In the gym with England Rugby
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- Want to know what goes on in the England gym? RFU Strength and Conditioning Coach Dave Silvester explains what's going on and talks about the relationship between club and country, while the Senior and Saxons squads shift some serious weights during pre-season training.
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I had an oportunity to train in this huge powerbase for one year. Miss those times in Loughborough! :)
i would love to see more workout videos!
3:10 tuilagi benching 100kg like its a warmup, which it probably is...
Tuilagi should be benching 250kg. I doubt he has an issue with a 100
It's pretty much a close grip bench too given how narrow his grip is.
great that is what i have been doing anyhow. just need to do more sprint training.
thank you
Does anyone have an idea on what song is used here?
who is the guy squatting at 0:52?
thats because it is his warm up...beast!!
WOW!!!i wishh to see more people like you training at my gym mate:)i do as to grass squats and been told that am doing wrong:Dpeople are sa uneducated;/well done!!!
Loughborough gym, love it, there this morning for an hour watt bike
Is this in twickers, pennyhill park or where?
That looks unbelievably hard!
which song?
I was going to do an antonym joke between English Rugby/gym but realised that doesn't really work.
Congrats on your win over our AB's.
Let's get a rivalry going.
There is a reason y I love this game
Funny how half the comments here are addressing squat depth - people seeming to think they know more than qualified pro's.
Search papers by Pinto et al (2012) and Eugene-McMahon (2013) - both found no significant different in muscle hypertrophy or performance between a full and partial ROM. (Granted, pinto addressed elbow flexors but findings can still be applied).
Not always wise to follow the words of youtube bodybuilders when it comes to fitness.
is that Loughborough Uni??
Power squatting only requires parallel knees for full RM. Its how you properly do that variation.
they don't necessarily have to go butt to ankles to get the full benefit but they need to go well below what they were squatting to in the video.
cool training
I just realized that the gym in my town of Loughborough. £363 for the year membership. Just finishing one contract from another gym then i'm going to go into the Loughborough University Gym.
Hi does anyone know of some fitness resources for a beginner rugby player.
just joined a team and it anarchy out there. surely doesn't help much when I am not fit for it. I would appreciate any sources to help me get fit for rugby.
I figure I need to run more, strength is pretty good from American Football but need more conditioning. Just not sure what will be better for rugby. long distance or short interval sprint type routines.
Also anything that will help with injury prevention.
1:13 - Tom Youngs doing pull ups with 50kg between his legs... how the hell does that even work? I can do maybe 5 pull ups with no weight at all...
Tom Youngs, he's doing weighted pull ups with and extra 60kgs on...crazy!
When in the scrum is it important to be strong in a deep squat?
If you're a prop you need strong legs. Being as strong as you can be across a full range of motion will prevent injury, don't train too heavy is key make small increases every now and again.
Deadlift is nearly more important and some weighted abdominal twists too with your feet raised.
You need a strong core so you don't buckle and flexible strength too.
That guy punching at 00:13 looks so funny
Don't be a hater. First guy was parallel and the second guy's one squat wasn't a full squat - but very heavy weight for his size.
in one of the england vids he said he did 190kg!!
that maybe what they are ment to do though, e.g quarter or half squat
I agree wtf are those squats? Particularly the forwards, I'm not even talking about the weight...Range of Motion ffs
Duke Box they might be working on their sticking points
The reason they don't squat that deep is because that is about you much you normally squat in a match, it build the power to jump higher eg
Alex Davenport They are not working even the half of the muscle fibers that a jump needs...
SQUAT DEEP OR GO HOME!
Cacho Telch squatting deep, full length and contraction, time under tension.. all are good for hypertrophy. He doesn't want to bulk up anymore, he just wants the fast push to help explosive power and speed. It is a very sport specific squat. I'm not saying this is the only squat a rugby player should do, but it is good to include it in your program.
You don't know shit dude, no one talk about TUT or bulk up, squating deep will make you stronger, that's a fact, period. The reps, the sets and the volumen/intensity will make you bulk up or build strength...if you need explosive power and speed it's all in the rep cadence and the intensity... and you can't build strength and speed at the same time, they are two different things. What this shitty dude is doing it's only making him stronger, but slower...and with that form it's a waste of time, he'll never get the results of a full ass to grass deep squat...I'm stronger than him just for squating the 80% of that weight with an ass to grass squat...and I'm 70% of his size
SCIENCE BRAH :v
I assume it's to reduce injury risk.
The bar weighs 20 and there are 4 20kg plates on the bar. (4x20)+20=100.
the goal of training is have better on field performance. I play rugby and I know what carries over well and what doesn't I also regularly train with other rugby players and can compare. A research article by H. Hartmann found deep squats to be significantly better to improve explosiveness. Squatting shallow like in the video serves no purpose other than maybe spinal load (which could be achieved much better with different exercises). A squat remains a squat across the board.
You know what, I`m gonna be on the under 10s. And I`m gonna keep working to that. I am lazy, but I`m gonna rely try.
So they aren't trying to build up their muscles/body?
there are multiple people above explaining exactly why. Full ROM squats are superior to partial ROM for strength and mobility as well as being safer. If you cannot squat deep then there is no reason for you to be adding load to the squat.
As a fitness instructor, I'd love to get an insight into their fitness/strength training schedules
I just watched a similar video of the all blacks. So, where's the cardio? I don't see any cycles in the place, or anyone doing jump rope etc.
Mark Webster That's obviously the weights room. It looks specifically designed. There will be a whole other room for cardio.
Sure, I guess so, but the trainer in the video spends a good deal of time talking about weights.
Like, I'm always surprised at the size of the English team compared to the All Blacks. Such massive upper bodys and arms, even in the backs.
Mark Webster That's weird, I'd say that about the AB. The England pack is the best in the world but our backs seem to run out of ideas too quickly. But hey, we were playing against a team that is possibly the best side ever and has 3 times more caps than us.
In a few years I see England being a real force. When you take that fact that even our captain only has 20 caps you start to see the potential of this team.
Mark Webster
I would of thought the cardio is mixed with the actual on the pitch training, and the gym work is souly gym work.
3:08 Tuilagi banging out 100kg as though it's just his warm-up...
3:12
tuilagi??
+Sami Cheqrouni
Yeah it is! 😆
I would suggest it's a functional squat, so depth isn't really relevant in this case. For example, when props set for a scrum they do not go through a full range of motion, therefore training with deep squats isn't really going to benefit the player on the field.
He has an elastic chest to bounce the weight up
Ye, he's is a 6 foot four prop, self explanitory mate ;)
Tuilagi literally warming up with 100kg on the bench
either you have bad eyesight or don't know what you're talking about, powerlifters squat to well below 90˚ of flexion (and don't tell me otherwise i have been to many meets in different federations ). Between the two athletes weightlifters are significantly more athletic between the two which has the most carryover to on - field performance. Moving the muscle through a big ROM activates the highest amount of motor units and increases explosiveness far more than half squats-which lead to injuries
1:15. who is that?
Tom Youngs
Probably is, I've heard he benches 195 kg's.
2:06 cute little danny...
Nice knee bends at 2:25
@Kieran Austin, no one is suggesting they won't grow strength doing quarter and half squats. If you perform a movement with increasing resistance no matter how you do it, it will strengthen you. The difference is, if you do it with bad form you will cause injury, especially long term injuries. Not squatting to depths will ruin your knees, cause severe patella, quadriceps tendinitis and/or tendinosis. They will ruin their lower back, ruin their hip flexors, they'll end up neglecting certain muscles by not targeting them through not performing the exercise with good form then overcompensating.
All this bad form and high squatting is fine now, it won't be in 10-20 years from now and it certainly won't be if the end up trying to max with poor form and tear something or slip a disk.
There's a reason why pretty much every weightlifter will tell you to squat to depth. It's not to sound like an arrogant ass, it's because weightlifters have realised through decades of weightlifting what is the best and safest way to perform these exercises so why argue against something that has been tried and tested?
not performing full range of motion for any movement is a way to increase injury.
Gee, I don't know. Why would an athlete want to be strong through a full range of motion. Seems like a stupid thing to me. Let's just be strong in a partial range of motion, great idea. I would definitely hire you in an S&C capacity with the knowledge you've displayed today. Welcome to Injuriestown RFC.
Nah its Powerbase at loughborugh Uni
it's just a squat these people are professional if you were a proper gym trainer then you wouldnt be complaining
Parallel is fine.
3:12 manu tuilagi benching 100kg like its a fucking warmup
+ 20kg bar = 100kg.
andrew sheridans is over 220kg
its actually 80 not 100...
GET 90!!!!!
dude 200kg is pretty fucking impressive....
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The bar is normally 20. Do the math.
80
yeh im sure he weighs the same in off season as he does in season.. not like training every day and playing an 80min game of rugby once a week would make him lose weight in season.. and he actually weighs 115kg in season so im being generous by saying he weighs 120, he would probably weigh a bit more
I disagree with you Kane, I've performed full parallel/ass to grass/deep squats for 4years now, my knees are fine. Over development of the quads puts pressure on the knees if the hamstrings and glutes do not develop with the quads. Injury in bodybuilding comes from people not leaving their pride at the door. Doing a full squat with a weight too heavy causes your knees to buckle in = knee injury. Technique is more important
effectively is a warm up ahah, he benches 90kg 38 times
What?
nice half squats
thats not true, bodybuilders suffer with tendonitis ( or how ever its spelt ) because of lifting that way. thats why you will rarely see them using full range, they always stop just short.
No it's cause it keeps the muscle under constant tension, or that's the idea, without locking out the muscle is under constant stress from the lift.
tuilagi only weighs 110 kg
I a lot of half squatting going on. Son I am disappoint
bar is 20
He was benching 190kg at age 18 ahaha
For those bitching about the squats, they may be working on their sticking points or learning to handle that amount of weight before they can fully squat it.
+TheSideburno lol also..... even if it's not olympic levels of perfection ... That guy is still a pro rugby player and is clearly doing something that works XD
Learn to squat before you handle any weight is another option. Also, box squats
no, 100
EASY
So like every other sport, they have no idea how to train in the gym.
I saw one guy doing some hang power cleans that looked okay and then the bench pressing, step ups and glute bridges would be okay for some accessory movements (I bet they weren't accessories though) and the boxing would be okay for conditioning, but they should really be doing conditioning on a track or on the field.
The rest was absolute crap though. Terrible, border line dangerous ego squats; a load of grip work (why on Earth would they need grip work?); poor form weighted chin ups seem popular as well (it is a great ego lift); pilates; and what was the balancing the dumbbell on your palm about?
At this level, they should have developed enough muscle. They then need to just focus on powerlifting and olympic lifting.
it should be his fucking warmup haha he weighs 120kg
mmmm what?
God no, I do a real degree. I don't care how rugby players squat but it sure rustles my jimmies when people claim to squat x kgs when that x was done with 30 degrees of flexion. So my comment, would not be impressed/10 still stands whether it's useful or not.
that's a big misconception, the gym is for strength not skill of sport specific conditioning crap. To get strong you need to squat right.
Why cause he is hang cleaning 60kg? ha
aguante los pumas.....
Professional athletes among no doubt highly skilled/experienced sports scientists and trainers, think they know what they're doing. Not trying to look good.
No, but you clearly no nothing about strength training. The quad always works in tandem with the hamstring in order to balance the forces on either side of the knee. Half squats are only good for the ego.
What kind of squats were they? Fuck sake you're professional athletes
Bodybuilders suffer those injuries because they do endless repetitions of the exact same movements for years. It has nothing to do with range of motion.
don't argue ? because you rely on broscience to make your arguments?
ok?....
Lets hire some guy who has studied a sports science degree to improve an rugby players performance but has never done a squat in their life. There is NO need to quarter squat. The limiting factor in the squat is back strength, so why put on more wight than one can handle and not work legs.
I think theres a few factors involved. one, people believe their flexibilty isn't enough which I think is bullshit. This is due to not using correct form and technique. two, they wouldn't look like their squatting a lot, because people want to be able to look like they're squatting cars...This also leads to people doing quarter squats, because they don't believe they will be able to get up from such a low position.
Let's hire some of the best sports scientists and nutritionalists to create a customised programme for each athlete. Let's say it's bullshit because I've seen a TH-cam video of someone saying ass to grass are the only way!
To much weights not enough speed work ,and a lack of basic ball skills
Rugby is way better than football! Who's with me?
WTF??
hahah sure there big guy. Let's just use logic on an even more basic level where you clearly need to start. For getting strong let's look at how the strongest people on the planet train.... i.e. powerlifters (westside barbell etc) or weightlifters (olympics) how many of them do half squats? and yes those coaches are doing squats wrong.
Bar weighs 20...
>clearly doesnt lift
No.
1st thing I see, a non parallel squat with a little over 200kg. 1/10 am not impressed
rugby players cant squat, some at my gym and they dont even go paralell neverer mind below paralell!
You know what I find world class athletes do in their spare time? Comment on youtube videos calling other world class athletes weak. Oh no, wait. They don't. That's what irritating self-proclaimed know it alls do.
sounds like this guys has NO idea about strrength programing...
terrible squats terrible cleans, disappointing...
They do strength sets in the power rack to work on certain parts of their squat for rugby. Not everybody is a pussy that works out just to look better
curc649 There is no plus side to half repping your squats. Stop calling people out on stuff you have no clue about.
Harliquin Rug b rugby is incredibly taxing on the knees, deep squats only exacerbate those kinds of problems. It is recommended to squat to parallel for most sports. Beyond 90 degrees you increase pressure over the knee cap and risk ligament damage, it's called training smart. Then you'll have better longevity, and if you are a professional sports person why risk losing your source of income just to squat super heavy and super deep.
form police now days thinking their god haha pathetic, there workouts are ADJUSTED to let them take beatings on the field not put more unnecessary stress on their joints
Agree with the squats, Range of motion is far more important than the weights, Didn't see any props could be mistaken but surely they would be doing ass to grass squatting as scrummaging is all about range of motion