An Earnest Plea to Charismatics
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- Are the modern Charismatic gifts the same as those described in the New Testament? Christ Presbyterian Church calls on Charismatics to examine their faith in the light of God's Word and of history. This video is not meant as a condemnation, but a sincere plea to true believers to be good Bereans and a sincere plea to nominal believers to seek true conversion. Christ Presbyterian Church is a congregation of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Magna, Utah (www.gospelutah.org).
as someone who was raised charismatic pentecostal, this is very eye opening, I have been doing some serious "deconstruction" of all the extrabiblical doctrine I have been taught, and began attending a reformed baptist church and started diving deep into the word of God
LOL, same here my friend! Zero regrets as I continue to unlearn all these false extra teachings. Grace and peace.
@@oztheberean im officially orthodox presbyterian haha
this channel is amazing
so you left one false teaching for another? theres no such thing as a "reformed baptist". Baptists were never part of the reformation. Why do you now embrace a theology that teaches God hates 99% of humanity and has left them helpless with no offer of mercy? remember this the next time u hear of an infant dying. Reformed theology teaches that "non elect" infants who die, burn in hell. I am no charismaticm but I wonder which theology is the greater danger
I think that the real term you are looking for is reforming. Deconstructing is demolishing. Reforming is an attempt to go back to orthodox christianity. I was taught John Calvin was against the early fathers but I find out that John Calvin quoted them very frequently in his institutes. I am reforming my faith.
@@chiukid well I hope you keep "reforming" to the point that you abandon that gnostic gospel that says God hates 99% of Adam's race and that babies are born guilty of his sin to the point that should they die, theyd go to hell. If you base your doctrines on a man that killed those who disagreed with him, then you are no better than the Roman Church from which he came, and certainly no disciple of Jesus Christ
I cannot give this documentary enough thumbs up! 👍👍👍👍 I was raised as a Pentecostal and had no idea of the history except for Azusa street. There are many true believers in this movement, but they are very easily deceived. I am thankful that God has brought me out into more of a reformed view. I love God’s Word, and it is only by a return to the Bible that we will have true revival.
Thank you for the kind encouragement! Please check out our other videos and subscribe.
Yes, new believers are many times sucked in by false teachers who take advantage of the lack of serious exegesis of Scripture and play on emotions and feelings and experiences to seduce people with smooth talking
God called me out of this movement, too. 🙏
Thank you. What a blessing.
This is an excellent video highlighting many of the problems with the modern charismatic movement. You went into more detail than even Justin Peters did in his video presentation of the history of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement.
Thank you!
Thanks for another great resource. I always get excited when I see a new video from Ancient Paths. I really appreciate the work it takes to make these videos.
Thank you! Lord willing, there are more to come. :-)
@Martin Ramsbottom Lord willing, I may well do one on him and some other Muslim apologists late this year or early 2022. Right now, I'm trying to finish The Truth About Calvin And Servetus. Next on the agenda is The Heresy of Black Theology.
@@ancientpathstv It has been far too long since you posted something - hope you are OK.
@@kerisutt7579 Thanks for your concern. I've had a full plate, but I hope to have a major video on Dispensationalism out in a few months.
@@kerisutt7579 We have done a few things more recently. Check our video list.
I was born again while attending an Assembly of God church. They recognize the trinity and do not claim apostolic succession. When my pastor retired, I moved to a Word of Faith non denominational church. It began well, but degraded as the pastor gained wealth.
TWO DECADES later I saw some light.
The truth is, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is real and a great gift. Unfortunately, the churches that teach it have no theological moorings and succumb to sometimes greed, sometimes literal insanity.
Even A of G churches are usually caught up in the fog of distortion.
Excellent presentation - thank you. Sadly I didn't realise Nabeel Qureshi was connected to Bethel. I did wonder at times about some things though because of David Wood's connection to Michael Brown.
David Wood does great work with his anti Islam apologetics, I've never heard him get into any charismatic related 🤷♂
I just want to say thank you for these videos. As a young dutch-reformed Canadian, they are invaluable in helping me shape and defend my theological beliefs.
Im glad this video discusses cessationism as well.
Thank you for the kind encouragement! We regularly have Canadian Reformed Church members visit with us here in Salt Lake during the Summer, on their way to California. Unlike a lot of folks, they plan where they'll be on the Lord's Day.
This is just excellent work. Thank you!
I honestly respect Nabeels faith and believe the Lord still heals people when He wills to do so. The whole bethel debacle is another story - they are mystics and gnostics and should be avoided.
They've adopted so many new age borderline witchcraft practices, and they're infecting many churches
Or to make it simple, NAR are Heretics
Was looking for this kind of comment, thank you. I've heard many talks from Nabeel on TH-cam and have learned a lot from him. However, before this video I had no idea he was involved with Bethel. God Bless Nabeel.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner ☦️
excellent video bar none best of the best yet I have seen thank u
Thanks! Check out our other documentaries.
Not one video on TH-cam at a healing service shows a miracle. I've been looking for 10 years.
Another wonderful documentary brother, I made sure to share it on Twitter. I absolutely love the hymn at the end, and the fact that you mentioned Wesley's slander of Toplady.
Again, thank you Jason, for all your hard work that went into making a valuable resource like this. Soli Deo Gloria!
Thank you!
Hearing you speak of Montanism makes me think of Tertullian. I am now reading his work: "Against Marcion". With all of his wise words debunking Marcionism, it's hard for me to believe that he actually fell for Montanism.
Tertullian, like a lot of brilliant men, was sometimes clever enough to talk himself into bad positions. I may be mistaken, but I think he was attracted to the Montanist zeal, but eventually broke with them before he died.
"Apparently Tertullian’s strict moral views influenced him to join the Montanists. Also, Tertullian had grown impatient with the hypocrisy he saw in some quarters of the early church and particularly disliked the half-heartedness of church leaders. Additionally, the Montanists believed that their leaders were receiving new prophecies from the Holy Spirit, a view that appealed to Tertullian’s enthusiastic nature. When he embraced Montanism, Tertullian became its most well-known adherent. However, toward the end of his days, Tertullian became disenchanted with Montanism and started another splinter group. This group, which became known as Tertullianism, existed for the next two centuries in Carthage.
Tertullian died toward the close of the first quarter of the third century, somewhat in obscurity. Despite falling prey to fallacies toward the end of his life, he was a pillar used by God."
- Carthage, T. of. (2011). Father of Latin Theology. In Pillars of Grace (AD 100-1564) (Vol. 2, p. 113). Reformation Trust Publishing.
And of course Dr Brown knows of and is also one of those ultra gifted Christians. Typical self delusion. I was deceived by charismatic teachings for 20 years. The Holy Spirit is still at work and the truth is so much more than this emotionally driven swampy mess. Thanks for your vlogs. Much appreciated
It's like don't remember or even know what Jesus came for and why the Holy Spirit was given to believers
For a seemingly well-educated man, 'Dr. Michael Brown' has remarkably poor discernment.
His ongoing friendship with Dr. James White is an continual puzzle 🤔
@@toolegittoquit_001 yeah, James White isn't one of those hardcore anti Charismatics, he is friends with Dr. Brown because they do a lot of apologetic together against non Christians, namely Jews since Dr. Browns specialty is Hebrew and messianic prophecies
I've already watched and enjoyed two of your documentaries. Please make a spanish version of all of these as soon as possible, specially this one. Thank you for all your time and effort.
Sorry, I don't speak Spanish. Some Baptists in Costa Rica were supposed to be making a Spanish version of our Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics, but I never heard whether it happened.
@@ancientpathstv That's unfortunate, have you tried asking the Ligonier guys for example?, they have a channel in spanish, maybe they'd be willing to do it.
@@peccatorjustificatus777 If you think Ligonier would be interested, feel free to contact them. We're happy for others to translate our materials. We offer them for free. Our goal is to simply get them out there. I make these in my spare time, between pastoring two churches and a mission work spread out over nearly 300 miles, so I don't have time to seek out others who might want to translate.
“This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?”
- GALATIANS 3:2
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.”
- TITUS 3:5
How tragic is the truth about John Wesley as revealed near the end as now it makes it much easier to understand what’s happened to the United Methodist Church over the last few decades, or so, as I’ve seen the results of his false teachings in the lives of some of my family members who I was horrified to find out, didn’t understand the gospel and we’re trying to work their way to heaven.
A dear aunt, who died a couple of years ago, is included in this, as I tried to reach her with the truth, but to no obvious avail.
In 1981 I was taking Summer courses at Regent College in Vancouver, British Columbia. A man sitting next to me was an American who was a Presbyterian. I casually said to him that The United Church of Canada was a union of the Methodist Church, 2/3 of the Presbyterian Church and the Congregationalist Church. He said "how can you merge Calvin with Wesley?". It happened in 1925. What happened was that when northern and western Canada was settled there were a lot of small and isolated villages and towns. In those places there were not enough Methodists to have their own church. Also there were not enough Presbyterians to have their own church. That was true for other settlers of faith. Out of necessity what Protestants there were had to join together to worship. These churches were called Local Union Churches. Also sometimes a Methodist church would be composed of people from other faith backgrounds that went there because it was the only Protestant church close by. Out of this came the idea for union. In 1925 the newly minted United Church of Canada had 2 million people out of a population of 10 million Canadians. Liberalism has destroyed the United Church. in 2018 both the United Church and the Anglican Church stated that based on current trends both denominations will cease to exist by 2040. The Presbyterian Church( a liberal denomination) will probably be extinct too.
Joel 2 was a one-time fulfillment of prophecy as a sign of judgement against Israel.
waiting for the "you're blaspheming the Holy Spirit by questioning any unbiblical practice we claim is of the Spirit" comments
Perhaps this is too well-documented for even that 😏
Dare ye question my ANOINTING ?
"shandara babakila boboshamanda rakamasanda etc. "
@@fabiolahook8877 🤣🤣🤣
@@fabiolahook8877not even Google can translate that 😅
I'm a testament to divine healing but I think we are supposed to use the brain that God has given us and pray within the realms of reality.....
@jamiegrieve5875
I think that a better way of putting that last sentence is to not commit presumption, and presume things of God that He has not said.
yeah, what cessationist denies that God works miracles? many non charismatics have experiences of supernatural healing, I've experienced it myself, like James 5 said
@@tomtemple69when you learn rightly dividing and dispensations you'll see that signs and wonders are old testament Jewish law and works. Acts of the Apostles big hint right there. Acts is a transitional book going from law to grace from works to the gospel of grace. Signs and wonders were and are for the Jews and the antichrist will also be preforming signs and wonders in the tribulation. I was shunned for telling the truth of being baptized in the Holy Spirit but I didn't speak in tongues so they didn't believe me. The Holy Spirit can fill you and tongues aren't necessary. So there are some that think they are Jews. Signs and wonders are works yet Jesus died on the cross to give us grace.
@@rickcampanella4254 signs and wonders started with Moses, ended with the apostles
they were tied directly to Scripture writers, Moses wrote the first 5 books, the apostles wrote the last books
Again, an excellent presentation. The manuscripts for these videos should be published.
Much of this information was included in your “urgent plea to Baptists” presentation but I see quite a bit of similarities between Charismatics and so-called “Baptists” (especially rabid anti-Calvinist IFB types). Very thought provoking! I am working on a Masters Thesis on the doctrine of total depravity and this has given me quite a few more areas in which I need to do research
So many modern schisms trace themselves back to the Anabaptists (or imitate them) and so many portray them as "innocent victims" that I have to keep touching on the reality. 🙂
As an IFB Baptist, I was taught that Baptists were not Protestant and that they were persecuted by the reformers. Now I understand that Anabaptists were not as innocent and saintly as I have been taught!
I spent 2 decades in the pent/chars movement. I honestly believe that Azusa street was the beginning of a judgement/great deception on people that had rather have ecstatic experiences and new "revelation" over what God has already revealed about Himself.
I could not have stated that any better. It was a false revival, there is no greater revival than when we get born again and have eternal life in Jesus Christ.
I have always been skeptical of how gifts are used in charismatic circles. I do think God does things when he needs to. I have a friend who did missionary work and Jesus healed a blind man in the village they were in. The only miracle done and the whole village came to Christ. These are when I usually see these things. They are in the 3rd world with very spread out villages etc. So I think they happen, but I do not believe they happen on a stage like a show. I think it is organic and done when needed.
EXCELLENT! SO HELPFUL! THANK YOU!
Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!
One thing I am super confused about, and was shocked to see!: Was Nabeel Quereshi actually a charismatic? I couldn't believe those clips of him going to Bethel to seek "divine healing"!
Did he actually believe in this stuff? I'm so confused because he was a big part of the American Gospel film, in which he was portrayed as Biblically orthodox, and as I recall, was portrayed as being an example AGAINST the faith healers!
Was this mis-portrayed or am I just mistaken on how American Gospel was trying to come across?
My impression is that in his earlier ministry, he was not well grounded. He definitely got sucked into the Bethel promises of healing, as can be seen in his vlogs leading up to his death.
@@ancientpathstvKyrie eleison.
Thank you.
I was saved in a Pentacostal church. As I grew and studied, the whole thing struck me as wrong and not scriptural, and I left Pentacostalism. I love those people dearly, but they are following false teachings and beliefs. Many also tend to fall for the latest 'thing', and then the next latest 'thing', and so on. As to Michael Brown, to me, he is a "publican or tax collector" and I'll have nothing to do with him. He is NOT to be trusted. These so-called faith healers and the rest have no fear of God but they will come under special judgement for their false teachings and leading people to damnation.
We hope to soon have another, small video on Pentecostalism on this channel.
@@ancientpathstv I only recently came across this channel and find it very informative and edifying. Thanks for all you do. I love learning, even at my age.
@@billiamnotbob Thank you for the kind encouragement.
Excellent. Thank you.
Thank you!
Augustine of Hippo with the Chad voice
I've since used more ethnically-correct accents, and lots of people complain about that too.
@@ancientpathstv it's fine, kind of satisfying when great people like Augustine have a smooth voice, and less likable characterslike Thomas Münster have, well, unlikable voices.
So many stories of end times prediction prior to the era of information, in fact...
Any good resources on early anabaptists?
James Stayer's Anabaptists and the Sword
Willem Balke's Calvin And the Anabaptist Radicals
Hermann Kerssenbrock's Narrative of the Anabaptist Madness
@@ancientpathstv thank you, as a mennonite, I will definitely research more, however, Menno Simon explicitly condemned the cult of Thomas Münster, and taught strict pacifism.
He and His followers suffered persecution from catholics and protestants alike, who confused them for the radicals.
He even condemned chiliasm, which is surprising considering how many modern mennonites fully embrace despensationalism.
I don't agree with all of Menno's teachings, but I don't want him to be associated with the Münsterites.
Reading Menno Simon's writings is annoying sometimes because most of the time he is begging for the persecution to end, insisting no affiliation with the Münsterites, and challenging his opponents to debate.
@@ayobithedark2772did he believe that Jesus had an actual body?
@@Joshua12w2o yes, but he held to "celestial flesh" Christology.
Jesus had a human body but it came from heaven, not Mary.
I'm honestly not sure if this should be considered heretical, but it's not Orthodox, and I don't know why the early anabaptists believed it was necessary.
@@ayobithedark2772 But, according to [the Gnostics], neither was the Word made flesh, nor Christ, nor the Saviour (Soter), who was produced from [the joint contributions of] all [the Æons]. For they will have it, that the Word and Christ never came into this world; that the Saviour, too, never became incarnate, nor suffered, but that He descended like a dove upon the dispensational Jesus; and that, as soon as He had declared the unknown Father, He did again ascend into the Pleroma. Some, however, make the assertion, that this dispensational Jesus did become incarnate, and suffered, whom they represent as having passed through Mary just as water through a tube;1 but others allege him to be the Son of the Demiurge, upon whom the dispensational Jesus descended;
IRENAEUS OF LYONS, Against Heresies in The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus, ed. Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe, vol. 1, The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company, 1885), 426-27.
It seems Gnostic but it seems like his followers changed it later on
This was very informative. I did not know very much about Charismatics and Pentecostals before this, or realize how problematic their roots, if not the general practice of many more toned down churches in that tradition are. I also hadn't realized that John Wesley was as problematic in his theology as he seems to have been. If this video taught me anything though it's that the mark of a false prophet is to claim to be the upteenth coming of Elijah.
Thank you!
To prophesy is simply to preach the gospel.
I ask people that say they speak in tongues, what's the difference between tongues and babbling and i never get an answer.
True tongues are guided by the Holy Spirit. Modern churches often ' teach' methods that are actually babbling.
There is steel stones from the first temple stacked on top of each other they call it the wailing Wall or the West wall or whatever it is over in Jerusalem but when Jesus returns it'll all be leveled
The wailing wall was a retaining wall for the temple mount. Those are not the stones of the temple to which Jesus pointed in Mark 13. Not one of the stones of the temple wall were be left upon another in that generation. Those stones were overthrown in 70 AD, when the Romans destroyed the temple.
With due respect: regarding Lourdes at 10:26: "they're [miracles] not statistically different from those who go into spontaneous remission of their conditions without supposed miracles". First, does not God love believers as much as non-believers? Second, there are many testimonies of atheist MDs who became believers due to what they witnessed at Lourdes, one of them is, Dr. Pierre-Romain Dozous 1799-1883. Thank you for the informative videos, I hope you one day discuss Jehova's witnesses.
you bring up a great point, these "faith healers" claim to work many miracles yet the unsaved still experience a similar amount of miracles... why is that? because GOD does the miracles on His timing and according to His will
There is AOLT of overlap between these Charismatics and British -Israelites.
dispensationalism is the foundation of Charismaticism
@@tomtemple69can you explain further
Among the problems--and there are several--with Dr. Brown's view of little-a apostles is that it proves too much. If an apostle is simply one who is sent out, as he claims, then every missionary and every church planter, at a minimum, is an apostle (and arguably every Christian is an apostle, because we're all sent out as ambassadors of Christ). He then tries to qualify that by limiting that to those with special gifts or "annointings," but there's simply no basis to do so--the gifts resulted from the apostolic position; they were not definitional of it.
Same with prophecy and tongues
They expand the definitions so much that literally everything qualifies...
Well, there are 'apostles' and 'Apostles'
And none of the modern Apostles / Apostles have seen Jesus 🙄
@@toolegittoquit_001 not to mention the "apostles of today" are missing the signs and wonders spoken of in Hebrews
3 how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard, 4 while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.
@@toolegittoquit_001 Yes, that's the standard charismatic dodge--never mind that there isn't so much as a word in the NT, or any practice in the first several centuries of the church, to suggest it's true.
Too bad Pastor Wallace doesn’t do a documentary about Ravi Zacharias, who he shows a brief clip of toward the end of the video right before exposing John Wesley whose brother Charles may have also been unconverted yet was able to write some great hymns, like my favorite, “And Can It Be“ as the fourth stanza of it accurately describes the salvation experience.
Frankly, it boggles the mind unless Charles really was converted and wasn’t the hypocrite that his brother was.
look at the worship songs that come out today
do you think every single one of them are saved?
Hey brother! I have an earnest question!
Are you using Ai voice generated audios? And if so, where do you get these amazing voices???
Some were volunteers and some were from Fiverr.
Ok I'm convinced that few understand rightly dividing and dispensations. We do separate the old testament from the new. Not knowing how to rightly divide and dispensation will have you mixing law with grace and having neither.
How those glasses working for you Bill?
This documentaris amazing, but this part has me lost, the cessationism claim in 54:00
Corinthians 13:8-12 was not referring to Paul claiming spiritual gifts will cease. This is an opinion not backed by the word of God.
Or is there a distinction between apostalic miracles vs gifts of the holy spirit?
The signs of the apostles ended with that generation. The work of the Holy Spirit didn't. Please watch to the end.
2 Corinthians 12:12, check the Greek, it says "IN signs wonders and miracles"
sakeofthetruth.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/cults-counterfeits-charismatics.pdf
Great documentary! However, I think that John Wesley's letter was written by him in a mood of dejection. I think many true christians can at times write such a letter in seasons of spiritual darkness.
For instance, the Rev. John Love (an orthodox presbyterian minister) came to Christ. But later, in a period of spiritual darkness and, he began to doubt his conversion (He has written this in his diary). But after a period of time, the Sun of Righteousness began to shine upon his soul again, and again he rejoiced in Christ.
Thank you! Only God can judge hearts, but the letter wasn't a momentary depression. He said the same thing to Charles in another letter years later. The more you dig into Wesley, the more dishonest and crazed he becomes.
@@ancientpathstv Thanks for your reply. Anyway, I will be sharing this channel with anyone who is interested. Well done, and keep posting!
Dan Long and others have done in-depth investigations into the subjects featured in 'God's Generals'
The truth isn't pretty and yet these men are still held up as paragons of the faith. 😢
Edit : Posted before you referenced the book 😂
1:32:11 he’s got the same serpent eyes thing going on as Kenneth Copeland. It was funny noticing that then the very next clip is creepy Kenny looking completely sinister.
Must we have a denomination? Must we even congregate? Must we have a label other than child of God?
Jesus makes clear in Matthew 18 that if someone won’t hear a visible church, they’re not to be treated as a Christian. Acts 15 makes clear local congregations are supposed to stand together on the truth. All manner of groups call themselves Christian, so different labels can help differentiate real ones from the counterfeit.
"Trinitarian"??
@ancientpathstv so am I going to hell for not going to a building? The body of Christ is a spiritual body. Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. You don't follow men that follow Jesus, we follow Jesus and the gospel of grace that He died to give us. Ecumenicalism has taken over your local church. The trinity? No, the Godhead, yes. The trinity is catholic beast church teaching.
@rickcampanella4254 did Jesus start a church ??
@rickcampanella4254 Ephesians 4:11-12
New International Version
11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
According to Dr. Vinson Synan, the account of Agnes Ozman's speaking in tongues in Chinese was confirmed in a Chinese laundry. He said it was in 'some of their papers.' I probably should have pressed on the topic of publishing that, but we were talking about something else that was time sensitive. I have also read that Bohemians confirmed that Ozman spoke in tongues in Bohemian.
There were numerous accounts from The Azusa Street Revival and other Pentecostal meetings at that time of people understanding speaking 'in tongues' in their own language at the Azusa Street meetings and elsewhere, and there have been numerous accounts of similar experiences on the missions fields and elsewhere since. Parham thought tongues were to evangelize the world. That was a popular idea with some early Pentecostals, but it did not have a solid exegetical basis. There is no evidence that the 120 actually __preached___ in tongues. They could have been praising God in tongues.
AG Garr had an experience where someone identified him as speaking in tongues in Bengali, which sounded different on that occasion from what he had said in tongues previously. When he went to India, he did not find that he just spoke in tongues in the local dialect. That wasn't guaranteed to happen in scripture. It was an assumption he and others he had heard had made. In Acts 2, many in the crowd could understand what was spoken in tongues, but not in I Corinthians 14.
I've seen many Pentecostal claims. As seen in the video, they don't hold up to scrutiny.
Your story goes against the historic account.
Nice story, but it isn't true 🤷♂️
I watched to the documentary and would like to ask a question: where does reason begin and where do faith start and how do those two aspects come together? I ask this question because God gives us a brain, but the scripture that it is impossible to please him without faith. The idea that Jesus says my sheep know my voice and will follow me comes to my mind. If we desire him, he will respond not out of selfish gain but out of true humility. Respectfully,
Faith isn't a "leap into the void;" it's trusting the God of the Bible, based on what He has revealed about Himself. He has shown Himself trustworthy, so we do what He says through the Biblical prophets and apostles. The issue of the video, is that counterfeit prophets and apostles twist the Bible or add to it.
Church history gives us a pretty good idea of the difference between faith and presumption. When COVID hit, we didn't look for new revelation on how we should handle it. We prayed and tried to act reasonably in the light of the Scriptures. He tells us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves, and the government seemed to be clearly lying. By faith, we kept meeting, even though the local government said we couldn't. Some people stayed home for a while; others didn't. Some people wore masks, while others didn't. We asked everyone to give one another Christian liberty. We didn't invite persecution, but we didn't avoid it either. By not making a spectacle of ourselves, we had no trouble, and no one got COVID from the worship services.
God didn‘t give us a brain so we can shut it off, he gave it to us so we use our brains too.
I make a very wild guess that you have some experience with the charismatic circle, as I have asked myself this question many times. Pentecostal movements mystify the faith in a way where you really have to turn off all logic and reason for their doctrines to make sense.
Faith and reason go hand in hand.
From Charismatic to Lutheransim....That's my story.
From Charismatic to Presbyterian… That’s me
@@a_advocate_333 I spent about 8 years in the PCA before I became a LCMS.
@@dedragalyon6879 I’m currently in the OPC but what made you Lutheran? Personally I think Lutheranism is orthodox because that tradition is God centered but before God called me into reformed theology I was considering Lutheranism what made you choose Lutheran?
@@a_advocate_333 Studying the Scriptures in depth and Church history.
@@a_advocate_333 In-depth study of the Scripture and reading ancient church history.
Any chance of an earnest plea to "Christian" freemasons?
Our denomination did this years ago. 🙂 opc.org/GA/masonry.html
We also touched on it briefly in this. th-cam.com/video/kTef-yb-VZk/w-d-xo.html
What in Dowy Heal Margaret McDonald
- So do you consider the entire Wesleyan movement, including the whole Methodist church, as heretical?
- Confessional Lutherans, upholding the doctrine of sola fide, assert that one may condemn himself by resisting God’s saving grace, especially through apostasy. Do you find this view orthodox?
John Wesley himself was a liar and a heretic. The Wesleyan movement is varied, so I don't want to offer a blanket evaluation. For many, Whitefield continued to moderate Wesley's teachings, even though Wesley had tried to expel such influences.
Lutherans are likewise all over the map. Thankfully, despite some confusion, few conservative ones will reject Luther's Bondage of the Will outright.
Additional questions:
-So do you think conservative Lutherans not accepting the perseverance of the saints (allowing the possibility of total apostasy) are still upholding the True Gospel?
- Many modern Calvinists are largely conciliatory towards Arminians while disagreeing with them, accepting that God’s mysterious was of salvation cannot be fully analyzed by human reasoning. Do you approve of their stance?
- I love the hymn at the end of this video. But couldn’t its message also justify Wesleyan ‘second work of Grace’ - God’s stern discipline and our consequent afflictions FURTHER PURIFYING our hearts and thus allowing us to reach the Christian perfection?
@@장인호-s3m Lutherans sometimes confuse membership in the visible and invisible church. If someone believes a person can be truly regenerated and then lost, they have a poor understanding of the gospel.
Similarly, I've spoken with many self-described Arminians, or "Cal-minians" who deny the doctrines of grace, but then confess that God saved them in spite of themselves. Arminianism is another gospel, but not all its proponents seem to understand the issues.
Sanctification is the work of God's Spirit in all who have been regenerated, but that's altogether different from Wesley's second work of grace that supposedly brings perfection in this life. Believers are counted perfect from Christ's sake now, and will be perfected, but not until they are with Him. Wesleyanism only makes sense as an overreaction to "easy believism."
@@ancientpathstvcan you do a video of Lutheranism?
@@a_advocate_333 A short video on their insistence on Christ's physical presence in communion being the test of orthodoxy is coming very soon.
I stand with Jesus and not men
The Kundalini spirit is not the Holy Spirit
As an adult, I began to question how I was raised (Ultra-conservative apostolic) and my belief system. I have accepted christ as my savior but have struggled to find an actual place to worship . The biggest barrier has been the issue of free will. I understand the concept of grace and I fully accept that. But I do not understand why Jesus would die on the cross for only a few people. If calvinism is correct, then humans are really just robots instead of having any free will. It also makes sense why so many calvinist become humanists. It is so confusing and I am not saying I am correct. I just do not see how calvinism can be true.
Please watch this video made by someone else and feel free to call me anytime. th-cam.com/video/oCtrOqYXekE/w-d-xo.html
How can the shame be justified in hell if they rejected something (salvation) that they never could have had? Thanks.
Thats my issue on Calvinism
@@theprodigal7143 It's the same issue that runs through the video of presuming to judge the Word of God by our experience rather than our experience by the Word of God. The Lord through the Apostle Paul anticipates your objection in Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Apart from the grace of God, I never would have come to Him, no matter what blessings He offered. I hated God and would have crucified Christ, rather than submit to Him. I would have stopped my ears and stoned Stephen to prevent me from hearing the truth. It wasn't that I lacked ability. It was that I was evil. My heart was desperately wicked. I have every expectation that like a drug addict, I would have clung to my sin forever in Hell, rather than turn to God.
In spite of all this, Jesus died for ungodly sinners like me. His Spirit took out my heart of stone and gave me a new heart that loves Him. I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me directly if needed. My number is on the church website.
@@ancientpathstv i cant find your phone number on your webpage
@@theprodigal7143 www.gospelutah.org/contact.html
If your whole religion is based upon Peter being the Rock then you're lost.
Mega-church, mammon-driven Christianity is the problem. The format is unbiblical regardless of what is practiced.
The better use of mammon is needed (go to the parable of unjust steward or in modern sense - dishonest treasurer)
Luke 16:1-13
I have locked horns with that Arminian, tongue-babbling heretic, Michael Brown.
Singing repetitive songs is not praying but paganism.
What do you know us Paganism
There is a lot of good things here, but a lot of defamation as well. It would be easy to tell Calvin's story in a way horrible and full of sins. Therefore, this was not a fair treatment of the subject.
You offer name-calling, but don't identify a single instance of misrepresentation. A story of Calvin that is "horrible and full of sins" would not be honest. th-cam.com/video/iC58NtAeHZA/w-d-xo.html
She never looked healed
Able but not necessarily willing.
Nothing Catholicism says has value
Trinity ??
Rapture is Baal worship
Your claims about Wesley believing that we only attain salvation through imparted righteousness and entire sanctification are false.
Excerpts from John Wesley's Sermon: Justification by Faith
I. 9. This, therefore, is the general ground of the whole doctrine of justification. By the sin of the first Adam, who was not only the father, but likewise the representative, of us all, we all fell short of the favour of God; we all became children of wrath; or, as the Apostle expresses it, "judgment came upon all men to condemnation." Even so, by the sacrifice for sin made by the Second Adam, as the Representative of us all, God is so far reconciled to all the world, that he hath given them a new covenant; the plain condition whereof being once fulfilled, "there is no more condemnation" for us, but "we are justified freely by his grace, through the redemption that is in Jesus Christ."
II. 1. But what is it to be "justified" What is "justification" This was the Second thing which I proposed to show. And it is evident, from what has been already observed, that it is not the being made actually just and righteous. This is "sanctification;" which is, indeed, in some degree, the immediate fruit of justification, but, nevertheless, is a distinct gift of God, and of a totally different nature. The one implies what God does for us through his Son; the other, what he works in us by his Spirit. So that, although some rare instances may be found, wherein the term "justified" or "justification" is used in so wide a sense as to include "sanctification" also; yet, in general use, they are sufficiently distinguished from each other, both by St. Paul and the other inspired writers.
II. 5. The plain scriptural notion of justification is pardon, the forgiveness of sins. It is that act of God the Father, hereby, for the sake of the propitiation made by the blood of his Son, he "showeth forth his righteousness (or mercy) by the remission of the sins that are past." This is the easy, natural account of it given by St. Paul, throughout this whole epistle. So he explains it himself, more particularly in this and in the following chapter. Thus, in the next verses but one to the text, "Blessed are they," saith he, "whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered: Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." To him that is justified or forgiven, God "will not impute sin" to his condemnation. He will not condemn him on that account, either in this world or in that which is to come. His sins, all his past sins, in thought, word, and deed, are covered, are blotted out, shall not be remembered or mentioned against him, any more than if they had not been. God will not inflict on that sinner what he deserved to suffer, because the Son of his love hath suffered for him. And from the time we are "accepted through the Beloved," "reconciled to God through his blood," he loves, and blesses, and watches over us for good, even as if we had never sinned.
You're assuming Wesley was honest and consistent. He was neither. I've provided documented citations to prove my assertion. Rather than simply quoting another source, you need to demonstrate that I'm misrepresenting him in the citations I provided.
James Randi: “Faith healing is awful, instead you should be a hopeless nihilist.”
Have you seen this? th-cam.com/video/zocVwJ66Zms/w-d-xo.html
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I have! It was fantastic. Thank you for making it! I’d love to see something about the history of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the New Age movement!