Solar Production 2023, SolarEdge Battery Insights, Octopus Go Intelligent.

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  • @simon7790
    @simon7790 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent analysis as ever Anthony! You have a great ability to uncover revealing insights.

  • @Swaggerlot
    @Swaggerlot 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting that you have about 1.15 Mw in June with your 9kw vs my 1.05 Mw from my 5.5kw in January (opposite hemispheres and 32S). Not as big a variation as I might have expected, although I do have some obstructing trees to contend with. Even with obstructions, my worst month was 300kwh. Again not as great as I would have thought. For the past three years the system has produced a total of around 7.72 - 7.8 Mwh. This month I am installing a 10kwh battery, mainly in anticipation of future power issues. It's unlikely at current rates to be cost effective, but it will be nice to have. I've no intention in acquiring an EV.

  • @peterryan7340
    @peterryan7340 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The futures prices out to 2027 in Australia are increasing 😕. I definitely would not need the extra heat inside my house in Australia

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In theory futures prices in the United Kingdom have every reason to rise up especially with conflict in the Middle East affecting the maritime traffic up and down the Red Sea for example but the electricity and gas market seem at the moment to be fairly resilient to all of that. But the impression I get is that Australia is seeing a lot more rooftop solar being deployed simply because it is by far and away the cheapest source of electricity so it’s rather peculiar that your futures prices are increasing.

    • @peterryan7340
      @peterryan7340 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @anthonydyer3939 Absolutely 💯. Current international conflicts are not adversely impacting prices. I am charged 160 cents per day for a connection fee. Does the UK and Scotland, etc, have this same fee?

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@peterryan7340 We have a 57p/day standing charge. It’s supposed to be a rental fee for the electricity meter. But 2 years ago, the fee increased about 150% to cover distribution infrastructure as well (previously distribution infrastructure was built into the consumption costs).

    • @peterryan7340
      @peterryan7340 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @anthonydyer3939 That's exactly what happened here too.

  • @JonathanTracey
    @JonathanTracey 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video really helpful. I have a solaredge system but wondered how you accessed the new dashboard? I have never seen that before my web access goes to the old one. Any tips ?

  • @YT2023-ry6yy
    @YT2023-ry6yy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Anthony thanks for documenting these issues. I have a quote in hand for a solaredge battery system but I'm a little concerned now. With the benefit of hindsight would you have installed a different system? Which one? Thanks!

  • @Torchman-
    @Torchman- 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just started watching, thanks for putting this together! Have a great new year!

  • @HaxbyShed
    @HaxbyShed 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great update packed full of data. I know these videos take a lot of work. Yeh, the battery efficiency does not surprise me due to the fixed losses (BMS consumption). Reporting discrepancies well spotted. I've looked at intelligent octopus flux (no EV) but it's not as favourable as Economy 7 for us because the night time cheap rate is too short. 6 hours may be enough but I'm not ready to get an EV for it. We have Givenergy solar and bat, and the automated export for demand flexibility scheme works well (Giveback/Axle). Cheers

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Intelligent Octopus Flux has no cheap nighttime rate. But it does have have the same import export price of 25ish p/kWh. You have the “dress code” of a givenergy battery to hand over control to Octopus Energy in order to qualify for that tariff.
      Biggest advantage of that tariff comes in the summer time with a big solar array on your roof. 25p/kWh is a very handsome price for export. It’s not so handsome in the winter time when running a heat pump or charging an ev.

  • @TimHodgesofEdinburgh
    @TimHodgesofEdinburgh 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I generated 4.1MWh in 2023. Yet for each year 2019 to 2022 my array has consistently generated 4.4MWh. There could be some panel degradation but I suspect it’s mainly down to more cloudy days, possibly caused by the El Niño event.

  • @grahamwoodier5066
    @grahamwoodier5066 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting video - thanks! I have a Solar Edge inverter with a DC coupled LG battery. My SE reported generation stopped making any sense when I began charging the battery overnight with Octopus Go. My installer failed to get an explanation from SE so for the time being I have stopped worrying about it. I did try the SE algorithm for controlling the battery but after 4 days of "learning" I was still buying electricity at the peak rate - something that doesn't happen when battery charging is controlled on a timed basis. I feel that Solar Edge have good hardware but it is let down by software and their approach to providing end users with meaningful information.

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The overall impression I get is that more and more end users are getting a bit frustrated with the way solaredge deals with them. Overall I think Solaredge does great hardware but when it comes to customer service they are not up to modern retail standards.
      The impression I get is that their focus is towards installers more than anything else and that is reflected in the fact that installers have got all the configuration access privileges to your inverter but homeowners do not.

  • @hpower11
    @hpower11 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Anthony, I have exactly the same setup as you, octopus intelligent go, SolarEdge inverter\battery and Zappi Charger, I wasn't aware of Export during Octopus saving session, could you please explain how did you set it up? during cloudy days by the time it's 5PM my battery is already at 40% and discharging it for an hour would mean I would then be importing from grid in the evening, does it still make sense to export?

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you export at £2.25 per kWh down to 0%, then it doesn’t matter if you are using electricity the rest of the evening at 30p/kWh. You’re still making money.
      So two things for saving sessions
      1. You have to manually opt in to the particular saving session. It’s not automatic. I’d recommend you look up all the details about saving sessions and get signed up and then you manually opt in to each individual saving sessions as and when they become available.
      2. You have to manually set up your energy bank battery to discharge at the maximum rate during the savings session. It should be possible to do that using your SolarEdge app: there are settings for discharging the battery now so that’s not just reserved for installers anymore.
      In your example, you can force charge the battery from 40% to 100% at 3pm at 30p/kWh and then your’re all set for forced discharging of the battery during the entire savings session.

  • @BassPunk
    @BassPunk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I too was confused why the SE battery % was depleting at a faster rate than consumption. Glad you found out why.
    Two observeations I've repeatedly noticed: 100% capacity reached but continued charging for another ~30 minutes. 0% capacity reached after saving session deplition but then after switching from manual control back to Maximise I get 6% capacity! Helps to avoid peak rate on Flux.

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I see that as well, and I think it has more to so with calibration of battery capacity measurements. I find that if the battery hasn’t been fully cycled, then over time, the capacity measurements can jump or sink suddenly by a few percent. Essentially your cell voltages can start to drift over time. The battery management system will aim to keep cell voltages balanced, but cells can have very slight variations in charge discharge characteristics that built up over time.
      Normally a full cycle sorts out the battery capacity measurements again. There is a useful measure called “available capacity” in the SolarEdge API. You’ll see it in my video. That can jump around somewhat from 10000Wh all the way down to 8900Wh. I haven’t studied it much, but it’s probably worth examining it’s behaviour over a period of a few big and small charge cycles.

  • @JasonW-w8t
    @JasonW-w8t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Anthony. Thanks for the video. I don’t have installer privileges on my Solaredge battery, but have been given additional control of the battery on the solaredge app over the past few months. Not sure whether this is now standard for all owners, or whether I’m a test subject on a Beta version, but I can use the app to either manually set charge and discharge times, or let the solaredge algorithm work out how much to import overnight. I seemed to notice that the strange discrepancies in production figures started around the time that the app was updated to give me this additional battery control. I just update daily production figures on my own spreadsheet. Slightly tedious admittedly, but this gives me a more accurate figure for overall monthly production.

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It “should” be standard, but for some reason mySolarEdge app has the “time of use” options blocked out “available soon for sites enrolled on grid incentive programs”. I get the impression that this is a bug, and some people have access and others don’t.
      In theory you should have the ability to do 80% of what can be done on the installer settings. Only thing missing is “charge from clipped solar”, which is more useful during spring and summer.

  • @RichardABW
    @RichardABW 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    SolarEdge want the serial of the IHD because it allows them to access your import/export figures.

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In theory the Mpan number which is on the actual meter should be sufficient to provide that information shouldn’t it?

    • @RichardABW
      @RichardABW 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Possibly, I think there's more than one way to do it. On second thoughts, the serial on the IHD may serve as some kind of password for them to be able to access data of your MPAN. I had to use the IHD serial when joining Hugo type apps that want to read your data.@@anthonydyer3939

  • @alanwalker6185
    @alanwalker6185 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Anthony, I’ve only just become aware of your channel - great analysis. My own system is quite similar to yours, but 5.6kWp PV panels, and no smart meter (no wide area network where I am).
    One question. You say at about time 18:45 that you “switch off the battery” between certain hours to improve overall battery efficiency. How do you switch off the battery? Is this by physically switching off & on the battery isolator, or is there a software setting somewhere that I’m not aware of?

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There’s a mode called “solar power only”. That prevents the battery from charging or discharging. It’s in the installer settings, so if you don’t have access then it becomes a tricky proposition.

    • @alanwalker6185
      @alanwalker6185 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, Anthony. I continue to be amazed that SolarEdge still have settings that would be very useful to system owners hidden behind “installer settings”. I’ve had similar issues in the past, and in fact previously suggested to them that they add a “prevent charge and discharge” setting to the TOU options, but received no reply on that. I think it’s time I attempted to get access to the installer settings - after all, I own my system, they don’t. How did you go about getting access to the installer settings area?

  • @southwestsellers5475
    @southwestsellers5475 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Anthony interesting video. We have two Solaredge batteries and a Solaredge 6Kwh inverter.
    Ever since moving from the Flux to the Go tariff in mid October and importing for the four hour night rate the Solaredge app and dashboard do not record consumption or import correctly. Every morning before any generation the app is showing 300-400Wh of production which can only be export from the batteries when they near 100% capacity at approx 04:30. System production on the dashboard is not consistent with the actual generated electricity and on the app there are complete days missing generation when you look at a weekly or monthly view.

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The old dashboard on the monitoring website will record the battery import correctly, but system production figures are mysterious.
      I think the formula is Production = Direct Solar Consumption + Export + Battery Discharge - Battery grid charging.
      The problem with that formula is battery efficiency. It’s not 100% for charging cycles.
      Battery grid charging in December far exceeds discharge (to AC) when discharge rates are low. So when solar production is marginal, exports are zero and discharge is less than grid charging, the the overall production registers as zero.

    • @southwestsellers5475
      @southwestsellers5475 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anthonydyer3939 thanks for the reply. Makes keeping track of generation a pain as it will show up on the daily figures but it is not accurate.

  • @mvrck-pb5pk
    @mvrck-pb5pk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Anthony, love your detailed and very pleasant narrated video's. Is there a specific reason why you still use the former (old) dashboard?

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Normally I use the new dashboard. But imports are calculated differently between old and new - old factoring battery charging from the grid.
      It’s also much nicer to look up specific days quickly on the old dashboard. The new dashboard requires you to enter start and end dates, meaning more button taps.

    • @mvrck-pb5pk
      @mvrck-pb5pk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anthonydyer3939 Thank you for your response.

  • @paulcolu
    @paulcolu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Anthony -I thought I was the only one with a similar problem. But I now see it is a SolarEdge problem. All my figures were ok up to and including November but December and now January are clearly not recording/displaying correctly. I have a case open with SolarEdge but response has been slow and have not been given an indication when it will be fixed.

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don’t think it will be fixed. I think the “solar production” formula = solar power home consumption + export + battery discharge - battery grid charging.
      In theory this formula works, but in practice this only works if the efficiency of the battery is 100%. When you have an efficiency for your battery which is closer to 80% you end up with more energy been spent charging the battery than you measure in terms of useful output and therefore your solar panel production values get smothered on cloudy days.
      Alternative option is to go onto the analysis page, and look for the string DC power and energy outputs. This is the energy sent to the inverter from the panels. But you have to subtract 20-30 watts for inverter internal consumption before you get the “useful” figure.

    • @paulcolu
      @paulcolu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anthonydyer3939 Thanks for the response. What I cannot understand is why they have broken something that seemed to be working fine for months. Solaredge monitoring and reporting seems to be slipping further behind companies such as Giv Energy

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paulcolu The overall impression I’ve had a SolarEdge is that they are very slow to change anything at all in terms of software. It’s taken years to make battery controls accessible to end users for example and when you consider the fact that they’ve had quite a few years of experience with the LG chem batteries prior to the Energy bank, you’d think that they would have cottoned onto the fact that the end users would want to actually control their batteries.
      But the presentation of production and consumption figures seems to be completely wrong in terms of philosophy: solar production for example should look at the total energy produced and where it is going in terms of charging up batteries, home consumers and export. And consumption should be looking at: Grid consumption, consumption from solar direct, consumption from solar via battery and consumption from grid via battery.
      It seems like they’ve got all sorts of different conflicting ideas within their own company as to what is production and what is consumption.

    • @paulcolu
      @paulcolu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Anthony - I totally agree they are falling further behind their competitors

  • @craigburgess2237
    @craigburgess2237 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you program SolarEdge such that all solar production only goes to grid and home is run entirely from battery until it runs out and then the grid comes online? I have a Huawei system and cannot do this and given I have substantial battery capacity, for most of the year it makes sense to export all electricity and run home off the battery which we can charge up overnight at half the rate of our export. Huawei only lets me export surplus over what is needed to run the house.

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There are certain battery modes:
      Maximise self consumption- the default mode
      Charge from solar and grid - useful in the cheap hours.
      Discharge to grid - useful in peak hours if you have the flux Tarriff.
      Charge from solar only, no discharge (not useful)
      Discharge to minimise import, no charging. (Useful to delay charging if using clipped solar later in the day).
      Solar Power Only (battery switched off) - useful during cheap hours when charging the car.
      Charge from clipped solar - useful during spring summer sunny days to maximise production.
      When it comes to maximising export, the strategy would be to charge home battery to 100% overnight, and run all heavy loads overnight as well (car charging, washing machine etc,,,,). Any loads you have during the day will use solar or battery according to surplus or deficit. You don’t want to take power from the grid during the day as that’s more expensive than export rates anyway.

    • @craigburgess2237
      @craigburgess2237 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anthonydyer3939 Looks like you cannot divert all solar directly to grid and run home on battery either. In early spring until late Autumn I can charge the batteries at night and they are large enough (60kWh) to last all day without solar and its an annoyance the software does not cater for this situation by allowing me to direct all solar straight to grid. Seems the hardware manufacturers don't recognise this opportunity for those countries where we have dual tariffs.

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@craigburgess2237 To achieve what you want, you have to consider different operations that have the same equivalent outcome. In this example, you can charge overnight and then force discharge the battery in the morning before the solar output becomes export limited. Then you can recharge the battery with clipped solar during the middle of the day before force discharge again in the evening period.
      At the moment I’m exploring the modbus register mapping for the Inverter. There is also rescinded documentation for modbus controls for the battery. So far I’ve got production data over modbus, but sadly nothing for the battery. If I find the missing trick, then I’ll be sure to make a video about it, since the register mappings follow the standard sun-sync specifications.

    • @stevejudyrobinson1771
      @stevejudyrobinson1771 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anthonydyer3939 The SolarEdge Modbus Multi Integration in HomeAssistant I mentioned above exposes 125 entities some of which are for three-phase but basically all you need to know about the Battery and Inverter and the System as a whole. It is worth setting it up for that alone. For just that it would just be a few hours of work. I can send you the full list if you like.

  • @paulcolu
    @paulcolu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Anthony - How do you get access to the new dashboard? When I log in I get the old one

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Top right corner of the monitoring website you have the option to switch between old and new dashboards.

    • @spam4just
      @spam4just 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nope don't have that option....@@anthonydyer3939

    • @paulcolu
      @paulcolu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anthonydyer3939 Thanks I had not noticed the option button. I will give it a try next time I log in

  • @markwilliams5654
    @markwilliams5654 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You talk strangely

    • @anthonydyer3939
      @anthonydyer3939  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

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