Great Content!! Hey! About the base, is the quickest way to improve all your skills on the bike. I made Biking Brasil this year, a gravel race 1000 km, 18.000 m Elv Gain 5 days to cross the line, self support and non stop, big effort... the training was about base and endurance on the bike. at the end of 10th week I was riding 8 hours non stop on zone 2 and was fast(Compare to the beggining), no fatige, quick recover if there was a climb and with really god sensation on the bike, you get used to the bike... . At the end of the race I thought that I took the best choice creating the BASE.. God bless the Base and the pedal!, ride safe!
I’m currently in base on the C2C plan so I don’t know why I’m watching this but I will say I’ve been enjoying doing more than just volume endurance. I really like the interval work for base.
Good advice, big advocate to get as much base in as possible. Tend to start base soon after a easy prep weeks late spring/early summer . As a CX/gravel rider do alot of base in the summer but with recent date conflicts and team responsibilities next two months that has changed from going into late build for races back to base for late winter/spring goals.
Endurance means a number of things. This is probably perfect for crits, however Mark Beaumont actually recommends doing the opposite for base building, as he's talking about 24 hr + rides.
personally, i start my sweet spot work with a min of 60min time in zone, generally 3x20 and build from there. Twice a week and lots of endurance around it works well for me. Just another perspective!
yes, def. get there after a block or two, I even end up doing 2x30 or even longer, but just starting out i don't have people jump into 3x20 at SS. assuming their FTP test was accurate that's just too much too soon for most people
@@NorCalCycling Gotcha, glad the progression moves into normal ranges pretty quickly. My coach had me start at 3x20 an added a few minutes each sweet spot day, working up to 3x40 or 2x60 or more. Those longer rides definitely generate a lot of fatigue though, so even only a couple per week feels like plenty of intensity.
Is sweet spot really worth it? I feel like everyone has his theory about it and it's quite frustrating that experts can't agree on it. Many coaches say that the best training is to have a lot of Z2 and some Z4-Z5, while sweetspot is Z3...
Then just let yourself get dropped. The pack ride isn’t worth sacrificing your own base ride for. One thing I’ve tried to do is pull them during a stated base ride, and then DELIBERATELY slow down on the climbs and BLOCK ppl who try to “Pin it” They get the idea after a while and stop pulling stupid shit like that. It’s always the ones with ego but no fitness to speak off who need to sprint the hills and then coast the downhills.
Jeff… I have always Wondered 🤔… You LOVE to Race! So you Hire a Coach…Your Coach starts you on Program so you can be the Best you can be, so you’ll PEAK at that Race/Races you’d like to Win… “But” you’re now on a Team, and the Teams Plan doesn’t match your Coaches Training Plan… And you’re told in a few early Season Races, and other Races that “Your Job” is to chase down all the Breaks, and to destroy yourself for someone else on the Team can Win? Where/When do you start to/can you separate all the hard Work your Coach wants you to do for you, and then realize that maybe being a Domestique has been your calling (# you’re now part of the Leadout Train for Legion)… So why/then have a Coach that’s been Training You for You to Win… Thoughts 🤔🚴♂️🚴♀️🚴♂️
swapped from SS base to polarized last year and got much better results (10W higher FTP in summer and top step in Cx this season) n=1 is not science . plus could be that just making ANY change after 10 seasons was bound to help?😜
Everyone else: It's the foundation of a pyramid. Jeff: It's the foundation of a skyscraper. Dude, you're a geologist, why not call it bedrock or something?
Wondering if you could help on this one. Race on a cat1 level but getting up in age, only been averaging about 8 hours per week. Doing what you do, if you could only commit to 8 hours max per week, what would you do?
good thing about endurance training, is the fundamentals are the same! some of the specific crit racing dynamics I get into in the course itself obviously won't apply but the rest will
Love your videos, but not so sure about your skills as a coach. 85% isnt sweetspot in general base season isnt the time for sweetspot, as you alos see when you look what the pros do
85% isn’t sweet spot? Pros also means they ride their bike for a living. They are able to ride pure volume and much more polarized. It’s been shown that sweet spot benefits many of the same physiologic processes that z2 does aerobically. The benefit being, less volume to achieve certain TSS. So, especially for a time-crunched athlete, sweet spot absolutely makes sense in base.
Hi Jeff
I purchased your program and has seen huge benefits in just 6 months
Thank you
Your a champion of content bro , loving all the crit vids!
Glad you like them!
Great Content!! Hey! About the base, is the quickest way to improve all your skills on the bike. I made Biking Brasil this year, a gravel race 1000 km, 18.000 m Elv Gain 5 days to cross the line, self support and non stop, big effort... the training was about base and endurance on the bike. at the end of 10th week I was riding 8 hours non stop on zone 2 and was fast(Compare to the beggining), no fatige, quick recover if there was a climb and with really god sensation on the bike, you get used to the bike... . At the end of the race I thought that I took the best choice creating the BASE.. God bless the Base and the pedal!, ride safe!
Scholarship submission option is very cool to offer, would have loved that during my broke college years as I was getting into the sport!
me too 😂 thanks for the kind words
I’m currently in base on the C2C plan so I don’t know why I’m watching this but I will say I’ve been enjoying doing more than just volume endurance. I really like the interval work for base.
Good advice, big advocate to get as much base in as possible. Tend to start base soon after a easy prep weeks late spring/early summer . As a CX/gravel rider do alot of base in the summer but with recent date conflicts and team responsibilities next two months that has changed from going into late build for races back to base for late winter/spring goals.
Endurance means a number of things. This is probably perfect for crits, however Mark Beaumont actually recommends doing the opposite for base building, as he's talking about 24 hr + rides.
personally, i start my sweet spot work with a min of 60min time in zone, generally 3x20 and build from there. Twice a week and lots of endurance around it works well for me. Just another perspective!
yes, def. get there after a block or two, I even end up doing 2x30 or even longer, but just starting out i don't have people jump into 3x20 at SS. assuming their FTP test was accurate that's just too much too soon for most people
@@NorCalCycling Gotcha, glad the progression moves into normal ranges pretty quickly. My coach had me start at 3x20 an added a few minutes each sweet spot day, working up to 3x40 or 2x60 or more. Those longer rides definitely generate a lot of fatigue though, so even only a couple per week feels like plenty of intensity.
Is sweet spot really worth it? I feel like everyone has his theory about it and it's quite frustrating that experts can't agree on it. Many coaches say that the best training is to have a lot of Z2 and some Z4-Z5, while sweetspot is Z3...
Nope - you get dropped when they pin it for 1st hill/knoll and you are in Z2/PZ1. Ends Pack portion of Pack Riding. -U10
depends on the size of teh group, the length of the climb, your fitness level compared to others, and a bunch of other factors.
Then just let yourself get dropped. The pack ride isn’t worth sacrificing your own base ride for.
One thing I’ve tried to do is pull them during a stated base ride, and then DELIBERATELY slow down on the climbs and BLOCK ppl who try to “Pin it”
They get the idea after a while and stop pulling stupid shit like that. It’s always the ones with ego but no fitness to speak off who need to sprint the hills and then coast the downhills.
Jeff… I have always Wondered 🤔… You LOVE to Race! So you Hire a Coach…Your Coach starts you on Program so you can be the Best you can be, so you’ll PEAK at that Race/Races you’d like to Win… “But” you’re now on a Team, and the Teams Plan doesn’t match your Coaches Training Plan… And you’re told in a few early Season Races, and other Races that “Your Job” is to chase down all the Breaks, and to destroy yourself for someone else on the Team can Win? Where/When do you start to/can you separate all the hard Work your Coach wants you to do for you, and then realize that maybe being a Domestique has been your calling (# you’re now part of the Leadout Train for Legion)… So why/then have a Coach that’s been Training You for You to Win… Thoughts 🤔🚴♂️🚴♀️🚴♂️
When start to do base work? Just never stop…
i find it so hard to build an ATP); But then again i want to do it myself and understand it.
What about taking a break from riding all together?
swapped from SS base to polarized last year and got much better results (10W higher FTP in summer and top step in Cx this season) n=1 is not science . plus could be that just making ANY change after 10 seasons was bound to help?😜
Everyone else: It's the foundation of a pyramid.
Jeff: It's the foundation of a skyscraper.
Dude, you're a geologist, why not call it bedrock or something?
i kinda like the toppling over part of the analogy lol
Thanks for doing this video, Ive been looking for this type of content on building my base, especially this time of year.
Z2 is the world tour pro's maintainable race pace 😅
deym strong guys
Wondering if you could help on this one. Race on a cat1 level but getting up in age, only been averaging about 8 hours per week.
Doing what you do, if you could only commit to 8 hours max per week, what would you do?
I only do about 10 hours per week, sounds like level 4 or 5 of the c2c plan would be perfect for you.
Love the content🤝
Thank you!
Your content is better than EJs. Sorry if your reading this EJ.
I'm not sure that EJ can read tbh
I can’t 😂
25%OFF. Great!!! 😎
Madone?
does this work for mtb riders
good thing about endurance training, is the fundamentals are the same! some of the specific crit racing dynamics I get into in the course itself obviously won't apply but the rest will
I wish there was more Non- crit content as he is a great content creator.
Do another couch to crit series, please!
taking this year off, the series might be back in late 2024 but I need a break from it rn 😅
@@NorCalCycling Okay. I understand. 😢
Love your videos, but not so sure about your skills as a coach. 85% isnt sweetspot in general base season isnt the time for sweetspot, as you alos see when you look what the pros do
85% isn’t sweet spot?
Pros also means they ride their bike for a living. They are able to ride pure volume and much more polarized. It’s been shown that sweet spot benefits many of the same physiologic processes that z2 does aerobically. The benefit being, less volume to achieve certain TSS. So, especially for a time-crunched athlete, sweet spot absolutely makes sense in base.
85% is the general starting point and it's a build from there. I just prescribe what has been shown to fast track success
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