Tesla 'Full Self Driving' on Normal UK Roads - Software 2023.44.30.5.1- How many Fails in 30 Mins?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ธ.ค. 2023
- 25 Mile Drive on UK A Roads using Tesla Full Self Driving Capability Upgrade on Enhanced Autopilot in a Tesla Model 3 Performance
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Great to see you back. I remember reading that the steering was a strangulation issue and that's why it's restricted. Steer by wire on the new cars will sort it all out.
In the EU / UK there is a limit on how far the car can turn by itself which is the real restriction. It is not as restricted or limited in the US.
Steer by wire really won't make a huge difference as it is still going to be a motor moving the steering mechanism and the EU / UK Laws will still be enforced.
Steer by wire just means that the computer is always doing the steering. The wheel is just a sensor input, then the computer turns a motor. It makes it cheaper and less complex for companies, but in many ways will take away even more of the real feel of driving and connection between driver and road.
10:40 really common mistake but "dual carriageway" does not mean 2 lanes - it means the road has a central reservation, so this was not a dual carriageway, just a 2 lane road where national speed limit would still be 60
100% correct but way easier to just say dual carriageway 😂👍🏽
Its a 'single carriageway' 👍
Yes to see more drives like this please.
Good review again, realistic for UK roads. My 3 is a bit more buggy as well with this update, seems worse than last month. The UK gov are changing legislation on FSD cars so we might just see Tesla unleash FSD Beta in the UK at last this year! Fingers crossed. Thanks.
Thanks for the video. I used to actually drive this road from Worcester to Hereford for work 🤣
Pleasure! It’s a lovely drive isn’t it, but can get very slow at either end
Hi I just did a Christmas road trip from the northwest to Cornwall then round to Swansea and then back home using the M50 in my M3P. On a couple of occasions it took off the full self-driving central single line and reverted to the 2 outside blue lines. I also noticed that your ride here was with the two blue lines all the way instead of the single central blue line...
Could you please explain the difference between the two modes and why mine changed from one central line to two and then reverted back later..? - also why the two blue lines for you when you had a destination set..? Cheers! 👍
Great video the good news is, the government have just passed a law that will allow full autonomy on our roads in the year 2026 on UK roads which is only two years away and then we will get all the Tesla modifications that will allow the car to do full self driving on its own by that time my 2019 model will be seven years old but as I paid for self driving for a minimal fee of £2000 it will make this car very sellable in two years. nice to see back making videos it’s been way too long all the best for the New Year have a happy one Mal
just wondering how I've only just found your channel! I like watching Omar's FSD drives, but they are all in the US, nice to see a UK drive for a change. Hopefully I'll be able to get a Tesla in a couple of years time, I'm in Kent
Always nice to see a new face in the comments! I’ll be carrying on weekly videos in 2024 but there’s a big back catalogue of UK driving if you want to check them out :)
Nice video…was going to say I guess it helps following another vehicle but you answered that in the video…just another thing I’m sure you know you can set self drive to speed limit by touching the speed limit icon on the screen 😜👍
Yeh the van helped, having any lead car that does below the speed limit and can’t take corners fast helps a lot 😂 I do know about touching the speed sign but as I have tremors I struggle and just stick to the scroll wheel
Will you try covering the cabin camera whilst using AP and show what happens? I dont think its right that the cabin camera is required as neither the driver or occupants have consented to being recorded regardless if it leaves the car or not, its still stored in the black box. Does it still function?
Very interesting. Do you think it's significantly more sophisticated than the basic Autopilot? On those roads, provided you braked and accelerated as required, and manually observed traffic lights/restrictions, it seems like Autopilot would achieve broadly the same thing.
Yes standard AP would be nearly the same experience, defo not worth upgrading yet unless you really wanted to
This is interesting stuff. Tell me if you could start again would you spend your money on EAP or FSD, or would you stick to AP?. I ask as there does not seem to be much additional benefits for UK roads.
I’d just get AP until changes are made but I was told it would be able to do so much more by 2020 so it would be worth it… it was not 😅
Thank you for posting this - very informative. To be honest I prefer my Audi driver assistance, especially how it anticipates reducing speed limits and gradually brakes beforehand
Your welcome :) I did a video on Audi AI driving about 4 years ago, has it changed since then??
I closed my eyes for a few seconds (here in France) with this update and I was told off by the Tesla.
If I have to keep my hand on the wheel at all times then I may as well do the steering. I may be mistaken but it all seems a bit pointless.
Hopefully, we get Mercedes' L4 tech as well. It's supposed to manage full turning using LiDAR and vision.
I recently bought a used Model 3 (early 2020 version, before the first refresh) it has the Enhanced auto pilot. I don't know if you've driven EAP before FSD, but the few things I was interested in was, 1. Does it hande roundabouts? 2. Does it handle zebra crossings and 3. Does it do any better at reducing speed before entering a lower speed limit area, like 60 into 40, which is common in the country side. Oh and does it slow down for bends or still try to do everything at the full speed limit set? Cheers.
I've got a Model Y with EAP and it doesn't do any of that. Really AP and EAP aren't designed for non segregated dual carriage ways or motorways, so using it on normal roads works but it's not advised because it's not doing any of the automation you'd get with real FSD beta.
EAP can't do roundabouts as it just follows clearly marked lanes and can't do sharp turns.
It won't stop for traffic lights, junctions or pedestrian crossings unless there's a car in front of you - but this is purely because of traffic aware cruise control.
It doesn't reduce speed when entering a different limit, although it will detect the sign correctly. You have to manually change speed with the scroll wheel, but this works well enough.
It sometimes slows for bends, but not always and it isn't very good at anything tight.
If you have paid for FSD beta in the UK then all you really gain is traffic light awareness added into EAP.
I think it's REALLY important that people point out that EAP is nothing like actual FSD - just watch some US videos showing FSD beta in action, the car is far more automated and intelligent in how it approaches navigating the world. Using EAP as if it's FSD is dangerous.
It’s the same thing plus traffic light and stop sign control. It doesn’t do roundabouts. It ‘sometimes’ stops for pedestrian crossings but only if people are at the crossing (see my last video for that) I don’t think it reduces speed better but cannot confirm that. It does slow for bends but not enough imo, it will slow for turnings off onto another road if you’ve set a sat nav route :)
It's all a little sedate for my taste. I'd prefer it to make a bit more progress. One day that might be a user setting. It's also frustrating that there are so many rules limiting it. Eventually I imagine it will work in every situation and be proven enough for restrictions to be lifted.
Edit: having said that, oof, it really should slow down to 30 before the 30 sign.
Is the UK Tesla Full Self driving option do any more than a vehicle equipped with Adaptive Cruise Control and the Lane Assist turned on?
It wasn't a particularly good test as the van in front was probably influencing the Tesla's speed.
Like others have said, it is good to have you back.
I would however urge you to edit the drives so they are limited to how the self-driving deals with the challenges it comes across.
For example, with nothing in front on a 60mph A road, if there is a sharp corner, normally indicated only by chevrons in front, will FSD use the map, and/or the chevrons and adjust the speed, because if it were Adaptive Cruise Control it would try and take the corner at the maximum speed.
Yes it does the Traffic light and stop sign control as shown early in the video. Sadly o cannot control traffic and this was just a genuine drive that I did with no planning or tweaking to make it work better or worse. Without a vehicle ahead some corners would of been more jerky for sure, I’ll look at redoing it on a Sunday when it’s less busy and there’s an open road ahead 👍🏽
When the speed limit changes, tap the speed limit sign on the display. This will then set the max speed accordingly.
It makes sense to me that it doesn’t change it (yet) because you can’t have it anchored all on when it misreads. I’ve had my Y for less than a month and I’ve had it appear to read a new limit off the back of an HGV…
Or hold down the gear select stock to change the speed limit
This is not really fsd is it ? Looks about the same as my old Tiguan managed via adaptive cruise. Looks like you have to manage it most of the time🤷♂️
Will your Tiguan change lane by itself? Will it move by itself after traffic came to a complete stop repeatedly such as in a traffic jam? My guess is a big NO!
Is this on fsd or auto pilot?
I don’t how many miles you’ve done, but could you possibly do like a high mileage review of the car. It would be helpful for those considering going down the used route for model 3’s so they know what to expect with higher mileage cars
You should check out Bjørn Nyland on youtube. He has a massive backlog on battery degradation tests on Teslas and other EVs.
Yes I’ll be coming up to 5 years with this M3 in 2024 & will defo cover it 👍🏽
@@Noksus Love his channel
@@TeslaDriver Great stuff. Look forward to it
That was such an easy road to drive on. Not much of a test considering you had the white van there for most of the journey acting as a pace car, so the human driver was making the decisions about speed and braking, and did it better. Try a drive that takes you through Manchester city centre, then across the Pennines on the Snake Pass. At night. In heavy rain.
I’ve done Manchester city center and snakes pass in a video a couple years back, also many nighttime and heavy rain/storm drives feel free to go check them out! :) this was a normal journey on a normal road at a normal time, I cannot part the cars infront of me and nothing was planned, I went on a drive and pressed record! yes it helped having the van infront for speed control but as the Tesla can’t overtake anymore (previously it did but rules changed) there’s not much I can do
I have enhanced AP on my 3 which seems identical to FSD here in the uk. Is there any actual difference between the 2 at the moment here in the uk?
The only difference is the ‘Traffic Light & Stop Sign control’ - basically don’t upgrade yet 😂👍🏽
@@TeslaDriver no chance! 🤣
My main frustration is with the regulation in the UK, as we are no longer part of the EU why do we allow there rules. I only hope sooner rather than later we strike our own set of regulations then hopefully we may see Tesla letting us use beta and possibly version 12 which looks incredible compared to anything else
Totally agree, this will be my fifth year with the M3 and I was told it would self drive on city streets 4 years ago… watching FSD in the states I don’t doubt it would struggle in the UK but with V12 & new regulation I’m hoping 2024 finally gets some change
@TeslaDriver I originally had a 3 but now have a Y and I bought fsd on both occasions. Its frustrating to watch how much more the technology can do, but we are denied it due to regulation. But here's hoping 24 may bring a change for the better
Of course it will be a lot harder to learn UK roads if FSD is not being beta tested on them.
It's much easier to break it than make it. Leaving the EU ok but we've kept/copied the regulations and it'll take years for anything more than isolated changes to be made to legislation. Judging by the performance of the government we have it will be very slow unless there's huge demand.
The UK is one of the more vocal opponents of relaxing UNECE regulations. The UNECE has got nothing to do with us being in the EU or not.
I'm confused by the video description, are you using FSD or EAP?
I have EAP not FSD. I rarely use EAP because even on a dual carriage way, it veers off when I pass lay-by's / filter lanes because it seems to get confused with the extra white lines as far as I can tell, very disconcerting.
FSD, but FSD in the UK is ONLY traffic light and stop sign control, nothing like FSD Beta in the states
@@TeslaDriver but it’s still distinctly a different software upgrade to EAP.
It’s:
1. AP = Free
2. EAP = £3400
3. FSD = £6800
None are as good as the USA offerings and are crippled versions in the UK.
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I think the “turning force” rule is dangerous. Many times I have 2 hands on the wheel and the car complains I’m not in control. I then put turning force on and the car changes direction!
In my Golf 8 it makes you grip the steering wheel instead of applying turning pressure. That's not very relaxing either. I'm always holding the steering wheel and being attentive.
@@mgf788 if you have your hands on ok and you’re looking at the road why should it complain?
@@egg399. I tend to put my elbow on the window ledge and hold the steering wheel lightly when I'm going along a long straight road. If anything happens I'm ready to react but I admit it's not textbook!
Never trust it to get sharp corners at the right speed or the right road position. Otherwise it does make driving less tiring.
Why do you have FSD in the title? it's only Advanced Autopilot. FSD Beta is not available in the UK.
Extra info in the description, this is the FSD upgrade in the UK not just EAP, hence it’s in the title and it doesn’t say FSD BETA - I wish I had the BETA 🤞🏽
If you hold down the speed limit sign, it'll increase/decrease
Yeh sadly my shaky hands find that hard to do 😂 scrolling the wheel allows for more control and is easier imo
@@TeslaDriver But surely it's the same as my Model S and you can just hold the autopilot stalk for 1 second to match whatever the current speed is (including whatever the offset you have)??
Honestly not sure as the 1 pull autopilot update may make it disengage? Will give it a try and report back 👍🏽 I’ve gotten pretty used to scrolling for speed and quite like it tbh
@@TeslaDriver Ah... See I've only tried on the double pull as I don't have single pull on. Don't like not having the option of adaptive cruise without autosteer which you can only get with a single pull 🤷🏻
As an American driving on the left like that looks so wrong and scary. Gives me a panic attack while watching.
Seems like it's more of a regulation limitation than a capability limitation for you at the moment. Hopefully that changes in the near future. :)
I hope so too
2:40
It seems to me that more effort is required to monitor the Tesla's performance than one would use in normal driving ...... !
It would be great if it spotted potholes and avoided them haha
Yeh this will be a very difficult one for the car to judge, I’m not sure even the BETA in the states does this??
Here's hoping folks in the UK did not pay 12k for FSD
The software 2023.44.30.5.1 update has nothing to do with FSD. The latest version of FSD is now at Beta 11.something, and the version 12.xx will be the first non-beta.If you refer to Autopilot or to Advanced Autopilot, that's not the same as FSD.
You’re confusing the UK with the US version. FSD over here is literally just the light and stop control, without buying FSD over here it will just go through them no matter what. I did explain it in the video that’s what they call ‘Full Self Driving Capability’ which is crazy but I’m using Teslas own wording. Also the V12 has been released but is still currently a beta, hopefully with a wide release it won’t be in beta but currently it is 👍🏽
@@TeslaDriver My Belgian Model Y LR has Advanced Autopilot. They offered also the FSD for 7800 €, but I found that meaningless as it's not launched in the EU and I believe there's no regulatory approval of it as yet. The Advanced Autopilot is great for road trips as it basically has the same functionaries as the FSD but only on motorways. In urban areas I prefer to drive myself. Happy New Year to you!
Speaking as a former Advanced Driving instructor, my opinion of what the Tesla thinks is good driving, is that it would fail a basic UK driving test on observation, hazard perception and positioning alone.
The vehicle, whether being driven by a person or not, should be AT the posted speed limit when it passes the first sign, not some random point further down the road. Positioning is awful and hazard perception barely reactionary at best. I would fail any person who drove like that!
Until the general standard of driving improves, this technology will be treated as a sort of holy grail by those who after years of driving, couldn’t pass a Driving Test if suddenly required to do so and without any revision or training. When you can do that, only then can you properly assess what a theoretical replacement for a driver should be capable of.
Yeh defo, my 6 year old can drive better than this on video games with a steering wheel and pedals 😅
@@TeslaDriver That might be an interesting comparison video to make.
at 3:50 the car entered a 40mph zone at 54mph. 3 penalty points, and £100 fine
I would like the car to be further towards the right side of my lane. On a motorway the car will brake suddenly if the car in the inner lane is nearly on the line.
@@pvelectronics4291 i very much doubt that traffic police would accept the excuse of ‘because FSD’
Is it auto pilot or actually full self driving beta?
Put it In the description, it’s full self driving capabilities upgrade of enhanced autopilot which has some extra features, not the FSD Beta
@@TeslaDriver thanks for the clarification.
In am driving like a muppet, but i am an automated muppet, hey, so all good.
I see no advantage over auto pilot, coming off & on with roundabouts, etc. Glad I haven't bothered with this expense. But thanks for showing.
No problem!
I think by 2035 the technology will peak and by 2040 we will have cars with no steering wheels, I think steering wheels will remain in cars throughout the 2030s and the driver will be responsible and cannot be impaired or distracted just in case
Sounds like a fair timeline, how do you think insurance will work? Could an under 17 be driven alone?? That’s roughly when my kids will be turning 17
@@TeslaDriversounds like you want to get out of dadtaxi duties 😜
@@TeslaDriver My understanding is that hotels don't offer to younger than either 16 or 18 so I think there will be a similar age limit even though they don't drive
I really wish Tesla wouldn't sell "Full Self Driving beta" in the UK, given all it really does is add traffic light awareness into EAP.
EAP isn't remotely the same as the FSD beta in the USA, it's just traffic aware cruise control and lane keeping with the ability to semi-automate lane changes on motorways/dual carriageways when navigate on autopilot is enabled. The car doesn't have any real awareness of what it's doing beyond speed and lane keeping, plus the normal safety systems to auto-brake for objects, so using it on non-segregated carriageways is just too risky (and not what it's designed for).
Don't get me wrong EAP is amazing on motorway journeys, 'navigate on autopilot' really reduces the driving load and does a good job of lane changing.
It's just not 'full self driving' in any sense of the term. Hopefully the law changes and we do get access to real FSD, be interesting to see how that performs on the often more complicated UK city streets versus the US grid layouts.
throw some hotwheels toy cars on road to see how tesla reacts??
I don’t think the cameras are good enough to pick them up, maybe an RC car size?
@@TeslaDriver THANKS for replying... I have requested many youtubers for many years, no one has done this, pls try different variation and different sized car toys on the road, tesla might think assume it may be a car which Is far because of size.
It will be a very interesting experiment, pls try...
And this video might go viral too..
@@TeslaDriver and there is not even a single video on this, in the entire internet.
Wait, so is this FSD beta or Autopilot?
This is Full Self Driving Capability EAP in the UK - Not FSD Beta like in the states 👍🏽
@@TeslaDriver FSD Capability EAP? I don't understand what that means. Is it FSD or autopilot? It can't be both.
@@TeslaDriver I understand that might be what it's called by the way but one system is trying to reach full autonomy and the other is a driving assist. I'm just wondering what I'm looking at.
@@HopeIsFleeting I agree his description is confusing. All Tesla's have an FSD capable computer, so that's irrelevant. In the UK there all cars have AP but there are two upgrade options, EAP which is £3,400 and FSD which is £6,800. I still can't fathom if use using EAP (stage 1 upgrade of AP) or FSD (the stage 2 upgrade of AP).
Why ruin a nice drive nannying a piece of tech and worrying as to whether its going to throw a wobbly? Can anyone provide any valid reason as to what the point of this actually is, because I'm seriously having trouble coming up with one.... 🤔
(21:43 mark) I think the reason the vehicle went onto the wrong side of the road is due to the fact that it's programmed for US driving and needs to learn UK driving infrastructure and laws.
We Americans place yellow lines down the center of the roads to indicate that the road is a 2 way road. You Brits use white lines to separate lanes going in the same direction and to separate lanes going in opposite directions.
A question that I always need to ask is: Why need a warning that there's a speed camera? Why not drive the right speed in the first place? The speed limits are there for a reason and Tesla cars are already capable of respecting the speed limit.
Come on now there’s plenty of reasons, an example being: you find yourself doing 35 in a 30 where the road signs are covered by overgrown hedges and you don’t know the road. Obviously doing the speed limit is the right thing but nobody is perfect, the example I gave above happened to me and I had to do the speed awareness course down in Southampton… it was such a waste of time & money all because the council didn’t cut hedges well enough & I was driving a R8 without camera warnings but if I had this I would have been alerted. 👍🏽
@@TeslaDriverThanks for explaining, that's a really good example!
How utterly, utterly pointless. You had to make so many interventions, pay so much attention and spend so much time second-guessing the software that you might just as well have driven the car yourself and had the pleasure of doing so. No way in hell will I ever get a self-driving car.
Saying ‘never’ get a self driving car is assuming the tech won’t advance, it will at some point in the next 10,20 years be better at driving than most humans. At that point I’d rather get in a robot car than some of the horrifying taxi drivers car I’ve been in before 😬 but yeh you have to pay so much attention and second guess it, I’m glad that came across in the video as I’m always babysitting it
@@TeslaDriver It doesn't matter how much the tech advances: I drive (and ride motorbikes) because I _enjoy_ it, and get a sense of achievement and capability from acquiring and practicing a skill and mastering a complex bit of technology. I don't care if a robot driver is 101% perfect: I still won't get any more enjoyment out of it than I would sitting on the back seat of the bus.
This is what advocates of self-driving cars almost totally ignore: for thousands and thousands of driver and riders, it's about MORE than getting from A to B as safely as possible. Our attachment to it as much visceral, emotional and philosophical as it is practical. It's the same thing that drives airliner pilots to go and fly gliders and 1920s biplanes on their weekends off. If you force us all into self-driving cars and objectively save some of our lives, we'll _still_ feel diminished as capable human beings who've been painfully robbed of something that matters to us.