@@mikamikamikamik oh that wasn’t supposed to come off that way. I proposed if you knew the functions (fe, fi, ne, ni, etc.) than you would know the utmost in it. I ain’t a pro in any way LMAO and I asked if you did know it, I swear there was no malice behind it. My asking is very impersonal trust me
NT: "I'm having a hard time explaining it." Story of my life. Like can't everyone see how it connects and then you start explaining how every little fact connects and how you reached your whatever conclusion and then you realize "wow, that's ...well...actually a lot of facts, sorry." 😅 So either you talk a lot and put that whole megalomind map down or you don't talk at all. If you can't explain it right, don't even start. -INTP
Ustedes pueden explicarlo porque yo no puedo y lastimosamente siempre termino en un: olvídalo o balbuceos. So, could you explain your thoughts because I can't and unfortunately I always said: forget it or I start to said vowels without any sense
@@ivanairineo3038 Sí, soy NT y me ha pasado demasiadas veces que empiezo a hablar y a mitad me doy cuenta que será inútil pues con quienes estoy hablando no entenderán los puntos que intento conectar y tan solo me doy por vencida. No es solo una cuestión de lógica pero tampoco sé explicar a veces cómo he llegado a una conclusión y transmitirlo.
That's very true! I'm INTJ and mostly don't tell people what I'm thinking at a given time, partly because even though the leaps happen fast in my own head like pinballs bouncing around, when I try to explain how my train of thought went from A to B it requires adding in sooo many connecting dots via facts that I'm afraid I'll lose their attention. Or I end up staring pleadingly halfway through like, "You know what I mean, don't you?"
we had to do something in a lab and the one doing the test had to be calm. i proposed to be the "victim" of all that and my lab partner was like "can you even feel calm? everytime i look at you i think of a squirrel, thinking about six things at the same time" i was surprised, usually people find me too relaxed/ not concerned enough/ boring xD But she got a nice comparison ahahah HOW ABOUT THINKING AT EVERYTHING AT ONCE?!
As NF I usually write down key points before serious conversations, otherwise.. I just emotionally float from one thought to another forgetting what this conversation is about.
When i am preparing for a conversation i think of things i want to say and how i’m gonna say them. And i always end up saying only one or two of the things I planned saying.
@@TheStarryPath same here😑 I would always lose against my ST ex whenever we had a serious conversation. I would get choked up on my emotions and he would remain cold and factual
I do this whenever I have presentation, even the smallest thing I will write down so that I know the flow and won't deviate away from the all main points but some people just don't understand why I did what I did, they will be like "why do you even write that down?"
*NT:* What if Mars became it's own independent nation after we colonise it? *NF:* That would suck. There'll be a lot of unnecessary hate between the interplanetary community *ST:* how tf do you all know what it will be like if Mars became independent? Focus on the real world! *SF:* This is scary and weird I hate this conversation
The main strength of NF communication, though, is that if the focus is on the other person, the other person will feel understood to a degree that's difficult for the other communication styles to reach.
I'm an INTJ. A common struggle for me follows the following sequence of events. 1. Have what I believe to be a very simple idea or concept. 2. Decides to put it into written words. 3. Realizes I've already typed 3 paragraphs and have only just provided background info for the sake of context so far. 4. Attempts to summarize my thoughts because nobody wants to read a wall of text. 5. Somehow still manages to write an essay while trying to explain what I had thought was a "simple idea". 6. Accepts the fact that people won't want to read it, but still sends it because somehow an hour just went by and I don't want to feel like I just wasted an hour. (Realizes I intended for this comment to be half of its current size and facepalms.)
dude this is literally me lmao. from what I’ve seen it’s common for xNxJs to (a) take much longer to explain something than anticipated and (b) try to make it understandable/readable/to the point for other people.
As an INTP, yeah same here! My Ne tells me all the ways that someone could misinterpret what I say so I overexplain things. People tell me it makes me seem less confident and to trust myself more, but I'm like, "I trust *myself,* I don't trust my audience to interpret me correctly."
Here's what I've come up with: ST - an instruction manual (explained facts - concise and tangible) SF - a book/movie review (illustrated facts - dramatic but tangible) NT - a philosophy/psychology essay (explained feelings - concise but intangible) NF - a poem/song/religious sermon (illustrated feelings - dramatic and intangible)
@@memo-ct3lq it basically means that you are talking about one thing, but people believe you are talking about another thing. So they're not really understanding what you're saying at all
Same :) After years of trying/wanting to feel understood, incl studying psychology, and only having rare moments of feeling understood, I just decided to put that on hold to learn how to ask people questions. Voila, when you ask and listen, people feel so understood, they feel loved, they love me, and I get to help other people feel seen like I like to feel. Its like it multiplies that good feeling :). Ha, this took about 15 min to compose to look at it from every angle to do my best for it to not offend, to say what I mean, to help etcetc etc :)
NTs brain is a confusing world, not even NTs ourselves understand it sometimes, we just go with the flow of thoughts to see where it leads us (intj here)
INTP here, I tend to gravitate towards associative thinking. There is a train of thought, only the connecting pieces are hard to track. Instead of focusing on the real world, I prefer fiction. You can still argue and test hypothetical situations in stories disconnected from reality.
As an intp, being intp is so hard. Always thinking always an idea, solution,problem,real life and .... just so endless. we are have a big entanglement in our minds. So we can’t speak just so normally. Argh! It’s just so haaard.
As an INFJ I so relate to all y’all!!! I do the same thing with the flow of thought train leading me somewhere I’m not even clear of where I’m heading until I arrive 😂. Maybe I’m a weird one because my F/T are a 50/50 split, but so are J/P 😂 . The tests always label me FJ. I get both so intrinsically 😂 My IN is much more solid at 51%/53% respectively. I was given a caveat that my type is not able to be determined because I have more than one in the 50-54%, but INFJ was given anyway 😂 😰 Am I a two type Timmy, uuhhhh make that a four type Freddie...six type Sally...eight type Emmy???🥴😱 Noooooooooooo, may it never be!! Who am I???? FJ’s gonna have a field day with this. 🤦🏼♀️
I can relate. There is no way society will ever understand us. We always think about things that most of people never think about. Im an intj too. Life is tough, and I like it. but you know what's tougher? To properly explain something abstract to someone, but I just realized that even tho you explain it so well, people will still perceive it differently, so it's a waste of energy. We are all different, no need to explain ourselves.
me too or they just look at me like what the hec are you talking about and Ill recognize that facial expression and then Ill get mad cause i have to repeat myself
I always get the feedback after job interview that actually the interviewer didn't get what I'm talking about, and ask me to make some points in the first sentence before I explaining more things :")
I am INFP and I also hear that a lot hahah it's sad that some people got so used to how cofusing the things I say are, that they don't even try to understand anymore
And then I have to pause for like a minute and gather my thoughts and explain it in a way that makes sense to them. I like to use metaphors and examples
I wouldn't say that... ST more like accountant stuff... engineering at least some forms of engineering require a lot of creativity and guessing and a lot of times it's intuition about the basic design that's most important and the details get filled in later.
There is one exception to this: if you agree with the person, but he/she didn't demonstrate properly the thesis (which YOU can way better demonstrate). In that case you will enter in a rage of logical explanation, because as Nietzsche once said, "one particularly vicious way to smear an idea is to defend it for bad reasons".
@@lesubtil7653 Thank you for that, wanted to complete the initial comment. Also when they say the right thing, but they don't explain why, how, what, where, when, and all of the facts that make their answer right. It frustrastes me when they're just like "yeah that's this", I always use my full knowledge on the topic to prove that I'm right so it frustrates me when they don't😌
so relatable. It’s actually something I’m trying to work on because it really gets in the way of my connections and creates unnecessary grudges, but damn is this habit hard to overcome. :(
FACTS. Its like people just a s s u m e entps start fights out of nothing. We start fights out of tiny loopholes you accidentally leave out, we focus on that, we set the trap and we wait.
NF: "emotional reaction" YESSS I've just begun really learning what being an INFP means, but YESSS. I do notice that when I'm having a deep conversation, I'm speaking from an emotional place. So I don't really know where I'm going with what I'm saying, I'm so focused on what I feel. As he says it's not the most clear way, but those close to me seem to appreciate that open and emotive way of being :)
Lol I also talk like that!! But I kinda don't mind if I don't need to speak eloquently, its kinda like an art waiting to be finished everytime I talk lol
@@Natalie-hd2tc As I'm speaking after awhile I'll ask myself what's my point lol🤣 Like i don't even know where I'm going with it but the emotion that's carrying me through hasn't been fully expressed yet so we're gonna keep going hahaha
@@rubyb7252 YES. I hate it sometimes because I pretty much never feel like I’ve fully explained what I’m feeling so that people can understand. I always try to say it in different ways or find different words that feel closer to what I want to say but I can never find them because I don’t even really know exactly what I want to say, so I end up repeating the same thing like 3 times before I just give up lol
@@yesthatisababytoucan.youre6983 Are you sure that she wings everything or you just have too many plans for one thing and everything? LOL No offence, I'm an INFJ too you see. Anyways, Hamiltion told Washington that we shouldn't help you with your war! I'm SORRY!!!
NF here and spot on....I don’t feel like I can ever get my point across in a clear way for Others to understand without sounding like a complete weirdo. I can do it better over the written word, kinda ☺️. Love the tips!
That is why as an ENTP I love you NFs, the conversations are never ever dull with you guys. And as an intuitive I can understand were you are coming form, but in mind I imagine that if there was a sensor eavesdropping that sensor would be utterly confused and I find it hilarious. Anyway, while it is good to focus on making more sense to everyone, it is an useful skill, I love you guys for the content of what you say, not how it is said. So many people focus on how things are said, that fail to understand the message trying to get across, and while you guys struggle with getting the point across the content of what you say is truly amazing. NFs always have so many unique and interesting perspectives that other types would either feel like they are not allowed to have or would not share it. So despite all your flaws (everyone has them) NFs are amazing for what you have to offer in other areas, such as emotional depth and the love for deeper conversations, and as I said there is never a dull moment with you guys.
Basically, NFs like to speak in what I call 'snake-talk,' which kinda loops around subjects like an idealistic anaconda. We can hear your emotional heartbeat. And we act accordingly.
LOL, 'idealistic anaconda' - YES! So me. It isn't that I am trying to beat around the bush, I'm just trying to make sure I'm not leaving anything out. Also, while knowledgeable about the roots and the leaves and the interface of these things with the elements beyond and I can trace the branches, I am not always sure where the trunk is and hope that you can help me out with that. *'you' here of course being whomever is my chosen conversational partner
Me an INFJ: I can communicate like an ST, I am so logical and detailed. Also me: Yeah, so that octagon thing doesn't go with the star thing. You have to use the medium star shaped thing. I actually have a self help book, that really helped me to defeat my fears of power tools. I can gift you the audio book, that way it's easier. It's a really good book, that captures the struggles we all face when using power tools. Trust me. You'll have this cabinet built in no time 👍
Wow, is there a book to help defeat fear of power tools like portable grinders and portable circular saws? Because I hate those tools, there are extremely noisy, dangerous as hell, and can throw impossibly hot sparks of death! Show me! I'm ENFP, by the way XD
INFJ here...I love power tools!!! I use most of em...compound miter saws, circular saws, nail guns, drill/drivers, tile saws, etc. I’m an odd duck...no box ever fits me 😂 I just make my own with openings...don’t fence me in!
Growing up, I was always told “quit being logical” “quit looking for meaning” “quit adding logic” or “it’s not that deep” . I was always asking why did the world work the way it does and why do people act the way they do. Intj since birth
Lol when I was younger my go to question was why. No one could convince me to do anything, unless they explained to me logically the reasons behind it. Thank god my mum is an NF type, that adapted to my way of thinking and respects it.
okay folks i got a question for you: i think i am an infj, but throughout my life I've experienced the same. always tried to make logic of the world's biggest secrets.. so my question is: am i an intj? like, idk.. is it possible that infjs can also be "logical" like intjs?
Aww!! INFJs always catch me off guard with their wisdom abstract concepts. You're precious and must be protected at all costs. But yes, there'll be time for that later, so just let me do the explaining - ENTJ
True, I learned a better way to tell them a better option without disregarding my opinion and not be misunderstood as someone judgemental who keeps telling them their wrong. Unless they truly are wrong. -INTP
Here I am, having eloquent sentences written in my head, but unable to articulate with the elegance I wish to emulate. And still I continue to try to learn several other languages while barely being able to communicate in just one. Such is the woes of me, an INFP. 🙃🤣
Lmao, I am a infp and I'm currently in college learning English and my first language is French and when I was younger I learned French sign language (don't ask me why I was obsessed with this all my childhood)... But I am still unable to explain myself in any of those languages, worst I speak all 3 of them at the same time because the word I'm looking for in French or English or whatever doesn't have the impact that I want so I'm telling it in the other language because it seems better. So yeah... I don't know how to communicate XD
Ideas for some videos: 16 personalities dealing with children 16 personalities getting ready for work 16 personalities doing their hobbies 16 personalities under pressure 16 personalities showing affection (I WONDER how THAT video will come out XD)
@@NerdyCatCoffeeee ENTP shoeing affection: hey bichy bimbo i like ya booty , that be treasure you know (in ENTP's mind:why the fuck i always end up offending when showing affection)
@@catoams exactly what i thought.... time and effort must be respected though, some are great ideas , some are not exactly something that should be turned into a video XD i like them anyway. I would want to see alot of them like the "16P on whether to create clones of themselves, have kids or go out of their way to prevent it from happening" and "16P all having to work together and taking part of the same project or big brother / drawn together type setting" and alot more.
I had that. It was brutal, but it got me far in a way as I learned to do stuff their way and see things through their eyes. I've done well despite the bruises. I guess I can thank them for helping me work on my weaker functions
@@latiie Thank you! I'm much older now and they are gone. It was like being in a concentration camp. Thank you for your kind words! Thankfully my teachers and my aunt loved me and were kind. This was truly a saving grace for me.
This comment is so interesting bc me, an NF type, usually find myself translating what my brother, an NT type, says in religious context.... while he translates what I mean to say in work context xD
I know you're right, but as an ENFP I get so tired of being told that I'm always the one who has to change my communication style for others. I wish they could stretch their ears and their imaginations.
That's difficult. I'm an ISTJ and I've always felt it's my responsibility to listen carefully to people and try to understand. I also have an added issue of wearing hearing aids, which probably has meant i needed to look at people and concentrate when they speak to me.
I’m an INTJ, and I definitely find patterns in things that other people don’t see. I can’t explain how, it’s like my subconscious is constantly working and throwing in signals to my conscious mind and I come to these conclusions that, for the most part, end up being true. It can be patterns n the environment or people’s behavior. And it’s hard for me to explain how I got to the conclusion because the signals I receive aren’t... linear. It’s wibbly-wobbly timey-whimey.
My issue as an ISTP is that I often disagree with those conclusions, and even if I agree, more often I find them pointless to make, because they add unnecessary stress to life. One of my best friends is an INTJ and I feel this daily. I love y'all, but sometimes I think you're more interested in stressing yourself out over the future than actually doing what makes you happy right now.
I'm an INTJ too. I can totally relate with what you said. I like how the MBTI quiz helps people understand why are they the way they are, and if there are other people experiencing life like that. I thought I was crazy, but I was just an INTJ. lol
@@benjaminharmon6541 that's a fact, we really love stressing ourselves about the future. Why? Long-term thinking improves short-term decision making. Your attitude toward time, your “time horizon,” has an enormous impact on your behavior and your choices. People who take a long-term view of their lives and careers (not short-term view) always seem to make much better decisions about their time and activities than people who give very little thought to the future. We want to work in the most efficient way and get the best results. We hate wasting time. Let me show you a paragraph from "Eat that frog"- best selling book, by Brain Tracy - Chairman and CEO. (He's a very famous businessman and best-selling author) : "Successful people have a clear future orientation.They think five, ten, and twenty years out into the future. They analyze their choices and behaviors in the present to make sure that what they are doing today is consistent with the long-term future that they desire." The ability to accurately predict the consequences of doing or not doing something is very important for a good future. We don't mindlessly do whatever we feel like doing. That why we "stress" about it. We are doing our best to be disciplined and focused, and it's not that easy to create this kind of habits, but it is possible with enough effort. If you truly want an amazing future, you need to pay the price. That doesn't mean that you can't be happy everyday or sometimes do "fun things". We must trust and enjoy the process! :) I believe that a dream without a plan and sacrifices is just dream, but a dream with a plan and consistent action is a goal. Edit: Honestly, I'm not surprised why we sometimes stress so much about so many things. (not just future) Life is amazingly tough and I like it :)
The beauty of being an NT who communicates with another NT or NF, is that you can literally say "Have you seen the thing that i...yeah?" And be replyed with "yeah. The thing is on the, yeah." And actually have the thing be there🤣 and by thing i don't mean "X object" i mean incomplete sentences.🤣🤣🤣
On target again. As an NF child with a ST mother, I most often heard “ well, just spit it out”. I probably drove her mad starting my sentences out with “Ummm”, I realize now.
I'm a ST and it's just hit me i hate the Umm starts in others. But I never say anything and I just wait for them to tell me what they want. You just crystallised that thought to me.
@@youngcrone456 haha mine just falls asleep. I'll notice it and continue talking because I'm already on a train of thought and don't want to disrupt it
As an INFP with both parents being ENFPs, I am just now beginning to understand how much of a gift that is. Yes we have our arguments, but for the most part the communication has always been easy :-) Although I was occasionally forced to miss school, because they thought it would be more fun to go to an amusement park :D
As an NF type sometimes I will start trying to make my point, realise I can't find the right words that would allow that person to understand, so I just give up and say never mind, and then get frustrated at myself for coming across weird. I'm going to start journalling my thoughts to hopefully get better at expressing my thoughts and emotions in words, as I usually am pretty decent at writing.
Amy, journaling is the best thing you can do, really. Not only improves your espression, it's a sort of meditation, cause writing is to put your psyche in front of you, it helps your consciousness to grow. It'll benefit you.
As an Infj, this why I have learned to keep the philosophical, abstract stuff to only my intuitive friends. Sensors would just think I'm high or something when I try to communicate out all the random, unsorted stuff that's going through my mind 😂
NF, I often try to get my points across in an understandable way, but when people end up being unreasonable and difficult I just snap, and I never fully get my point across, because people aren’t usually willing to listen to what I have to say, which is probably why I’m so introverted. This was pretty spot on I would say.
I tend to get really frustrated too when I can't get my point across properly, and even though I realise that I am getting frustrated at my own inability, sometimes I worry if other people think I'm getting frustrated with them for not understanding, it's hard!
1. love the hair, it's stunning ✨ 2. great video, please make more informative vids🙏 3. you should totally write a book (still waiting for the novel which you wrote the draft for)✍ 4.should we expect Paul McCartney's typing video soon👀? 5. have a great day!❤️️
My dad, an ESTJ, has writren a book and I recently got to read it. It’s the epitome of ST-comunication, haha! It’s fiction, but also an instruction manual. No lengthy descriptions about how the protagonist feels, about the surroundings, about the smells or sounds or sights. It’s basically just ”it was 06:30. The protagonist awoke. He was rested. He ate breakfast that was nutritious. Then he went to work. He arrived in time, then he made a cup of coffee”. Stating all nessecary facts. Nother more, nothing less.
That's really interesting. I've got a book looming in my head and I have made some starts. I'm an ISTJ and I don't know if I have the mindset to do it, but I'm going to try. So what you said are valid points for me to keep in mind.
That was my writing style as a estj ( 96% introverted) in up to 20 then became an infj with 98% introvert 25 and up. Big difference in writing and spoken styles. I still speak very direct and factual and am very misunderstood still. Ppl put more meaning to what i am saying than is said. sooo frustrating bc i say what i mean
@@connieyoung4239 wow, I've been misunderstood often since I was a little girl and I've never understood it. I say things how they are, no fluffiness at all so I've never been able to understand it.
My bf is an ENTP, who studied IT and psychology. I am an jobless INFP, looking for a existential task for myself. It is hilarious how I communicate via bodylanguage and mimics and he's just a freakin good-hearted robot, who doesn't get it, until we talk it out.
I love the term good-hearted robot - also yes we are oblivious to some of the subtle NF cues (although not as bad as many STs I know) - Sincerely an INTP with an INFP best friend
An INFP here with an ENTP boyfriend and omfgs I’ve never related more 😭 I’m just here sending him looks or smthing and he tries so hard to understand what I feel or mean, but in the end he thinks logically and all, so he’s just there like 😀😫
INFP here with an ENTP boyfriend and he has a hard time understanding why my emotions take so much place in my life. Sometimes I get too bottled up in my emotions and I fear being rejected because of them so I just cry in a corner and it pisses him off, he always tell me to just come to him and cuddle when I'm feeling bad. Because handling emotions is too tiring for him and it doesn't need to take so much time and efforts in his eyes, which I understand better now that I know he's ENTP lol he's such a good support though because he helps me rationalise things that seems so huge to me but that aren't so serious in reality, and he's very patient. But yeah overall he's not good at getting my emotions if I don't speak them out haha.
I am an ENFJ and my brother is an INTP, so you can imagine that we talk alot about phylisophical matters, but it often ends in frustration and I am starting to understand why that happens more after I've looked into the communication between the two types. I end up talking about how I feel and how it would make others feel and what things mean, while he is alot less focused on that aspect of things. So he ends up thinking that I am being irrational With my thoughts, and I think he's ignoring such an important side of things, and I feel extremely missunderstood and it could hurt my feelings how he doesn't seem to care about them, while I care so much about his, being an ENFJ and all lol. I also have always felt like I speak in circles, and when I write an essay for school, for example, I often get off topic and find it hard to get to the point, I usually write the essay, then rewrite it in a more clear way lol. And now I see that it has to do with being an NF type. I am ALWAYS wishing there were more people that get me... Thanks for reading my rant...
My sisters are INTP and ENFP and they used to always argue in the way you described. The good thing is that they learned to understand each other now. Hopefully that is what happens with you too
"I feel extremely missunderstood and it could hurt my feelings how he doesn't seem to care about them, while I care so much about his, being an ENFJ and all" And you will probably eventually find out that your brother being an INTP means that you care about his feelings way more than he cares about his feelings. :)
as an NF, yes! It’s kinda sad tho, cuz every time I tried to help my sensor friends with their emotional problems they just went like “that’s not gonna work 😐” lmao
Yeah. Like NTs they get suspicious whenever your help is failing (from their point of view which is what makes this so hard to get across in NF language, no?) to match their view of the world. I think NFs are simply amazing because they're so well balanced. If they've been taught from a young age how to accept themselves, they can truly shine even in environments where you'd expect more of the thinking/logical types to flourish/dominate. 🙂
You opened my eyes! I just remembered when I was a kid, my father would refuse my requests until I learned his way to discuss and I'd make a prova before talking to him. So, I was thinking as an NF then rethinking as an ST to make it makes sense. I stoped doing that, since I own my decisions.😐💔
As an ENFJ (so NF communicator) this video made me realize how hard I’ve worked and how far I’ve come to make sense when I’m talking to people. I’m a scientist now but I remember at the beginning of my training I used to get feedback that I was too ambiguous or not getting to the point. Now I communicate much more like an NT but only after working at it and making an effort.
Frank, you are not only talented, funny, wise, intelligent, perceptive, nuanced, and generous, you are kind, & that is what has spoken to the many hearts and minds that have seen your videos. No doubt, your engaging and honest look at the different types have given hope and freedom to a great number of people. Well done and thank you. 🙂
For NFs, in giving concrete examples, I use my own/other people's experiences, situations based on the person I'm talking to, or even from news and contemporary issues when explaining then is/are paired with reasoning and facts as to why I think or said something in particular. Connecting the abstract to something others can easily image and perceive. I saw that others understand me easily when I do that. I've been trying to consciously control myself to switch into different N/S, T/F, J/P based on what is best in the situation. So far, I'm able to do ST and NT, as well as SF thought it takes more effort and a feeling of uncomfortableness since it's like I'm going out of my own comfort zone. But I believe I can understand, connect and build more harmonious relationships with others if I learn myself through this. I'm using MBTI ti understand and improve myself. -sincerely, an INFP who believes in your potential.
When you say NTs like to jump ahead, you got it spot on. When I talk to my ENTP best friends, other people seem to find it hard to follow the conversation. We fill in the blanks in our heads and we don't find it necessary to say those steps out loud because most of the times, there is only one logical answer for that step and we can automatically move on to the next one without discussing it.
Im an intp and Im amazed at how this universe working in an unseen, unexpected and very smooth and thin way that somehow and often ppl dont realize it, almost like a system and its very hugeeeee and complex but its very cool... what I mean is not about the solar system or gravity but the connection between human, nature, animals, earth, plants, etc etc etc Anyway as an NT myself I agree with you, sometimes I find it hard for myself to articulate my mind to even explain and make other people understand, ppl often say that my words are too high to reach, too high to understand lol, good video :)
So basically if they were to be viewed as types of movies they'll be : ST: real world practical stuff NT: science fiction but still is scientific and applies to the laws of the universe NF: completely out of the ordinary , magical , fantasy stuff SF: a family movie or drama
I think INFJs who came from abusive family backgrounds can absolutely communicate in concrete facts and rational, logical arguments. Especially if they spent their childhood fending off gaslighters and other dirty, emotionally manipulative attackers. They had to hone those critical thinking skills to keep their sanity and just survive.
As an INTJ, my best friends are an INTP and an ENFP. I don’t click well with sensors, I tend to do a lot better with intuitives. My other (untyped) best friend just tried to slurp my phone, so I... I think I should probably go now.
I spend so much energy worrying about being misunderstood, I end up thinking the conversation out in advance and explain too much …and almost certainly end up sounding even more weird to other types lol
ST: "How does concrete reality work?" SF: "How is concrete reality valued?" NT: "How do patterns of meaning work?" NF: "How are patterns of meaning valued?" INTJ
me, an xnfp reading the one about Nf: 👁👄👁 no but seriously idk what it means by patterns and value of patterns, what even are patterns. Tf is happening
I couldn't concentrate because I started to focus on your passion about teaching how a NF communicates. You really put your heart on it and it's inspiring. Regards from another INFJ
INTP here, I always want to make rules and systems that apply to all scenarios. My goal would be to have one logical system that applies to everything... which is definitely impossible but it doesn't stop me from trying to generalize. NFs understand that generalization so we can talk on the same level. Even though their systems tend to be very different in structure from mine, it's mind blowing when we can match them up and agree on something. STs and SFs make me feel like I'm experimenting on them or something, trying to figure out their general patterns when they don't really think that way haha, especially SFs who seem very confusing and inconsistent to me. I do love trying to figure out what makes them tick though.
@@Huspree2011 we try to find order in chaos. If you look at the bigger picture, you can extract the logic of everything. It requires to look from a different perspective, sometimes from a far distance. Then you see the patterns. Discrepancies make people hurry up into conclusions sometimes. I still need my fingers to count to 10
This made me genuinely laugh since my whole life my INTP sister has been trying to figure me out (an ISFJ) always asking me to explain why I think or do certain things. When I explain something related to FE function I can see her taking mental notes 😂
@@Huspree2011 Math can be pretty great if there are only a few basic tenets you need to know in order to do a problem. For example, almost all the math in physics can be boiled down to a few basic equations, and you can just derive the rest. For college level math like differential equations, there are often a ton of different techniques for solving problems which stops being fun and starts becoming awful. I hate having to memorize a bunch of different things.
Irrational types are those led by a primary perception function. The other 2 types are rational. As an INFP, Jung nailed it - on that matter as well as nearly anything else he ever wrote.
Yeah. I think part of the problem is the way the word feeling is typically used in English is understood to mean emotions. We all have emotions. Feeling in the cognitive typology sense really is a *type* of thinking. Just ethically and morally focused thinking and less formalized.
Im typed INTP and INTJ sometimes.. When explaining a fundamental concept at work i have to draw it out for people and write it down because no one can understand what I'm trying to explain. I have a bad habit of explaining the theory when people just want to know the answer. Nothing annoys me more than people coming to me every 5 minutes asking me a similar question because if they took the time to learn the concepts they would be more independent and not distract me from my work all the time.
I feel you, started drafting stuff at work or just in general while explaining because people could not follow my thought process or results without visualization.
Meanwhile, I find it much harder to learn and retain things without the theory / why. If I can learn the underlying concepts then I have a source of answers for related situations instead of one answer that works only in a much more limited range of circumstances.
Do a vid of NTs speaking normally or pensively and then shots of how the SFs, STs, NFs are listening to them.. and vice versa.. sort of depict how breaks in communication between the types happen.. Begin making videos of the types interacting.. you could potentially boost your subscribers bc other youtubers basically do this with movie or show clips..
This is an excellent, high-returns discussion you've booted open here. Possibly one of the more actively useful typology videos anyone's released lately, so thank you! To nail down your slight flail about NT users, as a high NT user, I see it as this: possibility. We see and observe the straight facts of the "real world" (S) but it's a means to an end - they're merely the bouncing board for first pattern-matching (something we INTPs spend an inordinate portion of our lives doing), then extrapolating those patterns into projections. The real joy and energy is in playing with the possibilities. ENTP: "Let's argue all these possibilities from every angle to expand them to their limits." INTP: "Let's collect ALL OF THE POSSIBILITIES and apply them as systems/scaffolding for the world." INTJ: "Let's run all these possibilities through a gauntlet, then methodically nurture the winner." ENTJ: "Let's identify the most obvious possibilities, then execute them beautifully as a team." In the end, we've all "run simulations" in our heads using available information, applied experience and logic, and honed them as tools to approach the world around us. It's why other types might find us frustrating to communicate with. We speak in future tense, in opportunity, in a constant mode of needing to make things better. INTP and ENTP especially are playful with this, and the more I see this, the more I realise I spend LITERAL HOURS with INTP and ENTP friends talking shit about absolutely nothing but concepts and 'what-if' and feeling weirdly energised instead of having an introvert hangover. TL;DR: NT = possibilities.
I love this analysis because my best friend is INTP and I’m INFJ. We’ve been friends over 20yrs. so she has helped me develop my “T” a lot, her and I have amazing discussions about possibilities all the time. She’s very much “possibilities” and I’m “possibilities for people.” That difference brings balance to a lot of things, as she feels like she’s discovers new possibilities when I speak about value and she helps me to make sure I have my data collected and presentable in a concrete way. But, we will also talk hours about possibilities of anything including anime show crossovers with their lore, lol 😂
This is a really good explanation that you made. I’m an ENTJ and the only problem I saw was that when ppl talk about ENTJs specifically they tend to make them sound like leaders of a team or company in some sort of way. Not all ENTJs are bosses so not all of them think that way. While we do tend to think on what is most efficient it is not necessarily linked to a team. Just wanted to put that in there.
@@priscilamenjivar6741 This is an awesome clarification, thank you! My dealings with ENTJs and ESTJs have all been managers that seem to have licked a power pole at some point in their lives, so my perception definitely skews to that stereotype. High energy leaders. But it does make sense that the real function beneath that presentation is efficiency - minds that see endless possibilities for efficiency or improvement...as opposed to INTPs who just endlessly expand possibilities for the fun of it (spot the P).
@@Karla_wthaK I have similar sorts of discussions with INFJ friends! For some reason my interests have skewed into people (am author, will obsess), and there's awesome crossover. I always feel like I'm brute-forcing my way through the conversation and subsequent understanding by levering typology, an intimate knowledge of pop psych in general, and overlaying a system while INFJs seem to just inherently and thus quickly navigate it all. Not that it means I can't give them the heck, since they don't suspect it from a hyperactively friendly robot of a personality... Gotta love it when you've got wicked chemistry with a friend and can riff off their brain juice for hours!
@@ShaleNinja Since the ENTJ stereotype is mostly portrayed when it comes to characters in media and even in TH-cam, I, a college student struggling to pick a major, will sometimes feel immense pressure to become that stereotype even though it’s supposed to be the other way around and my thinking process is what makes me an ENTJ not what amounts of power or authority I have. When ENTJ characters go against the stereotype and have a personality of their own I find that super encouraging and it feels like I don’t have to be part of the stereotype. Anyway just wanted to put that in their to see your thoughts on the matter. 😅
Intp here, completely agree. Most people tell me "ok... I have stopped following you 30 minutes ago". While my nt SO and I can go on and on all night long analyzing and putting together how things work abstractly and trying to find a totally comprehensive model for the universe. Which is impossible. But it's fun to do.
That sounds beautiful - I need to get better at that. I still have amazing conversations but I think I spend too much time around NFs so now I talk about people and why they are the way they are a lot -- INTP
@@ravinmarokef Fellow INTP, and I am in a sea of NF, SF, and STs - I get a lot of weird looks whenever I open my mouth as a result. I do have an NT friend that I can spend hours talking to though
You've to switch to your last function when addressing NF's that's why is so hard for you NT folks to keep the conversation going with us NF's. Remember: NF type you're addressing? -> *yes*? Then switch to using your *inferior function (Fe)*, else if NT? Talk as usual. Else if ST? *Be short in answers (yes/no)*. Else (SF) try NF advice but as if you're drunk and simply only want to pass time and laugh. 🙂
@@alexandrugheorghe5610 I understand. And the problem is not that I can't adapt and fit in if I have to. It's that it's difficult being myself with other typologies because, let's be honest, they get bored. And, don't take me wrong: I understand them. I know I can go on and on about a topic I am excited about and all the possible consequences and connections. The point is that I'm often the one who has to adapt to other's people conversations (that maybe I find uninteresting) because it's kind of rare to find people who think like you AND are interested in the same stuff you are. I remember this one time. My mother has always said I am too quite and I don't open up enough. One day I decided to share something I had just read and I found exciting and very interesting. It was about orcas having different cultures and different languages. So much that in different groups they don't communicate with the same sounds and can't understand a member of another group. I went on for 10 minutes all excited, thinking about what this means in terms of structure of the brain, in animals Vs humans, how this could change all we know about language and culture and communication and animal intelligence. I was so excited that I forgot to look at her face for a little. When I did I noticed she was extremely irritated. So I asked "is it everything ok?" And she answered "what you are talking about, would you tell me how is it useful in any possible way??!?" It wasn't useful, but it was interesting and exciting to me to understand other stuff and think about knowledge, culture, psychology, neuroscience. I had this new data to add to my previous and that changed my theories in other more exciting and more numerous theories, to analyze in order to arrive closer to the truth. But I wasn't able to explain it to her and answer "I just like to talk about this stuff" She shook her head a little and changed topic, talking about someone whom I didn't remember who had had something happening to them that I didn't care about (maybe a wedding, a baby, a fight with a relative, I really don't remember) (Please excuse my English, I'm Italian, not an English speaker)
This video is so helpful! And it's so accurate for me as an INFP and for all the people I know. I mean I don't really like to talk to XSTX types because they always talk about facts and stuff that is only on the surface and I feel like especially XSTJs are very fast in judging others so I want to protect them like "no, it's not vandalism. I like street art". And I really like to talk about deep philosophy stuff and selfcare and my feelings about it.
when you talked about the reason why everyone views the world differently because of everyone’s different ways of thinking, it really made me realize so much, thank you lol you’re so smart
ENFP here. I recently played a game where you communicate messages via intuitive pictures. My boyfriend (INFJ) and his best friend (INFP) IMMEDIATELY would understand what I was trying to say. A third friend (ISFP) was obviously puzzled how they got it so fast, but could then follow their logic quickly. I never felt so understood in my whole life. ❤
as an (I)NF(P), I love talking to NTs, they know so many things about so many different topics that I could spend a whole day just listening to them (that’s probably why my relationship with an INTP went better than my relationships with any ST I ever met)
"NT talk... Maybe one of the hardest kinds of talk to understand." Yep! That's me! -INTP Btw, anyone else notice how many INTPs have shown up in the comments section on this one? 👀 👋
As an INFP with an INTP son, I don't find his mode of thinking at all difficult to understand. If anything it seems fairly straightforward to me. I tended to find my ENFJ son to be the most challenging to understand, at least when he was younger.
Ug, you just explained my LIFE! I don't have these "concrete examples", I just know the vibe is bad and we need to fix it. 😆 I have such a hard time explaining myself. I do love self help and personal growth, so I find that super interesting that NFs are drawn to that! Definitely want to call in one day and talk functions. I could talk about this stuff for houuuuurrrrrs, but only in abstract form. 🤣 #enfp
Those comparisons actually helped me understand the thinking styles more than I ever have, lol. Thank you. And actually, as an NF, I communicate using comparisons a lot. Trying to explain something usually involves “okay you remember in this book/movie/life situation when this happened and this was the result? It’s sort of like that.” Also makes it easier to pick up on symbols and motifs when your mind is already there.
As an NF I always use metaphors to share my point of view, especially when I'm trying to help my friends through difficult times. They say it really helps and I actually usually manage to get my point across rather well but they usually think I'm being poetic and stuff, and I always take that as a compliment but the truth is mataphors aren't a way to appear fancy at all for me, just a very important part of my way of talking as it often is how I successfully manage to express my opinion. It might needs a bit to get used to but hey, if it works for my friends that's all that matters!
Firstly, explaining this as well as my boy FJ did, as an NF, was exceptional. Secondly, I would like to make a case for STs/SFs to work on their NT/NF since we NFs spend most of our lives forcing ourselves into the Sensory, it would be much appreciated if they would join us in our Intuition sometimes.
I doubt that'll ever happen in their 20s and 30s. In their 40s and upward, yes, because that's when there's more of a balance between the cognitive functions. But it would be nice if our sensory friend at least TRY to read between the lines and delve a little deeper.
F.J., please write a book. Many of your thoughts and conclusions should should be more widely published (more readily found). You can easily self-publish on Amazon, or I know a publisher who would love this topic. You really should :)
I teach high school, and I've started having my students find out their types at the beginning of the year. This helps me get a sense of what type of examples they might understand and if they'll talk in class or not. Soooo many of my honors kids are INFPs. I'm an ENFP so I'm all about wearing silly costumes and being dramatic. They at least usually get what I'm saying, but my concrete kids - I have to look up stuff in advance to use in class for them
Fun little story from an NF! So me, my ST friend, and a few others were assigned a group project together like last year. The instructions were to make the tallest standing tower out of pipe cleaners for ✨Teamwork Exercises✨ So we get to work and both of us had completely different ideas. My way would use 2 more pipe cleaners than hers, but it would be more stable. So of course our group picks res to try and save more pipe cleaners, and she also did a better, easier way of explaining it than I did. Come to realize in the end we had the shortest tower of then all by a few inches because we had to use 5-ish extra pipe cleaners to stabilize it. So note to all those others that could make a similar mistake, think about what could happen as a result of what the plan may come to. Do you want to risk an unstable tower, but have more pipe cleaners for future use. Or have a stable tower with a couple less pipe cleaners for future use. A plan might seem like it will fail because the speaker may not talk in a normal sense, but that doesn’t mean to then go for the loudest.
Man, that last part really hit home. I'm an ISTP and my wife is an INFJ. She's brilliant but sometimes I'm just looking at her like "what are you talking about??? What does that have to do with ANYTHING???" LOL!
It's absolutely worth learning how to communicate effectively in terms of ST (particularly in the professional space), but if anyone is wondering that's absolutely not to negate the power of the NF way of seeing things. I'm an INFP business analyst and I sort of see the NF element as helping me keep an appreciation on the true big picture (not to mention the soft skills side of it in terms of dealing with folks and getting them onside with me and riding the uh, wave of productivity together), and then you put on the ST hat for applying that big picture, breaking things down, and communicating effectively. Also, learn to love bullet points, active tense, and short sentences, and save all that fluid meandering stuff for some late night creative writing :)
Oh my gosh, I’m an NF type and have always struggled with explaining myself. Never knew this might be why. Thank you for shedding some light on that !! ☺️
I have wondered if I am intro or not for 29 years. Now I think I am a partially sociofobic ENTP. Thanks, Frank, for a very educational AND fun channel. Love your work. Stay bright and healthy!
It's a fact that Frank James gets thrilled when talking about the Fab four (either Beatles and functions)!!! I can catch the vibes through my screen ...they get straight to Italy! 💚🤍❤
Yes! I'm a 22 year old ENFP and my mom is an ESFJ or ESTJ and we tend to butt heads sometimes because we reason things out in different ways. I always argue on my feelings and emotions ( which haven't been great since the pandemic started, not gonna lie), and my mom always comes at me with logic and facts, which really do nothing to persuade me or make me feel better. In fact sometimes it just makes me more flustered and angry. Also, sometimes I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words, and I feel like sometimes I come across as irrational and she doesn't really understand what I'm saying. The only one who I feel like consistently understands me is my INFJ sister, and she usually ends up acting as a go-between because she seems to be able to articulate what I'm trying to say in a way that makes a little more sense, and then my mom knows how to approach me a little bit better and usually it blows over and we make up. My mom and I are actually pretty close
Predominantly and preferentially, I am INFP. I was a clinical psychologist/psychotherapist until I retired but I have taught, too, preferring experiential workshop formats. Frank, I am glad you pointed out that many of us can be flexible in the way we communicate (behave, think, follow rules). Being more E, S, T or J has always been possible for me BUT doing so is much more exhausting for me than my default setting.
This really helps me understand my mother's way of thinking. She's an st type while I'm in nf. This is probably why I've had so many difficulties communicating with her. I commonly refer to her as a "textbook" who just wants the facts and doesn't care about my emotions during discussions. Your explanation clearly describes my frustrations! I'll share this with her and see if she agrees but that you for helping me understand our relationship more!
at this point I feel like I know more about mbti than any school subject
Yeah. Frank makes it so easy to understand. And the ending of the video was cute with the blinking and disappearing😀
If you know the functions, you would be scholars enough in the personality types instead of just letter typing. Do you guys know the functions?
@@jjjazzy5026 yeah I do, no need to make a competition out of everything
Lol same here
@@mikamikamikamik oh that wasn’t supposed to come off that way. I proposed if you knew the functions (fe, fi, ne, ni, etc.) than you would know the utmost in it. I ain’t a pro in any way LMAO and I asked if you did know it, I swear there was no malice behind it. My asking is very impersonal trust me
1:06- ST
1:58-SF
3:03-NT
4:22-NF
Here are the timestamps for your type.
only 4? Yes, since there are only 4 types. Therefore, he did all of them.
thank youu
@@flexfootball6462 lol ikr
@@flexfootball6462 Yeah your right about that. My mistake
Bless you time stamps person
NT: "I'm having a hard time explaining it."
Story of my life. Like can't everyone see how it connects and then you start explaining how every little fact connects and how you reached your whatever conclusion and then you realize "wow, that's ...well...actually a lot of facts, sorry." 😅 So either you talk a lot and put that whole megalomind map down or you don't talk at all. If you can't explain it right, don't even start.
-INTP
I find most of my communications as an NT often end with the inquiry: Does that make sense?
This is so accurate.
Ustedes pueden explicarlo porque yo no puedo y lastimosamente siempre termino en un: olvídalo o balbuceos.
So, could you explain your thoughts because I can't and unfortunately I always said: forget it or I start to said vowels without any sense
@@ivanairineo3038 Sí, soy NT y me ha pasado demasiadas veces que empiezo a hablar y a mitad me doy cuenta que será inútil pues con quienes estoy hablando no entenderán los puntos que intento conectar y tan solo me doy por vencida. No es solo una cuestión de lógica pero tampoco sé explicar a veces cómo he llegado a una conclusión y transmitirlo.
That's very true! I'm INTJ and mostly don't tell people what I'm thinking at a given time, partly because even though the leaps happen fast in my own head like pinballs bouncing around, when I try to explain how my train of thought went from A to B it requires adding in sooo many connecting dots via facts that I'm afraid I'll lose their attention. Or I end up staring pleadingly halfway through like, "You know what I mean, don't you?"
NF: thinking about one thing isn't enough, how about combining everything together and we'll see.
Exactly! [INFP]
And then someone ask you something. "Sorry? What did you say?". Finally we're back to the real world. INFJ here.
Yes.
~INFP
i feel exposed 😶ENFP
we had to do something in a lab and the one doing the test had to be calm. i proposed to be the "victim" of all that and my lab partner was like "can you even feel calm? everytime i look at you i think of a squirrel, thinking about six things at the same time"
i was surprised, usually people find me too relaxed/ not concerned enough/ boring xD But she got a nice comparison ahahah HOW ABOUT THINKING AT EVERYTHING AT ONCE?!
IKEA instructions are clearly not made by any ST users.
Facts.
I’ve never had trouble with IKEA stuff. I think the instructions are really clear and easy to “read”. I’m an ENTP. Perhaps it’s made by NT people ;).
😅
@Harshi K me too :D
.... I never actually read the instructions, so I can't comment. ENFP here 😬
As NF I usually write down key points before serious conversations, otherwise.. I just emotionally float from one thought to another forgetting what this conversation is about.
I do this too as an INTP - my life is just a never-ending series of "oooh what about this though" thanks auxiliary Ne
When i am preparing for a conversation i think of things i want to say and how i’m gonna say them. And i always end up saying only one or two of the things I planned saying.
Yes! I also write things down. My mind goes blank or chaotic whenever my emotions kick in 😑
@@TheStarryPath same here😑 I would always lose against my ST ex whenever we had a serious conversation. I would get choked up on my emotions and he would remain cold and factual
I do this whenever I have presentation, even the smallest thing I will write down so that I know the flow and won't deviate away from the all main points but some people just don't understand why I did what I did, they will be like "why do you even write that down?"
*NT:* What if Mars became it's own independent nation after we colonise it?
*NF:* That would suck. There'll be a lot of unnecessary hate between the interplanetary community
*ST:* how tf do you all know what it will be like if Mars became independent? Focus on the real world!
*SF:* This is scary and weird I hate this conversation
That sums it up 😌
Your comment made me realize I'm an NT
I've had this exact thought at least twice in my life
-INTP
@@sviestassviestuotas5081 Same! Also an INTP
Asimov knows
The main strength of NF communication, though, is that if the focus is on the other person, the other person will feel understood to a degree that's difficult for the other communication styles to reach.
I concur! Those who seem to attempt to “get me” without wallowing in an inferiority complex are all NFs.
Very true. The NF awareness is really helpful to help others see things differently.
Yea my friend is INFP and when we have conversation I fell like he understod me and my weird theories. I'm INTJ.
@@magdalenahrg INFPs: the perfect person if you need someone to say "Yeah, I got you" to you 😂🤙
And it's just sad that other types can't fully grasp what we (NFs) really want to say. Uhmm, maybe I should be contented with my NF friends... 🤧🤣
I'm an INTJ. A common struggle for me follows the following sequence of events.
1. Have what I believe to be a very simple idea or concept.
2. Decides to put it into written words.
3. Realizes I've already typed 3 paragraphs and have only just provided background info for the sake of context so far.
4. Attempts to summarize my thoughts because nobody wants to read a wall of text.
5. Somehow still manages to write an essay while trying to explain what I had thought was a "simple idea".
6. Accepts the fact that people won't want to read it, but still sends it because somehow an hour just went by and I don't want to feel like I just wasted an hour.
(Realizes I intended for this comment to be half of its current size and facepalms.)
Don't stop ever being yourself, trying to express your Thoughts or ideas. The world needs Deep People, the world is Dying of Superficiality.
dude this is literally me lmao. from what I’ve seen it’s common for xNxJs to (a) take much longer to explain something than anticipated and (b) try to make it understandable/readable/to the point for other people.
As an INTP, yeah same here! My Ne tells me all the ways that someone could misinterpret what I say so I overexplain things.
People tell me it makes me seem less confident and to trust myself more, but I'm like, "I trust *myself,* I don't trust my audience to interpret me correctly."
At least you're consistent! :D
I'm an INTJ and I like to be concise. I hate when people take my time with crap phrases like "the reason why is because".
Here's what I've come up with:
ST - an instruction manual (explained facts - concise and tangible)
SF - a book/movie review (illustrated facts - dramatic but tangible)
NT - a philosophy/psychology essay (explained feelings - concise but intangible)
NF - a poem/song/religious sermon (illustrated feelings - dramatic and intangible)
Yes I'm an ST and yes concise and to the point. To much talking and I get confused.
Maybe instead of "feelings" it should be "ideas" for the NT and NF.
Funny that when my ISTJ teacher speaks I don't understand nothing and I have to study by myself to pass the class
that makes sense
when he said NFs feel like they’re talking past people for most of their lives i never felt more seen
I dont get it, what is 'talking past people' mean? sorry im not native english speaker
@@memo-ct3lq it basically means that you are talking about one thing, but people believe you are talking about another thing. So they're not really understanding what you're saying at all
@@lightstorm19 ohh thanks now I get it
Same :) After years of trying/wanting to feel understood, incl studying psychology, and only having rare moments of feeling understood, I just decided to put that on hold to learn how to ask people questions. Voila, when you ask and listen, people feel so understood, they feel loved, they love me, and I get to help other people feel seen like I like to feel. Its like it multiplies that good feeling :). Ha, this took about 15 min to compose to look at it from every angle to do my best for it to not offend, to say what I mean, to help etcetc etc :)
As an ENFP, I relate to this strongly
NTs brain is a confusing world, not even NTs ourselves understand it sometimes, we just go with the flow of thoughts to see where it leads us (intj here)
INTP here, I tend to gravitate towards associative thinking. There is a train of thought, only the connecting pieces are hard to track. Instead of focusing on the real world, I prefer fiction. You can still argue and test hypothetical situations in stories disconnected from reality.
As an intp, being intp is so hard. Always thinking always an idea, solution,problem,real life and .... just so endless.
we are have a big entanglement in our minds. So we can’t speak just so normally. Argh! It’s just so haaard.
As an INFJ I so relate to all y’all!!! I do the same thing with the flow of thought train leading me somewhere I’m not even clear of where I’m heading until I arrive 😂. Maybe I’m a weird one because my F/T are a 50/50 split, but so are J/P 😂 . The tests always label me FJ. I get both so intrinsically 😂 My IN is much more solid at 51%/53% respectively. I was given a caveat that my type is not able to be determined because I have more than one in the 50-54%, but INFJ was given anyway 😂
😰 Am I a two type Timmy, uuhhhh make that a four type Freddie...six type Sally...eight type Emmy???🥴😱
Noooooooooooo, may it never be!!
Who am I????
FJ’s gonna have a field day with this. 🤦🏼♀️
Facts
I can relate. There is no way society will ever understand us. We always think about things that most of people never think about. Im an intj too. Life is tough, and I like it. but you know what's tougher? To properly explain something abstract to someone, but I just realized that even tho you explain it so well, people will still perceive it differently, so it's a waste of energy. We are all different, no need to explain ourselves.
Me, an NT: *trying to explain an abstract/nebulous concept*
My mom, an SF: 👁👄👁
Even as an NF I can relate. My mom is an ISFJ.
It's like me and my best friend. I'm INTJ, she's ISFJ.
Haha! I’m ISFJ and hubby is INTJ. Communication is rough. 🤣
An then your father is an ST. And all family conversations end "bad", bacause all 3 talk a different language :/
@@sarahwebster1624 omg I totally get this! I’m ESFJ and my bf is INTP, always talking about philosophical stuff 🤪
"I don't understand what you're trying to say" is one of the things i hear the most 😅
~ENFP
me too or they just look at me like what the hec are you talking about and Ill recognize that facial expression and then Ill get mad cause i have to repeat myself
I always get the feedback after job interview that actually the interviewer didn't get what I'm talking about, and ask me to make some points in the first sentence before I explaining more things :")
I am INFP and I also hear that a lot hahah it's sad that some people got so used to how cofusing the things I say are, that they don't even try to understand anymore
And then I have to pause for like a minute and gather my thoughts and explain it in a way that makes sense to them. I like to use metaphors and examples
Me too :(
As an NT type, I spaced out at some point during this video and started thinking about something else.
Me too. But I'm an NF with ADHD.
Same
That happens way too often though
Not only during this video
- Me, an INTJ
Ahhaha this is so accurate
same
SAME🤷🏻♂️-INTP
ST - engineer stuff
SF - marketing trend stuff
NT - philosophy/theme analysis stuff
NF - abstract and self-help stuff
NF should have said teaching and architecture not wishywashy self help and abstract.
@@GMiller75
Both
Thank you!!
Nf also likes philosophy
I wouldn't say that... ST more like accountant stuff... engineering at least some forms of engineering require a lot of creativity and guessing and a lot of times it's intuition about the basic design that's most important and the details get filled in later.
Frank: whoo even right now I can't say how an NT talk exactly is
Me, an ENTP: yes... because... pickles
Yeah that's so true. I am an INTJ and sometimes even I don't know I how I get to the right result so quickly, and it's not even a fluke! 😂
He nailed it for entp
Love your pfp!
OMYGOD I WOULDVE SAID THE EXACT SAME THING. PICKLE IS THE PERFECT WORD TO THROW SOMETHING OUT OF CONTEXT, ENTP GANG
Pickles explain everything.
As an NT, I don’t talk unless you’re wrong 😂 if I agree, there is no reason for me to say anything
There is one exception to this: if you agree with the person, but he/she didn't demonstrate properly the thesis (which YOU can way better demonstrate). In that case you will enter in a rage of logical explanation, because as Nietzsche once said, "one particularly vicious way to smear an idea is to defend it for bad reasons".
@@lesubtil7653 Thank you for that, wanted to complete the initial comment. Also when they say the right thing, but they don't explain why, how, what, where, when, and all of the facts that make their answer right. It frustrastes me when they're just like "yeah that's this", I always use my full knowledge on the topic to prove that I'm right so it frustrates me when they don't😌
INTJ here. Are you me?
so relatable. It’s actually something I’m trying to work on because it really gets in the way of my connections and creates unnecessary grudges, but damn is this habit hard to overcome. :(
FACTS. Its like people just a s s u m e entps start fights out of nothing. We start fights out of tiny loopholes you accidentally leave out, we focus on that, we set the trap and we wait.
NF: "emotional reaction"
YESSS
I've just begun really learning what being an INFP means, but YESSS. I do notice that when I'm having a deep conversation, I'm speaking from an emotional place. So I don't really know where I'm going with what I'm saying, I'm so focused on what I feel.
As he says it's not the most clear way, but those close to me seem to appreciate that open and emotive way of being :)
Lol I also talk like that!! But I kinda don't mind if I don't need to speak eloquently, its kinda like an art waiting to be finished everytime I talk lol
I am speaking like that too!!
And sometimes, when I look back at a conversation I had, I have hard time understanding myself 😂😂
@@Natalie-hd2tc As I'm speaking after awhile I'll ask myself what's my point lol🤣 Like i don't even know where I'm going with it but the emotion that's carrying me through hasn't been fully expressed yet so we're gonna keep going hahaha
📯🙆🏿♂️🤳🏿
@@rubyb7252 YES. I hate it sometimes because I pretty much never feel like I’ve fully explained what I’m feeling so that people can understand. I always try to say it in different ways or find different words that feel closer to what I want to say but I can never find them because I don’t even really know exactly what I want to say, so I end up repeating the same thing like 3 times before I just give up lol
"I'm going to wing it"
Entps on things they should not wing*
Me during the entirety of college so far
The better part
Hits way too close to home lmao
Yesss
The ENxPs give me so much anxiety.
Especially my ENFP sister. She wings everything. 😭
Have a beautiful day!
-An INFJ
@@yesthatisababytoucan.youre6983 Are you sure that she wings everything or you just have too many plans for one thing and everything? LOL No offence, I'm an INFJ too you see.
Anyways, Hamiltion told Washington that we shouldn't help you with your war! I'm SORRY!!!
NF here and spot on....I don’t feel like I can ever get my point across in a clear way for
Others to understand without sounding like a complete weirdo. I can do it better over the written word, kinda ☺️. Love the tips!
Hahaha i feel you 100%. Which type r u?
Omg same! I feel a lot better to communicate what I got in mind by writing rather than speaking. I'm infp btw ✌
i relate 😔
Same. People look at me weird when I verbalize my thoughts. But they love my writing.
That is why as an ENTP I love you NFs, the conversations are never ever dull with you guys. And as an intuitive I can understand were you are coming form, but in mind I imagine that if there was a sensor eavesdropping that sensor would be utterly confused and I find it hilarious.
Anyway, while it is good to focus on making more sense to everyone, it is an useful skill, I love you guys for the content of what you say, not how it is said. So many people focus on how things are said, that fail to understand the message trying to get across, and while you guys struggle with getting the point across the content of what you say is truly amazing. NFs always have so many unique and interesting perspectives that other types would either feel like they are not allowed to have or would not share it. So despite all your flaws (everyone has them) NFs are amazing for what you have to offer in other areas, such as emotional depth and the love for deeper conversations, and as I said there is never a dull moment with you guys.
Basically, NFs like to speak in what I call 'snake-talk,' which kinda loops around subjects like an idealistic anaconda.
We can hear your emotional heartbeat.
And we act accordingly.
LOL, 'idealistic anaconda' - YES! So me. It isn't that I am trying to beat around the bush, I'm just trying to make sure I'm not leaving anything out. Also, while knowledgeable about the roots and the leaves and the interface of these things with the elements beyond and I can trace the branches, I am not always sure where the trunk is and hope that you can help me out with that. *'you' here of course being whomever is my chosen conversational partner
wow 👏👏👏 I just love how you worded this. NFs can hear my emotional heartbeat? **starts sweating** ENTJ emotional heartbeat: **dialup sounds**
@@lowkeychillionaire3213 *hugs*
there, there.
love the term " idealistic anaconda". Thank
I’m officialy going to writre ”idealistic anaconda” on my resume now
Me an INFJ: I can communicate like an ST, I am so logical and detailed.
Also me: Yeah, so that octagon thing doesn't go with the star thing. You have to use the medium star shaped thing. I actually have a self help book, that really helped me to defeat my fears of power tools. I can gift you the audio book, that way it's easier. It's a really good book, that captures the struggles we all face when using power tools. Trust me. You'll have this cabinet built in no time 👍
Wow, is there a book to help defeat fear of power tools like portable grinders and portable circular saws? Because I hate those tools, there are extremely noisy, dangerous as hell, and can throw impossibly hot sparks of death! Show me!
I'm ENFP, by the way XD
As infj I have absolutely no idea what I just read but it somehow makes perfect sense😅
As an ST - Thanks! I hate it
INFJ here...I love power tools!!! I use most of em...compound miter saws, circular saws, nail guns, drill/drivers, tile saws, etc. I’m an odd duck...no box ever fits me 😂 I just make my own with openings...don’t fence me in!
I don't know anything about power tool, but somehow this still makes sense
Growing up, I was always told “quit being logical” “quit looking for meaning” “quit adding logic” or “it’s not that deep” . I was always asking why did the world work the way it does and why do people act the way they do.
Intj since birth
I relate with you on a spiritual level.
Lol when I was younger my go to question was why. No one could convince me to do anything, unless they explained to me logically the reasons behind it. Thank god my mum is an NF type, that adapted to my way of thinking and respects it.
Good job man I'm still trying to find common ground
This always happens to me
okay folks i got a question for you: i think i am an infj, but throughout my life I've experienced the same. always tried to make logic of the world's biggest secrets.. so my question is: am i an intj? like, idk.. is it possible that infjs can also be "logical" like intjs?
people: so what’s going on
me as an INFJ: not even gonna try to explain
lmao same. at some point in my life i just stopped trying lol
Yes
My response is always the same "nothing much" or "you don't want to know"
INFJ: Ehhh, it's complicated... 😕
Aww!! INFJs always catch me off guard with their wisdom abstract concepts. You're precious and must be protected at all costs. But yes, there'll be time for that later, so just let me do the explaining - ENTJ
I often find myself telling people "that's not a fact. That's an interpretation of the facts. Here's a better interpretation." --INTP
As an INTJ, this comment is relatable on a multidimensional level.
True, I learned a better way to tell them a better option without disregarding my opinion and not be misunderstood as someone judgemental who keeps telling them their wrong. Unless they truly are wrong. -INTP
Here I am, having eloquent sentences written in my head, but unable to articulate with the elegance I wish to emulate. And still I continue to try to learn several other languages while barely being able to communicate in just one. Such is the woes of me, an INFP. 🙃🤣
Hello fellow INFP that can relate to my struggles in life ^^
Same! I speak 2 languages and I'm learning 2 more because I want to be misunderstood in 4 languages.😁
Yeah, it's like the Mona Lisa in your head, comes out your mouth as a stick figure.
(I'm INFP too.)
Lmao, I am a infp and I'm currently in college learning English and my first language is French and when I was younger I learned French sign language (don't ask me why I was obsessed with this all my childhood)... But I am still unable to explain myself in any of those languages, worst I speak all 3 of them at the same time because the word I'm looking for in French or English or whatever doesn't have the impact that I want so I'm telling it in the other language because it seems better. So yeah... I don't know how to communicate XD
Me as a NT talking with my boy.
He: I gonna hug your back.
Me: That's how predators catch their prey.
That's so cute. 🤗
As an NT, this is how my mind works as well. Hilariously relatable.
Who says you can't flirt with logic?
Ideas for some videos:
16 personalities dealing with children
16 personalities getting ready for work
16 personalities doing their hobbies
16 personalities under pressure
16 personalities showing affection (I WONDER how THAT video will come out XD)
Also 16 personalities after an embarrassing situation
16 personalities being difficult
16 personalities reacting to bullying
*16 personalities showing affection*
INTP: I love you, but I don't want to show it in public cuz (whispering) too much unnecessary attention!
@@NerdyCatCoffeeee ENTP shoeing affection: hey bichy bimbo i like ya booty , that be treasure you know (in ENTP's mind:why the fuck i always end up offending when showing affection)
@@catoams exactly what i thought.... time and effort must be respected though, some are great ideas , some are not exactly something that should be turned into a video XD i like them anyway. I would want to see alot of them like the "16P on whether to create clones of themselves, have kids or go out of their way to prevent it from happening" and "16P all having to work together and taking part of the same project or big brother / drawn together type setting" and alot more.
as an ISTP, showing affection is impossible.
Oh god imagine being the NF child and having ST parents- if anyone is going through that, i wish you the best of luck.
I had that. It was brutal, but it got me far in a way as I learned to do stuff their way and see things through their eyes. I've done well despite the bruises. I guess I can thank them for helping me work on my weaker functions
@@magicalgirl7903 Woah! It must have been so hard, but you still found a good thing despite it! >
Ha! Yes! That was me. On top of that, they were abusive. Thriving for me has been an up hill climb.
@@victoriousjoy9338 I hope you're away from them now! No one deserves to be abused :(
@@latiie Thank you! I'm much older now and they are gone. It was like being in a concentration camp. Thank you for your kind words! Thankfully my teachers and my aunt loved me and were kind. This was truly a saving grace for me.
When two NTs talk to each other, it's like Carl Jung is talking to Friedrich Nietzsche
When two NTs talk to each other, the world sings! The elation!
When two STS talk to each other
take cover.
I think that NT types make great translators for NF types
NTs ans NFs will click pretty easily.
We are click pretty easily. My bestie is NT. My colleagues worker who closed with me are NT too.
@@nodamekira8580 a1
This comment is so interesting bc me, an NF type, usually find myself translating what my brother, an NT type, says in religious context.... while he translates what I mean to say in work context xD
I know you're right, but as an ENFP I get so tired of being told that I'm always the one who has to change my communication style for others. I wish they could stretch their ears and their imaginations.
That's difficult. I'm an ISTJ and I've always felt it's my responsibility to listen carefully to people and try to understand. I also have an added issue of wearing hearing aids, which probably has meant i needed to look at people and concentrate when they speak to me.
It's easier for a tall person to bend than for a short person to levitate.
ST conversations are the best: They're over in 30 seconds top.
I am an ISTJ, and I always tell the facts. I love your comment. 💘
@@empresspalpatine8792 Same. I get really irritated with non STs friends on the phone because I feel like conversations always drag and go nowhere.
Hahaha and our SF conversations are the opposite: I could go on and on forever about the weather.... 😂
@@elizabetho7081 us SF are MASTERS of small talk 😂
@@noeliagutierrez4223 omg totally!!
I’m an INTJ, and I definitely find patterns in things that other people don’t see. I can’t explain how, it’s like my subconscious is constantly working and throwing in signals to my conscious mind and I come to these conclusions that, for the most part, end up being true. It can be patterns n the environment or people’s behavior. And it’s hard for me to explain how I got to the conclusion because the signals I receive aren’t... linear. It’s wibbly-wobbly timey-whimey.
My issue as an ISTP is that I often disagree with those conclusions, and even if I agree, more often I find them pointless to make, because they add unnecessary stress to life. One of my best friends is an INTJ and I feel this daily. I love y'all, but sometimes I think you're more interested in stressing yourself out over the future than actually doing what makes you happy right now.
I'm an INTJ too. I can totally relate with what you said. I like how the MBTI quiz helps people understand why are they the way they are, and if there are other people experiencing life like that. I thought I was crazy, but I was just an INTJ. lol
@@benjaminharmon6541 More often then not, I find that finding patterns comfort me. The only frustrating part is trying to explain them.
@@sun-wo9vp Exactly! I always thought I was broken, you know?
@@benjaminharmon6541 that's a fact, we really love stressing ourselves about the future. Why? Long-term thinking improves short-term decision making.
Your attitude toward time, your “time horizon,” has an enormous impact on your behavior and your choices. People who take a long-term view of their lives and careers (not short-term view) always seem to make much better decisions about their time and activities than people who give very little thought to the future. We want to work in the most efficient way and get the best results. We hate wasting time.
Let me show you a paragraph from "Eat that frog"- best selling book, by Brain Tracy - Chairman and CEO. (He's a very famous businessman and best-selling author) : "Successful people have a clear future orientation.They think five, ten, and twenty years out into the future. They analyze their choices and behaviors in the present to make sure that what they are doing today is consistent with the long-term future that they desire."
The ability to accurately predict the consequences of doing or not doing something is very important for a good future. We don't mindlessly do whatever we feel like doing. That why we "stress" about it. We are doing our best to be disciplined and focused, and it's not that easy to create this kind of habits, but it is possible with enough effort.
If you truly want an amazing future, you need to pay the price. That doesn't mean that you can't be happy everyday or sometimes do "fun things". We must trust and enjoy the process! :) I believe that a dream without a plan and sacrifices is just dream, but a dream with a plan and consistent action is a goal.
Edit: Honestly, I'm not surprised why we sometimes stress so much about so many things. (not just future)
Life is amazingly tough and I like it :)
The beauty of being an NT who communicates with another NT or NF, is that you can literally say "Have you seen the thing that i...yeah?" And be replyed with "yeah. The thing is on the, yeah." And actually have the thing be there🤣 and by thing i don't mean "X object" i mean incomplete sentences.🤣🤣🤣
DUDE YES lmaoooo. i’m an NF and one of my closest friends is an NT. sometimes we have entire conversations just looking at each other.
@@bebelmatson SAME🤣Afterwards we corroborate outloud if we were talking about the same thing and we always are!
On target again. As an NF child with a ST mother, I most often heard “ well, just spit it out”. I probably drove her mad starting my sentences out with “Ummm”, I realize now.
Same. My ST mother often dismissed my philosophical ramblings with, "I don't know what you're talking about."
Sammmmeeeeee...
~INFP here
life is kind strange when you’re an ST and your mom an NF
I'm a ST and it's just hit me i hate the Umm starts in others. But I never say anything and I just wait for them to tell me what they want. You just crystallised that thought to me.
@@youngcrone456 haha mine just falls asleep. I'll notice it and continue talking because I'm already on a train of thought and don't want to disrupt it
NT: one subject -> other part of subject
other types listening to NT: one subject -> totally different subject
As an INFP with both parents being ENFPs, I am just now beginning to understand how much of a gift that is. Yes we have our arguments, but for the most part the communication has always been easy :-) Although I was occasionally forced to miss school, because they thought it would be more fun to go to an amusement park :D
I'm really jealous I wish I had an ENFP mother
someone who would just let me be me and not try to force me into a box !
-ENFP
As an NF type sometimes I will start trying to make my point, realise I can't find the right words that would allow that person to understand, so I just give up and say never mind, and then get frustrated at myself for coming across weird. I'm going to start journalling my thoughts to hopefully get better at expressing my thoughts and emotions in words, as I usually am pretty decent at writing.
Amy, journaling is the best thing you can do, really. Not only improves your espression, it's a sort of meditation, cause writing is to put your psyche in front of you, it helps your consciousness to grow. It'll benefit you.
As an INFP, you hit me so hard I might as well just go cry in a corner
don't tell me that it hits me too and I'm crying rn -ENFPs
Why are you crying? He didn't even hit you that hard.
- ESTJs
As an Infj, this why I have learned to keep the philosophical, abstract stuff to only my intuitive friends. Sensors would just think I'm high or something when I try to communicate out all the random, unsorted stuff that's going through my mind 😂
😁 nice. Yes, it's best to communicate in a short yes/no fashion with sensors. 😌👌🏻🙌🏻🤘🏻👍🏻
Really?, I (INTJ) purposefully do it to bring change in their one dimensional thoughprocess. Suprisingly they still like me after that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Perceiving my ST friends like “table assemblage manual people” is surprisingly helpful for communication. Thank you for the lifehack.
NF, I often try to get my points across in an understandable way, but when people end up being unreasonable and difficult I just snap, and I never fully get my point across, because people aren’t usually willing to listen to what I have to say, which is probably why I’m so introverted. This was pretty spot on I would say.
This!!
I tend to get really frustrated too when I can't get my point across properly, and even though I realise that I am getting frustrated at my own inability, sometimes I worry if other people think I'm getting frustrated with them for not understanding, it's hard!
Honestly I'd say that adaptation is pretty easy for me just because I'm a literal chameleon
Honestly I'd say that adaptation is pretty easy for me just because I'm a literal chameleon
Honestly I'd say that adaptation is pretty easy for me just because I'm a literal chameleon
The fact that you are approaching this subject in this thorough way, proves once again that you are an absolute NF 😁
1. love the hair, it's stunning ✨
2. great video, please make more informative vids🙏
3. you should totally write a book (still waiting for the novel which you wrote the draft for)✍
4.should we expect Paul McCartney's typing video soon👀?
5. have a great day!❤️️
He's better with videos, than he would books.
My dad, an ESTJ, has writren a book and I recently got to read it. It’s the epitome of ST-comunication, haha! It’s fiction, but also an instruction manual. No lengthy descriptions about how the protagonist feels, about the surroundings, about the smells or sounds or sights. It’s basically just ”it was 06:30. The protagonist awoke. He was rested. He ate breakfast that was nutritious. Then he went to work. He arrived in time, then he made a cup of coffee”. Stating all nessecary facts. Nother more, nothing less.
One of my ex was an ESTJ and we got along really well actually. In fact, it was the best relationship I ever had (INFJ here). I miss her so much. 🙂
That's really interesting. I've got a book looming in my head and I have made some starts. I'm an ISTJ and I don't know if I have the mindset to do it, but I'm going to try. So what you said are valid points for me to keep in mind.
That was my writing style as a estj ( 96% introverted) in up to 20 then became an infj with 98% introvert 25 and up. Big difference in writing and spoken styles. I still speak very direct and factual and am very misunderstood still. Ppl put more meaning to what i am saying than is said. sooo frustrating bc i say what i mean
@@connieyoung4239 wow, I've been misunderstood often since I was a little girl and I've never understood it. I say things how they are, no fluffiness at all so I've never been able to understand it.
My bf is an ENTP, who studied IT and psychology. I am an jobless INFP, looking for a existential task for myself. It is hilarious how I communicate via bodylanguage and mimics and he's just a freakin good-hearted robot, who doesn't get it, until we talk it out.
I love the term good-hearted robot - also yes we are oblivious to some of the subtle NF cues (although not as bad as many STs I know) - Sincerely an INTP with an INFP best friend
An INFP here with an ENTP boyfriend and omfgs I’ve never related more 😭 I’m just here sending him looks or smthing and he tries so hard to understand what I feel or mean, but in the end he thinks logically and all, so he’s just there like 😀😫
@@ravinmarokef, INFPs are good with such analogies because of abstract thinking. I'm ISFJ-T, so I'm more direct and don't use abstract thinking.
INFP here with an ENTP boyfriend and he has a hard time understanding why my emotions take so much place in my life. Sometimes I get too bottled up in my emotions and I fear being rejected because of them so I just cry in a corner and it pisses him off, he always tell me to just come to him and cuddle when I'm feeling bad. Because handling emotions is too tiring for him and it doesn't need to take so much time and efforts in his eyes, which I understand better now that I know he's ENTP lol he's such a good support though because he helps me rationalise things that seems so huge to me but that aren't so serious in reality, and he's very patient. But yeah overall he's not good at getting my emotions if I don't speak them out haha.
@@nhinhon 🤗
I am an ENFJ and my brother is an INTP, so you can imagine that we talk alot about phylisophical matters, but it often ends in frustration and I am starting to understand why that happens more after I've looked into the communication between the two types. I end up talking about how I feel and how it would make others feel and what things mean, while he is alot less focused on that aspect of things. So he ends up thinking that I am being irrational With my thoughts, and I think he's ignoring such an important side of things, and I feel extremely missunderstood and it could hurt my feelings how he doesn't seem to care about them, while I care so much about his, being an ENFJ and all lol.
I also have always felt like I speak in circles, and when I write an essay for school, for example, I often get off topic and find it hard to get to the point, I usually write the essay, then rewrite it in a more clear way lol. And now I see that it has to do with being an NF type. I am ALWAYS wishing there were more people that get me...
Thanks for reading my rant...
You just described my relationship with my brother. Im an ENFP and he is an INFJ. yeah.
My sisters are INTP and ENFP and they used to always argue in the way you described. The good thing is that they learned to understand each other now. Hopefully that is what happens with you too
@@noeliagutierrez4223 thanks!
I’m an ENFJ and I get this SO much! My husband is an ENTJ and we often argue the same thing, but in different ways and think we’re disagreeing 😂.
"I feel extremely missunderstood and it could hurt my feelings how he doesn't seem to care about them, while I care so much about his, being an ENFJ and all"
And you will probably eventually find out that your brother being an INTP means that you care about his feelings way more than he cares about his feelings. :)
And no card at the end. The blinking and disappearing was adorable though.
As an INFJ...I'm hoping I'm accidentally adorable like Frank sometimes.
its a little linky popup in text insted.
as an NF, yes! It’s kinda sad tho, cuz every time I tried to help my sensor friends with their emotional problems they just went like “that’s not gonna work 😐” lmao
Yeah. Like NTs they get suspicious whenever your help is failing (from their point of view which is what makes this so hard to get across in NF language, no?) to match their view of the world.
I think NFs are simply amazing because they're so well balanced. If they've been taught from a young age how to accept themselves, they can truly shine even in environments where you'd expect more of the thinking/logical types to flourish/dominate. 🙂
You opened my eyes!
I just remembered when I was a kid, my father would refuse my requests until I learned his way to discuss and I'd make a prova before talking to him.
So, I was thinking as an NF then rethinking as an ST to make it makes sense. I stoped doing that, since I own my decisions.😐💔
As an ENFJ (so NF communicator) this video made me realize how hard I’ve worked and how far I’ve come to make sense when I’m talking to people. I’m a scientist now but I remember at the beginning of my training I used to get feedback that I was too ambiguous or not getting to the point. Now I communicate much more like an NT but only after working at it and making an effort.
Ah yes. The NT's get so frustrated when you're pondering thoughts even though you already have the solution in mind. 🤭😝😌🤗💜🙌🏻
Frank, you are not only talented, funny, wise, intelligent, perceptive, nuanced, and generous, you are kind, & that is what has spoken to the many hearts and minds that have seen your videos. No doubt, your engaging and honest look at the different types have given hope and freedom to a great number of people. Well done and thank you. 🙂
Yes! Yes!!!
Agree with this 1000%.
For NFs, in giving concrete examples, I use my own/other people's experiences, situations based on the person I'm talking to, or even from news and contemporary issues when explaining then is/are paired with reasoning and facts as to why I think or said something in particular. Connecting the abstract to something others can easily image and perceive. I saw that others understand me easily when I do that.
I've been trying to consciously control myself to switch into different N/S, T/F, J/P based on what is best in the situation. So far, I'm able to do ST and NT, as well as SF thought it takes more effort and a feeling of uncomfortableness since it's like I'm going out of my own comfort zone. But I believe I can understand, connect and build more harmonious relationships with others if I learn myself through this. I'm using MBTI ti understand and improve myself.
-sincerely, an INFP who believes in your potential.
Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony...
aw shit here we go again
When you say NTs like to jump ahead, you got it spot on. When I talk to my ENTP best friends, other people seem to find it hard to follow the conversation. We fill in the blanks in our heads and we don't find it necessary to say those steps out loud because most of the times, there is only one logical answer for that step and we can automatically move on to the next one without discussing it.
Im an intp and Im amazed at how this universe working in an unseen, unexpected and very smooth and thin way that somehow and often ppl dont realize it, almost like a system and its very hugeeeee and complex but its very cool... what I mean is not about the solar system or gravity but the connection between human, nature, animals, earth, plants, etc etc etc
Anyway as an NT myself I agree with you, sometimes I find it hard for myself to articulate my mind to even explain and make other people understand, ppl often say that my words are too high to reach, too high to understand lol, good video :)
I understood exactly what you were saying. And you said it very well. I'm an NF and I definitely prefer NT communication to SF!
INTJ here. I love watching these types of videos and feeling understood for once
So basically if they were to be viewed as types of movies they'll be :
ST: real world practical stuff
NT: science fiction but still is scientific and applies to the laws of the universe
NF: completely out of the ordinary , magical , fantasy stuff
SF: a family movie or drama
Haha, the end. 😂 It was so spontaneous!
Btw, Happy World Introvert Day.
I think INFJs who came from abusive family backgrounds can absolutely communicate in concrete facts and rational, logical arguments. Especially if they spent their childhood fending off gaslighters and other dirty, emotionally manipulative attackers. They had to hone those critical thinking skills to keep their sanity and just survive.
Definitely can when you go in that cold mode
same for ENFP. I think it's the xxNFxx types vs the xxSTxx
NF types rely on their own ideas and not on some established authority
As an NT, I click a lot with NF's.
Same. ENTP and my favourite people tend to be INFPs and ENFPs
You guys are amazing too:)
As an infp i generally really like NTs! You guys are great
Same. I get along with NFs and other NTs most easily. STs and SFs are basically incomprehensible aliens, IMO.
As an INTJ, my best friends are an INTP and an ENFP. I don’t click well with sensors, I tend to do a lot better with intuitives. My other (untyped) best friend just tried to slurp my phone, so I... I think I should probably go now.
I spend so much energy worrying about being misunderstood, I end up thinking the conversation out in advance and explain too much …and almost certainly end up sounding even more weird to other types lol
INTP? 🤔
@@alexandrugheorghe5610 INFJ 😊
Bruh same. Even when I’m writing a comment on TH-cam I reread it multiple times to make sure there’s no way anyone can misinterpret it🥲
ST: "How does concrete reality work?"
SF: "How is concrete reality valued?"
NT: "How do patterns of meaning work?"
NF: "How are patterns of meaning valued?"
INTJ
O.o thanks!
you just told us how the pattern of the video work
Your comment is so INTJ in itself that the "INTJ" in the end isn't needed
I are INTJ, and I approve this message.
me, an xnfp reading the one about Nf: 👁👄👁
no but seriously idk what it means by patterns and value of patterns, what even are patterns. Tf is happening
I couldn't concentrate because I started to focus on your passion about teaching how a NF communicates. You really put your heart on it and it's inspiring.
Regards from another INFJ
Exactly as an infj, i totally got satisfied with his way of talking about infj and his passion and his complete explanations!
INTP here, I always want to make rules and systems that apply to all scenarios. My goal would be to have one logical system that applies to everything... which is definitely impossible but it doesn't stop me from trying to generalize. NFs understand that generalization so we can talk on the same level. Even though their systems tend to be very different in structure from mine, it's mind blowing when we can match them up and agree on something. STs and SFs make me feel like I'm experimenting on them or something, trying to figure out their general patterns when they don't really think that way haha, especially SFs who seem very confusing and inconsistent to me. I do love trying to figure out what makes them tick though.
An entp as me will try to debunk all your rules
@@Huspree2011 we try to find order in chaos. If you look at the bigger picture, you can extract the logic of everything. It requires to look from a different perspective, sometimes from a far distance. Then you see the patterns. Discrepancies make people hurry up into conclusions sometimes. I still need my fingers to count to 10
@Dark Shadow a bunch of rules we should follow to make things works as it should work . if that makes sense
This made me genuinely laugh since my whole life my INTP sister has been trying to figure me out (an ISFJ) always asking me to explain why I think or do certain things. When I explain something related to FE function I can see her taking mental notes 😂
@@Huspree2011 Math can be pretty great if there are only a few basic tenets you need to know in order to do a problem. For example, almost all the math in physics can be boiled down to a few basic equations, and you can just derive the rest. For college level math like differential equations, there are often a ton of different techniques for solving problems which stops being fun and starts becoming awful. I hate having to memorize a bunch of different things.
Jung said the feeling function is rational (because it refers to values) but not logical. He made that distinction.
Irrational types are those led by a primary perception function. The other 2 types are rational.
As an INFP, Jung nailed it - on that matter as well as nearly anything else he ever wrote.
Yeah. I think part of the problem is the way the word feeling is typically used in English is understood to mean emotions. We all have emotions. Feeling in the cognitive typology sense really is a *type* of thinking. Just ethically and morally focused thinking and less formalized.
I really thought this is one of another 16 Personality Comedy Skits from your boy FJ.. Hahaahaaa
Another educational video though ✨
I always look forward to those :) :)
Always.. Hahahahaa
Me NF: this is how I feel
Dad ST: I don't know what that means
NT- e=mc2
ST= 1+1=2
NF- social constructs
SF- beer pong
❤️ your local ESFP
Interesting that you mention social constructs for NFs. I'm an agender panromantic asexual INFJ, so 😅 existing against social constructs.
@@Ace_Maus you goof those are all social constructs :) just of a subgroup
When you really get down to it, isn't beer pong just a social construct though?
@@chrisserrific woooooooo!!!! I’ll drink to that! Shots! Shots! Shots!
e=mc^2*
An INTELLIGENT person - of any type - can tailor their communication
THANK YOU
Im typed INTP and INTJ sometimes..
When explaining a fundamental concept at work i have to draw it out for people and write it down because no one can understand what I'm trying to explain. I have a bad habit of explaining the theory when people just want to know the answer. Nothing annoys me more than people coming to me every 5 minutes asking me a similar question because if they took the time to learn the concepts they would be more independent and not distract me from my work all the time.
You just described meee at wooork.
Edit: (I'm an epidemiologist)
I feel you, started drafting stuff at work or just in general while explaining because people could not follow my thought process or results without visualization.
No one ever wants to know why or how anymore, just what and when. And maybe where.
sounds debatable, also there are people who want to know why
Meanwhile, I find it much harder to learn and retain things without the theory / why. If I can learn the underlying concepts then I have a source of answers for related situations instead of one answer that works only in a much more limited range of circumstances.
Do a vid of NTs speaking normally or pensively and then shots of how the SFs, STs, NFs are listening to them.. and vice versa.. sort of depict how breaks in communication between the types happen..
Begin making videos of the types interacting.. you could potentially boost your subscribers bc other youtubers basically do this with movie or show clips..
I know exactly what face my ST ass would be making at those NTs...
I approve this
Yes!! I think the few videos where FJ has had some limited interaction between types were big hits!
OMG this is such a great idea! It would really help close the gaps and for people to actually be able to understand each other!
This is an excellent, high-returns discussion you've booted open here. Possibly one of the more actively useful typology videos anyone's released lately, so thank you!
To nail down your slight flail about NT users, as a high NT user, I see it as this: possibility. We see and observe the straight facts of the "real world" (S) but it's a means to an end - they're merely the bouncing board for first pattern-matching (something we INTPs spend an inordinate portion of our lives doing), then extrapolating those patterns into projections. The real joy and energy is in playing with the possibilities. ENTP: "Let's argue all these possibilities from every angle to expand them to their limits." INTP: "Let's collect ALL OF THE POSSIBILITIES and apply them as systems/scaffolding for the world." INTJ: "Let's run all these possibilities through a gauntlet, then methodically nurture the winner." ENTJ: "Let's identify the most obvious possibilities, then execute them beautifully as a team." In the end, we've all "run simulations" in our heads using available information, applied experience and logic, and honed them as tools to approach the world around us. It's why other types might find us frustrating to communicate with. We speak in future tense, in opportunity, in a constant mode of needing to make things better. INTP and ENTP especially are playful with this, and the more I see this, the more I realise I spend LITERAL HOURS with INTP and ENTP friends talking shit about absolutely nothing but concepts and 'what-if' and feeling weirdly energised instead of having an introvert hangover.
TL;DR: NT = possibilities.
I love this analysis because my best friend is INTP and I’m INFJ. We’ve been friends over 20yrs. so she has helped me develop my “T” a lot, her and I have amazing discussions about possibilities all the time. She’s very much “possibilities” and I’m “possibilities for people.” That difference brings balance to a lot of things, as she feels like she’s discovers new possibilities when I speak about value and she helps me to make sure I have my data collected and presentable in a concrete way. But, we will also talk hours about possibilities of anything including anime show crossovers with their lore, lol 😂
This is a really good explanation that you made. I’m an ENTJ and the only problem I saw was that when ppl talk about ENTJs specifically they tend to make them sound like leaders of a team or company in some sort of way. Not all ENTJs are bosses so not all of them think that way. While we do tend to think on what is most efficient it is not necessarily linked to a team. Just wanted to put that in there.
@@priscilamenjivar6741 This is an awesome clarification, thank you! My dealings with ENTJs and ESTJs have all been managers that seem to have licked a power pole at some point in their lives, so my perception definitely skews to that stereotype. High energy leaders. But it does make sense that the real function beneath that presentation is efficiency - minds that see endless possibilities for efficiency or improvement...as opposed to INTPs who just endlessly expand possibilities for the fun of it (spot the P).
@@Karla_wthaK I have similar sorts of discussions with INFJ friends! For some reason my interests have skewed into people (am author, will obsess), and there's awesome crossover. I always feel like I'm brute-forcing my way through the conversation and subsequent understanding by levering typology, an intimate knowledge of pop psych in general, and overlaying a system while INFJs seem to just inherently and thus quickly navigate it all. Not that it means I can't give them the heck, since they don't suspect it from a hyperactively friendly robot of a personality...
Gotta love it when you've got wicked chemistry with a friend and can riff off their brain juice for hours!
@@ShaleNinja Since the ENTJ stereotype is mostly portrayed when it comes to characters in media and even in TH-cam, I, a college student struggling to pick a major, will sometimes feel immense pressure to become that stereotype even though it’s supposed to be the other way around and my thinking process is what makes me an ENTJ not what amounts of power or authority I have. When ENTJ characters go against the stereotype and have a personality of their own I find that super encouraging and it feels like I don’t have to be part of the stereotype. Anyway just wanted to put that in their to see your thoughts on the matter. 😅
Intp here, completely agree. Most people tell me "ok... I have stopped following you 30 minutes ago". While my nt SO and I can go on and on all night long analyzing and putting together how things work abstractly and trying to find a totally comprehensive model for the universe.
Which is impossible. But it's fun to do.
That sounds beautiful - I need to get better at that. I still have amazing conversations but I think I spend too much time around NFs so now I talk about people and why they are the way they are a lot -- INTP
@@ravinmarokef Fellow INTP, and I am in a sea of NF, SF, and STs - I get a lot of weird looks whenever I open my mouth as a result. I do have an NT friend that I can spend hours talking to though
You've to switch to your last function when addressing NF's that's why is so hard for you NT folks to keep the conversation going with us NF's.
Remember: NF type you're addressing? -> *yes*? Then switch to using your *inferior function (Fe)*, else if NT? Talk as usual. Else if ST? *Be short in answers (yes/no)*. Else (SF) try NF advice but as if you're drunk and simply only want to pass time and laugh. 🙂
@@alexandrugheorghe5610 I understand. And the problem is not that I can't adapt and fit in if I have to. It's that it's difficult being myself with other typologies because, let's be honest, they get bored.
And, don't take me wrong: I understand them. I know I can go on and on about a topic I am excited about and all the possible consequences and connections.
The point is that I'm often the one who has to adapt to other's people conversations (that maybe I find uninteresting) because it's kind of rare to find people who think like you AND are interested in the same stuff you are.
I remember this one time. My mother has always said I am too quite and I don't open up enough.
One day I decided to share something I had just read and I found exciting and very interesting. It was about orcas having different cultures and different languages. So much that in different groups they don't communicate with the same sounds and can't understand a member of another group. I went on for 10 minutes all excited, thinking about what this means in terms of structure of the brain, in animals Vs humans, how this could change all we know about language and culture and communication and animal intelligence. I was so excited that I forgot to look at her face for a little. When I did I noticed she was extremely irritated. So I asked "is it everything ok?" And she answered "what you are talking about, would you tell me how is it useful in any possible way??!?"
It wasn't useful, but it was interesting and exciting to me to understand other stuff and think about knowledge, culture, psychology, neuroscience. I had this new data to add to my previous and that changed my theories in other more exciting and more numerous theories, to analyze in order to arrive closer to the truth.
But I wasn't able to explain it to her and answer "I just like to talk about this stuff"
She shook her head a little and changed topic, talking about someone whom I didn't remember who had had something happening to them that I didn't care about (maybe a wedding, a baby, a fight with a relative, I really don't remember)
(Please excuse my English, I'm Italian, not an English speaker)
This video is so helpful! And it's so accurate for me as an INFP and for all the people I know. I mean I don't really like to talk to XSTX types because they always talk about facts and stuff that is only on the surface and I feel like especially XSTJs are very fast in judging others so I want to protect them like "no, it's not vandalism. I like street art".
And I really like to talk about deep philosophy stuff and selfcare and my feelings about it.
I'm an ISFP, and it explains so much why I struggle to communicate with NT types. 😂
when you talked about the reason why everyone views the world differently because of everyone’s different ways of thinking, it really made me realize so much, thank you lol you’re so smart
ENFP here. I recently played a game where you communicate messages via intuitive pictures. My boyfriend (INFJ) and his best friend (INFP) IMMEDIATELY would understand what I was trying to say. A third friend (ISFP) was obviously puzzled how they got it so fast, but could then follow their logic quickly. I never felt so understood in my whole life. ❤
as an (I)NF(P), I love talking to NTs, they know so many things about so many different topics that I could spend a whole day just listening to them (that’s probably why my relationship with an INTP went better than my relationships with any ST I ever met)
"NT talk... Maybe one of the hardest kinds of talk to understand."
Yep! That's me!
-INTP
Btw, anyone else notice how many INTPs have shown up in the comments section on this one? 👀
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This INTJ agrees.
As an INFP with an INTP son, I don't find his mode of thinking at all difficult to understand. If anything it seems fairly straightforward to me. I tended to find my ENFJ son to be the most challenging to understand, at least when he was younger.
@@youngcrone456 Someone understands us ! 🤗
Ug, you just explained my LIFE! I don't have these "concrete examples", I just know the vibe is bad and we need to fix it. 😆 I have such a hard time explaining myself. I do love self help and personal growth, so I find that super interesting that NFs are drawn to that! Definitely want to call in one day and talk functions. I could talk about this stuff for houuuuurrrrrs, but only in abstract form. 🤣 #enfp
Those comparisons actually helped me understand the thinking styles more than I ever have, lol. Thank you. And actually, as an NF, I communicate using comparisons a lot. Trying to explain something usually involves “okay you remember in this book/movie/life situation when this happened and this was the result? It’s sort of like that.” Also makes it easier to pick up on symbols and motifs when your mind is already there.
I love talking in metphors and allegories. "Think of this situation like you would this...."
INFJ's talking be like: no, you can talk. I will sit here and gather info on you... Don't be concerned, this is so I can help you...
As an NF I always use metaphors to share my point of view, especially when I'm trying to help my friends through difficult times.
They say it really helps and I actually usually manage to get my point across rather well but they usually think I'm being poetic and stuff, and I always take that as a compliment but the truth is mataphors aren't a way to appear fancy at all for me, just a very important part of my way of talking as it often is how I successfully manage to express my opinion.
It might needs a bit to get used to but hey, if it works for my friends that's all that matters!
Firstly, explaining this as well as my boy FJ did, as an NF, was exceptional. Secondly, I would like to make a case for STs/SFs to work on their NT/NF since we NFs spend most of our lives forcing ourselves into the Sensory, it would be much appreciated if they would join us in our Intuition sometimes.
YES PLEASE. I think he kinda missed this point lol
Yes, that would be nice, but the world is 75% Sensory as opposed to only 25% Intuitive...they're the majority 😭
Try explaining people lol UwU But I get it
I doubt that'll ever happen in their 20s and 30s. In their 40s and upward, yes, because that's when there's more of a balance between the cognitive functions. But it would be nice if our sensory friend at least TRY to read between the lines and delve a little deeper.
I’m on my way - ISFJ
F.J., please write a book. Many of your thoughts and conclusions should should be more widely published (more readily found). You can easily self-publish on Amazon, or I know a publisher who would love this topic. You really should :)
I teach high school, and I've started having my students find out their types at the beginning of the year. This helps me get a sense of what type of examples they might understand and if they'll talk in class or not. Soooo many of my honors kids are INFPs. I'm an ENFP so I'm all about wearing silly costumes and being dramatic. They at least usually get what I'm saying, but my concrete kids - I have to look up stuff in advance to use in class for them
That's freaking awesome!! Good job and my respect. If only more teachers were like you! 🙌🏻👌🏻✌🏻🤘🏻👍🏻💜💜💜💜💜
@@alexandrugheorghe5610 thanks!!!
MBTI type should be tested for all students, at the beginning of every year of school.
Fun little story from an NF!
So me, my ST friend, and a few others were assigned a group project together like last year. The instructions were to make the tallest standing tower out of pipe cleaners for ✨Teamwork Exercises✨ So we get to work and both of us had completely different ideas. My way would use 2 more pipe cleaners than hers, but it would be more stable. So of course our group picks res to try and save more pipe cleaners, and she also did a better, easier way of explaining it than I did. Come to realize in the end we had the shortest tower of then all by a few inches because we had to use 5-ish extra pipe cleaners to stabilize it.
So note to all those others that could make a similar mistake, think about what could happen as a result of what the plan may come to. Do you want to risk an unstable tower, but have more pipe cleaners for future use. Or have a stable tower with a couple less pipe cleaners for future use. A plan might seem like it will fail because the speaker may not talk in a normal sense, but that doesn’t mean to then go for the loudest.
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Man, that last part really hit home. I'm an ISTP and my wife is an INFJ. She's brilliant but sometimes I'm just looking at her like "what are you talking about??? What does that have to do with ANYTHING???" LOL!
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It's absolutely worth learning how to communicate effectively in terms of ST (particularly in the professional space), but if anyone is wondering that's absolutely not to negate the power of the NF way of seeing things. I'm an INFP business analyst and I sort of see the NF element as helping me keep an appreciation on the true big picture (not to mention the soft skills side of it in terms of dealing with folks and getting them onside with me and riding the uh, wave of productivity together), and then you put on the ST hat for applying that big picture, breaking things down, and communicating effectively. Also, learn to love bullet points, active tense, and short sentences, and save all that fluid meandering stuff for some late night creative writing :)
Oh my gosh, I’m an NF type and have always struggled with explaining myself. Never knew this might be why. Thank you for shedding some light on that !! ☺️
I have wondered if I am intro or not for 29 years. Now I think I am a partially sociofobic ENTP. Thanks, Frank, for a very educational AND fun channel. Love your work. Stay bright and healthy!
It's a fact that Frank James gets thrilled when talking about the Fab four (either Beatles and functions)!!! I can catch the vibes through my screen ...they get straight to Italy! 💚🤍❤
Another Italian watcher here! (INTJ)
Italian ENTP here 🙋🏻♀️
The Beetles were so terrible
My mom gets annoyed when I openly talk and correct her
A fellow INTJ🙂🙂
I used to annoy my mom that way, too, as an INTJ.
Decades later, I have INTJ and INTP kids of my own.
. . . Payback. 🙄😂
Hello, my fellow INTJs.
@@altitudeiseverything3163 I'm an intj n i love my intp boy 🥰
@Harshi K I do that to
Mostly anime so I also end up searching what the character's name means 😅😅😅
@@elgato49 I love mine, too! Smart, low-key funny, and delightfully weird! ❤️
Yes! I'm a 22 year old ENFP and my mom is an ESFJ or ESTJ and we tend to butt heads sometimes because we reason things out in different ways. I always argue on my feelings and emotions ( which haven't been great since the pandemic started, not gonna lie), and my mom always comes at me with logic and facts, which really do nothing to persuade me or make me feel better. In fact sometimes it just makes me more flustered and angry. Also, sometimes I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words, and I feel like sometimes I come across as irrational and she doesn't really understand what I'm saying. The only one who I feel like consistently understands me is my INFJ sister, and she usually ends up acting as a go-between because she seems to be able to articulate what I'm trying to say in a way that makes a little more sense, and then my mom knows how to approach me a little bit better and usually it blows over and we make up. My mom and I are actually pretty close
That's so cute. 💜🤗
Predominantly and preferentially, I am INFP. I was a clinical psychologist/psychotherapist until I retired but I have taught, too, preferring experiential workshop formats. Frank, I am glad you pointed out that many of us can be flexible in the way we communicate (behave, think, follow rules). Being more E, S, T or J has always been possible for me BUT doing so is much more exhausting for me than my default setting.
This really helps me understand my mother's way of thinking. She's an st type while I'm in nf. This is probably why I've had so many difficulties communicating with her. I commonly refer to her as a "textbook" who just wants the facts and doesn't care about my emotions during discussions. Your explanation clearly describes my frustrations! I'll share this with her and see if she agrees but that you for helping me understand our relationship more!