Can't wait to see blizzard releasing a book telling how Saurfang finds some allies in a murlock monastery and also becomes best pals with some random human. Then, after the siege of the banshee queen, Vol'jin appears and says to Saurfang: "If ya' lead, I'll follow, mon" and Saurfang dies 2 expansions later
Shirraz87 i mean it takes a lot of squinting to realise that this is Horde and not some murlocks or kobold bathing in a sewage. Smell can give them away though... even near sewer pipe.
Horde Warchief suddenly going batshit crazy and nuking an Alliance city? (Theramore/Teldrassil) Check. The 2 factions have a naval war and begin fighting on a new island for rich resources? (Pandaria/Kul Tiras & Zandalar) Check. Fighting over a mystical artifact? (Divine Bell/Abyssal Scepter) Check. A 3rd party jumping in to be a big bad in the second patch? (Thunder King/Azshara) Check. OG Horde Leader going against the Warchief in open rebellion? (ZulJin/ Varok) Check. An Old God's influence being the real baddie at the end of the expansion? (YShaarj/NZoth) Check. How exactly is this not the same fucking story retold? I liked MoP. I really didn't want to play it again...
hmm I think Sylvansis is more acting like Arthas, where Garrosh hate the alliance for get go. this may get thrall back to consider lead the horde. plus anduin wrynn isn't the really evil
@@bartonhavens9781 Sylvanas has the blade of the black empire in 8.2. A blade we emptied of an old god in 8.1. Azshara serves N'zoth. N'zoth is an old god that will probably wake up in 8.2. My guess is that Sylvanas will imprison said old god in said blade at the end of the raid. This will cause everyone to turn against her out paranoia. Eventually Anduin will capture her and confiscate the blade. Then Anduin will go full Arthas on everyone because, unlike Sylvanas, he can't handle N'zoth's whispers. Thus he becomes the final boss.
Biggest Problem is people will be mad if Sylvanus dies. People will be pissed if she survives. People will be mad if she is redeemed. Blizzard has already upset people so just more.
Horde players have different views on how the Horde should be, so a story like this is bound to divide the player base. People were already split regarding Garrosh, but he wasn't as popular as Thrall or Sylvanas. Sylvanas on the other hand has a huge fan base, who don't want to lose their waifu queen, no matter what she does. Others support her tactics for the same reason they supported Garrosh. They want war in Warcraft and believe this war can only be won through ruthless, but effective methods. The Saurfang supporters, which I myself belong in, believe in Thrall's vision of the Horde, and don't want to be the bad guys. There's also the debate about which is more honorable: morality in war, or loyalty to the warchief. Then there are the Alliance players who have wanted to get rid of Sylvanas for years. There's no way everyone will be satisfied with the conclusion. I may not agree with the current direction of the Horde, but I'm still curious to see how the story will play out.
Of course people gonna be mad if blizz pulls some bullshit and turns her into a villain in the 2 remaining patches. Nobody is going to be truly mad if she survives.
So much of this could have been avoided if we either A) dragged Saurfang with us when he was in that cell or B) Actually just stopped by to talk to him and ask what his intentions were after escaping out of prison instead of going "ah, he must be a traitor, even though all he's really done is not come running back to the Warchief that made him be complicit in war crimes and left him to die twice." Like all he's doing is chilling in the swamp, he's not exactly being caught red handed conspiring with Anduin to kill Sylvanas, here. I'm also so sad the datamined third option didn't make it in. "Sometimes it's good to let others take care of things."
MegaChickenfish ummmm... he is a traitor tho. That’s not an opinion, just a fact. Just because he has a good reason doesn’t make it not treason. All traitors have a good reason, it’s such a hard thing to do that they must. His intention is clearly to depose Sylvanas. He doesn’t need to be conspiring to kill her, only to become Warchief himself. Also, did you even watch the video? The guardsmen said that Shaw came and brought them drinks. The only reason Shaw would do that would be to deliberately let Saurfang escape. He would only do that on orders from Anduin. Remember, when Matthias Shaw was a child Sylvanas was a member of the Alliance. Don’t think she wouldn’t know that. Would you have tried to drag Varok Saurfang out of his cell? The Saurfangs aren’t famous for their kindness you know.
Holy crap. I was thinking that he hadn't uploaded much recently, but it seems I've just missed so much because I've been so preoccupied with my schooling. TT_TT
I just did this quest a couple of hours ago on my Orc.. had way too much fun running around as a little girl saying hi to all the ally players in my gruff "murder you" Orc voice. They should put the potion back as a toy!
I quite like the Dark Rangers methods, instead of capturing and torturing the humans she decides to use a disguise and get the info out of them the nice way.
Sir Nobble please show mercy, only so many 30 minute+ videos in a week we can manage! Also there was a crock in Stormwind Cannals... at least up till BC, switched to Horde for WOTLK so not sure past that.
You want to know how Saurfang really escaped? he walked out because no one was going to stop him and took the sewer as a courtesy for not getting in his way.
I use to side with Sylvannys because she was getting things done... I want her to run but at the same time, I realize she's becoming Arthas and is also suicidal. As is Nathanos. I want to grant her true death but want her results, too. Tough decisions.
@@MrVlad12340 Azeroth as is isn't exactly worth saving. A bunch of dumbasses stuck in old grudges that go right back to killing eachother as if we haven't fought death itself (Arthas and the scourge), another form of death itself (Deathwing) and hell itself TWICE (The Legion).
@@MrVlad12340 because for some reason, letting all the racists in an arena to fight it out once and for all so everyone can move on is impossible even with ALL the arena settings in Azeroth.
A lot of Sylvanas's fans are in that same boat. She's kinda become the only relevant character in the lore at this point and I think people need to appreciate that about her as a character.
Sylvanas said that she only trusts the player with the task of finding saurfang but I think she was just testing to see how loyal the player is, there's way more loyal people that she could have given the task to and yet she gave to to a morally grey stranger.
I'm actually really annoyed as when I did this, I chose to be loyal to Sylvanas as my main is an Undead Deathknight. BUT NOTHING HAPPENED. I didn't get the box or anything, it literally just closed the window so I had no idea until now that this was the fucking choice! I was forced to do the quest because I thought it was just a dialog text not actually the choice. Only reason I watched this video now is because I have done it so no spoilers. And apparently as I have read on the forums the GMs etc are telling everyone that "There's nothing we can do"
Am I seriously the only one who noticed this? Anyone else remember Firefly? Remember what the rebels in the war were called? Browncloaks. Well played Blizz, well played.
I chose to support Saurfang in this quest (no surprise there). Honor may mean nothing to a corpse, but loyalty means nothing to a paladin, if the warchief is turning the Horde into the new Scourge. But this is just my main and most of my alts. I plan to do this quest again on my Forsaken warlock, and have him reject Zekhan. He is loyal to Sylvanas, but expects power in return.
When Blizzard scraps this Expansion as a means of making any remaining players buy the followup, five bucks says they go digging into the trunk of dead characters to revive to get players interested rather than expanding upon the characters they already have, ignore the existence of Wrathion and Alliance assets, have the Horde's atrocities have zero consequences for the Horde beyond the removal of one of their named characters (Sylvanas probably fucks off with her boy-toy wearing his cousins skin), and High Elves and Ogres remain non-playable races.
To me it seems that if Horde continues to get divided again and again, even going as far back as original Orcish Horde, after some time they will run out of the so called "honor", because all of the old guard will be gone either due to age or just because of internal and external wars.
I think the bat in the beginning didn't want you to talk because it kept making noises when you were talking. Love the joke voices LOL. Nobbel, your a goober :P
Great video. I loved how Zappyboi is like, "did you see all them sparks I be throwing?" So did it offer you a choice? I didn't get any choice options maybe that comes later. For the dark lady!
No... No it's not believable that he has made it out of stormwind undetected. Anduin would've been the ONLY ONE that could walk Saurfang out and keep everyone quiet. Just like he relieved SI:7. He told Saurfang the way out and probably sent Greymane ahead of him to tell him where to go and make sure nobody knows he was out. Saurfang's big ass would've attracted too much attention. Anduin enacted a curfew and walked him out.
I recall reading / hearing somewhere that SI:7 actually assisted in the escape and probably directed traffic away too. Outside of the sewer not really having population.
Wait a minute. Am I missing something here? According to that troll, you were never supposed to know what happened after the Dark Ranger found Saurfang. If Sylvanas commented on your bruise that was inflicted on you in the fight with Saurfang, how come she never mentions that you joining the fight was against her orders? Weren't the Dark Ranger's instructions supposed to be from Sylvanas herself? Only five ways I can rationalise this. 1. The Dark Ranger herself was disobeying orders. 2. More Bad Blizzard Writing. 3. Sylvanas knew you would side with Saurfang and made a goof in her sentence and accidentally revealed that she knew you would. Edit: 4. Sylvanas is uncharacteristically stupid, no matter what standards you've set for her, and she just didn't notice. Or 5 which is least likely of all. The whole mission was a test devised by both Saurfang and Sylvanas in secret to study your characteristics and loyalties. With the current direction the game is going, this last one is not likely.
well, when you give in the quest she mentions that there's no word from the dark rangers thus she asks if you're aware of what has happened over there and you tell her about the demise of the elite forces and you being the only survivor so yeah, it's neither like you were personally tasked by the Warchief to capture the High Overlord nor it's outright disobeying her orders, it's more like 'so, where's the team? you're all that is left, champion? wtf?'
That still doesn't answer anything and the plothole still stands. But it just makes way for a new plothole. Why would she question that you were the only survivor is you were supposed to not be involved in the fight with Saurfang. Of course you were the only survivor, you were not meant to be at risk like the others.
Sylvanas is not dumb, she is one of the best strategists of the game. Most likely Lyana would have disobeid, or maybe it was just in sylvanaa scheme to test you, she expected either lyana dies, or saurfang, therefore she knows now you have disobeid here, and keeping eyes on u to find out where saurfang is or until u tell her
I have issues with the new graphics on cutscenes... The issue being why do they not animate an entire movie in house much better than the Warcraft movie was xD
Nervx1 such capture is a typical secret police job - redirect possible witness from your own faction, grab Saurfang, lock him in torture chambers, make him admit that he is a traitor and Sargeras own son and Lich King’s pawn and Ghuun’s second in command and then kill him after publishing those “admissions”. So yeah going with them or fighting was not even a choice. You dont go with secret police.
But that was a treason... Was it not? And yes, she sends troops after Saurfang but they gave him a chose to put down his weapons and go with them or die... That was his choice to fight and you chose to fight with him... What do you expect a cookie???
You didn`t get my point :D ... I`m fine with everything but people wining about thing that are lie ... You betrayed Sylvanas that is ok that is your choice but then don`t wine when she is calling you a traitor :D because for her you are ... if you choose her you will betray Saurfang ... :)
@@fellissilvestris7125 I wasn't whining at all. She can call me a traitor and I don't care. Intention of my first comment was to point growing similarities between her and Garrosh. She is becoming more and more like him with every event.
I know I’m going to get so much hate for this but I’m with The banshee queen. Some extremes go to far, but as a whole she stands for the horde, and I don’t want anymore separation in the horde.
wondering? there most definitive was a crock in the canals of stormwind... i remember that asshole from when i first started playing.... i remember wondering if he came out of that instance with the bars on it.... i was young so i didn't actually know there was nothing to that instance.... yep if anyone says otherwise they just didn't play at the right time... this was bc-wotlk and i only saw him once in a blue moon. the sw revamp came and ive not seen hide not hair of that silver dragon rare spawn asshat.
Hes still around. Checked wowhead screenshot of him as late as january this year and i saw him couple years ago. Hes only level 50 however so he gets gamon'd basically
"While some within our ranks have questioned the High Overlord's loyalties." Some? I think it's only you've been questioned about his loyalty, rotting corpse. "There is no time to waste. Let's begin the investigation." You mean...a hunt?
@@kds6992 well i could understand the sparing because his shere prsence can destroy raid groups. But it being scripted there was a raid group, a windrunner, a battle hardened wolfking and palidan. I don't think there was a definite point to see anduin at saurfang's mercy.
I think that only Anduin knew, the SI: 7 knowing would imply that everybody in the alliance is as kind and pragmatic as him but they aren't, the agents that distracted the guards were probably not told the purpose of their task and since they're special agents and such they don't question. Maybe Genn knew but that's just because he's a boot licker and wouldn't oppose the 18 year old's infinite wisdom. Voice acting is on point as always though. PS: if helping Saurfang gives me his hood and cloak I'll help him any day.
Man I just hope Sarufang flees and meet up with Thrall. We need Thrall back. Not the green jesus one but the one with doomhammer armor on him. That's the only way people will be fine with a orc bitch slapping Sylvanas out of the throne.
Getting only azerite for doing the right thing, while the traitors of the horde got a toy seems wrong. I wonder if this quest will continue and if the choice will matter
THey did note in the quest text when you made the pick, that you will be able to obtain other rewards. NOW if they qualify that little bit of Azerite as the reward, we might not know. :P
David Mužík even in pure value toy means more since each toy counts towards achievements and achievement points stay forever while Azerite will be gone next expansion. Any goblin who can see further then his nose must pick Saurfang.
@@MrVlad12340 Yes that's what I meant saying that it seems wrong. I still picked "Fuck u Zappy Cunt" option, but that toy was really tempting...we didn't even get much of the azerite anyway, what like 750 if I remember correctly? anything under 15k is laughable
David Mužík i am happy to be both loyal to Saurfang and not a dick towards Boy while also taking the toy. That makes me both feel good about my choices and about rewards.
@@MrVlad12340 WoW is dead anyway so who cares hah, I don't think it will survive more than one or two expansions unless most of the dev team's leadership gets fired
With the way Blizzard is taking the Alliance there will be no infighting or anything interesting it saddens me but the Alliance will always be boring and goodie goodie.
They really aren't goody goody. They're a bunch of racist, virtue signalling assholes that are the cause of a lot of tension. They're the reason the horde exists.
Nervx1 well, you could be playing a Forsaken character. Or your character could choose to call her that to show support for her. This is not going to be a strict racial divide. She also isn’t demanding agreement with all her actions. Remember, Vol’jin said she was chosen by the loa. A troll or a tauren isn’t necessarily going to be disloyal even if they don’t agree with everything she’s done. A blood elf or most orcs aren’t going to see anything wrong with her actions. On the flip side, some Forsaken have issues with her leadership. It is really up to the individual here.
VladTutushkin that’s why I said “Vol’jin said”. I know that, but our characters wouldn’t. They can’t make a choice based on information they don’t know. Tauren and Trolls still believe the actual gods chose her. No, eliminating Teldrassil wouldn’t disprove that: Teldrassil was Staghelm’s thing. Hamuul didn’t think it was a good idea in the first place. If the spirits thought a great threat was coming they might want each continent to be united under one banner. There is still no reason for a tauren or troll champion to think that Sylvanas wasn’t chosen by the loa.
I have a feeling that Zehkahn will become the next Darkspear leader. Because the trolls don't really have an iconic leader currently after Vol'jin's death.
Rok'han!? he was looking to bang the princess in the Nazmir Storyline, I saw how he looked at her. If that ain't a true troll leader. Then I ain't even sure I wanna be a troll!
Blind fool! It's all building up to the void god revloution that, Anduin is the true Main threat of the expansion! "The boy king serves at the master's table!" WAKE UP!
I understand they are trying to tell a story, but why does it always have to be a horde baddy. I am waiting for the expansion where Genn Greymane or Mekatorque goes insane and becomes the big bad. The Horde has lost so much over the past few expansions, they barely have any OG leaders left.
Srsly tho WHERE TF IS THRALL in all this... Maybe at this point he knows that he is to be blamed for all the shit going on. If he came back as a warchief in the end of MoP like Vol'jin asked him to.. On another note.. where you think Saurfang is going? Im betting his making his way to the dark portal... but what is he looking for?
@@marajade2224 wait are you serious? This is like the most boring straight forward writing ao far. Half of this stuff happend at least once before. I for once actually agree with the fact that blizzard writing is not original because I read better writing on forums and reddit than this.
@@marajade2224Good content ? What kind of mushrooms have you ate? Fancy sharing? Because i'm tired of watching shills trying to defend Activision's timegated crap. Like the "complaining" crap is fucking awful by now, its the bloody truth, WoW is not getting its 110% deserved drive because of the main fact that everyone is seeing day by day. Activision doesn't give a flying fuck what their customers think, they only care so they can drain every single bit of money from you. Stop defending scummy AAA companies.
It doesn''t makes any sense and It bothers me so much, why did saurfang had to hit us? You can just say that you split with Lyana when she told us to wait for further instructions, everyone died so no one could be against our word.
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Can't wait to see blizzard releasing a book telling how Saurfang finds some allies in a murlock monastery and also becomes best pals with some random human. Then, after the siege of the banshee queen, Vol'jin appears and says to Saurfang: "If ya' lead, I'll follow, mon" and Saurfang dies 2 expansions later
World of Warcraft patch 8.3 - The Murloc Rebelion
Shadows of the Horde part 2
Murloc joining the Horde would mean the end of the Alliance.
Jukol ططنطن
WoW patch 3.4 The Holy Murloc Jihad.
Sylvanas: "Be discreet."
Outside of Stormwind: tight group of 10 Hordies huddled together by the sewer lulz
Shirraz87 i mean it takes a lot of squinting to realise that this is Horde and not some murlocks or kobold bathing in a sewage. Smell can give them away though... even near sewer pipe.
go to 8:53 to get a wtf out of context moment
LOL, eeewww so perverse it's hilarious.
I lost it at the girlfriend joke
Horde Warchief suddenly going batshit crazy and nuking an Alliance city? (Theramore/Teldrassil) Check.
The 2 factions have a naval war and begin fighting on a new island for rich resources? (Pandaria/Kul Tiras & Zandalar) Check.
Fighting over a mystical artifact? (Divine Bell/Abyssal Scepter) Check.
A 3rd party jumping in to be a big bad in the second patch? (Thunder King/Azshara) Check.
OG Horde Leader going against the Warchief in open rebellion? (ZulJin/ Varok) Check.
An Old God's influence being the real baddie at the end of the expansion? (YShaarj/NZoth) Check.
How exactly is this not the same fucking story retold? I liked MoP. I really didn't want to play it again...
This time in Blizzard's CEO wisdom was "You think you don't want to play it but you do…"
NaCl Did you also content with uniting against the enemy to save the world for the billion times? Just fuck off with that bullshit.
Simple. Sylvanas' and Saurfangs pointless debate is a smokescreen for the real bad guy. Anduin Wrynn.
hmm I think Sylvansis is more acting like Arthas, where Garrosh hate the alliance for get go. this may get thrall back to consider lead the horde. plus anduin wrynn isn't the really evil
@@bartonhavens9781 Sylvanas has the blade of the black empire in 8.2. A blade we emptied of an old god in 8.1. Azshara serves N'zoth. N'zoth is an old god that will probably wake up in 8.2. My guess is that Sylvanas will imprison said old god in said blade at the end of the raid. This will cause everyone to turn against her out paranoia. Eventually Anduin will capture her and confiscate the blade. Then Anduin will go full Arthas on everyone because, unlike Sylvanas, he can't handle N'zoth's whispers. Thus he becomes the final boss.
OMG, male BE jokes coming from a little girl are just sooo wrong, lol.
Nobbel87 This was one of your best works, I had fun watching this, I enjoyed it. thank you very much
There is a crocolisk in the waters of stormwind, it's a rare however, I only managed to kill it once.
I think it was called the sewer monster or something
@@thezerowulf507 Sewer Beast
I haven't killed it, seen it twice though
Biggest Problem is people will be mad if Sylvanus dies. People will be pissed if she survives. People will be mad if she is redeemed. Blizzard has already upset people so just more.
Can't satisfy everyone
Horde players have different views on how the Horde should be, so a story like this is bound to divide the player base. People were already split regarding Garrosh, but he wasn't as popular as Thrall or Sylvanas. Sylvanas on the other hand has a huge fan base, who don't want to lose their waifu queen, no matter what she does. Others support her tactics for the same reason they supported Garrosh. They want war in Warcraft and believe this war can only be won through ruthless, but effective methods. The Saurfang supporters, which I myself belong in, believe in Thrall's vision of the Horde, and don't want to be the bad guys. There's also the debate about which is more honorable: morality in war, or loyalty to the warchief. Then there are the Alliance players who have wanted to get rid of Sylvanas for years. There's no way everyone will be satisfied with the conclusion. I may not agree with the current direction of the Horde, but I'm still curious to see how the story will play out.
Of course people gonna be mad if blizz pulls some bullshit and turns her into a villain in the 2 remaining patches. Nobody is going to be truly mad if she survives.
Wether the piss people off or not shouldn't matter at this point. They should focus on making a good game and a good story.
@@Nerazmus shes already a villain lol, shes literally done worse things than garrosh, its just poor writing that doesnt have the horde hanging her
Lol, love your side commentary. You make the story more funny and interesting.
did that troll really say that he became a meme lol
@Zerebrat Eightyseven luv u breh
@Zerebrat Eightyseven say it back pls
LMAO
So much of this could have been avoided if we either A) dragged Saurfang with us when he was in that cell or B) Actually just stopped by to talk to him and ask what his intentions were after escaping out of prison instead of going "ah, he must be a traitor, even though all he's really done is not come running back to the Warchief that made him be complicit in war crimes and left him to die twice."
Like all he's doing is chilling in the swamp, he's not exactly being caught red handed conspiring with Anduin to kill Sylvanas, here.
I'm also so sad the datamined third option didn't make it in. "Sometimes it's good to let others take care of things."
MegaChickenfish ummmm... he is a traitor tho. That’s not an opinion, just a fact. Just because he has a good reason doesn’t make it not treason. All traitors have a good reason, it’s such a hard thing to do that they must. His intention is clearly to depose Sylvanas. He doesn’t need to be conspiring to kill her, only to become Warchief himself. Also, did you even watch the video? The guardsmen said that Shaw came and brought them drinks. The only reason Shaw would do that would be to deliberately let Saurfang escape. He would only do that on orders from Anduin. Remember, when Matthias Shaw was a child Sylvanas was a member of the Alliance. Don’t think she wouldn’t know that. Would you have tried to drag Varok Saurfang out of his cell? The Saurfangs aren’t famous for their kindness you know.
"how sickeningly sweet" - did i mentioned im evil yet?
Morally grey...
Holy crap. I was thinking that he hadn't uploaded much recently, but it seems I've just missed so much because I've been so preoccupied with my schooling. TT_TT
Did you know that we have met Lyana before this quest. There is a quest in Howling Ford in Northrend where we met her.
I just did this quest a couple of hours ago on my Orc.. had way too much fun running around as a little girl saying hi to all the ally players in my gruff "murder you" Orc voice. They should put the potion back as a toy!
I love how the dialogue talks about impossible odds, when Saurfang has 21M HP, while the "assault team" has 130-40k :D Impossible indeed.
I like that sparky boy came back.
I quite like the Dark Rangers methods, instead of capturing and torturing the humans she decides to use a disguise and get the info out of them the nice way.
Hahahahah "Glory to the Banshee Qeen!" option when talking to Dayrcy hahaha
Sir Nobble please show mercy, only so many 30 minute+ videos in a week we can manage!
Also there was a crock in Stormwind Cannals... at least up till BC, switched to Horde for WOTLK so not sure past that.
You want to know how Saurfang really escaped? he walked out because no one was going to stop him and took the sewer as a courtesy for not getting in his way.
Merry Christmas nobbel great vid
I use to side with Sylvannys because she was getting things done... I want her to run but at the same time, I realize she's becoming Arthas and is also suicidal. As is Nathanos. I want to grant her true death but want her results, too. Tough decisions.
Someone has to save Azeroth and Boyking doesn't have the balls to do it. She is the only option now.
Mr.Vojtik “save”? She offers only genocide. World she wants to build is not worth saving.
@@MrVlad12340 Azeroth as is isn't exactly worth saving. A bunch of dumbasses stuck in old grudges that go right back to killing eachother as if we haven't fought death itself (Arthas and the scourge), another form of death itself (Deathwing) and hell itself TWICE (The Legion).
@@MrVlad12340 because for some reason, letting all the racists in an arena to fight it out once and for all so everyone can move on is impossible even with ALL the arena settings in Azeroth.
A lot of Sylvanas's fans are in that same boat. She's kinda become the only relevant character in the lore at this point and I think people need to appreciate that about her as a character.
Sylvanas said that she only trusts the player with the task of finding saurfang but I think she was just testing to see how loyal the player is, there's way more loyal people that she could have given the task to and yet she gave to to a morally grey stranger.
I'm actually really annoyed as when I did this, I chose to be loyal to Sylvanas as my main is an Undead Deathknight. BUT NOTHING HAPPENED. I didn't get the box or anything, it literally just closed the window so I had no idea until now that this was the fucking choice! I was forced to do the quest because I thought it was just a dialog text not actually the choice. Only reason I watched this video now is because I have done it so no spoilers. And apparently as I have read on the forums the GMs etc are telling everyone that "There's nothing we can do"
6:36 hahah Rude bats. Stop interrupting the story teller!
I laughed at that bit too 😆
What would wow be like without Sylvanas? She has been one of the more interesting leaders in gameplay/lore for a long time.
isn't the mirror lake crocodile a reference to Lake Placid?
Am I seriously the only one who noticed this? Anyone else remember Firefly? Remember what the rebels in the war were called? Browncloaks. Well played Blizz, well played.
I chose to support Saurfang in this quest (no surprise there). Honor may mean nothing to a corpse, but loyalty means nothing to a paladin, if the warchief is turning the Horde into the new Scourge. But this is just my main and most of my alts. I plan to do this quest again on my Forsaken warlock, and have him reject Zekhan. He is loyal to Sylvanas, but expects power in return.
When Blizzard scraps this Expansion as a means of making any remaining players buy the followup, five bucks says they go digging into the trunk of dead characters to revive to get players interested rather than expanding upon the characters they already have, ignore the existence of Wrathion and Alliance assets, have the Horde's atrocities have zero consequences for the Horde beyond the removal of one of their named characters (Sylvanas probably fucks off with her boy-toy wearing his cousins skin), and High Elves and Ogres remain non-playable races.
To me it seems that if Horde continues to get divided again and again, even going as far back as original Orcish Horde, after some time they will run out of the so called "honor", because all of the old guard will be gone either due to age or just because of internal and external wars.
LMAO! You pulled the Foo Fighters. Love it!
I think the bat in the beginning didn't want you to talk because it kept making noises when you were talking. Love the joke voices LOL. Nobbel, your a goober :P
Yeah, forget about Saurfang. I want to know more about what sort of shenanigans those two guards get up to.
Great video, thank you !
Great video. I loved how Zappyboi is like, "did you see all them sparks I be throwing?"
So did it offer you a choice? I didn't get any choice options maybe that comes later.
For the dark lady!
I fucking died at "De other trolls say I become something called a meemee..."
The path to Redridge is what Nobbel?
No... No it's not believable that he has made it out of stormwind undetected. Anduin would've been the ONLY ONE that could walk Saurfang out and keep everyone quiet. Just like he relieved SI:7. He told Saurfang the way out and probably sent Greymane ahead of him to tell him where to go and make sure nobody knows he was out. Saurfang's big ass would've attracted too much attention. Anduin enacted a curfew and walked him out.
I recall reading / hearing somewhere that SI:7 actually assisted in the escape and probably directed traffic away too. Outside of the sewer not really having population.
@SamTheFallenSon 69 good point. The entrance to the sewers IS in the stockades.
Reminder: Sylvanas puts an abom in the doorway and double down her room with rangers. She is fucking TERRIFIED of Saurfang
Wait a minute. Am I missing something here?
According to that troll, you were never supposed to know what happened after the Dark Ranger found Saurfang. If Sylvanas commented on your bruise that was inflicted on you in the fight with Saurfang, how come she never mentions that you joining the fight was against her orders? Weren't the Dark Ranger's instructions supposed to be from Sylvanas herself?
Only five ways I can rationalise this.
1. The Dark Ranger herself was disobeying orders.
2. More Bad Blizzard Writing.
3. Sylvanas knew you would side with Saurfang and made a goof in her sentence and accidentally revealed that she knew you would.
Edit: 4. Sylvanas is uncharacteristically stupid, no matter what standards you've set for her, and she just didn't notice.
Or 5 which is least likely of all. The whole mission was a test devised by both Saurfang and Sylvanas in secret to study your characteristics and loyalties. With the current direction the game is going, this last one is not likely.
I'll take the second one.
2 or 3 pls
well, when you give in the quest she mentions that there's no word from the dark rangers thus she asks if you're aware of what has happened over there and you tell her about the demise of the elite forces and you being the only survivor
so yeah, it's neither like you were personally tasked by the Warchief to capture the High Overlord nor it's outright disobeying her orders, it's more like 'so, where's the team? you're all that is left, champion? wtf?'
That still doesn't answer anything and the plothole still stands. But it just makes way for a new plothole.
Why would she question that you were the only survivor is you were supposed to not be involved in the fight with Saurfang. Of course you were the only survivor, you were not meant to be at risk like the others.
Sylvanas is not dumb, she is one of the best strategists of the game.
Most likely Lyana would have disobeid, or maybe it was just in sylvanaa scheme to test you, she expected either lyana dies, or saurfang, therefore she knows now you have disobeid here, and keeping eyes on u to find out where saurfang is or until u tell her
I have issues with the new graphics on cutscenes... The issue being why do they not animate an entire movie in house much better than the Warcraft movie was xD
Those darn mounts cuttin' ya off at the start XD
To me it looks like Sylvanass wanted to capture Saurfang, not to kill him.
Nervx1 such capture is a typical secret police job - redirect possible witness from your own faction, grab Saurfang, lock him in torture chambers, make him admit that he is a traitor and Sargeras own son and Lich King’s pawn and Ghuun’s second in command and then kill him after publishing those “admissions”. So yeah going with them or fighting was not even a choice. You dont go with secret police.
The last time when Warchief started to accuse Horde members of treason we ended up with Siege of Orgrimmar.
Just reminding you guys 😗
different unlike hellscreem
sly has not done anything to hurt it people like hellscreem
saurfang really is a trailor to the horde
But that was a treason... Was it not? And yes, she sends troops after Saurfang but they gave him a chose to put down his weapons and go with them or die... That was his choice to fight and you chose to fight with him... What do you expect a cookie???
@@fellissilvestris7125 I am expecting Thrall to return with Saurfang and behead her. Cheers
You didn`t get my point :D ... I`m fine with everything but people wining about thing that are lie ... You betrayed Sylvanas that is ok that is your choice but then don`t wine when she is calling you a traitor :D because for her you are ... if you choose her you will betray Saurfang ... :)
@@fellissilvestris7125 I wasn't whining at all. She can call me a traitor and I don't care. Intention of my first comment was to point growing similarities between her and Garrosh. She is becoming more and more like him with every event.
When I said "Glory to the Banshee Queen" to the woman in the tower, she died...
Guess she got scared :D
I know I’m going to get so much hate for this but I’m with The banshee queen. Some extremes go to far, but as a whole she stands for the horde, and I don’t want anymore separation in the horde.
Also no hate on saurfang, he’s a great character and I hope he remains with the horde
What are the chances that Saurfang ends up in Thralls old armor, cus he sure seems to be looking more and more like him.
8:55 do not play with my feelings nobbel
Is this quest line a part of the war campaign and thus rep-gated or a separate thing?
There are giant crocodiles at Mirror Lake??? One of the strangest things ever happen in WoW.
wondering? there most definitive was a crock in the canals of stormwind... i remember that asshole from when i first started playing.... i remember wondering if he came out of that instance with the bars on it.... i was young so i didn't actually know there was nothing to that instance.... yep if anyone says otherwise they just didn't play at the right time... this was bc-wotlk and i only saw him once in a blue moon. the sw revamp came and ive not seen hide not hair of that silver dragon rare spawn asshat.
Hes still around. Checked wowhead screenshot of him as late as january this year and i saw him couple years ago.
Hes only level 50 however so he gets gamon'd basically
I am a simple man, i see Nobbels video, i press like.
6:13 This game is so stupid
i mean it doesnt feel like an ambush when the killers are dead by an blink of an eye
Saurfang cleaves right through your puny paladin bubbles!
Is saurfang going to outland/back in time draenor?
Someone is a double agent, maybe a triple agent.
So why did he betrayed Saurfang at the end? I am confused...
Dark Ranger Lyana is the same voice actress as that plays Kaliyo Djannis in SWTOR. =) I thought that was cool.
[insert Simpsons clip of Homer as Krusty the Clown beating up hamburglar with kid crying that hes already dead]
Pretty much sums up wow
"While some within our ranks have questioned the High Overlord's loyalties." Some? I think it's only you've been questioned about his loyalty, rotting corpse. "There is no time to waste. Let's begin the investigation." You mean...a hunt?
When did saurfang spare anduin's life? Did i miss something in the cinematics.
siege of undercity, he had chance to kill him there. then in the prison(cinematic aswell) he had chance to kill anduin.
@@kds6992 well i could understand the sparing because his shere prsence can destroy raid groups. But it being scripted there was a raid group, a windrunner, a battle hardened wolfking and palidan. I don't think there was a definite point to see anduin at saurfang's mercy.
And one ofnthe most powerful ice mages out there.
I made my BE hunter go pure Saurfang (don’t kill Sira, defend Saurfang) and I made my Panda monk pure Warchief (the opposite of the above)
YOU KILLED DANGER THE DOG! You scoundrel! This is why the Horde can't have nice things!
no no no... Saurfang decided to stay and fight alliance in undercity.
I think that only Anduin knew, the SI: 7 knowing would imply that everybody in the alliance is as kind and pragmatic as him but they aren't, the agents that distracted the guards were probably not told the purpose of their task and since they're special agents and such they don't question. Maybe Genn knew but that's just because he's a boot licker and wouldn't oppose the 18 year old's infinite wisdom.
Voice acting is on point as always though.
PS: if helping Saurfang gives me his hood and cloak I'll help him any day.
I remember the crocodile in the water in stormwind killing me in like vanilla or something :/
If we are already in Elwynn, can't we just join the good faction?
I wish that Zappy boy doesn't get killed! I mean Zekhan!
Who is going to confuse a Belf in a brown cloak with an Orc in a brown cloak?
Zekhan didn't spawn for me. GREAT.
Saurfang is going to bring in Thrall!!
take out a titan .. get slaped by an old orc.. jesus the consistency
Man I just hope Sarufang flees and meet up with Thrall. We need Thrall back. Not the green jesus one but the one with doomhammer armor on him.
That's the only way people will be fine with a orc bitch slapping Sylvanas out of the throne.
8:54 I can'T stop laughing XD
8:55 Hey Nobbel, why don't take a seat over there ...
I wonder where saurfang has gone
Martin Mikus judging from his direction and proximity to a Dark Portal... i bet he goes to Nagrand to find Thrall.
Getting only azerite for doing the right thing, while the traitors of the horde got a toy seems wrong. I wonder if this quest will continue and if the choice will matter
THey did note in the quest text when you made the pick, that you will be able to obtain other rewards. NOW if they qualify that little bit of Azerite as the reward, we might not know. :P
David Mužík even in pure value toy means more since each toy counts towards achievements and achievement points stay forever while Azerite will be gone next expansion. Any goblin who can see further then his nose must pick Saurfang.
@@MrVlad12340 Yes that's what I meant saying that it seems wrong. I still picked "Fuck u Zappy Cunt" option, but that toy was really tempting...we didn't even get much of the azerite anyway, what like 750 if I remember correctly? anything under 15k is laughable
David Mužík i am happy to be both loyal to Saurfang and not a dick towards Boy while also taking the toy. That makes me both feel good about my choices and about rewards.
@@MrVlad12340 WoW is dead anyway so who cares hah, I don't think it will survive more than one or two expansions unless most of the dev team's leadership gets fired
I’m just a little girl with demon and glowing wings behind my back. Nothing weird about that.
I need the name of Nobbel's sword
Phenix twinblade or something like that, it drops fron kael thas from the eye.
It's the one dropping from KaelThas in the BC raid
With the way Blizzard is taking the Alliance there will be no infighting or anything interesting it saddens me but the Alliance will always be boring and goodie goodie.
You mustn't have read the novels or have played the Warcraft games. The alliance had their time being monsters and being divided it's the hordes turn.
The Darkshore campaign had other Alliance leaders straight up ignoring Anduin's orders, so... that's something.
I mean night elves basically said fuck the war plan and tyrande blames saurfang for the burning as well so there might be some night elf shenanigans.
They really aren't goody goody. They're a bunch of racist, virtue signalling assholes that are the cause of a lot of tension. They're the reason the horde exists.
Cynical Nitro nope, the Burning Legion was the reason
"yes my queen" as far as i like Sylvanass she is warchief to the horde and queen only to the forsaken.
Nervx1 well, you could be playing a Forsaken character. Or your character could choose to call her that to show support for her. This is not going to be a strict racial divide. She also isn’t demanding agreement with all her actions. Remember, Vol’jin said she was chosen by the loa. A troll or a tauren isn’t necessarily going to be disloyal even if they don’t agree with everything she’s done. A blood elf or most orcs aren’t going to see anything wrong with her actions. On the flip side, some Forsaken have issues with her leadership. It is really up to the individual here.
Sunwalker Edaaga but she actually wasnt chosen by the Loa... dont want to spoil more.
VladTutushkin that’s why I said “Vol’jin said”. I know that, but our characters wouldn’t. They can’t make a choice based on information they don’t know. Tauren and Trolls still believe the actual gods chose her. No, eliminating Teldrassil wouldn’t disprove that: Teldrassil was Staghelm’s thing. Hamuul didn’t think it was a good idea in the first place. If the spirits thought a great threat was coming they might want each continent to be united under one banner. There is still no reason for a tauren or troll champion to think that Sylvanas wasn’t chosen by the loa.
Neat.
I have a feeling that Zehkahn will become the next Darkspear leader. Because the trolls don't really have an iconic leader currently after Vol'jin's death.
Rok'han!? he was looking to bang the princess in the Nazmir Storyline, I saw how he looked at her. If that ain't a true troll leader. Then I ain't even sure I wanna be a troll!
can blizz just say, "yea it garrrosh 2.0"
I liked this buth this is just dager in the dark, now saurfang need to meetr some bears for a book...
Blind fool! It's all building up to the void god revloution that, Anduin is the true Main threat of the expansion! "The boy king serves at the master's table!" WAKE UP!
It was a joke...
Just breath, it wil be oke. Try not to insult ppl before making a point...
@@iljagobeyn8914 r/woosh
8:55 best part
All hail Saurfang
Will never side with Sylvanas, Saurfang will always be my last hope in the horde.. Also I got a toy, who the hell can say no to a toy!
My brianwashed friend who said Saurfang was his favorite warcraft character until this expansion.
p sal same here. But i kicked my friends ass and now he sees the truth.
Ironically because of that toy, there is more loyalty demonstrated in siding with Sylvanas than siding with Saurfang.
〈The Nickname〉 “loyalty” to Bitch Queen is like loyalty to drugs or lung cancer.
I understand they are trying to tell a story, but why does it always have to be a horde baddy. I am waiting for the expansion where Genn Greymane or Mekatorque goes insane and becomes the big bad. The Horde has lost so much over the past few expansions, they barely have any OG leaders left.
18:35 Poor Danger. D:
I think my only Horde char my Undead Male Rogue will not betray Sylvanas...
Everyone else on my Horde side will be with Saurfang...
there was i died to it while i was lvl 10 i fell into the water and it killed me :O
Srsly tho WHERE TF IS THRALL in all this... Maybe at this point he knows that he is to be blamed for all the shit going on. If he came back as a warchief in the end of MoP like Vol'jin asked him to..
On another note.. where you think Saurfang is going? Im betting his making his way to the dark portal... but what is he looking for?
You choose to stay loyal to sylvanas? Cuckel87.
19:36 TRAITOR!
Holy shit can Blizzard come up with something slightly original for once? Like...please?
Tf are you talking about? This is a original plot/story. .So can you stop complaining... please?
@@marajade2224 I wish I was this delusional. Or did I miss the sarcasm?
@@moonrazor2039 The only thing you happened to miss was the facts. Why do you complain about the people whom are proving you with good content?
@@marajade2224 wait are you serious? This is like the most boring straight forward writing ao far. Half of this stuff happend at least once before. I for once actually agree with the fact that blizzard writing is not original because I read better writing on forums and reddit than this.
@@marajade2224Good content ?
What kind of mushrooms have you ate?
Fancy sharing? Because i'm tired of watching shills trying to defend Activision's timegated crap.
Like the "complaining" crap is fucking awful by now, its the bloody truth, WoW is not getting its 110% deserved drive because of the main fact that everyone is seeing day by day.
Activision doesn't give a flying fuck what their customers think, they only care so they can drain every single bit of money from you.
Stop defending scummy AAA companies.
Of course Horde has much more interesting story than Alliance. Of course...
And I know this is just slightly changed MoP story.
It doesn''t makes any sense and It bothers me so much, why did saurfang had to hit us? You can just say that you split with Lyana when she told us to wait for further instructions, everyone died so no one could be against our word.