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Don't forget about #8, in older interviews Duffer Brothers said that storyline will come back into play before the end of the series, remember she can make people see or not see what ever she wants, like spiders crawling all over that dude with the Mohawk hand & arm
1. What is the TRUE origin of the UD? 2. (I think this is confirmed at this point but…) Is 001/Henry/Vecna the mind flayer? 3. When and how did 008 escape? (bc she wasn’t there when 001 un-alived the kids.) OPEN DISCUSSION…
My mouth literally fell open when Max’s bones started breaking. I was like, “WHAT?????” Truly epic season. That and Eddie’s scene were just phenomenal!
Max is in a coma but she’s not dead yet. Vecna/001 technically “killed” Max. Lucas mentions that her heart stopped for one minute and that’s how the portal opened and why the clock chimed four times. But Eleven somehow saves her. At the hospital Eleven goes into Max’s mind but can’t find her. It’s just empty. In the massacre scene 001 told eleven that the kids are not dead but still in his head. Papa also mentions how 001 consumes the people he kills. My theory is that Max’s consciousness/soul is in his head and if he’s defeated all the captured souls escapes. Since Max’s body is still intact her soul has a place to come back too, while the others can’t be saved because their bodies are completely destroyed.
Fuck dude your probably 100% right. He’s gonna have to be killed for max to come back. My concern is how the upside down was opened and created. Did 11 create that world or did she just open the portal? Because if she created it I am worried that she’s gonna have to sacrifice herself to save everyone
Meh, people use that "they're not really dead as long as they're in our thoughts" line all the time. I don't imagine this is going to be something different, I think he meant that he "ate" them, as in absorbed their essences and such, but they're definitely gone for all intents and purposes. It's like saying you ate something and it became a part of you, so it's not really "gone", but it's definitely not its own thing anymore.
The part where max is released from vecna and she cry’s to Lucas cuts my hart right out. I cried so hard my head hurt. Unreal acting and setting. What a pleasure to watch.
@Tyler Troyano I wish though Vecna would have purely sadistic and evil and not be complex. Given what he does is pretty evil but he thinks he's rational and justified. I don't like that they tried to make the audience sympathize and empathize with him a little bit because of all he did.
man those two are the best thing about the show other than the bald bearded flamethrowing russian speaking guy (im so bad w character names lol ive seen every season multiple times)... i think they both need way more action in the final season. sadie is my fave but lucas was b4 she showed up. hes so sweet.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 i dont sympathize w him at all lol, idc how justified he thought he was or what all happened to him, he was literally a psychopath from an early age. he had no reason to be so sadistic.
Alternatively, the fourth dimension in conventional physics is time, which was both alluded to and manipulated throughout Season 4. The fifth dimension deals with the concept of a tesseract, which describes how space can (in theory, at least) be warped.
It's great how as the kids get older, their monsters get more menacing and complex. Lucas holding Max and calling for his sister to help him brought me to tears. In fact, I was a mess this entire episode. Gay is normal, but I don't think Will is ever going to be a normal person again. At the end, when he was talking about Vecna NOT being dead, he looked so haunted. Next season will be epic!
I was wondering why the duffer brothers didn’t just tell us he was gay but I remembered it takes place in the 80s being gay back then was completely looked down upon
Will is a sad character. It’s not a very good time to be gay in the 80s because of HIV. He is lucky his brother is very sensitive and empathetic and he has no father.
@@taonglobo Technically he still has a dad, but he's a useless dropkick who's called Will homophobic slurs since he was a kid (as did his childhood bullies). So Jonathan reaffirming that he'll accept Will no matter what was probably Very needed after growing up with Lonnie.
There’s something to be noted. El does not need victims to open gates, but Vecna does. She can open and close gates without human sacrifices. I think El is more powerful than Vecna and/or has more ability to tap into the source of power than Vecna. Edna needed four victims, and his fourth victim sacrifice was not completed… what does tha mean…. Are the portals not stable?
Technically, El needed victims as well - she had to banish Henry to the Upside Down in order to open the portal. Same with the Demigorgon. Honestly, these are metaphors for banishing abuse from your life. It's locked away in a dark place inside of the mind. We can heal and overcome the past, but it can also haunt us at any time.
Without doubt. I don't think we've even seen El at her full potential yet. I think we got a glimpse in Season 2 when she closes the gate but she's going to be 🔥 in season 5. There's something else too. During the scene where she breaks free from vencas vines it's easy to forget that what we saw was a mind fight not a physical one. She was inside vecnas mind when she did that so that means she overpowered his control to release her without him even knowing it. I also wonder how a physical 1v1 will play out. El was fighting long distance on Vecnas turf and jumping through hoops to do it. Face to face might play out differently.
I am a true 80s kid. I’m almost 45 years old. And I feel that this TV series is the best I’ve ever seen. I have fallen in love with the characters and the story lines. I love the development of each of them over these 4 seasons. The actors and actresses that portrayed these characters are absolutely and amazingly talented. The homage paid over during this series is with thee utmost respect, too. Thank you Duffer brothers for giving some of us a trip down memory lane. I have laughed. I have cried. RIP Barb, Bob, Billy and Eddie. I am SO excited for Season 5 . I truly hope it is not the last season but if it is, please give us 10+ episodes lol!
I just love how Argyle is basically a pot-head version of Nurse Joy from Pokemon, with basically someone just like him working at the other Surfer Boy Pizza restaurant (and presumably all of them). I laughed my ass off 😂😂😂
The whole ‘revival’ thing is actually quite simple, it’s just the human body, really. Obviously for somebody to be alive, the blood needs to circulate the body, which can only be done by the heart, though when somebody dies, the heart stops this, so they die. What Eleven did was really simple. She practically got Max’s heart with her powers, and made it beat, which then meant the blood could go around the body. She pretty much just did CPR a with her powers.
She's alive but Henry did a number on her already so she's half dead. But she'll come back next season. If they wanted to kill her off she'd be dead by now.
OMG FINALLY SM1 WITH SENSE! its so annoying how everyone is like "how did el bring back max? Does she have sm healing powers? How did she bring max back from death? Did she resurrect max?" Like ppl dont think i swear! ALL el did was made her beat again by pressing her heart with her telekinesis, and we already knkw she can press internal organs too, when she mad troy pee himself in s1 by pressing his bladder
I do have one thing to say, while it does makes sense for 11 to just pump the heart, two things would need to happen. Since max stopped breathing when she was “dead” any oxygenated blood she had left was all she had. Secondly, 11 had to pump enough blood to max’s brain that was still oxygenated and get the cycle going. I’m not sure how long that takes or what amount but just good for thought. Another thing, cpr works because it applies just enough pressure to start the heart, and not so much that it damages the person. So 11 just squeezing max’s heart just by feeling probably wouldn’t work out. And 11 just had the fight of her life, so I feel like reviving someone isn’t really possible at that moment. Also we’ve never seen 11’s powers work from this range let alone through seeing max in her mind. It just seems weird that all 11 has to do is say no and she’ll be able to do all sorts of new things. Also let’s be honest, did she REALLY know max? She had one day where they had a sleepover and now they’re best friends? With all the trust issues 11’s had it doesn’t really seem all that like her to be so attached so quickly. It just feels like she had too many aces up her sleeve for it to make sense. Sometimes it’s not as simple as “she started her heart back up.” Just my opinion, I know I’m over complicating things and I’m sure they will have a reason at some point, but with what we were given it’s pretty hard to believe everything worked out like that
I have a strong feeling there will definitely be time jumps (as stated by director and yourself. ) but both past , present/future. These jumps will play a big role with being ahead of 001. I think 011 will figure that out, meeting Max during different time period unlocking probably a power within Max who will be the key to all of this.
@@miscellaneousgoblin910 I was hoping as well. But they seem to being jumping through dreams/thoughts/memories. Which can be altered maybe to release Max's powers if we are going to go that route.
@@miscellaneousgoblin910 i feel like there might have to be something time related- i doubt the writers would put so much emphasis on the fact that the upside down is stuck in 1983 unless they were going to do something with it
Yeesss I'm so happy someone thinks Max will have powers in S5. I think Will will too. I'm thinking Will could get a power upgrade to control monsters from the Upside Down like how he was possessed and Max will have the ability to traverse through memories. I don't think Max realizes she's doing this just yet and is just lost in memories atm. I would love to see more superpowered people on their team for the final showdown and I'm hoping 008 comes to help too.
@padmikcos, Max is my favorite Stranger Things character. I wish though Vecna would have purely sadistic and evil. He is literally a demon after all and the main characters have to kill him.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Max is mine too! Tbh since S5 is the last season, I think Vecna will be a lot more brutal. I know people were mad that a main character hasn't been killed off yet but I don't think any of them are safe in this last season.
This finale really had an Empire Strikes Back vibe, especially with ending where the villains win and the heroes are at their weakest spot. Luke undergoing training with Yoda similar to the whole Project Nina thing (even the scene where Eleven lifts that chamber totally parallels Luke trying to lift the X-wing). Luke leaving the training to face Vader despite Yoda warning that he's not ready yet, just like how Eleven ran off to face Vecna despite Brenner claiming that she's not ready yet, only for Luke/Eleven to face defeat under Vader/Vecna. It ends with Han Solo being captured by the Empire and frozen in Carbonite, kinda like how ST ends with Max in a coma. Even their story structures are kinda similar, with the heroes being separated for the majority of the story (Luke/Eleven undergoing training while Han & Leia/the Hawkins gang are fighting the Empire/Vecna)
Funny that you said that I got a new hope vibes when the guards in the Nina project bunker were getting ready for the other soldiers braking in the door it reminded me of the tentative 4 stormtroopers vs rebels.
I definitely think Max is the key to beating him. She unexpectedly got in his head. If Vecna keeps all his victims with him in his mind…. She’s still there. 011 will use that back door Max opened to get her out & defeat him.
Yeah, that is my prediction as well. Since Venca gains power by shackling his victims minds within himself, the key to weakening him will be releasing all those that he has killed. Max may very well be the key to doing this.
Shout out to David Harbour for staying in character at 19 minutes into the finale ripping the filter off the camel cigarette. Really enjoy the small details.
@@theredmocha Actually it was around 18 minutes before they grab the flamethrower he pulls out a pack of filtered cigarettes and a couple seconds later the top is on the table
@@theredmocha Well not sure exactly but if you watch Jim Hopper he only smokes unfiltered cigarettes and even has a moment with Joyce who coughs because they are 2-3x stronger than filtered. The Camel's in Russia were only filtered so he stayed in character by ripping the filter off ;)
I was surprised that Will didnt have a bigger role in this season and wonder if his "strange " feelings could be more about Vecna - since he was the first person able to escape the upside down - it would have made sense if somehow I did love the rest of the season!
I was so confused why literally 2 days after massive gaping hell holes opened in the middle of town everyone was literally just calm, did nobody like, wonder why there were massive chasms into hell in the middle of town? It just made zero sense how quickly the mood changed
Because everyone that doesn't understand the "upside down" in Hawkins only assumes it's an earthquake. They state this in the last episode. However, I too didn't like the fact the duffer bros made a time jump of '2 days later'. Because we all seen Eddie cut the rope to the portal, so how did Dustin, Steve, Nancy, Robin get back to 'real life'? I feel like this scene was rushed.
@@gessh6872 I dont think its that much of a leap to say the gang managed to get back from the upside down, i mean theres no immediate threat to them in the upside down ad im sure they could figure out how to go back through the portal without a rope, i mean dustin did it with a chair lol
They talk about how Eleven never lost like this before, so I assume they know there's a giant crack in hawkins, but I don't think they expected it to start contaminating the normal world.
Until the scene when the portal opens I thought this finale will be epic. Then, this 2 days jump happened. I thought, Ok, I'm sure the entire US army is at hawkings by now and they trying to lock down the place and figure out what to do, everybody is in panic and running for their lives. Instead, everybody was chill and calm, slowly and peacfully preparing to leave the city, reporters are reporting meters away from the portal and besides 1-2 solder there are no sign of any significant military deployment. WHAT the actuall f**ck??? This made 0 sense to me, its completely ridiculous... This is such an incredible plothole that almost destroys the entire tension which was built up until the point when the portal opened. I just don't understand how could they think this was a good artistic choice...
Really enjoyed this season. However, it's cowardly to introduce Eddie only to predictably kill him in the finale. I think it's past due for the Duffers to kill main characters. Like, why not have Dustin die in Eddie's arms? That would be daring storytelling. Or, maybe kill Steve to give Nancy some edge, or have Lucas accidentally kill Jason during the struggle for the gun. This is a horror story after all and the cast is huge.
I wish though Vecna would have purely sadistic and evil and not be complex. Given what he does is pretty evil but he thinks he's rational and justified. I don't like that they tried to make the audience sympathize and empathize with him a little bit because of all he did. And plus the main characters will have to kill him off. So I don't see the point in him being complex and sympathetic if he will eventually go down and needs to be killed?
i wanted nancy to decide she wanted to date whats her name instead of them boys lol, or just decide to be single and maybe them boys could find "comfort" in each other
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 because that’s decent character design? There are times where having a mustache twirling, evil for the hell of it type villains is for the best. And personally I agree with you I think the entities that the protagonists go up against in this show should be just that. But I also like what they did. Because it’s not that you have to sympathize with him, just understand to a degree what he’s getting at and why. And his motives aren’t bad. He truly believes in what he’s doing and makes it hard to argue with those beliefs, because in a way what he’s doing is beyond what humans would ever consider rational. To him he’s a god and who is anyone to argue with what he has accomplished. All they can do is fight and in the end I don’t think anyone will be left feeling sad when he goes, maybe just like “hell yea finally”. And that’s probably what they’re going for
I think the reason the upside down is stuck in time from when Will was taken is that when Eleven opened the gate a second time in season one, she fused the two words together somehow. So when she connected with it through the void by touchingthe Demogorgan, it changed from it's original and Henry/Vecna/One molded dimension into an echo of Hawkins frozen at the moment of fusion.
So these scene with Will and Jonathon in the Pizza place. That scene awoken something deep in me because I was bawling like a baby as Jonathon was telling him how much he'll always love and accept and be there for him. It was truly and underrated moment.
Season 1 was new 2 was same ol' same ol' but it had great character development and cute kids coming out age romance that's nostalgic even for adults. Season 3 was boring with the Russians. But season 4 is great thanks to new villain Henry and the backstory of El and what happened at Hawkins lab. Humans always make the most compelling villains than mindless monsters because human villains always make interesting character studies.
Season one was still the best. Lots of mystery and a slow build up of horror and an atmosphere that can’t be replicated. I still enjoy the series as a whole
Don't forget about #8, in older interviews Duffer Brothers said that storyline will come back into play before the end of the series, remember she can make people see or not see what ever she wants, like spiders crawling all over that dude with the Mohawk hand & arm
I hope so, I don't think eleven can close that giant gate on her own so getting 8 and characters from the comics involved seems necessary. Same with the army nancy mentioned
interesting if she got a sort of similar fate to classic loki from..loki or something like that. Her power is definitely unique but a lot less useful overall, and other than a good distraction i can't really see her doing all that much.
I just found that part really unnecessary, like what was the reason. It felt like they just needed to quickly fill a gap. Eleven went and left so suddenly and she’s never been mentioned since.
When you said "memory in a memory", it makes me think of The Haunting of Bly Manor... Like they are still living on inside Vecna's head, tucked away in a happy place, (hopefully), ignorant to what is really going on, not wanting to remember/relive the trauma of their death.
The thing that bothered me most was how Vecna was the main bad guy all along instead of the mind flayer. We’ve had so many human bad guys was really hoping the mind flayed would play a bigger role and be the hive mind virus type bad guy from the upside down everyone has to worry about because it gives us a villain that isn’t redeemable and an actual threat
Upon first watch this is still the case. This retcon only just happened and we still got to watch the first 3 seasons under the impression that it was a hive mind. Vecna isn’t really redeemable either he’s technically killed everyone you’ve seen die on screen
Season 5 opens up with Dustin remembering the first day he met Eddie when everything was back to normal. Eddie bestows some metal wisdom to his new hellfire member then we cut to the big time jump future. That would be a great opening for the fans and for the story. It’ll also give Quin the stage to show his acting chops of playing a Eddie not fully evolved or grown into… but still have him be charming and bestow wisdom
season 1 episode 1, when Joyce first goes to Hopper when Will is missing, she says Will's dad always said Will was queer. They've been foreshadowing this since the jump!
Concerning the number 4, the fourth dimension in conventional physics is time, which was used and manipulated throughout this season. Continuing with the (assumed) pattern, the fifth dimension- the concept of a tesseract- could be a major plot element in Season 5. Tesseracts describe how space could be warped, and how one could (in theory) travel great distances while making it seem like only a few feet(or meters, inches… however you want to measure it).
Will Definity has some big role to play in the Upside down. He obviously has a connection to it, for the connection to be cut he might die next season.
Also just to add that there was the need to roll 20 to win D&D at the start of S4. This would be 11+8 and they would then realise they need to draw 1 out from within Vecna to make 20. The Henry Kreel at the moment he was allocated number 001 will still be in Vecna somewhere - as he says, they are all still in him. If they can use music to draw out the innocent 001 befoere he turned evil, then they reach the 20 to win!
I never thought about the dice roll, that's actually really interesting! Though the only problem is that Henry Creel was always evil, he was born that way and will die that way. But your point may still stand, there still needs to be one more person to make an impact and help take him down: Max? Will? Who knows
How did Vecna transform the upside down to mirror Hawkins, even the physical things like houses, bicycles, diaries with details etc? How did he manifest tangible physical copies of everything? That's sorcery that is beyond the powers that we were shown him have. What is the true secret of the upside down, is it a reflective mirror dimension of sort? What was the mind flare before vecna took over it? It doesn't seem to have a mind of its own. What is it and what can it do apart from being puppeteerd by vecna? Where did it come from and what is it made of? Did it have a purpose, is it sentient? Is it like wate? We can manipulate water, water follows the law of physics, water gives life to many organisms BUT water does not have a mind of its own. Is the mind flare like water but to the upside down? What water is to life, the mind flare is to the upside down?
@@louisepreacely6161 we waited years for a season that retconned a lot about the story mythos. There’s no point holding out for the next season, whatever magic the Duffer Bros had before, is gone.
I'm still confused why the upside-down even has stuff like houses, clothes, toys, etc. when it has no people, it makes no sense. 🤨 It's even less sensible than Superman's Bizarro universe having a cube for a sun because they think the opposite of a circle is a square. 🤦
Just my opinion but I think that the only person that can actually kill vecna is Eleven herself. Just like how harry was the only one who could kill Voldemort in Harry Potter. Since he’s stole some of her powers I think she will be the only one who will actually be able to kill him.
I just realized something with your post. Vecna took something from Eleven than put him at an advantage. Strikingly similar to Voldemort using Harry’s blood to revive himself so that he could gain an upper hand by overcoming the spell of his mother.
through out all the deaths in Stranger Things Eddies death hit me the hardest and him playing master of the puppets just makes him more awesome than billy, bob and barb
@@zacharyhall365 I was satisfied to see Jason get cut in half, especially after the way he beat Lucas and got in the way of Max. But When Eddie launched into playing Master of Puppets I died Laughing. That was so great.
A couple things for me, Eddie's character had so much more story to give, that it sucks that they killed him off. Second, I found it odd that Jason had most of the town on his side to hunt the characters down but when they did find them, it was only him and his homeboy to show up.
I agree, Eddie's death felt off to me. They were trying to fulfil this story arc about not running in the face of danger but realistically, he didn't slow down the bats for long. Even the way the bats circled around him seemed stupid, they could have killed him instantly with the amount of them there was and then went straight back to the house with Vecna
At first vecna had to abdorb his victims to actually kill for the gate. Eddie was killed by Bats, not absorbed, which lets me really hope that he comes back like that betraying Vampire fighter against Vecna( the only not having no brain option in dungeons and dragons to defeat Vecna) with an e-Guitar which have some awesome super wave power...that would be great...Eddie why did you die??
13:20 Jonathan never said he didn't want to go to college. In fact he had been accepted to a community college in CA near his family. He just didn't want to go to the same college as Nancy because it would be away from his family that he is used to supporting. He assumed if he told Nancy that she would move out to CA to be with him and not attend college. It's a pretty misguided belief that Nancy would suddenly give it all up for Jonathan and Nancy wouldn't just attend another college in CA but maybe Jonathan has been smoking too much pot to think straight.
vecna (seasons 1-3): *relying on eleven to open the gates* eleven: *once opened, immediately closing them* vecna (season 4): “oh my lord child, fine. i’ll do it myself.”
I'm saying yes, but maybe not the best job showing how. The arena fight and torching of the demogorgons was juxtaposed with Nancy and Robin shooting and burning Vecna. There was a moment after a Demogorgon was hurt when Vecna looked like he was feeling pain, but it's hard to tell because he was on fire and taking buckshot, too. I guess the argument would be a less distracted Vecna may have been able to overpower his direct assailants. Sort of a cost for having the hive mind.
@Karate Chicken I wish though Vecna would be purely sadistic and evil and not be complex. Given what he does is pretty evil but he thinks he's rational and justified. I don't like that they tried to make the audience sympathize and empathize with him a little bit because of all he did. And plus the main characters will have to kill him off. So I don't see the point in him being complex and sympathetic if he will eventually go down and needs to be killed?
They need to track down #8/Kali. They're gonna need all the help they can get. She might might not have telekinesis, but her illusory powers are definitely a kind of mind control. She might be helpful.
11:18 if vecna made all those monsters, and he can control them, then that means that will can be controled by him and he WAS controled by him. When the shadow monster started controlling him and i have another theory if vecna made those things that means the upside down isn't frozen, it's just that when you make a thing, that thing never changes (if you don't change it) and vecna made the upside down when will dissappeared, and when will dissapeared it was all how we can see in this minute: 2:00 . So does that mean that the upside down is another realm completly different of how we think? How did he get nancy's diary if he made all of that tho 🧐
3 out of 4 victims completely died. Max was the only “survivor” ig u can say. So with 11 not being able to find her, i think that means that max is either still “asleep” or in the dimension that vecna was initially in (black and gold realm)
@@LisaLeeLeeBlue The only girl that died in a pool was in season 1, before he even started this plan of creating his own portals, or even had the power to...
@@jonfreeman9682 don’t DIE in the upside down😂😂😂? Bro you smoking crack. Barbra died in the upside down, Will was clinically dead in until they barely saved him from the upside down, hundreds of scientists that were dragged into the upside down and killed, the demogorgans themselves have been killed in the upside down😂😂 when your gone your gone. And why you bringing up hopper? He was saved from Russia not the upside down, he never died😂🤦♂️
Max entering Vecna’s mind reminded of a scene from Dr Who: The Girl in the Fireplace. When the Doctor is exploring the Lady’s mind, she starts talking about his childhood. When he asks how she is able to do that, she essentially says he opened a door through which she chose to cross.
3 theories of mine: 1. The gang, after a couple years,figure out beating vecna and the mind flayer is practically impossible and they come up with an idea of going back in time and reversing the first showdown with Henry(vecna). Everyone comes back to present day like nothing happened. But the twist is,with that, they have no memory of 11. And 11 has no memory of them. Second theory, same thing,2 years ahead, they're trying different things, and realize will can tell where he is. The group figures out to defeat the mind flayer,they have to defeat vecna in human form. They plan an all out brawl and during that max wakes up, which closes a gate. The gang realizes this and they head back to the upside down,revive the others and close the gates. After that they kill vecna in human form. Still having the mind flayer to deal with. 11 tells them she can control it and send it back but she will have to go with it and close the gates for good. She does,and stays in the upside down to watch over the darkness. 3. Same as last two,2 years later, vecna and mind flayer reek havok on Hawkins. The gang comes up with a plan to get the mind flayer back to the upside down. But first the mind flayer kills vecna and starts to run wild. 11 goes beast mode. And send the mind flayer back and seals up Hawkins. When that happens, 11 gets too weak and dies,while saving Hawkins.
@@Doomsday604 lol true. Just saying they're already brought back max from the dead,somewhat like avengers. Vecna had his own weird ass view on life,kinda like Thanos,right? So yeah, it reminds me of endgame. Lol but the ending,will be a bit darker.
It was silly because Hawaiian pizzas have been around for decades (since 1962), so they'd been a thing for a long time by 1986, but they didn't become a meme to pretend to (or actually 🤦) fight about until relatively recently (~2010s). So the show forcing this meme-ish scene was silly and breaks immersion when they usually go out of their way to try to stay true to the timeline (except when they screw up like Suzie talking about IP addresses two years before IANA was founded).
@@I.____.....__...__ things sometime become memes because they're well known and have been going on for long periods of time. We definitely had memes in the 80s before the internet, and even if they weren't memes, they were rooted in existing shared cultural patterns.
I don’t think we will have a very happy ending for Eleven next season. I have a feeling she’s gonna have to die and have always felt that way because of the nosebleeds they get when using their powers. This has always spelled doom in one way or another in my opinion, maybe it destroys their brain when they use it more and she has definitely used it more lately
I mean if any of the project's children are alive, then a portal could open again. In order to end the show, the UD has to be finally closed off for good.
I really loved Will's speech, it all but stated that Will might be gay and in love with Mike. Noah performed it brilliantly, and I hope that it gets addressed in Season 5.
I think it’s fine if people see it that way but even the actors of stranger things don’t see it that way so I doubt the directors will go down the route. Noah himself clarified that it’s fine if people see it that way, but that’s not his intention or the writers. It’s about Will who grew up too fast and feels like his friends had slipped away from him. He misses Mike who used to be so close with him and now only pays attention to eleven
In the very first episode of season 1 Joyce tells Hopper in his office that people think Will is gay. Hopper says “is he?” And Joyce says “he’s sensitive.” So they’ve hinted at it from the beginning. Love the writing and character development in this show, it’s amazing.
I want that too something completely unimaginable and cosmic thats bigger than all of them. Something you can't even understand, vecna being the final boss is boring
Game of Thrones. The coffee cup. But here we are in the 2020's and I have that exact same shirt Steve was wearing in the last 10 minutes of episode 9. Same Blue material, same exact buttons. Bought it 2 years ago. I also have the same exact Black Wrangler pants Mike was wearing. Got them in 1987 and still have them.
What's so confusing is that in season 2, Max was acting a little rude to Dustin during a scene at school, and Dustin said "One day, you'll say "I'm sorry for being so mean to you in 8th grade". What do you mean "8th grade"? You are like 12 years old! And in season 4, Lucas said "We came to high school wanting things to be different" but you couldn't have just come to high school this year if you were almost already there like 7 years ago? High school is grades 9, 10, 11, and 12! Did they all get held back another year or something?
I think the Hawkins crew is going to evacuate to Indianapolis. This was mentioned in the last episode and I just don't think El has the firepower to deal with Vecna and his army head on.
I was thinking that if Max will return/wake up in her coma, maybe, the four gates will close. But for that to happen, Eleven needs to get inside of Henry's mind so that she can find all the people that Henry had killed including Max maybe even if he was just halfway into killing Max because Eleven stopped him. If Maxine will return, she will be blind.
I was really enjoying this season. I even got super emotional which is uncharacteristic for me. That being said it really was a bad idea to split this season in two parts. I feel it really hurt the emotional impact the show would have had on me overall. I still enjoyed it very much . But I hope netflix doesn't do this again for season 5 .
It helped a lot with hype and marketing. Prevented people from just binge-watching the entire show in one night and never talking about it again. They're going to 100% do it again.
What's the big deal with the extended part 2. They couldn't pack everything into an hour episode so that's great we got 4 hours of entertainment in the last two episodes to tell a complete story with great character moments.
I think it was due to Covid messing up things early on. Instead of holding off the entire season, they got the first ones out for VOL 1 while they finished up and gave us the last 2
this show makes me so emotional. The POWER of these stories. steven king type stories. with a group of kids. the mind of a kid, just having fun in a basement and playing games. in season 3 the killer end line from the letter: "i don't want things to change" and we see will cry and them driving away. I have this huge place in my heart for that time in our life. that age. and seeing it in this show, it is kind of hard seeing the kids grow up. and things changing and changing and there is never enough TIME.
That was very selfless of Will putting Mike and El before himself. I still can’t help feel sad for him and he needs someone to be there for him more than ever. He’s obviously not ready to be totally open about his feelings toward Mike yet. Some are very honest with how they feel and some are just too scared to be honest. The thing about feelings is that they change, that’s what makes them so interesting and painful, but you can’t deny that you feel feelings because then you’ll just end up feeling worse.
The only single thing I had a problem with in the final episode was that everyone calls it an earthquake even though I have a hard time believing that not a single person saw the giant rift in the ground or took a picture of it. I mean with all the people there, it just doesn't make sense. Also, wouldn't there still be giant Valleys in the ground from where the rift originally was? Besides that one thing, I loved everything else about the season. Great job!
I think the whole no pictures thing has to do with people getting evaporated if they were too close to the rift + it’s the 1980s so most people just didn’t carry cameras around like we can today
@@liatheprincess1186 You got it right. It was hard to even make a decent video back then. VHS or Beta was your choice. But still, there is a giant rift in the ground. Now there are giant valleys. I guess that's why everyone is leaving town ASAP
I don't think it's Max who might have a power I think it's will. I feel like Henry becoming vecna and seeing the particles and making the mind flayer in the form of a jacked up spider was him using his ability to give the mind flayer a physical form that he'd never had an idea to do before because everything there was chaos and fire, when will first gets sucked into the upside down I think it's the exact same thing I don't think it's an accident that not only is it stuck in time but the upside down he's always wet and dark and covered in vines and trees the exact same way will was running away on his bike that night fleeing from some monster in the woods in a dark and stormy night ... The upside down looks like a child's nightmare version of a forest which is exactly where will was and we know that he has true sight and we know that his imagination and creativity are massive, see whether purposefully or not I think well at least once so far has had a major influence on the upside down and what it looks like . I also think that will saw something horrible the same way Nancy did premonition of the future or a threat of what the future would be only made this different or more fleshed out and is so much worse than what Nancy was showing that he couldn't bring himself to tell anyone about it Nancy saw a quick glimpse of doctor's mind will was trapped with him and that connection clearly still exists I don't think that would be the case if will had no powers. So I think it's possible that will has been sitting on the knowledge of eventual apocalypse this whole time and maybe he knows that see your mic or letting in not gonna make it in the end and that's why he looks so sad and longing. I think it is pretty likely Max's mind is somewhere I also think that well the 4th portal was opened at Max's death whatever 11 did to at least partially bring her back may have put a pin in things and slowed it down somewhat or maybe even paused it so that all of Hawkins is partially in the upside down now. If that's the case I think good chunk of season five is going to be dedicated to a race with there were heroes trying to get Max's soul or mind back to her body to potentially undo the opening of the 4th gate so it's a sacrifice would no longer really be a sacrifice or the whole time vecna he's searching for either her body or her soldier mind if she's able to hide from him so he can finish killing her completing the sacrifice so I think saving Max is going to be a huge linchpin. Gonna century whoever can get to her first is going to have the upper hand assuming exactly I can't or won't go after a different 4th victim and I know everyone keeps saying Max was the only other potential victim but he did What happens if we do the same thing to Nancy he shuddered thoughts haunting her about barbs death and not being there when she should because she was busy having boinked time with Steve, so I can very easily see Nancy was doing his target in lieu of Max if need be.
2:23 It could be the Upside Down thousands of years ago. Maybe in it's infancy. Like a line Dustin said about knowing how long the upside down has been around. And Henry could have spent thousands of years there, corrupting the already hazardous realm. And for some reason recreating Hawkins. I think it's unlikely that he built Hawkins in there though. I think that has to do with Will.
the show’s longtime production designer Chris Trujillo said in an Interview: "The moment that the Upside Down was quote-unquote “created” inadvertently by Eleven, the set dressing and the world of the Upside Down is frozen in that moment. So like when we’re in Nancy’s room, we’ll discover in the Upside Down that Nancy’s room is as it was season 1 when we first were introduced to it." So the Hawkins version of the Upsidedown was accidentally created by Eleven when she opened the maingate. That makes more sense than Vecna doing it because he hates the artificial human world. He wouldn't want to recreate it. He wants to take it over and mold it into what he wants.
Yes that's hilarious and comedy gold. Rewatched that funny conversation a few times as it's so sweet and you don't know where it's going to go from there. Maybe this new band girl swings both ways and likes to play both sides. 😉😙😘😍
Yes! Oh wow I did not even notice that. I felt that Vickie was nervous around Robin because the feelings are reciprocal and it seemed alluded to with how she over explained her ex boyfriend. Guess we’ll just have to see!
But the absolute best bit was the Lucas and Max conversation about Miss Kelly. They set that up so well to have made everyone think she was more important than she was only have literally then tell the audience to stop thinking about her. Great 4th wall moment to let us all know we fell for their misdirection. That was very clever.
I still can't believe Eddie went back for those darned bats...him stalling the swarm was arguably pointless, which makes his death even more annoying 😩
It wasn't pointless though, did you see how f*ckin' many got in? And they were coming straight for the gate, they would've flown right through, ripped both him and Dustin to shreds, and then feasted on as many poor saps as they could find in Hawkins. Eddie's death saved Dustin and probably a lot of other innocent people
Character development in this show was beyond great like I can’t explain but emotionally how thes characters grow and what happened make the show more emotional
Best finale of a show ever and it’s not even the series finale Henry is still alive barely but still living just licking his wounds getting ready for all hell to break loose and let that giant mind flayer creature out of the giant gaping hole in the middle of Hawkins Rip Eddie hopefully Max gets her sight back and wakes up from her coma to watch that movie w Lucas they planned out Season 5 is going to be bat shit crazy if half of what Nancy described happens jus imagine Hawkins swarming with demobats and demodogs demogorgons every demo in the book freaking epic
They need to keep Henry alive to sustain anther season. Henry is like Darth Vader so without him then next season there's nothing left to tell. It's tough coming up with new villains.
The funny thing is so many people are all about Byler (news flash that's gonna happen its not written to be a thing) but the way you did the opening is actually how I think its going to play out in Season 5. I think Will is more afraid of coming out to his friends because he's afraid it'll change their relationship ship and they'll reject him. I don't think the scene on the van was him hiding romatic feelings but just hiding his feelings in total. He wants to tell Mike he wants him to know who he really is but he's afraid to. But I guarantee when he finally does tell them, Mike and the others will be like yeah we know, we've always known, and it doesn't matter. It'll literally be a no big deal to them moment because he's their friend no matter what and that will really make Will happy to know his friends accept him and he didn't need to be afraid at all.
Vecna created Tge Upside Down as he wanted it, he never wanted Hawkins - Will did, when Will bounced over, it created the mirror of Hawkins off WILL'S desires. Now whether that was a concious change by the realm or it bouncing off Vecna's mind and THEN being shaped (we know Will doesn't have powers, but thatay not matter to shape the world).
12:57 I’ve already got this part figured out. Steve still loves Nancy in season 4, but at the end Jonathan and Nancy are still together. The reason Steve told her about his dream of being married to Her with their 6 kids, at the end of season 4, is because he is going to die saving her in season 5. It will make his death make sense if he sacrifices himself later in the show along with making the moment more tragic sense he’s a big character in the show. Not to mention his side kick Robin has finally approached her crush. So Robin and her crush will be a team in the series finale. It kind of leaves Steve being the odd man out.
I agree this was the best season and the last two episodes were amazing! And yes The Talisman is about another realm but it's more like a fantasy world than the upside down. Also i had no idea the Duffers are making it into a series that's awesome!
King is overexposed. I wish Barker's works would get some more attention. They didn't even make volume two of _The Great and Secret Show_ graphic novel. 😕
@@I.____.....__...__ oh I absolutely one hundred percent agree with you about Barker, his books are excellent. I didn't even know there was a graphic novel of TGASS but I liked the book, actually it was the first one of his books I ever read bit that sucks it only got one volume. Unfortunately only Hellraiser was adapted and the only other movie of his I recall is Lord of Illusions.
Though I wasn’t really a fan of season 2’s arc with Kali/Eight, it could be worth noting that Eight’s storyline is unresolved and that she may well be coming back in the season 5 finale. Maybe Eleven and Eight have to fight together in order to defeat Henry/001/Vecna. It also seems that Will is tied into the mind flayer in ways that have yet to be revealed.
I do think I have a theory about why max was able to travel into vecna's mind. though vecna's kills may seem diverse, I did notice a type of trend all his kills shared. he seems to prefer to trap his victims in either an enclosed environment or an environment that would be hard for the victim to escape from vecna. take the lake, the trailer, and the creel house. and if you count his attempted murders we can also add Chrissy's house and the school. (and before you ask about Fred, he was a bit more emotional manipulable. so vecna didn't really worry about him even though he was in an open environment because vecna's tricks just worked better for someone like Fred.) what I'm trying to say is that I believe within every world created when vecna tries to kill someone, there is a type of hole that leads into his mind. this is why vecna chooses enclosed spaces or environments that would be difficult for the victim to run easily because A, it's a more effective and easy way to kill people and B, it insures that they don't stray too far and end up in his mind. this is part of the reason why, whenever he barricades doors in enclosed places, he's insuring they don't get away and wander off. this could also explain why vecna was surprised Max got so far as up to that point he really didn't have to deal with a victim wandering off to his mind. this could also mean that vecna underestimated max and thought she'd be as manipulable as Fred. both do share similar trauma and remember that vecna (presumably) only sees the bad in people (though it could be up for debate if he can know what they're capable of. this is all a theory and I'll admit, I might be underplaying vecna's intellect a tad bit here. but what do you think?
@@KungFuKeni I was mostly referring how he died in the forest/on the road. If max was killed in the same area it could've ended similarly to the time vecna tried killing max in the grave yard. But Fred being killed in a grave does further my point on how vecna prefers to kill.
So if Hawkins was frozen the moment in time that the gate to the Upside Down was opened, how was Will able to interact with the Christmas lights and letters Joyce painted on the wall in season 1?
Guys remember in the end of Season 1 when the kids play DnD, and arguing that the campain was nonsense ? They mentioned a knight, a princess, and a cave with mysterious flowers. Well, what if Hopper is the knight, Joyce the princess, the cave is the library and the flowers are vecna's nerves spreaded accross the upside down version of Hawkins ? That would explain why the center of the giant Gate is located at the library. Something in Season 1 must have happened when will was stick in that place and connected to the plants. Since Will Can still feel the stranger things happening about the upside down, he is probably connected somehow. This season brought many psychologic elements, so I believe that vecna set 1983 to upside down's Hawkins clock based on Will's trauma about being kidnapped and all the stuff he endured during season 1. That would give us another piggyback arc in Season 5, about the Gang heading to the library to destroy whatever is causing this mess since the beggining.
I hope Eddie will comeback for season 5, I know it might sound delusional but - I wish and hope that Eddie actually survived and they have to fake his death to prevent him from getting captured and that he will redeem himself and clear his name in the next season. I feel like his death was so unnecessary? Idk I just wish he will comeback for season 5.
*Max is currently in Vecna's mind, probably running around terrified in an endless loop from Billy.* - In short, each of the 4 victims is in their own version of Hell, in Vecna's mind. If 11 can put Max back in her own body, the emotional trauma of being tormented by Vecna for days, weeks, or months, will make Max go insane. Then, she has to deal with the physical trauma of having all her limbs broken and then blindness. If Max can overcome all that and Lucas is with her the whole time. -bruh. the feels. However, the better option for Max, is to not to go back to her body, but take over Vecna's mind and body. Using the mindflayer's power , she can create a new body. -It may not be human anymore, but it doesn't have to be evil. Max could shape the Upside Down into something for good.
I think Vecna's mind fills in the landscape when he stalks someone in the normal world, like a game map adding in buildings and roads when you enter that section. Remember, although Will was taken from his house... he was at the Wheeler house playing D&D and as he left that house, the porch lights started glitching.... Vecna projected himself _there_ , he is the shadowy figure that appeared on the road, just like he was the shadowy figure in johnathan's photo of Barb at the Harrington house. The upside down copy of Eddies' trailer is only a few days old... it's from when Chrissy was killed, not the night Will was taken.
Here's my theory- Max is completely unconscious for the most of Season 5. At the end of Season 5, there's a time jump, but before the time jump, the gang beats Vecna- and finally, Max wakes up and regains herself, her conscience and personality, everything. Since time can heal our body, her bones are back in place and she'll be able to live as she was before. There's a time jump, and it shows Max in her 40s/50s living a normal life with Lucas and a scene where they meet up with Will and _______(I HOPE LOLL), Dustin and Suzie, and Eleven and Mike as all as couples. They go to visit the graves of the older part of the group, aka Steve, Robin, Nancy, Eddie, Jonathan, Joyce, Steve, etc. The couples lean on each other and the sky fades to a black and flashes red lightning. The screen fades, and it cuts to the credits. And there we have it- the end of Stranger Things. This is just a theory though. :)
The blows to Vecna in the creel house could have weakened him, the same way Eleven lost her powers at the end of season 3. With that he could lose control of the mind flayer and all associated hive entities, leaving someone to take his place, maybe Eleven or even Will. I'm worried for Hawkins as a whole. Surely the military will nuke the joint into orbit at the end of season 5.
Vecna is trying to control the Flayer and merge with it to transcend his humanity. The issue is the Flayer is too powerful and it'll probably find a way to get rid of Henry instead. he won't be able to control the Flayer like Brenner couldn't control him. Max will come back after Vecna dies.
That's his weirdo plan. He wants to harness the power of the dark side like Senator Palpatine to become the Sith Lord. Same thing with Henry. Also Thanos did the same thing by commanding legions of demons and monsters to fight the Avengers. This has been done too many times. Nothing original here.
The point is Vecna IS the Mind Flayer. I don't think the Flayer will kill him at all. If anything, I've more reason to believe it will be Eleven that finishes the job.
Vecna is NOT the Mind Flayer. He shaped the shadow clouds into the form we know now, but it existed before Henry appeared in its world. He looked at it and thought that it held the key to transcend his human form. He knew it's power is beyond his, but he wants that power for himself. HE wants to be the predator, the only way to do that is to consume the Flayer's essence and take it's power. I just think he will fail to control it like Brenner failed to control 001.
We Know Vecna draws on his Anger and Sadness as the source of his power. I think Max will play a key role in weakening vecna by making him vulnerable through hacking his mind and exposing him to her own raw positive emotions while she dwells in his mind, perhaps in a vital moment allowing eleven to defeat him for good. They may even force him to realize the error in his ways, perhaps driving him to closing the gates himself.
I really want to know how they will bring 8 back into this story because she could possibly play a major roles especially in the dreams since she can create illusions. Another thing that I am curious about as well is how did she escape Hawkins lab when Henry destroyed it.
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Don't forget about #8, in older interviews Duffer Brothers said that storyline will come back into play before the end of the series, remember she can make people see or not see what ever she wants, like spiders crawling all over that dude with the Mohawk hand & arm
What is the Origin of Henry Creel's power ?
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@@pi.log10 YES
1. What is the TRUE origin of the UD?
2. (I think this is confirmed at this point but…) Is 001/Henry/Vecna the mind flayer?
3. When and how did 008 escape? (bc she wasn’t there when 001 un-alived the kids.)
OPEN DISCUSSION…
My mouth literally fell open when Max’s bones started breaking. I was like, “WHAT?????” Truly epic season. That and Eddie’s scene were just phenomenal!
yeah dude i screamed and woke my husband up
I’m still mad and I just watched it a hour ago from making this comment
Eleven can undo it
Edit - she got her fractured bones plastered.
So we expect to see her again in s5
During the max and Eddie scenes all i could think was "it shouldve been mike" cuz fuck mike.
Never cried so hard in my entire life.
Max is in a coma but she’s not dead yet. Vecna/001 technically “killed” Max. Lucas mentions that her heart stopped for one minute and that’s how the portal opened and why the clock chimed four times. But Eleven somehow saves her. At the hospital Eleven goes into Max’s mind but can’t find her. It’s just empty. In the massacre scene 001 told eleven that the kids are not dead but still in his head. Papa also mentions how 001 consumes the people he kills. My theory is that Max’s consciousness/soul is in his head and if he’s defeated all the captured souls escapes. Since Max’s body is still intact her soul has a place to come back too, while the others can’t be saved because their bodies are completely destroyed.
@LuckyTiger I hope you are right, she is my favorite character
Fuck dude your probably 100% right. He’s gonna have to be killed for max to come back. My concern is how the upside down was opened and created. Did 11 create that world or did she just open the portal? Because if she created it I am worried that she’s gonna have to sacrifice herself to save everyone
Meh, people use that "they're not really dead as long as they're in our thoughts" line all the time. I don't imagine this is going to be something different, I think he meant that he "ate" them, as in absorbed their essences and such, but they're definitely gone for all intents and purposes. It's like saying you ate something and it became a part of you, so it's not really "gone", but it's definitely not its own thing anymore.
@@Blueeyesinthesky no she didn’t create it. Just accidentally opened the gate. The world was always there most likely.
@@Blueeyesinthesky I'm thinking that might happen either way in the end.
The part where max is released from vecna and she cry’s to Lucas cuts my hart right out. I cried so hard my head hurt. Unreal acting and setting. What a pleasure to watch.
@Tyler Troyano I wish though Vecna would have purely sadistic and evil and not be complex. Given what he does is pretty evil but he thinks he's rational and justified. I don't like that they tried to make the audience sympathize and empathize with him a little bit because of all he did.
man those two are the best thing about the show other than the bald bearded flamethrowing russian speaking guy (im so bad w character names lol ive seen every season multiple times)... i think they both need way more action in the final season. sadie is my fave but lucas was b4 she showed up. hes so sweet.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 i dont sympathize w him at all lol, idc how justified he thought he was or what all happened to him, he was literally a psychopath from an early age. he had no reason to be so sadistic.
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4 is a circle, the four points of the compass. It makes sense that he would need 4 points to create a bigger portal.
Alternatively, the fourth dimension in conventional physics is time, which was both alluded to and manipulated throughout Season 4. The fifth dimension deals with the concept of a tesseract, which describes how space can (in theory, at least) be warped.
Um, what? Four is a _square._ Infinity is a circle. If you mean four is a polygon, then _three_ is the simplest polygon.
@@isaacharvey451 This is mainly all wrong apart from time being (very loosely speaking) the 'fourth dimension' - source a physicists
What if the number 4 is just number 4 and there's no backstory or bullshit theories behind it? .........
A circle actually has no points and one face
It's great how as the kids get older, their monsters get more menacing and complex. Lucas holding Max and calling for his sister to help him brought me to tears. In fact, I was a mess this entire episode. Gay is normal, but I don't think Will is ever going to be a normal person again. At the end, when he was talking about Vecna NOT being dead, he looked so haunted. Next season will be epic!
I was wondering why the duffer brothers didn’t just tell us he was gay but I remembered it takes place in the 80s being gay back then was completely looked down upon
@@Romonedu and i think Will could still be not sure if he is gay or not, I really hope if he does his friends will support him.
Will is a sad character. It’s not a very good time to be gay in the 80s because of HIV. He is lucky his brother is very sensitive and empathetic and he has no father.
@@taonglobo Technically he still has a dad, but he's a useless dropkick who's called Will homophobic slurs since he was a kid (as did his childhood bullies). So Jonathan reaffirming that he'll accept Will no matter what was probably Very needed after growing up with Lonnie.
@@robbiesmith8055 one thing for sure. If will lives to grow old I think he can never move on. He is damage goods.
There’s something to be noted. El does not need victims to open gates, but Vecna does. She can open and close gates without human sacrifices. I think El is more powerful than Vecna and/or has more ability to tap into the source of power than Vecna. Edna needed four victims, and his fourth victim sacrifice was not completed… what does tha mean…. Are the portals not stable?
I’m gonna call Vecna Edna from now on…it’ll really piss him off . 🤣
@@yanetchka Just call him henry, and say he just average human like us. it will piss him more
Technically, El needed victims as well - she had to banish Henry to the Upside Down in order to open the portal. Same with the Demigorgon.
Honestly, these are metaphors for banishing abuse from your life. It's locked away in a dark place inside of the mind. We can heal and overcome the past, but it can also haunt us at any time.
@@indisummers4385 u right I think el used the dead brothers n sisters who Henry killed to open the portal
Without doubt. I don't think we've even seen El at her full potential yet. I think we got a glimpse in Season 2 when she closes the gate but she's going to be 🔥 in season 5.
There's something else too. During the scene where she breaks free from vencas vines it's easy to forget that what we saw was a mind fight not a physical one. She was inside vecnas mind when she did that so that means she overpowered his control to release her without him even knowing it. I also wonder how a physical 1v1 will play out. El was fighting long distance on Vecnas turf and jumping through hoops to do it. Face to face might play out differently.
I am a true 80s kid. I’m almost 45 years old. And I feel that this TV series is the best I’ve ever seen. I have fallen in love with the characters and the story lines. I love the development of each of them over these 4 seasons. The actors and actresses that portrayed these characters are absolutely and amazingly talented. The homage paid over during this series is with thee utmost respect, too. Thank you Duffer brothers for giving some of us a trip down memory lane. I have laughed. I have cried. RIP Barb, Bob, Billy and Eddie. I am SO excited for Season 5 . I truly hope it is not the last season but if it is, please give us 10+ episodes lol!
Agree with you on everything am 48 and I have loved the nostalgia this show gives me ,, I love stranger things the writers the cast … Everything!!!!!
Yes!!! Im 45 also
You,brown, you are willing become my loved and pregnant wife?
I am your age. I love it. If it was staged in Modern times, I don't think I would be rooting for the kids.
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I just love how Argyle is basically a pot-head version of Nurse Joy from Pokemon, with basically someone just like him working at the other Surfer Boy Pizza restaurant (and presumably all of them). I laughed my ass off 😂😂😂
This comparison made me laugh so much, I would have never made the connection lol
@@sofiaescobar4455 🤣🤣🤣
I love him so much
@@sofiaescobar4455 I know right lol
Argyle was my second favorite new character this season, right behind the legend Eddie Munson.
The whole ‘revival’ thing is actually quite simple, it’s just the human body, really. Obviously for somebody to be alive, the blood needs to circulate the body, which can only be done by the heart, though when somebody dies, the heart stops this, so they die. What Eleven did was really simple. She practically got Max’s heart with her powers, and made it beat, which then meant the blood could go around the body. She pretty much just did CPR a with her powers.
She's alive but Henry did a number on her already so she's half dead. But she'll come back next season. If they wanted to kill her off she'd be dead by now.
EXACTLY.
OMG FINALLY SM1 WITH SENSE! its so annoying how everyone is like "how did el bring back max? Does she have sm healing powers? How did she bring max back from death? Did she resurrect max?" Like ppl dont think i swear! ALL el did was made her beat again by pressing her heart with her telekinesis, and we already knkw she can press internal organs too, when she mad troy pee himself in s1 by pressing his bladder
Yea I figured she did something like that
I do have one thing to say, while it does makes sense for 11 to just pump the heart, two things would need to happen. Since max stopped breathing when she was “dead” any oxygenated blood she had left was all she had. Secondly, 11 had to pump enough blood to max’s brain that was still oxygenated and get the cycle going. I’m not sure how long that takes or what amount but just good for thought. Another thing, cpr works because it applies just enough pressure to start the heart, and not so much that it damages the person. So 11 just squeezing max’s heart just by feeling probably wouldn’t work out. And 11 just had the fight of her life, so I feel like reviving someone isn’t really possible at that moment. Also we’ve never seen 11’s powers work from this range let alone through seeing max in her mind. It just seems weird that all 11 has to do is say no and she’ll be able to do all sorts of new things. Also let’s be honest, did she REALLY know max? She had one day where they had a sleepover and now they’re best friends? With all the trust issues 11’s had it doesn’t really seem all that like her to be so attached so quickly. It just feels like she had too many aces up her sleeve for it to make sense. Sometimes it’s not as simple as “she started her heart back up.” Just my opinion, I know I’m over complicating things and I’m sure they will have a reason at some point, but with what we were given it’s pretty hard to believe everything worked out like that
I have a strong feeling there will definitely be time jumps (as stated by director and yourself. ) but both past , present/future. These jumps will play a big role with being ahead of 001. I think 011 will figure that out, meeting Max during different time period unlocking probably a power within Max who will be the key to all of this.
Glad Max has a bigger role now
Just please no time travel......
@@miscellaneousgoblin910 I was hoping as well. But they seem to being jumping through dreams/thoughts/memories. Which can be altered maybe to release Max's powers if we are going to go that route.
Yes! I was thinking the whole time that Max will get a power too!
@@miscellaneousgoblin910 i feel like there might have to be something time related- i doubt the writers would put so much emphasis on the fact that the upside down is stuck in 1983 unless they were going to do something with it
Yeesss I'm so happy someone thinks Max will have powers in S5. I think Will will too. I'm thinking Will could get a power upgrade to control monsters from the Upside Down like how he was possessed and Max will have the ability to traverse through memories. I don't think Max realizes she's doing this just yet and is just lost in memories atm. I would love to see more superpowered people on their team for the final showdown and I'm hoping 008 comes to help too.
@padmikcos, Max is my favorite Stranger Things character.
I wish though Vecna would have purely sadistic and evil. He is literally a demon after all and the main characters have to kill him.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Max is mine too! Tbh since S5 is the last season, I think Vecna will be a lot more brutal. I know people were mad that a main character hasn't been killed off yet but I don't think any of them are safe in this last season.
@@padmik92 I just wish Vecna was pure evil and sadistic like Voldemort
i also think will and max will have powers
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I personally like that they made him humane and not just another monster to battle… we have enough of those in ST
This finale really had an Empire Strikes Back vibe, especially with ending where the villains win and the heroes are at their weakest spot.
Luke undergoing training with Yoda similar to the whole Project Nina thing (even the scene where Eleven lifts that chamber totally parallels Luke trying to lift the X-wing).
Luke leaving the training to face Vader despite Yoda warning that he's not ready yet, just like how Eleven ran off to face Vecna despite Brenner claiming that she's not ready yet, only for Luke/Eleven to face defeat under Vader/Vecna.
It ends with Han Solo being captured by the Empire and frozen in Carbonite, kinda like how ST ends with Max in a coma.
Even their story structures are kinda similar, with the heroes being separated for the majority of the story (Luke/Eleven undergoing training while Han & Leia/the Hawkins gang are fighting the Empire/Vecna)
Funny that you said that I got a new hope vibes when the guards in the Nina project bunker were getting ready for the other soldiers braking in the door it reminded me of the tentative 4 stormtroopers vs rebels.
Actually Luke lost to Vader at empire strikes back
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Yes. That's why I wrote "face defeat under Vader/Vecna"
@@amanms1999 oh I miss read it sorry
Kinda like poetry, they rhyme
Eddie shredding Metallica in the upside down was truly epic! Nothing could be more metal!!!! #ripeddie
I was half expecting his heavy metal rock to like drive the bats haywire messing up their sonar and maybe lighting and storm in the background.
My absolute hands down favorite scene of any movie or series everrrrrrr!
That scene was Metal AF!!!!!!!!
I definitely think Max is the key to beating him. She unexpectedly got in his head. If Vecna keeps all his victims with him in his mind…. She’s still there. 011 will use that back door Max opened to get her out & defeat him.
How cool would it be if Max got the minds of all of Vecna's victims to revolt and stage a prison break?
Yeah, that is my prediction as well. Since Venca gains power by shackling his victims minds within himself, the key to weakening him will be releasing all those that he has killed. Max may very well be the key to doing this.
My thoughts exactly!
Shout out to David Harbour for staying in character at 19 minutes into the finale ripping the filter off the camel cigarette. Really enjoy the small details.
Notice that too 😉
Which part?
@@theredmocha Actually it was around 18 minutes before they grab the flamethrower he pulls out a pack of filtered cigarettes and a couple seconds later the top is on the table
I'm not a smoker but I'm curious What was the point of him doing that?
@@theredmocha Well not sure exactly but if you watch Jim Hopper he only smokes unfiltered cigarettes and even has a moment with Joyce who coughs because they are 2-3x stronger than filtered. The Camel's in Russia were only filtered so he stayed in character by ripping the filter off ;)
I was surprised that Will didnt have a bigger role in this season and wonder if his "strange " feelings could be more about Vecna - since he was the first person able to escape the upside down - it would have made sense if somehow I did love the rest of the season!
didn't the writers say Will will play a big role in season 5
@@MultiKeto Yes, I've been hearing more about that so that's exciting. Who knows maybe vicna will use Will as his host body now
I was so confused why literally 2 days after massive gaping hell holes opened in the middle of town everyone was literally just calm, did nobody like, wonder why there were massive chasms into hell in the middle of town? It just made zero sense how quickly the mood changed
Because everyone that doesn't understand the "upside down" in Hawkins only assumes it's an earthquake. They state this in the last episode.
However, I too didn't like the fact the duffer bros made a time jump of '2 days later'. Because we all seen Eddie cut the rope to the portal, so how did Dustin, Steve, Nancy, Robin get back to 'real life'? I feel like this scene was rushed.
@@gessh6872 I dont think its that much of a leap to say the gang managed to get back from the upside down, i mean theres no immediate threat to them in the upside down ad im sure they could figure out how to go back through the portal without a rope, i mean dustin did it with a chair lol
They talk about how Eleven never lost like this before, so I assume they know there's a giant crack in hawkins, but I don't think they expected it to start contaminating the normal world.
Until the scene when the portal opens I thought this finale will be epic. Then, this 2 days jump happened. I thought, Ok, I'm sure the entire US army is at hawkings by now and they trying to lock down the place and figure out what to do, everybody is in panic and running for their lives. Instead, everybody was chill and calm, slowly and peacfully preparing to leave the city, reporters are reporting meters away from the portal and besides 1-2 solder there are no sign of any significant military deployment. WHAT the actuall f**ck??? This made 0 sense to me, its completely ridiculous... This is such an incredible plothole that almost destroys the entire tension which was built up until the point when the portal opened. I just don't understand how could they think this was a good artistic choice...
Well Hawkins has no a history of monsters from season 1 to 3 so guess they're used to it now.
Really enjoyed this season. However, it's cowardly to introduce Eddie only to predictably kill him in the finale. I think it's past due for the Duffers to kill main characters. Like, why not have Dustin die in Eddie's arms? That would be daring storytelling. Or, maybe kill Steve to give Nancy some edge, or have Lucas accidentally kill Jason during the struggle for the gun. This is a horror story after all and the cast is huge.
I wish though Vecna would have purely sadistic and evil and not be complex. Given what he does is pretty evil but he thinks he's rational and justified. I don't like that they tried to make the audience sympathize and empathize with him a little bit because of all he did. And plus the main characters will have to kill him off. So I don't see the point in him being complex and sympathetic if he will eventually go down and needs to be killed?
Jason's a main character? 🤨
i wanted nancy to decide she wanted to date whats her name instead of them boys lol, or just decide to be single and maybe them boys could find "comfort" in each other
@@aknownwizard1908 its not pride month no more stfu
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 because that’s decent character design? There are times where having a mustache twirling, evil for the hell of it type villains is for the best. And personally I agree with you I think the entities that the protagonists go up against in this show should be just that. But I also like what they did. Because it’s not that you have to sympathize with him, just understand to a degree what he’s getting at and why. And his motives aren’t bad. He truly believes in what he’s doing and makes it hard to argue with those beliefs, because in a way what he’s doing is beyond what humans would ever consider rational. To him he’s a god and who is anyone to argue with what he has accomplished. All they can do is fight and in the end I don’t think anyone will be left feeling sad when he goes, maybe just like “hell yea finally”. And that’s probably what they’re going for
I think the reason the upside down is stuck in time from when Will was taken is that when Eleven opened the gate a second time in season one, she fused the two words together somehow. So when she connected with it through the void by touchingthe Demogorgan, it changed from it's original and Henry/Vecna/One molded dimension into an echo of Hawkins frozen at the moment of fusion.
Robin be like: Henry slash Vecna slash one
Lol
Yea
@@Joe-fm6my I actually laughed so hard when she said that because people were already calling him that in all the comments on the videos for part 1!
So these scene with Will and Jonathon in the Pizza place. That scene awoken something deep in me because I was bawling like a baby as Jonathon was telling him how much he'll always love and accept and be there for him. It was truly and underrated moment.
This show meets and exceeds expectations every season. I loved this season!
Season 1 was new 2 was same ol' same ol' but it had great character development and cute kids coming out age romance that's nostalgic even for adults. Season 3 was boring with the Russians. But season 4 is great thanks to new villain Henry and the backstory of El and what happened at Hawkins lab. Humans always make the most compelling villains than mindless monsters because human villains always make interesting character studies.
Season one was still the best. Lots of mystery and a slow build up of horror and an atmosphere that can’t be replicated. I still enjoy the series as a whole
Don't forget about #8, in older interviews Duffer Brothers said that storyline will come back into play before the end of the series, remember she can make people see or not see what ever she wants, like spiders crawling all over that dude with the Mohawk hand & arm
I hope not, I hated that season 2 episode
I hope so, I don't think eleven can close that giant gate on her own so getting 8 and characters from the comics involved seems necessary. Same with the army nancy mentioned
interesting if she got a sort of similar fate to classic loki from..loki or something like that. Her power is definitely unique but a lot less useful overall, and other than a good distraction i can't really see her doing all that much.
I just found that part really unnecessary, like what was the reason. It felt like they just needed to quickly fill a gap. Eleven went and left so suddenly and she’s never been mentioned since.
8 can come back… the rest can stay in Chicago.
When you said "memory in a memory", it makes me think of The Haunting of Bly Manor... Like they are still living on inside Vecna's head, tucked away in a happy place, (hopefully), ignorant to what is really going on, not wanting to remember/relive the trauma of their death.
Me too! And Hawkins is like the “gravity well” with Vecna at the center instead of Viola :•o
The thing that bothered me most was how Vecna was the main bad guy all along instead of the mind flayer. We’ve had so many human bad guys was really hoping the mind flayed would play a bigger role and be the hive mind virus type bad guy from the upside down everyone has to worry about because it gives us a villain that isn’t redeemable and an actual threat
U don't say Mr.obvious.....
well i'd argue vecna is not actually human anymore xd
Upon first watch this is still the case. This retcon only just happened and we still got to watch the first 3 seasons under the impression that it was a hive mind. Vecna isn’t really redeemable either he’s technically killed everyone you’ve seen die on screen
yeah, human imagination is very limited... to humans, more specifically to males. it would have been cooler to have a non-humanoid villain.
I don't think Crill/Vecna is redeemable, hence why he makes a great personification of the Mind Flayer.
Season 5 opens up with Dustin remembering the first day he met Eddie when everything was back to normal. Eddie bestows some metal wisdom to his new hellfire member then we cut to the big time jump future.
That would be a great opening for the fans and for the story. It’ll also give Quin the stage to show his acting chops of playing a Eddie not fully evolved or grown into… but still have him be charming and bestow wisdom
season 1 episode 1, when Joyce first goes to Hopper when Will is missing, she says Will's dad always said Will was queer. They've been foreshadowing this since the jump!
Yep! I rewatched all of it and I’m like they’ve really been telling us this whole time lol
Actor who plays Will: " What?! My Character is Gay? WTF Why didn't anyone tell me?!! "
Concerning the number 4, the fourth dimension in conventional physics is time, which was used and manipulated throughout this season. Continuing with the (assumed) pattern, the fifth dimension- the concept of a tesseract- could be a major plot element in Season 5. Tesseracts describe how space could be warped, and how one could (in theory) travel great distances while making it seem like only a few feet(or meters, inches… however you want to measure it).
where are you pulling this from bro, at least say pseudo phyics, because what your saying is not mathematically rigorous
Right on the money. This 4 portals thing is the standard sci-fi trope.
@@KungFuKeni lol
Will Definity has some big role to play in the Upside down. He obviously has a connection to it, for the connection to be cut he might die next season.
he better have a bigger role next season, they have done him so damn dirty for 2 seasons
Also just to add that there was the need to roll 20 to win D&D at the start of S4. This would be 11+8 and they would then realise they need to draw 1 out from within Vecna to make 20. The Henry Kreel at the moment he was allocated number 001 will still be in Vecna somewhere - as he says, they are all still in him. If they can use music to draw out the innocent 001 befoere he turned evil, then they reach the 20 to win!
I never thought about the dice roll, that's actually really interesting! Though the only problem is that Henry Creel was always evil, he was born that way and will die that way. But your point may still stand, there still needs to be one more person to make an impact and help take him down: Max? Will? Who knows
He was always evil. He was torturing animals and killed his whole family before becoming 001. Lol
I think that 11 and 8 will kill vecna. This makes sense. You have expanded my theory
How did Vecna transform the upside down to mirror Hawkins, even the physical things like houses, bicycles, diaries with details etc? How did he manifest tangible physical copies of everything? That's sorcery that is beyond the powers that we were shown him have. What is the true secret of the upside down, is it a reflective mirror dimension of sort? What was the mind flare before vecna took over it? It doesn't seem to have a mind of its own. What is it and what can it do apart from being puppeteerd by vecna? Where did it come from and what is it made of? Did it have a purpose, is it sentient? Is it like wate? We can manipulate water, water follows the law of physics, water gives life to many organisms BUT water does not have a mind of its own. Is the mind flare like water but to the upside down? What water is to life, the mind flare is to the upside down?
We gotta wait 3 more years and we will know but it's worth it
@@louisepreacely6161 we waited years for a season that retconned a lot about the story mythos.
There’s no point holding out for the next season, whatever magic the Duffer Bros had before, is gone.
@@fraserduffy4576 thats a lie this season was the most anticipated and highly favored
@@louisepreacely6161 it’s not a lie, they changed a bunch of stuff to accommodate Vecna into the story
I'm still confused why the upside-down even has stuff like houses, clothes, toys, etc. when it has no people, it makes no sense. 🤨 It's even less sensible than Superman's Bizarro universe having a cube for a sun because they think the opposite of a circle is a square. 🤦
Just my opinion but I think that the only person that can actually kill vecna is Eleven herself. Just like how harry was the only one who could kill Voldemort in Harry Potter. Since he’s stole some of her powers I think she will be the only one who will actually be able to kill him.
I just realized something with your post. Vecna took something from Eleven than put him at an advantage. Strikingly similar to Voldemort using Harry’s blood to revive himself so that he could gain an upper hand by overcoming the spell of his mother.
@@Khan-ts2ji yes! I think this theory is worth thinking about it really makes sense
through out all the deaths in Stranger Things Eddies death hit me the hardest and him playing master of the puppets just makes him more awesome than billy, bob and barb
Jason had the the most painful death, cut in half
@@zacharyhall365 I was satisfied to see Jason get cut in half, especially after the way he beat Lucas and got in the way of Max. But When Eddie launched into playing Master of Puppets I died Laughing. That was so great.
A couple things for me, Eddie's character had so much more story to give, that it sucks that they killed him off. Second, I found it odd that Jason had most of the town on his side to hunt the characters down but when they did find them, it was only him and his homeboy to show up.
I agree, Eddie's death felt off to me. They were trying to fulfil this story arc about not running in the face of danger but realistically, he didn't slow down the bats for long. Even the way the bats circled around him seemed stupid, they could have killed him instantly with the amount of them there was and then went straight back to the house with Vecna
The whole reason Jason had basically no one with him when he found them is because he started to go crazy because of his paranoia and fear.
@@harrisontownsend910 Maybe, but it wasn't communicated and told that way. Also, je just kinda... Died. Didn't even get what was really happening.
I thought that Eddie was the real fourth death not Max...
At first vecna had to abdorb his victims to actually kill for the gate.
Eddie was killed by Bats, not absorbed, which lets me really hope that he comes back like that betraying Vampire fighter against Vecna( the only not having no brain option in dungeons and dragons to defeat Vecna) with an e-Guitar which have some awesome super wave power...that would be great...Eddie why did you die??
13:20 Jonathan never said he didn't want to go to college. In fact he had been accepted to a community college in CA near his family. He just didn't want to go to the same college as Nancy because it would be away from his family that he is used to supporting. He assumed if he told Nancy that she would move out to CA to be with him and not attend college.
It's a pretty misguided belief that Nancy would suddenly give it all up for Jonathan and Nancy wouldn't just attend another college in CA but maybe Jonathan has been smoking too much pot to think straight.
10:44 do y’all not remember season 3 when mike said to will “it’s not my fault you don’t like girls” 😭😭😭 they’ve been foreshadowing this
vecna (seasons 1-3): *relying on eleven to open the gates*
eleven: *once opened, immediately closing them*
vecna (season 4): “oh my lord child, fine. i’ll do it myself.”
Lollllllll
RIP Eddie 💀💀
he’s probably resting peacefully in Valhalla
I was crying when Eddie died
why are you using the skeleton emoji
I knew it was coming and I still am so big mad about it. Like 😭
@@boobiegaming cuz thats how he looks now
I like how badass hopper look in the end of the fight but was it even helpful to the main group.
I'm saying yes, but maybe not the best job showing how. The arena fight and torching of the demogorgons was juxtaposed with Nancy and Robin shooting and burning Vecna. There was a moment after a Demogorgon was hurt when Vecna looked like he was feeling pain, but it's hard to tell because he was on fire and taking buckshot, too.
I guess the argument would be a less distracted Vecna may have been able to overpower his direct assailants. Sort of a cost for having the hive mind.
I thought it helped nance, steve and robin bc right after they burnt them in russia, the tentacles dropped them
@@limkahyee4026yes that too.
when hopper and group burned the demodogs, it hurt the vines too which freed Steve Nancy and Robin cuz everything has a hive mind
I think he targets teenagers because they’re more emotional unstable.
@Karate Chicken I wish though Vecna would be purely sadistic and evil and not be complex. Given what he does is pretty evil but he thinks he's rational and justified. I don't like that they tried to make the audience sympathize and empathize with him a little bit because of all he did. And plus the main characters will have to kill him off. So I don't see the point in him being complex and sympathetic if he will eventually go down and needs to be killed?
It's because kids are easy pickings. And maybe tastier like veal?
They need to track down #8/Kali. They're gonna need all the help they can get. She might might not have telekinesis, but her illusory powers are definitely a kind of mind control. She might be helpful.
I want kali back
11:18 if vecna made all those monsters, and he can control them, then that means that will can be controled by him and he WAS controled by him. When the shadow monster started controlling him
and i have another theory
if vecna made those things that means the upside down isn't frozen, it's just that when you make a thing, that thing never changes (if you don't change it) and vecna made the upside down when will dissappeared, and when will dissapeared it was all how we can see in this minute: 2:00 . So does that mean that the upside down is another realm completly different of how we think?
How did he get nancy's diary if he made all of that tho 🧐
3 out of 4 victims completely died. Max was the only “survivor” ig u can say. So with 11 not being able to find her, i think that means that max is either still “asleep” or in the dimension that vecna was initially in (black and gold realm)
Or she's half dead. Technically she died but El brought her back but her soul is still lost somewhere.
What about that molly or holly girl in the pool? Am I buggin or was she left out? I could have missed it.
@@LisaLeeLeeBlue ?
@@itzsinsss5751 did the narrator include the molly or holly girl that vecna k*lled in the pool in the 4? Or is that an extra one?
@@LisaLeeLeeBlue The only girl that died in a pool was in season 1, before he even started this plan of creating his own portals, or even had the power to...
Eddie was one of the best characters of the entire show. I can't believe they killed him off. 😢
He might come back like Hopper. You don't really die in the upside down. It's like an alternate reality thing.
@@jonfreeman9682 don’t DIE in the upside down😂😂😂? Bro you smoking crack. Barbra died in the upside down, Will was clinically dead in until they barely saved him from the upside down, hundreds of scientists that were dragged into the upside down and killed, the demogorgans themselves have been killed in the upside down😂😂 when your gone your gone. And why you bringing up hopper? He was saved from Russia not the upside down, he never died😂🤦♂️
How are y’all so attached to Eddie?? He was only there a season!! Let’s talk about our dead max!
@@akomfamilymax ain’t dead they paid her actor 7 mil
She ain’t going to lie in a hospital bed for the season
Max entering Vecna’s mind reminded of a scene from Dr Who: The Girl in the Fireplace. When the Doctor is exploring the Lady’s mind, she starts talking about his childhood. When he asks how she is able to do that, she essentially says he opened a door through which she chose to cross.
3 theories of mine: 1. The gang, after a couple years,figure out beating vecna and the mind flayer is practically impossible and they come up with an idea of going back in time and reversing the first showdown with Henry(vecna). Everyone comes back to present day like nothing happened. But the twist is,with that, they have no memory of 11. And 11 has no memory of them. Second theory, same thing,2 years ahead, they're trying different things, and realize will can tell where he is. The group figures out to defeat the mind flayer,they have to defeat vecna in human form. They plan an all out brawl and during that max wakes up, which closes a gate. The gang realizes this and they head back to the upside down,revive the others and close the gates. After that they kill vecna in human form. Still having the mind flayer to deal with. 11 tells them she can control it and send it back but she will have to go with it and close the gates for good. She does,and stays in the upside down to watch over the darkness. 3. Same as last two,2 years later, vecna and mind flayer reek havok on Hawkins. The gang comes up with a plan to get the mind flayer back to the upside down. But first the mind flayer kills vecna and starts to run wild. 11 goes beast mode. And send the mind flayer back and seals up Hawkins. When that happens, 11 gets too weak and dies,while saving Hawkins.
Hahahaha thank god you're not in charge of the script. Wtf is this Avengers endgame ?
@@Doomsday604 lol true. Just saying they're already brought back max from the dead,somewhat like avengers. Vecna had his own weird ass view on life,kinda like Thanos,right? So yeah, it reminds me of endgame. Lol but the ending,will be a bit darker.
Eddie was such an well-written character and even at the age of 29, I cried when he died.
this channel has the best recaps. literally about 5 things i missed were covered in here. you're awesome whoever runs this channel
Oh my god, I cheered so hard when Eleven said she liked the pineapples on the Pizza!
It was silly because Hawaiian pizzas have been around for decades (since 1962), so they'd been a thing for a long time by 1986, but they didn't become a meme to pretend to (or actually 🤦) fight about until relatively recently (~2010s). So the show forcing this meme-ish scene was silly and breaks immersion when they usually go out of their way to try to stay true to the timeline (except when they screw up like Suzie talking about IP addresses two years before IANA was founded).
They had that in the 80s but it's not that new. Been around awhile but maybe it was new in America.
now i wish eleven dies in season 5
@@I.____.....__...__ things sometime become memes because they're well known and have been going on for long periods of time. We definitely had memes in the 80s before the internet, and even if they weren't memes, they were rooted in existing shared cultural patterns.
@@I.____.....__...__ they snuck in some 90s easter eggs with Suzie, didn't you catch her "Hold on to your butts" computer moment from Jurassic Park?
I don’t think we will have a very happy ending for Eleven next season. I have a feeling she’s gonna have to die and have always felt that way because of the nosebleeds they get when using their powers. This has always spelled doom in one way or another in my opinion, maybe it destroys their brain when they use it more and she has definitely used it more lately
I mean if any of the project's children are alive, then a portal could open again. In order to end the show, the UD has to be finally closed off for good.
I really loved Will's speech, it all but stated that Will might be gay and in love with Mike. Noah performed it brilliantly, and I hope that it gets addressed in Season 5.
. Nah I hope they don't. I like more that he isn't overtly gay. This show is how every show should treat gay characters.
I hope they don't
I think it’s fine if people see it that way but even the actors of stranger things don’t see it that way so I doubt the directors will go down the route. Noah himself clarified that it’s fine if people see it that way, but that’s not his intention or the writers. It’s about Will who grew up too fast and feels like his friends had slipped away from him. He misses Mike who used to be so close with him and now only pays attention to eleven
I think will isn’t gay, I just think he’s very broken
@@Chris-rg6nm funny cuz a lot of people on the show are “overtly straight”. So now this “overtly” bothers you cuz it’s a gay thing?
In the very first episode of season 1 Joyce tells Hopper in his office that people think Will is gay. Hopper says “is he?” And Joyce says “he’s sensitive.” So they’ve hinted at it from the beginning. Love the writing and character development in this show, it’s amazing.
I was hoping they go down the Cthulu route. Something bigger than Eleven and Vecna watching them.
They're too obsessed with King to go Lovecraft. Maybe someone else can do some Lovecraft and/or Barker stuff.
The Mind Flayer kind of serves that role...I don't think we are done with him yet.
I want that too something completely unimaginable and cosmic thats bigger than all of them. Something you can't even understand, vecna being the final boss is boring
@@opuimor i agree. Maybe is not a boring solution, but very simple.
@@opuimorI mean they never actually killed the mindflayer
Seeing them put in 3,5 hours on the last episdoes and making them so good.
Just really made me hurt for how they treated Game of Thrones
Game of Thrones. The coffee cup. But here we are in the 2020's and I have that exact same shirt Steve was wearing in the last 10 minutes of episode 9. Same Blue material, same exact buttons. Bought it 2 years ago. I also have the same exact Black Wrangler pants Mike was wearing. Got them in 1987 and still have them.
Will is like Harry Potter, he can feel what Vecna feels like how Harry can feel how Voldemort feels like
What's so confusing is that in season 2, Max was acting a little rude to Dustin during a scene at school, and Dustin said "One day, you'll say "I'm sorry for being so mean to you in 8th grade". What do you mean "8th grade"? You are like 12 years old! And in season 4, Lucas said "We came to high school wanting things to be different" but you couldn't have just come to high school this year if you were almost already there like 7 years ago? High school is grades 9, 10, 11, and 12! Did they all get held back another year or something?
I think the Hawkins crew is going to evacuate to Indianapolis. This was mentioned in the last episode and I just don't think El has the firepower to deal with Vecna and his army head on.
But they'll come back to Hawkins for the final battle.
They should bring the other kids with powers and 008 to fight along with eleven and the Hawkins crew
I was thinking that if Max will return/wake up in her coma, maybe, the four gates will close. But for that to happen, Eleven needs to get inside of Henry's mind so that she can find all the people that Henry had killed including Max maybe even if he was just halfway into killing Max because Eleven stopped him. If Maxine will return, she will be blind.
thank you for not doing a big recap with questions at the end but just asking the questions I been dyin for an explanation for
I was really enjoying this season. I even got super emotional which is uncharacteristic for me. That being said it really was a bad idea to split this season in two parts. I feel it really hurt the emotional impact the show would have had on me overall. I still enjoyed it very much . But I hope netflix doesn't do this again for season 5 .
It helped a lot with hype and marketing. Prevented people from just binge-watching the entire show in one night and never talking about it again. They're going to 100% do it again.
I didn’t bother me honestly but I could see how others might feel that way
What's the big deal with the extended part 2. They couldn't pack everything into an hour episode so that's great we got 4 hours of entertainment in the last two episodes to tell a complete story with great character moments.
It honestly helps with spoilers and they got to release it earlier I don't why people are so mad over it
I think it was due to Covid messing up things early on. Instead of holding off the entire season, they got the first ones out for VOL 1 while they finished up and gave us the last 2
this show makes me so emotional. The POWER of these stories. steven king type stories. with a group of kids. the mind of a kid, just having fun in a basement and playing games. in season 3 the killer end line from the letter: "i don't want things to change" and we see will cry and them driving away. I have this huge place in my heart for that time in our life. that age. and seeing it in this show, it is kind of hard seeing the kids grow up. and things changing and changing and there is never enough TIME.
That was very selfless of Will putting Mike and El before himself. I still can’t help feel sad for him and he needs someone to be there for him more than ever. He’s obviously not ready to be totally open about his feelings toward Mike yet. Some are very honest with how they feel and some are just too scared to be honest. The thing about feelings is that they change, that’s what makes them so interesting and painful, but you can’t deny that you feel feelings because then you’ll just end up feeling worse.
Why would he tell mike he has a crush on him? Mike isnt gay and is with el. What would be the point?
The only single thing I had a problem with in the final episode was that everyone calls it an earthquake even though I have a hard time believing that not a single person saw the giant rift in the ground or took a picture of it. I mean with all the people there, it just doesn't make sense. Also, wouldn't there still be giant Valleys in the ground from where the rift originally was? Besides that one thing, I loved everything else about the season. Great job!
I think the whole no pictures thing has to do with people getting evaporated if they were too close to the rift + it’s the 1980s so most people just didn’t carry cameras around like we can today
@@liatheprincess1186 You got it right. It was hard to even make a decent video back then. VHS or Beta was your choice. But still, there is a giant rift in the ground. Now there are giant valleys. I guess that's why everyone is leaving town ASAP
I don't think it's Max who might have a power I think it's will. I feel like Henry becoming vecna and seeing the particles and making the mind flayer in the form of a jacked up spider was him using his ability to give the mind flayer a physical form that he'd never had an idea to do before because everything there was chaos and fire, when will first gets sucked into the upside down I think it's the exact same thing I don't think it's an accident that not only is it stuck in time but the upside down he's always wet and dark and covered in vines and trees the exact same way will was running away on his bike that night fleeing from some monster in the woods in a dark and stormy night ... The upside down looks like a child's nightmare version of a forest which is exactly where will was and we know that he has true sight and we know that his imagination and creativity are massive, see whether purposefully or not I think well at least once so far has had a major influence on the upside down and what it looks like . I also think that will saw something horrible the same way Nancy did premonition of the future or a threat of what the future would be only made this different or more fleshed out and is so much worse than what Nancy was showing that he couldn't bring himself to tell anyone about it Nancy saw a quick glimpse of doctor's mind will was trapped with him and that connection clearly still exists I don't think that would be the case if will had no powers. So I think it's possible that will has been sitting on the knowledge of eventual apocalypse this whole time and maybe he knows that see your mic or letting in not gonna make it in the end and that's why he looks so sad and longing.
I think it is pretty likely Max's mind is somewhere I also think that well the 4th portal was opened at Max's death whatever 11 did to at least partially bring her back may have put a pin in things and slowed it down somewhat or maybe even paused it so that all of Hawkins is partially in the upside down now. If that's the case I think good chunk of season five is going to be dedicated to a race with there were heroes trying to get Max's soul or mind back to her body to potentially undo the opening of the 4th gate so it's a sacrifice would no longer really be a sacrifice or the whole time vecna he's searching for either her body or her soldier mind if she's able to hide from him so he can finish killing her completing the sacrifice so I think saving Max is going to be a huge linchpin. Gonna century whoever can get to her first is going to have the upper hand assuming exactly I can't or won't go after a different 4th victim and I know everyone keeps saying Max was the only other potential victim but he did What happens if we do the same thing to Nancy he shuddered thoughts haunting her about barbs death and not being there when she should because she was busy having boinked time with Steve, so I can very easily see Nancy was doing his target in lieu of Max if need be.
2:23 It could be the Upside Down thousands of years ago. Maybe in it's infancy. Like a line Dustin said about knowing how long the upside down has been around. And Henry could have spent thousands of years there, corrupting the already hazardous realm. And for some reason recreating Hawkins. I think it's unlikely that he built Hawkins in there though. I think that has to do with Will.
the show’s longtime production designer Chris Trujillo said in an Interview: "The moment that the Upside Down was quote-unquote “created” inadvertently by Eleven, the set dressing and the world of the Upside Down is frozen in that moment. So like when we’re in Nancy’s room, we’ll discover in the Upside Down that Nancy’s room is as it was season 1 when we first were introduced to it."
So the Hawkins version of the Upsidedown was accidentally created by Eleven when she opened the maingate. That makes more sense than Vecna doing it because he hates the artificial human world. He wouldn't want to recreate it. He wants to take it over and mold it into what he wants.
I laughed when Jason died it was so quick and sweet 😂
Painful 😣😒😒😒
Since The Duffer Brothers already introduced the Soviets in seasons 3 & 4, I think it would be cool if they tied Chernobyl into the plot somehow
Ohhhh. Interesting....
I'm guessing you didn't catch the metaphore for same sex attraction with Vickie making two peanut butter sandwhich halves.
Yes that's hilarious and comedy gold. Rewatched that funny conversation a few times as it's so sweet and you don't know where it's going to go from there. Maybe this new band girl swings both ways and likes to play both sides. 😉😙😘😍
Yes! Oh wow I did not even notice that. I felt that Vickie was nervous around Robin because the feelings are reciprocal and it seemed alluded to with how she over explained her ex boyfriend. Guess we’ll just have to see!
Damn season 4 is the best season of the entire show and damn Eddie's death was just brutal and hits hard💔🤧
But the absolute best bit was the Lucas and Max conversation about Miss Kelly. They set that up so well to have made everyone think she was more important than she was only have literally then tell the audience to stop thinking about her. Great 4th wall moment to let us all know we fell for their misdirection. That was very clever.
the guy who plays Vecna & Henry is an excellent actor this was no doubt my favorite season 🎬
That Mike scene with all the madness in background broke me! What a freaking finale 🥲
I still can't believe Eddie went back for those darned bats...him stalling the swarm was arguably pointless, which makes his death even more annoying 😩
It wasn't pointless though, did you see how f*ckin' many got in? And they were coming straight for the gate, they would've flown right through, ripped both him and Dustin to shreds, and then feasted on as many poor saps as they could find in Hawkins. Eddie's death saved Dustin and probably a lot of other innocent people
Character development in this show was beyond great like I can’t explain but emotionally how thes characters grow and what happened make the show more emotional
Best finale of a show ever and it’s not even the series finale Henry is still alive barely but still living just licking his wounds getting ready for all hell to break loose and let that giant mind flayer creature out of the giant gaping hole in the middle of Hawkins Rip Eddie hopefully Max gets her sight back and wakes up from her coma to watch that movie w Lucas they planned out Season 5 is going to be bat shit crazy if half of what Nancy described happens jus imagine Hawkins swarming with demobats and demodogs demogorgons every demo in the book freaking epic
They need to keep Henry alive to sustain anther season. Henry is like Darth Vader so without him then next season there's nothing left to tell. It's tough coming up with new villains.
@@jonfreeman9682 yeah true
The funny thing is so many people are all about Byler (news flash that's gonna happen its not written to be a thing) but the way you did the opening is actually how I think its going to play out in Season 5. I think Will is more afraid of coming out to his friends because he's afraid it'll change their relationship ship and they'll reject him. I don't think the scene on the van was him hiding romatic feelings but just hiding his feelings in total. He wants to tell Mike he wants him to know who he really is but he's afraid to. But I guarantee when he finally does tell them, Mike and the others will be like yeah we know, we've always known, and it doesn't matter. It'll literally be a no big deal to them moment because he's their friend no matter what and that will really make Will happy to know his friends accept him and he didn't need to be afraid at all.
Vecna created Tge Upside Down as he wanted it, he never wanted Hawkins - Will did, when Will bounced over, it created the mirror of Hawkins off WILL'S desires. Now whether that was a concious change by the realm or it bouncing off Vecna's mind and THEN being shaped (we know Will doesn't have powers, but thatay not matter to shape the world).
Wow, that's a good one. 🤯
12:57 I’ve already got this part figured out. Steve still loves Nancy in season 4, but at the end Jonathan and Nancy are still together. The reason Steve told her about his dream of being married to Her with their 6 kids, at the end of season 4, is because he is going to die saving her in season 5. It will make his death make sense if he sacrifices himself later in the show along with making the moment more tragic sense he’s a big character in the show. Not to mention his side kick Robin has finally approached her crush. So Robin and her crush will be a team in the series finale. It kind of leaves Steve being the odd man out.
I agree this was the best season and the last two episodes were amazing! And yes The Talisman is about another realm but it's more like a fantasy world than the upside down. Also i had no idea the Duffers are making it into a series that's awesome!
King is overexposed. I wish Barker's works would get some more attention. They didn't even make volume two of _The Great and Secret Show_ graphic novel. 😕
@@I.____.....__...__ oh I absolutely one hundred percent agree with you about Barker, his books are excellent. I didn't even know there was a graphic novel of TGASS but I liked the book, actually it was the first one of his books I ever read bit that sucks it only got one volume. Unfortunately only Hellraiser was adapted and the only other movie of his I recall is Lord of Illusions.
Though I wasn’t really a fan of season 2’s arc with Kali/Eight, it could be worth noting that Eight’s storyline is unresolved and that she may well be coming back in the season 5 finale. Maybe Eleven and Eight have to fight together in order to defeat Henry/001/Vecna.
It also seems that Will is tied into the mind flayer in ways that have yet to be revealed.
I do think I have a theory about why max was able to travel into vecna's mind.
though vecna's kills may seem diverse, I did notice a type of trend all his kills shared. he seems to prefer to trap his victims in either an enclosed environment or an environment that would be hard for the victim to escape from vecna. take the lake, the trailer, and the creel house. and if you count his attempted murders we can also add Chrissy's house and the school. (and before you ask about Fred, he was a bit more emotional manipulable. so vecna didn't really worry about him even though he was in an open environment because vecna's tricks just worked better for someone like Fred.)
what I'm trying to say is that I believe within every world created when vecna tries to kill someone, there is a type of hole that leads into his mind. this is why vecna chooses enclosed spaces or environments that would be difficult for the victim to run easily because
A, it's a more effective and easy way to kill people
and B, it insures that they don't stray too far and end up in his mind.
this is part of the reason why, whenever he barricades doors in enclosed places, he's insuring they don't get away and wander off.
this could also explain why vecna was surprised Max got so far as up to that point he really didn't have to deal with a victim wandering off to his mind. this could also mean that vecna underestimated max and thought she'd be as manipulable as Fred. both do share similar trauma and remember that vecna (presumably) only sees the bad in people (though it could be up for debate if he can know what they're capable of.
this is all a theory and I'll admit, I might be underplaying vecna's intellect a tad bit here.
but what do you think?
fred was trapped in a grave if you recall, dont think it gets much more enclosed than that lol
@@KungFuKeni I was mostly referring how he died in the forest/on the road. If max was killed in the same area it could've ended similarly to the time vecna tried killing max in the grave yard.
But Fred being killed in a grave does further my point on how vecna prefers to kill.
So if Hawkins was frozen the moment in time that the gate to the Upside Down was opened, how was Will able to interact with the Christmas lights and letters Joyce painted on the wall in season 1?
I was so sad when Eddie died and when I saw max arms begin to brake I had goosebumps.
My heart says its time for some time travel in stranger things
Guys remember in the end of Season 1 when the kids play DnD, and arguing that the campain was nonsense ? They mentioned a knight, a princess, and a cave with mysterious flowers. Well, what if Hopper is the knight, Joyce the princess, the cave is the library and the flowers are vecna's nerves spreaded accross the upside down version of Hawkins ? That would explain why the center of the giant Gate is located at the library. Something in Season 1 must have happened when will was stick in that place and connected to the plants. Since Will Can still feel the stranger things happening about the upside down, he is probably connected somehow. This season brought many psychologic elements, so I believe that vecna set 1983 to upside down's Hawkins clock based on Will's trauma about being kidnapped and all the stuff he endured during season 1. That would give us another piggyback arc in Season 5, about the Gang heading to the library to destroy whatever is causing this mess since the beggining.
Bro u r genius 😃
Eddie’s scene where he performs for the crazy bats was insane he deserved more
I hope Eddie will comeback for season 5, I know it might sound delusional but - I wish and hope that Eddie actually survived and they have to fake his death to prevent him from getting captured and that he will redeem himself and clear his name in the next season. I feel like his death was so unnecessary? Idk I just wish he will comeback for season 5.
I agree with you on that one
Bro let him rest though I do feel like he should come back in a Dustin flashback
*Max is currently in Vecna's mind, probably running around terrified in an endless loop from Billy.*
- In short, each of the 4 victims is in their own version of Hell, in Vecna's mind.
If 11 can put Max back in her own body, the emotional trauma of being tormented by Vecna for days, weeks, or months, will make Max go insane.
Then, she has to deal with the physical trauma of having all her limbs broken and then blindness. If Max can overcome all that and Lucas is with her the whole time. -bruh. the feels.
However, the better option for Max, is to not to go back to her body, but take over Vecna's mind and body. Using the mindflayer's power , she can create a new body. -It may not be human anymore, but it doesn't have to be evil. Max could shape the Upside Down into something for good.
I think Will built Hawkins in the Upside Down when he arrived. That would be why it is frozen in time on the day he entered it.
I think Vecna's mind fills in the landscape when he stalks someone in the normal world, like a game map adding in buildings and roads when you enter that section.
Remember, although Will was taken from his house... he was at the Wheeler house playing D&D and as he left that house, the porch lights started glitching.... Vecna projected himself _there_ , he is the shadowy figure that appeared on the road, just like he was the shadowy figure in johnathan's photo of Barb at the Harrington house.
The upside down copy of Eddies' trailer is only a few days old... it's from when Chrissy was killed, not the night Will was taken.
@@jimbobeireI thought the lights flickering were Nancy, Robin, Steve & Eddie communicating through morse
@@fatdinosaurfood8059 and another time it was Will communicating with Joyce.
Here's my theory-
Max is completely unconscious for the most of Season 5. At the end of Season 5, there's a time jump, but before the time jump, the gang beats Vecna- and finally, Max wakes up and regains herself, her conscience and personality, everything. Since time can heal our body, her bones are back in place and she'll be able to live as she was before. There's a time jump, and it shows Max in her 40s/50s living a normal life with Lucas and a scene where they meet up with Will and _______(I HOPE LOLL), Dustin and Suzie, and Eleven and Mike as all as couples. They go to visit the graves of the older part of the group, aka Steve, Robin, Nancy, Eddie, Jonathan, Joyce, Steve, etc. The couples lean on each other and the sky fades to a black and flashes red lightning. The screen fades, and it cuts to the credits. And there we have it- the end of Stranger Things.
This is just a theory though. :)
If the rest of the party doesn't get abilities they're not gonna make it.
The brilliant Bernard Cribbons at 0:10 who sadly died this week, RIP ❤️❤️
Uggggg why you do this to mee
RIP my TV Grandpaw Mott
I really love this season. Very amazing storyline and keeping the pieces fitting. No doubt they worked hard on bringing it all together. ❤
The blows to Vecna in the creel house could have weakened him, the same way Eleven lost her powers at the end of season 3. With that he could lose control of the mind flayer and all associated hive entities, leaving someone to take his place, maybe Eleven or even Will. I'm worried for Hawkins as a whole. Surely the military will nuke the joint into orbit at the end of season 5.
Vecna is trying to control the Flayer and merge with it to transcend his humanity. The issue is the Flayer is too powerful and it'll probably find a way to get rid of Henry instead. he won't be able to control the Flayer like Brenner couldn't control him. Max will come back after Vecna dies.
That's his weirdo plan. He wants to harness the power of the dark side like Senator Palpatine to become the Sith Lord. Same thing with Henry. Also Thanos did the same thing by commanding legions of demons and monsters to fight the Avengers. This has been done too many times. Nothing original here.
The point is Vecna IS the Mind Flayer. I don't think the Flayer will kill him at all. If anything, I've more reason to believe it will be Eleven that finishes the job.
Vecna is NOT the Mind Flayer. He shaped the shadow clouds into the form we know now, but it existed before Henry appeared in its world. He looked at it and thought that it held the key to transcend his human form. He knew it's power is beyond his, but he wants that power for himself. HE wants to be the predator, the only way to do that is to consume the Flayer's essence and take it's power. I just think he will fail to control it like Brenner failed to control 001.
We Know Vecna draws on his Anger and Sadness as the source of his power. I think Max will play a key role in weakening vecna by making him vulnerable through hacking his mind and exposing him to her own raw positive emotions while she dwells in his mind, perhaps in a vital moment allowing eleven to defeat him for good. They may even force him to realize the error in his ways, perhaps driving him to closing the gates himself.
I really want to know how they will bring 8 back into this story because she could possibly play a major roles especially in the dreams since she can create illusions. Another thing that I am curious about as well is how did she escape Hawkins lab when Henry destroyed it.
Bring back Kali , iv been waiting
001 says “back when 008 was still here” when bringing up Terry’s visit while trying to convince her that Brenner lies
Poor Will.....he could be the nucleus of the entire shows equilibrium and they still gave him that haircut.
I think Vecna will bring back Eddie just like El did with max, I think he will be a footsoldier/spy for him next season.
Well i think they would notice if Eddie returned as a rotten corpse so he wouldn't be a very good spy would he