I can at least appreciate that, unlike a LOT of Warcraft streamers, he's actually trying to understand the game and what it's about without shitting all over it because of a trailer. At least I think he'd understand how a fountain works.
And not going around calling it weeb crap and thinking he's better than FF14 players because he plays WoW. Imagine being a nerd calling other people nerds.
@@whoknozwhat I can assure you he was 100% serious about the fountain, he even apologised over it. Also soda didn't know how to boil water until like, last year.
@@drago1uk2000 oh yeah but you realise 90% of his content is saying shit just to trigger people lol it's literally his thing whether its serious or not. Its literally what hes done for years. The fountain wouldnt be the first unfavorable thing hes said. 🤦♂️ Also if people are really bent over a fountain from a game some random sperg on the internet not knowing how they work is silly 😂
Some things to point out to all of those WoW players that are just interested in this. Unlike WoW, FFXIV doesnt have a public test realm or anything like it, they dont test the boss publicly and the normal raids are released at the same time than the savage raids (savage would be akin to heroic/mythic) so all of those WF players are generally going to those fights entirely blind, sometimes you can find some points of comparision like "oh, this boss is related to another boss from a previous raid so they could have similar mechanics" and it does happen but for the most part, they do have entirely new and unique mechanics. Now, Ultimates (which are the raids being shown here) are kinda different to this, Ultimates are a retell of previous raids, for example The Epic of Alexander is a retell of the Alexander raids released on Heavensward where they picked a couple of the most important bosses from that raid and put them in a gauntlet, so while they did obviously reuse some of the mechanics from the original fights, they were changed and augmented to a ridiculous degree, so while a lot of wf raid groups went to re do the original Alexander raids just to prepare for TEA, a lot of it was entirely new. On that topic its also worth bringing up the DBM, because everyone is going in blind at the same time, DBM has to be very vaguely set up by the players themselves while progging, yea some updates do come out that will just give the actual information to everyone without having to set it up yourself but thats after many people have actually cleared and the fight is thoroughly broke down, for WF this is not the case, they all set it up as they go just so they dont suffer as much (also worth pointing out that specifically this group that got the WF on TEA set up the DBM beforehand in case the bosses did abilities from their original fights but thats about it).
@@broccairns5457 yeah, it's Cactbot, a plugin you can install through ACT (the combat parser tool) but like has been mentioned already, it's technically against TOS though I believe you're unlikely to be banned if you're using it privately
I LOVE how you went from the entry fight of the expansion, when the training wheels are still on, WITH a person to guide you on what's going on, to literally the most nail bitingly infuriating fight in the entire game.
@@Saber9933 Oh true I didn't catch that's what he meant. But yeah cactbot is unnecessary for this fight. All of the mechs are really telegraphed, especially in PA. I had someone in my static that was using it but stopped around when we got past p3 because it wasn't helping him at all lol.
Not a WoW thing, they don't have nearly as good accompanying fight music. That's why a lot of WoW players are so used to listening to their own things, muting the BGM and playing the game that way.
@@crunkulouss I've seen a bunch of healers still melding piety in Eulmore. I'm not one of them and never have been because I liked dps whm even though not having piety way back when was looked down upon, before mana was harder to manage before the mp transition. I just hated having to remeld piety for end game content back then so I've had some real butt clench low mana moments.
@@maxspecs that seems concerning almost as if the fight doesnt have proper mechanics or you havent tried. Theres no way uve played that long and activley tried, if thats the case i hope you are bad otherwise thats horrible design.
@@Odyssey636 I have yet to try it, honestly. Most extreme trials are actually pretty reasonable once you put in the work and muscle memory, it’s just a matter of learning where to be and what to do alongside 7 other people and if anyone messes up once, it throws everything else off and usually leads to a wipe. So just do a 15 minute DDR song. While also playing your class rotations well enough that your damage is faster than the boss’s enrage timer.
@@Odyssey636 That's very smug. Mechanics in difficult content are literally puzzles in 14, they're harder to figure out than to execute. Solving how they work is 90% of the race for world first difficulty. If you think you can figure out how they work at a glance that's a disparagement on whatever shlock you play, not on this fight.
@@WolfmanXD Pretty much what Spookyturbo said. The races in FFXIV are 99% human looking. I never really looked at that as furry, because they are simply not. They are skin and bones just like humans, and they look pretty much exactly like humans.
@@WolfmanXD Furries wear full body suits, they don't just wear fake ears. The characters in FFXIV just aren't what furries are into at all, you never see furries with art of humans with animal ears either it's always those cartoon full on animals.
Basically what that last entire phase on the mega robot is about, is that it shows you what it is doing first / how he is going to kill you, and you essentially change the future by handling the mechanic appropriately, that's the entire premise of Alexander, the God of Time
Important detail: killing the heart prevents you from getting the Enigma Codex buff, which lets you see that entire mechanic. In fact, there was a group that was 'too consistent' on the prime phase and blew up that heart every time for multiple runs and it cost them the world first clear.
@@GrimoireM made me giggle when mike said "mechanics are actually very straightforward" while the true heart was infamous for being a bullshit puzzle that made the world first race an RNG check on who stumbles upon it first.
12:35 or so, in regards to the UI, you have a screen where you can freely drag around and resize UI elements, so it's just whatever you want to be rather than any mods, you could make your own debuff bar a lot bigger if you wanted to
So when you're actually playing this (Alexander) fight, you would have had to have done a series of bosses leading up to it (each in their own instance, you don't have to fight them all in a row in one run, thankfully) which would have introduced and familiarized you wish some of the unique, non-universal mechanics that then all come together in this fight. It's really neat how they almost serve as "final exams" for everything in the raid line that came before.
@@JJStylies The only requirement ever to do do TEA was clearing E4S. You didn't even need to clear E1-3S if you got jumped up. What other requirement are you claiming existed?
@@scoobiusmaximus9508 to do e4s you would've had to clear every other savage fight before it since on content you have to clear savage fights in order, unless you get one person to clear them all and skip you forward It wasn't literally a change to the TEA requirements, I said it in a confusing way
@@scoobiusmaximus9508 he meant as in you will see LL, cruise chaser etc in their own instance way before you get access to TEA... Ultimates in lore are fanfiction written about certain storylines to bring the bosses into 1 fight.
@@RandomGuyCDN Usually the soundtracks for FFXIV are fine, if you have gameplay footage being shown while it's played. That's why all of the videos on TH-cam that play the soundtrack, are overlayed over footage of the boss in question.
Even though it's way easier content, I'd love to see this for The Tower at Paradigm's Breach, mostly just for Mike's reaction on Square Enix HQ being a raid mechanic.
those mechanics are just Yoko Taro wanting you to suffer for his commute to work every single day, from his time on the train to showing up at the square enix building.
It took me three tiers and this video to realize just how many of these mechanics do nothing when resolved properly. I wonder if it would be easier to get a sense of what's going on by watching prog vids and seeing how players get smeared across the arena when they make a mistake. Nisi in particular turns the second phase of TEA into a choreographed ballet where one misstep is a wipe, but when done correctly it looks like nothing is going on.
Right, I've seen a lot of people thinking this content is simply melting the boss which I could understand looks like that if you don't see the consequences of messing up the mechanics And for dudes like him who don't like dancy fights maybe that would nice to really just get a feel for it
@@anko3562 I mean some mechanics are forgiving where you can recover from a mistake but some fight are just not forgiving right, I guess that's what's pointed out You wouldn't see the difference between a forgiving fight and an unforgiving one if you see what it does when you mess up which could make a hard fight and an easy fight look very similar for someone who doesn't actually consume the content
@@anko3562 Not really. In WoW even if you do mechanics correctly damage and such still happens. A perfect example here is Council on mythic where 5-6 players get a debuff and they need to jump 3 times or they die. Sounds simple enough right? Except when you jump you do raid wide damage. So even if you do the mechanic perfectly, you still got a huge amount of raid damage. From what i can see here in FFXIV if you do the mechanic right nothing actually happens.
Saying playing a catgirl makes you want your wife to act like a cat would be the same as me saying since you have an undead character you like to errrr "have sexy fun time" with dead bodies, it isn't really a fair thing to say lol
Yeah agreed. It’s just a cute variation on a human to put it simply. Preach brought up it has a weird connotation tied to it, but I can guarantee most fans don’t think about that sort of thing much if at all. It’s not like we’re out here trying to shag actual cats. It’s so difficult to explain things like this to non-anime fans or maybe I’m just anime trash and too far gone lol.
@@BlastHeart96 no their literally just nitpicking to hate wow has way worse then ff 14 you literally have walking cow women blue goat woman wolf women panda women dead women and a actual furry which are that new race the horde has vulpera or something literally ff14 has three characters that happen to have non human ears which are by far not even close to being a furry if anything wow characters are extremely close to being furry
personally i'd like him to watch some of the really weird bosses, not necessarily the hard ones, but the weird ones like p1t6, jade stoa, pool of tribute, or cinder drift. unique fights that are just... out there.
"Alright you need to calm down" Bruh they are on World's First pace (which they did get first place) with the boss in a DPS check phase at >5% health. Of course they are gonna get excited
That cage mechanic is a variant on each Ultimate fight's enrage. The way Ultimate enrages work is that they pick off each member of the raid one by one, usually with an execute spell. Alexander there does it a little different, in that instead of killing the raid members, he completely locks them down so that they can't act at all. If all eight raid members get locked down, it's a wipe.
@@ZackTheChiller also alexander never even kills the group. The fight just resets like you just re-queued the instance. perfect fit for a time-based boss
@@ich3730Yeah, both of you being trapped in time forever is pretty much the same as defeat. It is the only scenario where the instance intentionally resets without anybody dead. (I say intentionally because many fights enrages force reset the fight even if someone rez cheeses past them.
This time Mike is actually watching the best players in the world. Nice 👍🏼 I also appreciate Mike for the fact that his reasoning for not really trying xiv is a legitimate one (not really being a fan of dance fights, which are by far the most common in xiv) instead of the typical, the game is shit, i am not trying it. Not every big Warcraft tuber needs to suddenly start playing xiv. They both have there positives and negatives. It’s just unfortunate that WoW has had alot of negatives lately.
@@myrkrormr 99% of FF14 mechanics are about positioning - standing in the right place at the right time and moving to dodge telegraphed attacks. The highest difficulty fights in FF14 tend to play out more like tightly coreographed 8-man dances because of this, since positioning requirements become extremely strict.
@@GilliamYaeger i see nothing wrong with that. even if you memorize it there is always room for failure. and WoW is the same to an extent. the only difference is, as far as i can remember, WoW bosses dont have AOE indicators for a lot of their attacks. seems like a silly reason to not wanna try the game IMO
@@myrkrormr some bosses in WoW can be alot more vague, and mechanics tend to be more randomized, but that is because of mods. The WoW developers know that players use mods like dbm and weak auras ect ect so they design fights with that fact in mind. Those mods are not allowed in xiv so no such consideration is taken. Hence wow fights tend to be more of a puzzle where as xiv fights are more of a tightly choreographed dance. I guess I should also add that 14 fights are alot more movement based.
@@shirox11 and as someone who has played both, wow since burning crusade and 14 since 1.0 beta I find boss fights in 14 way more exciting and fun Wow is fun too but the battles seem way more boring a lot of the time imo
Mike should react to the alliance raid boss where u have to do mathematics and everyone have their maths to solve and if u get it wrong in the end , u are instantly die.
@@RockR277 Third boss in Ridorana Lighthouse, boss is called Construct 7. There's a TH-cam video called Construct 7 that pops up when you search FFXIV Math boss, and around 2:14 in the video the math mechanic starts if anyone is interested.
@@RockR277 Incorrect answer doesn't kill you, that's right. But if you get wrong answer twice, you do get a debuff kinda and the aoe after math probably kills you unless you have shields for it (and might depend on job you are on, like tanks got more health)
Have been dipping in and out of ff14 since its launch never gelled with me, but once you get over the 'culture shock' of it being so different or rather doing the same thing differently. Its a blast and I haven't even got to the expansion content yet and thats when people say the fun begins. Warcraft feels like a bad relationship i didn't know I was in. I'll be back for next xpac i guess hoping in futility that it changes
I think a lot of people approach this game with a mentality of "but WoW does it this way and that is how I like it" and get stuck on that. Or they see the character design and immidiately dismiss it for a number of reasons. Some reasons I get, in other cases I am like "bro, get over it. You're being silly." It is indeed a case of just looking past the design and subverting expectations.
People experiencing culture shock with things like FF14 is always strange to me, but I guess a lot of WoW players just... play WoW and not really anything else. Growing up playing all sorts of video games, I actually can't even imagine what people mean by culture shock. Like I see some people really dislike FFXIV's UI and I just don't get it. Not "don't get it" as in I think they're wrong, but like... to me, it's just a functional, simple UI. Whereas I've always found WoW's default UI terribly cumbersome, especially for healers. And when once you're finished modding it it looks completely ridiculous. I've always found the "here's my cube of abilities in the center of the screen and they're all 10 times the size of my other abilities" thing a lot of WoW raiders do to look absolutely terrible, as when I raid in WoW I like keeping everything neat and uniform. I dunno, just the different ways different people approach games I suppose.
In one of the first raids I knew I was playing Final Fantasy when the raid stood there doing nothing while the big bad monologued for 5 minutes, slowly climbed into his giant mech and cast a spell that destroyed half the world. I was enjoying it until every time you beat a bad guy you let them run away only for them to come back stronger and fight you again in the next area. Or joining forces with the dude who 5 minutes ago tried to blow up the whole world as if he won't just stab you in the back to steal the magic crystal and try to destroy the world again. The Alexander quest was great, except for the part where you let the boss walk into your base, deliver his monologue and then slowly walk away without even trying to stop him. Then everyone goes back to discussing how they just need to kill the boss to end the whole thing.
@@cecilofs "The first raid" you are referring to as actually just a dungeon, sounds like you are describing Praetorium, notorious for its incredulous monologues and cutscenes to the point that they had to make them a separate duty finder.
"Imagine using add-ons. Ruins the whole experience!" THANK YOU! I've been playing FFXIV since 1.0, doing every hard content while relevant and still have yet to use them myself. I love figuring stuff out like you do, and reacting accordingly. It's part of the fun! However, this video is from a world first group, and they themselves were largely the ones to figure out everything themselves, and make their own TTS commands to inform them what to do. They never had these things available to them until they themselves figured it out.
Spell effects of other players can be turned off (or set to limited). The UI in game has customization options. Cast bars will be in different places on the screen depending on where the player wants them. Spellbars can be hidden completely, all the spell damage numbers can be hidden, as well as most else you don't want to look at. It is possible to play with very minimal on-screen clutter if that is the player's preference and this is all possible without add-ons, just with the normal UI. I do find some of the boss-effects over flashy however as I am prone to migraines.
the most unfortunate thing about these two uploads is the first one you had a person who doesnt know that much about ff14, and this one you had a person who didn't really explain everything really well. the whole time im just like "nooooo we missed like 3 mechanics off screen here and no one is talking about it!" lol
Yeah it is kind of unfortunate, Ultimate fights are basically impossible to decipher from visuals alone on a successful run. It'd be interesting to repeat that with someone that actually knows his stuff. I think Sfia'd be up for it probably, I remember him hanging out with Limit Max when he tried FFXIV for a bit.
Yeah I certainly didn't do an amazing job at explaining, it wasn't planned or anything, so I just tried to go off of what I remembered, and it was more a way to sit down and talk with a friend about a game I'm really interested in. I'd 100% love to show other fights to him, with some preparation done on my end beforehand.
@@vappie Oh don't get me wrong, I definitely enjoyed your contribution on discord. I would likely enjoy a redo with more preparation even more, but this was already good and a step up from the other two Mike has done (Titania with Nubs, TEA solo) so it's already impressive that it was done on the fly. That said, I was more considering it from Mike's perspective, where he doesn't know what he's missing in the footage. For example in p1, with the puddle baits into shared fireball where you have to bait the puddle near the boss to be close enough for the share at the end. Ultimate fights tend to be very subtle in the way mechanics interact, and as a result it's easy to think that a phase is easier/simpler than it is unless you already have indepth knowledge about it. Like, watching Brute+Cruise in TEA feels a lot smoother than it is in practice once you actually have to do the mechanics and formulate a plan for how to solve them all at the same time.
@@johnyjack9486 Yeah absolutely, it definitely looks a lot easier when the mechanics are done correctly, since you only notice them if they go wrong. Maybe something along the lines of Early/Late Savage bosses are a better place to start at, most Extremes are a bit too easy to pick apart, and you kinda lose the nuance that Ultimates have when you show a kill pov with all mechanics performed correctly.
As someone that cleared heroic and some early to mid level mythic bosses in WoW for years the big thing that got me into raiding in FFXIV instead is all the trial and raid bosses feel really epic and important with their own boss music and visuals (even if the visuals can get a bit bright but turning combat animations for other players to limited or off mostly fixes that).
Opposite for me... Since every hard endgame fight in FF is just "fanfiction". Ultimate isnt real in lore, same as savage and extreme. makes it feel much less important or epic
It's really interesting watching you analyze the mechanics from the POV of a wow player. Ffxiv has definitely doubled down on dance fights, though I would like to see them reincorporate some other mechanics in now that they've got the dance part so well mastered.
Thing about Fate Projection/Calibration is that, unless you get Enigma Codex buff from previous phase (Heart mechanic), you cannot see anything that happen during Fate Calibration which mean you would have 0 idea of what boss will do. Part of the "world first" race is to figure all this out when no one else have any idea. As For Temporal Prison enrage, if no one stand and get hit by cage, it's wipe. And after everyone's cage, it's just everyone get time stop, forever.
Found this in my recommended and was pleasantly surprised! Thanks for at least looking the game over and figuring out the fights- it was very fun to see an outside perspective.
This was really entertaining to watch, I hope there will be more of these. Actually, I'd love to see him trying FF content, like, get him a story skip, let him learn the job he prefers, then head into high end content to try it out. p.s. as someone who played WoW and is an FF addict, I'm loving the encounter of wow streamers and FF. It is pure joy to see players from both games trying to find a common language attempting to understand each other.
@@AdrasAdraki Ah yeah, I meant Data centers, not servers. But it will be interesting to see clear rate going forward when data center cross play releases. It might give people more opportunities to get started with Ultimates, however I do think that it will remain mostly the same, as rates still look at individual players' residence DC and I don't see that changing.
This isn't true for Paladin. Gunbreaker sets their HP at 1, Dark Knight will stay at 1 if hit by a fatal attack, but will die if not healed up to however much it's max HP it has, and Warrior can't fall below 1HP
On the debate which is more fun, in my opinion learning the fights are more fun in FFXIV, but re-clears are historically better in WoW and that comes down to the fact that FFXIV fights are "dance" fights, the difficulty comes exactly from learning the fights, but when you can do them consistently FFXIV fights are less interesting.
The DBM voice is not supported by the game and come from a third party program. Such programs (all third party programs, including visual mods) are officially bannable offence if caught. SquareEnix have mostly a politic of live and let live regarding the use of said programs if the impact is not too much, but if you use those to harrass another player for exemple (by saying "dps too low" for exemple), they can and will ban you. That being said, every fight is doable without those third parties.
I mean, that is what happens when you go almost 8 months into the release patch with no date for the first content patch. Some people have been done with the current SLs content for more then half a year.
People just want to play the game that WoW Shadowlands ripped off. Wait till they go to Lakeland and realize its the same color scheme as Bastion. Or try the towers and realize where WoW stole the idea from
@@xychogaming Oh, come on. FFXIV is at its core a WoW clone. Same exact gameplay mechanics. And Bastion is based on Elysium from Greek mythology. FF and WoW are both inspired by mythology, classic fantasy, etc.
I love that he went in alone to try and work out the fight with probably the most complicated mechanics in the game lol. I'm shook, hats off to you sir.
1:22 Thats Fire IV spell blackmage is casting. It can get little in the way sometimes and make hard to see boss which can be annoying for you. Other players see simplified version or nothing at all, depends on settings. 3:30 Thats blackmage bar(each class has own version), showing his buff and status. I preffer simplified version, but he uses full.
Easy to recognise if its buff or debuff, buff icon is facing upwards, debuff icon is facing downwards. And debuffs are "usually" in some shade of red/orange.
You you are able to turn off the floating text so you can't see the damage numbers. Also it is possible to turn off the other players spell effects so your screen is a lot less cluttered.
Out of all the choices he had, Elezen is the most "WoW Refugee" race. Humans are obvious choice, but WoW is choke-full of Elves of all types. Elezen are elves, just better ones. Much more graceful, less slutty. I'm quite sad that Prech doesn't appreciate, what he calls, "furry races". Au Ra are amazing, Viera are stale (due to limited customization) but nice and Roegadyn are top-tier. Borh females and males. They just look fresh. They are not simply "buff dudes/dudettes", they've got character. And hell, having a Hrotghar in your party is like having a cat-Druid or a bear-Druid. It's a person that's expected to receive pets and hugs, come on now. You're stressing out, killing Gods and Demi-Gods left and right, and here's a perfectly fine groomed proud cat-lion-person looking so huggable! Warriors of Light and Darkness have to relax some time!
@@SPECTR_Eternal I'll be honest I don't like Hrotgars so much nor any of the humanoids with animal ears probably because of over saturation simply But I would totally reccomend basing your choice on the social interactions you'd prefer experiencing if you're not so crazy about your actual appearance I've played as a Roegadyn, Elezen and Lalafel and damn the game experience simply was entirely different each time
@@SPECTR_Eternal Most WoW players are turned off by "furry races" because all bizarre RP that has been associated with WoW since the dawn of the game. Its a stain that will not wash out
This is the hardest version of one of the most mechanically complex sets of bosses that has ever been in FFXIV to date. On top of that, just watching a clear isn't really a great way to figure out the mechanics, you don't see the fail states and so you don't know how they are avoided.
It's cool to see preach doing stuff like this. When I first looked at FF fights before jumping in, they really seemed overwhelming at first, but a good thing that this game does since the start is to not throw everything at you at first. Preach is looking at the most mechanic intensive fight in the game here, and even veterans struggle to understand some mechanics at first, so it's natural to be overwhelming. But after the build-up since ARR we get plenty of experience to understand the different mechanics that the game introduce to a point where normal raids (which have plenty of mechanics already) can be done with the duty finder (random queue). So after going throgh all he expansions, all the effects and different telegraphs seem natural to me already. Some skills are way too flashy for someone's taste (like myself and preach) so we often disable some effects to make the fight cleaner. I personally like to see the animations from my black mage but I disable everything else so I can see the boss better, for instance.
One thing I learned from this video: The Black Mage rotation I figured out myself compares to a good player. I'm happy. There is a lot of UI customization in the game itself. (you can move pretty much every UI element on the screen and change its size, for example, I keep my class UI and bars closer to the middle of the screen, since I have trouble concentrating on different parts of the screen at once or quickly changing my focus... I've seen someone, for meme reasons, make the class specific element take up the entire screen)
Also something not clear in a clear video but a lot of these mechanics aren’t clear on ultimate until you get through. Especially specific mechanics where you have to go out of your way to do things you normally wouldn’t to progress through the fight
So, in terms of which one makes for more fun and interesting fights, at the high level: Source - Was a tank main and DPS off spec in WoW through Legion and the first two tiers of BFA raid progression at the mythic level, also raided in FFXIV Savage content during the first tier of Eden (the raids in Shadowbringers) Firstly, a couple things to understand going into it: FFXIV is cross platform between PC and PS4/5, and so raid encounters have to be designed under the assumption that the players are able to complete the encounter without necessarily being able to communicate with one another via text or speech. Additionally, unlike WoW (which supports addons, and the raid encounters are now actually designed under the assumptions players are using addons like DBM), the game does not support addons. So bear that in mind when comparing the two. The games test different skill sets. FFXIV is more about memorizing highly complex patterns, while WoW has simpler patterns, but throws more things at you that change things up and force you to react to sudden changes in the plan. Now, in terms of which is actually more fun/engaging at the high level? Depends on role. Unfortunately FFXIV doesn't quite have a handle on how to make tank gameplay fun and engaging, and the ease of difficulty of the dungeons (which only have one difficulty level which is roughly equivalent to heroic in WoW), as well as the raid design, make it all that much worse. You see, most non-caster DPS in FFXIV use a combo system that is really cool. But they used that system for tanks as well, which I feel is a poor design choice. Now every other role? I'd give it to FFXIV, although I would say a lot of it comes down to the sheer complexity of your rotations as a DPS and how that plays to the raid design. DPS gameplay is far more engaging in FFXIV than in WoW, and if the raid designs were more about reactive gameplay rather proactive, heavily scripted design, it would actually be too much. Class design would HAVE to be dumbed down by a fair bit if they added more reactive elements to raid encounters in FFXIV. Very few people would be able to manage playing the classes, as complex as they are, while being able to manage reactive elements in the raids. And healer gameplay (at least as an Astrologian, I can't speak on the other two healer classes) is by far more fun and engaging than any healer is in WoW to play.
It's funny because I have always thought that WoW could use more effects, especially for the classes. Pressing a button in WoW feels so unimpactful. Not saying it should be like FF14 but give players the option like they did with glyphs. Let us get better effects, more customizable effects and they can be visible only to the player so that it doesn't effect others as much.
Hilariously enough, wow spell effects were bigger in the past. A perfect example here is incinerate from the warlocks. it used to be a giant plume of fire but now it's a small fire stroke. They lowered the effects over time for a lot of things, probably cause of lag. Some classes stayed intact though like Paladin which is a lightshow all on it's own.
I don't know if anybody has told you but in the options you can turn off other players spell effects so it's not a firework display when you are fighting a boss so you can see what the boss is doing
As a 14 player this is alot of fun to watch 😁 I understand that the game isn't your thing but it's really cool how u try to figure out what's going on in these fights 😄
After starting ff14 and farming the the very first raid for the event tokens I immediately started searching where I can reduce the visual clutter - disabled the party/other abilities to the minimum and also disabled the dmg text from party members etc. completely. So much cleaner and less visual clutter. Did watch some videos and am kinda amazed that that this is not done by so many raiders especially the ones doing the harder raids. Is there a reason for that to not disable those things later on?
For WoW players or beginner FF14 players, the limit break bar is shared across all players. The number of bars indicates the level of the LB, not how many times you can use it. Using an LB depletes all three bars for every player. Tank LB is either useless or required depending on if the boss has a massive raidbuster mechanic or not. Healer LB is only useful at level 3, when it provides a mass battle rez. Great as wipe insurance. DPS LB is the go-to if you dont need either of those other two, which is most of the time, outside of savage and ultimate fights.
The guy you're watching do the fight has a breakdown of the strategy they used to do this fight, though the strategies used now are very different. My group got 2nd fastest time for one of the patches if you had any questions though. There's honestly about 1 mechanic every 4 seconds
As far as I'm aware, there ISN'T a DBM for FF14. The closest would have been stuff put together by individual raid teams to automate some stuff (like placing markers) as the fight progressed. But even in those situations, the developers ended up restricting player markers so that you couldn't move them once the fight started if they felt it was being abused. You can look up a boss fight to see if there is a guide. I'll usually look up a text guide to have some idea on the different boss mechanics while I'm waiting in the queue for a specific dungeon/boss/raid. Unlike DBM, which may display stuff on the screen added in by the addon developers, all of the various stuff on the screen happening during FF14 battles were programmed by the devs. Also, unlike with WoW, game testing for the expansions and patches is handled by an in-house group of QA people at Square-Enix. This means that sometimes there might not be any good guides available for fights, especially if you start playing through a new expansion right when it released (if you pre-ordered the expansion, you actually get "Pre-Order Access" which means you can start playing a few days before the official release).
@@roetheboat1 there actually is a DBM type thing as I recently learned, I think it's called cactbot, basically shows you which mechanics are coming up and telling you what's happening, tho with how fights are designed in ffxiv I'd rather not use that and haven't actually met anyone who does so far(afaik)
@@baklazan777 Most players use ACT, which is a third-party parser. You can add triggers to it for certain events to turn it into a psuedo DBM, but there's no modules as in DBM since SE doesn't officially support modding and won't release their API.
The comment about tank LB3- you could also do the Healer LB3 which is a raid-wide resurrect, heal to full and complete restoration of mana. And finally, the damage LB3s are high-damage hits- either single target (melee), line (ranged physical) or aoe (magical).
Anyone happen to know the name of that first song? Thanks! Also this is pretty fun content! After completing TEA it's neat seeing some outside perspective!
@@DomoKunDom hm, no idea since its pretty hard to find songs with no lyrics, but the spotify account Mike Lamb has all the music preach uses in his streams so maybe check it out and try your luck there
dude, looking at TEA first... I cleared E1S ~ E8S, and some mechanics in TEA are still totally unknown to me (mostly because lots of mechanics are straight from alexander savage, the entire raid tier of Heavensward). It's on another level of precision and performance needed to actually clear it. it's a good showcase of the skill ceiling for ultimate's, tho. you also nailed it when you compared it to a dance. the big challenge of the game is performing your rotation perfectly while adjusting to boss mechanics, and coming from WoW, you end up struggling with the bigger GCD timer, and off-GCD skill usage (something really big on some classes, and somewhat ping reliant). CD's usually sync with certain spots in certain fights, so it all turns into muscle memory at some point, and it's really, REALLY satisfying to get to that point.
This man is gonna do well. Not just because of what he's watching but because of his actions. Questions, compliments, paying attention, respect being paid to the home team. I wish you luck and good fortune when you come to FF
hey mike long time ff14 player here. tried a short stint at returning to wow but just wasn't for me. love your videos still and gotta say i'd love more content like this. i love seeing you puzzle through the mechanics in ff14 bosses even if these fights aren't your cup of tea it's real fun to see your fresh view on them.
The UI can be modified with IMMENSE freedom without an mods, You can change individual hotbar sizes, class resource UI, party list, EVERYTHING can be modified and moved around without any mods. Some people just have wacky as hell UI positions, mainly because once you have your rotation down, you almost never look at your hotbars and such anyways. Sfia has some spell affects turned off but you can reduce it even more in the options. The amount of options available to players to modify the game completely makes up for lack of mod/addon support.
also holy shit this video is awesome xD. never knew who Preach was until recently. Im glad I found him. Dude is amazing! wish i could catch the man on Twitch T_T
@@paulgotik I'd love to see someone whose never done TEA before walk in there blind and do the whole fight correctly first try. They're gonna be dead on the floor at the first mechanic unless party with experience hand holds them and tells them exactly where to go for every mechanic.
@@LevaniaMeyano There's no way someone can explain the mechs at the same time as they are happening to a completly blind person in an ultimate. And if someone explain before hand, well, they are not blind anymore ^^.
@@paulgotik its actually the other way around... Its good design if someone can complete something on first try if they show good enough reflexes or understanding of basic game mechanics, its called "fair". As much as i love the game, even ultimates are basically the same as remembering a poem for school. Its not as much "skill" as it is learning a bunch of content and then repeating it for the exam.
This is one of the hardest difficulty raid in the game. Imagine the first wing of icc plus arthas all together at the same time. Also if u wipe u start from the beginning. Also not everyone can't do this. Is not like mythic in wow. Only top 1-2% can do this.
yeah the visual stimulation kind of gets tuned out at this level of content. you spend more time tracking your rotation and base your actions off of what the boss is doing. on ultimates a regular static practices the fight for about a month before they clear. and by that point it gets muscle memory. also you can turn off a lot of the visuals if it gets crazy
I actually really appreciate Preach coming in and essentially commentating these fights. It makes it easier to digest as someone who has yet to experience this if FFXIV, but has some mythic raiding background in WoW. Visually speaking the games are very disparate in their spell effects and their mechanic indicators, and I've yet to find content creators on TH-cam with the same sort of clear, decisive breakdown as Preach has even just providing commentary on the fly. I'm really hoping that between him and Bellular showing more interest, we can get more crossover from wow content creators to FFXIV -- even if it's just inspiring new creators to jumping in.
There are many mechanics happen at the same time that Mike didn’t see like during phase 2 of TEA, the tanks had to deal with water and thunder debuff then passing. Then DPS need to bait the aoe and tank needed to soak it. Or during phase 3, if you have different numbers, you have to do different things like 3-4 have to bait alex while taking CC damage while 1-2-5-6-7-8 have to take puddle. The thing about FF raid fights are everybody has their own job and mechanic responsibilities and you need to learn how to do it well. The fight is not only how to do mechanic but also how to keep your dps up. You should watch a prog fight cause those are fun to watch.
I can understand him saying the visuals are overwhelming. He's probably been told a million times already that they can be turned off, but his goal is to understand what's happening in the video he's watching, and he obviously can't turn off the effects in the video.
@@sermicha5324 so far of the 3 he's watched 2 have been healers, so visual clarity can be sacrificed quiet a bit from the players perspective, to give a more complete video, not necessarily a more watchable one.
looking back at this reminds me how 14 RWF has changed now, for any add-ons you will get a massive hammer from the GM and the lead director himself. YoshiP knew ultimate RWF is so vital that he probably considered an official RWF
Why hasn't any1 told him yet that spell particle effects can all be super easily lowered in settings. Its very easy (so my brother tells me), to turn the 'flashiness' down if wanted.
I don't think ultimate fights (The Epic of Alexander for instance) are a good case of 'let me watch and try to understand what's happening', a lot of mechanics can simply not be directly understood directly. For example, you can't understand (on your own at least) what Fate calibration and Enigma Codex mechanics do. Last phase of the fight looks way too easy (and this is why Mike starts thinking the same) if you don't know what Fate Calibration is about.
For all the ultimates, the last phase is generally the easiest. Tea being somewhat of an exception. The level 70 ults definitely have a "victory lap" kind of feeling.
@@Henji96 Indeed, last phases are generally easier, but mostly cause they are simply undoable unless you did a certain mechanic in the first phases (enigma codex in tea, and awoken in uwu). Last phases are 'hard' for proggers but not for usual raiders.
I did a lot of raiding during BC and Wrath, and a lot of the mechanics tended to revolve around standing together and certain mechanics just get grabbed and dragged away. Some fights need something a little more intricate but there’s not a lot of movement heavy combat.
It depends on how you define "dance," really. Preach seemed to define it as the concept of character position being the most important factor in resolving a mechanic, and really that isn't far off. Every stack, spread, go X, move to Z, stay at Y sequence is a dance. There are honestly an overwhelming amount of mechanics in 14 which check your position in one way or another, so while not every fight is a "dance," every fight has elements of the dance. Something that isn't a dance would be Ghuun bombs, for example, because while you need to make it from point A to point B, you don't need to stop at points C, D and E in a very specific sequence before you get there.
Kaelthas in BC I think is a good example. There were various "jobs" people of different roles had to accomplish for the raid not to wipe throughout all 4 phases of the fight.
dance fight is because everyone is moving. WoW due to a lot bigger raids has a lot of "target x players" mechanics. Also got mechanics like "quickly heal/dps add or straight up super varied things like Ghuun bombs, Black furnace furnace mechanics and so on.
One other thing Preach, most mechanics in FFXIV yeah, are relatively simple. But for example the Nisi + other things in BJCC phase of Alexander or some other mechanics are a bit more involved in thought and execution.
the one thing i do when i play ffxiv is turn down other people spell effects that way i can always see the boss and not have as much clutter as people call it. Just a tip for people looking to play ffxiv you can turn down or off your and other peoples spell effects
The explanations from the person who did the fight is skipping over 80% mechanics that are happening. Probably meant to not overwhelm Mike. But watch a guide on a bit of the fights to see how complex they really are please because you're missing half the fun.
Yeah, I didn't really know how deep I wanted to go into them, nor had I seen the video that he released with Nupss (as this was prior to that, had I seen it before then I would've tried to have it in the same style of letting Mike guess on everything first), I would've loved to explain every little detail on Nael for example, but I felt like it would drag on for too long, I also feel like there's also a lot lost when the mechanics are performed correctly, as it looks like nothing has really happened. Watching a guide or people progging the fight is definitely a better way if you want to understand fights like UCOB, maybe it would've been better with something easier, i.e. a savage fight instead.
@@vappie I agree, the best way to learn the fights is by doing them and having the respect for those mechanics beaten into you a few times lol (or maybe more than a few times...)
Neat video so far Preach! Again just to help you out, yeah you can always turn off most effects because I know it really can be overwhelming (I keep them on but that's me). But in terms of dance fights, that's just how FF works. There's certainly optimization and challenge in min-maxing one's rotation but that's where the challenge comes in - can you do the dance / mechanics of the fight while also being optimal? But that's also to an extent, WoW, too.
I can at least appreciate that, unlike a LOT of Warcraft streamers, he's actually trying to understand the game and what it's about without shitting all over it because of a trailer. At least I think he'd understand how a fountain works.
And not going around calling it weeb crap and thinking he's better than FF14 players because he plays WoW. Imagine being a nerd calling other people nerds.
@@ozmintheobserver I dont think you understand sodapoppins satire 😂 but to each their own
@@whoknozwhat I can assure you he was 100% serious about the fountain, he even apologised over it. Also soda didn't know how to boil water until like, last year.
@@drago1uk2000 oh yeah but you realise 90% of his content is saying shit just to trigger people lol it's literally his thing whether its serious or not. Its literally what hes done for years. The fountain wouldnt be the first unfavorable thing hes said. 🤦♂️ Also if people are really bent over a fountain from a game some random sperg on the internet not knowing how they work is silly 😂
@@ozmintheobserver people used to say wow looks like a kids cartoon. Just dumb takes from misinformed people.
Oh poor soul. Turning off the game’s music? Dude! This is an album that came with a game. The music is that epic.
Just like Guilty Gear series!
Some things to point out to all of those WoW players that are just interested in this.
Unlike WoW, FFXIV doesnt have a public test realm or anything like it, they dont test the boss publicly and the normal raids are released at the same time than the savage raids (savage would be akin to heroic/mythic) so all of those WF players are generally going to those fights entirely blind, sometimes you can find some points of comparision like "oh, this boss is related to another boss from a previous raid so they could have similar mechanics" and it does happen but for the most part, they do have entirely new and unique mechanics.
Now, Ultimates (which are the raids being shown here) are kinda different to this, Ultimates are a retell of previous raids, for example The Epic of Alexander is a retell of the Alexander raids released on Heavensward where they picked a couple of the most important bosses from that raid and put them in a gauntlet, so while they did obviously reuse some of the mechanics from the original fights, they were changed and augmented to a ridiculous degree, so while a lot of wf raid groups went to re do the original Alexander raids just to prepare for TEA, a lot of it was entirely new.
On that topic its also worth bringing up the DBM, because everyone is going in blind at the same time, DBM has to be very vaguely set up by the players themselves while progging, yea some updates do come out that will just give the actual information to everyone without having to set it up yourself but thats after many people have actually cleared and the fight is thoroughly broke down, for WF this is not the case, they all set it up as they go just so they dont suffer as much (also worth pointing out that specifically this group that got the WF on TEA set up the DBM beforehand in case the bosses did abilities from their original fights but thats about it).
Good points. Blizz gets so much free labor from their players.
Cactbot just read log entries, and players input the verbal command to be issued over comms, I believe.
FFXIV has dBm?? I've been playing for 6 years and had no idea
@@broccairns5457 it dos but its against the tos lol
@@broccairns5457 yeah, it's Cactbot, a plugin you can install through ACT (the combat parser tool) but like has been mentioned already, it's technically against TOS though I believe you're unlikely to be banned if you're using it privately
I LOVE how you went from the entry fight of the expansion, when the training wheels are still on, WITH a person to guide you on what's going on, to literally the most nail bitingly infuriating fight in the entire game.
"Shit easy, the fights shit easy now!" lol'd
@@Saber9933 I mean he's talking about PA so he's kinda right. If you get that far the fight is so easy after that point.
@@brikaro1 I mean he was commenting that cacbot was making it too easy, but otherwise yeah
@@Saber9933 Oh true I didn't catch that's what he meant. But yeah cactbot is unnecessary for this fight. All of the mechs are really telegraphed, especially in PA. I had someone in my static that was using it but stopped around when we got past p3 because it wasn't helping him at all lol.
I would argue Ucob is still more frustrating than TEA.
"I need some epic music" How about the actual fight music?
Not a WoW thing, they don't have nearly as good accompanying fight music. That's why a lot of WoW players are so used to listening to their own things, muting the BGM and playing the game that way.
WoW players need a "SONIC BOOM! while Alexander nuking them" moment
Moebius is one of the best pieces in the game, change my mind
Dude had sound off for Titania. I mean that’s an actual crime right there.
@@blackyvertigo that is the only boss where turning the music off imoroves the experience
Every time Mike asks about mana, whoever he's talking to fails to mention the innervate like ability that each healer gets, "Lucid Dreaming."
Man, I was screaming this every time.
That and healers still meld piety.
@@luxiuscaligore no they don’t lol
@@crunkulouss I've seen a bunch of healers still melding piety in Eulmore. I'm not one of them and never have been because I liked dps whm even though not having piety way back when was looked down upon, before mana was harder to manage before the mp transition. I just hated having to remeld piety for end game content back then so I've had some real butt clench low mana moments.
@@crunkulouss ehhh
"A building appeared"
Insert Nier Raid part 3
And get yeeted
Am I an evil healer if I rescue somebody into the building ? :D
@@Deranox idk how much you know about BLU but... all I gotta say is... "Malediction of Water"
Don't feel bad about not figuring out everything Mike. The epic of Alexander is one of the three hardest fights currently in the game.
I've played ffxiv since ARR's launch and I still don't understand this fight!
I have cleared EX and Savage content and the Ults are still a puzzle
@@maxspecs that seems concerning almost as if the fight doesnt have proper mechanics or you havent tried. Theres no way uve played that long and activley tried, if thats the case i hope you are bad otherwise thats horrible design.
@@Odyssey636 I have yet to try it, honestly. Most extreme trials are actually pretty reasonable once you put in the work and muscle memory, it’s just a matter of learning where to be and what to do alongside 7 other people and if anyone messes up once, it throws everything else off and usually leads to a wipe.
So just do a 15 minute DDR song. While also playing your class rotations well enough that your damage is faster than the boss’s enrage timer.
@@Odyssey636 That's very smug. Mechanics in difficult content are literally puzzles in 14, they're harder to figure out than to execute. Solving how they work is 90% of the race for world first difficulty. If you think you can figure out how they work at a glance that's a disparagement on whatever shlock you play, not on this fight.
1:17:35 It's true, wow actually has more furry races than FFXIV. You only really have Hrothgar in FFXIV.
Depends on your definition of furry. There is also the miqote and Viera.
@@WolfmanXD Even then WoW still has more. Worgen, Panda, Tauren/Highmountain Tauren, Vulpera. And those are fullbody not just bunny/cat ears or tail.
@@WolfmanXD Pretty much what Spookyturbo said. The races in FFXIV are 99% human looking. I never really looked at that as furry, because they are simply not. They are skin and bones just like humans, and they look pretty much exactly like humans.
@@Spika94 yeah in FFXIV it's more like humans in various heights in cosplay vs in WoW the majority of the races are full throttle furry town lol
@@WolfmanXD Furries wear full body suits, they don't just wear fake ears.
The characters in FFXIV just aren't what furries are into at all, you never see furries with art of humans with animal ears either it's always those cartoon full on animals.
Basically what that last entire phase on the mega robot is about, is that it shows you what it is doing first / how he is going to kill you, and you essentially change the future by handling the mechanic appropriately, that's the entire premise of Alexander, the God of Time
Important detail: killing the heart prevents you from getting the Enigma Codex buff, which lets you see that entire mechanic. In fact, there was a group that was 'too consistent' on the prime phase and blew up that heart every time for multiple runs and it cost them the world first clear.
@@GrimoireM Of course the troll cat comes back to troll the World Record race one last time.
@@maxspecs That troll cat IS Alexander.
@@GrimoireM made me giggle when mike said "mechanics are actually very straightforward" while the true heart was infamous for being a bullshit puzzle that made the world first race an RNG check on who stumbles upon it first.
12:35 or so, in regards to the UI, you have a screen where you can freely drag around and resize UI elements, so it's just whatever you want to be rather than any mods, you could make your own debuff bar a lot bigger if you wanted to
So when you're actually playing this (Alexander) fight, you would have had to have done a series of bosses leading up to it (each in their own instance, you don't have to fight them all in a row in one run, thankfully) which would have introduced and familiarized you wish some of the unique, non-universal mechanics that then all come together in this fight. It's really neat how they almost serve as "final exams" for everything in the raid line that came before.
Technically the only fight you need to clear before TEA is E4S. You can do E4S without doing 1-3.
@@scoobiusmaximus9508 not when it was first released. They remove the requirement in the weeks leading up to the next savage tier
@@JJStylies The only requirement ever to do do TEA was clearing E4S. You didn't even need to clear E1-3S if you got jumped up. What other requirement are you claiming existed?
@@scoobiusmaximus9508 to do e4s you would've had to clear every other savage fight before it since on content you have to clear savage fights in order, unless you get one person to clear them all and skip you forward
It wasn't literally a change to the TEA requirements, I said it in a confusing way
@@scoobiusmaximus9508 he meant as in you will see LL, cruise chaser etc in their own instance way before you get access to TEA... Ultimates in lore are fanfiction written about certain storylines to bring the bosses into 1 fight.
No other MMO makes Raid Bosses feel as cinematically amazing as FF does at the least.
damn this fights feel weird without the insane music
As sick as the TEA tracks are its better off like this or he could have gotten a dmca strike because these tracks arent dmca friendly for some reason
@@RandomGuyCDN Usually the soundtracks for FFXIV are fine, if you have gameplay footage being shown while it's played.
That's why all of the videos on TH-cam that play the soundtrack, are overlayed over footage of the boss in question.
Dragoon died at Bahamut fight so everything is going according to plan
:(
Floor tank?
@@fallengabe Always has been
@@satsu2667 Red Mages are fighting the Dragoons for "best back jumper" position though.
Even though it's way easier content, I'd love to see this for The Tower at Paradigm's Breach, mostly just for Mike's reaction on Square Enix HQ being a raid mechanic.
those mechanics are just Yoko Taro wanting you to suffer for his commute to work every single day, from his time on the train to showing up at the square enix building.
"why do you allow lalafels in the raid?" you need a sacrifice for RNGesus
From what I recall, Lalafells are the race with the highest percentage of high end content clearers
Because my Miqo'te gets hungry mid-raid
And my Roegadyn is too big to dodge those aoes.
My group doesn’t sacrifice the lalas we sacrifice the single Au Ra.
How could you do this to us children?
It took me three tiers and this video to realize just how many of these mechanics do nothing when resolved properly. I wonder if it would be easier to get a sense of what's going on by watching prog vids and seeing how players get smeared across the arena when they make a mistake. Nisi in particular turns the second phase of TEA into a choreographed ballet where one misstep is a wipe, but when done correctly it looks like nothing is going on.
That’s the point of a mechanic in any game...? You do it right and you live lmao I don’t know what you expect?
Right, I've seen a lot of people thinking this content is simply melting the boss which I could understand looks like that if you don't see the consequences of messing up the mechanics
And for dudes like him who don't like dancy fights maybe that would nice to really just get a feel for it
@@anko3562 I mean some mechanics are forgiving where you can recover from a mistake but some fight are just not forgiving right, I guess that's what's pointed out
You wouldn't see the difference between a forgiving fight and an unforgiving one if you see what it does when you mess up which could make a hard fight and an easy fight look very similar for someone who doesn't actually consume the content
I love the e8s.exe video. Lights rampant makes people's eyes and souls hurt
@@anko3562 Not really. In WoW even if you do mechanics correctly damage and such still happens. A perfect example here is Council on mythic where 5-6 players get a debuff and they need to jump 3 times or they die. Sounds simple enough right? Except when you jump you do raid wide damage. So even if you do the mechanic perfectly, you still got a huge amount of raid damage. From what i can see here in FFXIV if you do the mechanic right nothing actually happens.
Saying playing a catgirl makes you want your wife to act like a cat would be the same as me saying since you have an undead character you like to errrr "have sexy fun time" with dead bodies, it isn't really a fair thing to say lol
Well... I mean..
Yeah agreed. It’s just a cute variation on a human to put it simply. Preach brought up it has a weird connotation tied to it, but I can guarantee most fans don’t think about that sort of thing much if at all. It’s not like we’re out here trying to shag actual cats. It’s so difficult to explain things like this to non-anime fans or maybe I’m just anime trash and too far gone lol.
@@ogheros ayo
@@BlastHeart96 no their literally just nitpicking to hate wow has way worse then ff 14 you literally have walking cow women blue goat woman wolf women panda women dead women and a actual furry which are that new race the horde has vulpera or something literally ff14 has three characters that happen to have non human ears which are by far not even close to being a furry if anything wow characters are extremely close to being furry
The irony of WoW veterans who play as purple elf girls in fur bikinis ranting about sexy catgirls.
This is such an interesting format. I really want to see this kind of analysis put to like Omega 12 savage or Eden 8 or 12 savage
personally i'd like him to watch some of the really weird bosses, not necessarily the hard ones, but the weird ones like p1t6, jade stoa, pool of tribute, or cinder drift. unique fights that are just... out there.
I love how excited and amused he is trying to piece this together. We'd love to have you, Mike!
"Alright you need to calm down"
Bruh they are on World's First pace (which they did get first place) with the boss in a DPS check phase at >5% health. Of course they are gonna get excited
That cage mechanic is a variant on each Ultimate fight's enrage. The way Ultimate enrages work is that they pick off each member of the raid one by one, usually with an execute spell. Alexander there does it a little different, in that instead of killing the raid members, he completely locks them down so that they can't act at all. If all eight raid members get locked down, it's a wipe.
It’s not a complete wipe IIRC You have a small window where DOTS still can kill
its the most badass enrage in the game in my opinion cuz it aldo stops the music and all, keeps it so well with the theme i love it
@@ZackTheChiller also alexander never even kills the group. The fight just resets like you just re-queued the instance. perfect fit for a time-based boss
@@ich3730Yeah, both of you being trapped in time forever is pretty much the same as defeat. It is the only scenario where the instance intentionally resets without anybody dead. (I say intentionally because many fights enrages force reset the fight even if someone rez cheeses past them.
It has been quite the journey from "this is unacceptable" to the crawlers.
This time Mike is actually watching the best players in the world. Nice 👍🏼 I also appreciate Mike for the fact that his reasoning for not really trying xiv is a legitimate one (not really being a fan of dance fights, which are by far the most common in xiv) instead of the typical, the game is shit, i am not trying it. Not every big Warcraft tuber needs to suddenly start playing xiv. They both have there positives and negatives. It’s just unfortunate that WoW has had alot of negatives lately.
can you explain the term 'dance fight' to me? i have a feeling i know what it means..
@@myrkrormr 99% of FF14 mechanics are about positioning - standing in the right place at the right time and moving to dodge telegraphed attacks. The highest difficulty fights in FF14 tend to play out more like tightly coreographed 8-man dances because of this, since positioning requirements become extremely strict.
@@GilliamYaeger i see nothing wrong with that. even if you memorize it there is always room for failure.
and WoW is the same to an extent. the only difference is, as far as i can remember, WoW bosses dont have AOE indicators for a lot of their attacks.
seems like a silly reason to not wanna try the game IMO
@@myrkrormr some bosses in WoW can be alot more vague, and mechanics tend to be more randomized, but that is because of mods. The WoW developers know that players use mods like dbm and weak auras ect ect so they design fights with that fact in mind. Those mods are not allowed in xiv so no such consideration is taken. Hence wow fights tend to be more of a puzzle where as xiv fights are more of a tightly choreographed dance. I guess I should also add that 14 fights are alot more movement based.
@@shirox11 and as someone who has played both, wow since burning crusade and 14 since 1.0 beta
I find boss fights in 14 way more exciting and fun
Wow is fun too but the battles seem way more boring a lot of the time imo
Can't believe it's only been 2 years!
Mike should react to the alliance raid boss where u have to do mathematics and everyone have their maths to solve and if u get it wrong in the end , u are instantly die.
Which one is that? Only math alliance boss I remember gives you a stacking vuln up for failing.
SORRY YOU HAVE TO FUCKING WHAT?!?"
@@RockR277 Third boss in Ridorana Lighthouse, boss is called Construct 7.
There's a TH-cam video called Construct 7 that pops up when you search FFXIV Math boss, and around 2:14 in the video the math mechanic starts if anyone is interested.
@@tulkaspunch1494 That's what I thought. It doesn't kill you.
@@RockR277 Incorrect answer doesn't kill you, that's right. But if you get wrong answer twice, you do get a debuff kinda and the aoe after math probably kills you unless you have shields for it (and might depend on job you are on, like tanks got more health)
Have been dipping in and out of ff14 since its launch never gelled with me, but once you get over the 'culture shock' of it being so different or rather doing the same thing differently. Its a blast and I haven't even got to the expansion content yet and thats when people say the fun begins. Warcraft feels like a bad relationship i didn't know I was in. I'll be back for next xpac i guess hoping in futility that it changes
I think a lot of people approach this game with a mentality of "but WoW does it this way and that is how I like it" and get stuck on that. Or they see the character design and immidiately dismiss it for a number of reasons. Some reasons I get, in other cases I am like "bro, get over it. You're being silly." It is indeed a case of just looking past the design and subverting expectations.
People experiencing culture shock with things like FF14 is always strange to me, but I guess a lot of WoW players just... play WoW and not really anything else. Growing up playing all sorts of video games, I actually can't even imagine what people mean by culture shock. Like I see some people really dislike FFXIV's UI and I just don't get it. Not "don't get it" as in I think they're wrong, but like... to me, it's just a functional, simple UI. Whereas I've always found WoW's default UI terribly cumbersome, especially for healers. And when once you're finished modding it it looks completely ridiculous. I've always found the "here's my cube of abilities in the center of the screen and they're all 10 times the size of my other abilities" thing a lot of WoW raiders do to look absolutely terrible, as when I raid in WoW I like keeping everything neat and uniform.
I dunno, just the different ways different people approach games I suppose.
In one of the first raids I knew I was playing Final Fantasy when the raid stood there doing nothing while the big bad monologued for 5 minutes, slowly climbed into his giant mech and cast a spell that destroyed half the world.
I was enjoying it until every time you beat a bad guy you let them run away only for them to come back stronger and fight you again in the next area. Or joining forces with the dude who 5 minutes ago tried to blow up the whole world as if he won't just stab you in the back to steal the magic crystal and try to destroy the world again.
The Alexander quest was great, except for the part where you let the boss walk into your base, deliver his monologue and then slowly walk away without even trying to stop him. Then everyone goes back to discussing how they just need to kill the boss to end the whole thing.
@@cecilofs "The first raid" you are referring to as actually just a dungeon, sounds like you are describing Praetorium, notorious for its incredulous monologues and cutscenes to the point that they had to make them a separate duty finder.
> I'll be back for next xpac i guess hoping in futility that it changes
How many expansions have you been saying that for now? xD
"Imagine using add-ons. Ruins the whole experience!" THANK YOU! I've been playing FFXIV since 1.0, doing every hard content while relevant and still have yet to use them myself. I love figuring stuff out like you do, and reacting accordingly. It's part of the fun! However, this video is from a world first group, and they themselves were largely the ones to figure out everything themselves, and make their own TTS commands to inform them what to do. They never had these things available to them until they themselves figured it out.
Spell effects of other players can be turned off (or set to limited). The UI in game has customization options. Cast bars will be in different places on the screen depending on where the player wants them. Spellbars can be hidden completely, all the spell damage numbers can be hidden, as well as most else you don't want to look at. It is possible to play with very minimal on-screen clutter if that is the player's preference and this is all possible without add-ons, just with the normal UI. I do find some of the boss-effects over flashy however as I am prone to migraines.
Preach trying to figure out Nisi Pepelaugh
the most unfortunate thing about these two uploads is the first one you had a person who doesnt know that much about ff14, and this one you had a person who didn't really explain everything really well. the whole time im just like "nooooo we missed like 3 mechanics off screen here and no one is talking about it!" lol
Yeah it is kind of unfortunate, Ultimate fights are basically impossible to decipher from visuals alone on a successful run. It'd be interesting to repeat that with someone that actually knows his stuff. I think Sfia'd be up for it probably, I remember him hanging out with Limit Max when he tried FFXIV for a bit.
Yeah I certainly didn't do an amazing job at explaining, it wasn't planned or anything, so I just tried to go off of what I remembered, and it was more a way to sit down and talk with a friend about a game I'm really interested in. I'd 100% love to show other fights to him, with some preparation done on my end beforehand.
@@vappie Oh don't get me wrong, I definitely enjoyed your contribution on discord. I would likely enjoy a redo with more preparation even more, but this was already good and a step up from the other two Mike has done (Titania with Nubs, TEA solo) so it's already impressive that it was done on the fly. That said, I was more considering it from Mike's perspective, where he doesn't know what he's missing in the footage. For example in p1, with the puddle baits into shared fireball where you have to bait the puddle near the boss to be close enough for the share at the end.
Ultimate fights tend to be very subtle in the way mechanics interact, and as a result it's easy to think that a phase is easier/simpler than it is unless you already have indepth knowledge about it. Like, watching Brute+Cruise in TEA feels a lot smoother than it is in practice once you actually have to do the mechanics and formulate a plan for how to solve them all at the same time.
@@johnyjack9486 Yeah absolutely, it definitely looks a lot easier when the mechanics are done correctly, since you only notice them if they go wrong. Maybe something along the lines of Early/Late Savage bosses are a better place to start at, most Extremes are a bit too easy to pick apart, and you kinda lose the nuance that Ultimates have when you show a kill pov with all mechanics performed correctly.
@@vappie My personal suggestion would be Halicarnassus (o3s).
As someone that cleared heroic and some early to mid level mythic bosses in WoW for years the big thing that got me into raiding in FFXIV instead is all the trial and raid bosses feel really epic and important with their own boss music and visuals (even if the visuals can get a bit bright but turning combat animations for other players to limited or off mostly fixes that).
Opposite for me... Since every hard endgame fight in FF is just "fanfiction". Ultimate isnt real in lore, same as savage and extreme. makes it feel much less important or epic
Coming back to watch this is a fun ride.
It's really interesting watching you analyze the mechanics from the POV of a wow player. Ffxiv has definitely doubled down on dance fights, though I would like to see them reincorporate some other mechanics in now that they've got the dance part so well mastered.
Thing about Fate Projection/Calibration is that, unless you get Enigma Codex buff from previous phase (Heart mechanic), you cannot see anything that happen during Fate Calibration which mean you would have 0 idea of what boss will do. Part of the "world first" race is to figure all this out when no one else have any idea.
As For Temporal Prison enrage, if no one stand and get hit by cage, it's wipe. And after everyone's cage, it's just everyone get time stop, forever.
Found this in my recommended and was pleasantly surprised! Thanks for at least looking the game over and figuring out the fights- it was very fun to see an outside perspective.
This was really entertaining to watch, I hope there will be more of these. Actually, I'd love to see him trying FF content, like, get him a story skip, let him learn the job he prefers, then head into high end content to try it out.
p.s. as someone who played WoW and is an FF addict, I'm loving the encounter of wow streamers and FF. It is pure joy to see players from both games trying to find a common language attempting to understand each other.
95% of player base will never attempt this fight. This is one if not the hardest fight in the entire game
arent the ultimates done by like 15% of the playerbase?
@@AdrasAdraki Depends which server. Most EU and NA DC's have a ~5% clear rate or so last time I checked
7.5% of endgame playes have cleared UCoB, with 8-10% having cleared UWU/TEA.
@@ShrympyRS with server crossplay and data center cross play soon to come isnt server based clears kinda needless?
@@AdrasAdraki Ah yeah, I meant Data centers, not servers. But it will be interesting to see clear rate going forward when data center cross play releases. It might give people more opportunities to get started with Ultimates, however I do think that it will remain mostly the same, as rates still look at individual players' residence DC and I don't see that changing.
Preaxh, when the tanks go down fast, its their huge cooldown. They go to 1 HP but become invincible for a bit
I was gonna say only 1 has that but technically only the paladin’s huge cooldown doesn’t usually result in them being left with 1 hp
This isn't true for Paladin. Gunbreaker sets their HP at 1, Dark Knight will stay at 1 if hit by a fatal attack, but will die if not healed up to however much it's max HP it has, and Warrior can't fall below 1HP
Listen to the in game music of this fight! It's part of the excitement!
On the debate which is more fun, in my opinion learning the fights are more fun in FFXIV, but re-clears are historically better in WoW and that comes down to the fact that FFXIV fights are "dance" fights, the difficulty comes exactly from learning the fights, but when you can do them consistently FFXIV fights are less interesting.
The DBM voice is not supported by the game and come from a third party program.
Such programs (all third party programs, including visual mods) are officially bannable offence if caught.
SquareEnix have mostly a politic of live and let live regarding the use of said programs if the impact is not too much, but if you use those to harrass another player for exemple (by saying "dps too low" for exemple), they can and will ban you.
That being said, every fight is doable without those third parties.
^This. I beleive that once they posted this video they got banned and the Clear removed from them due to breaching TOS for using 3rd party Boss Mod.
@@EverianKalim It did not lol. Yoshida watched this clear LIVE ON STREAM xD
Every WoW Channel seems to be covering FFXIV these days... probably the best evidence of how bad Shadowlands is.
I was thinking the same lol
People just realize FFXIV is just that strong of a rival...
I mean, that is what happens when you go almost 8 months into the release patch with no date for the first content patch. Some people have been done with the current SLs content for more then half a year.
People just want to play the game that WoW Shadowlands ripped off. Wait till they go to Lakeland and realize its the same color scheme as Bastion. Or try the towers and realize where WoW stole the idea from
@@xychogaming Oh, come on. FFXIV is at its core a WoW clone. Same exact gameplay mechanics. And Bastion is based on Elysium from Greek mythology. FF and WoW are both inspired by mythology, classic fantasy, etc.
I love that he went in alone to try and work out the fight with probably the most complicated mechanics in the game lol. I'm shook, hats off to you sir.
"RAGING MANIAC" Yeah... thats Brute Justice
SPIN TO WIN
1:22 Thats Fire IV spell blackmage is casting. It can get little in the way sometimes and make hard to see boss which can be annoying for you. Other players see simplified version or nothing at all, depends on settings.
3:30 Thats blackmage bar(each class has own version), showing his buff and status. I preffer simplified version, but he uses full.
19:00 I love this description so much. Raidwide damage in 14 is so extra, I love it
I hope you do more of these, they were a lot of fun to watch!
Easy to recognise if its buff or debuff, buff icon is facing upwards, debuff icon is facing downwards. And debuffs are "usually" in some shade of red/orange.
You you are able to turn off the floating text so you can't see the damage numbers. Also it is possible to turn off the other players spell effects so your screen is a lot less cluttered.
"I choose... Elezen."
I see he's a man of culture too...
Out of all the choices he had, Elezen is the most "WoW Refugee" race. Humans are obvious choice, but WoW is choke-full of Elves of all types. Elezen are elves, just better ones. Much more graceful, less slutty.
I'm quite sad that Prech doesn't appreciate, what he calls, "furry races". Au Ra are amazing, Viera are stale (due to limited customization) but nice and Roegadyn are top-tier. Borh females and males. They just look fresh. They are not simply "buff dudes/dudettes", they've got character.
And hell, having a Hrotghar in your party is like having a cat-Druid or a bear-Druid. It's a person that's expected to receive pets and hugs, come on now. You're stressing out, killing Gods and Demi-Gods left and right, and here's a perfectly fine groomed proud cat-lion-person looking so huggable! Warriors of Light and Darkness have to relax some time!
Elezen is actually one of the least played races, just barely above Roes.
@@SPECTR_Eternal what do you mean Elezens are the best :p
@@SPECTR_Eternal I'll be honest I don't like Hrotgars so much nor any of the humanoids with animal ears probably because of over saturation simply
But I would totally reccomend basing your choice on the social interactions you'd prefer experiencing if you're not so crazy about your actual appearance
I've played as a Roegadyn, Elezen and Lalafel and damn the game experience simply was entirely different each time
@@SPECTR_Eternal Most WoW players are turned off by "furry races" because all bizarre RP that has been associated with WoW since the dawn of the game. Its a stain that will not wash out
This is the hardest version of one of the most mechanically complex sets of bosses that has ever been in FFXIV to date. On top of that, just watching a clear isn't really a great way to figure out the mechanics, you don't see the fail states and so you don't know how they are avoided.
It's cool to see preach doing stuff like this. When I first looked at FF fights before jumping in, they really seemed overwhelming at first, but a good thing that this game does since the start is to not throw everything at you at first. Preach is looking at the most mechanic intensive fight in the game here, and even veterans struggle to understand some mechanics at first, so it's natural to be overwhelming.
But after the build-up since ARR we get plenty of experience to understand the different mechanics that the game introduce to a point where normal raids (which have plenty of mechanics already) can be done with the duty finder (random queue). So after going throgh all he expansions, all the effects and different telegraphs seem natural to me already.
Some skills are way too flashy for someone's taste (like myself and preach) so we often disable some effects to make the fight cleaner. I personally like to see the animations from my black mage but I disable everything else so I can see the boss better, for instance.
One thing I learned from this video: The Black Mage rotation I figured out myself compares to a good player. I'm happy.
There is a lot of UI customization in the game itself. (you can move pretty much every UI element on the screen and change its size, for example, I keep my class UI and bars closer to the middle of the screen, since I have trouble concentrating on different parts of the screen at once or quickly changing my focus... I've seen someone, for meme reasons, make the class specific element take up the entire screen)
always look up your rotation on some of the usual sources. All jobs have very rigid rules to them and "self-made" rotations are always inferior.
@@ich3730 My self-made rotation... is the exact same as the "very rigid" "official" rotation.
BLM rotation is just beyond simplistic.
I really would love for preach to actually try FFXIV. I just don't think he'd be able to ge trough ARR to the point I think he'll actually like it
Fun part on living metal as the start of the fight. Was infamous back in the day so it’s fitting
Also something not clear in a clear video but a lot of these mechanics aren’t clear on ultimate until you get through. Especially specific mechanics where you have to go out of your way to do things you normally wouldn’t to progress through the fight
So, in terms of which one makes for more fun and interesting fights, at the high level:
Source - Was a tank main and DPS off spec in WoW through Legion and the first two tiers of BFA raid progression at the mythic level, also raided in FFXIV Savage content during the first tier of Eden (the raids in Shadowbringers)
Firstly, a couple things to understand going into it: FFXIV is cross platform between PC and PS4/5, and so raid encounters have to be designed under the assumption that the players are able to complete the encounter without necessarily being able to communicate with one another via text or speech. Additionally, unlike WoW (which supports addons, and the raid encounters are now actually designed under the assumptions players are using addons like DBM), the game does not support addons. So bear that in mind when comparing the two.
The games test different skill sets. FFXIV is more about memorizing highly complex patterns, while WoW has simpler patterns, but throws more things at you that change things up and force you to react to sudden changes in the plan.
Now, in terms of which is actually more fun/engaging at the high level? Depends on role. Unfortunately FFXIV doesn't quite have a handle on how to make tank gameplay fun and engaging, and the ease of difficulty of the dungeons (which only have one difficulty level which is roughly equivalent to heroic in WoW), as well as the raid design, make it all that much worse. You see, most non-caster DPS in FFXIV use a combo system that is really cool. But they used that system for tanks as well, which I feel is a poor design choice.
Now every other role? I'd give it to FFXIV, although I would say a lot of it comes down to the sheer complexity of your rotations as a DPS and how that plays to the raid design. DPS gameplay is far more engaging in FFXIV than in WoW, and if the raid designs were more about reactive gameplay rather proactive, heavily scripted design, it would actually be too much. Class design would HAVE to be dumbed down by a fair bit if they added more reactive elements to raid encounters in FFXIV. Very few people would be able to manage playing the classes, as complex as they are, while being able to manage reactive elements in the raids.
And healer gameplay (at least as an Astrologian, I can't speak on the other two healer classes) is by far more fun and engaging than any healer is in WoW to play.
It's funny because I have always thought that WoW could use more effects, especially for the classes. Pressing a button in WoW feels so unimpactful. Not saying it should be like FF14 but give players the option like they did with glyphs. Let us get better effects, more customizable effects and they can be visible only to the player so that it doesn't effect others as much.
so like ESO . you got the mechanics , the builds, the impact and the much better graphics ...
Hilariously enough, wow spell effects were bigger in the past. A perfect example here is incinerate from the warlocks. it used to be a giant plume of fire but now it's a small fire stroke. They lowered the effects over time for a lot of things, probably cause of lag. Some classes stayed intact though like Paladin which is a lightshow all on it's own.
I don't know if anybody has told you but in the options you can turn off other players spell effects so it's not a firework display when you are fighting a boss so you can see what the boss is doing
As a 14 player this is alot of fun to watch 😁 I understand that the game isn't your thing but it's really cool how u try to figure out what's going on in these fights 😄
After starting ff14 and farming the the very first raid for the event tokens I immediately started searching where I can reduce the visual clutter - disabled the party/other abilities to the minimum and also disabled the dmg text from party members etc. completely. So much cleaner and less visual clutter.
Did watch some videos and am kinda amazed that that this is not done by so many raiders especially the ones doing the harder raids. Is there a reason for that to not disable those things later on?
@@kiiturii Alright thanks.
For WoW players or beginner FF14 players, the limit break bar is shared across all players. The number of bars indicates the level of the LB, not how many times you can use it. Using an LB depletes all three bars for every player. Tank LB is either useless or required depending on if the boss has a massive raidbuster mechanic or not. Healer LB is only useful at level 3, when it provides a mass battle rez. Great as wipe insurance. DPS LB is the go-to if you dont need either of those other two, which is most of the time, outside of savage and ultimate fights.
The guy you're watching do the fight has a breakdown of the strategy they used to do this fight, though the strategies used now are very different. My group got 2nd fastest time for one of the patches if you had any questions though. There's honestly about 1 mechanic every 4 seconds
The DBM isn't as in depth as WoW. On release they have to make it as they are progging so its not as readily available.
As far as I'm aware, there ISN'T a DBM for FF14. The closest would have been stuff put together by individual raid teams to automate some stuff (like placing markers) as the fight progressed. But even in those situations, the developers ended up restricting player markers so that you couldn't move them once the fight started if they felt it was being abused.
You can look up a boss fight to see if there is a guide. I'll usually look up a text guide to have some idea on the different boss mechanics while I'm waiting in the queue for a specific dungeon/boss/raid. Unlike DBM, which may display stuff on the screen added in by the addon developers, all of the various stuff on the screen happening during FF14 battles were programmed by the devs.
Also, unlike with WoW, game testing for the expansions and patches is handled by an in-house group of QA people at Square-Enix. This means that sometimes there might not be any good guides available for fights, especially if you start playing through a new expansion right when it released (if you pre-ordered the expansion, you actually get "Pre-Order Access" which means you can start playing a few days before the official release).
@@roetheboat1 there actually is a DBM type thing as I recently learned, I think it's called cactbot, basically shows you which mechanics are coming up and telling you what's happening, tho with how fights are designed in ffxiv I'd rather not use that and haven't actually met anyone who does so far(afaik)
@@baklazan777 Most players use ACT, which is a third-party parser. You can add triggers to it for certain events to turn it into a psuedo DBM, but there's no modules as in DBM since SE doesn't officially support modding and won't release their API.
The comment about tank LB3- you could also do the Healer LB3 which is a raid-wide resurrect, heal to full and complete restoration of mana.
And finally, the damage LB3s are high-damage hits- either single target (melee), line (ranged physical) or aoe (magical).
You can tell by the way he talks that this guy is an expert raider. We'd all be so fortunate to have a guy like this in your guild.
Anyone happen to know the name of that first song? Thanks!
Also this is pretty fun content! After completing TEA it's neat seeing some outside perspective!
in case you meant the song at around 25:00 its Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance - A Stranger I Remain
@@hypertruck492 Oh thanks I meant the songs playing at the very start but maybe it's the same album?
@@DomoKunDom hm, no idea since its pretty hard to find songs with no lyrics, but the spotify account Mike Lamb has all the music preach uses in his streams so maybe check it out and try your luck there
@@hypertruck492 Much appreciated!
@@hypertruck492 Found it btw. New Eden - Mirror Edge. Thanks again for the help =)
best series ever. Its interesting to see someone try and make sense of the FF dance madness
dude, looking at TEA first... I cleared E1S ~ E8S, and some mechanics in TEA are still totally unknown to me (mostly because lots of mechanics are straight from alexander savage, the entire raid tier of Heavensward). It's on another level of precision and performance needed to actually clear it. it's a good showcase of the skill ceiling for ultimate's, tho.
you also nailed it when you compared it to a dance. the big challenge of the game is performing your rotation perfectly while adjusting to boss mechanics, and coming from WoW, you end up struggling with the bigger GCD timer, and off-GCD skill usage (something really big on some classes, and somewhat ping reliant). CD's usually sync with certain spots in certain fights, so it all turns into muscle memory at some point, and it's really, REALLY satisfying to get to that point.
This man is gonna do well. Not just because of what he's watching but because of his actions. Questions, compliments, paying attention, respect being paid to the home team. I wish you luck and good fortune when you come to FF
One day Mike will get a POV where the person has spell effects turned down/off.... Thought everyone played like that o.O
hey mike long time ff14 player here. tried a short stint at returning to wow but just wasn't for me. love your videos still and gotta say i'd love more content like this. i love seeing you puzzle through the mechanics in ff14 bosses even if these fights aren't your cup of tea it's real fun to see your fresh view on them.
Btw you can limit or hide all the extra flashy stuff from you and other players including damage numbers with in game settings
13:38 Sindalf Sindalf just got fucking slapped.
The no sound on for TEA hurt my soul. Brute justice trans mode ;(
Would hurt his soul more if he got clapped by a dmca strike for the music
@@RandomGuyCDN It’s not DMCA friendly? That sucks
@@someclevername8167 It's dmca if you dont show gameplay on it of the game if you have it there is no problem about it
The UI can be modified with IMMENSE freedom without an mods, You can change individual hotbar sizes, class resource UI, party list, EVERYTHING can be modified and moved around without any mods. Some people just have wacky as hell UI positions, mainly because once you have your rotation down, you almost never look at your hotbars and such anyways. Sfia has some spell affects turned off but you can reduce it even more in the options. The amount of options available to players to modify the game completely makes up for lack of mod/addon support.
It's so cooooool to see you actually talking about rhe fight with someone in the fight!!
also holy shit this video is awesome xD. never knew who Preach was until recently. Im glad I found him. Dude is amazing! wish i could catch the man on Twitch T_T
You completely missed like 95% of the mechs in the TEA fight. It would be fun for you to watch a video guide after trying to figure out the mechs.
If the first time he played he made every mechanic without a problem that would be a real bad signal for the game.
@@paulgotik I'd love to see someone whose never done TEA before walk in there blind and do the whole fight correctly first try. They're gonna be dead on the floor at the first mechanic unless party with experience hand holds them and tells them exactly where to go for every mechanic.
Ah yes, there's no content like someone watching fucking guides. 10/10
@@LevaniaMeyano There's no way someone can explain the mechs at the same time as they are happening to a completly blind person in an ultimate. And if someone explain before hand, well, they are not blind anymore ^^.
@@paulgotik its actually the other way around... Its good design if someone can complete something on first try if they show good enough reflexes or understanding of basic game mechanics, its called "fair". As much as i love the game, even ultimates are basically the same as remembering a poem for school. Its not as much "skill" as it is learning a bunch of content and then repeating it for the exam.
This is one of the hardest difficulty raid in the game. Imagine the first wing of icc plus arthas all together at the same time. Also if u wipe u start from the beginning. Also not everyone can't do this. Is not like mythic in wow. Only top 1-2% can do this.
yeah the visual stimulation kind of gets tuned out at this level of content. you spend more time tracking your rotation and base your actions off of what the boss is doing. on ultimates a regular static practices the fight for about a month before they clear. and by that point it gets muscle memory. also you can turn off a lot of the visuals if it gets crazy
I really hope he does more of these videos
I actually really appreciate Preach coming in and essentially commentating these fights. It makes it easier to digest as someone who has yet to experience this if FFXIV, but has some mythic raiding background in WoW. Visually speaking the games are very disparate in their spell effects and their mechanic indicators, and I've yet to find content creators on TH-cam with the same sort of clear, decisive breakdown as Preach has even just providing commentary on the fly.
I'm really hoping that between him and Bellular showing more interest, we can get more crossover from wow content creators to FFXIV -- even if it's just inspiring new creators to jumping in.
There are many mechanics happen at the same time that Mike didn’t see like during phase 2 of TEA, the tanks had to deal with water and thunder debuff then passing. Then DPS need to bait the aoe and tank needed to soak it. Or during phase 3, if you have different numbers, you have to do different things like 3-4 have to bait alex while taking CC damage while 1-2-5-6-7-8 have to take puddle.
The thing about FF raid fights are everybody has their own job and mechanic responsibilities and you need to learn how to do it well.
The fight is not only how to do mechanic but also how to keep your dps up. You should watch a prog fight cause those are fun to watch.
Mike keeps complaining about how visuals are overwhelming, how has no one told him most of it can be turned off?
IKR?
I can understand him saying the visuals are overwhelming. He's probably been told a million times already that they can be turned off, but his goal is to understand what's happening in the video he's watching, and he obviously can't turn off the effects in the video.
@@sermicha5324 so far of the 3 he's watched 2 have been healers, so visual clarity can be sacrificed quiet a bit from the players perspective, to give a more complete video, not necessarily a more watchable one.
You can turn off things like the effects of other players in the settings of the game as well, it definitely makes things less confusing
I recently turned the animations to limited cuz I couldn't even see which way enemies were facing anymore lol. Limited helps a lot.
OMG The Knightmare t-shirt. YES Mike. Loved that programme growing up.
man, I was hoping to see him try to figure out a3s (Alexander 3 Savage). Some of the most unique and punishing mechanics from back when I played.
looking back at this reminds me how 14 RWF has changed now, for any add-ons you will get a massive hammer from the GM and the lead director himself.
YoshiP knew ultimate RWF is so vital that he probably considered an official RWF
Why hasn't any1 told him yet that spell particle effects can all be super easily lowered in settings. Its very easy (so my brother tells me), to turn the 'flashiness' down if wanted.
btw, in the TEA clear he skipped the cut scene so he could tweet before his teammate could get on twitter.
I don't think ultimate fights (The Epic of Alexander for instance) are a good case of 'let me watch and try to understand what's happening', a lot of mechanics can simply not be directly understood directly. For example, you can't understand (on your own at least) what Fate calibration and Enigma Codex mechanics do. Last phase of the fight looks way too easy (and this is why Mike starts thinking the same) if you don't know what Fate Calibration is about.
For all the ultimates, the last phase is generally the easiest. Tea being somewhat of an exception. The level 70 ults definitely have a "victory lap" kind of feeling.
@@Henji96 Indeed, last phases are generally easier, but mostly cause they are simply undoable unless you did a certain mechanic in the first phases (enigma codex in tea, and awoken in uwu). Last phases are 'hard' for proggers but not for usual raiders.
How do you have a hard raid without it being a dance fight?
Wouldn't you just brute force if there's no dance?
I did a lot of raiding during BC and Wrath, and a lot of the mechanics tended to revolve around standing together and certain mechanics just get grabbed and dragged away. Some fights need something a little more intricate but there’s not a lot of movement heavy combat.
It depends on how you define "dance," really. Preach seemed to define it as the concept of character position being the most important factor in resolving a mechanic, and really that isn't far off. Every stack, spread, go X, move to Z, stay at Y sequence is a dance. There are honestly an overwhelming amount of mechanics in 14 which check your position in one way or another, so while not every fight is a "dance," every fight has elements of the dance.
Something that isn't a dance would be Ghuun bombs, for example, because while you need to make it from point A to point B, you don't need to stop at points C, D and E in a very specific sequence before you get there.
Kaelthas in BC I think is a good example. There were various "jobs" people of different roles had to accomplish for the raid not to wipe throughout all 4 phases of the fight.
dance fight is because everyone is moving. WoW due to a lot bigger raids has a lot of "target x players" mechanics. Also got mechanics like "quickly heal/dps add or straight up super varied things like Ghuun bombs, Black furnace furnace mechanics and so on.
Great VoD!!
One other thing Preach, most mechanics in FFXIV yeah, are relatively simple. But for example the Nisi + other things in BJCC phase of Alexander or some other mechanics are a bit more involved in thought and execution.
the one thing i do when i play ffxiv is turn down other people spell effects that way i can always see the boss and not have as much clutter as people call it. Just a tip for people looking to play ffxiv you can turn down or off your and other peoples spell effects
The explanations from the person who did the fight is skipping over 80% mechanics that are happening.
Probably meant to not overwhelm Mike.
But watch a guide on a bit of the fights to see how complex they really are please because you're missing half the fun.
Yeah, I didn't really know how deep I wanted to go into them, nor had I seen the video that he released with Nupss (as this was prior to that, had I seen it before then I would've tried to have it in the same style of letting Mike guess on everything first), I would've loved to explain every little detail on Nael for example, but I felt like it would drag on for too long, I also feel like there's also a lot lost when the mechanics are performed correctly, as it looks like nothing has really happened.
Watching a guide or people progging the fight is definitely a better way if you want to understand fights like UCOB, maybe it would've been better with something easier, i.e. a savage fight instead.
@@vappie I agree, the best way to learn the fights is by doing them and having the respect for those mechanics beaten into you a few times lol (or maybe more than a few times...)
Neat video so far Preach! Again just to help you out, yeah you can always turn off most effects because I know it really can be overwhelming (I keep them on but that's me). But in terms of dance fights, that's just how FF works. There's certainly optimization and challenge in min-maxing one's rotation but that's where the challenge comes in - can you do the dance / mechanics of the fight while also being optimal? But that's also to an extent, WoW, too.