Some stats: X - 8 maps S - 8 maps A - 18 maps B - 10 maps C - 10 maps D - 22 maps F - 16 maps Overall (Average) grade for splatoon 2 map selection: B perecentage of "playable" maps (B or above) = 47.8% 14 out of the 23 stages have at least one playable mode: Ancho-v-games Piranha Pit Mako Mart The Reef Sturgeon shipyard Manta Maria Starfish mainstage Skipper Pavilion Blackbelly skatepark New Albacore hotel Humpback pump track Snapper Canal Inkblot art academy Shellendorf institute No. of times a mode has appaered in B tier or higher: Rainmaker: 7 (Lowest) Tower control: 10 Clam Blitz: 10 Splat Zones: 17 (Highest)
Hear me out, in comp I understand when a tier list like this makes sense. I understand when you definitely don’t want to play with these maps when they are in rotation. Though in soloq I always enjoy playing arowana clams because I always perform good. I think that maps you like better, you will play better. At least that’s how it is for me and I understand everyone is different
Its amazing how good Splatoon 2 is considering how terrible it is. Most the maps are trash. Map rotation is trash. Online match making is trash. X rank power is trash. There are a ton of bad things in this game that need to be fixed and i still love it and cant stop playing it. Imagine if the game had good maps and the online worked
Video idea: take the third kits from each weapon in both games and make it a big "would you rather" video. Ex/ Splatoon 1 Bamboo Mk3 vs Splatoon 2 Bamboo Mk3, Berry Splattershot Pro vs Kensa Splattershot Pro, etc
the only thing i really disagree on is clams moray because the spawn is so far away from the basket that it becomes impossible to play it without beacons, the clams are very close to mid and the basket which encourages camping, and there’s nowhere to run in case of any special whatsoever at least that’s my experience with it in solo q
Rainmaker reef is either last for 5 minuets and is a game of stalling, or it ends in one push. Very few things here can really ALWAYS apply to soloque, but this is one of them.
You know a map-mode is trash when you completely rely on missiles and ray to do anything, and generally when one team can make the objective unapproachable Also awesome video, i had little to no complains, all things said make perfect sense and couldn't agree more
Honestly, as someone who almost exclusively plays turf war, I’d love to hear those opinions on it, good or bad. If you’ve already done that, sorry, I’m sure someone will leave a link.
i get why theyre hated, but walleye and arowana will probably always be my favorite maps just for nostalgia(also hoping saltspray comes back for 3 because its another one of my favorites, i love the claustrophobic maps)
How about ranking all the songs too? might be a stretch because there are quite a few songs, but i'd love to see it! Anyone else out there want to see it🤔
Ink armor is more trouble than it's worth on triggerfish tower control cause even the teeniest tiniest explosion will send you hurtling off the tower because of the recoil 🤦♂
there’s something about piranha pit rainmaker that i just love, it feels so different and so similar at the same time. also the old spawn areas just being pointless turf feels neat
Most of what I’m upset about here is because I’m nostalgic for splat 1 stages but main stage clams I think is pretty good. You have multiple options to get to the basket, mid fights have varied angles… I like it.
It's so nice to hear a detailed explanation/opinion on why the maps/modes I've always strongly disliked are actually bad! Very refreshing. (really hoping walleye doesn't come back, at least without an overhaul)
when I first played Splatoon 2 at launch, the first thing that came to my mind was: "why are the maps so small?" thats the issue, the whole map is just a small path to mid, and thats awful.
I think some maps could be gimmiky to spice things up and get interesting situation to adapt to. Said that, gimmick doesn't mean good maps. For skill competitiveness, you need balanced map and fairness. Gimmick can be good to spice things up, makes stuff random, interesting or a cool situation to try to adapt to, but randomness ins't fair and isn't balanced. I hope in splatoon 3, they make a better job in making things both interesting and FAIR at the same time (really hard to do).
I personally would put Inkademy RM in F because the RM carrier going up top when the other team has the lead is so hard of a throw that it shouldn't be possible.
I find Port Clams and Rain to be a dumb kinda fun personally. Also I can't any Zones map, in general really, but especially those that have two zones on them. I hate them so much and I usually don't play zones at all when it's on for soloq, but especially if a map I really hate also has two zones I just won't play it I hate it so much
Yes pls I'd love to see this for Splatoon 1, I never had a Wii U so I never played it but I'm massively interested in the game, and I love to find out about it's history and meta and stuff. Any videos like that discussing Splatoon 1 are heavily enjoyed by me!!
Skipper Pavillion and Goby Arena are my two least favorite maps Goby is just so damn cramped and if you Solo Q, getting mid control back once you've lost it isn't going to happen because it requires too much coordination and the map is so small that your teammates will end up getting picked off when approaching center. Skipper sucks because the map is huge, segregated, and once you take mid theres so many defensive positions that again, its almost impossible to retake without a considerable amount of team coordination, which just isn't going to happen in Solo Q.
Please dev team… please make Splatoon 3 maps dedicated to only one game mode so that they bring out the best of each mode. Quality over quantity! It would even give them more time and resources to be able to make new stages rather than modifying each stage to accommodate 5(+) game modes.
nah, the community is simply tired of Splatoon 2 and want to jump to Splatoon 3 ASAP. The community used to feel the same way about Splatoon 1 back in 2017
Splatoon 3 needs a new ability called Jump+ or Jump Boost or something where it increases your jump height and distance it could also be used to increase the distance of a squid surge or maybe even a dualie roll Posting this until Nintendo sees
Rainmaker on kelp dome is honestly where kelp dome becomes a good stage but the stage itself still sucks especially on zones and good luck trying to be a charger on that map
Wait, what's the problem with the tower "moving away from spawn?" Is it because you would have to move a longer distance when you get splatted or something?
It breaks the pace of Tower Control. On a good Tower Control map, the tower would move closer to spawn, making it harder the closer you are to the goal. With maps like Kelp Dome and Blackbelly Skatepark, the tower can become *easier* to control and you can gain free points, which is totally unfair and doesn’t have that “harder to push the farther you go” feeling. Hope this helps 😊
Funny how some of the worse maps in the game are gr8 for tent lol, such as triggerfish, port, arowana and walleye(clams), Also speaking of triggerfish zones, ik it has many flaws, but i absolutely love it's gimmick of having to split your team in two and push zones in duos, i fucking love that
I like Tower Controller on Pavilion, but I am a charger player, it could be the reason. 😉 For Moray Tower I play only a beacon weapon. I just hate it to fall down, it's soooooo damn slow!
Hey, don't diss my boy Walleye, it's not all THAT bad. It's the smallest, tightest, most commital and fastest-paced map in the game, you have to either win or not-lose the rollout if you don't want to just straight lose, and you have to chose which one you go with beforehand and stick with it because otherwise you, again, lose. Love me a good rollout, and "lockdown" aka built-in lose condition just makes another attempt at a more successful rollout come quicker. In a game where you can't have something that can charge a special in literally 8 seconds and walk into pristine mid with it it's a great Zones map. Unfortunately you can have a 8-second special and can farm further past that fishing for an easy wipe, even with Walleye's tiny size. And it also has Goby's one mode syndrome because everything else goes through a hellish choke (though at least in CB basket is in the choke so you can disengage quickly). Goby not-Zones are possibly the least playable maps overall, they are completely dysfunctional. Worse than Arowana I'd say. Arowana RM and TC are at least functional-ish before reaching the courtyard choke (and can be reasonably kept from ever reaching it) and CB plat isn't even THAT bad (just bad), while Goby's death cage is literally 1 second walking distance from the center of the map. Arowana is still F-tier but Goby is even F-er.
It says a lot that in the Splatoon 1 list, anything above C tier is at least okay, and in the Splatoon 2 list it takes S-tier to get to the same point of quality. On the other hand, Splatoon 1 also had some map/modes that are genuinely worse than anything Splatoon 2 did.
@@ProChara I like not having to change my weapon just to play on one map, especially when the map is as terrible as Camp Triggerfish. I like maps that are balanced for all weapons and even the worst of Splatoon 3's maps didn't drop the ball THAT hard. Not even Mincemeat or new Mahi.
Wait why do you think all turf war lay outs suck? Like there's not a single good one. Do you just not like turf? Or is it the reason that you explained in your other video about how just all splatoon 2 maps kind of suck
0:07 I wonder if this is why I cannot pick a favorite map in Splatoon 2 for the life of me. I play exclusively Turf Wars, and I don't really have any opinion on any of them (okay, maybe a few bad ones on Inkblot cuz of a few bad memories), so I guess the reason is that they're all mediocre to begin with.
I disagree on blackbelly zones and RM It's feels like aids to move in center let alone fight. Making it more Viable to throw a bomb at your feet and dance around that trying to aim in those cramped spaces. The spawn area is ok. (I'm aware that my problems are fixed by positioning better but I want to have more options to move than going ontop of the center tower or poking from the side.) edit: everything A tier or bellow is ass to play on (except ancho but that may be more of me being a L3 and squeezer player) also manta zones. still the fact that only 16-20 of the 92 map modes are remotely fun to play on is dumb.
i asked my friend who is french and they said that Encre means ink, and pot is just something you put things in. It's also a play on the word Entrepot, which means warehouse
No offense, but those images you have for the list are awful. The text doesn't fit on the images, and when they're together, they bleed into each other. Maybe you should've made icons to place on each image.
I WAS WAY TOO NICE HERE IS A FIXED VERSION: twitter.com/ProChara/status/1703847136142807468
guys i saw this shit live holy fuck
Bro switched up on sturgeon 😭
F Tier = “Fun”, and Nintendo knows this because these map/modes are literally always in rotation 😐
Some stats:
X - 8 maps
S - 8 maps
A - 18 maps
B - 10 maps
C - 10 maps
D - 22 maps
F - 16 maps
Overall (Average) grade for splatoon 2 map selection: B
perecentage of "playable" maps (B or above) = 47.8%
14 out of the 23 stages have at least one playable mode:
Ancho-v-games
Piranha Pit
Mako Mart
The Reef
Sturgeon shipyard
Manta Maria
Starfish mainstage
Skipper Pavilion
Blackbelly skatepark
New Albacore hotel
Humpback pump track
Snapper Canal
Inkblot art academy
Shellendorf institute
No. of times a mode has appaered in B tier or higher:
Rainmaker: 7 (Lowest)
Tower control: 10
Clam Blitz: 10
Splat Zones: 17 (Highest)
ik this is late but how did you calculate this?
@@mang0_p I assigned each rank A number (X = 1, S = 2 etc.)
And then I did my math based on this principle.
Best is easily camp triggerfish tower control. Nothing even comes close to that perfection.
Booyah bomb moment
Ocean moment
Splashdown while riding tower moment
cheese moment
Stingray go brrrr
In S3 stages shouldn't have to be designed fully for evey mode but there should be a pb setting that allows you to play on every map mode combo
Hear me out, in comp I understand when a tier list like this makes sense. I understand when you definitely don’t want to play with these maps when they are in rotation. Though in soloq I always enjoy playing arowana clams because I always perform good. I think that maps you like better, you will play better. At least that’s how it is for me and I understand everyone is different
Its amazing how good Splatoon 2 is considering how terrible it is. Most the maps are trash. Map rotation is trash. Online match making is trash. X rank power is trash. There are a ton of bad things in this game that need to be fixed and i still love it and cant stop playing it. Imagine if the game had good maps and the online worked
Video idea: take the third kits from each weapon in both games and make it a big "would you rather" video. Ex/ Splatoon 1 Bamboo Mk3 vs Splatoon 2 Bamboo Mk3, Berry Splattershot Pro vs Kensa Splattershot Pro, etc
good idea but with the difference in s1 specials and few amount of double kits it just wouldn't work out super well and be a lot of picking the s1 kit
the only thing i really disagree on is clams moray
because the spawn is so far away from the basket that it becomes impossible to play it without beacons, the clams are very close to mid and the basket which encourages camping, and there’s nowhere to run in case of any special whatsoever
at least that’s my experience with it in solo q
Rainmaker reef is either last for 5 minuets and is a game of stalling, or it ends in one push. Very few things here can really ALWAYS apply to soloque, but this is one of them.
You know a map-mode is trash when you completely rely on missiles and ray to do anything, and generally when one team can make the objective unapproachable
Also awesome video, i had little to no complains, all things said make perfect sense and couldn't agree more
Honestly, as someone who almost exclusively plays turf war, I’d love to hear those opinions on it, good or bad. If you’ve already done that, sorry, I’m sure someone will leave a link.
i get why theyre hated, but walleye and arowana will probably always be my favorite maps just for nostalgia(also hoping saltspray comes back for 3 because its another one of my favorites, i love the claustrophobic maps)
Babe wake up prochara just posted
I now have a maplist for the Worst Ever Tournament
Thanks Chara
splatoon 1 map/modes tier list sounds cool since the maps in splatoon 1 are so much more dynamic than in 2
5:31 I would Wahoo a lot more if it was like this in all modes
Even without the bridge mechanic you’re still in the lowest ground ever when you try to push like you have no good approach options
How about ranking all the songs too? might be a stretch because there are quite a few songs, but i'd love to see it!
Anyone else out there want to see it🤔
rn its a sub goal on my twitch and its about 180 songs
@@ProChara clearly someone doesn’t use twitch 😅
As long as Riptide Rupture is at the top where it belongs
Ink armor is more trouble than it's worth on triggerfish tower control cause even the teeniest tiniest explosion will send you hurtling off the tower because of the recoil 🤦♂
there’s something about piranha pit rainmaker that i just love, it feels so different and so similar at the same time. also the old spawn areas just being pointless turf feels neat
i'd definitely like to see this for splat 1 map/modes as well
Most of what I’m upset about here is because I’m nostalgic for splat 1 stages but main stage clams I think is pretty good. You have multiple options to get to the basket, mid fights have varied angles… I like it.
I haven’t played the map mode in a while, but isn’t it possible to score from snipe?
It's so nice to hear a detailed explanation/opinion on why the maps/modes I've always strongly disliked are actually bad! Very refreshing. (really hoping walleye doesn't come back, at least without an overhaul)
I personally really like arowana mall, not because it's fun to play or well designed, but because it's real nice for practicing my snipes.
when I first played Splatoon 2 at launch, the first thing that came to my mind was: "why are the maps so small?"
thats the issue, the whole map is just a small path to mid, and thats awful.
The way chara is in S Tier and still roasting these stages lmao. Tells you about the quality of S2 maps.
Tells you about Chara's personality as well
I think some maps could be gimmiky to spice things up and get interesting situation to adapt to. Said that, gimmick doesn't mean good maps. For skill competitiveness, you need balanced map and fairness. Gimmick can be good to spice things up, makes stuff random, interesting or a cool situation to try to adapt to, but randomness ins't fair and isn't balanced.
I hope in splatoon 3, they make a better job in making things both interesting and FAIR at the same time (really hard to do).
I personally would put Inkademy RM in F because the RM carrier going up top when the other team has the lead is so hard of a throw that it shouldn't be possible.
I find Port Clams and Rain to be a dumb kinda fun personally. Also I can't any Zones map, in general really, but especially those that have two zones on them. I hate them so much and I usually don't play zones at all when it's on for soloq, but especially if a map I really hate also has two zones I just won't play it I hate it so much
"this maps not garbage, but its still not okay, or good, not even meh, but its still not garbage"
Yes pls I'd love to see this for Splatoon 1, I never had a Wii U so I never played it but I'm massively interested in the game, and I love to find out about it's history and meta and stuff. Any videos like that discussing Splatoon 1 are heavily enjoyed by me!!
Skipper Pavillion and Goby Arena are my two least favorite maps
Goby is just so damn cramped and if you Solo Q, getting mid control back once you've lost it isn't going to happen because it requires too much coordination and the map is so small that your teammates will end up getting picked off when approaching center.
Skipper sucks because the map is huge, segregated, and once you take mid theres so many defensive positions that again, its almost impossible to retake without a considerable amount of team coordination, which just isn't going to happen in Solo Q.
Aight hot take: SALTSPRAY clams would be better than skipper clams. With the Crain and the concept inrtoduced by skipper, would be cool.
Favorite map/mode is skipper zones.
Just wanna say I like shellendorf institute, it's cozy and I like the glass ceiling
Please dev team… please make Splatoon 3 maps dedicated to only one game mode so that they bring out the best of each mode. Quality over quantity! It would even give them more time and resources to be able to make new stages rather than modifying each stage to accommodate 5(+) game modes.
Splatoon stages needs more....
S T A I R S
Since Splatoon 3 is chaos I'd love to see that moray has kind of collapsed a bit and isn't as tall anymore, maybe they had to do renovations?
I wish you would put one of those images for all the stage layouts on there cause I don't remember any of the stages they're all the same
Mako Mart and manta Maria are my favorite maps so I’m really happy with their placements :D
I’m starting to get the feeling ProChara hates Splatoon 2
nah, the community is simply tired of Splatoon 2 and want to jump to Splatoon 3 ASAP. The community used to feel the same way about Splatoon 1 back in 2017
You found me. I am the one and only person in the entire universe that likes Kelp Dome. Congratulations, here I am.
Splatoon 3 needs a new ability called Jump+ or Jump Boost or something where it increases your jump height and distance it could also be used to increase the distance of a squid surge or maybe even a dualie roll
Posting this until Nintendo sees
i can imagine that breaking the game already
That would allow you reach places that are inaccessible for a reason
That would revive jump-shooting
I actually prefer port tower to zones, defending feels very fun and attacking can be very intense
i think bro likes splat zones
Rainmaker on kelp dome is honestly where kelp dome becomes a good stage but the stage itself still sucks especially on zones and good luck trying to be a charger on that map
I actually really like pit tower
Wait, what's the problem with the tower "moving away from spawn?" Is it because you would have to move a longer distance when you get splatted or something?
It breaks the pace of Tower Control. On a good Tower Control map, the tower would move closer to spawn, making it harder the closer you are to the goal. With maps like Kelp Dome and Blackbelly Skatepark, the tower can become *easier* to control and you can gain free points, which is totally unfair and doesn’t have that “harder to push the farther you go” feeling.
Hope this helps 😊
Funny how some of the worse maps in the game are gr8 for tent lol, such as triggerfish, port, arowana and walleye(clams),
Also speaking of triggerfish zones, ik it has many flaws, but i absolutely love it's gimmick of having to split your team in two and push zones in duos, i fucking love that
When will you make more splatoon 3 content? Or will you host a tournament Sion?
I like Tower Controller on Pavilion, but I am a charger player, it could be the reason. 😉
For Moray Tower I play only a beacon weapon. I just hate it to fall down, it's soooooo damn slow!
I also like humpback rainmaker
Zones + Sturgeon is probably my favorite combo.
Hey, don't diss my boy Walleye, it's not all THAT bad. It's the smallest, tightest, most commital and fastest-paced map in the game, you have to either win or not-lose the rollout if you don't want to just straight lose, and you have to chose which one you go with beforehand and stick with it because otherwise you, again, lose. Love me a good rollout, and "lockdown" aka built-in lose condition just makes another attempt at a more successful rollout come quicker. In a game where you can't have something that can charge a special in literally 8 seconds and walk into pristine mid with it it's a great Zones map. Unfortunately you can have a 8-second special and can farm further past that fishing for an easy wipe, even with Walleye's tiny size. And it also has Goby's one mode syndrome because everything else goes through a hellish choke (though at least in CB basket is in the choke so you can disengage quickly).
Goby not-Zones are possibly the least playable maps overall, they are completely dysfunctional. Worse than Arowana I'd say. Arowana RM and TC are at least functional-ish before reaching the courtyard choke (and can be reasonably kept from ever reaching it) and CB plat isn't even THAT bad (just bad), while Goby's death cage is literally 1 second walking distance from the center of the map. Arowana is still F-tier but Goby is even F-er.
I can't tell what the maps are the pictures are too small.
humpback is living hell for me, especially clams and towers
I love walleye clams because camping under the ledge where the basket is is so easy. I play Luna btw uwu
It says a lot that in the Splatoon 1 list, anything above C tier is at least okay, and in the Splatoon 2 list it takes S-tier to get to the same point of quality.
On the other hand, Splatoon 1 also had some map/modes that are genuinely worse than anything Splatoon 2 did.
Camp triggerfish rainmaker is SO bad. Unless you have stingray, you can just corner yourself and make a push once the opposing team is dead. So stupid
Manta is probably my favorite map, very cool
Musselforge Fitness makes me lose my soul whenever i see it
*_my eyes_*
Zons Triggerfish is like B for comp but F in SoloQ, it's legit unplayable
fair in solo u gotta play something that can affect both sides
Facts
@@ProChara I like not having to change my weapon just to play on one map, especially when the map is as terrible as Camp Triggerfish. I like maps that are balanced for all weapons and even the worst of Splatoon 3's maps didn't drop the ball THAT hard. Not even Mincemeat or new Mahi.
Not sure if you've made a video on this before, but I'd be interested to hear your opinion on what makes a "good" stage in more detail.
check the description for my video on s2 maps I cover a lot there
Ayy this finally got uploaded! Still disappointed about your camp zones placement…
Yeah I'd like splatoon 1 map modes. Maybe post the list in the description as well.
itl be live this wednesday
My dav us pit zones, I love it but pit is my fav map and zones is my dav mode so yeah its kinda obvious. I didnt know that comp people like it.
I like how no one adds an e teir.
6:08 Unfortunately rainmaker mako is exactly the same in splatoon 3 😞
What do you mean at 9:55? I’m a little confused by how one side would have an advantage
Right side peeking
Wait why do you think all turf war lay outs suck? Like there's not a single good one. Do you just not like turf? Or is it the reason that you explained in your other video about how just all splatoon 2 maps kind of suck
little did they know how spoiled they were. Splat 3 maps somehow worse.
They say that but they're just kind of the same
Manta hurts my head
s1 map mode tier list would b fun
0:07 I wonder if this is why I cannot pick a favorite map in Splatoon 2 for the life of me. I play exclusively Turf Wars, and I don't really have any opinion on any of them (okay, maybe a few bad ones on Inkblot cuz of a few bad memories), so I guess the reason is that they're all mediocre to begin with.
We were lucky b*st*rds before splatoon 3
aka, chara shows how ray makes most TC and RM maps unplayable
Honestly ray is broken in rainmaker tower just makes the objective unpushable
kelp zones bottom tier for me, that thing is impossible to paint and typically whoever gets the zone first wins
goated outro
i'd move all of mako mart down but i just hate the map especially on clams
Oh wow I thought everything was gonna be F teir for a while
as always va11 music 👍 and solid list
Tbh I don't hate any of the map/mode combinations except for camp zones. Never playing that again.
Camp zones is one of the worst Combos In the game
I respect that u like piranha clams but I really don't pls its actual garbage why is it allowed in tourney
I disagree on blackbelly zones and RM It's feels like aids to move in center let alone fight. Making it more Viable to throw a bomb at your feet and dance around that trying to aim in those cramped spaces.
The spawn area is ok.
(I'm aware that my problems are fixed by positioning better but I want to have more options to move than going ontop of the center tower or poking from the side.)
edit: everything A tier or bellow is ass to play on (except ancho but that may be more of me being a L3 and squeezer player)
also manta zones.
still the fact that only 16-20 of the 92 map modes are remotely fun to play on is dumb.
Even though turf war isn’t listed on here, walleye turf is by far the worst map/mode combination in splat 1 or splat 2.
Okay but why is walleyes werehouse is called ''Encrepot'' in french i just searched it up
i asked my friend who is french and they said that Encre means ink, and pot is just something you put things in. It's also a play on the word Entrepot, which means warehouse
@@poketronex Oh yeah i knew it too but for meme context its too funny to say in english
Could ya please link the whole pic in the description?
I’m sorry but Clams Piranha pit is the most based take I’ve ever heard, I love the video though
No we need a G tier for camp splat zones I hate that stage
Blackbelly zones and Inkblot zones A.K.A "Long range backliner on mid=win" the maps. Really? Those are D tier at best.
W list tbh
No offense, but those images you have for the list are awful. The text doesn't fit on the images, and when they're together, they bleed into each other. Maybe you should've made icons to place on each image.
I didn't make the tier list format, so none taken but I think its alright, the main change in the S1 one is to abbreviate modes (ex SZ/TC)
Clam moray towers 1v1 and only bamboo is pain to play lol no mpu
I genuinely hate pit clams
Idk why but I just cant play on it
*over half of the map modes are c tier or below*
I’m a tetra main in X rank in all modes except clam blitz but I am s+7
what build do you run
finally
Everytime I PLAY ranked I get 99% of the time the maps from F to C
And thats why im hardstuxk S+0 and S+4
Wait, what was the worst map in the game?