MINI Cooper SE / Electric: 500 MILE Weekend Plymouth Road Trip in a Short-Range ELECTRIC CAR
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- Are road trips impossible to do in an electric car? I put that claim to the test as I embark on a weekend away in Plymouth which makes it a 500 mile round trip from my home in London.
All in the fully electric MINI Cooper SE (F56) which manages to do about a 100 miles between charges on a good day, so it's important for the charging infrastructure to work properly from the moment I plug in on the street overnight until I reach Devon - 7 times in total!
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
00:28 Vehicle Setup & Departure
02:09 Driving out of London
03:17 Reading W-bound Services
06:21 Driving to Bristol
07:12 Bristol - Mollie's Diner
09:16 Driving to Exeter
09:41 Exeter Services
11:12 Driving to Plymouth
11:43 Evening in Plymouth
12:18 Beginning of Day 2
12:44 Hike
14:32 Driving to Bristol
15:37 Bristol - Mollie's Diner
16:44 Driving to Reading
17:26 Reading E-bound services
17:48 Driving Home through London
18:09 Journey Data & Cost
19:24 Conclusion - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Good to see someone making videos who knows about EVs and charging.
I love the fact that EV haters in the comments (why? just don't buy one) didn't watch to the end where you explicity say, "if doing longer journeys regularly, get a more suitable EV".
Really enjoyed this, shows what is possible even with only 100miles of range!
People that would complain about a 100 mile range wouldn't have bought a short range ICE either. They can now buy an MG4 EV with a superb range, and travel without stopping.
For us that dont want massive cars not drive 600 miles every day, this Mini is perfect.
No ICE car does 100 miles! 3 x at least. Where do you make your lies up? At work or in the pub
Great video. I have a Fiat 500e with 42kWh battery & don't have a problem with long journeys. Infrastructure is very good now with minimal planning needed. Just common sense. Longest journey so far West Sussex to Inverness.
You should be on the stage😂
@@barriewilliams4526Some people just get on with life. Without making a song & dance about it.
Another great video!
Nice channel. I hope you keep producing these kind of informative videos. I’m a ‘22 VW I.D.4, Pro S RWD, owner living in Southern California. I have absolutely loved the car since purchase. All the Best, Art.
What a great time to be alive. 😊
Great efficiency!
great video! Very surprised to see you getting a shot of coffee!
Enjoyed that!
Loving these videos Martin. Makes me feel spoiled with the 64kWh Soul I have, mind you I’m stretching it’s legs in July taking it from Yorkshire to Croatia
Was it running on AA’s? 7 stops is way too many
Did you watch the video?
@@timrothwell33 how would i know if i didnt?
Because it said it on the thumbnail and in the description. If you watched the video you will see that he didn't have to do 7 charge stops. The purpose of the video wasn;t to show how to do the journey in the least number of stops but just to use multiple pieces of infrastructure to show what's available@@Cheshire_Astronomy
Useful tip when travelling away, pack a couple of old plastic bags for dirty boots or unplanned shops, hope this helps? Thanks for showing all the places to stop/see on the trip, very helpful. Regards.
I used to keep a couple of carrier bags for my dirty wellies but now we have a Tesla we use the front boot, frunk for our dirty footwear
Fascinating real-world Mini drive. My partner wanted to buy one. But with his parents 240km away he felt the range was too short. He wants a car that can do that journey on one charge because the problem here in France is unreliable motorway charging. It looks so much better in the UK.
I believe the newer Mini has a range around 250 miles although you would be better with a Tesla long range, ours does 320 miles easily
Thank you. Buying something much smaller and from a European brand are both important. I know longer ranges exist in larger vehicles. The Mini’s size suits. I’m wondering what the R5 is going to like…
(If I had to a frequent 480km round trip every couple of weeks I would definitely stick to a 2litre diesel). EVs are good if you are just a short journey commuter of say 30kms per day.
@@philtucker1224 My long range Tesla will eat 480km up without stopping, Maximum cost about £5.60, home charging overnight is such a win !
@@stevenbarrett7648even that is piss poor really , and over time that range will shrink as the battery gets tired.
There is no escaping the fact that EVs come with sacrifices and compromises .
Long distance is not what they are good for, and if you are needing to be time efficient or reliable, an EV is not that car.
I love a tailwind in our i3s, really pushes that brick along :)
Love your last minute and unscripted videos.
I don't have to plan my trips, be it Land's End, or John O'Groats. I just get in and drive there, not stopping if I do not wish to. But, I do drive a petrol powered Toyota.....
Neither do I. My in car sat nav plans the trip for me and I never have to waste 5 minutes standing at a smelly petrol or diesel pump.
In the 21 minutes that this video ran on a good day I could fill my car to 100% 4 or 5 times .
The Ionity station at Cullompton is way cheaper than the Gridserve at Exeter. There are fewer chargers for sure, but worth the wait mostly.
Vegan fish and chips and 7 stops to charge, you live in a different world my friend - A London champagne dreamer 😂
You must have not made it to the end of the video where I mention there are many electric cars which can do the journey without stopping. 🙃
A great video Martin. I thought 100 mile range would be a problem but your planning proved otherwise. I believe the new Mini is to have a longer range, around 190 miles.
We enjoy our Mini Electric so much and it lives 99% of its life on our 10-15mi round trips to and from work. Whats nice is on trip trips even at 50kw the charging curve is solid and we just plan our charging with a stop in mind. I bet Mini tried to put as much battery as they could fit within reason
Very expensive option. You may as well get the bus or train.
@@andrewwaller5913 where I live in Canada rapid charging is around 0.28c to 49c per kwh. UK is likely one of the most expensive places Ive charged in Europe
My 1999 SAAB 93 2L Auto Cabriolet gets a really poor 20mpg, but it’s probably still cheaper than charging at some of these places, and I can do over 300 miles on a tank full. So on long trips I only need to stop for 10 minutes for comfort breaks (when I NEED ONE), and 5 only one minute stop to fill up with petrol when the tank is low. And that’s only going to happen if my trip is a whole 100 miles longer than the journey described in this video.
Contrast this with the utter nonsense of SEVEN charges during stops (wholly dictated by the horribly short range of the Mini), and however much time that wasted.
No matter how many excuses EVangrlist cult fanatics make to explain the absurd lengths to which they are prepared their ludicrously expensive, heavy, grossly inefficient and rapidly depreciating appliances, the facts alone are sufficient to prove beyond all doubt that they are the least viable transport options to ever be foisted on humanity.
In only a very short time, these people, now considerably poorer as a direct consequence of their poor decisions, are going to be seriously regretting their choices, and hoping to hide their embarrassment from their families and friends. And they will probably pretend that we who’ve performed due diligence on this subject, didn’t warn them about the obvious errors in their thinking.
@@G58 The Mini Electric wasnt made as a long distance cruiser. Its a City+ car and commuter. Thinking that something such as a Model 3 or similar needs to make the same amount of stops is asinine. Maybe go watch Mr.MacTaycan ?
@@simplygregsterev The real ICE Mini Copper has a 10 gallon capacity, and at 30mpg combined, that’s a range of 300 miles, which is three times the range of the EV Mini. 200% less range is a huge difference. It’s literally a third of the real car, and at what price…???
I think these are the nicest looking EV
Great to hear the charging network is improving. If the prices could drop a bit on the cost of the car I will think about making the switch.
Thank you for this sensible and informative video. It's a pity the ICE-trolls feel the need to comment - usually without watching and understanding the points you are making
Let them feel important once in a while. 😅
It would be great if you could do a quick video where you explain how to identify whether a Tesla charger will work for other car makes (BMW i3 for example). I have assumed I could never charge at a Tesla charger, but you have demonstrated sometimes you can. Would I ever need to have the Tesla app installed or if the Tesla charger works with other makes then it will also have contactless payment option? Thanks, I enjoy your videos!
The latest generation of Tesla Superchargers (like the ones in the video) feature taller totems with longer cables and the built-in screens with contactless readers.
However, most Superchargers are of the previous generations. We have already made a video on the Wisely Automotive channel which should answer your exact questions regarding discoverability and payment:
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Really good video. Well made and informative. 👍Whilst I have nothing against the concept of EV's, I can't help but think there must be better way to spend my weekend than planning routes based the charging network, calculating distances, and waiting in service stations. Imagine what you could get up to if you didn't need to have this time taken from you. Not a hater, just find it interesting to see what the average EV user has to put up with.
Imagine if you could fill up and do the whole trip in half the time, with i dont know one of those new fangled diesel cars ? 😂
7:44 7:50 how long did it take to get the EV charger rebooted??
Mollie’s diner is a lovely place to eat - great find. I’d be very interested to hear your thoughts about Japanese EVs such as those from Honda, Mazda & Toyota. Are they as efficient?
I always want to drive cars before passing the final judgement, but I am afraid, if there is one thing most Japanese EVs have in common, it's that they are NOT efficient.
had you problems with reaching charging peak if you dc charged a few times a day?
Was wondering about that as well. But looked quite good, still getting 46kW at 41% at the 4th stop on the way back 🤔
No issues at all. The thermal management is very good and seems like the actual battery chemistry is also very resilient.
The car is only really limited by being able to take in 125A, so at lower state of charge you start just above 40kW and as the voltage rises, it hits the peak 50kW at around 65% and holds it until approx. 75%.
Nice video again Martin, be interested to see what range improvement you could get with a more conservative cruising speed on the motorways, maybe 62-65 instead of 70, personally on long journeys I cruise at 60 GPS speed in my 40 kWh Nissan Leaf, did a 700 mile round trip to the Scottish Highlands last summer and averaged 4.8 miles per kWh. Wonder if the Mini could beat that 🤔
4.8 miles / kWh sounds achievable, especially at the slightly lower steady speeds in nice weather.
For example, I got 4.5 miles / kWh from London to Colchester the other day without trying hard:
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Martin to you think the GOM on the Mini is pessimistic ? The reason I ask is in the Carwow group range test they achieved a full to empty range of 159 miles and the tester commented that the car went a further 20 miles after the GOM said zero miles remaining until it eventually stopped.
Did I miss the details on how long was spent charging end to end..
About a week😂
Very interesting car and video!! Dynamic and refreshing. I own a 2020 Ioniq 38kWh, very similar size battery. Most people don't drive more than 50miles/day. Why need a 300miles range car when it is so easy to travel and recharge frequently? I only travel far a couple of times a year... I can do the effort of travelling slower.
What do you think of your EV Mini? Any issues? Why did you choose the EV version, and not petrol one?
So that you have total freedom to not live a small life or make an open minded open horizon approach really time consuming and wasteful of your life and time.
19:22 only without taxes! With taxes EVs would be far more expensive than petrol or diesel
Likewise if diesel and petrol had the taxes cut to match electric - then they'd be far cheaper
How much time was spent at the charging stations?
No idea, didn't measure it. The car was always done before I was ready to continue the trip.
The only time I was inconvenienced was the last charge before coming into London where I had to sit in the car for whole 10 minutes. 😱
There are so many chargers other than Mollies Gridserve just off the M5 - you could have found another MFG station and there are some new Tesla Superchargers that are open to all too!
Definitely! Lots of choice across most major routes in the UK now, but wanted Mollie's food. 😅
It’s like motoring has gone back 70 years
How far has motoring come in the last 70years?
In mild weather, with my Tesla Model Y RWD Standard Range, I can cover the same distance with just two stops. Typically, I'll embark on the first leg of my journey until the battery state of charge (SOC) drops below 5%, providing approximately 200 miles of range. Then, I'll take a 30-minute break to recharge the battery to 80% SOC. Following this, I'll resume driving for the second leg until the battery SOC dips below 5% again, yielding around 160 miles of range. Another 30-minute recharge session to reach 80% SOC, and I'm set to continue until I reach my destination.
I've done over 10k miles in my Mini SE and only used public charging 3 times. I've been curious about a long road trip (my commute is 75 mile round trip). This is fascinating,
Put your boots under the boot floor, beside the charging cables!
The boot (including the under-floor storage) was full of my other stuff.
Why even consider cruising at 70 in a low-range EV? Even Teslas I encounter on the motorway usually cruise at 60.....
I am surprised you could get that Tesla Supercharger working without any issues. I bought a used 2020 Mini Cooper SE earlier this year and have given up on Tesla Superchargers, thry just don't work with my car. I plug in the chsrging cable, use the app to start the charging process, the car even says fast charging for a few seconds but just a few seconds later: Nothing happens, after about two minutes the app tells me charging has been canceled since the charger couldn't communicate with the car. Tried multiple ones but no one worked, it's a bit of a shame because even here in Germany Tesla is offering pretty good prices, especially considering other fast-charging solutions like Ionity.
Never had any issues. Same goes for our Wisely customers with MINIs or i3s.
It may be worth getting your car checked out then.
The only common "problem" is that once you finish charging, you get an error, but this clears after a vehicle restart - it occurs because of how Tesla communicates the end of a charging session which seems to confuse these BMW Group cars.
This may not be relevant to the Mini, but I found with my e-Golf charging on a SC work much more reliably if I ignore the instruction to plug in first. Select the charger number in the app, *then* plug in the car, and it works every time.
How convenient you found off street chargers. Do a video following the inconvenience of not having them.
I don't really understand what you are saying.
These chargers exist and are available. The video reflects my experience of running an EV in the real world.
You can understand why people panic when you see 100% and it’s saying under 100 miles. I’m doing Glasgow to Duxford via another stop door to door in August 420 miles. All I need to do is fill up at Penrith with my F56 Cooper. On a run it gets 55 mpg easily. I know this is the first gen but even the new gen is probably only going to show you 200 miles real world. If the mini did EV did 300 miles per charge it would be on the drive. Looking at a Volvo EX 30 long range or model 3 long range maybe next year. I bought my Cooper factory ordered it was one of the first on the U.K. roads in 2014 and has only done 34k miles and still drives like new so in no rush. The main thing was the MINI EV still drives like a MINI.
With a short range, do you worry about battery degradation in 5-6 years?
That Mini is 3 years old already - do you mean when it's 8 or 9 years old? Given that there are 8 or 9 year old BMW i3's without massive battery degradation now I doubt it will be that bad - Martin might have more knowledge on that though!
one off journeys make almost no impact at all, the main thing is that batteries dont like to be left empty for extended periods of time. and like ffvoyager, the bmw i3 doesnt seem to have any problems with this as a design it came out with 33kw at the end of 2016 - and that was when there was much less fast charging capacity round the country (i3 does use samsung battery and mini uses catl but i doubt that makes any difference). my experience with a 2017 i3 is very simular to this here.
Currently my 40k-ish miles i3 will charge from 5% till full still receive 33-34 kw which is more or less the amount of electricity when i bought it 4 years ago
Unlikely because real life data is showing Lithium Ion batteries hardly degrade. Expect 6% drop for 100,000 miles. Buy a car with 10% more range than you desire and it’s good for the life of the car, based on average user mileage. It’s common knowledge now that a battery should last longer than the car.
Another 2017 i3 owner here with no signs of battery degredation - the i3 actually has a secret menu to show you actual capacity to compare with new. Mine was 100%, so either it really is that good, or somewhat inaccurate.
8 year / 100,000 mile warranty.
Hi Martin,
Thank you for another great video.
Which chip shop was that? I'm thinking of doing a similar trip and want to also try the vegan fish.
Thank you
Kip
Your data analysis failed to mention the time taken to charge ?
Because I didn't measure it. The car was always done before I was ready to continue the trip.
The only time I was inconvenienced was the last charge before coming into London where I had to sit in the car for whole 10 minutes. 😱
I will give my opinion and be as objective as possible. My cons on buying an electric car.
-expensive to buy, if i will buy new depreciation is high and that in the case i will buy new and probably that will never happen. If i would buy second hand and out of warranty i wouldn.t risk to have problems with the battery, it will be a very expensive repair.
-nowhere to charge on street that i living , i will have to walk at least 15 min.
-i don't want to sit around and wait until is charged
i still drive a 2008 Prius but i am looking to buy a newer car. When a 2016 Toyota Prius gets around 65 mpg, why i would even consider getting an electric car?
500 mile is two charger in our kona
11:57 3.8 miles per KWH = 21p per mile. Yet their is almost no tax on electric
A diesel would likely cost close to 25% of that if it wasn't for the doubling of fuel cost by the fuel duty+Vat on the fuel duty.
Well diesel is taxed. If you’re able to charge your EV off peak at home it’s much less than 21p per mile.
@@hughmarcus1 which is unfair as the tax is arbitrary and EVs cause other pollution and really are just different forms of pollution. So they should be taxes the same.
@@warrensmith4590EVs haven’t got enough market penetration yet to be taxed.
My personal view is that they’re ripe for road pricing in the future as most are permanently connected to the internet
@@hughmarcus1 road pricing means total monitoring and total control of your life.
It's the Stasi/KGB dream. It enables them to force you to comply.
Key here is a short range mini, if you bought a car with a 5 litre capacity for petrol, you wouldn't get far either, this is what we're comparing here.
I've got a Kia Niro EV and managed 250 miles with 40 miles still remaining recently, so 290 miles. So to compare here, that's a drive to Plymouth, 1 charge, and a drive home. There are quite a few cars now that do much more, a 350+ miles is not uncommon, so again, a single charge. I'm ok with a 250 mile drive and a single charge to get home.
Is your EV Mini equipped with geofencing and geotiming? 🤔
No. Why should it be?
@@MartinKarel Some EV manufacturers are installing these features as part of an upgrade to the car's system. The features aren't active, but will lay dormant until required when such legislation arrives, possibly in the very near future.
@@56Gumball Please give an example of at least one manufacturer and what it will mean in the future.
@@MartinKarel Try Kia for one.👍🏼 In the future it could enable the authorities to prevent you from driving at any time they see fit (basically a curfew), and it could allow them to prevent you from driving into certain areas. Think what happened during the last pandemic with lockdown and how you could easily prevent unnecessary travel if there was another pandemic with geofencing and geotiming, or even a case of national security. Maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist, but time will tell if that's the case.
Bull 💩@@56Gumball
Thanks for sharing, looking to buy a new city car but want the option to use for motorway runs. Your video seems to suggest EV journeys are not practical unless you want to have numerous stops. Not for me with current technology capability will look at small petrol engine I think.
the current tech will give you up to 600kms range....
I missed why you couldn’t put your muddy boots in the boot?
Could've done it for £57.00 in a yaris hybrid, just for that range with only 2 stops at 59 mpg,
If you’re gonna do long distances don’t buy a mini electric, it’s a runabout car to charge at home each night at a cost of £1.40 per 40 miles, a diesel car would cost you a gallon of fuel at a cost of £7…I’ve got both so I know!
I've got the same car, but it can do a minimum 480 miles on one tank.
So not the same car then. 🙃
In a diesel, you could have done that on one tank, no stops and cheaper and still have had some left when you got home. If this is 'progress' count me out.
Fair enough that you don’t make it the end of the video where I clearly mention there are many (even affordable) EVs which can do London to Plymouth on a single charge with no stopping whatsoever if you wish.
Either way, I can assure you I would rather stop once in a while than be completely miserable after 500 miles in a diesel car. 🙃
it is fun to drive except for such looooong journey. too many charging. maybe only good when travelling single
8:03 Food???
Yes. There is food...?
In my car that journey would be £60 no stops, in a large comfy SUV, with the increased cost to buy,an EV similar spec to my car is £12,000 more, public charging more expensive than its ICE ,tyres are neatly double and less range, insurance is double , my car is on a 20,000 mile service plan or 2 year, in 2025 there will be road tax, where is the incentive to buy an EV ? I am considering an EV for my next car this year but struggling to to see the economic case.
Please can you enlighten me which "large comfy SUV" gets over 56 miles per gallon of petrol in the real world?
Don't know where you took the tyres and insurance pricing either. 🤷♂️
@@MartinKarel I didn’t say petrol my 2021 VW Tiguan 2.0L 150 Diesel dies around 60mpg on journeys, kwik fit and any insurance website.
Wow…..you must have a lot spare time in your life to charge and charge and charge and charge and charge and charge and charge and charge ……how many hours did that take?
I've done London to Lands End and back, via the A303,
also in a Mini Cooper Electric,
which is about 600 miles,
first stop to charge, Amesbury, 30 mins,
next stop B.P. Honiton, 20 mins,
while I stopped to eat and drink,
next stop, Strawberry Fields Farm Shop,
about 25 mins charging, while I did some shopping there,
so by the time I got to Lands End,
I only spent 30 mins solely charging up,
as during the other 20 min and 25 min stops,
I was actually doing something,
I re charged at Land End too, while I was checking it out,
don't forget that, the Mini Cooper Electric,
has one one the shortest EV ranges too.
Another import point worth raising is,
while at home in London,
I charge up locally at a FREE public EV charging point,
so about 95% of the 24,000 miles I've done in my Mini Cooper Electric,
have been done for FREE, hm, when you fill up your ICE,
how many hours do you have to work, to pay for that?????.
My tesla model r gets 360 miles on a charge and the tesla would only need 1 charge to make this journey.
You’re comparing apples & oranges.
If it was 100% charged, why did it only show 90 miles range ?? - surely it should say 200+ miles?
Not the mini. The real world range is 110-120 miles.
@@hughmarcus1 yes (I guess they do a super basic one to offer the lowest possible starting price)..
@@philtucker1224there are 3 trim levels but the motor & batteries are the same in all of them. It’s the driving experience & the looks of the Mini that’s the attraction
100% charge with 98 miles of range? Horrendous
In my petrol car i can do 500 miles i one 5min, fill up. Future my arse😊
Strange I seem to see a lot of Service stations pack with ICE cars not filling up. maybe you have a cast iron bladder, no need to eat and being drip feed redbull to keep you awake.
The cost might not be optimal but your overall average efficiency is great and NO fossil would get get an MPG of 160mpgE ever!
I handed my much loved 2021 BRG Cooper S E L3 back to Mini nearing the end of its PCP and now have a new U25 Countryman S E Sport L3 that, so far in the 550 miles I’ve racked up in the 2 weeks I’ve had it and driving on fast A roads in Central Scotland in stormy and very rainy weather with pretty cool temperatures, averaged 3.6m/kWh which isn’t bad considering it’s somewhat more brick shaped than the F56 hatch, somewhat heavier AND being an All4 JCW driving both axles instead of just the front one. Big test will be my 1st ever EV road trip in the 3 years I’ve been an EV owner from Stirling to Harrogate at the end of May to go to the Fully Charged/Everything Electric show. Last year I went in my then 3 months old Defender and did the round trip on one tank of diesel…………. Countryman reckons it needs one charge at Carlisle Ionity on the way south and 2 short top ups at Scotch Corner Gridserve and the new Westmoreland Services chargers at Cairnlodge in Lanarkshire on the way back north. I might just fill up at the new Sainsbury’s chargers at Harrogate before departing and then again at Carlisle Ionity instead as Plan B. Up to today I believe my U25 Countryman was the only one in private ownership in the U.K.! The others are all dealership demo cars at the moment….. you need to get a loaner for a few days and test it out. 64kWh in the battery is utter luxury after the F56 with 29 in a full battery! The dealership mine came from put out their 2nd one thus afternoon.
The cost isn't right - Martin should calculate after starting from 100% and add the charging back to 100% on the return so the total energy for the trip is priced (although I'd avoid over charging at the 'expensive electricity from Gridserve' on the way back as I can charge at home for 7.5p/kWh and try to get home with as low a % as I dare!)
“Vegan fish and chips”!!🙄 Ludicrous.
That’s just a bit sad having to charge all the time , yes you can live with it, but why would you.
And if you keep eating every time you pull up charge , you are going to end up like a porker 😂.
And from my experience not many teslas except the most hugely expensive sport models would do 500 miles in a single go , not even close , and we have a long range model.
Yes you can do long trips in an EV , but you have to be prepared for a lot of stopping and starting and waiting around.
It would be interesting to see the mini doing the same trip with a couple of fat pensioners and their gear , maybe even a night run with lights on .
What a faff. Appreciate it is a short range car from what the guy is saying, but is this really how people want to travel in the future? 7 charge, 500 miles round trip for £95.65, blimey.
I would need 3 charges to make that trip. Pretty standard EV range these days from a Model Y. I would need about 5 mins to do the one way journey if I leave with a full battery.
So if I charge overnight at the destination that would only be 2x 5 min charges on the road for the 500 mile journey. On this journey I’d do the destination charge while having a look around Plymouth.
What “faff”. My 2022 Kona EV could have done that with one overnight charge back up to 90% battery. I have just done my regular 390 mile round trip. All but 60 miles on motorways and fast dual carriageways. Started at 100% arrived with 30% (95 miles range left at the 4.5 mile per KWh it averaged). Had a nice walk along the seafront and a cup of tea for 50 minutes whilst the car charged back up to 90%. Set off home a couple of days later. Stopped at Banbury for a comfort break and a sarnie, so put it on charge whilst I did so . Put another 18% in the ‘tank ( 65 ish miles. It averaging 4.2 mile per KWH on the way home.) arrived home with 138 miles of range. So, just two charges, neither of which were of any inconvenience and one wasn’t really necessary. So, no faff.
@@ObiePaddles Ok, but the chap wasn't driving a Model Y was he? Still 7 stops and £95. Each to their own of course, but not for me.
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 Per my other response to someone else, each to their own. But he was driving a Mini, still 7 stops and £95 for the privilege. If it works for you all goodf, but how on earth is 7 stops 'no faff'?
@@AlanGill1 he was showing what cold be done, even if you had a low range car. You are showing what can be said, even without listening to the video’s premise.
Or just have a tank of fuel and don’t worry about all the charging nonsense
Didn’t worry about the charging once. 🙃
I dont like Electric Cars I had a Volvo for the day ,whilst quiet & smooth & Very Fast ! But Somehow I dont trust them
Just buy a Diesel and get it done in one for £50
I know right 😂
That’s right, drive around killing folk with your cars emissions but you will be okay …jack
Would cost me £75-£80 in my 220k volvo estate and would do it easily on one tank That takes 3 minutes to fill,we are going backwards with technology 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
But this is done with a small battery car, using only public chargers. The average EV will now do double what these Minis will do, and there are loads which will do over 300 miles. If charged at home for the first leg, you'd only pay around 2p/mile for the first leg and then anywhere between 10-20p/mile for the rest - so it could cost you a lot less than your £70-80 if you have the range and can charge at home - you might also be able to charge at your destination, so may not need to spend any time charging.
The majority of EV drivers are charging off-peak at home, and rarely exceeding their ranges day-to-day, which means 99% of the time, it's costing them 2p/mile - or free if they charge off solar generation. In my case, in the last year I drove 32,000 miles for £800.
This logic only applies if you're driving 500 miles every day and can't charge overnight. Even with regular Devon to London journeys I've probably spent less time waiting to for a charge than you have spent filling up in the past 4 years. If I'm doing a journey sub 300 miles of my house, I spend 0 minutes waiting for a charge and only costs me £5.
@@JonathanPalfreyit doesnt apply only to. Long journeys
No easy charging at home - like 44% of UK households - makes EVs more expensive per mile and less usable than petrol and diesel
Remember EVs predate petrol cars by 60 years and are still less usable today.
Christ this video makes EVs looks like alot of hassle. Emails whilst charging? Ringing up charge providers to reboot machines, mucking about looking for chargers open to your car, stopping at random places and spending money on rubbish. None of this is an improvement over the older tech.
Once EV ranges get up to a comfortable 350 miles they make sense. Until then ICE makes a lot more sense. I get you're a single bloke but imagine a family in one of these.... id have spent 200 quid on lunch, brunch, ice cream, coffee whilst wasting time waiting for a charge!
I'm not anti EV but range is not good enough to compete with an ICE vehicle today.
EVs are perfect for people with limitless patience 🤦♂️
Zen and the Art of EV Charging.
And stomachs and no family and pockets.
Or tiny bladders. Mines about 2 hours. So happy to charge little and often when going far.
@@colinwiseman 😂
In these videos you don’t see/feel the monotony of driving. In a 5 hour drive you need to stop. In a petrol car I felt the need to push on and complete the trip often filling up with petrol at the start but breaking a 5 hour drive into 2 parts is far more pleasant. I feel sorry for motoring journalists that get roped into ever more extreme distance challenges under some artificial time pressure and having to grin through the unpleasantness of it all.
Ridiculous..these EVs are for rich people with nothing better to do with their time.
I can assure you I am anything but rich. 🤑
Well if you can afford to buy or hire, and run an EV, your either well off, or clinically insane..you choose
Just buy a diesel and stop wasting time.
Must be nice to be able to switch cars whenever you want, posho
@@bjonkofficial My 1999 SAAB 93 2L Auto Cabriolet only cost me £1,000, and gets a really poor 20mpg, but it’s probably still cheaper than charging at some of these places, and I can do over 300 miles on a tank full. So on long trips I only need to stop for 10 minutes for comfort breaks (when I NEED ONE), and 5 only one minute stop to fill up with petrol when the tank is low. And that’s only going to happen if my trip is a whole 100 miles longer than the journey described in this video.
Contrast this with the utter nonsense of SEVEN charges during stops (wholly dictated by the horribly short range of the Mini), and however much time that wasted.
No matter how many excuses EVangrlist cult fanatics make to explain the absurd lengths to which they are prepared their ludicrously expensive, heavy, grossly inefficient and rapidly depreciating appliances, the facts alone are sufficient to prove beyond all doubt that they are the least viable transport options to ever be foisted on humanity.
In only a very short time, these people, now considerably poorer as a direct consequence of their poor decisions, are going to be seriously regretting their choices, and hoping to hide their embarrassment from their families and friends. And they will probably pretend that we who’ve performed due diligence on this subject, didn’t warn them about the obvious errors in their thinking.
What a useless car
What a stupid comment.
@@bjonkofficial No need to keep switching. Just stay with ice. Only a posho says posho.
I will buy an EV when they invent a way to bring dead batteries back to life as what worries me is i buy a car that cost £30 grand on finance and in 10 years its worthless , where as at least with a petrol car it would retain 1 tenth of that value so you can get £3grand back , where as with a dead EV its basically worth nothing sadly
This from rom Bristol Street Motors (26th April)
8 year old Leaf, 30 KwH battery, 43,500 miles @ £6,800.
This fro the AA
13 year old Leaf, no battery size stated, 70,100 miles @£4,500
12 year old Citroen c zero, 93 mile range, 47,000 miles @ £4,500
11 year old BMW i3, 50,500 miles. @ 8,000
11 year old Smart 4two. 34,000 miles £6,000.
There are scores of 10 year old Leafs going for £5k to £6k. All these cars have healthy batteries.
So, it is clearly incorrect to say an EV “in 10 years it’s worthless “. Why do you say the “battery will be dead in 10 years”? Again a totally false and ridiculous statement.
Obviously your knowledge of EVs is garnered from MSM headlines and anti EV clickbait grifters on TH-cam.
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 So you disagree with science that states a battery 🔋 will always degrade over time ? Good example those leads can't charge to even 60% capacity now
@@christineayres7199 Indeed I do not disagree with science. In fact I believe, implicitly, with the physics and empirical facts, why don’t you? Where do you get that “60%” from? Even that is not “the battery is dead” scenario as insisted by the op.
Some empirical science based facts for you:
“However, at some point the battery will need to be replaced.
As a rough guide, this will happen after 10 - 20 years. The exact date will depend on things like the method and percentage of charging, number of charge cycles and mileage covered”
When used in an electric car, the average degradation is 2.3% each year according to a study of 6,300 EVs by Geotab a telematics company.” In practical terms this means that an EV with a 300 mile range should still be able to travel around 231 miles between charges after 10 years.”
“Maths boffins may have noted that a 2.3% battery degradation should give a battery a life of 43.5-years before it is completely flat, but most manufacturers consider a battery’s end-of-life state to be at approximately 70% efficiency.
This equates to around 13-years, although there are a number of things you can do to help extend its life beyond this figure. Geotab says annual degradation of just 1.6% is possible, getting you to that 70% replacement figure in 18.7 years.
www.carwow.co.uk/guides/running/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last#gref
“based on data from over 6,000 electric vehicles, spanning all the major makes and models, batteries are exhibiting high levels of sustained health. If the observed degradation rates are maintained, the vast majority of batteries will outlast the usable life of the vehicle.”
As you might expect, the older a vehicle is, the more likely its battery has deteriorated. However, when looking at average decline across all vehicles, the loss is arguably minor, at 2.3% per year” (note; 2.3% compound loss per year DOES NOT equate to 100% or even 40% after 10 years.
www.geotab.com/uk/blog/ev-battery-health/
“However, drivers can expect upwards of 10 years or 100,000 miles of use - with reports of twice that distance - from an electric car. As such, the lifespan of an EV is not dissimilar to a conventional petrol or diesel model.” R.A.C.
www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/charging/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last/
“There are plenty of older EVs still on the road that are in fine order after thousands of miles and years of battery degradation. So while a decade-old phone will have to be perpetually plugged in to work, a decade-old EV will still offer an acceptable range. “
www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last/
Car batteries are not smart phone batteries you know!
So, “agreeing with the science” does not mean believing the sensationalist MSM and clickbait grifters.
@@christineayres7199 Indeed I do not disagree with science. In fact I believe, implicitly, with the physics and empirical facts, why don’t you? Where do you get that “60%” from? Even that is not “the battery is dead” scenario as insisted by the op.
Some empirical science facts for you:
“However, at some point the battery will need to be replaced.
As a rough guide, this will happen after 10 - 20 years. The exact date will depend on things like the method and percentage of charging, number of charge cycles and mileage covered”
When used in an electric car, the average degradation is 2.3% each year according to a study of 6,300 EVs by Geotab a telematics company.” In practical terms this means that an EV with a 300 mile range should still be able to travel around 231 miles between charges after 10 years.”
“Maths boffins may have noted that a 2.3% battery degradation should give a battery a life of 43.5-years before it is completely flat, but most manufacturers consider a battery’s end-of-life state to be at approximately 70% efficiency.
This equates to around 13-years, although there are a number of things you can do to help extend its life beyond this figure. Geotab says annual degradation of just 1.6% is possible, getting you to that 70% replacement figure in 18.7 years.
www.carwow.co.uk/guides/running/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last#gref
“based on data from over 6,000 electric vehicles, spanning all the major makes and models, batteries are exhibiting high levels of sustained health. If the observed degradation rates are maintained, the vast majority of batteries will outlast the usable life of the vehicle.”
As you might expect, the older a vehicle is, the more likely its battery has deteriorated. However, when looking at average decline across all vehicles, the loss is arguably minor, at 2.3% per year” (note; 2.3% compound loss per year DOES NOT equate to 100% or even 40% after 10 years.
www.geotab.com/uk/blog/ev-battery-health/
“However, drivers can expect upwards of 10 years or 100,000 miles of use - with reports of twice that distance - from an electric car. As such, the lifespan of an EV is not dissimilar to a conventional petrol or diesel model.” R.A.C.
www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/charging/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last/
“There are plenty of older EVs still on the road that are in fine order after thousands of miles and years of battery degradation. So while a decade-old phone will have to be perpetually plugged in to work, a decade-old EV will still offer an acceptable range. “
www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last/
Car batteries are not smart phone batteries you know!
So, “agreeing with the science” does not mean believing the sensationalist MSM and clickbait grifters.
@@christineayres7199 Indeed I do not disagree with science. In fact I believe, implicitly, with the physics and empirical facts, why don’t you? Where do you get that “60%” from? Even that is not “the battery is dead” scenario as insisted by the op.
Some empirical science facts for you:
“However, at some point the battery will need to be replaced.
As a rough guide, this will happen after 10 - 20 years. The exact date will depend on things like the method and percentage of charging, number of charge cycles and mileage covered”
When used in an electric car, the average degradation is 2.3% each year according to a study of 6,300 EVs by Geotab a telematics company.” In practical terms this means that an EV with a 300 mile range should still be able to travel around 231 miles between charges after 10 years.”
“Maths boffins may have noted that a 2.3% battery degradation should give a battery a life of 43.5-years before it is completely flat, but most manufacturers consider a battery’s end-of-life state to be at approximately 70% efficiency.
This equates to around 13-years, although there are a number of things you can do to help extend its life beyond this figure. Geotab says annual degradation of just 1.6% is possible, getting you to that 70% replacement figure in 18.7 years.
www.carwow.co.uk/guides/running/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last#gref
“based on data from over 6,000 electric vehicles, spanning all the major makes and models, batteries are exhibiting high levels of sustained health. If the observed degradation rates are maintained, the vast majority of batteries will outlast the usable life of the vehicle.”
As you might expect, the older a vehicle is, the more likely its battery has deteriorated. However, when looking at average decline across all vehicles, the loss is arguably minor, at 2.3% per year” (note; 2.3% compound loss per year DOES NOT equate to 100% or even 40% after 10 years.
www.geotab.com/uk/blog/ev-battery-health/
“However, drivers can expect upwards of 10 years or 100,000 miles of use - with reports of twice that distance - from an electric car. As such, the lifespan of an EV is not dissimilar to a conventional petrol or diesel model.” R.A.C.
www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/charging/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last/
“There are plenty of older EVs still on the road that are in fine order after thousands of miles and years of battery degradation. So while a decade-old phone will have to be perpetually plugged in to work, a decade-old EV will still offer an acceptable range. “
www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/how-long-do-electric-car-batteries-last/
Car batteries are not smart phone batteries you know!
So, “agreeing with the science” does not mean believing the sensationalist MSM and clickbait grifters.
The Electric Car Delusion comes up against REALITY when a range of 100 miles is described positively . Electric Cars are DANGEROUS INCONVENIENT and EXPENSIVE . My 13 year old Cars power source still has the same capacity it had when it was built , thats 500 to 600 miles . And to go from nearly empty to 100 % takes 10 minutes . Petrol and Diesel is GREAT .