Mikhail Baryshnikov, Margot Fonteyn - A Curious Partnership for ‘Le Spectre de la Rose’

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  • @42abyz
    @42abyz ปีที่แล้ว +6

    For me, Baryshnikov's portrayal is astonishing in terms of his movement quality and interpretation. And Dame Margot Fonteyn's characterization is unlike any that I have seen. At first, she dances in a dream state, then she awakens and realizes the man with whom she dances is the spirit of the rose. The expression on her face when she realizes this tells the story.

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yes, she gives a very interesting interpretation

  • @silcorradi9219
    @silcorradi9219 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Barysnikov is the best at all .I love him,!!

  • @mithrilmoon1
    @mithrilmoon1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Fonteyn I will always love and admire. Misha - oh, Misha! So beautiful and supremely gifted. Sigh, sigh, sigh xx

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Paula cunningham shennan
      i love and admire both these legendary dancers - i wonder what a partnership would have developed were they the same age?

    • @alainspiteri502
      @alainspiteri502 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Hall yes Fonteyn is a legend ( only in your imagination ! ) J Hall

    • @rosinevivet1634
      @rosinevivet1634 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pmpp

  • @marialuisaseabraomgarcia2045
    @marialuisaseabraomgarcia2045 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As always very good . He is gorgeous, he is the best dancer of xx century

  • @davidsands789
    @davidsands789 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thanks for putting this up. Fascinating to watch. Although her career is almost over she still seems to have stage presence. I never saw her, but I did Misha a couple of times, also Nureyev.

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      yes, a curiosity but i agree, Fonteyn still inhabits the character of the girl after the ball so truly. i saw her many times - mostly in London as a kid. i saw Misha and Makarova and Rudi and Makarova - so interesting to see the same schooling together

    • @linhiril664
      @linhiril664 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I saw Rudolf and Dame Margot do this ballet in NYC.

  • @nancydionisi9346
    @nancydionisi9346 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wonderful video John!, many thanks for sharing it!

  • @ballet701
    @ballet701 10 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    A little gem. Thanks for sharing

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      hi Jacqui
      yes, a unique partnering - one that is so unexpected given the stage of Fonteyn's career. there is so much acting and atmosphere for the ballerina to create and not great dancing demands so it kind of works.

  • @Bzcenci812
    @Bzcenci812 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Lovely and unforgettable Margot!
    She could be a young girl even at the end of her career, but that bonnet doesn’t favour her.

  • @agnesszilagyi4911
    @agnesszilagyi4911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Könnyed, légies, túlcsordul a szíved, ahogy nézed őket . Baryshnikov legjobb táncos a világon 🥰❤️

  • @sana11sana19
    @sana11sana19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Фонтейн очаровывает партнёра и сама очарована каждый раз!!!!!!!!!а нас зрителей они не щадят!💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖😅😅😅😅🥰🥰🥰🥰🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @casteretpollux
    @casteretpollux 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They say that Sarah Bernhardt could move one to tears playing a young man's role when old and with one leg . Art is art. Really like this Rose although not usually a Baryshnikov fan.

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, an apt comparison with Bernhardt

  • @nataliedelagrandiere4022
    @nataliedelagrandiere4022 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    She is wonderful as always.

  • @lfzmk1929
    @lfzmk1929 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Like you, I was lucky enough to see Fonteyn and Nureyev many, many times (all the Rpyal Ballet innumerable times), and Misha too. But I never warmed to Misha in the same way. Fonteyn does look a bit odd with the bonnet...on a young girl it works but here it looks more like a nightcap which ages her...it is basically the only example of where Fonteyn doesn't look as fresh as a young woman (as she did in everything from Romeo and Juliet to Sleeping Beauty. I just watched your clip of Fonteyn and Nureyev with Ashton and the dress rehearsal for Birthday Offerings. Rudi is still so solicitous and protective of Fonteyn. Both he and Ashton want to make her comfortable and as perfect as possible. I felt Misha doesn't have a connection with Fonteyn. That chemistry is missing between them; and his style is just to mannerist for me. Maybe it's just a prejudice because a great dancer (Barishnikov) and a genius (Nureyev) are not the same. Wrong or right in his attitudes or the way he handled his career I doubt anyone cared about the art of ballet as extremely as did Nureyev-
    Thank you for posting all the gems you have been able to find and salvage. I never tire of watching your offerings.

    • @oxundina1
      @oxundina1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You..right ONLY. Nikolay Chechirdze...but unfortunately no well know in the west...( covent..Paris.Metropolitan )...what a waste...

  • @isabeldiezlangre9411
    @isabeldiezlangre9411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He visto bailar a Nureyev este ballet y me gustó más. Movia los brazos de forma ondulante y encantadora. También me pareció más romántico que Misha. Me hubiera gustado verle bailar con Margot. Recuerdo cuando Rudolf llegó a Londres quería bailar El expectro de la Rosa con ella, pero ella no quiso porque estaba comprometida con David Blair.
    El cabo de los años, al final de las actuaciones de Margot, lo bailaron juntos pero no he podido encontrar ese vídeo.
    Misha es buenísimo bailarín, ambos fueron alumnos del mismo.maestro Alexander Ivanovich Pushkin y se nota. Margot, a pesar de su edad, su presencia siempre deja huella, fue una bailarina extraordinaria.

  • @kaythomas8521
    @kaythomas8521 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i recognize all these familiar ballet steps ,,, but the way its choreographed in this particular number,,,,,,Margot and Mikhail do a marvelous job with it.......did Rudi ever do this with Margot??? LOve Margot's costume,,,especially the bonnet

  • @JohnRaymondHall
    @JohnRaymondHall  10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    hi numberonefilmfan - yes, it comes from that documentary but i didn't want to mention it by name (only that it came from a doco) for fear of having it removed by the copyright police! i am probably being over-cautious here but had a Maria Tallchief video from 1960 removed recently. this 'Spectre' seems no where else on YT so worth putting up even though these are far from the ideal performances of these two roles, especially of Fonteyn who was so very close to the very end of her career..

  • @alainspiteri502
    @alainspiteri502 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Je préfère la version Noureev avec Jackson : Noureev avait une présence des l'apparition du Spectre , acteur il allait au delà des pas , musical il retransmettait la musique oui R Noureev a été le plus grand Danseur du vingtième siècle. Barychnikov danse avec sa technique mais il est froid : ici comme dans Giselle le Lac il n'y a de l'émotion avec Baryschnikov à la fin d'une variation ou il déploie toute sa virtuosité et évidemment les ovations de la salle sont immédiates ! le Spectre de la Rose avec Nourev a une toute autre dimension

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Je préfère Manuel Legris - sa porte de bras est comme les vrilles de l'Art Nouveau - la Rose de la nature

    • @nataliedelagrandiere4022
      @nataliedelagrandiere4022 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnRaymondHall "son port de bras"

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nataliedelagrandiere4022 thanks - corrected :)

  • @jayneforryan4830
    @jayneforryan4830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is unusual pairing .of course they are both great dancers but I did not quite smell the rose .still lovely to watch.

    • @BytomGirl
      @BytomGirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That rose reminds me more of fakir trying to get a snake to dance. See this ballet with Nikolai Tsiskaridze, now, that was a dreamy rose

  • @ЕленаРашевская-л7ы
    @ЕленаРашевская-л7ы 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    вместо воздушного и бестелесного образа Розы -вполне телесный мужчина встал на подоконник, спрыгнул с него чуть ли не как спортсмен и дальше мне уже неинтересно. Эх, Миша, Миша!!)) Фонтейн - прелесть!

  • @НінаБойко-н9д
    @НінаБойко-н9д 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    !!!!!!!!+++ Большое спасибо за видео !!!

  • @TheBallet1
    @TheBallet1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    astonishing footage! Margot has artistry but fails to convince as a young, rosy-cheeked girl after her first ball. Misha is neat but i can't smell the rose :)
    thanks Alex, this curio is priceless.

    • @pediatrapaola
      @pediatrapaola 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      smelling the rose is very difficult .try with paolo bortoluzzi and yuri soloviev .

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hi TheBallet1 - i agree totally - hence the 'Curious Partnership’ title. Fonteyn's characterisation is not specific to The Young Girl - it strikes me as another of her characters and i can't quite put my finger on which, or maybe generic young girl in a dream. and Misha - i was hoping for more - he writes so eloquently about preparing and dancing this role in 'Baryshnikov at Work'. he doesn't produce the delicate first era pre-WW1 Ballets Russes perfume required of this role. but it was something that i thought should be out there in YT.

    • @pediatrapaola
      @pediatrapaola 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Hall danny will ramonize you LOL

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      pediatrapaola hi Enrico - yes, lots of scent there! those two Roses are different but both interesting in their ways - i like it when there are alternative ways of approaching a role.

    • @passionballettopfru
      @passionballettopfru 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Hall Yes, he writes ..... They all could do it ... Baryshnikov, Nuriyev - the greatest....

  • @ciaconnaify
    @ciaconnaify 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You both are gorgeous

  • @TheBallet1
    @TheBallet1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Margot's décolletage is more Marguerite than young dreamy girl after her first ball!

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      actually that's an excellent point you make - i didn't think about the suitability of costume to character
      curiously the décolletage of Tamara Karsavina in 'Le Spectre de la Rose', as photographed by Emil Otto ('E.O.') Hoppé's 1912 photogravure ...
      www.google.com.au/search?q=tamara+karsavina+spectre&espv=2&biw=1707&bih=838&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=CN4eVOr8HIOm8AWy1YGAAg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&dpr=1.5#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Y-JOt4JOp10JRM%253A%3Bj_y4N7-ZlEodGM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.npg.org.uk%252F800_800%252F7%252F5%252Fmw200075.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.npg.org.uk%252Fcollections%252Fsearch%252Fportrait%252Fmw200075%252FTamara-Karsavina-in-Le-Spectre-de-la-Rose%3B572%3B800
      ... shows a costume similar to Margot's here and, given that Fonteyn had rehearsed the ballet with Karsavina, again in a similar décolletage (see the image i added to the beginning of the video) i'm wondering if Fonteyn's costume was not modelled on the original?
      Theophile Gaultier's poem of Le Spectre de la rose' was published in 1837 (before the restrictive high Victorian era) and ball gowns could have a low décolletage:
      www.google.com.au/search?q=ball+gown+girl+1837&espv=2&biw=1707&bih=838&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=COIeVJHwC43z8QWN84LIAw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=young+girl%27s+ball+gown+1837&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=dyUrGAoToh_1MM%253A%3Bk5vb4zXHSpw2IM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F2.bp.blogspot.com%252F-lnmAve_U4g4%252FUTdnWo2egvI%252FAAAAAAAAA9c%252FJbXpcL8fysE%252Fs1600%252FScreen%252Bshot%252B2011-03-09%252Bat%252B9.23.45%252BAM.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ffrolickingfrocks.blogspot.com%252F2013_03_01_archive.html%3B445%3B642
      your point about the unsuitability of the costume would have been the error of Léon Bakst - with the error being that it was unsuitable for a young girls of the period rather than a woman.
      in the 1830s Queen Victoria danced much of the night at a ball and wore low cut gowns ...
      www.google.com.au/search?q=queen+victoria+at+a+ball+1830s&espv=2&biw=1707&bih=838&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=I-QeVKWtG8aB8QWDnYGgBg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=1FGJZYMgiGxXeM%253A%3Bkn85Qo6ZLAIIpM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.splittree.org%252Fwaltz%252Fimages%252FVictAlbertWaltz.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.splittree.org%252Fmisc_pages%252Fovphotos.htm%3B503%3B660
      it was only later that all that changed and became more conservative
      thanks for this comment - thinking about it has been very interesting! cheers

    • @TheBallet1
      @TheBallet1 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Hall Mme Karsavina looks chaste. i like Margot in lots of other roles, including Aurora and Juliet :)

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TheBallet1 i agree - from the photographs i believe Karsavina as the girl just returned from her first ball.
      i used to see Margot in 'Swan Lake' and the second act was extraordinarily beautiful and expressive - particularly the moment when she is drawn unstoppably away by von Rothbart at the end of the act while in the same moment trying to reach out to Siegfried.

    • @kabardinka1
      @kabardinka1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +John Hall Then there's the version (on YT) with Lilian Gish (over 90) appearing with Patrick Dupond. Okay, she doesn't dance but it's actually kind of poignant... her memory and dream of herself as a young girl. And Gish (like Judy Dench) always had a kind of girlishness no matter what age she was. For what it was, I though it was moving and worked. I suppose Margot wasn't quite ready to go that route.

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +kabardinka1 yes, i agree - when i first saw the title of the video i thought it was a very interesting choice of ballerina - i imagined she would be able very poignantly to bring out the qualities of the girl returning from the ball.

  • @daisyabey6161
    @daisyabey6161 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw this ballet at the Bradford’s Alhambra circa 1967

  • @wrennmyere939
    @wrennmyere939 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So enjoyable to watch ....

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      absolutely - i think their only performance together

  • @Feliandyx16
    @Feliandyx16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No sabía que Fonteyn salió del retiro en varias ocasiones para mantener a su esposo aun siendo un diplomático su estado de salud era grave pues estaba parapléjico...

  • @mithrilmoon1
    @mithrilmoon1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I believe the music is by Carl Maria Von Weber, orchestrated by Berlioz? I love it. And I love Margot (of course). Sleep was good, but Misha was/is a ballet god! Thank you so much.

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hi Paula
      yes in fact it's Hector Berlioz's 1841 orchestration of Carl Maria von Weber's piano music ‘Afforderung zum Tanz’ (‘Invitation to the Dance’)
      yes, it's such a pity that Margot and Misha (M and M!) were not contemporaries - now that would have been a partnership.

  • @nicojam7191
    @nicojam7191 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    💖💖💖💖💖 …. Heaven on earth

  • @rolfeerictikkala5643
    @rolfeerictikkala5643 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE WAS SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE CLOSE TO THE FRONT WHEN SUDDENLY BARYSHNIKOV COMES BOUNDING OVER THE FRONT SEATS AND SUBSEQUENTLY DEFECTED IN TORONTO.

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      wow - so close to that historic event!

  • @sana11sana19
    @sana11sana19 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖

  • @JohnRaymondHall
    @JohnRaymondHall  ปีที่แล้ว

    i think in the late 70's or early 80s Michele Ellis

  • @chesterz1
    @chesterz1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is probably the closest to the original you'll see. Karsavina coached Fonteyn in the role personally.

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  ปีที่แล้ว

      i agree - i have seen the photos of Karsavina coaching Fonteyn. curiously the other day i was looking a photo of her coaching the ballerina and John Gilpin in the ballet - which may originally have come from you.

  • @Feliandyx16
    @Feliandyx16 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing ¡¡¡¡¡¡ Thank for this, but what is the year of this ?? tHANKS Man

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      hi Feliandyx16
      if i recall it was 1976 - i'll check a bit and get back to you if i find differently.
      yes, two dancers of such different generations together.
      cheers!

  • @memphisflashfan1
    @memphisflashfan1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love Misha. But they didn’t stage that final leap out the window very well for him. We know how high he can leap. But there is something in the camera angle that captures his coming down from the leap. That wasn’t his fault- he can’t totally defy that laws of gravity. It was the camera angle.

  • @numberonefilmfan
    @numberonefilmfan 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    actually the footage i suspect is from the series that she narrated called The Magic of Dance; it's a kind of curiosity and very carefully done and edited -

  • @ibikongol4465
    @ibikongol4465 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just the Russian dancers can fly when they jump

  • @BytomGirl
    @BytomGirl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Not a ballet for Misha, he is too athletic in it, I am sure Vaslav didn't jump like that and his hands are too chaotic looking like hands of fakir coaxing snake out of the box. I love Misha but not here. This ballet should be more delicate, after all it is a woman's dream about a rose, rose that came to life and macho athletic rose just doesn't do it for me.

    • @KSfan4ever
      @KSfan4ever 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Definitely agree! The perfect dancer for this role was Nicolai Tsiskaridze, whose gorgeous, beautiful, exquisite characterization was mesmerizing.

    • @mgkos
      @mgkos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nup Васлав Нижинский ( Nijinsky) had superb lift in his jumps. Here’s a short doco wth photos 👇🏼
      And yes no one is like our Nikolai Tseskaridzhe who has never betrayed the Russian Ballet for money & fame in the West. (Not that Ballets Russes did, that was like for many of us, exile after the revolution in 1917).
      Original costume of Nijinsky’s is in Pushkin Museum & Art Gallery Moscow, still beautiful along wth Ernst Bakst’s other costumes & art.
      Enjoy th-cam.com/video/nsfHERoLZAM/w-d-xo.html

    • @BytomGirl
      @BytomGirl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nobody was in this role like Nikolai, he was perfect

    • @marineljenkings553
      @marineljenkings553 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@KSfan4ever I think Nureyev did a splendid job as well.

    • @rednight3507
      @rednight3507 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@marineljenkings553 I can't agree more. That's a sensual, gorgeous performance in 1981 with Denise Jackson. I like Misha very much, but feel he doesn't fit this role.

  • @simaraft7373
    @simaraft7373 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Curious is right.

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, i used the word very advisedly!

  • @farsouth2740
    @farsouth2740 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    he is an accomplished dancer, perfect, and a very handsome boy but he is not "inhabited". I find him flat.

  • @rosinevivet1634
    @rosinevivet1634 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ete

  • @rubyparrondo6139
    @rubyparrondo6139 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Very awkward and odd partnership. Not surprising that Baryshnikov, when not executing dazzling feats of athleticism, has nothing truly expressive to bring to a role such as this.

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, i think the pairing - and the fact that the ballet was performed by the BR in that theatre in Monte Carlo - was publicity driven. interestingly Baryshnikov talks about the technical and expressive difficulties of his role in his book 'Baryshnikov at Work'

    • @BytomGirl
      @BytomGirl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree Ruby, this should be more delicate, it is a rose that came to life in lonely woman's dream, not a macho man doll. II can't picture Nijinsky dancing it like this. And Misha's hands are more like hands of fakir. This is a favorite of mine from Saisons Russes
      th-cam.com/video/64Cq9RvTPYU/w-d-xo.html

    • @KSfan4ever
      @KSfan4ever 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BytomGirl Yes, Nicolai Tsiskaridze is captivating in this role! Of course, he was stunning in any role he danced!

    • @Qwerty-db1js
      @Qwerty-db1js ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BytomGirl Thanks for sharing. I know nothing about Nikolai T. but he is a great fragrant Rose 😍

  • @alexanderfu-dz6rs
    @alexanderfu-dz6rs ปีที่แล้ว

    I still like rudolf nureyev 's version better

    • @JohnRaymondHall
      @JohnRaymondHall  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yes, this is as much as anything a curiosity :)

  • @ЕленаВ.Н
    @ЕленаВ.Н 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Эта роль не для Барышникова!

  • @Татьяна-л1ы9у
    @Татьяна-л1ы9у 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    И чему тут восторгаться? Есть танцоры, исполнившие партию Розы намного техничнее, амплитуднее, красивее, чем пресловутый месье перебежчик.