I was usually having to wait a bit to pop riddle during my opener and wasn't sure why. It was due to synapse being in my mutilate macro. Thanks for explaining the interaction between synapse and on-use trinkets
Your recap on energy pooling for specifics from WoTLK that are applicable in Cata were very insightful. Thank you for taking the time to go over these things in this video for those of us that might have missed these concepts, previously. No doubt, I will be a much more effective Rogue now. Much appreciated, Sq.
i've been playing Sin as my main spec for the whole Xpac so far, and i keep trying to psyche myself up to become a Sub coper :') but i just cant bring myself to do it! every time i look at that rotation i quiver and the little demon on my shoulder just goes "play Sin, its heaps easier" hahaha
Never wanting to clip rupture is wrong though. Cata introduced a mechanic that lets you clip your dots befor the last tick and then adds the last tick to your new dots. For example if you have a rupture up on the boss and the remaining time is 1.9 sec you can recast a 5 cp rupture with glpyh and get a 21.9 sec rupture up instead of the usual max 20 sec rupture because its saves the last tick and carries it over. Not cliping is overall a dmg loss since you lose uptime unless you frame perfectly recast your rupture the frame it runs out.
Yeah if you take that mechanic at face value sure man. Often times you can’t clip rupture when you use it at high CP value so 4 cp vs 4 cp or 5/5 or 3/3. The only time this is relevant is when using rupture at lower CP which is generally not advised unless you would otherwise lose uptime on rupture. We aren’t warlocks or other dot classes. Rupture damage is extremely minimal, and usually that energy or trying to perfectly snapshot a rupture change would just be better used to keep envenom uptime. There are very VERY limited circumstances you can line this up properly and net a bonus and that bonus would be very small.
So for generalized advice, it’s better to not mislead people who often times don’t understand very minuet discrepancies that really don’t offer a noticeable benefit to their performance, and as I am learning hyperfixating on stuff like this usually has the opposite of its intended effect with how people absorb the information.
And as I have stated a lot in my discord, as well as on streams, I will be making more videos that dissect these types of discrepancies later on when I have a larger portfolio for people to learn/engage with, this would be the novice’s introduction to min maxing
i played assassin for years, moved to WW Monk in Dragon Flight and want to main Assassin in War With in to fill in a raid spot need for out guild. QUESTION. I am hitting the dummies regularly to understand Mythic DPS. Some of my parses are 650-750k, then on occasion i will hit 1.6M. i don't understand what key part of the rotation is causing the spike.. luck, Crits... no idea. Same in mythic dungeons, cruise along at 400k then BAM 1.6M with same (i think) key presses. Any ideas?
If rupture is falling off and I have 1 combo point. Is it better to pool energy and rupture for one when it falls off or mutilate for additional combo points then rupture assuming you don't loose uptime on rupture by doing this.
So there isn't a concrete answer for this yet. In general, a sim is preferring that you are always keeping rupture up so I would suggest doing what you can to keep it up as using 1-3 combo points for rupture should be enough
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So we are suppose to pop vendetta and cold blood mid rotation? I always pop it pre pull to put it on cool down asap.
Your rupture isn’t up, your slice and dice also isn’t up, any trinkets/Procs on weapons aren’t up. Meaning none of those are benefitting from Vendetta/CB
You’re increasing your damage with other modifiers as well. So adding more modifiers that increase your damage effectively utilize the damage bonus from vendetta better.
My only problem is after I apply all debuffs on the enemy and use cold blood, I end up having a bunch of energy and too many combo points, which I don’t want to waste on my rupture so I just end up using envenom. Is there a combo point waster that Assass rogues can use? (Btw, this only happens once or twice per raid boss and I still pump 26k dps, but was wanting to get the most out of my rotation
Hey Bro, I previously popped all CDs with first Rupture binded to it. What do you think about this? Like: /cast Rupture /use 13 /use 14 /cast Berserking I obviously chose riddle over synapse springs and popped it right after synapse faded.
With Vendetta being a 36s uptime with the glyph, my preference is to use Synapse Springs on the opener, since you are ramping up and not at full dmg capacity just yet, so I prefer to use the higher Agi from Unsolvable Riddle after the opener, when I am already firing on all cylinders. I macro Synapse and Vendetta with my initial garrote, then by the time 10s is over, you have SnD and Rupture up and should be able to pop Unsolvable Riddle with Cold Blood into your first Envenom, all with Agi Pot, River of Death at max stacks, UR and Vendetta up for max dmg. Your Vanish > Garrote and the next Rupture (which may be 3+ CPs if you are lucky with procs) also benefit from the higher Agi of UR + Vendetta.
NOTE: if you have a lot of haste or are getting lust/heroism on pull, then I would go with Unsolvable Riddle first, since you will Cold Blood >Envenom in under 10s.
Just curious if you wouldn’t mind sharing an aoe rotation or advice? For example if you run assination in heroics when would you fok spam vs trying to rupture in mobs etc?
Vanish right before the adds come out, garrote and rupture Maloriak, generate 3-5 CP redirect that to a swill, rupture that, FOK till energy depleted, big daddy bomb, then FoK spam again
Question - Shadowmeld for me is working to drop threat, but not pop into stealth. Can't Garrote with it, so the utility doesn't appear to be working. Is it working for anyone else?
Is Engineering/Tailoring going to remain king, or will it be Engineering/?? I read that Engineering/BS will be the bis professions as the expac goes on.
I was usually having to wait a bit to pop riddle during my opener and wasn't sure why. It was due to synapse being in my mutilate macro. Thanks for explaining the interaction between synapse and on-use trinkets
Happy to help!
Your recap on energy pooling for specifics from WoTLK that are applicable in Cata were very insightful. Thank you for taking the time to go over these things in this video for those of us that might have missed these concepts, previously. No doubt, I will be a much more effective Rogue now. Much appreciated, Sq.
Keep doing the videos! It’s really improved my playing as a rogue! Much appreciated! Dont stop!
i've been playing Sin as my main spec for the whole Xpac so far, and i keep trying to psyche myself up to become a Sub coper :') but i just cant bring myself to do it! every time i look at that rotation i quiver and the little demon on my shoulder just goes "play Sin, its heaps easier" hahaha
this is so valid lmao
@@Sqwurrelly sucks as well because you can't really practice it solo on a dummy! The HaT combo points are core to it
One of the best rogues out there, thanks for preparing me for raids^^
whose better?
lmfao
Never wanting to clip rupture is wrong though. Cata introduced a mechanic that lets you clip your dots befor the last tick and then adds the last tick to your new dots. For example if you have a rupture up on the boss and the remaining time is 1.9 sec you can recast a 5 cp rupture with glpyh and get a 21.9 sec rupture up instead of the usual max 20 sec rupture because its saves the last tick and carries it over. Not cliping is overall a dmg loss since you lose uptime unless you frame perfectly recast your rupture the frame it runs out.
Yeah if you take that mechanic at face value sure man. Often times you can’t clip rupture when you use it at high CP value so 4 cp vs 4 cp or 5/5 or 3/3. The only time this is relevant is when using rupture at lower CP which is generally not advised unless you would otherwise lose uptime on rupture. We aren’t warlocks or other dot classes. Rupture damage is extremely minimal, and usually that energy or trying to perfectly snapshot a rupture change would just be better used to keep envenom uptime. There are very VERY limited circumstances you can line this up properly and net a bonus and that bonus would be very small.
So for generalized advice, it’s better to not mislead people who often times don’t understand very minuet discrepancies that really don’t offer a noticeable benefit to their performance, and as I am learning hyperfixating on stuff like this usually has the opposite of its intended effect with how people absorb the information.
And as I have stated a lot in my discord, as well as on streams, I will be making more videos that dissect these types of discrepancies later on when I have a larger portfolio for people to learn/engage with, this would be the novice’s introduction to min maxing
i played assassin for years, moved to WW Monk in Dragon Flight and want to main Assassin in War With in to fill in a raid spot need for out guild. QUESTION. I am hitting the dummies regularly to understand Mythic DPS. Some of my parses are 650-750k, then on occasion i will hit 1.6M. i don't understand what key part of the rotation is causing the spike.. luck, Crits... no idea. Same in mythic dungeons, cruise along at 400k then BAM 1.6M with same (i think) key presses. Any ideas?
@@orvietojohnson this is for cata. I have no clue about retail
Whats better strat for opener burst , use ingi gloves first and then riddle trinket when rdy or first trinket and then gloves?
trinket first
Big up the guides. Ty mate
question . do wo swap 1.8 dagger in main hand when we spamming backstab ?
Hey! There's a section in my discord that goes into this in large detail. Feel free to join up and check the FAQ channel for more information
Can someone explain if Mutilate is empowered by Envenom in some other way than the additional poison application?
I thought cold blood didn't apply to overtime? Or are you wasting it on a buff overtime and no increase to burst damage?
Thanks for the video, best ive seen
If rupture is falling off and I have 1 combo point. Is it better to pool energy and rupture for one when it falls off or mutilate for additional combo points then rupture assuming you don't loose uptime on rupture by doing this.
So there isn't a concrete answer for this yet. In general, a sim is preferring that you are always keeping rupture up so I would suggest doing what you can to keep it up as using 1-3 combo points for rupture should be enough
So we are suppose to pop vendetta and cold blood mid rotation? I always pop it pre pull to put it on cool down asap.
you should not be doing that lol
@@Sqwurrelly why is that? Its just a damage buff on your target
Your rupture isn’t up, your slice and dice also isn’t up, any trinkets/Procs on weapons aren’t up. Meaning none of those are benefitting from Vendetta/CB
You’re increasing your damage with other modifiers as well. So adding more modifiers that increase your damage effectively utilize the damage bonus from vendetta better.
Haven't played since P1 wrath. Wish me luck lol. Good guide.
@@peyoteguy425 you’re gonna blast gamer
My only problem is after I apply all debuffs on the enemy and use cold blood, I end up having a bunch of energy and too many combo points, which I don’t want to waste on my rupture so I just end up using envenom. Is there a combo point waster that Assass rogues can use? (Btw, this only happens once or twice per raid boss and I still pump 26k dps, but was wanting to get the most out of my rotation
This is great stuff bud!
Holy sht found my content creator right there
You can also catch me on twitch ❤️
Hey Bro, I previously popped all CDs with first Rupture binded to it. What do you think about this? Like:
/cast Rupture
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Berserking
I obviously chose riddle over synapse springs and popped it right after synapse faded.
With Vendetta being a 36s uptime with the glyph, my preference is to use Synapse Springs on the opener, since you are ramping up and not at full dmg capacity just yet, so I prefer to use the higher Agi from Unsolvable Riddle after the opener, when I am already firing on all cylinders. I macro Synapse and Vendetta with my initial garrote, then by the time 10s is over, you have SnD and Rupture up and should be able to pop Unsolvable Riddle with Cold Blood into your first Envenom, all with Agi Pot, River of Death at max stacks, UR and Vendetta up for max dmg. Your Vanish > Garrote and the next Rupture (which may be 3+ CPs if you are lucky with procs) also benefit from the higher Agi of UR + Vendetta.
NOTE: if you have a lot of haste or are getting lust/heroism on pull, then I would go with Unsolvable Riddle first, since you will Cold Blood >Envenom in under 10s.
@@KarpundirQQ that sounds quite logical, but not prepotting is not worth the pot while you have everything up
You can clip rupture sub 2s left. That extra time will be added to the next rupture.
Sure this is an assa guide tho
@@Sqwurrelly I don't follow. Sin or Bat, clipping rupture sub 2s is ideal
@@majjek4791 you often can’t clip
Backstab spam after 35% not even mentioned btw. Dagger usage on each hand also.
Baller guide we salute you 🫡
Just curious if you wouldn’t mind sharing an aoe rotation or advice? For example if you run assination in heroics when would you fok spam vs trying to rupture in mobs etc?
My main suggestion I guess is only for Maloriak
Vanish right before the adds come out, garrote and rupture Maloriak, generate 3-5 CP redirect that to a swill, rupture that, FOK till energy depleted, big daddy bomb, then FoK spam again
Hope this helps ❤️
If using synapse strings and riddle, do we still pop strings with vendetta in the opener and just delay riddle usage for 10 sec?
good question bc I didn't really understand why strings and on use trinket should be viable at all
Riddle first then springs
is it always 1-3 combo points for rupture ? and envenom 4-5
no its whatever combo points you have when it falls off
These guides are gold. Thank you!
Question - Shadowmeld for me is working to drop threat, but not pop into stealth. Can't Garrote with it, so the utility doesn't appear to be working. Is it working for anyone else?
You can write a macro like so to use Shadowmeld for damage uptime
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast Garrote
Awesome! Love it❤
whats the nameplate addon youre using for yourself and target?
うわあああどがきたワクワクyou cannot escape the slow consumption of the stars
Do u have a talent spec link anywhere?
@@boothroydster in the discord ❤️
Hi, I’m a subtlety rogue but I cant find the backstab skill in any of my skill pages/talents. Is it bugged?
Haven’t heard of that idk man sorry
@@Sqwurrelly dont worry! found it in the combat skills, I’m a noob lol enjoying it so far
Holy shit I had no idea Synapse and on use shared a CD. Better check my CDs macro.
I dont think you mentioned back-stabbing to 5 combo points at
Can someone please help if i get 4 combo points from mutilate should i press sinister strike to get 1 combo point or mutilate??
No just envenom
Okk ty!!
Thanks for this!
Is Engineering/Tailoring going to remain king, or will it be Engineering/??
I read that Engineering/BS will be the bis professions as the expac goes on.
Anyone know? OP??
BS could overtake tailoring but currently tailoring is bis. Engi will always be a bis profession
Awesome Love it!
How I could zoom out camera like this?
hope theres a combat one in the works
Combat one coming soon!
Looking forward to sub guides ;))
Can I download your UI somewhere? its looking great
Links to where you can get my UI are in my Discord
Love the info man, but the audio fading in and out is killing me. 😢
Was an audio issue due to background noise. Will definitely be fixed in the future!
Somehow, you are very good at taking the fun out of the class
Thanks I try my best 🥰
@Sqwurrelly Still a great guide! Keep it up!
anyone know whats the poisons we use as assassination?
@@EnzoMesa-h8y instant poison 1.8 deadly 1.4
@@EnzoMesa-h8y if you have 2 1.4 daggers deadly MH instant off hand
Great video, ty keep it up!
rupture is dynamic, it doesn't snapshot
Demon lord senpai
Expertise to 26% as a sin rogue? ya or nah?
@@kehoff26 you can but it’s a DPS loss over just not going to expertise cap
2:30 standing off in narnia when cloak is off cd love to see it.
You can’t hear the comms but I was teaching my GDKP how to do the fight. Thanks tho
Assa one handed 😂 Rotation
W u t
Are you stacking any expertise at all? I hear it’s not required for assa rogues but dodging muts and ruptures sounds like ass
Not currently once fully raid geared I may reconsider
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Awesome Love it!❤