Man, I remember running away from home and bringing some candy, binoculars, a toothbrush with no toothpaste a blanket and a pair of underwear lol. All stuffed into school book bag. I don’t think kids runaway anymore. It was like a Right of passage when I was a kid. I mean, I was in the woods across the street for 48 hrs and my mom tells me she knew where I was the entire time (perhaps there’s where the extra food that was left for me in the morning came from lol) but I was finally starting to feel like I was growing up. That little comment brought back an amazing memory I hadn’t thought of in several decades.
Awesome video man. It sure was a pleasure meeting you today. You made my day lol and I did see that bee flying around. I’m waiting on my LoneRider bags to come in. I was looking at Mosko bags to but the extra cost for mounting bracket did it for me. I think both are great options.
Nice video Dave. I'm really looking forward to the side by side ride comparison. When you told me of the concept I thought it was a great idea. It will be very telling as the strengths and weaknesses will be seen on the spot.
Been running the complete Mosko set up for about a year on my Tiger 1200 no worries yet. They are a little more off road focused and lack a little convenience at times but damn they are tough! I just take the bags off and take em inside if I hotel it. When on day trips I run a cap screw through the locking release latch with a nylon lock nut. So no one can just pull them off. Keeps an honest man honest. Interested to see the total comparison. Also, customer service at Mosko is awesome. Great bunch of folks. Great channel found it when I was looking for a new tent last month!
I second that the Mosko folks are a great. They had a little get together at their headquarters in White Salmon, WA this summer called the Dusty Lizard and I found them all to be very genuine and kind. All of them ride and live what they sell.
Thank you, I ordered a 23 890 advr so really doing my homework as all I know are dirt bikes. Five months watching every video I can. I think I’m gonna start out with the reckless 80 system as I want gear as close to bike and low profile as possible as I’m gonna punish this new bike on technical single track. I’m very impressed how Mosko not only manufacturs but they all ride as well. If more room is needed on more of a pavement/fire road ride I’ll have to figure out if I need bigger panniers. I really do hate when stuff sticks out on both sides. Cross that bridge when I come to it. Thanks again
Bought the lone rider set, and had to return them. Advertised as direct clip on for the gsa, end up removing all of the screws on each side to adjust 2 pieces of plastics. 😅😅 not too happy about that. Got the mosko set, installed without any trouble. And I think the mosko moto set is better quality.
I also feel the quality of the Mosko bags are better, but I like the inner bag of the lone rider bags, the inner bag of the Mosko bags is not good....Dave
Yard sale on the side of the highway, good one! Great video, I've been debating which of the two companies to go with for my Super Tenere. I like the lone rider motobags a little better than the mosko mottos so far. Ride safe Dave!
Great video review comparison. I have the Mosko's with 2 aux pox's on each bag totaling 40 liters each bag. My buddy has the Lone Rider. Both are great bags. I just think the Mosko's are more durable and a bit better engineered with the beavertails, hydration capability etc.. The inner bag doesn't bother me one bit, I only remove it for cleaning. I always take the entire bags into the hotel, aux pox's attached, everything carries and goes in one shot. It's so much easier than pulling the inner bags, then the aux pox's waterproof bags separate (for me it makes it more complicated). Plus I don't have to worry about overnight theft of the bags from the bike or reattaching cable locks. I guess If you purpose the inner bag for other reasons the LRs may be a better option, but for me, the Mosko's meet all my needs.
I cannot disagree with anything you said. I bought my second set of these bags and I used them during the 2023 IBR. Just grabbing them you can feel the build quality, the aux pockets are bolted on and that feels secure, BUT. I tried to use them as designed and took the entire bag into my hotel, and that was it. Sold them after my 11 day trip, I just want a removable dry bag with a handle. Since Ive sold off all soft bags Ive been using my hard bags, but with the release of the new Lone Rider top box I may be going back to them....Dave
I’ve got the Mosko son my Africa Twin. They are great, very very tough, a bit slimmer, the beaver tail is actually really useful. The quick release system is easily lockable or easily taken into a motel or hotel. Don’t bother taking the inner bag out, just take the whole thing.
So that is my plan, I have a Rally in April, it will be my first real test, I plan to have one bag with bike stuff, that will stay on the bike, the other will come off and go into the motel with me. I have to be able to get everything in one trip, my goal....Dave
I'm interested in seeing how the 30 and 48 liter overlander bags fit on top of the lone rider pannier and regular aluminum panniers. Thanks for the information!
In my honest opinion, the 48L bag is too big for the top of any pannier, but I have used the 30L on top of the Lone Rider panniers many times. The only thing is they use that G hook on the front so securing them on the Lone rider bags is easy enough, but onto of the OEM panniers requires you to make a G hook strap, and connect the opposite end too the Pannier. On the normal Lone Rider strap has a buckle, does that make sense? Dave
Great comparison, thanks! I am in the market and leaning toward the Backcountry 35/25. I totally agree with you that the Backcountry dry bag inside should have a handle or shoulder strap at least! Their Stinger 22L Tailbag has a handle AND backpack shoulder straps! The Backcountry dry bag inside should too!!! @moskomoto
I have a set of each. I had the LoneRider bags on my BMW GS Adventure but then went on an extended trip and the Lonerider bags were just to big on the Vstrom 650 I bought to ride from Ushuaia to northern Canada so I bought the Mosko's. In the end I like those better. At the hotel I just lift the whole bag of the bike and take it inside. The bags can really take a beating and even when I was rear ended and the bag got damaged, Mosko has this service of a free repair or a new bag at half price (just the bag). Also if you leave the bags on the bike, the little pouches stay on there or you also have to take those of too every time. My Lonerider bags were replaced once (under warranty) in the beginning as the corners, you were also concerned about, came apart and started leaking. The second set doesn't leak yet (after 4 years of use). In the end, next time I would again choose the MoskoMoto's as they're less wide and I like the sturdiness and versatility. I bought the locks but hardly ever use them (even so I also never lock the LoneRider bags as I take the inner bags inside and there's nothing in there when the bike is left alone) Thanks for your comparison and nice video.
Thanks for your report...I just used the MOSKO bags on my 11 day IBR ride and sold them upon return, Im sticking with hard bags. I agree that the quality of them is great, and I love the pockets, but going into a hotel was terrible. I once took the entire pannier, that just seemed awkward, the next trip I tried using just the inner liner bag, with no handle, it just didn't work for me. I had the Lone Rider bags and had an issue with them fading, and one started leaking, the other concern was the strength of their pockets, the straps are just too small. For me, rally riding and touring its hard bags for the win...Dave
It’s a tough choice between the two. I wanted to support Mosko because they’re local to where I live, but ultimately went with Lone Rider for the extra capacity (which means I end up taking more stuff then I need!). One thing to keep in mind is that the Mosko bag itself is 30 liters, and then you add one pocket to get 35 liters. Whereas, the Lone Rider bag is 38 without any pockets. I’m looking forward to seeing your further comparisons.
Honestly that is why I went with Lone rider the first go around, volume, so where do I find that info on the bag only being 30L? Ive heard that before and hate to put out bad info.....Dave
Thanks for the video. I’m deciding between these two bags myself. Maybe Giant Loop as well. One thing I’ve noticed - the LR bags appear to be significantly heavier than the MM. Did you notice any weight difference? The MM seem a little easier to set up initially. I don’t have a new GS, so I’d have to adjust the LR quick release plate to use it. Thanks again.
Last year while comparing hard bags to soft I honestly felt there wasn't much of a difference in weight and certainly didn't feel anything once on the bike. A friend has Giant Loop stuff, similar in design to the MOSKO bags. Thanks for watching..Dave
Been using the BMW branded Atacama kit for the past 5 years, which I'm told is actually Mosko, it's bombproof, light, super easy on & off, actually waterproof, my only complaint is that they're slightly too small for my use (camera gear in Hazard 4 padded semi-rigid sling bag). Apart from that, top notch gear.
I liked the Mosko Bags, great quality, but using them for sport touring and going into Hotels they didn't work. Seemed like I was taking so much extra into the hotel....Dave
Great comparison! I have the Moskos, but was really eyeing the LRs. A couple of observations: - the Moskos are so easy to take off, I'm talking 5secs, that you'll never bother taking the inner bags out - the 4L Mosko aux pox are nice for stuff you want to quickly jam in there - at 30L they are smaller than LR or aluminum cans; my thinking is I need to carry less shit for off road - my Fiskars hatchet fits great in the loop under the beaver tail - the Survivewear waterproof first aid kit fits nicely on the molle straps in place of the aux pox
I have the Altrider Hemisphere bags because they seemed to have some great features. Turns out it is like they took the worst of both those bags and combined them. Plus the quality was horrible, stitching coming apart, etc. I am leaning towards the Mosko ones but just not sure as I would like more storage room.
There are lots of good choices. My preferred setup is not either of these. I like the Green Chile soft rack, bag snakes and dry bags in the size I need for the given trip. This setup is way cheaper, almost infinitely adjustable in size, and weighs almost nothing.
I have the LoneRider and don't use the drybag because it is a pain to put in the bag once it's packed. My brother has the Mosko system, and I found it was to fiddly with all the straps, but having said that, they are both great systems depending on your preferences. BTW, have you tried Amour All or anything like that to bring back the color?
The Lone Rider is way more secure to leave on your bike. I'm talking about the new locking quick release of the Lone Rider. The locking mechanism on the Lone Rider in terms of how it secures to the bike is massively superior to the Mosko Moto bags. I wouldn't leave the Mosko Moto bags on my bike, even with the cable lock, which can easily be cut within seconds. I like the Mosko Moto bags otherwise.
I could easily say you are correct and leave it at that, but I will add, the LR Bags have a better inner bag system as well. However on long term usage they became very dull and looked dirty, and the lock on top makes it harder to secure a bag on top....Still the better bags in all...Dave
100% agree on the LR, they looked aged and dingy, could keep them clean. After a lengthy road only trip with the MM bags, I am going back to my hard bags. Most of my riding is road stuff and the inner bag on the MM doesn't work for me, good quality but the inner bag stinks...Dave
I just need space. I’m travelling with some camera equipment and on my way to an adventure course. I just need to make a good choice. How are these mounted to the bike? That’s a mystery to me.
So with you saying you need space, I immediately think you need the Lone Rider bags, you can opt them with 2 38L bags and you have space, that was the option I chose. As far as mounting them, I had the quick release option and it clips, so to speak, onto the OEM pannier rack. Quick and simple. If you chose the MOSKO MOTO route, they have an adapter, my descriptive word that bolts to the OEM pannier rack and that allows the pannier to mount to them, again easy process. Dave
I'll leave you with this. Can you live with the volume size of Mosko Moto? The build quality of these bags, feels better, but ive had no failures of the Lone rider. The bolt on pockets make me feel way better than the small molle webbing straps of the Lone Rider, again no failures tho. Ive only had the Mosko Moto a few months and don't have enough time to say what is a real issue, but asking today, id buy the Mosko bags. Dave
If I had access to try them I would, maybe those are the next ones I buy....FYI I buy everything full price, nothing I have reviewed was given to me...Dave
I do get that, I like to take the insert bag and leave the shell open...Thinking if they see the bag is empty they leave it alone? And in the essence of speed it has been my experience that removing the liner was faster than the whole bag...Dave
I have had 2-3 people complain, there is nothing I can do about it. TH-cam has several tiers, I am a bottom feeder and my videos get compressed more than someone with 10000 subscribers, sorry...Dave
@@KendallAdventureandTravel I have less than 500 subscribers and I can still film and upload in 4K. Maybe it is just your camera or upload settings? Oh well.
Man, I remember running away from home and bringing some candy, binoculars, a toothbrush with no toothpaste a blanket and a pair of underwear lol. All stuffed into school book bag. I don’t think kids runaway anymore. It was like a Right of passage when I was a kid. I mean, I was in the woods across the street for 48 hrs and my mom tells me she knew where I was the entire time (perhaps there’s where the extra food that was left for me in the morning came from lol) but I was finally starting to feel like I was growing up. That little comment brought back an amazing memory I hadn’t thought of in several decades.
I am glad it brought back good memories...Dave
Awesome video man. It sure was a pleasure meeting you today. You made my day lol and I did see that bee flying around. I’m waiting on my LoneRider bags to come in. I was looking at Mosko bags to but the extra cost for mounting bracket did it for me. I think both are great options.
The pleasure was all mine, hope to run into you again someday, maybe we can take a ride....Dave
Nice video Dave. I'm really looking forward to the side by side ride comparison. When you told me of the concept I thought it was a great idea. It will be very telling as the strengths and weaknesses will be seen on the spot.
Thanks Mike...
Been running the complete Mosko set up for about a year on my Tiger 1200 no worries yet. They are a little more off road focused and lack a little convenience at times but damn they are tough! I just take the bags off and take em inside if I hotel it. When on day trips I run a cap screw through the locking release latch with a nylon lock nut. So no one can just pull them off. Keeps an honest man honest. Interested to see the total comparison. Also, customer service at Mosko is awesome. Great bunch of folks.
Great channel found it when I was looking for a new tent last month!
Thank you and I appreciate the tip of the bolt through the locking pin.....Dave
I second that the Mosko folks are a great. They had a little get together at their headquarters in White Salmon, WA this summer called the Dusty Lizard and I found them all to be very genuine and kind. All of them ride and live what they sell.
Thank you, I ordered a 23 890 advr so really doing my homework as all I know are dirt bikes. Five months watching every video I can.
I think I’m gonna start out with the reckless 80 system as I want gear as close to bike and low profile as possible as I’m gonna punish this new bike on technical single track. I’m very impressed how Mosko not only manufacturs but they all ride as well.
If more room is needed on more of a pavement/fire road ride I’ll have to figure out if I need bigger panniers. I really do hate when stuff sticks out on both sides. Cross that bridge when I come to it.
Thanks again
I have a buddy that uses the reckless 80 on his KTM 500, works great...Thanks for watching...Dave
Dave, good info and in my case timely.
Liked and subbed.
Thanks for watching...Dave
Outstanding review I was leaning Mosko but will go with the Lone Rider now thanks.
You will not be disappointed...Thanks for watching...Dave
Bought the lone rider set, and had to return them. Advertised as direct clip on for the gsa, end up removing all of the screws on each side to adjust 2 pieces of plastics. 😅😅 not too happy about that. Got the mosko set, installed without any trouble. And I think the mosko moto set is better quality.
I also feel the quality of the Mosko bags are better, but I like the inner bag of the lone rider bags, the inner bag of the Mosko bags is not good....Dave
@@KendallAdventureandTravelI have the mosko moto bags so if that is the one downside I’m happy I got them! They come off the bike so easily!
Yard sale on the side of the highway, good one! Great video, I've been debating which of the two companies to go with for my Super Tenere. I like the lone rider motobags a little better than the mosko mottos so far. Ride safe Dave!
Thanks for watching and I appreciate the feedback...Dave
Great video review comparison. I have the Mosko's with 2 aux pox's on each bag totaling 40 liters each bag. My buddy has the Lone Rider. Both are great bags. I just think the Mosko's are more durable and a bit better engineered with the beavertails, hydration capability etc.. The inner bag doesn't bother me one bit, I only remove it for cleaning. I always take the entire bags into the hotel, aux pox's attached, everything carries and goes in one shot. It's so much easier than pulling the inner bags, then the aux pox's waterproof bags separate (for me it makes it more complicated). Plus I don't have to worry about overnight theft of the bags from the bike or reattaching cable locks. I guess If you purpose the inner bag for other reasons the LRs may be a better option, but for me, the Mosko's meet all my needs.
I cannot disagree with anything you said. I bought my second set of these bags and I used them during the 2023 IBR. Just grabbing them you can feel the build quality, the aux pockets are bolted on and that feels secure, BUT. I tried to use them as designed and took the entire bag into my hotel, and that was it. Sold them after my 11 day trip, I just want a removable dry bag with a handle. Since Ive sold off all soft bags Ive been using my hard bags, but with the release of the new Lone Rider top box I may be going back to them....Dave
I’ve got the Mosko son my Africa Twin. They are great, very very tough, a bit slimmer, the beaver tail is actually really useful. The quick release system is easily lockable or easily taken into a motel or hotel. Don’t bother taking the inner bag out, just take the whole thing.
So that is my plan, I have a Rally in April, it will be my first real test, I plan to have one bag with bike stuff, that will stay on the bike, the other will come off and go into the motel with me. I have to be able to get everything in one trip, my goal....Dave
I'm interested in seeing how the 30 and 48 liter overlander bags fit on top of the lone rider pannier and regular aluminum panniers. Thanks for the information!
In my honest opinion, the 48L bag is too big for the top of any pannier, but I have used the 30L on top of the Lone Rider panniers many times. The only thing is they use that G hook on the front so securing them on the Lone rider bags is easy enough, but onto of the OEM panniers requires you to make a G hook strap, and connect the opposite end too the Pannier. On the normal Lone Rider strap has a buckle, does that make sense? Dave
Great comparison, thanks! I am in the market and leaning toward the Backcountry 35/25. I totally agree with you that the Backcountry dry bag inside should have a handle or shoulder strap at least! Their Stinger 22L Tailbag has a handle AND backpack shoulder straps! The Backcountry dry bag inside should too!!! @moskomoto
I have the stinger bad as well...I bought the 30L duffle and that is a great bag...Dave
I have a set of each. I had the LoneRider bags on my BMW GS Adventure but then went on an extended trip and the Lonerider bags were just to big on the Vstrom 650 I bought to ride from Ushuaia to northern Canada so I bought the Mosko's. In the end I like those better. At the hotel I just lift the whole bag of the bike and take it inside. The bags can really take a beating and even when I was rear ended and the bag got damaged, Mosko has this service of a free repair or a new bag at half price (just the bag). Also if you leave the bags on the bike, the little pouches stay on there or you also have to take those of too every time. My Lonerider bags were replaced once (under warranty) in the beginning as the corners, you were also concerned about, came apart and started leaking. The second set doesn't leak yet (after 4 years of use). In the end, next time I would again choose the MoskoMoto's as they're less wide and I like the sturdiness and versatility. I bought the locks but hardly ever use them (even so I also never lock the LoneRider bags as I take the inner bags inside and there's nothing in there when the bike is left alone) Thanks for your comparison and nice video.
Thanks for your report...I just used the MOSKO bags on my 11 day IBR ride and sold them upon return, Im sticking with hard bags. I agree that the quality of them is great, and I love the pockets, but going into a hotel was terrible. I once took the entire pannier, that just seemed awkward, the next trip I tried using just the inner liner bag, with no handle, it just didn't work for me. I had the Lone Rider bags and had an issue with them fading, and one started leaking, the other concern was the strength of their pockets, the straps are just too small. For me, rally riding and touring its hard bags for the win...Dave
It’s a tough choice between the two. I wanted to support Mosko because they’re local to where I live, but ultimately went with Lone Rider for the extra capacity (which means I end up taking more stuff then I need!). One thing to keep in mind is that the Mosko bag itself is 30 liters, and then you add one pocket to get 35 liters. Whereas, the Lone Rider bag is 38 without any pockets. I’m looking forward to seeing your further comparisons.
Honestly that is why I went with Lone rider the first go around, volume, so where do I find that info on the bag only being 30L? Ive heard that before and hate to put out bad info.....Dave
I see the 30L descriptive...Thanks I'll clean that up next video...Dave
Thanks for the video. I’m deciding between these two bags myself. Maybe Giant Loop as well. One thing I’ve noticed - the LR bags appear to be significantly heavier than the MM. Did you notice any weight difference? The MM seem a little easier to set up initially. I don’t have a new GS, so I’d have to adjust the LR quick release plate to use it. Thanks again.
Last year while comparing hard bags to soft I honestly felt there wasn't much of a difference in weight and certainly didn't feel anything once on the bike. A friend has Giant Loop stuff, similar in design to the MOSKO bags. Thanks for watching..Dave
Been using the BMW branded Atacama kit for the past 5 years, which I'm told is actually Mosko, it's bombproof, light, super easy on & off, actually waterproof, my only complaint is that they're slightly too small for my use (camera gear in Hazard 4 padded semi-rigid sling bag).
Apart from that, top notch gear.
I liked the Mosko Bags, great quality, but using them for sport touring and going into Hotels they didn't work. Seemed like I was taking so much extra into the hotel....Dave
Great comparison!
I have the Moskos, but was really eyeing the LRs. A couple of observations:
- the Moskos are so easy to take off, I'm talking 5secs, that you'll never bother taking the inner bags out
- the 4L Mosko aux pox are nice for stuff you want to quickly jam in there
- at 30L they are smaller than LR or aluminum cans; my thinking is I need to carry less shit for off road
- my Fiskars hatchet fits great in the loop under the beaver tail
- the Survivewear waterproof first aid kit fits nicely on the molle straps in place of the aux pox
Thank you for the info, and for watching. Im looking for that hatchet now...Dave
I have the Altrider Hemisphere bags because they seemed to have some great features. Turns out it is like they took the worst of both those bags and combined them. Plus the quality was horrible, stitching coming apart, etc. I am leaning towards the Mosko ones but just not sure as I would like more storage room.
Both the Lone Rider and Mosko Moto bags are top quality, if there is a concern for capacity, go with Lone Rider...Dave
There are lots of good choices. My preferred setup is not either of these. I like the Green Chile soft rack, bag snakes and dry bags in the size I need for the given trip.
This setup is way cheaper, almost infinitely adjustable in size, and weighs almost nothing.
I will need to look at those, thanks for the heads up...Dave
I have the LoneRider and don't use the drybag because it is a pain to put in the bag once it's packed. My brother has the Mosko system, and I found it was to fiddly with all the straps, but having said that, they are both great systems depending on your preferences. BTW, have you tried Amour All or anything like that to bring back the color?
I may look at armor all, something as they look all dingy...Dave
I use silicon spray on bags to help keep them water proof and looking goodl.
@@KendallAdventureandTravel
The Lone Rider is way more secure to leave on your bike. I'm talking about the new locking quick release of the Lone Rider. The locking mechanism on the Lone Rider in terms of how it secures to the bike is massively superior to the Mosko Moto bags. I wouldn't leave the Mosko Moto bags on my bike, even with the cable lock, which can easily be cut within seconds. I like the Mosko Moto bags otherwise.
I could easily say you are correct and leave it at that, but I will add, the LR Bags have a better inner bag system as well. However on long term usage they became very dull and looked dirty, and the lock on top makes it harder to secure a bag on top....Still the better bags in all...Dave
A mossberg shockwave will fit in that hatchet area on the mosko moto :}
Now that is some good information to know, thank you..Dave
Kriega OS 38/32 with back plates do the trick for me, best quality bags in the market for me. I had LR in the past and they do not age well.
100% agree on the LR, they looked aged and dingy, could keep them clean. After a lengthy road only trip with the MM bags, I am going back to my hard bags. Most of my riding is road stuff and the inner bag on the MM doesn't work for me, good quality but the inner bag stinks...Dave
I just need space. I’m travelling with some camera equipment and on my way to an adventure course. I just need to make a good choice. How are these mounted to the bike? That’s a mystery to me.
So with you saying you need space, I immediately think you need the Lone Rider bags, you can opt them with 2 38L bags and you have space, that was the option I chose. As far as mounting them, I had the quick release option and it clips, so to speak, onto the OEM pannier rack. Quick and simple. If you chose the MOSKO MOTO route, they have an adapter, my descriptive word that bolts to the OEM pannier rack and that allows the pannier to mount to them, again easy process. Dave
Dave, did you make up your mind? What bag do you prefer?
I'll leave you with this. Can you live with the volume size of Mosko Moto? The build quality of these bags, feels better, but ive had no failures of the Lone rider. The bolt on pockets make me feel way better than the small molle webbing straps of the Lone Rider, again no failures tho. Ive only had the Mosko Moto a few months and don't have enough time to say what is a real issue, but asking today, id buy the Mosko bags. Dave
@@KendallAdventureandTravel we travel two up, I think I would go for the Mosko and the new, to be developed, new lone rider top case
@@Storzvogel II am liking what I see on that top case as well....Dave
Sorry but whats about Kriega OS?🤔😉
If I had access to try them I would, maybe those are the next ones I buy....FYI I buy everything full price, nothing I have reviewed was given to me...Dave
I would rather take the whole bag inside a hotel then leave the shell out on the bike in the parking lot
I do get that, I like to take the insert bag and leave the shell open...Thinking if they see the bag is empty they leave it alone? And in the essence of speed it has been my experience that removing the liner was faster than the whole bag...Dave
What's with the film quality? I couldn't even get through 30 seconds of the video because of it.
I have had 2-3 people complain, there is nothing I can do about it. TH-cam has several tiers, I am a bottom feeder and my videos get compressed more than someone with 10000 subscribers, sorry...Dave
@@KendallAdventureandTravel I have less than 500 subscribers and I can still film and upload in 4K. Maybe it is just your camera or upload settings? Oh well.
@@functionalfitness1013 I am using a Mac, and Final Cut software, maybe its in the settings there, I can check...Dave
You know nothing!! or I do not know?