Update: I apparently made a big mistake on calculating the speed of Robin, it's 144 not 155. I might've calculated 144 but typo'd it into 155 in my script ... I know some won't watch the whole video and will immediately start complaining about needing 180 speed. YOU DON'T NEED 180 SPEED. In-case you missed it in the video description, here is the link to the Fast Robin Calculator I made. It will calculate how much speed you need for Bronya in-case your Robin has less speed. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kC6cS7xpWDAkm2DA91XUwTvVs-2VVva89V4eZXaeHc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0
your vids never fails fo impress me, how every single move is so well calculated!! and especially how you explain what you are doing for slow people like me 😭 genuinely helped me plan my strat for moc. reached my first ever 0 cycle today!
I watched the previous video 2 month back and in that time I thought it was too hard to apply, because of the high speed requirament (and my bad luck with relics stats), but after playing with Robin a lot, this setup seens (TOO ME) genuinely better, especially with a low speed sustain (DPS Aventurine with 0 speed, IN MY CASE). Thanks for the video, as always amazing strategy and is very easy to understand. I personally really like your videos because this kind of content.
Awesome showcase!! Theres still a lot to learn about team compositions and tuning then to work with each other, and seeing tech get resurfaced from new relics is really cool
This was mentioned on my Topaz guide from last year. I even mentioned there specifically how it was interesting if Topaz was paired with Asta if Topaz is wearing an ATK boots. Asta will put Topaz to exactly 160 speed with her buff, creating the perfect sync with Numby. This can also be done with Hanya now.
Its amazing that u are staying calm and explaining it to them even tho most of them are telling u "why? 120sped is fine buffing robin will give her more dmge! Whats the point?" OH MY LORD I WOULD HAVE STARTED TWEAKING😭
Well, sadly for this specific case, they aren't wrong at all. Been trying fast Robin at her release and 1. It requires a real higher investment. Normal Robin only needs 13 speed substats over 6 relics while for the fast one you need more than 30 over 5 relic 2. Unless you love doing 0 cycle and actually able to pull it then this build barely relevant, especially if you consider all extra investment required 3. If you end up pairing her with Bronya (many 0 cycle strategies do), then you actually could utilize Bronya pull to do something similar without any extra investment So, well, they aren't wrong since it's only actually worth it on a real specific case
Feixiao never ran out of turn. Who needs E2 when you can have multiple turns in Cycle 0 LMAO. And jeez this was calculated so perfectly. Sustainless teams are getting out of hand. Hoyo needs to do something or else they will not be able to sell sustains in the future anymore (they won't do it, right? hopefully, yes? 🤪). Truly a "Who needs a sustain if the enemies are dead" moment.
@@LisaraScarletnow they just need to add an enemy that will actually kill you lol (enemy counter mechanics, perhaps? Would be a good way to “counter” fua teams/force a sustain)
I just noticed, this is seems to be a great tech for DoT team. No need for fine fruit on Huohuo or messy enemy rng of hoping for robin to get hit at the start of the battle.
I was able to pull off 178 speed robin with 3.6k attack and I wanted to do math vs my old build with 4.5k attack. Correct me if I'm wrong: [Robin trace is at level 9] (4500 x 0.218) + 181 = 1162 vs (3600 x 0.218) + 181 = 965.8 In this scenario, we are ONLY missing out on 196.2 ATK per team member. (588.6 collectively) Now for robins personal damage: 4500 x 1.14 = 5130 vs 3600 x 1.14 = 4104 So we're missing out on 1026 additional base damage per attack. (Idk how to compute for the 150% crit damage) These numbers don't seem as big as what I've seen some people in your comments complain about (butchering Robins ATK for speed???) and seem to be an okay trade off for robins flexibility outside of FART or Bronya/tingyun teams. It's definitely not something to aim for if you're barely able to get the rolls you need, but if you just happen to roll the right relics, It might be a worthwhile trade.
It really depends too on what you're able to do with fast robin. For example, starting Concerto State so early gave room for Sparkle to have a 4th action in the 1st wave.
one thing i wanna say is, i dont even need fast Robin to have 3 actions in the first cycle when i run the FART team. Robin with Bronyas sig, ERR rope and planar needs 9 ally actions to get her ult, and if Topaz is faster than Aventurine, and he is faster than Feixiao, yon can get it if enemies attack ANYONE once (which always happens, so no rng), because Aventurine gets 3 passive stacks from Topaz and Feixiao's turns each beacuse of follow-ups. the rotation is: Robin skill (i run Robin on vonwacq for comfort, but it doesnt matter, she will act first becasue of her AA, so the new ERR planar is the bis on her) Topaz basic or skill (then Feixiao and Numby follow-up, so 3 actions and 3 stacks for Aventurne) Topaz ult, so Numby acts after Feixiao turn Aventurine basic (Aventurine resets the stack generation from follow-ups, at 4 actions rn) Feixiao skill (then Feixiao, Numby, Feixiao again follow up, so 8 actions, and if Aventurine does his follow-up, its the 9th action and Robin gets her ult). with this setup i 0-cycled Kafka in the last Moc, but because i dont have any limited Eidolons or Lightcones, i couldnt 0-cycle Aventurine or Hoolay.
No one said you need it. No one asked for your rotation. I know about getting Robin's ULT using Bronya's signature. If you're trying to make an excuse that you can't 0-cycle Aventurine or Hoolay due to the lack of limited eidolons or light cones, then I could teach you how instead. 0-Cycle Aventurine th-cam.com/video/hPF4yJMRRwg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-MMl3s1ixEfDk5SH 0-Cycle Hoolay th-cam.com/video/Z8Pm2XjzDrw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qu-Ob_zXJuaDSi1E Both runs don't use Aventurine so that is 1 less limited character used. Basically 1 cost less than yours. Lastly, the fact that this tech doesn't need Bronya, Sparkle, Tingyun or any other character means it can open up other strategies. Think outside the box.
@@LisaraScarlet@LisaraScarlet Im sorry bro, I just wanted to share a strategy i found to other people in the comments - im sure you already knew about it. And ive tried your anti hoolay strategy, and i just don't deal enough damage to clear even first half, because my ddd is only s1, and i dont have insane eagle relics to meet both speed and damage requierments. But i need some advice, in the video it says that i need 146 speed on Bronya with s1 ddd, and mine has 147 displayed in game, but still couldnt get her last action before the cycle ended, why did that happen?
@@jabs947 Not in this case. You're talking about individual performance. Robin in this team means everyone have bloated ATK which causes diminishing returns.
What's the general build for robin? I just do a general build that i use everywhere including su modes. So what should be better for that high attack or high speed builds?
i absolutely love fast robin and have been running her since your ratio clear back during her release :) random question, how do you think sunday's release might affect your 0 cycle clears since i notice you make use of bronya a LOT. do you think he is a priority pull? (based from what we know in V1). great video as always!
@@LisaraScarlet ohh, this makes total sense! i'm very sorry if that seemed disrespectful, genuinely had no idea about such policies and will be mindful about this in the future. great video nonetheless!
You can use a different and more effective strategy than this, I just had to use signature LCs because Topaz kinda sucks in this team. Try this th-cam.com/video/Z8Pm2XjzDrw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fIvShm4XQNR_d_W8
Ordeal set can be good for certain setups but I still prefer Eagle. Eagle just opens such a good strat with Robin. It was showcased here th-cam.com/video/-MrkTzRvip0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ekxnNYMq2qZSJ62x&t=151 timestamped for you. This was BY FAR the safest strat against Hoolay.
Yep, it's different. FARM team has no one to get Robin her ULT asap unless she equips Bronya signature, right? Then yea, this setup should be good there especially if everyone is speed tuned to the 134 speed breakpoint.
My fei/robin/topaz team with a sustain can also 0c, but uses e1 robin and e1 topaz. How many of those eidolons do you think can be substituted for having even in that sustain slot (I don't have him) and still 0c? Just e1 robin needed? or no eids?
@@LisaraScarlet My interpretation: Team comp: Feixiao / E1 Robin / E1 Topaz / Sustain (not Aventurine) If commenter had Aven, how necessary/important would the eidolons be for 0-cycling?
She managed to get two turns within 75 AV (134 spd breakpoint). Cuz of that, she can fill her ult by herself without the help of other teammates like Bronya's Adv Action or Fine Fruit.
For me the hardest part about building fast DPSs is the low dmg I've tried the 160spd topaz and it did work but significantly low dmg And as for robin yeah it's a tough one to build her 180spd But what difference would it make vs advancing her with bronya to get her ult ?
@@LisaraScarlet hmmmm But wouldn't we benefit from bronya advance+full atk (err rope only) robin That way her buff would be stronger and her dmg would be higher because of bronya extra dmg I know that without bronya the 180spd strategy would actually be good considering we will run a sustain instead of bronya But aside from that Which one do you prefer This strategy or bronya advance strategy?
@@aboodjrekh9962 Bronya's skill buff doesn't stay on Robin. You need to buff Robin again after she enters Concerto State if you really wanna buff her damage. Less ATK on Robin matters less. She only shares 22.8% of her ATK. So for every 100 ATK lost on her, she loses 22.8 ATK buff which barely matters when your characters are reaching 3000 ATK.
Here i'm, still farming eagle-set for 3 characters and yet to get something good... FFS, all i need is spd-eff.res and crit dmg for sparkle and bronya, spd crit rate and crit dmg for my feixiao
He should be good in this team but Ratio cannot handle the current bosses. Maybe with a sustain but obviously, that means no 0-cycle. Although ... there's that Lingsha Jade team I showcased, maybe he could replace Jade? I could try ...
its nice and all but robin also needs atk more than speed. She only needs about 120 speed. So its better to fish for it in substats and not just throw away those +12% atk boost from 2 pieces
She only shares 22.8% of her ATK. Every 100 ATK lost, it only reduces her ATK buff by 22.8. I get what you're trying to say but you are overestimating the effect of any extra ATK on Robin. This is the same logic with Bronya and Sparkle where people think getting an extra 10~20% CDMG is massive when all it gives is 5% or less CDMG to teammates.
@@LisaraScarlet But its literally at best 24% atk lost and maybe even 36& depending on your planars. Well, anyway. Im not a content maker and I dont have those spreadsheets with math so idk whats better, i just thought that 120 speed and around 4k atk is what we should aim for esp with signature
@@vermilion6966 Punch this in the calculator. Carry usually has 3000 ATK with Robin. 28.8/3000 = the % damage you lost every 100 ATK lost from Robin. This is the "precious" ATK you're losing.
@@vermilion6966 as a fellow casual, Robin strongest asset is her advance forward anyway, her buff is pretty good, but you aren't losing THAT much by substitution of ATK for SPD, while benefits might be good, like getting Robin ult without relying on RNG of enemy hitting ur Robin, thus it allows you to advance your entire team to earlier action value, because if you use robin ult later, you can lose some turns But if you ain't interested in zero cycling, then I guess you are fine without that tech anyway, this video is for those interested in zero cycling, this tech solves issue of enemy having to hit you once or twice to get your ult. Also this tech has good potential even outside of zero cycling, cuz more speed = more Robin turns, more Robin turns = more potential energy & even more potential skillpoints (?) Again, not really sure about all benefits, but it seems quite practical and useful if you think about it more. Do you have to do it? No, but it's viable pathway for her I guess. At this point, people are searching for more techs for Robin, which just proves how broken she is...
i hate this boss, bro attacks 500 times in 1 cycle my ff is struggling to kill this mf even if i manage to break his shields he recovers too fast even with ruan mei's ult. even my hmc have s3 DDD i still cant clear it, yeah maybe a skill issue on my part
Probably a good idea to calculate how much damage is lost since it is pretty basic math. Feixiao can reach 4000 ATK typically with Robin. For every 100 extra ATK Robin gets, she gives Feixiao 22.8 more ATK. Now punch this into your calculator, 22.8 divided by 4000. The result is the % damage lost per 100 less ATK on Robin.
@@opietaylorpiano I feel like you just want me to do the math for you unironically. Every 100 ATK Robin loses means 180 less damage for her additional attacks. Is that something you would call "butchering" her damage output? You argue'd you can just use Tingyun's ULT on her but ever thought about using Tingyun's ULT on the damage dealer which gives them a 60% DMG buff instead of that buff going to Robin? Think.
all that speed on Robin just only for Bronya to forward Feixiao instead of Robin once, and it was only for Feixiao to basic attack…. right.. Seems so not worth it no ty
Or, you know. Maybe not limit the application to Feixiao Bronya teams because the tech doesn't need them? :) I just showcased Feixiao Topaz because people have been asking for it.
Lmao 180 SPD, is this game really so boring for you guys that you invent insane challenges for yourself, I am fully f2p and clear every MoC fullstars with minimum grinding in relic caves, my 121 SPD E0S0 Robin is enough for my Feixiao team, and Feixiao herself is slow asf too, why trying so hard, it's a casual game with no competitive mode anyways.
Challenges are always fun. You can see the absolute limit of your team comps at a certain investment threshold. It's not that it's necessary to do, but it's very enjoyable to see an optimized run take down the flavor of the fortnight with loads of time to spare.
even though I don't do 0 cycle stuff, comments like this are kinda annoying to me frfr. it's not about *needing* to do this. it's just about ppl exploring the systems and seeing what they can do with it, or how far they can push it. for most average players, they won't ever need to do any of the stuff, or really watch any cc cover the game. that being said, even if you don't do this stuff, sometimes there's still things you can extrapolate from these kinds of vids. y'all gotta stop being weird about how ppl want to enjoy games. when ppl do stuff like "no summon" in souls games or whatever, nobody has this energy. it's only when y'all deem something "casual" that this talking point comes up, and it's hella tiresome and reductive.
Update: I apparently made a big mistake on calculating the speed of Robin, it's 144 not 155. I might've calculated 144 but typo'd it into 155 in my script ...
I know some won't watch the whole video and will immediately start complaining about needing 180 speed. YOU DON'T NEED 180 SPEED. In-case you missed it in the video description, here is the link to the Fast Robin Calculator I made. It will calculate how much speed you need for Bronya in-case your Robin has less speed.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kC6cS7xpWDAkm2DA91XUwTvVs-2VVva89V4eZXaeHc0/edit?gid=0#gid=0
that will require them to read here thou :V
I know some people will complain, that's why I mastered the art of not giving a F.
Just ignore those clowns, Nice Video 👍
@Lisara Scarlet For Sparkle, Ordeal, WindSet or Rainbow(hackerspace+ordeal)?
You're not alone on this one, people made fun of me for playing a fast robin setup in the past, people just don't see the vision
This showcase was practically a zoo, we have a pig, a bird a fox and a wolf
And then there's Bronya, the caretaker
Ain't making sense, but okay!
@@justsleep427 Numby = pig, Robin = bird, Feixiao = fox, Hoolay = wolf
@@izuyuhno..they did not mean jiaoqiu
insane strats!
also, "wait for the fox and pig" sounds like some ancient proverb 😂
"not looking too hard to reach now"
My RNG: You sure about that?
your vids never fails fo impress me, how every single move is so well calculated!! and especially how you explain what you are doing for slow people like me 😭 genuinely helped me plan my strat for moc. reached my first ever 0 cycle today!
Congrats!
I watched the previous video 2 month back and in that time I thought it was too hard to apply, because of the high speed requirament (and my bad luck with relics stats), but after playing with Robin a lot, this setup seens (TOO ME) genuinely better, especially with a low speed sustain (DPS Aventurine with 0 speed, IN MY CASE).
Thanks for the video, as always amazing strategy and is very easy to understand. I personally really like your videos because this kind of content.
Awesome showcase!! Theres still a lot to learn about team compositions and tuning then to work with each other, and seeing tech get resurfaced from new relics is really cool
Yea this can be utilized by Sparkle too and create some weird setup. I'm trying to cook something for it.
You are the best content creator who actually know how to play the game. This strat was insane. Still waiting for that Rappa guide.
I've never seen topaz speed tuning for numby before
This was mentioned on my Topaz guide from last year. I even mentioned there specifically how it was interesting if Topaz was paired with Asta if Topaz is wearing an ATK boots. Asta will put Topaz to exactly 160 speed with her buff, creating the perfect sync with Numby. This can also be done with Hanya now.
@@LisaraScarletWhat about Robin E2?
@@YASUOMURAMASA You mean hitting 160 speed through Robin E2? That's possible.
@@LisaraScarletso in a generic FART team, should topaz be using spd boots? Ive been running atk since so many follow ups adv numby anyway
@@Kronman590 Don't really need.
Its amazing that u are staying calm and explaining it to them even tho most of them are telling u "why? 120sped is fine buffing robin will give her more dmge! Whats the point?" OH MY LORD I WOULD HAVE STARTED TWEAKING😭
Well, sadly for this specific case, they aren't wrong at all. Been trying fast Robin at her release and
1. It requires a real higher investment. Normal Robin only needs 13 speed substats over 6 relics while for the fast one you need more than 30 over 5 relic
2. Unless you love doing 0 cycle and actually able to pull it then this build barely relevant, especially if you consider all extra investment required
3. If you end up pairing her with Bronya (many 0 cycle strategies do), then you actually could utilize Bronya pull to do something similar without any extra investment
So, well, they aren't wrong since it's only actually worth it on a real specific case
Feixiao never ran out of turn. Who needs E2 when you can have multiple turns in Cycle 0 LMAO. And jeez this was calculated so perfectly.
Sustainless teams are getting out of hand. Hoyo needs to do something or else they will not be able to sell sustains in the future anymore (they won't do it, right? hopefully, yes? 🤪). Truly a "Who needs a sustain if the enemies are dead" moment.
They fixed it by selling a sustain that also kills the enemy.
@@LisaraScarletnow they just need to add an enemy that will actually kill you lol (enemy counter mechanics, perhaps? Would be a good way to “counter” fua teams/force a sustain)
There are some mechanics that can alleviate the problem. Monster example : Dreamjolt winder goon
last time I pulled a limited sustain when Loucha first banner came out xd
@@LisaraScarlet Yeah Lingsha does exist
acheron in the background SERVING 💅
Forgor that Fast Robin enables 134 SPD teams. Looking very neat for a 0-cycle tech indeed.
I just noticed, this is seems to be a great tech for DoT team. No need for fine fruit on Huohuo or messy enemy rng of hoping for robin to get hit at the start of the battle.
That is actually true!
Please, share the specific DoT team you are referring to. I would really like to try it. Thank you for your time.
@@AsUdE8 Just your regular DoT team with Kafka+Black Swan+Robin+Huohuo.
@@Xhaune Ah yes, thank you for sharing.
"wait for the fox and pig" is funny
I was able to pull off 178 speed robin with 3.6k attack and I wanted to do math vs my old build with 4.5k attack. Correct me if I'm wrong:
[Robin trace is at level 9]
(4500 x 0.218) + 181 = 1162
vs
(3600 x 0.218) + 181 = 965.8
In this scenario, we are ONLY missing out on 196.2 ATK per team member. (588.6 collectively)
Now for robins personal damage:
4500 x 1.14 = 5130
vs
3600 x 1.14 = 4104
So we're missing out on 1026 additional base damage per attack. (Idk how to compute for the 150% crit damage)
These numbers don't seem as big as what I've seen some people in your comments complain about (butchering Robins ATK for speed???) and seem to be an okay trade off for robins flexibility outside of FART or Bronya/tingyun teams.
It's definitely not something to aim for if you're barely able to get the rolls you need, but if you just happen to roll the right relics, It might be a worthwhile trade.
It really depends too on what you're able to do with fast robin. For example, starting Concerto State so early gave room for Sparkle to have a 4th action in the 1st wave.
I was waiting for this!
tbh hsr is the first game i played that need this much calculation on speed tuning
no one is faster than my 200 speed sparkle 😂
typo aside i am so frustrated that u have so many good eagle pieces im dying over here
one thing i wanna say is, i dont even need fast Robin to have 3 actions in the first cycle when i run the FART team. Robin with Bronyas sig, ERR rope and planar needs 9 ally actions to get her ult, and if Topaz is faster than Aventurine, and he is faster than Feixiao, yon can get it if enemies attack ANYONE once (which always happens, so no rng), because Aventurine gets 3 passive stacks from Topaz and Feixiao's turns each beacuse of follow-ups.
the rotation is:
Robin skill (i run Robin on vonwacq for comfort, but it doesnt matter, she will act first becasue of her AA, so the new ERR planar is the bis on her)
Topaz basic or skill (then Feixiao and Numby follow-up, so 3 actions and 3 stacks for Aventurne)
Topaz ult, so Numby acts after Feixiao turn
Aventurine basic (Aventurine resets the stack generation from follow-ups, at 4 actions rn)
Feixiao skill (then Feixiao, Numby, Feixiao again follow up, so 8 actions, and if Aventurine does his follow-up, its the 9th action and Robin gets her ult).
with this setup i 0-cycled Kafka in the last Moc, but because i dont have any limited Eidolons or Lightcones, i couldnt 0-cycle Aventurine or Hoolay.
No one said you need it. No one asked for your rotation. I know about getting Robin's ULT using Bronya's signature. If you're trying to make an excuse that you can't 0-cycle Aventurine or Hoolay due to the lack of limited eidolons or light cones, then I could teach you how instead.
0-Cycle Aventurine th-cam.com/video/hPF4yJMRRwg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-MMl3s1ixEfDk5SH
0-Cycle Hoolay th-cam.com/video/Z8Pm2XjzDrw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qu-Ob_zXJuaDSi1E
Both runs don't use Aventurine so that is 1 less limited character used. Basically 1 cost less than yours.
Lastly, the fact that this tech doesn't need Bronya, Sparkle, Tingyun or any other character means it can open up other strategies. Think outside the box.
@@LisaraScarlet@LisaraScarlet Im sorry bro, I just wanted to share a strategy i found to other people in the comments - im sure you already knew about it.
And ive tried your anti hoolay strategy, and i just don't deal enough damage to clear even first half, because my ddd is only s1, and i dont have insane eagle relics to meet both speed and damage requierments.
But i need some advice, in the video it says that i need 146 speed on Bronya with s1 ddd, and mine has 147 displayed in game, but still couldnt get her last action before the cycle ended, why did that happen?
Ooo now I want to try this with JL Bronya Gal team!
1:00 Robin with Messenger + Ordeal + SPD boot = 144 SPD. How did you get this result of 155 SPD?
Wait, now that you mentioned it, I miscalculated somewhere. You're right, it's only 144. I'll update the pinned post.
waiting for the new Apoc shadow content!
2:26 why did you use robins ultimate only after topaz’s enhanced FUA? was it not better to buff it?
If I do that, everyone will move first before the pig.
@@LisaraScarlet thanks🙏
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Respect 🫡
Insane Topaz relics. 3.1k atk while having almost 160 spd
It is an ATK sphere, it should be a Fire sphere but I don't have one for Izumo.
@@LisaraScarlet either should be good, it's the substats that matters anyway.
ele vs atk is like what more or less 10%?
@@jabs947 Not in this case. You're talking about individual performance. Robin in this team means everyone have bloated ATK which causes diminishing returns.
What's the general build for robin? I just do a general build that i use everywhere including su modes.
So what should be better for that high attack or high speed builds?
120 speed + Vonwacq. Done.
@@LisaraScarlet but I just farmed the lushaka set do i need to farm vonwacq again? Or can i do something without vonwacq
@@subhransusekhardash8124 120 SPD with Lushaka is fine too. Unless you have teammates that are absurdly fast (160+ speed).
@@LisaraScarlet ah i see. Does this also work in other modes like as pf and su?
@@subhransusekhardash8124 Should be fine. I mean you want something that works in general. Don't expect it to be the best for everything though.
It is times like now that I realize
I am actually bad at this game 😂
weird knowledge added
Does this strategy work with slow bronya and no eagle feixiao?
It does. However, Hoolay fight is very dangerous so using the plain 134 speed breakpoint there can be very risky.
@@LisaraScarlet is robin lower att hinder much for her buffing capability etc?
i absolutely love fast robin and have been running her since your ratio clear back during her release :)
random question, how do you think sunday's release might affect your 0 cycle clears since i notice you make use of bronya a LOT. do you think he is a priority pull? (based from what we know in V1). great video as always!
I don't know Sunday's kit and I can't discuss leaks as a HoyoCreator.
@@LisaraScarlet ohh, this makes total sense! i'm very sorry if that seemed disrespectful, genuinely had no idea about such policies and will be mindful about this in the future. great video nonetheless!
Great video and explanation, just a question , will this strategy work with robin E0S0 ?
You can use a different and more effective strategy than this, I just had to use signature LCs because Topaz kinda sucks in this team. Try this th-cam.com/video/Z8Pm2XjzDrw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fIvShm4XQNR_d_W8
what is the best planar for Robin?
Vonwaq or fleet of the ageless
Currently my robin e1 use fleet of the ageless
As long as the planar set works for the carry, the ranking is Penacony > Keel > Lushaka > Ageless. Vonwacq is only for very specific strategies.
@Lisara Scarlet For Sparkle, Ordeal, WindSet or Rainbow(hackerspace+ordeal) ?
Ordeal set can be good for certain setups but I still prefer Eagle. Eagle just opens such a good strat with Robin. It was showcased here th-cam.com/video/-MrkTzRvip0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ekxnNYMq2qZSJ62x&t=151 timestamped for you. This was BY FAR the safest strat against Hoolay.
@@LisaraScarlet Thanks
is this useful on a FARM team? i understand the concept of hyperspeed robin but it’s a separate strategy from windset + ddd bronya, correct?
Yep, it's different. FARM team has no one to get Robin her ULT asap unless she equips Bronya signature, right? Then yea, this setup should be good there especially if everyone is speed tuned to the 134 speed breakpoint.
@@LisaraScarlet thanks
My fei/robin/topaz team with a sustain can also 0c, but uses e1 robin and e1 topaz. How many of those eidolons do you think can be substituted for having even in that sustain slot (I don't have him) and still 0c? Just e1 robin needed? or no eids?
I'm confused. I don't understand the question at all.
@@LisaraScarlet
My interpretation:
Team comp: Feixiao / E1 Robin / E1 Topaz / Sustain (not Aventurine)
If commenter had Aven, how necessary/important would the eidolons be for 0-cycling?
Could you do a Hoolay 0 cycle with Fei, March and Sparkle?
th-cam.com/video/-MrkTzRvip0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5gnRr8esq69BFofR&t=151 Stamped for you.
@@LisaraScarlet Thanks!
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Are you using the new set in the video? Just wondering because I didn’t see it in your builds section.
No because I could reach 176 with 2pc Messenger and 2pc Musketeer. Builds are near the end.
Since wisadel is pretty near, care to make true 0c w showcase?
She can 0c Patriot and his good squad with a buff army.
Just curious, where did 180spd Robin actually mattered in the showcase?
She started Concerto State on her own. It was explained right at the beginning ...
She managed to get two turns within 75 AV (134 spd breakpoint). Cuz of that, she can fill her ult by herself without the help of other teammates like Bronya's Adv Action or Fine Fruit.
Cool strat, but why? No speed Robin with s1 or bronya's sig can ult in Feixiao teams before 75 av with Moze or Topaz
I don't know why you're telling me that either. This isn't my only Robin showcase.
For me the hardest part about building fast DPSs is the low dmg
I've tried the 160spd topaz and it did work but significantly low dmg
And as for robin yeah it's a tough one to build her 180spd
But what difference would it make vs advancing her with bronya to get her ult ?
You can see that instead of pushing Robin, Bronya pushed the carry instead.
@@LisaraScarlet hmmmm
But wouldn't we benefit from bronya advance+full atk (err rope only) robin
That way her buff would be stronger and her dmg would be higher because of bronya extra dmg
I know that without bronya the 180spd strategy would actually be good considering we will run a sustain instead of bronya
But aside from that
Which one do you prefer
This strategy or bronya advance strategy?
@@aboodjrekh9962 Bronya's skill buff doesn't stay on Robin. You need to buff Robin again after she enters Concerto State if you really wanna buff her damage.
Less ATK on Robin matters less. She only shares 22.8% of her ATK. So for every 100 ATK lost on her, she loses 22.8 ATK buff which barely matters when your characters are reaching 3000 ATK.
would this be possible with Moze instead of Topaz?
Moze doesn't fit in this 2nd half due to his element.
I actually curious about lushaka if i use it for another character to boost robin atk, will it work? 😅😅
It works but remember she is only sharing 22.8% of her ATK. Technically, she only shares 2.73% ATK.
@@LisaraScarlet i see thanks, look forward for your rappa. Just got rappa today ☺️
Is it worth it to actually farm for 180 spd Robin?
No unless you want to do fancy 0 Cycle MoCs but again you need tons of relics for. speed tuning. This is a just a showcase.
It's pretty good on auto too so there's that.
ofc no until you are bored to the death
@@LisaraScarlet Interesting thanks
@@LisaraScarlet auto?! say less, lmfao.
to be clear, I'm saying that this has me intrigued, and not being like weird or combatative or whatever.
Here i'm, still farming eagle-set for 3 characters and yet to get something good... FFS, all i need is spd-eff.res and crit dmg for sparkle and bronya, spd crit rate and crit dmg for my feixiao
What about dr ratio?
He should be good in this team but Ratio cannot handle the current bosses. Maybe with a sustain but obviously, that means no 0-cycle. Although ... there's that Lingsha Jade team I showcased, maybe he could replace Jade? I could try ...
hah, already got a 10spd and an 8 spd piece from the new cavern 😎
on scholar set
A proud owner of two cd chest pieces here... on the scholar set with rubbish substats.
its nice and all but robin also needs atk more than speed. She only needs about 120 speed. So its better to fish for it in substats and not just throw away those +12% atk boost from 2 pieces
She only shares 22.8% of her ATK. Every 100 ATK lost, it only reduces her ATK buff by 22.8. I get what you're trying to say but you are overestimating the effect of any extra ATK on Robin. This is the same logic with Bronya and Sparkle where people think getting an extra 10~20% CDMG is massive when all it gives is 5% or less CDMG to teammates.
@@LisaraScarlet But its literally at best 24% atk lost and maybe even 36& depending on your planars.
Well, anyway. Im not a content maker and I dont have those spreadsheets with math so idk whats better, i just thought that 120 speed and around 4k atk is what we should aim for esp with signature
@@vermilion6966 Punch this in the calculator. Carry usually has 3000 ATK with Robin. 28.8/3000 = the % damage you lost every 100 ATK lost from Robin. This is the "precious" ATK you're losing.
@@vermilion6966 as a fellow casual, Robin strongest asset is her advance forward anyway, her buff is pretty good, but you aren't losing THAT much by substitution of ATK for SPD, while benefits might be good, like getting Robin ult without relying on RNG of enemy hitting ur Robin, thus it allows you to advance your entire team to earlier action value, because if you use robin ult later, you can lose some turns
But if you ain't interested in zero cycling, then I guess you are fine without that tech anyway, this video is for those interested in zero cycling, this tech solves issue of enemy having to hit you once or twice to get your ult. Also this tech has good potential even outside of zero cycling, cuz more speed = more Robin turns, more Robin turns = more potential energy & even more potential skillpoints (?)
Again, not really sure about all benefits, but it seems quite practical and useful if you think about it more. Do you have to do it? No, but it's viable pathway for her I guess. At this point, people are searching for more techs for Robin, which just proves how broken she is...
My robin is in the break set because of ruan mei lc... But i might do this when i oulled her lc
If i have DDD lv4 what speed i need in this team
140.
@@LisaraScarlet all character?
@@KhoiNguyen-wo1pk Depends on your setup.
Nice
Is rappa eagle set good?
I haven't seen the need for it yet.
@@LisaraScarlet i see, thanks for answering! Can't wait for your apocalyptic shadow run
Will Sparkle work?
I'm planning to do one for Sparkle. It needs a different kind of planning.
1:44 fastet than sparkle 😂 ?
Oops! Typo. Supposed to be Bronya.
@@LisaraScarlet lol no prob, actually cool vid .. im gonna try it
i hate this boss, bro attacks 500 times in 1 cycle my ff is struggling to kill this mf even if i manage to break his shields he recovers too fast even with ruan mei's ult. even my hmc have s3 DDD i still cant clear it, yeah maybe a skill issue on my part
Prob not a good idea to butcher robins atk for a lil speed, can use Tingyun to hit concerto in zero cycle if that’s your goal.
Probably a good idea to calculate how much damage is lost since it is pretty basic math. Feixiao can reach 4000 ATK typically with Robin. For every 100 extra ATK Robin gets, she gives Feixiao 22.8 more ATK. Now punch this into your calculator, 22.8 divided by 4000. The result is the % damage lost per 100 less ATK on Robin.
@@LisaraScarlet you know Robin does dmg also…
@@opietaylorpiano I feel like you just want me to do the math for you unironically.
Every 100 ATK Robin loses means 180 less damage for her additional attacks. Is that something you would call "butchering" her damage output?
You argue'd you can just use Tingyun's ULT on her but ever thought about using Tingyun's ULT on the damage dealer which gives them a 60% DMG buff instead of that buff going to Robin?
Think.
@@LisaraScarlet ah I see the problem, you’re mentally ill. Sorry to have bothered you
Sadly she can't use the 4pc set, I'll never forgive Sunday
all that speed on Robin just only for Bronya to forward Feixiao instead of Robin once, and it was only for Feixiao to basic attack…. right.. Seems so not worth it no ty
Or, you know. Maybe not limit the application to Feixiao Bronya teams because the tech doesn't need them? :)
I just showcased Feixiao Topaz because people have been asking for it.
Exactly!!! Why shove a square peg into a round hole. Doesn’t make any sense at all when there’s 100 other ways to 0 cycle much more efficiently
No one will build that 180spd bc 120spd with bron-tingyun Too easy😂
And no one said everyone should build it :)
fast robin was never a thing 120 speed was the meta.
Think outside of the box
@@Zincoxide. and be inefficient? lol no
thats what a broke relicless person would say.
120 speed robin was never the meta, just the easiest way to play for casuals ans noobs.
@@darkkforce literally on prydwen and by many lol what idiot 🤣
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Lmao 180 SPD, is this game really so boring for you guys that you invent insane challenges for yourself, I am fully f2p and clear every MoC fullstars with minimum grinding in relic caves, my 121 SPD E0S0 Robin is enough for my Feixiao team, and Feixiao herself is slow asf too, why trying so hard, it's a casual game with no competitive mode anyways.
Challenges are always fun. You can see the absolute limit of your team comps at a certain investment threshold. It's not that it's necessary to do, but it's very enjoyable to see an optimized run take down the flavor of the fortnight with loads of time to spare.
Aww that's so petty of you.
Congrats I guess..... Hope people give you more love that you're craving
even though I don't do 0 cycle stuff, comments like this are kinda annoying to me frfr. it's not about *needing* to do this. it's just about ppl exploring the systems and seeing what they can do with it, or how far they can push it. for most average players, they won't ever need to do any of the stuff, or really watch any cc cover the game. that being said, even if you don't do this stuff, sometimes there's still things you can extrapolate from these kinds of vids.
y'all gotta stop being weird about how ppl want to enjoy games. when ppl do stuff like "no summon" in souls games or whatever, nobody has this energy. it's only when y'all deem something "casual" that this talking point comes up, and it's hella tiresome and reductive.
Imagine wasting 10000+ energy to get a speed substat on an energy rope so you can pull this off lol
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