Is String Buzz Caused By High Or Low Frets?
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Phil McKnight on the Know Your Gear channel makes a good point about fixing (or not fixing) low/high frets. If they don't affect playability in any way, then don't worry about fixing it. Some people think that if the fret rocker finds even the tiniest difference in fret height, then it needs a full level, crown and polish. But if the note isn't fretting out or buzzing, then there is no reason to spend the time and effort (and money) to do all of that.
Phil knows his stuff!
Makes sense if it's playing right , don't start messing,
It becomes more important when looking at spot levelling on older, well played necks - if you assume a rock means the fret is high that you're on rather than one of the frets either side being lower you may find yourself chasing the buzz up the neck.
I have mentioned this to a few luthiers and none of them had ever run into this before. There can be a high pitched fret buzz that the rocker can't locate by rocking. My acoustic had a zinging noise that was driving me nuts. I was chasing all the usual suspects and getting nowhere; loose tuners, bad strings, something internal, saddle not making full contact, buzzing in nut slot. The zinging noise was happening on the A string when fretted at the 3rd fret. I forget how but I finally deduced that the zinging noise came from the A string being too close and vibrating against the first fret rather than between fretted note and bridge end of fret board where we typically look for fret buzz. Setting a rocker across the first three frets would feel rock solid while in reality being suspended just a hair above the second fret. Sliding the long edge of the rocker down the frets towards the first fret, you might feel a slight catch or bump up as you contact and rise onto the first fret.
I've heard more than one electric guitar player say that if you can't hear fret buzz when it's plugged in then it's not a problem. Maybe yes, maybe no. I suspect fret buzz kills sustain.
More importantly, which came first, the dinosaur or the dinosaur egg?
@@patricklundquist9869 So would that be a nut issue then?
@@marcosreal11 I think that issue could be caused by a nut slot cut too low, a tall first fret. In my case it was a tall fret that just needed a slight filing under the A string. Seems that on another guitar, a second fret being low might do the same but when I played at the second fret, there was no buzz anywhere else so I discounted that idea.
The Luthier: grabs a fret rocker
The Frets he's just installed: We gonna rock!!😄🤘
THANK YOU! ...About the chicken and egg comment. I mean, thank you for the rad instrument building channel too. I've been watching, learning for a few upcoming projects i've decided to dive into the deep end for. But the chicken & egg thing... Whenever anyone asks the dumb "Which came first?" Riddle, i immediately answer "The egg." Because the egg came first. It's a really simple evolutionary answer. The proto-chicken animal laid the egg that had the genetic mutations that was the first chicken. Not much of a thinker. Yet, i still get confused looks and blank stares when i say "the egg" and also when i explain why it's the egg. Anyway... thanks for all the great info. This weekend i'll be removing a fretboard to replace a broken truss rod.
So which came first, the proto chicken or the egg? One could argue that a proto chicken is still just a chicken.
@@HighlineGuitars Ah, yes, but when i say Proto-chicken, i mean whatever species that came before the chicken that wasn't a chicken. At some point, a species that wasn't a chicken laid an egg, and that egg hatched a chicken. I'm unconcerned about whether or not the proto-chicken or egg came first because the proto-chicken isn't around anymore so i can't cook it for dinner or make a bass guitar out of it. 😆
As usual a crystal clear explanation, Chris.
Hi Chris! I just found your channel for the first time today. I'm a music student who has dreams of building my own guitar one day. I've just seen a couple of your videos but I'm hooked by your clarity, specificity, and attention to detail. I like that you take the time to explain the Seems like your videos come from a sincere desire to teach what you know and to help people make better instruments. I'm very grateful to have such a resource freely available to me if I ever do get to make a guitar. Thank you for sharing!
I would love to obtain a guitar made by this guy
Low fret can be changed to a new one and leveled to the other ones. ;)
As if the new one would be any better than the one it's replacing. ;-)
This video inspired me to find Nut Rocker by B Bumble and the Stingers.
Very useful video chris cheers mate 👍
Another good one Chris!
Glad you enjoyed it and hope it's useful.
Hi Chris, I’ve learned a lot of things with your videos but also I’ve seen that you always or most of times you work on electric guitars and I’m wondering, if it is in your future plans, to post videos about acoustic and acoustic electrics guitars as well. I am not a Luthier but I like to try to repair my guitars. I own 3 guitars, one with nylon 6 strings, a 6 string acoustic electric and an Ovation 1982 pacemaker 12 strings acoustic electric. Congrats, keep on doing what you really know and thanks for sharing you knowledge. Grettings from Valencia, Venezuela 🇻🇪
I have a strong desire to build a jazz archtop hollow body. I don't know when I'll make one, but I will someday.
Hi Chris, Where do you stand on the Levelling Beam vs Radius Block for levelling for normal radius guitars (not compound radius). Hope you're well. Love these vids.
I prefer a radius block.
I often see fret leveling/crowning repair videos where each fret is masked off with Painters Tape placed perpendicular to the neck. I've been wondering for a while if running a couple of strips if Painters Tape over the frets, but parallel to the neck, matching the edges of the Tape so it doesn't overlap, might be an easier, faster, and perhaps more efficient way to identify, then level/crown high frets.
Running a leveling beam or radiusing block over the Tape would leave a mark Tape without touching any of the frets that are not too high. One could also first put a Felt Marker black line on the Tape over each fret to make any sanded marks easier to see. What do you think?
Just mark the tops of the frets with a Sharpie.
@@HighlineGuitars Then, aren't you likely to end up sanding almost all the frets to to some degree, as there is no buffer, particularly if they were close to flat to begin with?
@@picksalot1 If they are close to flat, replace them.
@@HighlineGuitars Sorry, I used the wrong word. I meant "level."
@@picksalot1 If you use a very fine grit of sandpaper, all you will do is rub off the Sharpie.
hi,can you help us do a fret crowing file 's review on youtube
Nice video. Do you need to make the neck perfectly straight first or just at the relief you like to play at?
I prefer straight and flat since a leveling beam is straight and flat.
Is the glass half full? 😂😂
I’m on the road but I made it
Chris, I have a question. Does SS fret wear down string faster than nickel one ?
My logic is if SS fret is harder than strings, then the latter will get eaten by the former.
I don’t know nor do I really care. Strings are cheaper than a refret.
Fixing a low fret, why not extract it and install a new fret and level it to the same level as the others.
That works on an old guitar, but not on a brand new build because replacing a low fret with another will likely result in another low fret.
@@HighlineGuitars Thank you for replying, I've just been Leveling crowning and Polishing my five string Bass. everything seems ok but will see how Iow I can set the action tomorrow.
Chris, how much of the Sharpie must be removed on a fret with the sanding beam? Most of the time my frets are very flat from too much sanding.
Just a thin strip about as wide as a plastic credit card along the center of the Sharpie line.
Is it possible to raise a low fret by putting in a shim of some sort?
No, not that I am aware of.
How can I contact you about some Ash Burrell ?
I don’t know anyone by that name.
Hi Chris. How much deeper than the fret do you cut the slot. Do you try to bottom out the fret in the slot. Love your channel! Cheers
About a tenth of an inch.
Thanks, always wondered that
Are you talking .010 or o.5 mm. Not sure what a tenth of an inch is
@@kenmccarthy-cg4xx about 1-2mm.
Thanks again
Actually no, God made chickens and the chickens laid eggs. Great guitar building vids though! 😁