A few errors: 1. At 01:40, that model was a wind tunnel model of J-9VI, a project that was ultimately abandoned because China did not have the technical capabilities in the late 1970's. 2. JF-17 is not "leaps and bounds" ahead of the J-10. JF-17 was meant to be an affordable replacement for countries looking to upgrade their Mig-21s, while J-10 was supposed to be a mainstay design similar to F-16. J-10 is the better platform. 3. Flanker derivatives such as J-16 and J-15 will continued to be produced alongside J-20. These will focus on strike and support roles (EW).
Supplement: the JF-17 is the evolution of so-called "Super-7", a project to redesign and vastly improving the performance of PLAAF's Mig-21(J-7s), with redesigned front fuselage that have side intakes, LEX, and change the wing to be crank delta or trapezoid shape. The design was made by Grumman. (A funny rumor I heard from what it is said to be someone worked in CAC: Chengdu also received Boeing's bidding, which they didn't invite at all, and claimed they could be at least 300,000 USD cheaper than Grumman's price. CAC's ppl are feeling strange, asked "then how do you earned from the project?" And guess what Boeing answered? "I don't want profit, I just want to keep sure Grumman will died.") The Super-7 project ended because of something we all know (ke-eh), and CAC still keep all the results on their side. They keep evolving the design, eventually became a brand-new aircraft that could be a modern Mig-21 replacer. And, of course, there's still a Chinese Mig-21 variant that looked pretty like the Super-7 design concept, the FTC-2000 "Mountain Eagle" of Guizhou. It was firstly designed to be a low-cost upgrade of current JJ-7(twin-seat Mig-21 trainer) fleet to let them meet the performance to training 4th gen fighter pilot, and now also being sold as another low-price modern Mig-21 replacer solution.
@@jeffery7281 I actually cannot express how genuinely criminaly underated this comment actually is and this world and community actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me and out of all the languages that you chose to speak you chose to speak facts
@@moorsoldaten4174 Nonsense. Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar. Likewise Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet.
The one thing I have noticed about the Chinese military is that if they are willing to show their new hardware to you on their CCTV channel or Chinese military documentary or even up close, meaning they have already moved on and is in the process of developing their next generation hardware or whatever projects that will surpass the current hardware. Based on how much money the PLA is putting into the R&D, highly likely multiple projects is in the making.
@@high-captain-BaLrog China normally play close to the chest, keeping almost everything a state secret, not very transparent about their military projects. Due to everyone having a phone these days, it also become harder for the Chinese to keep everything hidden. Unlike most other nations where the state often disclose limited information of their hardware to their parliament. I think this is just how things work in China I guess. Even thought the public already know about the J-20 project, the Chinese government took a long time to admitting having such a project and the deployment of J-20 also took 2 more years where the PLA has already deployed them.
Correction, the thermal sensors are not inspired by F-35. It is in fact a Soviet focus, whilst the Americans dropped it and went with active radar. It has only been a decade since US re-focus back on thermal sensors because they got wrecked in F-22 and F-35 duels vs French fighter jets with thermal sensors. US stealth was bypassed easily it shocked the US airforce into action. Hence, Raytheon developed thermal sensor pods for upgrading F-16, F-15 and F-18s, and the design of F-35 incorporates thermal sensors finally. China has very advanced thermal sensors, more more than EU/US because they have been specializing in it from Soviet era.
@@lagrangewei Your logic is pretty funny, the Su-27 series that PLAAF has been using for 30 years has also been equipped with thermal sensors from the start, so why take inspiration from F-35?
You fail your analysis in one main area. 1. Due to the massive microprocessor difference, the thermal sensors in Soviet and Russian aircraft lag behind those used in even western aircraft like the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon, let alone those used on the F-35. It doesn't matter how long you used them for if due to your own industry, you don't have the capabilities to improve upon them to a sufficient degree.
The fact that they already have over 300 of them, and can produce over 100 a year, and their relative low cost of operation, makes this the best fighter by default. The best combination of quantity and quality.
This is what makes it scary, similar to what makes the Russian military scary; Pure numbers. We can only hope the US/NATO can keep pace. The Pacific conflict of this decade is upon us.
The biggest problem for Westerners is the habit of using a few images and lenses to peek into the whole of China, which has led to serious deviations or even complete errors in Westerners' understanding of China. These are actually not the most terrifying. What is frightening is that the sense of superiority established by Westerners since the Industrial Revolution makes them choose to ignore objective facts, subconsciously feeling that they will always stand on the high ground of truth, although sometimes it may seem ridiculous.
Although I have watched too many videos on TH-cam about aviation and aircraft but again and again I come to this channel to hear the cool Aussei ascent as well as watch aviation
@@marko1263Decades later the F22's true ability is still highly classified. They aren't even aloud to show it's true maneuverability at air shows. It's hyped for a reason.
Americans overhype on low RCS stealth when modern sensors are all passive thermal & laser range-finder with imaging hardware. These can spot & track stealth from up to 70km away on modern EU sensors, and China has even more advanced variants with classified capabilities.
America used to let turkey use the f 35 "stealth" fighters years ago, turkey also uses the Russian s-400 anti-air and noticed they can see and track the f 35's on them, america has never deployed the f 35 anywhere near Russian tech since then.
@@tylerdurden4006 Nonsense. The Israeli air force has been flying like 200 missions per day using the F35 and flying over Russia built S400's. The S400 hasn't been able to target one. Not even one time. The S400 isn't very good as Ukraine has proven. The S400 is good at shooting down Russian air craft. Also the s400 targets Ukrainian drones by becoming a suicide SAM when the drone hits it.
1:59 The JF-17 was not "leaps and bounds" ahead of the J10. The JF-17 was primarily made to be cheap and for the export market, primarily as a joint venture with Pakistan. It's why the PLAAF doesn't use the JF-17 themselves. Pakistan has also purchased the export variant of the J10C which it also largely regards as an upgrade to the JF-17. The JF-17 is designed to be fast , light and most importantly CHEAP to both manufacture and to maintain so that it can be attractive to developing countries. But it lacks the range and payload capacity of the J10 which is why the JF-17 was never adopted by the PLAAF.
@@crinklecut3790 the internal designation of the JF17 is Super-7, it basically the J7 with a new airframe to house a modern radar. Pakistan however was operating the F16, so they rename it JF17. JF17 is a designation of China, but Pakistan. Lookheed Martin was actually involved in the program before USSR collapse, US saw the value of a cheap chinese fighter on the borders of USSR... after the collapse of USSR neither US nor China has interest to continue the project, as China was also able to simply buy the latest Sukhoi fighter from a defunct Russian state. so the project was sold to Pakistan.
then why are the Taiwanese hugging the legs of America when the J20 is not a plane.. By your logic the F16Vs would get the job done but Taiwan still asking for more from USA.. You hallucinating or what?
@@mrtan1309 If you think China can fake 40 years of industry expertise from stolen blueprints you must be. I'll be worried about the J20 when China can figure out how to actually build functioning carriers.
JF17 is meant to be the compliment to Pakistani F16. The requirements are, close to F16 effectiveness, cost of mig21, and can be produced by Pakistan locally. Seemingly impossible mission accomplished in around 30 years after numerous changes to requirements. Collaboration partners include all 5 permanent UNSC members. The customer even dropped out once , which almost killed the project. And yet it finally delivered and exceeded expectations. The story is much more interesting than that of the J20s. But the aircraft is meant to be as cheap as possible not like J10 which goes toe to toe against F16 in performance.
Other than the fact that it doesn't approach 30nyear old F-16 performance, sure. The -17 is a good bird for the money, but it's more like an F-5E in overall aerdynamic performance than an F-16... which lines up with the price more akin to what a modern F-5 would cost. JF-17: Mach 1.6, combat *range* 900km on internal fuel (with unstated external stores or flight profile), 8x hard points for a total of 8 tons of external stores (including fuel AND missiles or bombs) F-16: Mach 2, 11 hard points for up to 7.7 tons of external stores. With a combat *radius* in typical air to air configuration of over 900km - note that combat radius is, by definition.
@@geodkyt the airframe, maybe. But even F16 receives upgrade constantly and the F16V is very different than F16A. The JF17 block III has avionics close to that of the J10s, DSI inlet and can use a large number of air to air and air to ground munitions. You can hardly find anything else in the market with these. In modern air conflicts the results are more and more up to avionics and the missiles. If F5E could shoot AIM120D it would be great value for money, too. Also for the potential customers it's not just capabilities and unit cost, running costs are important, too. PLAAF is even phasing out the J10s while it is considered highend by Pakistan. Therefore this modernized F5E still makes quite a lot of sense today.
@@姜磊-n5h it's just not a competitor. Inferior speed, agility, stores, avionics, etc. there's not single item where the JF-17 outmatches current block F-16s
PAF pilots claimed JF-17 is superior, high maneuverable and easier to fly that the F-16 they have. That is why they shot down I AF Mirage, MiG-21BIS and a SU-30MKI. Really unbelievable these PAF pilots.
They flew it over taiwan for a recon mission with video proof undetected. There were no reactions from taiwanese Airforce. They were deep inside taiwan. As far as I know the missiles they carry ignore flares and seek their targets using vibration of some sort. 🤔 Target seeking using vibrations of the jets engine. Sounds like a good idea to test.
@@biingjyh This is not Samsung Apple mobile phones, do not need 7nm made of the following chip, China now has 14nm made of chip production capacity is sufficient to meet their own military needs.
The JF 17 is not better than the J 10 and it is not an equivalent to the F-16 the JF 17 is like the griffin jet from Sweden and the J-10 is like the F-16
And when I say the JF 17 is like the griffin I mean it’s like a budget version It’s almost certain that even though the griffin is a similar weight class to the JF 17 it has better sensor systems
Indeed, so many mistakes in this. One other that that stands out is that DSI is part of the plane in the very first prototype in 2011 rather than something that added later like the video is claiming. I feel his video seems to be summaries of what's on wikipedia and googling without much cross checking and verification. This make fact check when there is no authoritative source and language barrier every difficult.
The J-10 is SUPERIOR to the JF-17, just because the JF-17 was developed after the J-10 doesn't make it superior to the J-10... the JF-17 is developed from the J-7 (Mig-21) and is exclusively for export, unlike the J-10 which is in use by the PLAAF... It's like comparing the F-16 (J-10) to the F-20 (JF-17), just because the number 20 comes after 16 doesn't make the F-20 superior to the F-16 as the F-20 was just a further development of the F-5.
Unrelated but it's funny how the PLA mistranslation of 'armed forces' as 'army' has led to the People's Liberation Army Air Force and People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force, with marines deployed via carrier being presumably known as the ridiculous PLANAFA - People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force Army
Correct about the translation of "jun" (军), which originally meant army thousands of years ago but has the meaning "military" in PLA. But people also forget how most air forces started as army corps or branches, for example the USAF at one point was the United States ARMY Air Force (USAAF).
@@DanboShawHe didn't talk about any Chinese words or any "Chinese historical claim" from thousand or million years ago. He talks about English, how the Chinese military uses the English word "Army" in the wrong place. And your example is incorrect too. USAAF was literally the component of the US Army. That's why it has "Army" in the name. While the PLA (People's Liberation Army) is not the component of the Army, it's the opposite. PLA is the umbrella of PLA Army (People's Liberation Army Army), PLA Navy (People's Liberation Army Navy), and PLA Air Force (People's Liberation Army Air Force). These are the most f**ked up English I've ever seen. It should be "Chinese Armed Forces" or "Chinese Military" or "People's Liberation Military" or anything but not People's Liberation Army. 😂
@@nobodyjustme7481 No one here is talking about "historical claims", we are talking about how the English names for China's armed forces were translated.
@@DanboShaw Lol. Your comment is still there, you talking about your historical Chinese word thousand years ago when no one talked about it. He talks about the English word "Army", where "Army" is not an accurate word to replace "Armed Forces". Look again into dictionary, Army means the BRANCH of a nation's armed services that conducts military operations on LAND! That's why: US Armed Forces = correct! Japan Self-Defense Forces = correct! Republic of Korea Armed Forces = correct! Indonesian National Armed Forces= correct! People's Liberation Army = WRONG! 😂
@@nobodyjustme7481 I referred to the Chinese word JUN because that is the word in the Chinese name for the PLA, Zhongguo Renmin Jiefang JUN, that is mistranslated as "army" in People's Liberation Army, when it really should be People's Liberation Military or Armed Forces. If you read my comment as an elaboration on the original poster's comment it should have been clear that I was agreeing with it. In other words, you've been arguing when there is no disagreement.
@@PeterToth-u9u It’s so good that Xi fired the Chief Designer/Engineer. That’s not the sort of accolade one receives from designing a superior aircraft. Nice try though!
March 22 2022, the F-35s have encountered( intercept) by J-20s over East China Sea, and my understanding is that the f-35 is not invisible to Chinese AWACS, and the F35 did not detect the approaching J20.
@@kevinchan3176 Indian Air Force Rafaels were able to easily track and target the J-20. F-35s radar is significantly more powerful and accurate, and when combined with other platforms can track J-20 due to its limited reduced RCS in frontal aspect only.
Then why did PAF acquired J-10CE to counter IAF Dassault Rafale and IAF is now worried sick? Calm down before wasting time opining based on biased info. 🤔
@@mythbusterthe6749 no one in india is afraid. PAF is ordered by haramkhor army generals as people like asim munir take rishwat for his family. You must remember what napak fouj did in the past, remember 1971, and now it is doing all over, including baluchistan.
that is some bad research. the JF17 is inferior to the J10. it was effectively designed as a new airframe to use existing MiG21 hardware to create an ultra low cost yet modern capability fighter that would be easy to service... China doesn't use the JF17, they are primarily used and build by Pakistan. the J10 was comparable and above the spec of F16.
As a Chinese, I want to remind American patriots of something. If you are determined to find out what is wrong with the US military budget and equipment production, you can look back at the production of new equipment for the Air Force and Navy in 2002-2012 and 2016-2024. When the United States decided to sanction China and shifted the destination of some parts procurement to Europe and even India, the cost of your equipment procurement increased significantly, and the time took significantly longer, and there was a lot of corruption in your military industry. Your congress have more and more Indian (and maybe a president) in your parliament instead of Chinese , seriously think about who is bleeding you. If you come up with an answer similar to mine, and you can generalize it to other areas of American society, you will realize that some politicians and interest groups in the United States are trying to destroy a secular state that is not hostile to you, and that the real threat to you is never the Chinese warships, but the demographic and cultural changes taking place in your communities.
Companies rule the Western world, polititions are just their employees. The Governement is just for show. They all have huge shares in companies all around the world like the Bidens in Ukraine, Trump in Middle East and Russia..... every high profile American position answers to somebody behind the scenes in other countries. It's all a money game pretending to be old school border disputes.
@@Joseph-xq6ur very well said. China has been working very hard to develop herself with centric focus on providing a better China for the Chinese people and that includes all 56 recognized ethnic groups within China
@@kleinmonster7902 whether true or not, less than 30% of F35s are actually combat ready. And that assessment comes from America and Lloyd Austin got grilled for it. 1.5 Trillion Dollar failure..
The J-20's development, especially its rapid production and shift toward multi-role capabilities like the F-35, is impressive. However, how do you think it stacks up against the F-22 and F-35 in terms of actual combat performance? The Pentagon's recent focus on the WS-15 engine and new upgrades suggests that China's push for air superiority is serious, but do these advancements make the J-20 a real contender in the global military aviation scene?
Canards were added to improve agility and compensate for less powerful engines. As dogfight becomes an obsolete scenario, hopefully this is the last time we'll ever see canards on a modern fighter.
One thing I find quite interesting is how China is able to use the Russian flaker design and develop it into the J11/15/16. The J16 developments currently is the Chinese counterpart of the F15EX upgrade program, turning an old design into something new and more suitable for the modern battlefield.
This looks like the most lethal and well thought out of the stealth fighters. Still developing capabilities but its sized for expanding roles and tech Good looking plane especially when against the odd looking F22 and the super fugly F35
J20 had radar lock on the F35 when they met a couple of years ago. US General Wilsbach confirmed they met and came up with a cover story. Chinese trained Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters 9-0 in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar. Likewise Chinese trained Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet.
@@raafdocumentaries Absolutely no, man. th-cam.com/video/rMB3E13L4C0/w-d-xo.html ### I mean the video is good, if you can provide subtitles like last, it will be better.
Today I saw China has lazer weapon, missiles flying out in space, missiles flying mac 15 (18.000 km./H = 12.000 miles/H), they can fly half way around the world. So fast no warning time!
Western aircraft posses far superior engines, avionics, and aircraft systems and subsystems. Need proof. Look at Comac C-919. A ChiCom tube and wings. Everything else is western tech.
@@MossadDid911 And that's exactly the issue. The JF-17 a light fighter, meant to be cheap and easier to produce by Pakistan, still pretty much a MiG-21/J-7 family member. The J-10 meanwhile is an older domestic program, it's better in many dimensions but indeed received DSI later (due to being older) and by western standard isn't as "good" as the JF-17, because the JF-17 electronics and ergonomics were designed for a force already used to operate the F-16, while the J-10 was designed for a force with a very different modus operandi and training. While it would be false to say the J-10 is better than the JF-17, it's even more false to claim the JF-17 is more advanced than the J-10, or that it was intended to replace it.
the JF17 is not "leaps & bounds ahead of J10". J10 is comparable to F16 and adopted by PLAAF, the JF17 is a low cost ultimate upgrade of Mig21/J7 for export only
Chinese trained Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters 9-0 in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar. Likewise Chinese trained Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet. That puts your assumptions into perspective.
China started to develop stealth technology already in the 80s, but it experienced a real revolution when it received from Serbia the remains of a downed F-117A stealth plane that was downed in 1999. Then the Americans bombed the Chinese embassy because they believed that they would make it impossible for the Chinese to transfer everything they got from the Serbian army to China for further study. If you don't believe it, just google it on the internet and everything will be clear to you. The Serbian Army is very responsible for the creation of the Russian Su-57 and the Chinese J-20 stealth aircraft of the 5th generation. It would be nice if both the Russians and the Chinese gave Serbia a squadron of those planes.
lol, JF17 better than J10? It's an export version. J10 with its aesa radar and canard system is much more complex and sophisticated than F16 or any fighter made in the 1970s.
You can't take this video seriously when they said in 1990s China had developed the J-10, and by 2003 China had produced the JF-17, a fighter leaps and bounds AHEAD of the J-10. I mean, since when the JF-17 is leaps and bounds ahead of the J-10? This video is worthless to me.
Bottom line, China has advanced weaponry and keeps advancing and growing, so the US needs to learn how to co-exist peacefully and respectfully with a country it can't bully. The human race depends on it!
1:59 "by 2003 they had produced the JF-17, a fighter leaps and bounds ahead of the J-10." Dude, WTF you are talking??? From this moment on, I know your video is just BS.
Why don't you list the errors? I'm sick of people just saying 'there's errors' but never quantify what those errors are - for the most part they are differing opinions!
@@raafdocumentaries 1. J17 is from the upgraded J7 branch, she is no where comparable to the heavier and much more expensive J10. This is a fact not opinion go read about the Super 7 program. 2. After the 2018 ws10 already replaced al31f for all j20 (you can literally see the engine go from silver outlet to black) this is also a fact not an opinion. 3. J20 will never integrate any form of thrust vectoring due to tradeoffs as said by her chief designer Yang Wei in multiple interviews. This is an opinion by the guy literally designed J10, J17 and J20. 4. There is no J20B, the new yellow skin J20 appeared in 2021ish are J20A which will have ws15, not ws10. 5. The so-called ‘J20s’ is only a concept testing platform like the f16tvc, it does not even have j20 designation. My friend, the content you do is amazing (especially ones for western aircrafts) but you need to accept that u got things wrong.
@@rickylok6889 Rubbish! As an aeronautical engineer, the J-20’s engines are generations behind the both the F-119 and the F-135 engines powering western fifth generation aircraft. Western avionics are also far superior to anything made in China. F-22 and F-35 RCS is magnitudes smaller than J-20. Fact.
Taking an objective view of China and its technological development is not easy for Westerners, especially at a time when Western powers, led by the United States, are discrediting China for containing China and blocking China's technological development.
fairly neutral and fact based video, good one. As for many of the comments, i know it's hard to accept by many Westerners and Western-minded people around the world, an once poor, Asian, communist country (receipt of failure once) became nowadays 2nd largest in real gdp, 1st in norminal gdp, by far the 1st in manufacturing output ( more than 2nd - 10th combined), and 2nd or 1st in population. BUt it is what it is. Don't take China as the late USSR, China is much stronger than USSR at its peak. Personally, I like F35 and F22 more and i think F35 is the best. But China can replenish J16 and J20 at the speed like no other. I DO hope there will never be a day to proof which one is better.
This is nothing to do with the F-22. It only has to be better than the Taiwan F-16s. If and when China decides to re-unify Taiwan, as with Ukraine and Russia, it is unlikely that the US will intervene directly other than put several battalions of Marines on the island to assist with the ground war. This means that the primary opponent to the J-20 will be the F-16. The Chinese are not really interested in attacking the US and don't really care if the J-20 is not at parity to the F-22 or F-35. The J-20 will likely never face US planes in wide scale combat. The financial damage that such a war would have to the US would be insurmountable. Taiwan it not worth direct US involvement, other putting a 3 or 4 MEUs ashore. Clearly the Marines have been redesigning for this purpose for the last 5 years.
But it isn’t better than the F-16 V flown by Taiwan. J-20 engines lack the power to operate a radar strong enough to track and target Taiwan F-16s. Additionally, WS-15 Engines have to be pulled every 300 hours for complete overhaul.
J20 had radar lock on the F35 when they met a couple of years ago. Chinese trained Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters 9-0 in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar. Likewise Chinese trained Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet. That puts your assumptions into perspective. "I was the CIA Director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. We had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment" - CIA Director and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
It took them 28 years before their WS-15 engine became acceptable to their air force just like it took Indians 30 plus years to design and build their Tjas and their tanks.
Their is a 3rd party radar scattering CAD simulation done on Aircraft 101. Without RAM coatings, they compared all 3 F-35, J-20, and Su-57 low observable LO characteristics through their shapes/geometry alone. In a 20x20deg frontal aspect, "J-20 RCS is higher than F-35A RCS through the frequency range (approximately 3.5 times in X-band, 1.5 times in VHF band), it still has much better RCS characteristic when compared to Su-57.” So in geometry alone without the RAM coatings, a 3.5 times difference would translate to 37% difference in detection range in the X-band which is pretty significant. Even with RAM coatings of the same level used on F-35 or F-22, J-20 is still less stealthy by 37%. But obviously their will still be a substantial difference in RAM coatings. So F-35 definitely has the “first look, first shoot, first kill” and even a 2nd shot in beyond visual range BVR. So its F35C>F22>F35A>F35B>J20>SU57>F15>EVERYTHING ELSE
The new best fighter in the world The J20 could fly circles around a F22 but not likely it would get close to it because it would blast the F22 out of the sky with its ultra long range hypersonic missiles . The F22 pilot wouldn’t know what hit him
You can't shoot down what you can't see. F-22 RCS when it is configured for contested airspace is literally the size of a bumblebee, and the stealth performance is biased towards the higher frequencies *necessary* for a fire control lock. And before people pop in with it - it is *publicly admitted* by the USAF that F-22 and F-35 aircraft flying in peacetime areas, or even "non contested airspace" combat missions, routinely fly with radar *augmentors* installed, so that search radars can actually *see* them for traffic control. We have not yet deployed either bird to a high threat contested airspace, which means the only folks who have seen them in their "wartime" RCS configuration are friendly allied forces (amd not even all of them, becayse we often fly our fighters handicapped in joint exercises because it's better training for *our* pilots to not have all their usual advantages). The J-20 has a much larger RCS, primarily because if the canards (canards which are only required because Cheng-du can't make it stable without them, because they don't have the experience and skill with dynamically unstable, computer controlled aircraft). The ranges claimed by Chinese long range air to air missiles is: A. Marketing hype, unverified by anyone else. And, much as other customers of Chinese military hardware, almost certainly don't represent reality. B. Even if they weren't exaggerated, represent a purely *theoretical* range that assumes a perfect interceot setup where the target is solidly locked up (see above for RCS). In other words, even if the ranges are true, they represent something asking to being able to down a civilian airliner or a military transport flying completely clueless. In contrast, the USAF (especially since the AIM-4 and early AIM-7 in Vietnam) routinely *understates* missile performance, and the AIM-120D has been *in active service* for ten years now, with an *admitted* live fire tested range in excess of 100 miles against a "non compliant target" (probably something like a QF-16 being flown by a drone operator... note in US service, these exercises generally involve a bet of a case of beer between the drone crews and the air crews, just to encourage maximum effort all around). No notes on whether AIM-174 (an air launched SM-6 missile) is going to be approved for F-22, but in air launched mode it is quite capable of "well in excess of 200 miles", and the holistic engagement system the Navy developed for.it as the SM-6 means you don't actually need a fire control radar lock to shoot *just as accurately* - it can use fused sensor data where NONE of it approaches "fire control quality" to create a synthetic lock... that doesn't even register as a fire control lock on the target (because there is no radar lock on the target until the missile is in terminal mode). Oh, and it is capable of termianlnintercept of ballistic missiles moving at hypersonic speeds... because the US Navy has shot down exactly those types of targets (in fact, they've shot dowm exoatmospheric ballistic missiles in their terminal hypersonic phase). It would, however, have to be carried externally or on a "missile truck" platform like an F-18E or F-15EX. The AIM-260 is reportedly already in production, is about the size of the AIM-120D with apparently twice the range (becayse the USAF doubled the range safety standoffs in NOTAMs for AIM-260 firings, as opposed to AIM-120D firings), and fits inside the F-22 weapons bay (which was a mandatory requirement). It is expected to replace the AIM-120D entirely in US service in the next few years.
Their is a 3rd party radar scattering CAD simulation done on Aircraft 101. Without RAM coatings, they compared all 3 F-35, J-20, and Su-57 low observable LO characteristics through their shapes/geometry alone. In a 20x20deg frontal aspect, "J-20 RCS is higher than F-35A RCS through the frequency range (approximately 3.5 times in X-band, 1.5 times in VHF band), it still has much better RCS characteristic when compared to Su-57.” So in geometry alone without the RAM coatings, a 3.5 times difference would translate to 37% difference in detection range in the X-band which is pretty significant. Even with RAM coatings of the same level used on F-35 or F-22, J-20 is still less stealthy by 37%. But obviously their will still be a substantial difference in RAM coatings. So F-35 much more F-22 definitely has the “first look, first shoot, first kill” and even a 2nd shot in beyond visual range BVR.
J20 has much better avionics and sensors than F22...... plus F22 hardly gets any upgrades but J20 been constantly getting new parts.. that's the difference between 2 forces...
The US has Australia by the balls when it comes to military purchases, Australia doesn't dare say no. However, they were considering buying 28 aircraft to add another squadron and take the number of fighters to 100, but they decided to spend the money on drone and missile technology, which is the way of the future.
It is not China's answer to the F-22. That thing is a long range interceptor designed to get close enough to US aerial tankers and command and control aircraft and hit them with very long range air to air missiles. It handles like a pig but it does not need to be maneuverable for its mission. It isn't very stealthy but betting than most 4th gen aircraft.
@@Bellthorian I know, because that is not what it was designed for. It can fulfill that purpose if their is a reason to, because it is multi-role air superiority fighter.
@shoshe-vs8nd The difference is the F22 will sweep the skies clear in a war without ever being detected. It is LIGHTYEARS more advanced than anything flying today.
Ok, this channel doesn't know its stuff. I had to stop when it says JF-17 was designed to compete with F-16 and better than J-10. LOL. Dude, it's the reverse! J-10 was China's answer to F-16 and JF-17 was a joint venture with Pakistan specifically for PAF needs. PLAAF never had and never will fly JF-17. If you can't get such simple and well published facts correctly, your channel has no good thing to show. it tells me you didn't even read wikipedia.
It seems that another type of J20 is being prepared as an accompanying aerial drone, because the Chinese military media has published sea drones on its warships, where the sea drones were tested to form various formations on Chinese warships...
China knows how to build They tend not to exagerrate either unlike many casual Western "analyst" which constantly underestimate... Just on maneuverability alone, there were plenty of typical naysayers early on saying it was a truck and a bomber simply bc they had not seen vapour streams over the wings... West amateurs persistantlt over underestimate China bc its tgeir wishful thinking over objective view... Its always more likely that capabilities are there, hidden or developing like the pragmatic engine progression Also an unseen and less spoken of capability is the radar/srnsor fusion (an area China has become particularly strong at) and the missiles which out range Western equivalents.
1. More and more people are comparing J20 with F22, which is the biggest compliment to J20. 2. F22 has no experience in fighting J20, neither the United States nor China.
Because it's china's top fighter. That's all. It has orders of magnitude greater RCS than the F-22, while being less maneuverable, and with inferior engine and avionics
@@ShadowboostIt doesn’t have RCS anywhere close to the F-22. Indian Rafael’s were able to track and target J-20s. Please stop the rubbish! You’re embarrassing yourself.
@@Shadowboost Keep coping. J20 had radar lock on the F35 when they met a couple of years ago. Chinese trained Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters 9-0 in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar. Likewise Chinese trained Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet.
A few errors:
1. At 01:40, that model was a wind tunnel model of J-9VI, a project that was ultimately abandoned because China did not have the technical capabilities in the late 1970's.
2. JF-17 is not "leaps and bounds" ahead of the J-10. JF-17 was meant to be an affordable replacement for countries looking to upgrade their Mig-21s, while J-10 was supposed to be a mainstay design similar to F-16. J-10 is the better platform.
3. Flanker derivatives such as J-16 and J-15 will continued to be produced alongside J-20. These will focus on strike and support roles (EW).
Supplement: the JF-17 is the evolution of so-called "Super-7", a project to redesign and vastly improving the performance of PLAAF's Mig-21(J-7s), with redesigned front fuselage that have side intakes, LEX, and change the wing to be crank delta or trapezoid shape. The design was made by Grumman. (A funny rumor I heard from what it is said to be someone worked in CAC: Chengdu also received Boeing's bidding, which they didn't invite at all, and claimed they could be at least 300,000 USD cheaper than Grumman's price. CAC's ppl are feeling strange, asked "then how do you earned from the project?" And guess what Boeing answered? "I don't want profit, I just want to keep sure Grumman will died.")
The Super-7 project ended because of something we all know (ke-eh), and CAC still keep all the results on their side. They keep evolving the design, eventually became a brand-new aircraft that could be a modern Mig-21 replacer.
And, of course, there's still a Chinese Mig-21 variant that looked pretty like the Super-7 design concept, the FTC-2000 "Mountain Eagle" of Guizhou. It was firstly designed to be a low-cost upgrade of current JJ-7(twin-seat Mig-21 trainer) fleet to let them meet the performance to training 4th gen fighter pilot, and now also being sold as another low-price modern Mig-21 replacer solution.
@@jeffery7281 I actually cannot express how genuinely criminaly underated this comment actually is and this world and community actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me and out of all the languages that you chose to speak you chose to speak facts
平心而论，j10的平台是不如f16的，因为j10在设计之初的定位是国土防空战机，有很多截击特化元素。后续在J10 b/c上朝多用途化进行了改进，但挂载能力受限。目前随着PLAAF转型已经逐步退居二三线了，当然在J8还没完全退出之前还将继续担任主力的一员，只不过后续已经没有改进计划了
@@moorsoldaten4174 Nonsense.
Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar.
Likewise Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet.
@@moorsoldaten4174很不幸，目前的版本来说，近距离空中支援因为索敌与攻击流程的限制越来越没法用了，而对地扔炸弹来说，歼10平台跟F16平台差距不大
The one thing I have noticed about the Chinese military is that if they are willing to show their new hardware to you on their CCTV channel or Chinese military documentary or even up close, meaning they have already moved on and is in the process of developing their next generation hardware or whatever projects that will surpass the current hardware. Based on how much money the PLA is putting into the R&D, highly likely multiple projects is in the making.
as if that's not true for every other military hardware developer?
@@high-captain-BaLrog China normally play close to the chest, keeping almost everything a state secret, not very transparent about their military projects. Due to everyone having a phone these days, it also become harder for the Chinese to keep everything hidden. Unlike most other nations where the state often disclose limited information of their hardware to their parliament. I think this is just how things work in China I guess. Even thought the public already know about the J-20 project, the Chinese government took a long time to admitting having such a project and the deployment of J-20 also took 2 more years where the PLA has already deployed them.
@@high-captain-BaLrogZumwult be like 👁️👄👁️
@@NightPhoenix.Y hehehe
@@high-captain-BaLrog hehehehehe😊
Correction, the thermal sensors are not inspired by F-35. It is in fact a Soviet focus, whilst the Americans dropped it and went with active radar. It has only been a decade since US re-focus back on thermal sensors because they got wrecked in F-22 and F-35 duels vs French fighter jets with thermal sensors. US stealth was bypassed easily it shocked the US airforce into action. Hence, Raytheon developed thermal sensor pods for upgrading F-16, F-15 and F-18s, and the design of F-35 incorporates thermal sensors finally. China has very advanced thermal sensors, more more than EU/US because they have been specializing in it from Soviet era.
this cannot be correct as F35 is developed from the start with thermal sensors. so how could F35 be "in a duel" if it hasn't been design yet?
China used to adopt some technology 2-3 decades ago.not today ,all are Chinese created technology
@@lagrangewei Your logic is pretty funny, the Su-27 series that PLAAF has been using for 30 years has also been equipped with thermal sensors from the start, so why take inspiration from F-35?
You fail your analysis in one main area.
1. Due to the massive microprocessor difference, the thermal sensors in Soviet and Russian aircraft lag behind those used in even western aircraft like the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon, let alone those used on the F-35.
It doesn't matter how long you used them for if due to your own industry, you don't have the capabilities to improve upon them to a sufficient degree.
@@voidtempering8700 You just stated you are guessing. So no one knows until there is fight.
The fact that they already have over 300 of them, and can produce over 100 a year, and their relative low cost of operation, makes this the best fighter by default. The best combination of quantity and quality.
This is what makes it scary, similar to what makes the Russian military scary; Pure numbers. We can only hope the US/NATO can keep pace. The Pacific conflict of this decade is upon us.
The biggest problem for Westerners is the habit of using a few images and lenses to peek into the whole of China, which has led to serious deviations or even complete errors in Westerners' understanding of China. These are actually not the most terrifying. What is frightening is that the sense of superiority established by Westerners since the Industrial Revolution makes them choose to ignore objective facts, subconsciously feeling that they will always stand on the high ground of truth, although sometimes it may seem ridiculous.
这不是因为优越感才选择这么做的，西方很早就理解并把媒体当做武器进行运用，只要媒体宣传一下敌人或者看不顺眼的国家就会发生内乱和动荡，简单而且绝对的低成本，而且被针对的国家根本没渠道申辩，对于掌握全球媒体霸权的美国而言没理由不去使用。中国一直到64的时候才真正意识到有多恐怖，之后才会有90年代国内异常严格的媒体审查制度。但是事务也有两面性，中国90年代后的发展一部分也真要感谢西方媒体，他们孜孜不倦的骗自己老百姓，特别是中国崩溃论和福山的历史终结论，天天宣传中国马上要自己崩了，等着对手自己崩了就行，还搞什么别的针对。同时自己的体制都终结历史了，还改进啥，然后天天不思进取吃老本。然后中国发展到今天这个地步更加不敢宣传了，让老百姓知道中国原来是这样的还不得全去造反，所以无论媒体服务的对象就是国家的统治阶级，新闻无国界，但是记者有国籍。
@@Allen-dh9zs 这就是舆论霸权的可怕之处 他可以轻而易举打破一个国家的正确决策 而不费一枪一弹 中国是唯一一个在全领域挑战美国的国家
不不不，我们的东西都是用豆腐和纸做的！根本不可能有这么厉害的东西，展示的都是模型！我的西方朋友你要相信我说的绝对是真的！❤❤❤
此子断不可留
@@Allen-dh9zs 不要跟他们解释，我们继续战忽
Although I have watched too many videos on TH-cam about aviation and aircraft but again and again I come to this channel to hear the cool Aussei ascent as well as watch aviation
the narrator has an english accent not australian
This one is English but we have others with an Aussie narrator and of course we have Australian interviews, walk around videos, etc.
Its probably the voice then. But I love this channel, the explanations are great
This video is not bias like other Western videos. But it is still.got mistake which you can easily found in Chinese videos..😅
Last year, F22 was struggling to combat with a Chinese balloon, let alone J20
For a plane whose biggest feat is shooting down a balloon, f-22 sure is hyped a lot.
@@marko1263Decades later the F22's true ability is still highly classified. They aren't even aloud to show it's true maneuverability at air shows. It's hyped for a reason.
@@cliffhooper3558因为F22的产线已经拆除十几年了，上了航展就会被人发现猫腻，那一切就完了 搞不好只能全部退役，因为没有产线就无法再改进升级了。
@@cliffhooper3558 They're about 5 years from retirement, so it'll be highly classified history then. Also, it's allowed, not aloud. 🙄
@@ExternalInputs The F22 won't be retired in 5 years. They'd have to admit about the drone technology. The fleet will be cut down by half probably.
Americans overhype on low RCS stealth when modern sensors are all passive thermal & laser range-finder with imaging hardware. These can spot & track stealth from up to 70km away on modern EU sensors, and China has even more advanced variants with classified capabilities.
America used to let turkey use the f 35 "stealth" fighters years ago, turkey also uses the Russian s-400 anti-air and noticed they can see and track the f 35's on them, america has never deployed the f 35 anywhere near Russian tech since then.
@@tylerdurden4006 You’re speaking complete rubbish and have no idea what you’re talking about. Stop embarrassing yourself.
@@tylerdurden4006日本是不是在俄罗斯附近？俄罗斯白天鹅三天两头就去日本列岛飞，F35起飞多少次了？土耳其从来就没有获得过F35，要不然埃尔苏丹也不会去买S300，土耳其也不可能买单F35，因为他们是穆斯林，他们不是欧洲人。
@@tylerdurden4006 Nonsense. The Israeli air force has been flying like 200 missions per day using the F35 and flying over Russia built S400's. The S400 hasn't been able to target one. Not even one time. The S400 isn't very good as Ukraine has proven. The S400 is good at shooting down Russian air craft. Also the s400 targets Ukrainian drones by becoming a suicide SAM when the drone hits it.
@@jackwang1238 Türkiye _is_ a European country if you didn't know already.
1:59 The JF-17 was not "leaps and bounds" ahead of the J10. The JF-17 was primarily made to be cheap and for the export market, primarily as a joint venture with Pakistan. It's why the PLAAF doesn't use the JF-17 themselves. Pakistan has also purchased the export variant of the J10C which it also largely regards as an upgrade to the JF-17. The JF-17 is designed to be fast , light and most importantly CHEAP to both manufacture and to maintain so that it can be attractive to developing countries. But it lacks the range and payload capacity of the J10 which is why the JF-17 was never adopted by the PLAAF.
@@DairyCat I have no idea if any of that is true but you sound like you know what you’re talking about so Ima take it on faith. 👍
@@crinklecut3790 the internal designation of the JF17 is Super-7, it basically the J7 with a new airframe to house a modern radar. Pakistan however was operating the F16, so they rename it JF17. JF17 is a designation of China, but Pakistan. Lookheed Martin was actually involved in the program before USSR collapse, US saw the value of a cheap chinese fighter on the borders of USSR... after the collapse of USSR neither US nor China has interest to continue the project, as China was also able to simply buy the latest Sukhoi fighter from a defunct Russian state. so the project was sold to Pakistan.
是的，j-20根本不是一架飞机，它主要由“爱”和“想象力”以及些许的巧克力组成，所以大可不用担心
You mean tofu
@zxt5148 Why do you want to use something unique to China? Don't you have the words?
@@c雨颖 building things out of tofu is unique to China.
then why are the Taiwanese hugging the legs of America when the J20 is not a plane.. By your logic the F16Vs would get the job done but Taiwan still asking for more from USA.. You hallucinating or what?
@@mrtan1309 If you think China can fake 40 years of industry expertise from stolen blueprints you must be.
I'll be worried about the J20 when China can figure out how to actually build functioning carriers.
JF17 is meant to be the compliment to Pakistani F16. The requirements are, close to F16 effectiveness, cost of mig21, and can be produced by Pakistan locally. Seemingly impossible mission accomplished in around 30 years after numerous changes to requirements. Collaboration partners include all 5 permanent UNSC members. The customer even dropped out once , which almost killed the project. And yet it finally delivered and exceeded expectations. The story is much more interesting than that of the J20s.
But the aircraft is meant to be as cheap as possible not like J10 which goes toe to toe against F16 in performance.
Other than the fact that it doesn't approach 30nyear old F-16 performance, sure. The -17 is a good bird for the money, but it's more like an F-5E in overall aerdynamic performance than an F-16... which lines up with the price more akin to what a modern F-5 would cost.
JF-17: Mach 1.6, combat *range* 900km on internal fuel (with unstated external stores or flight profile), 8x hard points for a total of 8 tons of external stores (including fuel AND missiles or bombs)
F-16: Mach 2, 11 hard points for up to 7.7 tons of external stores. With a combat *radius* in typical air to air configuration of over 900km - note that combat radius is, by definition.
@@geodkyt the airframe, maybe. But even F16 receives upgrade constantly and the F16V is very different than F16A.
The JF17 block III has avionics close to that of the J10s, DSI inlet and can use a large number of air to air and air to ground munitions. You can hardly find anything else in the market with these. In modern air conflicts the results are more and more up to avionics and the missiles. If F5E could shoot AIM120D it would be great value for money, too.
Also for the potential customers it's not just capabilities and unit cost, running costs are important, too. PLAAF is even phasing out the J10s while it is considered highend by Pakistan. Therefore this modernized F5E still makes quite a lot of sense today.
@@姜磊-n5h it's just not a competitor. Inferior speed, agility, stores, avionics, etc. there's not single item where the JF-17 outmatches current block F-16s
@@geodkyt任何一款战机都有其特定作战需求也有其时代局限性，F16已经是三十多年前的机型了，机电系统就像十年前的诺基亚手机一样，块头很大，也非常耐摔，但是你要一台苹果手机还是一台十年前的诺基亚。
PAF pilots claimed JF-17 is superior, high maneuverable and easier to fly that the F-16 they have. That is why they shot down I AF Mirage, MiG-21BIS and a SU-30MKI.
Really unbelievable these PAF pilots.
Pakistani here, JF-17 is the little brother of bigger J-10C and it isn't better than J-10. In fact J-10B is superior and is peer competitor of F-16
Man, believe me, appearance is justice. It is as elegant as the F22 flying attitude.
so true, power lays in beauty
Some source for the idea that JF-17 is somehow better than the J-10? Because to me it sounds like a complete nonsense.
JF17 block3 is for sure better than J10 block1.
@@jurajkolnik7335 I believe it's down to how initial block 1 versions had western avionics on the aircraft that made it comparable to the J-10.
JF17 may match J10A but completely outclassed by J10C
They flew it over taiwan for a recon mission with video proof undetected. There were no reactions from taiwanese Airforce. They were deep inside taiwan. As far as I know the missiles they carry ignore flares and seek their targets using vibration of some sort. 🤔 Target seeking using vibrations of the jets engine. Sounds like a good idea to test.
@@bearuehara6871 and yet its chips are made of taiwan
source? There does not seem to be proof of it
@@biingjyh This is not Samsung Apple mobile phones, do not need 7nm made of the following chip, China now has 14nm made of chip production capacity is sufficient to meet their own military needs.
@@bearuehara6871 you mean the Taiwan province of China?
The JF 17 is not better than the J 10 and it is not an equivalent to the F-16 the JF 17 is like the griffin jet from Sweden and the J-10 is like the F-16
And when I say the JF 17 is like the griffin I mean it’s like a budget version It’s almost certain that even though the griffin is a similar weight class to the JF 17 it has better sensor systems
Indeed, so many mistakes in this. One other that that stands out is that DSI is part of the plane in the very first prototype in 2011 rather than something that added later like the video is claiming. I feel his video seems to be summaries of what's on wikipedia and googling without much cross checking and verification. This make fact check when there is no authoritative source and language barrier every difficult.
@@jazz.560 jf 17 is not even better than tejas mk1a
@@shoto3612I mean, one of the aircraft actually exists, so there is that.
Half of the sqadren is down and it is equivalent to tejas 😂
The J-10 is SUPERIOR to the JF-17, just because the JF-17 was developed after the J-10 doesn't make it superior to the J-10... the JF-17 is developed from the J-7 (Mig-21) and is exclusively for export, unlike the J-10 which is in use by the PLAAF... It's like comparing the F-16 (J-10) to the F-20 (JF-17), just because the number 20 comes after 16 doesn't make the F-20 superior to the F-16 as the F-20 was just a further development of the F-5.
Unrelated but it's funny how the PLA mistranslation of 'armed forces' as 'army' has led to the People's Liberation Army Air Force and People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force, with marines deployed via carrier being presumably known as the ridiculous PLANAFA - People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force Army
Correct about the translation of "jun" (军), which originally meant army thousands of years ago but has the meaning "military" in PLA. But people also forget how most air forces started as army corps or branches, for example the USAF at one point was the United States ARMY Air Force (USAAF).
@@DanboShawHe didn't talk about any Chinese words or any "Chinese historical claim" from thousand or million years ago. He talks about English, how the Chinese military uses the English word "Army" in the wrong place.
And your example is incorrect too. USAAF was literally the component of the US Army. That's why it has "Army" in the name.
While the PLA (People's Liberation Army) is not the component of the Army, it's the opposite. PLA is the umbrella of PLA Army (People's Liberation Army Army), PLA Navy (People's Liberation Army Navy), and PLA Air Force (People's Liberation Army Air Force). These are the most f**ked up English I've ever seen.
It should be "Chinese Armed Forces" or "Chinese Military" or "People's Liberation Military" or anything but not People's Liberation Army. 😂
@@nobodyjustme7481 No one here is talking about "historical claims", we are talking about how the English names for China's armed forces were translated.
@@DanboShaw Lol. Your comment is still there, you talking about your historical Chinese word thousand years ago when no one talked about it. He talks about the English word "Army", where "Army" is not an accurate word to replace "Armed Forces".
Look again into dictionary, Army means the BRANCH of a nation's armed services that conducts military operations on LAND!
That's why:
US Armed Forces = correct!
Japan Self-Defense Forces = correct!
Republic of Korea Armed Forces = correct!
Indonesian National Armed Forces= correct!
People's Liberation Army = WRONG! 😂
@@nobodyjustme7481 I referred to the Chinese word JUN because that is the word in the Chinese name for the PLA, Zhongguo Renmin Jiefang JUN, that is mistranslated as "army" in People's Liberation Army, when it really should be People's Liberation Military or Armed Forces. If you read my comment as an elaboration on the original poster's comment it should have been clear that I was agreeing with it. In other words, you've been arguing when there is no disagreement.
J20 is much better....
Undoubtedly. F-22 a 1970 relic like B-52 should be retired.
@@mythbusterthe6749right , F22 too old
I wish your videos were longer, especially for videos like this about flagship military hardware
They'll depend on the amount of info
Modernized J-20B Dragon better then F-22 Raptor, Raptor's Time is Over... cannot accept by US but its FACT.
7th comment down and already found the 🤡
@@StikkzzNo doubt commenting from a bot farm in West Taiwan 😂
@@Stikkzz you’re the clown kid. If you don’t see truth. You can only improve if you realize that you’re falling behind
事实上是这样，但中国没办法拿J20去攻击韩国，日本，菲律宾，越南和印度以外的国家。因为中国没有海外的军事基地。他们必须从本土起飞。对美国战略威胁不大
@@PeterToth-u9u It’s so good that Xi fired the Chief Designer/Engineer. That’s not the sort of accolade one receives from designing a superior aircraft. Nice try though!
China: J20 is outdated, it is safe to shown in the public.😎
啊？这梗都传到外网来了吗
@@夜幕萤光 這裡大半的英語留言都是中國人啊
@@mrwilloughby8684 这么多人通共吗？
看你这用词，怕是来自1940s的吧
@@kinwai27271 proof you claim
March 22 2022, the F-35s have encountered( intercept) by J-20s over East China Sea, and my understanding is that the f-35 is not invisible to Chinese AWACS, and the F35 did not detect the approaching J20.
Your understanding is wrong.
@@ShaKa-Ri Please explain your opinion.
@@kevinchan3176 Indian Air Force Rafaels were able to easily track and target the J-20. F-35s radar is significantly more powerful and accurate, and when combined with other platforms can track J-20 due to its limited reduced RCS in frontal aspect only.
@@ShaKa-Ri Yes, India No. 1
@@kevinchan3176 India isn’t trying to confiscate other nations, so I that regard, they are far superior to China.
I think the narrator got carried away at 1:54 , when he said JF-17 is leaps and bounds ahead of J-10.
Then why did PAF acquired J-10CE to counter IAF Dassault Rafale and IAF is now worried sick? Calm down before wasting time opining based on biased info. 🤔
@@mythbusterthe6749 no one in india is afraid.
PAF is ordered by haramkhor army generals as people like asim munir take rishwat for his family.
You must remember what napak fouj did in the past, remember 1971, and now it is doing all over, including baluchistan.
@@AhmedAli-wt2qh Bro got carried away with his emotions. calm down and take a deep breath before blabbering nonsense.
Very impressive aircraft. Thank you for such an informative video
that is some bad research. the JF17 is inferior to the J10. it was effectively designed as a new airframe to use existing MiG21 hardware to create an ultra low cost yet modern capability fighter that would be easy to service... China doesn't use the JF17, they are primarily used and build by Pakistan. the J10 was comparable and above the spec of F16.
As a Chinese, I want to remind American patriots of something. If you are determined to find out what is wrong with the US military budget and equipment production, you can look back at the production of new equipment for the Air Force and Navy in 2002-2012 and 2016-2024. When the United States decided to sanction China and shifted the destination of some parts procurement to Europe and even India, the cost of your equipment procurement increased significantly, and the time took significantly longer, and there was a lot of corruption in your military industry. Your congress have more and more Indian (and maybe a president) in your parliament instead of Chinese , seriously think about who is bleeding you. If you come up with an answer similar to mine, and you can generalize it to other areas of American society, you will realize that some politicians and interest groups in the United States are trying to destroy a secular state that is not hostile to you, and that the real threat to you is never the Chinese warships, but the demographic and cultural changes taking place in your communities.
Companies rule the Western world, polititions are just their employees. The Governement is just for show. They all have huge shares in companies all around the world like the Bidens in Ukraine, Trump in Middle East and Russia..... every high profile American position answers to somebody behind the scenes in other countries.
It's all a money game pretending to be old school border disputes.
@@Joseph-xq6ur very well said. China has been working very hard to develop herself with centric focus on providing a better China for the Chinese people and that includes all 56 recognized ethnic groups within China
i'm actually quite impressed at the neutrality of this video!
Why does the video begin with footage of Chinese streets from 30 years ago?
因爲在西方人的頭腦裏，中國永遠是那樣的🤣
Bcz of fact denial of modern China surpassing the west.
@@qf704 那就让他们永远活在过去吧
If the F-22 and Mig 1.44 had a baby…
F35 can't even take off without Chinese parts
So you mean the one 5-th Gen Fighter the USA is still currently producing relies on Chinese parts? Well I highly doubt that.
@@kleinmonster7902 rare earth minerals that make the stealth coatings of F35 are mostly from China.
对了🤣
@@kleinmonster7902 everyone knows that...
@@kleinmonster7902 whether true or not, less than 30% of F35s are actually combat ready. And that assessment comes from America and Lloyd Austin got grilled for it. 1.5 Trillion Dollar failure..
As I've noted in a different YT video regardless of actual ability, the J-20 is a nice looking aircraft.
A beautiful plane!😊
Greetings from Croatia 😎
The F22 production ended in 2011 with 186 aircrafts operational? How come?
The J-20's development, especially its rapid production and shift toward multi-role capabilities like the F-35, is impressive. However, how do you think it stacks up against the F-22 and F-35 in terms of actual combat performance? The Pentagon's recent focus on the WS-15 engine and new upgrades suggests that China's push for air superiority is serious, but do these advancements make the J-20 a real contender in the global military aviation scene?
F22 still has many flaws despite decades of development. Pilots died flying the F22. That was the real reason why production of the F22 was stopped.
Canards were added to improve agility and compensate for less powerful engines. As dogfight becomes an obsolete scenario, hopefully this is the last time we'll ever see canards on a modern fighter.
Meanwhile, a Su-34 dodges 3 Patriot missiles and lives to tell the tale.
Nice easy topic ❤❤❤
One thing I find quite interesting is how China is able to use the Russian flaker design and develop it into the J11/15/16. The J16 developments currently is the Chinese counterpart of the F15EX upgrade program, turning an old design into something new and more suitable for the modern battlefield.
中国空军愿意一直发展j16说明俄罗斯的战机设计极其优秀，是一个非常出色的飞行平台，只是俄罗斯的电子设备实在太差了。
@@leeplay4fun 是的
The JSF, :fast"in production? Yeah, non-working hulls are being produced while battle readuy ones are still rare after about 20 (twenty!) years.
Politics aside, it is a beautiful plane.
This looks like the most lethal and well thought out of the stealth fighters.
Still developing capabilities but its sized for expanding roles and tech
Good looking plane especially when against the odd looking F22 and the super fugly F35
J20 had radar lock on the F35 when they met a couple of years ago.
US General Wilsbach confirmed they met and came up with a cover story.
Chinese trained Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters 9-0 in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar.
Likewise Chinese trained Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet.
@@oot007 Got a source on that, friend?
Could you please provide subtitles for this video? Thanks. Generated by TH-cam seems not good.
You are kidding right? We spend a lot of time getting the Closed Captions right - if there's an error, let us know.
@@raafdocumentaries Absolutely no, man. th-cam.com/video/rMB3E13L4C0/w-d-xo.html ### I mean the video is good, if you can provide subtitles like last, it will be better.
@@raafdocumentariesmaybe he/she is asking for Chinese subtitles 😂
People in this comment section is hyper fixating on the j10 and the jf17 💀 the attention span of these people is beyond cooked
Today I saw China has lazer weapon, missiles flying out in space, missiles flying mac 15 (18.000 km./H = 12.000 miles/H), they can fly half way around the world. So fast no warning time!
Answer to the F-22? Not really. The US is not only out numbered, but also out qualified. The F-22 is already an outdated technology.
Western aircraft posses far superior engines, avionics, and aircraft systems and subsystems. Need proof. Look at Comac C-919. A ChiCom tube and wings. Everything else is western tech.
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Yeah ok
Yet even with the plans for the Raptor's gas turbines for several decades, the chinese do not have the manufacturing ecosystem to build them.
@@scottwolf8633
What a load of nonsense. 😂😂😂
F-22 powerplant GE-119 itself is in fact a reverse engineered copy of a stolen R79V from Soviet Union.
Good content, as always, ignore those cry baby comment from who knows where ..
2:00 "The JF-17 a fighter leaps and bounds ahead of the J-10" Aaaaand I'm done...
I think he meant better than J-10
@@MossadDid911 And that's exactly the issue.
The JF-17 a light fighter, meant to be cheap and easier to produce by Pakistan, still pretty much a MiG-21/J-7 family member.
The J-10 meanwhile is an older domestic program, it's better in many dimensions but indeed received DSI later (due to being older) and by western standard isn't as "good" as the JF-17, because the JF-17 electronics and ergonomics were designed for a force already used to operate the F-16, while the J-10 was designed for a force with a very different modus operandi and training.
While it would be false to say the J-10 is better than the JF-17, it's even more false to claim the JF-17 is more advanced than the J-10, or that it was intended to replace it.
@@ethancampbell2422 sorry I meant J-7
@@MossadDid911 In that case, without a doubt indeed.
Its so powerful I like it
Greatest J-20 technical video over! so many HD video clips with so much detailed informations! simply great!
longer ranges suit the pacific theater...
It's good enough and they can make a lot of them.
It is a misnomer---the J20 is not designed to fight against the F22---. The J20 is designed to take down the air refuellers for the F22's---.
It's amazing that you used Director Jia Zhangke's Virgin show at 1:28, and even AI-restored and color graded it (or perhaps someone else did it).
the JF17 is not "leaps & bounds ahead of J10". J10 is comparable to F16 and adopted by PLAAF, the JF17 is a low cost ultimate upgrade of Mig21/J7 for export only
Chinese trained Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters 9-0 in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar.
Likewise Chinese trained Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet.
That puts your assumptions into perspective.
Not a bad looking jet, shouldn't be taken lightly.
Haven’t you ever noticed that ANYTHING made in China LOOKS good, but never is?!?
@@mikestewart4752 Oh yeah. But, that's an easy mindset to get caught up in.
@@mikestewart4752 Go ahead, take them as fkn stoopid... good luck.
@@wildhareonthegulfofmexico3539 I understand what you’re saying for sure. 👍
@@mikestewart4752 Right on, no doubt..
Don't believe it when you get home. In fact, j20 is just a fighter that looks cool. In fact, their engine is J10.
China started to develop stealth technology already in the 80s, but it experienced a real revolution when it received from Serbia the remains of a downed F-117A stealth plane that was downed in 1999. Then the Americans bombed the Chinese embassy because they believed that they would make it impossible for the Chinese to transfer everything they got from the Serbian army to China for further study. If you don't believe it, just google it on the internet and everything will be clear to you.
The Serbian Army is very responsible for the creation of the Russian Su-57 and the Chinese J-20 stealth aircraft of the 5th generation. It would be nice if both the Russians and the Chinese gave Serbia a squadron of those planes.
lol, JF17 better than J10? It's an export version. J10 with its aesa radar and canard system is much more complex and sophisticated than F16 or any fighter made in the 1970s.
China already deployed ws-15-20 engines to J 20
Watching from a country in East Africa, that wants Ruto gone.
You can't take this video seriously when they said in 1990s China had developed the J-10, and by 2003 China had produced the JF-17, a fighter leaps and bounds AHEAD of the J-10.
I mean, since when the JF-17 is leaps and bounds ahead of the J-10? This video is worthless to me.
Bottom line, China has advanced weaponry and keeps advancing and growing, so the US needs to learn how to co-exist peacefully and respectfully with a country it can't bully. The human race depends on it!
Now we wait and see if the US is clever enough to avoid war.
JF 17 is an export plane.
J10 is better also available for exports to strategic partners...like Egypt recently
1:59 "by 2003 they had produced the JF-17, a fighter leaps and bounds ahead of the J-10." Dude, WTF you are talking??? From this moment on, I know your video is just BS.
Nicely done video, I really wanted to love it and subscribe. But with errors.
Why don't you list the errors? I'm sick of people just saying 'there's errors' but never quantify what those errors are - for the most part they are differing opinions!
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1. J17 is from the upgraded J7 branch, she is no where comparable to the heavier and much more expensive J10. This is a fact not opinion go read about the Super 7 program.
2. After the 2018 ws10 already replaced al31f for all j20 (you can literally see the engine go from silver outlet to black) this is also a fact not an opinion.
3. J20 will never integrate any form of thrust vectoring due to tradeoffs as said by her chief designer Yang Wei in multiple interviews. This is an opinion by the guy literally designed J10, J17 and J20.
4. There is no J20B, the new yellow skin J20 appeared in 2021ish are J20A which will have ws15, not ws10.
5. The so-called ‘J20s’ is only a concept testing platform like the f16tvc, it does not even have j20 designation.
My friend, the content you do is amazing (especially ones for western aircrafts) but you need to accept that u got things wrong.
Is Ahoy narrating this?
i am in aero industry, f22 is totally outdate compared with j20
tank boy lol
@@rickylok6889 Rubbish! As an aeronautical engineer, the J-20’s engines are generations behind the both the F-119 and the F-135 engines powering western fifth generation aircraft. Western avionics are also far superior to anything made in China. F-22 and F-35 RCS is magnitudes smaller than J-20. Fact.
Taking an objective view of China and its technological development is not easy for Westerners, especially at a time when Western powers, led by the United States, are discrediting China for containing China and blocking China's technological development.
fairly neutral and fact based video, good one. As for many of the comments, i know it's hard to accept by many Westerners and Western-minded people around the world, an once poor, Asian, communist country (receipt of failure once) became nowadays 2nd largest in real gdp, 1st in norminal gdp, by far the 1st in manufacturing output ( more than 2nd - 10th combined), and 2nd or 1st in population. BUt it is what it is. Don't take China as the late USSR, China is much stronger than USSR at its peak. Personally, I like F35 and F22 more and i think F35 is the best. But China can replenish J16 and J20 at the speed like no other. I DO hope there will never be a day to proof which one is better.
This is nothing to do with the F-22. It only has to be better than the Taiwan F-16s. If and when China decides to re-unify Taiwan, as with Ukraine and Russia, it is unlikely that the US will intervene directly other than put several battalions of Marines on the island to assist with the ground war. This means that the primary opponent to the J-20 will be the F-16. The Chinese are not really interested in attacking the US and don't really care if the J-20 is not at parity to the F-22 or F-35. The J-20 will likely never face US planes in wide scale combat. The financial damage that such a war would have to the US would be insurmountable. Taiwan it not worth direct US involvement, other putting a 3 or 4 MEUs ashore. Clearly the Marines have been redesigning for this purpose for the last 5 years.
But it isn’t better than the F-16 V flown by Taiwan. J-20 engines lack the power to operate a radar strong enough to track and target Taiwan F-16s. Additionally, WS-15 Engines have to be pulled every 300 hours for complete overhaul.
@@ShaKa-Ri中国的五代战斗机不如美国的三代机……那么洛克马丁公司应该把F16V的售价再涨三倍，把F35涨价十倍顺便告诉客户我们的三代战斗机可以击落中国造价上亿人民币的五代战机。😂
@@ShaKa-Ri 你是在说笑话吧？F16V对标的应该是中国的歼10以。f16仅仅是一架中型战机，而J20巨大的机身可以安装更大口径的雷达，探测距离更远，航程和载弹量更是F16无法相比的。
@@ShaKa-Ri 10架F16也不一定打过J20，F16还不如中国的J10和J16
@@甲寅八字国学文化 这位是阿三
😊 thank you for your insight
I dont feel threatened by china.
hold on! isn't the f-22 a superiority fighter whilst the j-20 is a strategic bomber?
Source material for this airframe is nothing but a guess.
J20 had radar lock on the F35 when they met a couple of years ago.
Chinese trained Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters 9-0 in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar.
Likewise Chinese trained Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet.
That puts your assumptions into perspective.
"I was the CIA Director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. We had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment" - CIA Director and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
F35 parts are made in China, so we Chinese look down on it.
The f-22 has been discontinued and the j20 will be updated continuously.
China has benefited greatly from Russian military know how
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It took them 28 years before their WS-15 engine became acceptable to their air force just like it took Indians 30 plus years to design and build their Tjas and their tanks.
J20>F22>F35>J35>SU57>J16>EVERYTHING ELSE
Hahahaha. Tell me you are Chinese without saying you are Chinese.
@@alihanaydogdu6158同样是中国人赞同这个排序。让你们睁开眼接受事实是一个漫长的过程，很高兴正在发生。
@@Fairtrade911 Copy Libration Army
Their is a 3rd party radar scattering CAD simulation done on Aircraft 101. Without RAM coatings, they compared all 3 F-35, J-20, and Su-57 low observable LO characteristics through their shapes/geometry alone.
In a 20x20deg frontal aspect, "J-20 RCS is higher than F-35A RCS through the frequency range (approximately 3.5 times in X-band, 1.5 times in VHF band), it still has much better RCS characteristic when compared to Su-57.”
So in geometry alone without the RAM coatings, a 3.5 times difference would translate to 37% difference in detection range in the X-band which is pretty significant. Even with RAM coatings of the same level used on F-35 or F-22, J-20 is still less stealthy by 37%. But obviously their will still be a substantial difference in RAM coatings. So F-35 definitely has the “first look, first shoot, first kill” and even a 2nd shot in beyond visual range BVR.
So its F35C>F22>F35A>F35B>J20>SU57>F15>EVERYTHING ELSE
@@johnsilver9338 真的无语了，多看点公开资料，J20的表面隐身同时用了三种不同技术，这个是在媒体公开介绍过的。比F22 35随时需要刮腻子强太多了。
另外F35就不要吹隐身了，它就是一架无限妥协的飞机，发动机妥协，外形妥协，升级空间受到大量制约。比如升级大功率相控阵雷达居然会面临电力不够的尴尬局面😂😂😂😂
最后随着美国和中国的脱钩，🇺🇸的军备妥善率直线下降，原来美国总说用了中国的零件出的问题，现在不用中国的零件了，F35不是掉海，就是断腿. 已经是帝国的黄昏了
The new best fighter in the world
The J20 could fly circles around a F22 but not likely it would get close to it because it would blast the F22 out of the sky with its ultra long range hypersonic missiles .
The F22 pilot wouldn’t know what hit him
Yeah right. Most likely it would blow up itself before the F22 would come close.
You can't shoot down what you can't see. F-22 RCS when it is configured for contested airspace is literally the size of a bumblebee, and the stealth performance is biased towards the higher frequencies *necessary* for a fire control lock.
And before people pop in with it - it is *publicly admitted* by the USAF that F-22 and F-35 aircraft flying in peacetime areas, or even "non contested airspace" combat missions, routinely fly with radar *augmentors* installed, so that search radars can actually *see* them for traffic control. We have not yet deployed either bird to a high threat contested airspace, which means the only folks who have seen them in their "wartime" RCS configuration are friendly allied forces (amd not even all of them, becayse we often fly our fighters handicapped in joint exercises because it's better training for *our* pilots to not have all their usual advantages).
The J-20 has a much larger RCS, primarily because if the canards (canards which are only required because Cheng-du can't make it stable without them, because they don't have the experience and skill with dynamically unstable, computer controlled aircraft).
The ranges claimed by Chinese long range air to air missiles is:
A. Marketing hype, unverified by anyone else. And, much as other customers of Chinese military hardware, almost certainly don't represent reality.
B. Even if they weren't exaggerated, represent a purely *theoretical* range that assumes a perfect interceot setup where the target is solidly locked up (see above for RCS). In other words, even if the ranges are true, they represent something asking to being able to down a civilian airliner or a military transport flying completely clueless.
In contrast, the USAF (especially since the AIM-4 and early AIM-7 in Vietnam) routinely *understates* missile performance, and the AIM-120D has been *in active service* for ten years now, with an *admitted* live fire tested range in excess of 100 miles against a "non compliant target" (probably something like a QF-16 being flown by a drone operator... note in US service, these exercises generally involve a bet of a case of beer between the drone crews and the air crews, just to encourage maximum effort all around).
No notes on whether AIM-174 (an air launched SM-6 missile) is going to be approved for F-22, but in air launched mode it is quite capable of "well in excess of 200 miles", and the holistic engagement system the Navy developed for.it as the SM-6 means you don't actually need a fire control radar lock to shoot *just as accurately* - it can use fused sensor data where NONE of it approaches "fire control quality" to create a synthetic lock... that doesn't even register as a fire control lock on the target (because there is no radar lock on the target until the missile is in terminal mode). Oh, and it is capable of termianlnintercept of ballistic missiles moving at hypersonic speeds... because the US Navy has shot down exactly those types of targets (in fact, they've shot dowm exoatmospheric ballistic missiles in their terminal hypersonic phase). It would, however, have to be carried externally or on a "missile truck" platform like an F-18E or F-15EX.
The AIM-260 is reportedly already in production, is about the size of the AIM-120D with apparently twice the range (becayse the USAF doubled the range safety standoffs in NOTAMs for AIM-260 firings, as opposed to AIM-120D firings), and fits inside the F-22 weapons bay (which was a mandatory requirement). It is expected to replace the AIM-120D entirely in US service in the next few years.
This isn't Ace Combat or DCS, bro. Keep dreaming
Their is a 3rd party radar scattering CAD simulation done on Aircraft 101. Without RAM coatings, they compared all 3 F-35, J-20, and Su-57 low observable LO characteristics through their shapes/geometry alone.
In a 20x20deg frontal aspect, "J-20 RCS is higher than F-35A RCS through the frequency range (approximately 3.5 times in X-band, 1.5 times in VHF band), it still has much better RCS characteristic when compared to Su-57.”
So in geometry alone without the RAM coatings, a 3.5 times difference would translate to 37% difference in detection range in the X-band which is pretty significant. Even with RAM coatings of the same level used on F-35 or F-22, J-20 is still less stealthy by 37%. But obviously their will still be a substantial difference in RAM coatings. So F-35 much more F-22 definitely has the “first look, first shoot, first kill” and even a 2nd shot in beyond visual range BVR.
J20 has much better avionics and sensors than F22...... plus F22 hardly gets any upgrades but J20 been constantly getting new parts.. that's the difference between 2 forces...
So, Australia bought afew jets from the US cost many $billions each. 😒
几架战斗机能有多大影响？澳大利亚花这么多钱要去对付谁？只会加剧印尼、马来西亚、越南等国的紧张，特别是印度尼西亚。
The US has Australia by the balls when it comes to military purchases, Australia doesn't dare say no. However, they were considering buying 28 aircraft to add another squadron and take the number of fighters to 100, but they decided to spend the money on drone and missile technology, which is the way of the future.
@@ExternalInputs 那印度尼西亚必然也加倍，双方形成军备竞赛，澳大利亚与印尼的矛盾还没有解决。
Chinese technology is more advanced than us.....
Sorry, the answer is incorrect.
I would build 10 or more a day and pilotless. 10 or so feet long and a missile as long with 12 year old piolets if they are good at games.
Actually,J20=J10+J10
The can’t produce a good afterburner engine but we are suppose to believe it has super cruise? hahaha
@@markever234 read up on the “WS-15” power plant, please. 💔
@@jason_sleekIt will take them to WS-3,482 before they make one that doesn’t melt. The Chinesium is shabby beyond belief. 🤦
@@mikestewart4752 keep living in the stone ages
Chinese engines lack longevity yes, but not thrust - Their latest WS15 low bypass engines perform just short of medium bypass F135's
@@isaacomole9527 I guess we will see 👍💀
I want one
Don't worry Australian Airforce is the best in Asia!
The J-10 shi ts on the JF-17 😂
It is not China's answer to the F-22. That thing is a long range interceptor designed to get close enough to US aerial tankers and command and control aircraft and hit them with very long range air to air missiles. It handles like a pig but it does not need to be maneuverable for its mission. It isn't very stealthy but betting than most 4th gen aircraft.
At the most I put it in the category with the ex maybe👎
Name a single source that lists that as being the J-20s purpose. It is officially classed as a multi-role fighter.
@@voidtempering8700 I can't really tell you that.
@@Bellthorian I know, because that is not what it was designed for. It can fulfill that purpose if their is a reason to, because it is multi-role air superiority fighter.
@shoshe-vs8nd The difference is the F22 will sweep the skies clear in a war without ever being detected. It is LIGHTYEARS more advanced than anything flying today.
Ok, this channel doesn't know its stuff. I had to stop when it says JF-17 was designed to compete with F-16 and better than J-10. LOL. Dude, it's the reverse! J-10 was China's answer to F-16 and JF-17 was a joint venture with Pakistan specifically for PAF needs. PLAAF never had and never will fly JF-17. If you can't get such simple and well published facts correctly, your channel has no good thing to show. it tells me you didn't even read wikipedia.
Twin seat shows inferior avionics and EW systems
Taiwan couldn't detect the j20...
full copy mig-1.44
It seems that another type of J20 is being prepared as an accompanying aerial drone, because the Chinese military media has published sea drones on its warships, where the sea drones were tested to form various formations on Chinese warships...
China knows how to build
They tend not to exagerrate either unlike many casual Western "analyst" which constantly underestimate...
Just on maneuverability alone, there were plenty of typical naysayers early on saying it was a truck and a bomber simply bc they had not seen vapour streams over the wings...
West amateurs persistantlt over underestimate China bc its tgeir wishful thinking over objective view...
Its always more likely that capabilities are there, hidden or developing like the pragmatic engine progression
Also an unseen and less spoken of capability is the radar/srnsor fusion (an area China has become particularly strong at) and the missiles which out range Western equivalents.
1. More and more people are comparing J20 with F22, which is the biggest compliment to J20.
2. F22 has no experience in fighting J20, neither the United States nor China.
Because it's china's top fighter. That's all. It has orders of magnitude greater RCS than the F-22, while being less maneuverable, and with inferior engine and avionics
@@Shadowboost F22如果有优势，美国空军会把它的生产线都停了吗？事实上美国人最好的飞机是F35。
@@chaoschaos4286 F35只有在电子通信，和传感器上对比F22有优势，其它不行
@@ShadowboostIt doesn’t have RCS anywhere close to the F-22. Indian Rafael’s were able to track and target J-20s. Please stop the rubbish! You’re embarrassing yourself.
@@Shadowboost Keep coping. J20 had radar lock on the F35 when they met a couple of years ago.
Chinese trained Pakistani J10C easily dominated yookay trained Qatar Eurofighters 9-0 in both BVR and dogfighting air combat training exercises in Qatar.
Likewise Chinese trained Pakistani JF17 easily dominated yoooessay trained Qatar F15 and F16 in both BVR and dogfighting at the same meet.