M4 Pro Mac Mini - might aswell get a MBP for $200 more. However, the size and power draw is impressive. Just like what Snazzy Labs and LTT admitted: The base M4 version is the one to get and it’s unbeatable. It’s the best price, performance and size combo on the market that can’t be replicated by a PC.
@ That’s an operating system preference - not necessarily a critique of the system capabilities with the hardware itself or the price to performance discussion as said by the OP.
The 599.99 base is actually affortable for an apple m4 product. I dont even use Apple but the base product imho is good for a family computer for the form factor.
@@drewnewby You should check again. Cyberpunk runs on the 7840HS on medium settings with 40 fps. On the m4 mac mini (base model) on medium settings with 60 fps. And it's not the optimized version, because the optimized cyberpunk version for the m chip will release on 2025.
You know that building your own rig would cost you much less? Apple takes 200 $for additi0onal 8GB of shaered RAM, when you can have 128GB for 210 bucks. I won't even mention drive space. I have 9TB in my rig. Smupple can kiss their own greedy arses.
So you will pay same price for half the RAM and storage space? xD Dude. Apple will ask you to pay 200 bucks to get 24GB instead of 16GB of SHARED RAM. And for $210 you can have 128GB. Build your own rig.
@@hadeseye2297 I want to see someone build an ARM SOC based Windows MINI PC with the same specs and performance as the M4 Pro Mac Mini with the 14 core CPU and 20 core GPU upgade. And keep the cost to around $1500.00 . No external GPUs allowed in this build.
Either Parallels and VMWare doesn´t support DX12, so it sucks. CrossOver is probably the best choice for Windows gaming on Mac. Cyberpunk will be released natively on macOS next year and I´m really looking forward to it.
As a game dev myself. Its frustrating how many devs/publishers do not publish native Mac or Linux builds as from my testing its much much faster than Proton etc on some hardware.
Economics don't lie. There once were companies that specialized on porting games to Linux. AlternativeGames, Feral Interactive, Loki, LGP, just to name few. They all went belly-up or stopped porting games. If you're an indie dev, there's actually no need to be frustrated - on the contrary, you should be happy as you've found a niche without much competition ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@totalermist Hack porting games is cool BUT those always have massive issues. The underlining game engine needs to be ported to a platform first. Not emulating Windows libs.
FYI, World of Warcraft, the game with about 6+ million players, was the very First NATIVE M processor client for Apple. Blizzard made it Day one of M1 release. So, that should be in your testing because million play it, specially Mac users because it was the ONLY MMO that would run on Mac back in the day without bootcamp. WoW should be the most tested game on ALL Mac gaming videos. Most Mac users don't game because Macs are generally terrible at gaming. So no TH-camrs seem to know about the M client even thought its been out since day one.
I'm impressed with how well this model handles games, thanks for testing this particular model cos I want to buy the same config :) It would be nice if you made quick recordings of a given game in several graphic settings (low, mid, high + maybe frame gen) or in one (e.g. high) but in several resolutions (1080p, 1440p). As for the games themselves, it would be great to see tests, e.g.: Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, Diablo 4, maybe Silent hill 2 remake and Elden ring (generally new and demanding games). Additionally :) but I don't know if you have VR and how it works in a Mac environment (it should work on Steam), it would be great to see how e.g. HL Alyx works. Thanks in advance and all the best for you and your channel :)
Thank you so much for testing PS3 emulation! I got into your channel because of emulation benchmarks, and I hope you keep testing newer hardware with PS3 emulation. It would be amazing if you could build a Ryzen 9700x or 9800x3D chip pc & see how it performs on RPCS3 with God of War III and Ascension as they both are really hard to emulate.
I hope the newer macs are as good as the mid 2012 Macbook Pro I am still using with Open Core Legacy Patcher. Still working as new for daily regular use. I am tempted to upgrade to this mac mini.
If anyone wants one but needs Windows, Broadcom just made VMware Fusion free, literally yesterday. No need to deal with Parallels' bs licensing. Not gonna be good for games that don't work with Crossover, but for most other stuff it will be good - it can do GPU acceleration for stuff like CAD, but the latency will be bad.
The Mini is indeed impressive, just not really sure I would choose one (especially the M4 Pro version) for gaming or emulation. I'm in Japan, and just check Apple's website. The Mini in the video would cost 278,800円 or 293,800円 depending on whether or not the user wants 10G ethernet. So, unless you really want a Mac, and you really want a very small factor computer, I'm not so sure many PC gamers are going to seriously consider switching to Apple. I know it's comparing apples (no pun intended) and oranges, but we're still very much comparing a computer with no way to change the CPU, memory etc. with a modular solution. The base M4 Mini, I can understand the appeal (I actually want to buy one). Just not a M4 Pro, especially for gaming.
We only need 30 FPS !!! We only need 640kb RAM. But look where we are. I had a zx81 black and white computer as a kid and wouldn't want it on anyone now.
"Why do you care so much about HD, it looks the same [as VHS]" - my mother. And they let people drive. It all depends on the screen size and how close you're sitting. Do you need 8K on your laptop, no. Do you need it on the 150" TV that a lot of people probably wish they had in their den; well, still no, but you could tell the difference.
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@@ImaginationToForm but you don't need more RAM in your calculator or higher FPS at a cinema. For AR/VR glasses 8K is A MUST, but for a monitor no? Not really; same way a cinema doesn't need 120FPS...😊
Why did you blur out that label in Cyberpunk 2077 section? Cyberpunk is arguably the first game that pushed a demand for spec upgrades. Every little morsel of info in the consumer market comes in clutch.
Mac Gaming has really got lot better over the years and it is about damn time. For awhile, gaming on an iPad was better option than the MacBook. Since they both use about equal chip sets, it really comes down to preference of device and OS, and which devs want to support which. I can see more ports and developers consider Mac in the future. Especially you can get this for around $500,
Definitely go for 2tb upgrade for certian mac games while still have enough for work and long term updates (still personally use an external 1tb ssd for emulation tho)
@hadeseye2297 Ironically perfect for me, since I too want a tinier M series chip to fit behind a 43inch 4k tv for emulation (As seen on the latest upload) and streaming with its hardware encoder. Plus it's already crazy good cause how very little power it actually uses
@Kvergetakis The M4 Pro has single core in the bag, so for emulation it would be the pick for any emulator coded natively in RISC. The iGPU is stronger also. The problem is the price at $1799 for this SKU, I would definitely wait for Strix Halo.
@Geonade The current Strix Point AI 9 890M just aren't that much faster than 780M. Better than the base M4, but not this M4 Pro. Strix Halo will be, but not in this form factor.
@Geonade Strix Halo will not be 1K, not even as low as 2K USD. They are workstation / desktop replacement laptop dies. The M4 Pro SKUs are priced as I mentioned in my other comments, not the prices you have mentioned.
Macs have good potential for gaming so more games should be ported to Mac silicon as translation Rosetta 2 layer + VM like Crossover takes quite a big performance toll. Still M4 Mac Mini has great value even SSD storage might be quite a bummer.
When path of Exile 2 (POE2) comes out, kindly try again with that game. If it works well enough, I prefer to get this over an expensive mini PC running Linux.
I have to give this one to Apple, performance is nice when it comes to their native APIs. Problem is, this is hard to compare to x86 because there capabilities are different.
I'm shocked at how well the Mac mini Pro (I just call it that, saves having to say "With the M4 Pro") and again I'm coming from a PC back to Mac and I'm gonna say this..... WORTH IT
~ GREAT VIDEO ~ FINALLY a 14 / 20 CORE m4 PRO ... NOBODY ELSE , haven't test it out ... all the clips on TH-cam are for the basic PRO .. not the 14/20 core one... UGHT I WISH YOU HAD A 48 GB RAM... VERY CURIOUS , if there is actual difference bump from 24 GB and 48 GB of RAM. SINCE , APPLE's RAM works differently than the PC RAM... and GPU AND CPU are both benefit from it !!!
@@EMIL-IVANOV I got an m4pro base model, received it last week and played around a bit. I do casual gaming and indie game dev, it was powerful enough for both but I just felt like it could do an upgrade so I’m going to switch it with 14/20c + 48ram + 1Tb next week. Base model is definitely powerful and its probably more than capable for most tasks but I think 14/20 upgrade is a no brainer at that price point. Ram upgrade is a bit overkill for most people but I might need it for unreal engine etc.
It’s just a shame Apple doesn’t support Vulkan. I mean it’s an open standard for Pete’s sake. Since Apple Charges so much for Ram and Storage, I don’t think the base Pro model is that bad. Just getting 24G of Ram and 512G of storage cost $1000, so the better CPU / GPU isn’t that much more.
That really is incredible performance in such a small package, right from the factory. However, this configuration is $1800. You could piece together similar performance on the PC windows world for a lot less, although you wouldn’t have the ultra small form factor.
@@t.7527 Mac being a polished experience for gaming? HAH. Allow me to laugh. The amount of games that are available on Mac versus Windows is laughable. Gaming on a Mac is still unnecessarily difficult. It's frustrating because the hardware is finally good enough for quite decent gaming performance. Apple are just schmucks and doesn't want to play nice with any of the existing frameworks like Vulkan (only one example).
I suppose running games under Crossover is also emulation, it's emulating the x86-64 architecture on ARM, so that qualifies as software emulation. And high-level emulation of a Direct3D 12 compatible GPU.
wukong is not running at med settings for sure, the char doesn't even have shadows if the game is getting 70ish fps in low settings that means in real mid settings the game will get somewhere between 50 and 55 for sure check zworm gaming benchmarks
also fg is enabled so the base fsp will be something like 50 and if you were actualy playing with mid settings and no fg the game will give you 30 ish fps
There is a growing demand for Macs to rival PCs in gaming performance, and Apple is making significant strides in that direction. Currently, many users rely on PCs solely for gaming while turning to Macs for everything else. However, with continued innovation, Macs have the potential to become a comprehensive solution that meets the needs of all users, including gamers.
I really wish they’d have a native solution for older OpenGL and directX games. I don’t speak for everyone but I really have no interest in modern titles.. let me play EverQuest on Mac and I’m sold.
@ You make a great point-backward compatibility with older OpenGL and DirectX games would be a game-changer for many users. Supporting classics like EverQuest would open the door for a broader audience who value retro and legacy gaming experiences. Hopefully, Apple takes note and develops a native solution to bridge this gap!
Agreed. I have a really good PC that is solely used for gaming nowadays. Bought an M3 MacBook and was pleasantly surprised by its performance and how much less I’m using my desktop. Planning on picking up an M4 mini just so I have to deal even less with Windows. Hopefully Apple keeps at it.
Kinda a shame. I hate Mac OS. But damn, their hardware is the best by a lot right now. I use a MacBook entirely for the hardware, but I also use my desktop PC a lot more often now than when I had a PC laptop.
Your content is what I have been looking forward to the most since the M4 Mac Mini was announced. I am so happy that the Mac is becoming a good gaming platform. Even though I don't need a Mac Mini, I might pick one up anyway because it's so cool.
I have this same Mini sitting on my desk like 2 feet from my face, and you can definitely hear the fan when it's under load. It's pretty subdued and low-pitch though. I wish folks would test this more often, like I have a Beelink in a MAME cabinet that has super obnoxious fans and no one talks about this stuff.
@ I feel now the M4 Pro is a big heart in a small body. I’m thinking of returning it and go for M4 32Gb RAM instead, which should be silent as a baby even in high load. Apple should admit that they’ve added fan to the little case only for M4 Pro.
at usd$800 price range i would rather choose minisforum HX77G RYZEN 7 7735HS + RX 6600M(GDDR6 8GB) it doesnt need emulator, which a problem on reduced games performance and selection because the compatiblity with the emulator. if apple doesnt want to invest more on compatibily for their chip / device, why would windows pc gamers would be interested to buy it?
What are some native and AAA games that can run on this M4 Pro (20c GPU) at 4k resolution? Like can we run Shadow of the TombRaider and a AAA car racing game (like Forza Motorsport) at 4K with a decent playable 40 - 60 fps ?
Not a mac kind of person, but I was so blown away by the performance of this little guy (The base M4 version) that I picked one up to play with emulation on! Amazon has them for $550, plus I finally got their visa card so minus $200 for the bonus, then with cashback overall only $332, crazy good computer for that money!!
@@ArctikAKRU Wow, you got a great deal! I may have to do the same!
The video is the M4 Pro, which isn't $550 on Amazon, for anyone seeing this post. Don't be confused, the M4 Pro Mac Mini is far more, starting around $1400 USD.
@drewnewby Good point, yea just the base M4 which imo is a much better value. The one in this video is 1400+
The one in the video is $1799. Apple has two M4 Pro dies, one is cut down, same name though, just to confuse buyers.
@@drewnewby M4 is £999.99 in the UK lol
I can’t wait for the day game developers start supporting Macs. I love the new form factor.
The fact that an ARM Based system is running Black Myth: Wukong is insane, and at medium 1080p too
I wonder if a good old ubuntu ARM installation with a radeon or nvidia gpu can do the same.
And that’s through an emulation layer
Why is it impressive? Arm64 is a faster, better architecture than x86.
I would take IBM power over x86 any day!!
X86 is one crap architecture
@@PKperformanceEU+
X86 = Homo Erectus
ARM = Homo Sapiens
@@PKperformanceEUit's impressive because you won't like the performance of non-apple arms
I am a Mac user myself. Not to hate, but the 20 core GPU 24GB RAM mac mini is 2200$ where I live, and the GPU is integrated, with a performance of an Nvidia 2060 Graphics card (two generations ago). I'm pretty sure I can find a Geforce 4060 (not 2060) at 300$. With 2.200 $ I can build a solid current gen gaming PC or buy a decent gaming laptop which runs these games better, natively on Windows. So, whilst impressive, I'd stick to using the Mac for what it is intended. If I want to play video games, I'd just buy a Windows machine with a dedicated graphics card.
Nothing you can do with mac you can't do with the beastly pc you might get at the same price, or cheaper! Much cheaper! Cinebench isn't worth shit and it's frequently used to justify the ridiculous prices apple demands
@@deandrei912 Apple’s price to performance isn’t quite there with the $1799 M4 Pro Mac Mini - might aswell get a MBP for $200 more. However, the size and power draw is impressive. Just like what Snazzy Labs and LTT admitted: The base M4 version is the one to get and it’s unbeatable. It’s the best price, performance and size combo on the market that can’t be replicated by a PC.
you can try minisforum HX77G RYZEN 7 7735HS + RX 6600M(GDDR6 8GB) at usd$800 price range.
@@_IMNNOno windows and Linux support then big no from me
@ That’s an operating system preference - not necessarily a critique of the system capabilities with the hardware itself or the price to performance discussion as said by the OP.
thanks for this vid. I just got Mac Mini M4 Pro 14 cpu / 20 gpu core yesterday.
@@TroySkirchak only good in very specific use cases, for everythingr else normal pcs demolish
@@TroySkirchak what games can it play ? Does it struggle at anything?
Incredible that it can run cyberpunk at over 10,000p!😅
@@josephcastrodale3288 mac mini did the big things.
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Bro is an igpu, don't you know the performance of those ?
And it will look better on Mac than pc because the ai enhancement will make it look almost like real !
@@Nsfwstarm2 ultra has 76 GPU cores, do you know any other similar iGPUs?
@@Nsfwstar I'm not a gamer, so no. What's an iGPU? The only GPUs I'm somewhat familiar with are external GPUs.
The 599.99 base is actually affortable for an apple m4 product. I dont even use Apple but the base product imho is good for a family computer for the form factor.
It is affordable for Apple, but the base M4 benches similar to $350-400 mini PCs in multicore and GPU performance.
@@drewnewby Can you give me an example? What mini PC is better?
@alexh7513 Sure, any 7840HS or higher based mini PC has better multicore performance, and their 780M GPU is also faster.
alexh7513 Sure, any 7840HS or higher based mini PC has better multicore performance, and their 780M GPU is also faster.
@@drewnewby You should check again. Cyberpunk runs on the 7840HS on medium settings with 40 fps. On the m4 mac mini (base model) on medium settings with 60 fps. And it's not the optimized version, because the optimized cyberpunk version for the m chip will release on 2025.
I was waiting for review from this channel… thx
Toyota casually stepping in @9:44 😆
Yeah :3
He has ordered a Toyota
they want to talk about his car's extended warranty
I wonder what Toyota he got
Prius or Supra? 😂
I actually just bought the new iMac that came out with it. 1TB storage, 32GB RAM. Can't wait for it!
You know that building your own rig would cost you much less? Apple takes 200 $for additi0onal 8GB of shaered RAM, when you can have 128GB for 210 bucks. I won't even mention drive space. I have 9TB in my rig. Smupple can kiss their own greedy arses.
@@hadeseye2297 People buy apple products as a status symbol though.
@@hadeseye2297 Yes and if I had time, space and patience to do it myself, I probably could put it together myself.
@@KigurumiInuyashayou can buy prebuilts or monitor pcs with infinitely better performance and price while meeting all your requirements
@ do they make them in Apple?
This is one of the best reviews of the new Mac Mini M4 Pro I have seen so far. The gaming and emulation testing really helped me with my decision.
So you will pay same price for half the RAM and storage space? xD Dude. Apple will ask you to pay 200 bucks to get 24GB instead of 16GB of SHARED RAM. And for $210 you can have 128GB. Build your own rig.
@@hadeseye2297 I want to see someone build an ARM SOC based Windows MINI PC with the same specs and performance as the M4 Pro Mac Mini with the 14 core CPU and 20 core GPU upgade. And keep the cost to around $1500.00 . No external GPUs allowed in this build.
Either Parallels and VMWare doesn´t support DX12, so it sucks. CrossOver is probably the best choice for Windows gaming on Mac.
Cyberpunk will be released natively on macOS next year and I´m really looking forward to it.
Can't wait to pick one up @ my local flea market 7 years from now when this becomes the old Mac mini 😆.. so I can try this out ..
Yes am that patient
@@spragzpc1 it will be half 1/4 of the price than😂
As a game dev myself. Its frustrating how many devs/publishers do not publish native Mac or Linux builds as from my testing its much much faster than Proton etc on some hardware.
Economics don't lie. There once were companies that specialized on porting games to Linux. AlternativeGames, Feral Interactive, Loki, LGP, just to name few. They all went belly-up or stopped porting games.
If you're an indie dev, there's actually no need to be frustrated - on the contrary, you should be happy as you've found a niche without much competition ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@totalermist Hack porting games is cool BUT those always have massive issues. The underlining game engine needs to be ported to a platform first. Not emulating Windows libs.
FYI, World of Warcraft, the game with about 6+ million players, was the very First NATIVE M processor client for Apple. Blizzard made it Day one of M1 release. So, that should be in your testing because million play it, specially Mac users because it was the ONLY MMO that would run on Mac back in the day without bootcamp. WoW should be the most tested game on ALL Mac gaming videos. Most Mac users don't game because Macs are generally terrible at gaming. So no TH-camrs seem to know about the M client even thought its been out since day one.
M5 or M6 chips in a game console, a dream!
Keep dreaming arm gaming console? Mabey the switch but even that's a hybrid 😂
@@Space97. What hybrid? Switch is running on ARM
@@8bitchiptune420 hybrid console" other than that no other console run on arm (atm)
Hope this helps 👍
@@Space97. ARM is the future, no way around it
@@tibui-c4k I would agree but game developers say otherwise and until that changes nah 💀
I'm impressed with how well this model handles games, thanks for testing this particular model cos I want to buy the same config :) It would be nice if you made quick recordings of a given game in several graphic settings (low, mid, high + maybe frame gen) or in one (e.g. high) but in several resolutions (1080p, 1440p).
As for the games themselves, it would be great to see tests, e.g.:
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, Diablo 4, maybe Silent hill 2 remake and Elden ring (generally new and demanding games). Additionally :) but I don't know if you have VR and how it works in a Mac environment (it should work on Steam), it would be great to see how e.g. HL Alyx works.
Thanks in advance and all the best for you and your channel :)
Thank you so much for testing PS3 emulation! I got into your channel because of emulation benchmarks, and I hope you keep testing newer hardware with PS3 emulation. It would be amazing if you could build a Ryzen 9700x or 9800x3D chip pc & see how it performs on RPCS3 with God of War III and Ascension as they both are really hard to emulate.
Hey it's me, Yuri from Toyota.
I hope the newer macs are as good as the mid 2012 Macbook Pro I am still using with Open Core Legacy Patcher. Still working as new for daily regular use. I am tempted to upgrade to this mac mini.
Excellent video.
Very rare that the only complaint on an apple launch is the power button. These Mac minis were a great launch. I’m impressed!
Have you considered running Windows 10 using Parallels for gaming? Really curious to see what the benchmarks would be like.
Same
You show an Apple Mac Mini M4 Pro and show price of M4 non pro at the end. little confusing at least. Misleading almost.
Gran Turismo 4 has 16:9 aspect ratio in-game. Suggestion to use the PAL-EU version so you can put in 50FPS/50Hz.
If anyone wants one but needs Windows, Broadcom just made VMware Fusion free, literally yesterday. No need to deal with Parallels' bs licensing. Not gonna be good for games that don't work with Crossover, but for most other stuff it will be good - it can do GPU acceleration for stuff like CAD, but the latency will be bad.
Great review, could you please review the M4 Max with 40 GPU as far as gaming is concerned ?
The Mini is indeed impressive, just not really sure I would choose one (especially the M4 Pro version) for gaming or emulation.
I'm in Japan, and just check Apple's website. The Mini in the video would cost 278,800円 or 293,800円 depending on whether or not the user wants 10G ethernet.
So, unless you really want a Mac, and you really want a very small factor computer, I'm not so sure many PC gamers are going to seriously consider switching to Apple. I know it's comparing apples (no pun intended) and oranges, but we're still very much comparing a computer with no way to change the CPU, memory etc. with a modular solution.
The base M4 Mini, I can understand the appeal (I actually want to buy one).
Just not a M4 Pro, especially for gaming.
Nobody needs 8k. It looks the same as 4k
We only need 30 FPS !!! We only need 640kb RAM. But look where we are. I had a zx81 black and white computer as a kid and wouldn't want it on anyone now.
"Why do you care so much about HD, it looks the same [as VHS]" - my mother. And they let people drive.
It all depends on the screen size and how close you're sitting. Do you need 8K on your laptop, no. Do you need it on the 150" TV that a lot of people probably wish they had in their den; well, still no, but you could tell the difference.
@@ImaginationToForm but you don't need more RAM in your calculator or higher FPS at a cinema. For AR/VR glasses 8K is A MUST, but for a monitor no? Not really; same way a cinema doesn't need 120FPS...😊
@@youraveragedillon5958 it looks the same as 4k because he does not own a 8k screen.
Why did you blur out that label in Cyberpunk 2077 section? Cyberpunk is arguably the first game that pushed a demand for spec upgrades. Every little morsel of info in the consumer market comes in clutch.
gameplay starts at 4:36 for those tired of him repeating m4 pro
Here's a video idea; You can compare the 8k versions of the games with the emulator and the original console versions.
Waiting for First Person Shooting games testing in M4 Pro mac mini 12C CPU and 16C GPU ☺
VTOL VR is in steam. BTW the mini 4 pro I have ordered is the exact configuration you have shown here.
It'll be interesting to see how Cyberpunk compares when the native Metal version drops.
Mac Gaming has really got lot better over the years and it is about damn time. For awhile, gaming on an iPad was better option than the MacBook. Since they both use about equal chip sets, it really comes down to preference of device and OS, and which devs want to support which. I can see more ports and developers consider Mac in the future.
Especially you can get this for around $500,
They won't. Apple has stop the yearly updates every year and just do security updates for that to happen.
Yes graphically ,BUT story-wise it is DOWN for years.
Bro this is not the basic model. It's the M4 Pro and the price is not 600$.
wonder how much of a difference there is with m4 vs m4 pro.
Really nice video. Can you test the World of Warcraft and see what the difference is from the base and the pro version?
Dude. its world of warcraft. any apple silicon machine will run it on max graphics at hundreds of frames per sec
Great review. Have you been successful playing City Skylines II using Crossover?
Definitely go for 2tb upgrade for certian mac games while still have enough for work and long term updates (still personally use an external 1tb ssd for emulation tho)
xD Dude. smupple rip offs 200 for 8GB of RAM. For the same price I will buy 128GB for the rig I'll build by myself.
@hadeseye2297 Ironically perfect for me, since I too want a tinier M series chip to fit behind a 43inch 4k tv for emulation (As seen on the latest upload) and streaming with its hardware encoder. Plus it's already crazy good cause how very little power it actually uses
That's great 😁
Very impressive 😮
This mac looks like a great gaming gadget. I am really impressed by what I have seen. I am definitely gonna try getting the mac 4.
It's not
A test of the basic model should have been more interesting. To see how it work out of the bow, with the models that most of us should buy.
He already did
nice running SF6, it looks good
The team at rpcs3 really need to do a mac update there's no reason these m4 chips are performing like this.
Would love to see some Demon's Souls tested, curiously how far the 120fps setting can be pushed
Apple M4 Pro vs Amd AI 9 HX 370 plz.
ArmV9 vs X86-64
Which chip has stronger Igpu? and better performance in emulation?
@Kvergetakis The M4 Pro has single core in the bag, so for emulation it would be the pick for any emulator coded natively in RISC. The iGPU is stronger also. The problem is the price at $1799 for this SKU, I would definitely wait for Strix Halo.
The ai9 has way better gpu.
@Geonade The current Strix Point AI 9 890M just aren't that much faster than 780M. Better than the base M4, but not this M4 Pro. Strix Halo will be, but not in this form factor.
@@drewnewby the issue is you can get a strix halo for about 1k, for the pro m4 its 1600 minimum and if you want the xtra gpu cores its 2k
@Geonade Strix Halo will not be 1K, not even as low as 2K USD. They are workstation / desktop replacement laptop dies. The M4 Pro SKUs are priced as I mentioned in my other comments, not the prices you have mentioned.
Macs have good potential for gaming so more games should be ported to Mac silicon as translation Rosetta 2 layer + VM like Crossover takes quite a big performance toll. Still M4 Mac Mini has great value even SSD storage might be quite a bummer.
What is that background music around 7:50? Is so relaxing
When path of Exile 2 (POE2) comes out, kindly try again with that game.
If it works well enough, I prefer to get this over an expensive mini PC running Linux.
I have to give this one to Apple, performance is nice when it comes to their native APIs. Problem is, this is hard to compare to x86 because there capabilities are different.
It seems like the end game for Apple would be having a Mac Mini + Vision Pro
Huge difference from my m1 Mac mini. Wild
please also compare to the entry level mac mini. that one has a much larger target audience also.
I'm shocked at how well the Mac mini Pro (I just call it that, saves having to say "With the M4 Pro") and again I'm coming from a PC back to Mac and I'm gonna say this..... WORTH IT
i know it might be kind of off topic but could you tell me the brand and model of your keyboard? it looks awesome
~ GREAT VIDEO ~ FINALLY a 14 / 20 CORE m4 PRO ... NOBODY ELSE , haven't test it out ... all the clips on TH-cam are for the basic PRO .. not the 14/20 core one... UGHT I WISH YOU HAD A 48 GB RAM... VERY CURIOUS , if there is actual difference bump from 24 GB and 48 GB of RAM. SINCE , APPLE's RAM works differently than the PC RAM... and GPU AND CPU are both benefit from it !!!
@@EMIL-IVANOV I got an m4pro base model, received it last week and played around a bit. I do casual gaming and indie game dev, it was powerful enough for both but I just felt like it could do an upgrade so I’m going to switch it with 14/20c + 48ram + 1Tb next week. Base model is definitely powerful and its probably more than capable for most tasks but I think 14/20 upgrade is a no brainer at that price point. Ram upgrade is a bit overkill for most people but I might need it for unreal engine etc.
Do World Of Warcraft in som raid/pvp and tey put all on Max settings 🙏🏻
It’s just a shame Apple doesn’t support Vulkan. I mean it’s an open standard for Pete’s sake.
Since Apple Charges so much for Ram and Storage, I don’t think the base Pro model is that bad. Just getting 24G of Ram and 512G of storage cost $1000, so the better CPU / GPU isn’t that much more.
That really is incredible performance in such a small package, right from the factory. However, this configuration is $1800. You could piece together similar performance on the PC windows world for a lot less, although you wouldn’t have the ultra small form factor.
Nah not really
You wouldn’t have the polished user experience of Mac products either.
PCs never compared to Macs for me. Just a much better experience for me.
@@t.7527 Mac being a polished experience for gaming? HAH. Allow me to laugh. The amount of games that are available on Mac versus Windows is laughable. Gaming on a Mac is still unnecessarily difficult. It's frustrating because the hardware is finally good enough for quite decent gaming performance. Apple are just schmucks and doesn't want to play nice with any of the existing frameworks like Vulkan (only one example).
@Tanax13 I laughed out loud as soon as I read "polished user experience".
@ polished OS experience, lets get it right
Love your channel, you don't see things like this. Uncharted game
Have you tried VR with the mini 4 pro? I would like to try VTOL VR, are you able to try it? Quest 3 preferably.
if my pc broken i will buy this.
I suppose running games under Crossover is also emulation, it's emulating the x86-64 architecture on ARM, so that qualifies as software emulation. And high-level emulation of a Direct3D 12 compatible GPU.
9:50 you might wanna edit out that SMS you got whilst playing
its essentially a PS4 Pro/Series X in that palm footprint
Hope your Toyota is good.
No Brasil o preço é sempre mais alto, todavia quero comprar um Mac Mini além é claro do M2 que já tenho
Please test ryujinx and it’s various forks, and shadps4 👍
Great hardware, but their closed garden policy is a deal breaker in the long run. More expensive gaming due to Apple tax is the last thing I need
What monitor you're using?
would there be any chance of showcasing how valheim, stardew valley and red dead redemption would run?
There’s an official windows for arm iso that microsoft released. Try that if it boots onto the m4
Here's hoping RPCS3 gets optimized for the M4 down the line.
Why is at 7:50 the 1080p name is blurred out?
Out of pure curiosity, how much energy does it consume and what volume level does it maintain while playing?
wukong is not running at med settings for sure, the char doesn't even have shadows if the game is getting 70ish fps in low settings that means in real mid settings the game will get somewhere between 50 and 55 for sure check zworm gaming benchmarks
also fg is enabled so the base fsp will be something like 50 and if you were actualy playing with mid settings and no fg the game will give you 30 ish fps
How did you record the gaming footage?
Hi, try whiskey with metal, it better then crossover
Shit Now thePocket Dmg & Legion 2024 Look Expensive
cyberpunk at 10870P crazy
Would you recommend this or the Lenovo recently done with modified graphics card as better value?
There is a growing demand for Macs to rival PCs in gaming performance, and Apple is making significant strides in that direction. Currently, many users rely on PCs solely for gaming while turning to Macs for everything else. However, with continued innovation, Macs have the potential to become a comprehensive solution that meets the needs of all users, including gamers.
I really wish they’d have a native solution for older OpenGL and directX games. I don’t speak for everyone but I really have no interest in modern titles.. let me play EverQuest on Mac and I’m sold.
@ You make a great point-backward compatibility with older OpenGL and DirectX games would be a game-changer for many users. Supporting classics like EverQuest would open the door for a broader audience who value retro and legacy gaming experiences. Hopefully, Apple takes note and develops a native solution to bridge this gap!
Agreed. I have a really good PC that is solely used for gaming nowadays. Bought an M3 MacBook and was pleasantly surprised by its performance and how much less I’m using my desktop. Planning on picking up an M4 mini just so I have to deal even less with Windows. Hopefully Apple keeps at it.
@@VividTheaterI'm surprised your account is that old. Why do you use ChatGPT to write comments?
Kinda a shame. I hate Mac OS. But damn, their hardware is the best by a lot right now. I use a MacBook entirely for the hardware, but I also use my desktop PC a lot more often now than when I had a PC laptop.
What frame rates should I expect to get from Diablo 4?
God of War Ragnarok , can you please do a video tutorial how to run ??
Your content is what I have been looking forward to the most since the M4 Mac Mini was announced. I am so happy that the Mac is becoming a good gaming platform. Even though I don't need a Mac Mini, I might pick one up anyway because it's so cool.
How loud was the fan during testing? This is what people don’t know.
I have this same Mini sitting on my desk like 2 feet from my face, and you can definitely hear the fan when it's under load. It's pretty subdued and low-pitch though.
I wish folks would test this more often, like I have a Beelink in a MAME cabinet that has super obnoxious fans and no one talks about this stuff.
@ I feel now the M4 Pro is a big heart in a small body. I’m thinking of returning it and go for M4 32Gb RAM instead, which should be silent as a baby even in high load. Apple should admit that they’ve added fan to the little case only for M4 Pro.
When running windows will be the best
Run some LLM models and check how many tokens per seconds Mac mini pro make.
I wonder if the Apple TV 4k gen 3 can perform to similar levels to play on the living room. Apple should start competing in the console market.
instead of crossover, why you guys do not try bottles?
fps compare with ordinary M4 would be more informative in these tests
That keyboard is gorgeous
how about inverting the mac mini to improve thermals. hot air rises and the power button is easier to access when inverted.
at usd$800 price range i would rather choose minisforum HX77G RYZEN 7 7735HS + RX 6600M(GDDR6 8GB)
it doesnt need emulator, which a problem on reduced games performance and selection because the compatiblity with the emulator. if apple doesnt want to invest more on compatibily for their chip / device, why would windows pc gamers would be interested to buy it?
Have you tried Asahi Linux and Proton on it? I’m curious if that results in more compatibility than CrossOver in macOS.
Please do some winlater stuff
What are some native and AAA games that can run on this M4 Pro (20c GPU) at 4k resolution? Like can we run Shadow of the TombRaider and a AAA car racing game (like Forza Motorsport) at 4K with a decent playable 40 - 60 fps ?
If this thing can run RDR2 I’m sold…
Hey what monitor are you using?