S4V2 Theory: The upside down was initially just a empty space with red fog and mountains, until Henry was sent there by Eleven. He created Hawkings from his mind and controls all Demogorgons and other creatures. Since he was obsessed with time and life not having a meaning, he stopped time the day he entered the upside down. That‘s why it‘s stuck in November 6th 1983.
I’m convinced we’ll learn his “sensitivity” as a kid somehow caused him to connect with the mind flayer, who gave him his psychic powers. That would explain why the lights flicker whenever he uses his powers. That doesn’t happen when Eleven uses her powers
What if the mindflare didn’t exist yet,think about it yes the upside down existed but it doesn’t mean the mind flare existed as well,we can’t confirm he did it not,vecna was the first human to enter and transform,eleven didn’t escape that night she sent 1 into the upside down,we can tell because she made contact with the demigorgan later on,so what if the upside down existed but the only creatures that existed was the demigorgans,the when 001 went in he created the mind flare to cause havoc which in term let’s him see elevens powers,think about it the mind flare doesn’t care for evens powers it keeps coming and coming,but it isn’t till she loses her powers that 001 chooses to attack which makes no sense why wouldn’t the mind flare keep attacking unless he was controlled by 001 himself,since it resembles a spider it makes sense that 001 created the mind flare but it’s just a theorey
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to idk, I believe that something is goin on with the mind flare rn. Seems to not be in sight when Steve, and everyone is in the upside down. If u watch the trailer for volume 2, u see hopper is in a room with a dusty tornado locked in a room, which could be the mind flare somehow imprisoned,like the demogorgon, in Russia
I thought in the first 2 seasons they said eleven got her powers because of experiments done on her parents, like the parents taking LSD and other drugs
I don’t think he meant to leave victor creel alive the only reason victor did not die was because he heard the music from the living room. But Henry mistook it for not being powerful enough yet. You can tell that he realized this mistake when max got away from him. He realizes the power that music, friends and love have on people something he has never been able to understand. Also if you notice when he had his showdown with eleven at the end of episode 7. Eleven recalls what he says about channeling a memory that is sad and angry. When she channels that memory she actually is weaken (hence way he can easily throw her around) but all of a sudden she recalls another memory one of her mother telling her she loves her. A memory fueled by live this memory helps eleven overpower Henry.
She wasn't weakened. It just wasn't powerful enough to overcome 001's power attack against her. Remember that she used the same method to overpower 002. Her enhanced method of finding the happy memory brought her more strength.
I really thought he was gonna be a good guy when he was helping Eleven, actually felt sorry for him when he was being tortured too🤦♂️ that was a big plot twist
um... you thought he'd end up good with those psycho eyes of his? 😅 it's all in the eyes, bro. he had an unsettling menace even at the first intro shot
@@Crysalis-bd9so it wasn't just the eyes. Yeah at 1st I thought he was bad but then he end up trying to help 11, giving her advice and tips, so I end up changing my mind and thought he was a good guy, and on top of that he was was being torchered by poppa, so that made me think he really was on the good side, then the plot twist like a mfka! Who would've thought he was that evil kid killing his entire family and end up being Vecna at the end. Sooooo, yeah, that was from my take in watching the Strangers Things🤷♂️
i personally don't think that henry left victor alive to be framed. as he said, he didn't know the limit to his powers, so just before being able to kill victor, henry passed out due to overstimulation, resulting in a coma. victor then got arrested because he was the only family member standing.
@@KDBetter doesn't make sense to have his dad in the trance, and when is dad expalins how he escaped it was due to the music, not Henry passing out.... That is either a plot hole, vecna just lies (which he has been doing to El, or bad writing
@@lilymae7516 Actually, the dad was able to resist because of the music, which was unexpected by Henry who, as a response, had to put more energy into maintaining the trance... resulting in him drying himself out of power and falling into a coma. So the dad did not escape directly because of the music but because Henry passed out, even if that's what he believed. And the dad didn't know that it was Henry all along either.
This thumbnail is a huge spoiler. Ive seen the whole season so it hasnt spoiled it for me but id hate for anyone who hasnt caught up yet to pass this video in their youtube feed. Edit: One week later and the thumbnail has changed to be spoilerless. Thanks for being mindful of others BrainPilot. Very cool.
I never thought Vecna was Henry kreel, I was really surprised when they revealed that, I think Henry's powers are connected with the mind flayer, I don't know how he got them but I think with more analysis on him we might know, or maybe volume 2 of season 4 might reveal that.
I don’t think his powers were connected to the mind flare at all,elevens aren’t connected to it as well,they could’ve just developed powers on their own with no influence,but for all we know vecna created the mind flare,what are the odds it resembles a spider,my guess is,the demigorgans existed as long as the upside down has existed,think about it 11 sent vecna in and he was transformed,11 didn’t escape that same night,she was captured and studied on and found the drmigorgan,which would link 11 to vecna,vecna could’ve created the mindflare to test 11 powers behind the shadows,think about it mind flare resembles a spider,why is it till 11 loses her powers does vecna appear he could’ve appeared any other time,and it isn’t till 11 that the mind flare isn’t in charge,theory is that vecna created the mind flare to test and kill 11 that’s why he’s been behind the scenes
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to that doesn’t make sense. Season 2 explain that mind flayers goal was to spread and take over the real world. If vecna created the mind flayer why didn’t the mind flayer go straight for 11. The mind flayer didn’t meet 11 until the last episode of szn 2. which is why in szn 3 the mind flayers mission was to kill 11 cuz he knew she was a threat. 11 lost her powers while fighting the mind flayer in szn 3 but she didn’t kill it. so the mind flayer knew she lost her powers. And since everything is connected in the upside down through the mind flayer, the mind flayer couldve alerted vecna that this was his chance kill 11 now that shes powerless
Henry got his abilities similar to eleven who got it because her mother was given drugs while she was pregnant . His father Victor was in the war. If you listened to Hopper he said earlier in the show that during the war they would make them work with agent orange. He also mention that people would have after effects from all the exposure with the chemicals such as birth defects or illness. This would be a good reason to why Henry has his powers
His backstory is so interesting honestly and I love that music and happy memories hold the power to bring someone back. He's a true socio/pyscopath honestly.
I knew that the man helping 11 at the facility was 001 but him being the kreel kid was a big shocker. Also when he tricked 11 into removing the probe from his neck was masterful writing as well. Made her think it was just a gps tracker but in reality it limited his abilities so he could not hurt anyone and escape.
This is one "twist" I actually saw coming. When I saw that Vecna resembled a human his body and speech, the way he used his mind / powers, and the way they were hinting at what had happened to number one I knew it was number one.
Even before I knew he was Vecna, he had very creepy manipulative behavior… anyways.. I just bought a chinchilla and named him Vecna.. 😂 can’t wait to see the next two episodes!!!! Love ❤️ it
I think that volume 2 will start with Nancy still in Vecna's hideout but now he's giving the second part of his monologue. I think it'll be about how Vecna entered this harmless alternate dimension and used his power to turn it into an evil world with the hopes that he could build it up to the point where he could take over our world. I think the mind flayer was in fact Vecna's general and it's been after eleven this whole time because Vecna knows that she's the only one that could stop him and in turn stop his world takeover.
I agree with this,we know 11 sent vecna to the upside down,that same night she didn’t escape she was captured,vecna was transformed in the upside down,for all we know it was a barren wasteland before he showed up and created the demigorgans and all the creatures,that’s how 12 was able to contact the demigorgans after sending vecna,the mind flare is a giant spider who’s love with spiders?vecna,it makes sense,vecna probably created the mindflare to keep an eye and attack on 11 to test her powers and see how long she has come,that’s why in 3 seasons he never showed up or showed his presence but the flare did,and it wasn’t till 11 lost his powers that he was able to attack,if the mind flare is aware of 11’s powers being gone wouldn’t it make sense for the mind flare to attack instead?why vecna?vecna could definitely have created the flare to keep track of her powers till the right time
What a twist & what an actor 001 is 👏👏 This scene kinda reminded me of Tom Riddle(Voldemort) Duffer Brothers r doing what D&D (GameOfThrones) couldn't do 🔥🔥
I hope 008 comes back in Volume 2. Her character didn’t make much sense though because as we saw, all the other kids had telekinetic abilities, whereas 008 didn’t possess those at all, only the power to make people see things that weren’t actually there.
Well with season 4 we know now how her character makes sense :) as Henry is the original "gifted" it is told that he has the three main abilities known : moving things with his mind, entering the memory of any living creature, and sending hallucinations. Eleven inherited the first and second ability, Kali the last. Kali could have been the only one who could develop this ability. Or Eleven, now knowing that she is One's clone, could unlock this third ability herself...
I hope so too, people hated her unnecessarily. Her character wasn't so well written but nothing to absolutely hate on. I think 001 tried to groom 008 as well to get out of the lab and kill all those people, but Kali being a bit older probably didn't fall for it or at least she didn't take out that chip in his neck to basically free him.
I thought there was something fishy about Henry from the first moment we learn about his supposed death : Victor says he was in a coma for days before dying. That doesn't work with the way the other victims die, including his mother and sister. And with the chronology of the events, I immediatly thought he could be one of Brenner's kids. I didn't think he would be the origin of the program, though.
I think that he most definitely was being genuinely kind to her because he saw himself in her but I think he was manipulating Eleven and planning on getting her to take out the implant that took his powers.
But I mean he never asked her to remove the chip. It was from her own kindness that she offered to take it out, he just got lucky. I don’t think he manipulated her
Both the writing and Jamie's acting really struck such an impressive balance for the backstory with Henry! I feel like a lot of times you'll get archetypes for villains where they're either humanized to the point where they almost become an "antihero" kind of figure, or at least a tragic figure that people can sympathize with, or alternatively, they're presented as "born evil" with no real development or nuance. With Henry, it's clear that he was born antisocial, but you also see how his circumstances and environment contributed to his growing rage that ultimately turned into outright evil. None of that's to downplay what he became, of course, but just to recognize that they did a good job giving that trajectory a more human origin. In his interactions with young El, too, Jamie's performance was SO good because it treaded that line between his sinister intentions and a genuine kinship that he'd felt with El perfectly. I've seen a lot of people comparing him to Voldemort/Tom Riddle, and while it's true they're very similar archetypes on paper, I think Henry/Vecna is better realized, which is super impressive given how they managed better nuance for him in like 5 minutes of backstory and monologue than Voldemort had in 7 whole books!
If you really look at it two of the other subjects defeated Henry Creel during the massacre, 11 and 13. In many of the scenes of the playback for 11 to get her power back, the door to 13's room was always close and when 11 was walking toward the play area during the massacre you can see 13's door behind her still close. So 11, 13 and Dr. Brenner survived the massacre.
@@Keron51 when henry talked to eleven earlier about the time her mother came for her he "eight was still here" meaning she had already left the lab way before the massacre
So were all the other test subject created from Henry Creel’s DNA? There was a scene where he said after Brenner realized he couldn’t control Henry he decided to “make more” with his powers. I guess that means all the kids he killed may have been his biological offspring
You're forgetting it was revealed in one of the first seasons that 11's mother was a subject of project mk ultra. I think there's a pattern of parents going through something that affect the kids as it mirror's hop's story with his kid when he worked with agent orange and that affected his daughter's health. Maybe Victor did something in ww2 that could've opened up henry's powers?
@@yvessaulnier8986 YESSSS, it was mentioned indeed, in fact the sister of 011 moms said that she even was consuming LSD because and for MK ultra project to see if she could “expand her mind” with it but she didn’t know she was pregnant at the time, and made us believe that’s why 011 had her powers, so basically for drugs and experiments, so mixing the original story with now Henry kreel would be very interesting, I hope the writers don’t fuck it up and don’t actually forget about what they wrote on the first season 😭😭😭 about why elevens powers and sht
@@yvessaulnier8986 what I never understood is Elevens mom makes the lights flicker in s2. It made me thing she had some abilities herself? I didn’t get how she was able to do that and make the t.v static
Because it literally has not been stated. All TH-camrs would do is theorize. It just hasn’t been told or shown how he survived. Just like many other things about the series that are left unexplained for now
There wasn’t a body in season 1 just a drag mark. Its possible that Vecna was controlling the demogorgan, and left him alive because he’s also seeking to learn something from Brenner. Its not lost on me he lived through the massacre, but that also could have been to taunt him with the loss of all those kids. I’m more inclined to think though that the monster sensed Els weakness and went after her. Or maybe someone shot at the beast and pulled Brenner away. Either way, he lived , and that’s noted in Season 2 with that worker that El didn’t kill. Brenner was in hiding, presumably to fix the mistake he made. My bigger question is how did Brenner know Henry Creels mother and why would she want to send her kid to him?
@@vibesmom interesting :) And to answer your question. Henry Creel killed his mother and sister and drove his father to insanity blaming the murders on his father as shown in season 4. He didnt got sent to Brenner by either off his parents, Brenner picked him up as an orphan
@@brandonreed09 Yeah, but still, she was mistreated after she "killed almost everyone" in the lab! before that, Brenner stood up for Eleven after she was bullied
I think Henry’s powers turned evil when they moved to Hawkins. The scene when Henry is a boy and the lights start flickering, he seemed confused as if he didnt do it himself. I think there is an older evil spirit in the attic. There was a wedding dress, a baby crib and an old rocking/wheelchair. I think the house has an evil past and it prayed on Henry’s powers. Think about it, Henry didn’t turn evil until he saw those spiders. And thats always the first thing Vecna’s victims see.
Henry explained to Eleven that mankind is always busy with time, eat, drink, sleep repeat. And also said that all spiders are the gods of the Earth and they should be treated with respect. So his big plan has Vecna is to bring the Mind-Flayer,it's democreatures into Earth to invade, conquer and destroy humanity.
I feel like his motivation to become evil was really dumb. There was no sign of his family being dysfunctional or toxic. It was just very “I hate everyone and this world lemme be evil”.
I figured out that 001 and Henry were the same as soon as 001 popped up as the orderly however, I never suspected that Henry kreel would be the same person as vecna. That blew my damn mind
I suspected Henry to be Vecna when Victor creel said that he went into a coma it didn't make sense for me why kill the mother and daughter but put the kid in a coma. I caulked it up to fear but had my suspicions. Everyone knew that 001 was vecna that was obvious
Brilliant job, James Campbell is a captivating actor, I really loved his character before all the evil, I knew in my gut he wasn't going to stay good and really hoping he would at the same time 🙂 thank you for the video 👍🇦🇺🕊.
Theory: In season 4 episode 6 when Eleven is playing with the Plinko game in the rainbow room and One is talking to her, she drops one of the pucks down and it lands in number 6 upright. In that shot, you can see 4, 5, and 6 are like that. 7 is missing and 8 is laying flat. A little further in that scene and one drops his directly down flat on 1 just like 8. Back in season 2 episode 7 you get the feeling that 8 is kinda bad and is using bad memories and hate to fuel her powers. One told Eleven that she needed to channel “something that made him sad and also angry” the same exact thing eight told eleven to do. I feel like eight and One are connected and that she will return. Me and my friends figured this out together
Even if it makes sense thematically, I seriously doubt we’ll see much more of 8. That episode was heavily panned and audiences didn’t react well to any of those characters. Putting characters people like to watch >>> a twist imo.
@@DoubleStudentLoans trust me. That episode with her in season 2 fell very very flat but just because it wasn’t received well by audiences doesn’t mean they’ll cut a part of the story out. 8 might have a role to play with one before she ran away from the lab. We’ll just have to wait and see though
I agree, 8, I think, will come back. Her powers mirror 01 in every way, however I’m wondering if she will either trick Vecna in the end with his own game, or help him face himself and escape from hate. It’s hard to tell. We don’t know what her experience with El taught her or how she moved forward after that. She also plays a roll in the first book, so I think she’s important. 01,08,11 all have a connection , and her mother sent her there to meet 8 for a reason. Also, If your looking at numbers check out the room number Murray and Joyce stay in, and also Eddie”s uncles trailer. Addition and subtraction land on 8 and the Duffers love playing with clues.
Number1 could totally be 11’s dad….. think he’s old enough… heck he could be the father of all those kids and that’s why they are called siblings and have powers.
He probably is, but the problem with that is that he's around 15 years older than 002 which is kind of odd since he would be a minor when 2 was born 🥲 let's hope the whole breeding thing was via blood or something and not sexua! abuse bc he has enough traumas already
@Kensin. I'm pretty much convinced this is not the case at all. I'm not even sure that "the upside down" existed before the confrontation with El. They might use it as a weird reason in the ending but it would make less sense. Henry view on the world explained his own physical struggle but also beliefs. And he isn't wrong. The world is in disorder thanks to humans. This is - 100% - true. The cruelty of how we gain food today is beyond hellish proportions. The ideology how everything in this world is created to control. Is also true. The ways a human life is about education - job - pension - death is true as well. Also the weirdest part is how we still have the same look on life as thousands years ago. Not in every manner, but in many. Humans learn we are incapable of doing mostly anything but still news papers shows us daily updates about everything. Does any news articles gives us any ways to change things? No. Instead we go our job, at our office and talks about things that doesn't really concern our state in the world. We elect people to bring justice in the world, but instead are puppets controlled by people outside the public space. And we aren't stupid. We all knows this is happening, all time. But it easier to forget the cruelty and harshness in reality and focus on a baby's smile or a daughter first step in the grass field. We are constantly also manipulated by media and cooperation's to act and behave as they want us too. And if we don't they put even more effort to control us. Not the individuals thoughts - but the group thinking. … There is other ways too. I seen a family life on a boat in Caribbean, just vloging their life and having fun. Just like Henry they see the world as possibility to do other things as well. A father called him "sensitive". I would more or less call his father someone who wanted to control his child. And when that didn't happen what was about to happen? They wanted to send him to the "prison" to be studied. Like a lab rat. A place where they torture him, or manipulate him until he displayed the "powers" he had. And what did they do thereafter? They created copies of him. All subjects from 02-13 are copies of Henry created inside artificial way. They also locked him in. You notice how old "Henry" is? Imagine being forced to be a prisoner in such a place as that was. Only surrounded by copies of yourself. And being forced to be a "guard". What I'm saying is... just adding the spoiled notion that "Oh poor henry was controlled by a mind flayer" would remove the whole impact on ... "Something is different, lets study it, then kill it" mentality that was present during 1950s in hospitals and mental institutions .
There's just a lot behind of the story that we didn't understand yet, I was thinking also about Dr. Brenner's said before he died he said to 011 that "Soon you will understand"
I have to admit, Henry’s backstory is a bit tragic and sad…I mean, he was just a kid when his powers emerged, and something horrible must’ve happened to him that made him distrust humans. Hope we get a spin off with him as the main character…
I have so many things to say including how his dad plays a bigger role in this because of the fact they mention him returning from war(Russia?), Henry giving him bad memories form the war with the shelling spilling children(does Henry hate him or want him to suffer for what he did, were these kids experiments?), and killing the whole family except the dad to frame him, again is Henry doing these things to the dad to make him suffer for a reason. Also just noticed this and haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere though I can’t imagine it being too relevant. The mind flayed, represents the black widow spider Henry is obsessed with. I don’t remember what animal Henry killed but I think it was a dog? Which could explain the demodogs. Can’t say anything about the demobats though or the rat things. All I know is they are leading to the true origin backstory and there’s more in Henry’s past. They painted the picture of the family just to set up for more. So far it’s literally just he started gaining his powers one day in their new house and grew them Killed neighbors dogs etc. the dad is so perfectly set up to continue to e backstory from him returning from war and having killed children/babies. We’re these experimented babies, was the war in russia, is treat why they moved. This whole thing would explain the true origin of Henry’s powers, and possibly also his personality other than he’s bad because, he’s just bad, and his powers came because, just because.
So in D&D Vecna was betrayed and killed by his second in command, Kas. Kas became a Vampire. I think the demobats point to that element of his character.
When I heard the term mind flayer and Henry's powers, it reminded me of dissociative identity disorder. And Dr. Brenner's methods were traumatic, given El's reactions. With Vecna saying he incorporates the minds of his victim's, that reminds me a DID treatment protocol where the integrate all the identities.
Honestly i just don't understand why Henry is so evil. He had a family who loved him and he killed his mother and sister in the most cruelest way, ruining his father's life. He is someone who is pure evil and doesn't deserve redemption.
He saw how his father dropped bombs on innocent civilians such as the baby crib on fire but the family still pretended to be the perfect nuclear family. I guess he couldn’t handle seeing his father kill and infant and pretend it’s okay
There is something to do with “fairy tales”. Both Victor Kreel & Dr Brenner said something about fairy tales. The whole feeling of the show is “going down the rabbit hole”. The daughter is named Alice, it shows rabbits, etc. Just things I noticed.
I Seriously Think Henry Creel is El's Biological father, as it was never shown that who her father was and it was never even mentioned who her father might have been. This theory also makes sense becoz she was the only one powerful enough to weaken him and banish him to the Upside Down. 001 IS 011'S Father.
Or maybe it's just that a happy memory is more powerful than a sad/angry memory like Henry suggested? Since Henry seems incapable of feeling or understanding what real happiness/love is he has always thought that anger/sadness is what triggers the powers.
This was amazing! Amazing fucking twist!!!! Gave me goosebumps and had my jaw dropped. I knew somehow he wasn’t a good guy that he had a trick up his sleeve. And when they revealed 001 on vecna…just wow! Best season!
|| I have a *Theory!* || ⚠️ *WARNING* ⚠️ *CONTAINS SPOILERS* _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ So, as you know, Henry ( *AKA, 001 / Vecna* ) created the *Upside Down* (At least I think so) which means, he created all the creature there. So let's move back to *Season 3* They had to fight the *Mind Flayer* and, eventually, they won. But, I noticed the *shape* of the Mind Flayer, and focused on it. Let's forward on to Season 4 where Nancy gets (Hypnotized or whatever) and finds out Vecna's backstory, (So did El) he mentioned how he found *spiders* fascinating, so if he created every creature in the upside-down.. he created, the *Mind Flayer.* So, notice how the shape of the Mind Flayer, it's like a spider 🕷️, so, does this mean, in season 5, there will be other *Spider Related* creatures? 🤔 That's my theory! Don't come at me if I spoiled it for you, I warned you about the spoilers.. :/
I swear this storyline looks sooo similar to Harry Potter, who defeated Voldemort because of love and he also was alike to him, just like 011 to 001, just think about it …
I don't think he was "kind to her because she was bullied like he was." I think he saw it as a weakness because he felt weak when he was bullied. So he knew he could manipulate her with that. I don't think he had a moment of kindness in his life.
I think you onto something. It could explain what motivated dr brenner to take Jane in the first place. If 011 and 008 are sisters, there are chances the other kids are somehow related too. Maybe Henry creel got married to produce babies that shared similar DNA. But they have less power than 001 which is why henry has less limits to his power than el. Idk sounds crazy
My bf didn't belive me that Henry was Vecna... I told him when the dad told the story the mom, dad, and sister shown to have visions, curses, ect... and when the boy "died" it remined me of the cover up in season 1 with Will when they used a stuffed doll in the morgue.... plus Henry's dad was only shown to see the daughters face when she died!! I told him it waa sus.... i also now believe 1 helped 8 out, I also do not think she is a good person, we will see tho.
@@pi.log10 ... Not true! Eleven's father was Andrew. Eleven's mother was injected by the blood of Henry Creel by Dr.Brenner when she was a few weeks pregnant. Some goes with the other subjects.
From like the second or third episode I thought vecna was 001 but that still confused me with the whole victor creel thing but now that it’s Henry it makes sense and I always thought the guard was 001
Just a theory, but i think that 001 is eleven dad because he should be around 24 and her mom made eleven. The only reason why eleven won that fight is because shes the daughter of 001 which makes her the strongest because 001 was the strongest person in that lab
So if the actual reason Victor survived was because Henry passed out while using his power, isn't that supposed to cancel off the theory that music causes Victor gain conciousness to escape the Vecna curse & shouldn't be the reason that saved Max ?
no, because the music allowed max to see part of reality. She was able to hit vecna and run away. That makes sense y vecna could throw the rocks at her
@@1saamor897 that's what happened as we knew it. But what I meant it, isn't that like the flaw/hole in the plot because now we know music wasn't the reason Victor survived, but because Henry didn't finished him off.
@@ninoadan8977 i think music was part of it, when Henry killed his mom, the radio was working and because of that Henry had to try harder on the trance, his dad was still in contact to reality due to hearing music in the background and focusing on it cause he was trying to turn the radio off. His mom was already scared of him, so it was easier to kill, i think same for his siter, even though she was still a kid and we weren't shown to have any trauma or guilt, so the mom's death scared her and turned her into an easy victim.
@@ImperiumNox okay what you're saying do makes sense. Henry's narrative kind of neglected the music part (which is crucial to Max's scene) maybe because he wasn't aware of its effect on his power pre-Vecna mode.
@@ninoadan8977 correct, but remember the guy they asked permission from to talk to victor? the guy who owns the pennhurst or something. they were walking through a room with people listening to music and he said that music reaches parts of the mind that helps them get back to reality. i dont know word for word, but the music is one of the cures, which is why some people were listening to classical music or music that they liked. they were listening to music that they can connect with
Vecna aka Henry doesn't like been order around by others. The mind flayer may most likely be using him and manipulating his thinking that he is in control. Knowing the mind flayer as been the God of that world and has been shown time and time again how he was able to use will body and Billy.
001 is quite manipulative himself. I don't think the Mind Flayer could take him over, just like he wasn't able to take over 011. Vecna might be working with it but I think he could betray it at any time.
@@brandonreed09 is possible, but knowing how he consider spider as god. The mind flayer may in his opinion feels more like God and that is where I feel he would not betray it. I maybe wrong, but I do wonder where and what is the mind flayer is planning 😁
I never would have guessed HE would be vecna. He was the only guy I liked back at the mk ultra lab with Eleven. I guess that chip really was holding him back.
He would’ve been in his 20s so he could be 11’s dad that’s my theory like 11s mom look like she was in her 20s maybe they got together in the lab she was a worker
i assume brenner lied to gov about 001's life/death. at least the army guy seems to think 011 killed the people in the lab in '78. and did he make the same fatal flaw not finishing off papa? or was he leaving him to be blamed after seeing it as a more torturous alternative?
I’m still not very satisfied on how he has powers. Other commenters are saying it may be from chemicals when Victor was at war which is 100x better than he was just born with them. Especially in ST, most things are explained “scientifically” like how Eleven has powers from Brenner’s experiments or how the monsters are coming from an alternate reality. No one “just has powers” so I’m convinced there has to be more to it
Wouldn’t make much sense rn, they could do that for the series finale in season 5 but there’s not much time left this season to drag her into the story
He had more then 13 kills, killed numbers 2 until 10 so that's 9 at least 3 guards which is 12 and his mother and sister which would make 14, I'm guessing there are more then 11 subjects in the institute so I'm guessing and also alot more then just 3 guards so I'm guessing his kill count would be close to 20 or 30 before becoming vecna
henrys mother knows something was going on in him and his powers and maybe henrys mothers knows about dr brenner, when henry said that her mother called expert or someone and she wanted to lock him away maybe her mother told brenner about henry creel thats why brenner took henry after murder because why would he take him? what is the reason he wants henry? or he already knows henry has power
Yes, he says his mother called Brenner because she knew Henry had something to do with their demonic hallucinations. "But my mother somehow knew. Knew it was I who was holding up that mirror. She called a doctor, an expert. She wanted him to lock me away, to fix me.. ..And so she left me with no choice. No choice but to act. To break free.. ..I did not yet know my limits. And it nearly killed me. He was arrested, blamed for the death of my sister and mother, just as I had planned. But I was far from free. I woke up from my coma only to find myself placed in the care of a doctor, the very doctor I had hoped to escape. Dr. Martin Brenner."
Wait the same thing that happened to Henry/001 happened to 011 in s4 e3. Henry creel committed a crime and was taken by dr Brenner whom he hoped to escape meaning that he was l already seeing him beforeZ In s4 e3, eleven almost gets arrested but dr Brenner saves her so she could get her powers back.
IMAGINE IF IT WAS THE EXCACT OPPOSITE Like if millie Bobby brown was venca and Henry was innocent (like if millie wasn't auditioning for El but she was auditioning for vecna , and Henry was auditioning for El-Jane
one theory i have, doenst sound too farfetchd either, what if henry is somehow related to will, its possible he would be joyce byers half brother that she knew about but never really got to know. theres so much comparisons between will & henry makes you belueve they are somehow related, i wanted to theorize that maybe he is wills biological father, but that wouldnt be possible if he was w/ brenner the whole time from when he was 12 up until el put him in the upside down. hope they go that route somehow would make for an interesting backstory.
But if Eleven caused Henry Creel to become Vecna by knocking him into the upside down, why did a Vecna go after Max, Fred, Nancy, Chrissy, and not go after Eleven for revenge?
Vecna's plan to destroy humanity's clockwork individualism of eat, work,play,sleep repeat culture. By selecting 4 kids in Hawkins with their darkest memories. Enter into their bodies through their minds by using spiders and clocks based from his childhood years. And get their souls into his dreamscape and suck their minds dry. Collecting enough energy in order to have Mind Flayer, him and it's democreatures escape to invade Earth.
I am still really confused. If eleven was inside of the machine in the middle of the desert in Hawkins how could she have indirectly turned henry into vecna
she was reliving her past memories in the tank. she created the gateway that sent henry into the upside down, which the environment turned him into vecna.
@@sebastianschmidt6136 the code of justice is that vengeance and punishment is different. Vengeance is injustice but punishment is justice. Punishment is negatively affecting someone but to a lesser extent then that person had done so it doesn’t equal hypocrisy but it keeps things fair and is moral for the two sides of every story
@@sebastianschmidt6136 Did you miss the part where Henry literally murdered his little sister? Yeah his father had done bad things, maybe his mother too, we don't really know much about her, but his sister? There's no evidence that she was anything other than totally innocent. And the whole literally trying to destroy the world thing.
Could someone explain the age gap of henry’s human form? When he killed his mother and sister he was maybe 13, and in the lab he’s maybe 20 years old. The time between those two periods is about 20 years, so would that make henry about 30 years old?
Is it said outright anywhere that he's only young 20-something in the lab? I don't think so, right? Jamie himself is 33, he just looks young, so I just figured it's probably supposed to be in the show as well that he's earlier 30-something, which would line up timeline-wise :)
Henry was no ordinary child. Not because he was "sensitive" and "in touch with the supernatural" or another plane of existence - like "The Upside Down." He also wasn't ordinary just because he learned to develop psychokinetic powers...Henry wasn't ordinary because he was a child sociopath. The signs are all there as both Henry/Vecna and his father (which, btw...Victor married Virginia?! V+V...C'mon Duffers...) extrapolate about their shared past. Henry lacked sympathy, or empathy, for anyone's feelings but his own. He may acknowledge the pain of the people he kills and Eleven's fear after the slaughter in Hawkin's lab, but that's all it is...an acknowledgement, which is a part of sociopathy since you can only have a "superficial relationship" with them and also because they use their intelligence, charm, and charisma to lie and manipulate...like Henry did with his family and like he did with Eleven in order to be free of Soteria. From a young age, he obviously had no problem harming/killing animals, which escalated from small animals to bigger ones - like dogs in the neighborhood - until he grew confident and powerful enough to attempt to kill people...which he did with his mother and sister. He "lied for personal gain" to Eleven and also lied and manipulated those three poor teens (and Max) in order to gain " their deaths. He obviously has no aversion to being aggressive or confronting people with the threat and promise of physical harm, if not death. Definitely has some impulsive behavior, since everything is based around what he feels and thinks is "right," even if his logic is flawed and obviously had a hard time holding down a job or being a responsible member of society since he gave that nihilistic speech to Eleven. He obviously also never had a problem committing various crimes...both according to the laws of man and to the laws of nature (but sci-fi, amiright?) The problem is that no one acknowledged these signs in Henry as a young boy...I don't even think psychology, back in the 40's and 50's, would've acknowledged it was possible for a boy like Henry, with sociopathy, to exist...I could be wrong. But Dr. Brenner made it 100% worse since he went ahead and both limited Henry with his powers and then tortured him to remind him of his status in Hawkins Lab. Frankly, I'm really curious as to how Dr. Brenner even knew Henry had powers before taking him into his custody (I don't remember if that was explained in the show or not). So, the real problem isn't that someone like Vecna exists...it's the reality that people like him do exist in the first place. They don't have to psychokinetic powers...they just have to be IN a position of power (like corporate CEO's, lobbyists, politicians, etc...) where they can use their power to the lives of millions in their hands and not feel a smidgen of sympathy, or empathy, for those lives that they dangle between their fingers. Sound familiar?
What episode was it when he has eleven basically running in a time loop around the facility just messing with her head and making her see things that weren’t there? I think it was one of her first times, possibly the first in the iso chamber. That’s when my suspicion started to rise bc Vecna showed he has those abilities with Chrissy and the second victim.
I'd like to see some kind of "fact" number in his kill count pre-Vecna. I believe it's more than 13. Hell, there were 17... I think... Children in Hawkins Lab at the time of Henry's appearance...
0:31 did he smile omg first time dude he would never smile or reveal or express his emotions (I talking about Henry btw) 7:03 dude she’s literally the youngest and Henry is the oldest
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Do you think Henry Creel’s backstory will be explored more in Volume 2? Comment below!
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Yes cuz he’s vecna
And plus he’s still explaining his backstory to Nancy
S4V2 Theory: The upside down was initially just a empty space with red fog and mountains, until Henry was sent there by Eleven. He created Hawkings from his mind and controls all Demogorgons and other creatures. Since he was obsessed with time and life not having a meaning, he stopped time the day he entered the upside down. That‘s why it‘s stuck in November 6th 1983.
Yep
I’m convinced we’ll learn his “sensitivity” as a kid somehow caused him to connect with the mind flayer, who gave him his psychic powers. That would explain why the lights flicker whenever he uses his powers. That doesn’t happen when Eleven uses her powers
@@user-ss7tg3wq6c Yea. Anything connected to the Mind Flayer’s hive mind, it seems
What if the mindflare didn’t exist yet,think about it yes the upside down existed but it doesn’t mean the mind flare existed as well,we can’t confirm he did it not,vecna was the first human to enter and transform,eleven didn’t escape that night she sent 1 into the upside down,we can tell because she made contact with the demigorgan later on,so what if the upside down existed but the only creatures that existed was the demigorgans,the when 001 went in he created the mind flare to cause havoc which in term let’s him see elevens powers,think about it the mind flare doesn’t care for evens powers it keeps coming and coming,but it isn’t till she loses her powers that 001 chooses to attack which makes no sense why wouldn’t the mind flare keep attacking unless he was controlled by 001 himself,since it resembles a spider it makes sense that 001 created the mind flare but it’s just a theorey
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to idk, I believe that something is goin on with the mind flare rn. Seems to not be in sight when Steve, and everyone is in the upside down. If u watch the trailer for volume 2, u see hopper is in a room with a dusty tornado locked in a room, which could be the mind flare somehow imprisoned,like the demogorgon, in Russia
I thought in the first 2 seasons they said eleven got her powers because of experiments done on her parents, like the parents taking LSD and other drugs
11 beat him and sent him into the upside down
I don’t think he meant to leave victor creel alive the only reason victor did not die was because he heard the music from the living room. But Henry mistook it for not being powerful enough yet. You can tell that he realized this mistake when max got away from him. He realizes the power that music, friends and love have on people something he has never been able to understand. Also if you notice when he had his showdown with eleven at the end of episode 7. Eleven recalls what he says about channeling a memory that is sad and angry. When she channels that memory she actually is weaken (hence way he can easily throw her around) but all of a sudden she recalls another memory one of her mother telling her she loves her. A memory fueled by live this memory helps eleven overpower Henry.
but he said Victor got framed, just as he had planned
@@mintexsama4612 true but I also this Henry seems pretty cocky and would say anything to not sound weak… just a thought
@@themardiaries230 that would be so dumb. the show's writing would never stoop so low
She wasn't weakened. It just wasn't powerful enough to overcome 001's power attack against her. Remember that she used the same method to overpower 002. Her enhanced method of finding the happy memory brought her more strength.
@@mintexsama4612 alright
I really thought he was gonna be a good guy when he was helping Eleven, actually felt sorry for him when he was being tortured too🤦♂️ that was a big plot twist
Smh I felt bad too😂
You must be slow…
@@deadschooled I can be fast or I can take it slow, depending on the mood. Ask yo mom
um... you thought he'd end up good with those psycho eyes of his?
😅 it's all in the eyes, bro. he had an unsettling menace even at the first intro shot
@@Crysalis-bd9so it wasn't just the eyes. Yeah at 1st I thought he was bad but then he end up trying to help 11, giving her advice and tips, so I end up changing my mind and thought he was a good guy, and on top of that he was was being torchered by poppa, so that made me think he really was on the good side, then the plot twist like a mfka! Who would've thought he was that evil kid killing his entire family and end up being Vecna at the end. Sooooo, yeah, that was from my take in watching the Strangers Things🤷♂️
i personally don't think that henry left victor alive to be framed. as he said, he didn't know the limit to his powers, so just before being able to kill victor, henry passed out due to overstimulation, resulting in a coma. victor then got arrested because he was the only family member standing.
But he said he wanted to frame his dad. The coma just happened to happen
Yeah I questioned that and passed it off as bad writing...
@@KDBetter doesn't make sense to have his dad in the trance, and when is dad expalins how he escaped it was due to the music, not Henry passing out.... That is either a plot hole, vecna just lies (which he has been doing to El, or bad writing
@@lilymae7516 Was waiting for someone to say this 👏🏻
@@lilymae7516 Actually, the dad was able to resist because of the music, which was unexpected by Henry who, as a response, had to put more energy into maintaining the trance... resulting in him drying himself out of power and falling into a coma. So the dad did not escape directly because of the music but because Henry passed out, even if that's what he believed. And the dad didn't know that it was Henry all along either.
This thumbnail is a huge spoiler. Ive seen the whole season so it hasnt spoiled it for me but id hate for anyone who hasnt caught up yet to pass this video in their youtube feed.
Edit: One week later and the thumbnail has changed to be spoilerless. Thanks for being mindful of others BrainPilot. Very cool.
It’s been out long enough tbh
@@EastendersClips4U agreed
@@EastendersClips4U yahh, turning 3 weeks already
Yeah, if i hadnt seen the show as soon as it came out i wouldve seeked revenge.
yeah it really is and I would’ve been upset honestly
For the longest, I was thinking the guards or other mean kids were going to kill 001, and that would set off 011 on a killing spree.
Same!
plot twists go crazy
I never thought Vecna was Henry kreel, I was really surprised when they revealed that, I think Henry's powers are connected with the mind flayer, I don't know how he got them but I think with more analysis on him we might know, or maybe volume 2 of season 4 might reveal that.
I don’t think his powers were connected to the mind flare at all,elevens aren’t connected to it as well,they could’ve just developed powers on their own with no influence,but for all we know vecna created the mind flare,what are the odds it resembles a spider,my guess is,the demigorgans existed as long as the upside down has existed,think about it 11 sent vecna in and he was transformed,11 didn’t escape that same night,she was captured and studied on and found the drmigorgan,which would link 11 to vecna,vecna could’ve created the mindflare to test 11 powers behind the shadows,think about it mind flare resembles a spider,why is it till 11 loses her powers does vecna appear he could’ve appeared any other time,and it isn’t till 11 that the mind flare isn’t in charge,theory is that vecna created the mind flare to test and kill 11 that’s why he’s been behind the scenes
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to that's also possible cause I also believe Vecna rules the other world not the mind flare
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to I like the cut of your jib sir, solid theory
@@thepresidentofgames216 I’m sure the mind flare is his 5 star general
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to that doesn’t make sense. Season 2 explain that mind flayers goal was to spread and take over the real world. If vecna created the mind flayer why didn’t the mind flayer go straight for 11. The mind flayer didn’t meet 11 until the last episode of szn 2. which is why in szn 3 the mind flayers mission was to kill 11 cuz he knew she was a threat. 11 lost her powers while fighting the mind flayer in szn 3 but she didn’t kill it. so the mind flayer knew she lost her powers. And since everything is connected in the upside down through the mind flayer, the mind flayer couldve alerted vecna that this was his chance kill 11 now that shes powerless
Henry got his abilities similar to eleven who got it because her mother was given drugs while she was pregnant .
His father Victor was in the war. If you listened to Hopper he said earlier in the show that during the war they would make them work with agent orange. He also mention that people would have after effects from all the exposure with the chemicals such as birth defects or illness.
This would be a good reason to why Henry has his powers
No agent orange was a pesticide that caused birth defects after it was used in Vietnam. It gave no supernatural powers.
@@vuzemy you are probably right that victor fought in ww2, but if he fought in ww1 then he definitely would have come into contact with chemicals.
Agent orange was the Vietnam war, victor creel would have been WW2.
@@pixelfiend7292 WWII. Victor fought in Germany and France I believe. Think Henry was born in the 50s.
wrong war dude.
His backstory is so interesting honestly and I love that music and happy memories hold the power to bring someone back. He's a true socio/pyscopath honestly.
I knew that the man helping 11 at the facility was 001 but him being the kreel kid was a big shocker. Also when he tricked 11 into removing the probe from his neck was masterful writing as well. Made her think it was just a gps tracker but in reality it limited his abilities so he could not hurt anyone and escape.
He never tricked her… she offered
This is one "twist" I actually saw coming. When I saw that Vecna resembled a human his body and speech, the way he used his mind / powers, and the way they were hinting at what had happened to number one I knew it was number one.
I knew it was number one...but I didn't know victor is gonna be number one
Sure but did you also expect that he would be creel's son and also the lab guy?
Even before I knew he was Vecna, he had very creepy manipulative behavior… anyways.. I just bought a chinchilla and named him Vecna.. 😂 can’t wait to see the next two episodes!!!! Love ❤️ it
Your chinchilla: 🙃🙃🙃🙃😑😑😑😐🫤🫤🫤
Reading this comment I thought a chinchilla was a burrito then I remembered what it actually was
Vecna killed Victor’s wife, Henry and Alice so yeah Vecna is more powerful than Henry or anyone
@@ju2545 But Vecna is Henry-
@@ju2545 Vecna is literally Henry, wtf you talking about Lmao
I think that volume 2 will start with Nancy still in Vecna's hideout but now he's giving the second part of his monologue. I think it'll be about how Vecna entered this harmless alternate dimension and used his power to turn it into an evil world with the hopes that he could build it up to the point where he could take over our world. I think the mind flayer was in fact Vecna's general and it's been after eleven this whole time because Vecna knows that she's the only one that could stop him and in turn stop his world takeover.
Interesting theory mate
I don't think lightning coming out and striking him makes the dimension friendly though lol
I agree with this,we know 11 sent vecna to the upside down,that same night she didn’t escape she was captured,vecna was transformed in the upside down,for all we know it was a barren wasteland before he showed up and created the demigorgans and all the creatures,that’s how 12 was able to contact the demigorgans after sending vecna,the mind flare is a giant spider who’s love with spiders?vecna,it makes sense,vecna probably created the mindflare to keep an eye and attack on 11 to test her powers and see how long she has come,that’s why in 3 seasons he never showed up or showed his presence but the flare did,and it wasn’t till 11 lost his powers that he was able to attack,if the mind flare is aware of 11’s powers being gone wouldn’t it make sense for the mind flare to attack instead?why vecna?vecna could definitely have created the flare to keep track of her powers till the right time
yes and his killings could literally just be a lure to trap and kill Eleven
I also even have another madder theory that Dr Brenner is the Mind Flayer
What a twist & what an actor 001 is 👏👏
This scene kinda reminded me of Tom Riddle(Voldemort)
Duffer Brothers r doing what D&D (GameOfThrones) couldn't do 🔥🔥
I hope 008 comes back in Volume 2. Her character didn’t make much sense though because as we saw, all the other kids had telekinetic abilities, whereas 008 didn’t possess those at all, only the power to make people see things that weren’t actually there.
Well with season 4 we know now how her character makes sense :) as Henry is the original "gifted" it is told that he has the three main abilities known : moving things with his mind, entering the memory of any living creature, and sending hallucinations. Eleven inherited the first and second ability, Kali the last. Kali could have been the only one who could develop this ability. Or Eleven, now knowing that she is One's clone, could unlock this third ability herself...
I hope so too, people hated her unnecessarily. Her character wasn't so well written but nothing to absolutely hate on. I think 001 tried to groom 008 as well to get out of the lab and kill all those people, but Kali being a bit older probably didn't fall for it or at least she didn't take out that chip in his neck to basically free him.
So does Vecna
@@ThePandaWarrior she probably escaped leaving the sort of chip on him. Joke was on 001
I god I hope not lol let’s forget about her
I thought there was something fishy about Henry from the first moment we learn about his supposed death : Victor says he was in a coma for days before dying. That doesn't work with the way the other victims die, including his mother and sister. And with the chronology of the events, I immediatly thought he could be one of Brenner's kids. I didn't think he would be the origin of the program, though.
Victor’s wife was dead in the kitchen and when he turned from the door, Henry and Alice were dead on the floor…..
@@ju2545 The girl was dead, but not Henry. It is explicitly said that he was in a coma, and died later.
I think that he most definitely was being genuinely kind to her because he saw himself in her but I think he was manipulating Eleven and planning on getting her to take out the implant that took his powers.
I think ne really was interested in her but not. Manipulated
But I mean he never asked her to remove the chip. It was from her own kindness that she offered to take it out, he just got lucky. I don’t think he manipulated her
He's her father
@@melarie205 That’s manipulation…🙄 El even said “You tricked me.”
@@SupremePickz el was also like 8 and dint understand anything he said in his speech
Both the writing and Jamie's acting really struck such an impressive balance for the backstory with Henry!
I feel like a lot of times you'll get archetypes for villains where they're either humanized to the point where they almost become an "antihero" kind of figure, or at least a tragic figure that people can sympathize with, or alternatively, they're presented as "born evil" with no real development or nuance. With Henry, it's clear that he was born antisocial, but you also see how his circumstances and environment contributed to his growing rage that ultimately turned into outright evil. None of that's to downplay what he became, of course, but just to recognize that they did a good job giving that trajectory a more human origin.
In his interactions with young El, too, Jamie's performance was SO good because it treaded that line between his sinister intentions and a genuine kinship that he'd felt with El perfectly.
I've seen a lot of people comparing him to Voldemort/Tom Riddle, and while it's true they're very similar archetypes on paper, I think Henry/Vecna is better realized, which is super impressive given how they managed better nuance for him in like 5 minutes of backstory and monologue than Voldemort had in 7 whole books!
If you really look at it two of the other subjects defeated Henry Creel during the massacre, 11 and 13. In many of the scenes of the playback for 11 to get her power back, the door to 13's room was always close and when 11 was walking toward the play area during the massacre you can see 13's door behind her still close. So 11, 13 and Dr. Brenner survived the massacre.
and 8 either survived the massacre or escaped earlier
@@Keron51 when henry talked to eleven earlier about the time her mother came for her he "eight was still here" meaning she had already left the lab way before the massacre
I love that there were three plot twists in the final episode of Season 4
Where in for a crazy two final episodes. Episode 8: 1 hour and 30 minutes and episode 9: 2 hours and 34 minutes can’t wait
@@quincyhaynes1107 I heard episode 8 is titled "papa" and I'm super eager to know y?
@@treyb51 vecna is 11's father
@@treyb51 no clue we will know in two weeks. Everybody is saying vecna is 11 father I hope not
@@quincyhaynes1107 well he is the father to all the child subjects as they used his dna to give them their abilities.
So were all the other test subject created from Henry Creel’s DNA? There was a scene where he said after Brenner realized he couldn’t control Henry he decided to “make more” with his powers. I guess that means all the kids he killed may have been his biological offspring
I believe it was his blood samples that gave the kids their powers but I may be wrong
You're forgetting it was revealed in one of the first seasons that 11's mother was a subject of project mk ultra. I think there's a pattern of parents going through something that affect the kids as it mirror's hop's story with his kid when he worked with agent orange and that affected his daughter's health. Maybe Victor did something in ww2 that could've opened up henry's powers?
@@yvessaulnier8986 YESSSS, it was mentioned indeed, in fact the sister of 011 moms said that she even was consuming LSD because and for MK ultra project to see if she could “expand her mind” with it but she didn’t know she was pregnant at the time, and made us believe that’s why 011 had her powers, so basically for drugs and experiments, so mixing the original story with now Henry kreel would be very interesting, I hope the writers don’t fuck it up and don’t actually forget about what they wrote on the first season 😭😭😭 about why elevens powers and sht
but they all had parents too they weren't created from nothing.
@@yvessaulnier8986 what I never understood is Elevens mom makes the lights flicker in s2. It made me thing she had some abilities herself? I didn’t get how she was able to do that and make the t.v static
Somebody really needs to explain how on earth dr brenner is still alive? I guess not a single youtuber has an explination for that
LITERALLY
Because it literally has not been stated. All TH-camrs would do is theorize. It just hasn’t been told or shown how he survived. Just like many other things about the series that are left unexplained for now
"Somehow, Brenner returned"
There wasn’t a body in season 1 just a drag mark. Its possible that Vecna was controlling the demogorgan, and left him alive because he’s also seeking to learn something from
Brenner. Its not lost on me he lived through the massacre, but that also could have been to taunt him with the loss of all those kids.
I’m more inclined to think though that the monster sensed Els weakness and went after her. Or maybe someone shot at the beast and pulled Brenner away.
Either way, he lived , and that’s noted in Season 2 with that worker that El didn’t kill. Brenner was in hiding, presumably to fix the mistake he made.
My bigger question is how did Brenner know Henry Creels mother and why would she want to send her kid to him?
@@vibesmom interesting :)
And to answer your question. Henry Creel killed his mother and sister and drove his father to insanity blaming the murders on his father as shown in season 4. He didnt got sent to Brenner by either off his parents, Brenner picked him up as an orphan
Plot twist: you saw when One nearly killed Eleven, blood was pouring out of her head! Maybe this is why she doesn't know much in the first season
And One killed almost everyone in the lab and Eleven was blamed for that so that's why in season 1 we saw a flashback of Eleven being locked in a room
plus the fact that her brain pushed away all those memories with 001 and the gate because it was so traumatic for her at the age of 8.
@@BeneluxProjects2020s she was locked in the room because she wouldn't kill the cat.
@@brandonreed09 Yeah, but still, she was mistreated after she "killed almost everyone" in the lab! before that, Brenner stood up for Eleven after she was bullied
@ilamos ___ because Brenner says to Eleven “What have you done?”
I think Henry’s powers turned evil when they moved to Hawkins. The scene when Henry is a boy and the lights start flickering, he seemed confused as if he didnt do it himself. I think there is an older evil spirit in the attic. There was a wedding dress, a baby crib and an old rocking/wheelchair. I think the house has an evil past and it prayed on Henry’s powers. Think about it, Henry didn’t turn evil until he saw those spiders. And thats always the first thing Vecna’s victims see.
Henry explained to Eleven that mankind is always busy with time, eat, drink, sleep repeat. And also said that all spiders are the gods of the Earth and they should be treated with respect. So his big plan has Vecna is to bring the Mind-Flayer,it's democreatures into Earth to invade, conquer and destroy humanity.
I feel like his motivation to become evil was really dumb. There was no sign of his family being dysfunctional or toxic. It was just very “I hate everyone and this world lemme be evil”.
Yeah poor writing
@@johncleland6726 yes maybe the next 2 episodes will explain further but as of now him being a villain was really dumb
he showed them them their true selves, he could know all their memories, saying they killed an infant etc
He could see into their heads and see who they really were, and he believed himself to be an apex predator
i mean he’s a clinical psychopath
Jane uses her superpowers like a superhero
Henry uses his superpowers like a psychopath
You got that right.
I figured out that 001 and Henry were the same as soon as 001 popped up as the orderly however, I never suspected that Henry kreel would be the same person as vecna. That blew my damn mind
U see I figured out Vecna was 001 straight away but didn’t realise he would be Henry
I suspected Henry to be Vecna when Victor creel said that he went into a coma it didn't make sense for me why kill the mother and daughter but put the kid in a coma. I caulked it up to fear but had my suspicions. Everyone knew that 001 was vecna that was obvious
Brilliant job, James Campbell is a captivating actor, I really loved his character before all the evil, I knew in my gut he wasn't going to stay good and really hoping he would at the same time 🙂 thank you for the video 👍🇦🇺🕊.
Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed the video!
@@BrainPilot loved it! 😃👍.
Theory: In season 4 episode 6 when Eleven is playing with the Plinko game in the rainbow room and One is talking to her, she drops one of the pucks down and it lands in number 6 upright. In that shot, you can see 4, 5, and 6 are like that. 7 is missing and 8 is laying flat. A little further in that scene and one drops his directly down flat on 1 just like 8. Back in season 2 episode 7 you get the feeling that 8 is kinda bad and is using bad memories and hate to fuel her powers. One told Eleven that she needed to channel “something that made him sad and also angry” the same exact thing eight told eleven to do. I feel like eight and One are connected and that she will return. Me and my friends figured this out together
Even if it makes sense thematically, I seriously doubt we’ll see much more of 8. That episode was heavily panned and audiences didn’t react well to any of those characters.
Putting characters people like to watch >>> a twist imo.
@@DoubleStudentLoans trust me. That episode with her in season 2 fell very very flat but just because it wasn’t received well by audiences doesn’t mean they’ll cut a part of the story out. 8 might have a role to play with one before she ran away from the lab. We’ll just have to wait and see though
One could do the same with Eight (to help her escape), but she just escaped and did not help One as it did El
@@lizzyrivue Well, 8's powers weren't the type to be able to get the tracker out of 001's neck anyway.
I agree, 8, I think, will come back. Her powers mirror 01 in every way, however I’m wondering if she will either trick Vecna in the end with his own game, or help him face himself and escape from hate. It’s hard to tell. We don’t know what her experience with El taught her or how she moved forward after that.
She also plays a roll in the first book, so I think she’s important. 01,08,11 all have a connection , and her mother sent her there to meet 8 for a reason.
Also, If your looking at numbers check out the room number Murray and Joyce stay in, and also Eddie”s uncles trailer. Addition and subtraction land on 8 and the Duffers love playing with clues.
he's so attractive omg
his grown up version?
@@generaliroh842 yes
The only reason why Victor wasn’t killed was because his favorite music was playing not because Henry wanted to frame him.
Number1 could totally be 11’s dad….. think he’s old enough… heck he could be the father of all those kids and that’s why they are called siblings and have powers.
He probably is, but the problem with that is that he's around 15 years older than 002 which is kind of odd since he would be a minor when 2 was born 🥲 let's hope the whole breeding thing was via blood or something and not sexua! abuse bc he has enough traumas already
@@ath6632 Its a scienence lab..... , obviously they wouldnt make a kid have sex with several women
He Seems like in his 20s 😳
@Kensin. I'm pretty much convinced this is not the case at all.
I'm not even sure that "the upside down" existed before the confrontation with El. They might use it as a weird reason in the ending but it would make less sense. Henry view on the world explained his own physical struggle but also beliefs. And he isn't wrong. The world is in disorder thanks to humans. This is - 100% - true. The cruelty of how we gain food today is beyond hellish proportions. The ideology how everything in this world is created to control. Is also true. The ways a human life is about education - job - pension - death is true as well. Also the weirdest part is how we still have the same look on life as thousands years ago. Not in every manner, but in many.
Humans learn we are incapable of doing mostly anything but still news papers shows us daily updates about everything. Does any news articles gives us any ways to change things? No. Instead we go our job, at our office and talks about things that doesn't really concern our state in the world. We elect people to bring justice in the world, but instead are puppets controlled by people outside the public space. And we aren't stupid. We all knows this is happening, all time. But it easier to forget the cruelty and harshness in reality and focus on a baby's smile or a daughter first step in the grass field. We are constantly also manipulated by media and cooperation's to act and behave as they want us too. And if we don't they put even more effort to control us. Not the individuals thoughts - but the group thinking. … There is other ways too. I seen a family life on a boat in Caribbean, just vloging their life and having fun. Just like Henry they see the world as possibility to do other things as well.
A father called him "sensitive". I would more or less call his father someone who wanted to control his child. And when that didn't happen what was about to happen? They wanted to send him to the "prison" to be studied. Like a lab rat. A place where they torture him, or manipulate him until he displayed the "powers" he had. And what did they do thereafter? They created copies of him. All subjects from 02-13 are copies of Henry created inside artificial way. They also locked him in. You notice how old "Henry" is? Imagine being forced to be a prisoner in such a place as that was. Only surrounded by copies of yourself. And being forced to be a "guard".
What I'm saying is... just adding the spoiled notion that "Oh poor henry was controlled by a mind flayer" would remove the whole impact on ... "Something is different, lets study it, then kill it" mentality that was present during 1950s in hospitals and mental institutions .
I like how he's just an unapologetic lunatic. It's okay to just let the bad guy be a straight psycho.
There's just a lot behind of the story that we didn't understand yet, I was thinking also about Dr. Brenner's said before he died he said to 011 that "Soon you will understand"
Glad I already finished the season. Your title and pic isn't very subtle.
I was surprised by the twist, interesting evolution of the character 🙂👍
I have to admit, Henry’s backstory is a bit tragic and sad…I mean, he was just a kid when his powers emerged, and something horrible must’ve happened to him that made him distrust humans. Hope we get a spin off with him as the main character…
I have so many things to say including how his dad plays a bigger role in this because of the fact they mention him returning from war(Russia?), Henry giving him bad memories form the war with the shelling spilling children(does Henry hate him or want him to suffer for what he did, were these kids experiments?), and killing the whole family except the dad to frame him, again is Henry doing these things to the dad to make him suffer for a reason.
Also just noticed this and haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere though I can’t imagine it being too relevant. The mind flayed, represents the black widow spider Henry is obsessed with. I don’t remember what animal Henry killed but I think it was a dog? Which could explain the demodogs. Can’t say anything about the demobats though or the rat things.
All I know is they are leading to the true origin backstory and there’s more in Henry’s past. They painted the picture of the family just to set up for more. So far it’s literally just he started gaining his powers one day in their new house and grew them Killed neighbors dogs etc. the dad is so perfectly set up to continue to e backstory from him returning from war and having killed children/babies. We’re these experimented babies, was the war in russia, is treat why they moved. This whole thing would explain the true origin of Henry’s powers, and possibly also his personality other than he’s bad because, he’s just bad, and his powers came because, just because.
What I don’t get is, how did Henry know his dad had killed a baby in the war? Is Henry telepathic? I don’t think he’d have told his son about that
@@camillacousins2447 yes Henry is telepathic. That's how he tortures people with illusions related to the grief before he kills them.
So in D&D Vecna was betrayed and killed by his second in command, Kas. Kas became a Vampire. I think the demobats point to that element of his character.
Such an amazing actor
Very much so!
When I heard the term mind flayer and Henry's powers, it reminded me of dissociative identity disorder. And Dr. Brenner's methods were traumatic, given El's reactions. With Vecna saying he incorporates the minds of his victim's, that reminds me a DID treatment protocol where the integrate all the identities.
there are so many inaccuracies in this one comment. please no.
Honestly i just don't understand why Henry is so evil. He had a family who loved him and he killed his mother and sister in the most cruelest way, ruining his father's life. He is someone who is pure evil and doesn't deserve redemption.
He’s a psychopath: charming, manipulative, selfish, and has no empathy
He is a nihilist
Henry had trauma and was abused and he couldn’t control his anger. He even says to el that gets his power from a sad and angry memory.
He saw how his father dropped bombs on innocent civilians such as the baby crib on fire but the family still pretended to be the perfect nuclear family. I guess he couldn’t handle seeing his father kill and infant and pretend it’s okay
@@youngsu8898 He thought the people he killed were the enemy and when he realized they were civilians he regretted it.
Henry Creel is the ultimate villain ✨🍿🥴
Best villain in stranger things!
His motives are great, he really thinks he's doing the right thing, by being a tool for nature's order.
He reintroduces the scariest element of the Demogorgon, that he can get you no matter where you are. There is no escape from him, in most cases.
@@BrainPilot Henry is 11's father
There is something to do with “fairy tales”. Both Victor Kreel & Dr Brenner said something about fairy tales. The whole feeling of the show is “going down the rabbit hole”. The daughter is named Alice, it shows rabbits, etc. Just things I noticed.
I can’t believe this damn thumbnail spoiled this twist for me I’m actually livid right now
bro the thumbnail is a huge spoiler
It’s Been out long enough for anyone who cares for it to have watched.
@@303beto303 exactly
0:28 you already spoiled before this timecode, lol 😂
Anyway, a good video
I Seriously Think Henry Creel is El's Biological father, as it was never shown that who her father was and it was never even mentioned who her father might have been.
This theory also makes sense becoz she was the only one powerful enough to weaken him and banish him to the Upside Down.
001 IS 011'S Father.
I also think that it's going in the direction of "I am your PAPA"
Or maybe it's just that a happy memory is more powerful than a sad/angry memory like Henry suggested? Since Henry seems incapable of feeling or understanding what real happiness/love is he has always thought that anger/sadness is what triggers the powers.
This is what I was thinking and never saw anyone else mention.
Also, iirc the first episode of season 4 volume 2 is "papa"..
No that’s stupid. He has no relation to her mother and dr brenner is her papa.
No, Eleven's father and Andrew. Dr. Brenner injected the blood of Henry Creel into Jane's body when she was a few weeks pregnant.
This was amazing! Amazing fucking twist!!!! Gave me goosebumps and had my jaw dropped. I knew somehow he wasn’t a good guy that he had a trick up his sleeve. And when they revealed 001 on vecna…just wow! Best season!
i sensed 001 was evil. very good actor. im glad they chose jamie
can we talk about how veiny henry's arm is at 1:40 ?
Who gives a fuck about that
If he was born in 1947 that means he was pushing 40 during the massacre. He must also have discovered the Fountain of Youth…
Vecna was 36 when he goes into the upside down.. the actor that plays him is 33....
@@kiaadams104 no he’s 32 when he goes into the upside down
@@Zero-pz6jo either way. The actor who played him was the proper age to protray the character. That's the point.
|| I have a *Theory!* ||
⚠️ *WARNING* ⚠️ *CONTAINS SPOILERS*
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So, as you know, Henry ( *AKA, 001 / Vecna* ) created the *Upside Down* (At least I think so) which means, he created all the creature there. So let's move back to *Season 3* They had to fight the *Mind Flayer* and, eventually, they won. But, I noticed the *shape* of the Mind Flayer, and focused on it. Let's forward on to Season 4 where Nancy gets (Hypnotized or whatever) and finds out Vecna's backstory, (So did El) he mentioned how he found *spiders* fascinating, so if he created every creature in the upside-down.. he created, the *Mind Flayer.* So, notice how the shape of the Mind Flayer, it's like a spider 🕷️, so, does this mean, in season 5, there will be other *Spider Related* creatures? 🤔
That's my theory! Don't come at me if I spoiled it for you, I warned you about the spoilers.. :/
Henry being Henry: 🗿
Henry being 001: 😍
001 being Vecna: 🤨
why does no one talk abt where 008 is how did she survive when 001 killed then all
001 said that 008 escaped prior to the massacre
@@oess855 really?? i don’t remember hearing that do you know what episode and time stamp?
@@shewanttchrisss1225 i think it was episode 6 or 7 but idk what timestamp
Yea there was this point when 001 was reminding El of a memory and that it happened “when 008 was still with us”
Because it was explained in Season 2. She escaped way before events of Season 1
I swear this storyline looks sooo similar to Harry Potter, who defeated Voldemort because of love and he also was alike to him, just like 011 to 001, just think about it …
I don't think he was "kind to her because she was bullied like he was." I think he saw it as a weakness because he felt weak when he was bullied. So he knew he could manipulate her with that. I don't think he had a moment of kindness in his life.
I think Henry might be elevens real father. I can't ignore the good/evil sides of both of their powers.
Agree with you 100%
I think you onto something. It could explain what motivated dr brenner to take Jane in the first place.
If 011 and 008 are sisters, there are chances the other kids are somehow related too.
Maybe Henry creel got married to produce babies that shared similar DNA. But they have less power than 001 which is why henry has less limits to his power than el.
Idk sounds crazy
also eleven is more powerful like henry than other lab kids
@@samhitanelligi8671 why they survived
My bf didn't belive me that Henry was Vecna... I told him when the dad told the story the mom, dad, and sister shown to have visions, curses, ect... and when the boy "died" it remined me of the cover up in season 1 with Will when they used a stuffed doll in the morgue.... plus Henry's dad was only shown to see the daughters face when she died!! I told him it waa sus.... i also now believe 1 helped 8 out, I also do not think she is a good person, we will see tho.
Henry is 11's father.
@@pi.log10 ... Not true! Eleven's father was Andrew. Eleven's mother was injected by the blood of Henry Creel by Dr.Brenner when she was a few weeks pregnant. Some goes with the other subjects.
In the Mexican thriller genre soap opera Cuna de Lobos (1986) the antagonist, who is a psychopathic killer, is named Catalina Creel.
From like the second or third episode I thought vecna was 001 but that still confused me with the whole victor creel thing but now that it’s Henry it makes sense and I always thought the guard was 001
Just a theory, but i think that 001 is eleven dad because he should be around 24 and her mom made eleven. The only reason why eleven won that fight is because shes the daughter of 001 which makes her the strongest because 001 was the strongest person in that lab
I just realized that Vecna, Henry, 001 is VH1
So if the actual reason Victor survived was because Henry passed out while using his power, isn't that supposed to cancel off the theory that music causes Victor gain conciousness to escape the Vecna curse & shouldn't be the reason that saved Max ?
no, because the music allowed max to see part of reality. She was able to hit vecna and run away. That makes sense y vecna could throw the rocks at her
@@1saamor897 that's what happened as we knew it. But what I meant it, isn't that like the flaw/hole in the plot because now we know music wasn't the reason Victor survived, but because Henry didn't finished him off.
@@ninoadan8977 i think music was part of it, when Henry killed his mom, the radio was working and because of that Henry had to try harder on the trance, his dad was still in contact to reality due to hearing music in the background and focusing on it cause he was trying to turn the radio off. His mom was already scared of him, so it was easier to kill, i think same for his siter, even though she was still a kid and we weren't shown to have any trauma or guilt, so the mom's death scared her and turned her into an easy victim.
@@ImperiumNox okay what you're saying do makes sense. Henry's narrative kind of neglected the music part (which is crucial to Max's scene) maybe because he wasn't aware of its effect on his power pre-Vecna mode.
@@ninoadan8977 correct, but remember the guy they asked permission from to talk to victor? the guy who owns the pennhurst or something. they were walking through a room with people listening to music and he said that music reaches parts of the mind that helps them get back to reality. i dont know word for word, but the music is one of the cures, which is why some people were listening to classical music or music that they liked. they were listening to music that they can connect with
Wait, Henry is 01 whom is Vecna. but nobody mentions Henry is also mini Putin
😂
He's a cool looking villain but there's no rhyme or reason to why he's a psychopath or why he only targets random teenagers in Hawkins lol
He feels like it lol
Vecna aka Henry doesn't like been order around by others.
The mind flayer may most likely be using him and manipulating his thinking that he is in control.
Knowing the mind flayer as been the God of that world and has been shown time and time again how he was able to use will body and Billy.
001 is quite manipulative himself. I don't think the Mind Flayer could take him over, just like he wasn't able to take over 011. Vecna might be working with it but I think he could betray it at any time.
@@brandonreed09 is possible, but knowing how he consider spider as god.
The mind flayer may in his opinion feels more like God and that is where I feel he would not betray it.
I maybe wrong, but I do wonder where and what is the mind flayer is planning 😁
That is correct. Vecna is doing the Mind Flayer's bidding.
Am I the only one who noticed he said “the doctor I was trying to escape” he knew Brennen first
I never would have guessed HE would be vecna. He was the only guy I liked back at the mk ultra lab with Eleven. I guess that chip really was holding him back.
Young Henry Creel looks like H.P. Lovecraft.
I still don't get how his human body transformed to vecna and why did the bolts hit him?
Body count was definitely more than 13
He would’ve been in his 20s so he could be 11’s dad that’s my theory like 11s mom look like she was in her 20s maybe they got together in the lab she was a worker
i assume brenner lied to gov about 001's life/death. at least the army guy seems to think 011 killed the people in the lab in '78. and did he make the same fatal flaw not finishing off papa? or was he leaving him to be blamed after seeing it as a more torturous alternative?
I’m still not very satisfied on how he has powers. Other commenters are saying it may be from chemicals when Victor was at war which is 100x better than he was just born with them. Especially in ST, most things are explained “scientifically” like how Eleven has powers from Brenner’s experiments or how the monsters are coming from an alternate reality. No one “just has powers” so I’m convinced there has to be more to it
It could be from the mind flayer. Maybe vecna only shaped it but it had a mind of its own and like billy, it took over Henry
008 has to make a return to season 4!!
Let’s hope so! Would be a shame not to!
Wouldn’t make much sense rn, they could do that for the series finale in season 5 but there’s not much time left this season to drag her into the story
He had more then 13 kills, killed numbers 2 until 10 so that's 9 at least 3 guards which is 12 and his mother and sister which would make 14, I'm guessing there are more then 11 subjects in the institute so I'm guessing and also alot more then just 3 guards so I'm guessing his kill count would be close to 20 or 30 before becoming vecna
usually when they show characters over and over again out of no where , that means somethings abt to happen . i jus wasn’t thinking abt it 😭 !
That’s a good point!
Henry is just insane and crazy
That is not a cool thumbnail.
major spoil
Yes it is
henrys mother knows something was going on in him and his powers and maybe henrys mothers knows about dr brenner, when henry said that her mother called expert or someone and she wanted to lock him away maybe her mother told brenner about henry creel thats why brenner took henry after murder because why would he take him? what is the reason he wants henry? or he already knows henry has power
Yes, he says his mother called Brenner because she knew Henry had something to do with their demonic hallucinations.
"But my mother somehow knew. Knew it was I who was holding up that mirror.
She called a doctor, an expert.
She wanted him to lock me away, to fix me..
..And so she left me with no choice. No choice but to act. To break free..
..I did not yet know my limits. And it nearly killed me. He was arrested, blamed for the death of my sister and mother, just as I had planned. But I was far from free. I woke up from my coma only to find myself placed in the care of a doctor, the very doctor I had hoped to escape. Dr. Martin Brenner."
Wait the same thing that happened to Henry/001 happened to 011 in s4 e3.
Henry creel committed a crime and was taken by dr Brenner whom he hoped to escape meaning that he was l already seeing him beforeZ
In s4 e3, eleven almost gets arrested but dr Brenner saves her so she could get her powers back.
IMAGINE IF IT WAS THE EXCACT OPPOSITE Like if millie Bobby brown was venca and Henry was innocent (like if millie wasn't auditioning for El but she was auditioning for vecna , and Henry was auditioning for El-Jane
The Mind Flayer isn’t the commander and Vecna the 5 Star general, it’s the total opposite, watch the volume 2
This video was released before Volume 2 got released..
@@hello_person22 that’s why I’m suggesting to watch Volume II
one theory i have, doenst sound too farfetchd either, what if henry is somehow related to will, its possible he would be joyce byers half brother that she knew about but never really got to know. theres so much comparisons between will & henry makes you belueve they are somehow related, i wanted to theorize that maybe he is wills biological father, but that wouldnt be possible if he was w/ brenner the whole time from when he was 12 up until el put him in the upside down. hope they go that route somehow would make for an interesting backstory.
But if Eleven caused Henry Creel to become Vecna by knocking him into the upside down, why did a Vecna go after Max, Fred, Nancy, Chrissy, and not go after Eleven for revenge?
He didn't like humans, I think the shrink is in on it they hinted at it
Vecna's plan to destroy humanity's clockwork individualism of eat, work,play,sleep repeat culture. By selecting 4 kids in Hawkins with their darkest memories. Enter into their bodies through their minds by using spiders and clocks based from his childhood years. And get their souls into his dreamscape and suck their minds dry. Collecting enough energy in order to have Mind Flayer, him and it's democreatures escape to invade Earth.
I just gotta say they got young Henry perfect I can see him morphing into Jamie .
The bone structure and everything .
I am still really confused. If eleven was inside of the machine in the middle of the desert in Hawkins how could she have indirectly turned henry into vecna
Did this happen in the first season before we say the gang playing D&D
she was reliving her past memories in the tank. she created the gateway that sent henry into the upside down, which the environment turned him into vecna.
It showed henry creel running up the stairs in one perspective when the story was told but I'm not sure of what perspective that was told
Am I the only one who thinks 001 was right about punishing the bad people? And Eleven should have joined him?
@@mayavox they were bullyng eleven
@@sebastianschmidt6136 those kids were piece of shits but that doesnt mean they should be killed
@@sebastianschmidt6136 the code of justice is that vengeance and punishment is different. Vengeance is injustice but punishment is justice. Punishment is negatively affecting someone but to a lesser extent then that person had done so it doesn’t equal hypocrisy but it keeps things fair and is moral for the two sides of every story
TF..not really lmao... he killed a lot of teenagers and inoocent civilians
@@sebastianschmidt6136 Did you miss the part where Henry literally murdered his little sister? Yeah his father had done bad things, maybe his mother too, we don't really know much about her, but his sister? There's no evidence that she was anything other than totally innocent. And the whole literally trying to destroy the world thing.
You're incredible! Thank you!
Could someone explain the age gap of henry’s human form? When he killed his mother and sister he was maybe 13, and in the lab he’s maybe 20 years old. The time between those two periods is about 20 years, so would that make henry about 30 years old?
Is it said outright anywhere that he's only young 20-something in the lab? I don't think so, right? Jamie himself is 33, he just looks young, so I just figured it's probably supposed to be in the show as well that he's earlier 30-something, which would line up timeline-wise :)
He is kinda looks like Putin as a child lol
Henry was no ordinary child. Not because he was "sensitive" and "in touch with the supernatural" or another plane of existence - like "The Upside Down." He also wasn't ordinary just because he learned to develop psychokinetic powers...Henry wasn't ordinary because he was a child sociopath. The signs are all there as both Henry/Vecna and his father (which, btw...Victor married Virginia?! V+V...C'mon Duffers...) extrapolate about their shared past.
Henry lacked sympathy, or empathy, for anyone's feelings but his own. He may acknowledge the pain of the people he kills and Eleven's fear after the slaughter in Hawkin's lab, but that's all it is...an acknowledgement, which is a part of sociopathy since you can only have a "superficial relationship" with them and also because they use their intelligence, charm, and charisma to lie and manipulate...like Henry did with his family and like he did with Eleven in order to be free of Soteria. From a young age, he obviously had no problem harming/killing animals, which escalated from small animals to bigger ones - like dogs in the neighborhood - until he grew confident and powerful enough to attempt to kill people...which he did with his mother and sister. He "lied for personal gain" to Eleven and also lied and manipulated those three poor teens (and Max) in order to gain " their deaths. He obviously has no aversion to being aggressive or confronting people with the threat and promise of physical harm, if not death. Definitely has some impulsive behavior, since everything is based around what he feels and thinks is "right," even if his logic is flawed and obviously had a hard time holding down a job or being a responsible member of society since he gave that nihilistic speech to Eleven. He obviously also never had a problem committing various crimes...both according to the laws of man and to the laws of nature (but sci-fi, amiright?)
The problem is that no one acknowledged these signs in Henry as a young boy...I don't even think psychology, back in the 40's and 50's, would've acknowledged it was possible for a boy like Henry, with sociopathy, to exist...I could be wrong. But Dr. Brenner made it 100% worse since he went ahead and both limited Henry with his powers and then tortured him to remind him of his status in Hawkins Lab. Frankly, I'm really curious as to how Dr. Brenner even knew Henry had powers before taking him into his custody (I don't remember if that was explained in the show or not).
So, the real problem isn't that someone like Vecna exists...it's the reality that people like him do exist in the first place. They don't have to psychokinetic powers...they just have to be IN a position of power (like corporate CEO's, lobbyists, politicians, etc...) where they can use their power to the lives of millions in their hands and not feel a smidgen of sympathy, or empathy, for those lives that they dangle between their fingers. Sound familiar?
What episode was it when he has eleven basically running in a time loop around the facility just messing with her head and making her see things that weren’t there? I think it was one of her first times, possibly the first in the iso chamber. That’s when my suspicion started to rise bc Vecna showed he has those abilities with Chrissy and the second victim.
That wasn't Vecna/001's doing, that was Dr. Brenner doing that for her to relive those memories.
@@linkeron1 haha good point, something just seemed off about ol pete the orderly.
@@s.marshian8455 it was Episode 5
I'd like to see some kind of "fact" number in his kill count pre-Vecna. I believe it's more than 13. Hell, there were 17... I think... Children in Hawkins Lab at the time of Henry's appearance...
their casting, so so perfect
Wait he was beaten by someone he liked, get burned, become a great villain
That don't Vecna my friends that Anakin Skywalker
If Henry met Spider-Man would he like or hate him
So Henry is in his 30’s when 11 sent him to his fate?
The actor doesn't look it, but according to Imdb he's 34, so I guess Henry is about that.
0:31 did he smile omg first time dude he would never smile or reveal or express his emotions (I talking about Henry btw)
7:03 dude she’s literally the youngest and Henry is the oldest