Additional things to note I did not include in the video: - Do not crimston tempest in ST. Only use if at least two targets. - Use FoK in 2 or more targets as your primary builder, pressing mutilate to maintain caustic (I say 3 or more targets in the video, but I recently ran a sim and it seems fok is the move even in 2 target) - Use FoK in ST when you have a clear the witness proc (deathstalker hero talent) - If you tab off your kingsbane target for any reason (i.e. spreading bleeds), ensure caustic spatter will last the duration of your kingsbane and DO NOT mutilate another mob while kb is active. Otherwise you lose A LOT of caustic damage. - Off hand weapon dps is like 3 times worse than your worst stat. Only Main hand weapon damage is important.
14 minutes in and I have to say this is the best assassination guide out there. You explained everything clearly and followed it with demonstration. I usually stick to outlaw but now I think I’ll try this spec out. Especially since I see majority of rogues playing it.
Hey man, been playing assa rogue for pretty much half my life and i gotta say you taught me some new shit. Ive always pvpd and never really stepped into pve much before, first season of doing mythics, really appreciate the time and effort you took to put this together, much love bro
I have my assa as my main alt, really enjoying the spec. I am leaning more towards the 2nd vanish just because in pugs and doing lower keys like 11-12s the tanks sometimes chain pull, which maybe the 2nd vanish will help. Great guide! exactly what I was looking for.
You did a great job with laying this out in a clear and easy way to digest. I appreciate the time you took to put this together. This is what I needed for a while now. I dropped rouge because I was so damn confused…until now. Subbed and will follow new videos as they come. Thank you very much. Mad respect!
I liked and subbed. It’s hard to find up to date guides like this. What’s really nice is going through a mythic and doing voice-overs while you slow down pulls and rewind them and talk about what you’re doing. You should try it! ;)
This is a fucking goldmine of usefull information mate. I would love to see a raid guide from you as well. But less focus on stats or rotation but more like who to minmax uptime, how you pl.ay certain encounters and why. stuff like this would be extremely valuable
Goated video was just complaining to a mate about how bad the assass rogue guides have been came across the one explained everything I wanted to know even the nuanced stuff I found hard to find in written guides
This was a great video, super organized and structured, probably the best put together video I've seen for rogues. The only thing i'd suggest is turning off game sound, as u are talking we're hearing players hit things in the game.
A trick for keeping track of your prio target in a huge pull is to set that target set as your focus. This becomes complicated if kicks are involved and you need to focus another mob to kick, HOWEVER some packs will have big mobs that you need to prio down that cast, and be sure to be vocal if your group is assigning kicks to want to be kicking the big mob that's going to have your mark on it. That way everything you need to worry about is on 1 mob, and if you ever lose it because of swapping you can use a target focus macro and instantly target it again in the chaos.
Nice thank you. I main assa and have been struggling to decide on a set m+ build since the 20th patch. I like how you broke down the choice talents and their application. Only thing I would add is the value of singular focus for prio dam in an aoe pack. Lastly, I did find a use for Fatebound. The gauntlet fight (angerforge I think his name is) in the BRD Heroic raid doesn’t allow you to restealth and often I’d have darkest night fall off due to run times between packs. So fatebound was nice to not have DM to play around.
great guide. So you only press ambush once? So you only apply your mark after using the 2 Ruptures? Doesnt that waste 2 Mark procs? Or did i get something wrong
not sure i fully understand the question, but you press ambush to apply your mark as your first global in a dungeon. but ambush is not a great global so ideally you utilize darkest night between pulls to reapply mark instead of using ambush again once your mark is out, go about applying bleeds. rupture and crimson tempest count as finishers so they will consume mark charges. in the video in one example i applied my mark late with a vanish. that was just because i forgot to apply it initially. which is also sometimes happens in keys!
fan is cheaper thats why it is used on 2 target. also you gain energy based on remaining duration of rupture is 1sec = 8 energy, bit nervous but good guide.
idk I think its kinda fun trying to cook and figure out the optimal way to do dam. but if that's not your style no harm in doing your own thing and playing the game the way u want
great guide ty! I am still confused about combo points and overcapping. eg. when im missing 1 combo point to full the bar, do I press a generator and potentially lose combo points/overcap or do I send it with one cp less?
Hey nice guide. im fine with AOE in M+ tho im fairly new to rogue in TWW but i HARD struggle with this talent tree at bosses. whats the best rotation for ST with this build ?
assa rogue's ST is probably it's weakness - so part of that is unavoidable. Your CD window is pretty much the same as in aoe, except you press mutilate as a builder instead of FoK. outside of cds its also the same idea - you just aren't able to use as many globals because you won't have the energy for it.
Actually very good guide, had to switch from outlaw because I was not doing enough damage for my 13 and up team and to get away from bugs. I wonder if there is a way to make a WA "if target has mark then make focus" kind of thing
outlaw suffers from target cap but outside of that is actually a very strong spec. you're overall might be low in some dungeons but you bring great prio and ST dam that would be a cool WA but ya I don't know of any that do that
uhh I have a bunch of macros I use for different things, and I don't know of an easy way to share all of them. Are there specific things you're wondering about?
@@kafuuwu4850 my kb macro legit does nothing (it just uses kingsbane) and my deathmark macro does the following: #showtooltip Deathmark /use Deathmark /use Tempered Potion /use Dreambound Augment Rune /use 14 where 14 is my trinket. I've also don't always use the pot part of the macro since there are often points in the dungeon where I want to hold pot for smth
so if its 5 mobs or less and you rupture your primary target. it looked like you ruptured the same target. Will it prioritize enemies with no rupture? when coming from stealth
nevermind. you bring it up. this is super helpful. i was just ignorign packs with 4 mobs and just hitting 3 for the sake of wasting time. this is great thanks
Shadowmeld is definitely a nice tool to solve dungeon mechanics/save vanish. You can also get a restealth with it if used correctly which id helpful for chain pulls and reapplying your bleeds. But I haven't personally played with it so I'm not sure much more or less valuable it is compared to dwarf
I notice you rupture the prio target twice during opener to spread them on all targets. Does the second rupture refresh the one on prio or does the second rupture automatically look for targets that don’t have the rupture bleed on them?
The second rupture applies to my current target (refreshing its duration) + the two other training dummies that don't yet have a rupture. That's why there's no need to target swap in a pull of 5 or less mobs, indiscriminate carnage will always prio applying bleeds to mobs that don't yet have them
no need, as long as you're within melee range of all the mobs, indiscriminate carnage will apply bleeds to targets that don't yet have them. so you can garrote/rupture off the same mob to spread your bleeds
So intuitively that makes sense and that's what I used to think, but that's not the case. kingsbane will hit harder on your shiv'd target, but that additional damage doesn't get translated through caustic. unfortunately I can't explain why because idk how it works, but there's several conversations in the rogue discord about it and the consensus is no, shiv doesn't affect caustic splatter.
You want to keep your bleeds up - if they're about to fall off while your pooling its worth spending the energy to reapply them. The big thing when pooling is not pressing envenom until your energy gets back to a good spot
Most of the time yes I'll target swap to maximize the number of bleeds I'm putting out w/ garrote and rupture. The only situations I might not do it are in MASS aoe pulls when my cds are up and I don't think I'll be able to efficiently navigate back to my prio target for my go window. Also, the larger the pull, the more my damage profile leans into CT and caustic as my main source of damage, since those two abilities affect every mob in a pull unlike my garrotes/ruptures. So it becomes more punishing losing track of my prio target, and less punishing losing out on an additional garrote/rupture.
Bone spike comes out on average to about 2% of your total dps in a dungeon and is almost never worth it. Smoothing out your opening rotation is the only benefit.
for sure, it doesn't do much for your overall and aoe. but that % is larger in ST, which is the main benefit of the talent. Of the "optional" rogue talents I discuss, bonespike provides the largest benefit in ST
I don't get how shiv increases poison damage, which increases kingsbane damage, which should increase the caustic splatter damage while active, yet you say it doesn't work. did blizzard do this on purpose or? Explain the reasoning why envenom amping poison damage doesn't scale to aoe with shiv off the main target.
I don't understand why either. For this specific point I'm regurgitating what I read off the rogue discord, written by people that understand the spec better than I do.
IT 100% WORKS. Shiv increases nature damage by 30% for 8 seconds. You want to use this at last 8 seconds of kingsbane with a thistle at 6 seconds for max damage output.
it's good to keep track of at least one of your bleed buffs from stealth - in the UI I use you can see the red bar that ticks down is tracking my indiscriminate carnage buff. In 11.0.5 all your out of stealth buffs share the same duration so you only really need to track one of them. It's also a good idea to keep track of your darkest night buff between pulls (hero talent) otherwise most of your attention is spent tracking debuffs that you apply to mobs. bleeds, caustic, deathstalker's mark, etc.
I'd also add clear the witness procs to the list of buffs to track - its your hero talent that buffs FoK, as you always want to press it when you have a proc
Additional things to note I did not include in the video:
- Do not crimston tempest in ST. Only use if at least two targets.
- Use FoK in 2 or more targets as your primary builder, pressing mutilate to maintain caustic (I say 3 or more targets in the video, but I recently ran a sim and it seems fok is the move even in 2 target)
- Use FoK in ST when you have a clear the witness proc (deathstalker hero talent)
- If you tab off your kingsbane target for any reason (i.e. spreading bleeds), ensure caustic spatter will last the duration of your kingsbane and DO NOT mutilate another mob while kb is active. Otherwise you lose A LOT of caustic damage.
- Off hand weapon dps is like 3 times worse than your worst stat. Only Main hand weapon damage is important.
Hey I was wondering if there is a link for your rouge UI and ad-ons?
@@hawtramen8440 in my discord! It's in the description
Holy cow, a video that actually explains the nuanced points without waffling on and making things totally confusing.
Appreciate the video my dude!
14 minutes in and I have to say this is the best assassination guide out there. You explained everything clearly and followed it with demonstration. I usually stick to outlaw but now I think I’ll try this spec out. Especially since I see majority of rogues playing it.
This is by far the best tutorial on Rogue. Thanks a lot .
Hey man, been playing assa rogue for pretty much half my life and i gotta say you taught me some new shit. Ive always pvpd and never really stepped into pve much before, first season of doing mythics, really appreciate the time and effort you took to put this together, much love bro
Great job bro. Finally an assassin guide that is easily comprehensible.
dude you are my hero, i was just picking up this alt a bit more seriously and ive been really needing a good guide. thank you!
I have my assa as my main alt, really enjoying the spec. I am leaning more towards the 2nd vanish just because in pugs and doing lower keys like 11-12s the tanks sometimes chain pull, which maybe the 2nd vanish will help. Great guide! exactly what I was looking for.
You did a great job with laying this out in a clear and easy way to digest. I appreciate the time you took to put this together. This is what I needed for a while now. I dropped rouge because I was so damn confused…until now. Subbed and will follow new videos as they come. Thank you very much. Mad respect!
As a beginner in wow playing rogue assas this is the best guide out there.
my DPS has gone up substantially thanks to this video, thanks. subbed.
Thanks Bro! Way better explained the little details than other guides, cleared a lot of doudts I had about the spec!
Amazing guide, video felt a lot shorter than it actually was. No fluff and great pacing 👍
more than qualified at 3100 IO buddy. thanks for the video
Learned a lot from watching your vids/stream and stoked to go through the guide. Thanks!
I liked and subbed. It’s hard to find up to date guides like this.
What’s really nice is going through a mythic and doing voice-overs while you slow down pulls and rewind them and talk about what you’re doing. You should try it! ;)
thanks for the idea - I might try that!
hey mate came across your guide i want to try a rogue for the first time must say amazing guide keep up the good work
This is a fucking goldmine of usefull information mate. I would love to see a raid guide from you as well. But less focus on stats or rotation but more like who to minmax uptime, how you pl.ay certain encounters and why. stuff like this would be extremely valuable
NOW this is the real guide! i subbed! this is very easy to learn and very helpful guide. nice presentation brother!
i shiv you not i learned a lot watching this
Goated video was just complaining to a mate about how bad the assass rogue guides have been came across the one explained everything I wanted to know even the nuanced stuff I found hard to find in written guides
This was a great video, super organized and structured, probably the best put together video I've seen for rogues.
The only thing i'd suggest is turning off game sound, as u are talking we're hearing players hit things in the game.
Damn prob best guide ive ever seen, thank you
A trick for keeping track of your prio target in a huge pull is to set that target set as your focus. This becomes complicated if kicks are involved and you need to focus another mob to kick, HOWEVER some packs will have big mobs that you need to prio down that cast, and be sure to be vocal if your group is assigning kicks to want to be kicking the big mob that's going to have your mark on it. That way everything you need to worry about is on 1 mob, and if you ever lose it because of swapping you can use a target focus macro and instantly target it again in the chaos.
Holy nice vid bor! whats ur plater btw ? look really nice for seeing all of this bleed . ty!
jundies, u can find a link to the profile in my discord!
solid guide man. hands down best out there
Yo mate. You thinking of doing another chasing title m+ series. Really enjoyed the last one in DF
Great video, I’m new to rogue and this video was super helpful thank you!
Do you stream also by chance?
I do! www.twitch.tv/shindigwow
Great job! We need a raid guide too ;)
Nice thank you. I main assa and have been struggling to decide on a set m+ build since the 20th patch. I like how you broke down the choice talents and their application. Only thing I would add is the value of singular focus for prio dam in an aoe pack.
Lastly, I did find a use for Fatebound. The gauntlet fight (angerforge I think his name is) in the BRD Heroic raid doesn’t allow you to restealth and often I’d have darkest night fall off due to run times between packs. So fatebound was nice to not have DM to play around.
Good point on the fatebound application!
What plater profile do you use? Great video btw
jundies, u can find a link to it in my discord!
I love your Rogue HUD! I was wondering if you could share the weakaura? :)
Ofc, you can find it in the ui channel in my discord
damn so cool, can you do it for single target raids? like quick one for max single target raid
thx dawg helps a ton
Really simple explained thanks a lot! gained a sub
Do you have a video breaking down your UI and addons? The enemy plates are so clean.
I do not - but I share most of my WAs in the UI channel of my discord if you want to use any of them
What would be helpful is like 2-3 minut ST rotation so we can see the concept of pooling and bursting in practice.
Great video i'm still messing up my caustic spatter though lol
great guide. So you only press ambush once? So you only apply your mark after using the 2 Ruptures? Doesnt that waste 2 Mark procs? Or did i get something wrong
not sure i fully understand the question, but you press ambush to apply your mark as your first global in a dungeon. but ambush is not a great global so ideally you utilize darkest night between pulls to reapply mark instead of using ambush again
once your mark is out, go about applying bleeds. rupture and crimson tempest count as finishers so they will consume mark charges.
in the video in one example i applied my mark late with a vanish. that was just because i forgot to apply it initially. which is also sometimes happens in keys!
Muy buena guía. Goat guide 💪
Honestly the indiscriminate carnage double-hit main target saved my tab targeting ahh
fan is cheaper thats why it is used on 2 target. also you gain energy based on remaining duration of rupture is 1sec = 8 energy, bit nervous but good guide.
good to know!
I miss the old days of WOW when you didn't need a degree in engineering jjust to kill some mobs.
idk I think its kinda fun trying to cook and figure out the optimal way to do dam. but if that's not your style no harm in doing your own thing and playing the game the way u want
Im tossed with the talent section
great guide ty! I am still confused about combo points and overcapping. eg. when im missing 1 combo point to full the bar, do I press a generator and potentially lose combo points/overcap or do I send it with one cp less?
Sending a finisher at 5/6 cps is fine, the only time you need to hit 7 and potentially overcap is when have a darkest night proc
Hey nice guide. im fine with AOE in M+ tho im fairly new to rogue in TWW but i HARD struggle with this talent tree at bosses. whats the best rotation for ST with this build ?
assa rogue's ST is probably it's weakness - so part of that is unavoidable. Your CD window is pretty much the same as in aoe, except you press mutilate as a builder instead of FoK. outside of cds its also the same idea - you just aren't able to use as many globals because you won't have the energy for it.
Actually very good guide, had to switch from outlaw because I was not doing enough damage for my 13 and up team and to get away from bugs.
I wonder if there is a way to make a WA "if target has mark then make focus" kind of thing
outlaw suffers from target cap but outside of that is actually a very strong spec. you're overall might be low in some dungeons but you bring great prio and ST dam
that would be a cool WA but ya I don't know of any that do that
this is a pretty nice guide, breakdown is easy to follow however, i think the import string is incorrect to what build you're displaying.
thanks! I just checked the string and it seems correct compared to what I show in the video
can you do a single target raid guide?
Can you make rotation for raid
Hey amazing video ! Is there any way we can have the macros you use?
uhh I have a bunch of macros I use for different things, and I don't know of an easy way to share all of them. Are there specific things you're wondering about?
@@shindigg672 Kingsbane and Death Mark especially pls !
@@kafuuwu4850 my kb macro legit does nothing (it just uses kingsbane) and my deathmark macro does the following:
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Deathmark
/use Tempered Potion
/use Dreambound Augment Rune
/use 14
where 14 is my trinket. I've also don't always use the pot part of the macro since there are often points in the dungeon where I want to hold pot for smth
so if its 5 mobs or less and you rupture your primary target. it looked like you ruptured the same target. Will it prioritize enemies with no rupture? when coming from stealth
nevermind. you bring it up. this is super helpful. i was just ignorign packs with 4 mobs and just hitting 3 for the sake of wasting time. this is great thanks
What about shadowmeld? Is it really usefull or i should roll Dwarf? Thank you.
Shadowmeld is definitely a nice tool to solve dungeon mechanics/save vanish. You can also get a restealth with it if used correctly which id helpful for chain pulls and reapplying your bleeds. But I haven't personally played with it so I'm not sure much more or less valuable it is compared to dwarf
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I notice you rupture the prio target twice during opener to spread them on all targets. Does the second rupture refresh the one on prio or does the second rupture automatically look for targets that don’t have the rupture bleed on them?
The second rupture applies to my current target (refreshing its duration) + the two other training dummies that don't yet have a rupture. That's why there's no need to target swap in a pull of 5 or less mobs, indiscriminate carnage will always prio applying bleeds to mobs that don't yet have them
Good looks bro
bro can you show us how to sim properly like best gems etc, top gear etc etc
tbh I think there are a lot of other people out in the wow space with a better understanding of how to use raid bots than I do so I don't plan on it
do we tab target to apply bleeeds at the start of a pack with say 5 targets?
no need, as long as you're within melee range of all the mobs, indiscriminate carnage will apply bleeds to targets that don't yet have them. so you can garrote/rupture off the same mob to spread your bleeds
Can you share your Plater profile?
You can find it in the ui channel in my discord!
I might be wrong but shiv buffs kings and and kingsbane does spread with caustic
So intuitively that makes sense and that's what I used to think, but that's not the case. kingsbane will hit harder on your shiv'd target, but that additional damage doesn't get translated through caustic.
unfortunately I can't explain why because idk how it works, but there's several conversations in the rogue discord about it and the consensus is no, shiv doesn't affect caustic splatter.
@@shindigg672it does, the amplified kb damage spatters.
On ST if you’re pooling energy you said not to reapply bleeds? I find myself so starved just trying to keep bleeds up and feinting stuff.
You want to keep your bleeds up - if they're about to fall off while your pooling its worth spending the energy to reapply them. The big thing when pooling is not pressing envenom until your energy gets back to a good spot
this is so nice! Are you not swapping targets on AoE at all for the dots?
Most of the time yes I'll target swap to maximize the number of bleeds I'm putting out w/ garrote and rupture.
The only situations I might not do it are in MASS aoe pulls when my cds are up and I don't think I'll be able to efficiently navigate back to my prio target for my go window. Also, the larger the pull, the more my damage profile leans into CT and caustic as my main source of damage, since those two abilities affect every mob in a pull unlike my garrotes/ruptures. So it becomes more punishing losing track of my prio target, and less punishing losing out on an additional garrote/rupture.
whats the weakaura for this?
which WA?
hi mate what's your plater profil pls share and weakauras pls thx for guides
You can find most of my UI and WA elements in my discord! Link in the description
Bone spike comes out on average to about 2% of your total dps in a dungeon and is almost never worth it. Smoothing out your opening rotation is the only benefit.
for sure, it doesn't do much for your overall and aoe. but that % is larger in ST, which is the main benefit of the talent. Of the "optional" rogue talents I discuss, bonespike provides the largest benefit in ST
I don't get how shiv increases poison damage, which increases kingsbane damage, which should increase the caustic splatter damage while active, yet you say it doesn't work. did blizzard do this on purpose or? Explain the reasoning why envenom amping poison damage doesn't scale to aoe with shiv off the main target.
I don't understand why either. For this specific point I'm regurgitating what I read off the rogue discord, written by people that understand the spec better than I do.
IT 100% WORKS. Shiv increases nature damage by 30% for 8 seconds. You want to use this at last 8 seconds of kingsbane with a thistle at 6 seconds for max damage output.
what WA is that?
which one?
@@shindigg672 the main rouge WA you have with energy and Cool-downs. its similar to my shaman one i like it more then the default LUX one
@Cyreal55 it's a variant of afenar's rogue pack - you can find a link to it in the ui channel of my discord!
Damn assy went from a brainless spec to blood dk level complicated lol
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Thanks for the guide! Appreciate the effort!
What buffs we will have to keep an eye/track as assassination rogue
it's good to keep track of at least one of your bleed buffs from stealth - in the UI I use you can see the red bar that ticks down is tracking my indiscriminate carnage buff. In 11.0.5 all your out of stealth buffs share the same duration so you only really need to track one of them. It's also a good idea to keep track of your darkest night buff between pulls (hero talent)
otherwise most of your attention is spent tracking debuffs that you apply to mobs. bleeds, caustic, deathstalker's mark, etc.
I'd also add clear the witness procs to the list of buffs to track - its your hero talent that buffs FoK, as you always want to press it when you have a proc