Hey John, 🙂 how are you? I use chatgpt for generating ideas not yet tried for first draft. I might incorporate more questions/idea generation because I get writers block not far into writing some chapters. I can struggle with clear goal while I discovery write. What's helped some is papyrus author software. I can keep a note next to word document in software to keep story blurb or dramatic question on hand to see. I get an overview of the book goal. Sadly, I don't have consistent reading habit for fiction yet. If I don't finish a book in one sitting I'll end up spacing a few weeks before I come back, even stories I find interesting. I can have long gaps for non-fiction and be fine but not so much for fiction. I lost habit once I graduated highschool. I even lost habit for watching anime. I primarily watch TH-cam. I'll keep working on a routine. I've been focusing 100% on health after an issue in March so now more of regular routine.
@@sweetdesignink I'm well, a little nervous about this topic, because it's frankly a little controversial still, and I don't care for drama. But the video was so much fun, I couldn't not share it🙂 Sounds like you've got a pretty solid process working. I think chat gpt is great for writer's block related stuff, because even if it gives you a bad idea, that might allow you to think of better ones! That's what I've found at least. Reading can be a little difficult to make a habit, but I find if I listen to audiobooks while I eat, I get plenty of reading. Although, not as much direct contact with the words themselves. Thanks for watching 🙂
Hi John, I found your channel whilst looking for Live Sprint channels. Yes!! I am currently using ChatGPT to assist me with drafting and outlining. I am a prolific outliner (to a fault) and like to plot into discovery writing. Interacting with ChatGPT has been effective, and I use it in a similar way that you are, although focusing a lot heavier on outlining, character ideation, and getting super in-depth. I'm using the Saves The Cat! Writes A Novel beat sheets, starting with an overview and then digging into each beat. It offers somewhat generic concepts, BUT as I provide it with some clear specifics, I can ask it HOW this could impact a later point in the story, and it offers some pretty useful assistance there.
When I try using Chat GPT, I end up getting frustrated because it keeps giving me things that are cliche and overused. I tend to use it to know what I don't want to help me figure out what I do want.
I read the comments and everyone here are precisely my people. I love your channel dude, youre one of less than ten of all i follow im excited when you put a video out. Your stuff is actually helpful!!
@@john_writing_ it so is dude. You’re doing all the things you need to. The one thing I think authotubers shouldn’t do is simple talking head videos even though some of the best advice I’ve gotten came from those. But if you’re compiling clips and music and scene cuts you’re golden man.
Great video. And yes chat gpt is awesome if we look at it as something to embrace than to fear. It can add to the excitement of the writing process and make it a whole lot easier and efficient too. Glad you got to see that.❤ liked your thumbnail as well hahaha.
I'm happy you enjoyed it! GPT is not perfect, but I think it's vital for everyone to be open-minded enough to embrace new technology. Because our world isn't going to stop changing any time soon. Thanks for watching :)
Yeah it was so fun. It helped me create a very unique character. He carries a cattle gun and lasso. He also does something in the end of the story very cowboy inspired!
I'm so glad you experimented with Chat GPT. This is a great video! I've watched it several times already. You gave Chat excellent prompts, and your short story sounds exciting. I hope you'll publish it. I also like to brainstorm with Chat, and I use it as an editor. It also writes great blurbs for Amazon. I agree with you. Chat GPT is a fantastic tool for writers.
Honestly I wasn't expecting it to be as good. It definitely has more problems than I could cover here for drafting, but it's a fun process. And I agree it's very useful for brainstorming!!
I use Chat GPT mostly for editing/feedback on pacing. It took a while for me to understand what prompts will work and how to word things to it get the outcome that I want. I was hesitant at first but when I started implementing it in my routine it made the writing progress so much faster and streamlined my process.
No no, chatGPT can absolutely “grade” your work. Even if you have to ask it to make you a prompt that you can use on it that will tell it to get into the mind of someone who CAN answer the question and they will, whether you want a 1-10 grade a yes or a no, anything. You can make it do whatever it needs to do in order to do whatever you want it to do!
@@john_writing_ the part of the vid where you asked chatGPT if the story is good and it said “as an Ai language model I cant tell you if it’s good because you have to be the judge of it as a writer”. It was a joke that you made it say but I’ve experienced the actual thing many times, where it wont give me an opinion that a human can have and I have to tell it to think like a human would have an opinion.
@@arzabael ohhh, yea it does that a lot, that's why I knew the phrase "As an AI language model". I like your workaround though, I'll have to try it next time👌
@@john_writing_ my work around would be “please get into the mind of someone who knows how to answer this question: get into the mind of a renowned expert literary critic and use a 1-10 grading system to judge this passage: before you do so, please thoroughly understand my request regardless of the words I’ve used to articulate it and show me how best to word this prompt in order to get what you have found that I want from it” and it will show you what to tell it
Yes. Like any program (Final Cut, Adobe, PLOTTR, Scrivener, Logic) you have to learn it. GPT 3 is as good as your understanding of it. I’m on my third step outline and it’s getting better with each iteration. Precision is the key
I'm using GPT-4 in this video, but even with that precision was key. I had to iterate to get it to understand when I wasn't precise enough. You should have seen some of my prompt lengths, they were like scenes themselves 😂
Interesting... I wasn't too clear on what really came from you. It seemed like GPT came up with story ideas, most of the character details, and the final prose. You did some (all? most?) of the basic scene outlining. So... how much of the end product came from your creativity?
I used to try using ai because I lacked confidence in my writing. After awhile I thought it was shameful and rewrote a novella I did with no AI at all and it ended up being 1/4 of the length…
Never used Chat GPT. ( Nor will I ever) I'm 45 and have 35 novels out. Some 120k, 200k words, and my biggest book, which took ten years to finish, is 282k words. It has taken me thousands of hours alone at my desk to learn these skills. I know a lot of my writer friends are worried about such things. I am not. I have nothing against this AI, but also, nothing can take away from the human struggle. A trait that I doubt a machine can replicate. :)
We will iterate the prompts you output in order to arrive at a prompt that gives me the desired output. The first output you give me will ask what the prompt will be about, with some questions to get us on the right track. Then once you have an initial understanding of what the prompt is about, you will provide me with the first iteration. Then you will ask more questions to make the prompt better. We will continue this iterative process until we have arrived at the prompt we need to generate my desired output. BEFORE YOU FINISH ADJUST FOR STYLE. IE: write everything in the style of SJ Salinger, Truman Capote, Raymond Carver, Jonathan Frazan WHEN FINISHED RENDER TO WORD WITH HASHTAGS INDICATING EACH PARAGRAPHS
I personally wouldn't use names of authors in prompts because it feels icky to copy another author's voice outright. Also for legal reasons it's better to avoid that potential problem. I would have liked to include more of the process details in this video, but it made it too long and dry haha
@@warmflash That makes sense, it is uncanny in replicating people's voices. For fun I had it create a TH-cam video intro like one of my favorite TH-camrs and it was crazy how much it sounded like them 😂
Here’s the pre-write: *WRITING A STEP OUTLINE WITH GPT3* *GPT 3 PROMPTS* You, ChatGPT, will be my prompt engineer. RULES: Write everything in the present tense. Write in the third person limited. Do not write any dialogue. Be familiar yet different. USE * SAVE THE CAT STRUCTURE * THREE ACT STRUCTURE * DAN HARTMAN’S STORY CIRCLE STRUCTURE * A HEROS JOURNEY STRUCTURE * FRETAG’S PYRAMID * THE SNOWFLAKE STRUCTURE * ABT STRUCTURE * FIVE OR SEVEN ACT STRUCTURE We will iterate the prompts you output in order to arrive at a prompt that gives me the desired output. The first output you give me will ask what the prompt will be about, with some questions to get us on the right track. Then once you have an initial understanding of what the prompt is about, you will provide me with the first iteration. Then you will ask more questions to make the prompt better. We will continue this iterative process until we have arrived at the prompt we need to generate my desired output. BEFORE YOU FINISH ADJUST FOR STYLE. IE: write everything in the style of SJ Salinger, Truman Capote, Raymond Carver, Jonathan Frazan WHEN FINISHED RENDER TO WORD WITH HASHTAGS INDICATING EACH PARAGRAPHS
Seems useful, I make the prompts myself, but I don't find it that hard to give it something useful. What would you say are the advantages to having it generate the prompts instead?
Have you tried using Chat GPT (or other AI tools) to co-write something yet? How was your experience?
Hey John, 🙂 how are you? I use chatgpt for generating ideas not yet tried for first draft. I might incorporate more questions/idea generation because I get writers block not far into writing some chapters.
I can struggle with clear goal while I discovery write. What's helped some is papyrus author software. I can keep a note next to word document in software to keep story blurb or dramatic question on hand to see. I get an overview of the book goal.
Sadly, I don't have consistent reading habit for fiction yet. If I don't finish a book in one sitting I'll end up spacing a few weeks before I come back, even stories I find interesting. I can have long gaps for non-fiction and be fine but not so much for fiction. I lost habit once I graduated highschool. I even lost habit for watching anime. I primarily watch TH-cam. I'll keep working on a routine. I've been focusing 100% on health after an issue in March so now more of regular routine.
@@sweetdesignink I'm well, a little nervous about this topic, because it's frankly a little controversial still, and I don't care for drama. But the video was so much fun, I couldn't not share it🙂
Sounds like you've got a pretty solid process working. I think chat gpt is great for writer's block related stuff, because even if it gives you a bad idea, that might allow you to think of better ones! That's what I've found at least.
Reading can be a little difficult to make a habit, but I find if I listen to audiobooks while I eat, I get plenty of reading. Although, not as much direct contact with the words themselves.
Thanks for watching 🙂
Hi John, I found your channel whilst looking for Live Sprint channels. Yes!! I am currently using ChatGPT to assist me with drafting and outlining. I am a prolific outliner (to a fault) and like to plot into discovery writing. Interacting with ChatGPT has been effective, and I use it in a similar way that you are, although focusing a lot heavier on outlining, character ideation, and getting super in-depth. I'm using the Saves The Cat! Writes A Novel beat sheets, starting with an overview and then digging into each beat.
It offers somewhat generic concepts, BUT as I provide it with some clear specifics, I can ask it HOW this could impact a later point in the story, and it offers some pretty useful assistance there.
When I try using Chat GPT, I end up getting frustrated because it keeps giving me things that are cliche and overused. I tend to use it to know what I don't want to help me figure out what I do want.
I read the comments and everyone here are precisely my people. I love your channel dude, youre one of less than ten of all i follow im excited when you put a video out. Your stuff is actually helpful!!
I really appreciate the compliment! And am happy you feel that way, I'm trying to keep getting better here and hopefully it's showing!
@@john_writing_ it so is dude. You’re doing all the things you need to. The one thing I think authotubers shouldn’t do is simple talking head videos even though some of the best advice I’ve gotten came from those. But if you’re compiling clips and music and scene cuts you’re golden man.
Is this a short story that you ended up publishing? I'd be interested in reading it!
Great video. And yes chat gpt is awesome if we look at it as something to embrace than to fear. It can add to the excitement of the writing process and make it a whole lot easier and efficient too. Glad you got to see that.❤ liked your thumbnail as well hahaha.
I'm happy you enjoyed it! GPT is not perfect, but I think it's vital for everyone to be open-minded enough to embrace new technology. Because our world isn't going to stop changing any time soon. Thanks for watching :)
I love how you made the rodeo back story. Like rodie to rodeo to a backstory is so perfect. Thats how golds made. Creative Innovation!
Yeah it was so fun. It helped me create a very unique character. He carries a cattle gun and lasso. He also does something in the end of the story very cowboy inspired!
@@john_writing_ oh yea that’s a must, gotta have the backstory surface in a pinch point somewhere
I'm so glad you experimented with Chat GPT. This is a great video! I've watched it several times already. You gave Chat excellent prompts, and your short story sounds exciting. I hope you'll publish it. I also like to brainstorm with Chat, and I use it as an editor. It also writes great blurbs for Amazon. I agree with you. Chat GPT is a fantastic tool for writers.
Honestly I wasn't expecting it to be as good. It definitely has more problems than I could cover here for drafting, but it's a fun process. And I agree it's very useful for brainstorming!!
I use Chat GPT mostly for editing/feedback on pacing. It took a while for me to understand what prompts will work and how to word things to it get the outcome that I want. I was hesitant at first but when I started implementing it in my routine it made the writing progress so much faster and streamlined my process.
I've never tried to use it for those parts of the process but it sounds interesting👍
No no, chatGPT can absolutely “grade” your work. Even if you have to ask it to make you a prompt that you can use on it that will tell it to get into the mind of someone who CAN answer the question and they will, whether you want a 1-10 grade a yes or a no, anything. You can make it do whatever it needs to do in order to do whatever you want it to do!
What were you responding to here? I'm curious
@@john_writing_ the part of the vid where you asked chatGPT if the story is good and it said “as an Ai language model I cant tell you if it’s good because you have to be the judge of it as a writer”. It was a joke that you made it say but I’ve experienced the actual thing many times, where it wont give me an opinion that a human can have and I have to tell it to think like a human would have an opinion.
@@arzabael ohhh, yea it does that a lot, that's why I knew the phrase "As an AI language model". I like your workaround though, I'll have to try it next time👌
@@john_writing_ my work around would be “please get into the mind of someone who knows how to answer this question: get into the mind of a renowned expert literary critic and use a 1-10 grading system to judge this passage: before you do so, please thoroughly understand my request regardless of the words I’ve used to articulate it and show me how best to word this prompt in order to get what you have found that I want from it” and it will show you what to tell it
Yes. Like any program (Final Cut, Adobe, PLOTTR, Scrivener, Logic) you have to learn it. GPT 3 is as good as your understanding of it. I’m on my third step outline and it’s getting better with each iteration.
Precision is the key
I'm using GPT-4 in this video, but even with that precision was key. I had to iterate to get it to understand when I wasn't precise enough. You should have seen some of my prompt lengths, they were like scenes themselves 😂
Interesting... I wasn't too clear on what really came from you. It seemed like GPT came up with story ideas, most of the character details, and the final prose. You did some (all? most?) of the basic scene outlining. So... how much of the end product came from your creativity?
The sidekick makes it easier because the protagonist gets someone to talk to.
I liked the dynamic! It's also just fun for banter purposes. And in this story there would have been no dialogue if not for the sidekick!
Better yet it gives someone to explain the world building facts to
@@john_writing_ Everyone likes to bat around some banter.
Look at this set of instructions
I used to try using ai because I lacked confidence in my writing. After awhile I thought it was shameful and rewrote a novella I did with no AI at all and it ended up being 1/4 of the length…
Never used Chat GPT. ( Nor will I ever) I'm 45 and have 35 novels out. Some 120k, 200k words, and my biggest book, which took ten years to finish, is 282k words. It has taken me thousands of hours alone at my desk to learn these skills. I know a lot of my writer friends are worried about such things. I am not. I have nothing against this AI, but also, nothing can take away from the human struggle. A trait that I doubt a machine can replicate. :)
Here here!
We will iterate the prompts you output in order to arrive at a prompt that gives me the desired output.
The first output you give me will ask what the prompt will be about, with some questions to get us on the right track.
Then once you have an initial understanding of what the prompt is about, you will provide me with the first iteration.
Then you will ask more questions to make the prompt better.
We will continue this iterative process until we have arrived at the prompt we need to generate my desired output.
BEFORE YOU FINISH ADJUST FOR STYLE.
IE: write everything in the style of SJ Salinger, Truman Capote, Raymond Carver, Jonathan Frazan
WHEN FINISHED RENDER TO WORD WITH HASHTAGS INDICATING EACH PARAGRAPHS
I personally wouldn't use names of authors in prompts because it feels icky to copy another author's voice outright. Also for legal reasons it's better to avoid that potential problem.
I would have liked to include more of the process details in this video, but it made it too long and dry haha
Using another writer’s style is a thought exercise. It’s interesting to juxtapose Norman Mailer against Oliver Warmflash.
@@warmflash That makes sense, it is uncanny in replicating people's voices.
For fun I had it create a TH-cam video intro like one of my favorite TH-camrs and it was crazy how much it sounded like them 😂
Here’s the pre-write: *WRITING A STEP OUTLINE WITH GPT3*
*GPT 3 PROMPTS*
You, ChatGPT, will be my prompt engineer.
RULES:
Write everything in the present tense.
Write in the third person limited.
Do not write any dialogue.
Be familiar yet different.
USE
* SAVE THE CAT STRUCTURE
* THREE ACT STRUCTURE
* DAN HARTMAN’S STORY CIRCLE STRUCTURE
* A HEROS JOURNEY STRUCTURE
* FRETAG’S PYRAMID
* THE SNOWFLAKE STRUCTURE
* ABT STRUCTURE
* FIVE OR SEVEN ACT STRUCTURE
We will iterate the prompts you output in order to arrive at a prompt that gives me the desired output.
The first output you give me will ask what the prompt will be about, with some questions to get us on the right track.
Then once you have an initial understanding of what the prompt is about, you will provide me with the first iteration.
Then you will ask more questions to make the prompt better.
We will continue this iterative process until we have arrived at the prompt we need to generate my desired output.
BEFORE YOU FINISH ADJUST FOR STYLE.
IE: write everything in the style of SJ Salinger, Truman Capote, Raymond Carver, Jonathan Frazan
WHEN FINISHED RENDER TO WORD WITH HASHTAGS INDICATING EACH PARAGRAPHS
Seems useful, I make the prompts myself, but I don't find it that hard to give it something useful. What would you say are the advantages to having it generate the prompts instead?
Asking GPT to review GPT results in more unusual and unexpected results