I'm maybe going to get blasted for this, but Eugene as an idea isn't necessarily problematic. The issue media has always has with this concept is that you can't have people who legitimately have those conditions portray them themselves. So what do you do? If you treat it with respect, and don't belittle them as humans for something they didn't choose, it can be amazingly compassionate. A wrestler prodigy who's mentally slow or whatever and is just so doing childlike callbacks to classic moves and moments? And wins? That's an AMAZING idea. But WWE couldn't help but turn into "haha funny retard" and it loses any sympathy from me. It could have been an incredible story that meant a lot to a lot of people that deserve that inclusion, but Vince McMahon gonna Vince, pal.
Hot Take: Bray Wyatt was never really great. He was just different and charismatic. My proof is that everyone, except LA Knight, came out worse than when they went in. And LA Knight only survived because he didn’t sell Wyatt.
It was ruined by the supernatural aspects. If he'd stayed as the endlessly charismatic vaguely threatening swamp preacher who'd either convert you or you'll disappear in the bayou it would've fared much better.
@@Taabituubi exactly NXT Bray Wyatt > Main Roster Bray Wyatt, but then again anyone from the 2014-2018 era of NXT was superior to what Vince turned them into on the main roster because Vince couldn't book for shit.
Hot Take: 2011 is the most underrated year in WWE. It had The Rock’s return, R Truth had a great heel turn, Summer of Punk, Rise of Daniel Bryan, Orton and Christian’s rivalry, Mark Henry’s Hall of Pain, Cody Rhodes brought back the classic IC Title, Christian Mark Henry and Daniel Bryan won their first world titles, Zack Ryder was showing anyone could get over on their own, and the in ring work started to drastically improving. It was the year it started to develop into the WWE we know today.
WWE in 2011 definitely had its moments, but there were also some pretty bad storylines in 2011 with the never ending Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler feud, one of the worst Wrestlemanias ever, the anonymous raw GM, and most of the summer of punk
I got into WWE in 2010, and honestly all these years later I still remember a lot about 2011. I Agee with your take for sure. People seem to remember the bad more than the good
Summer of Punk in 2011 sucked. Pipebomb was great, mitb build was great. Event was great. The whole summer after that absolutely fucking sucked as far as punk was concerned
If Jeff Hardy would’ve stayed clean, he would have surpassed John Cena in all time popularity, Hardy had an MTV show lined up around the time he left wwe in 2009 but everything fell through after the felony charges
Sadly that's not really a hot take. It's just simple facts. Even his push in the early 2000s shows it. He had the potential to be one of THE guys multiple times and his own flaws and mistakes cost him time and time again. Jeff will always and forever be my favorite wrestler, but I cannot deny that he is his own worst enemy and to watch him grasp so much just to stumble breaks my heart.
Hot take: I liked the Spirit Squad. They did their job well as annoying heels, and innovated with gang-up special moves and unorthodox cheating using their trampoline.
I remember as a kid Eugene being over as hell! He always got massive (and positive) reactions. Perhaps I’m misremembering but it felt a lot of people were laughing with the character and rooting for him, rather than laughing at him and cheering ironically. Eugene’s character was definitely in poor taste but some of that is our own failure to divorce our contemporary sensibilities with the time period of when Eugene’s character was prominent.
I look back on Eugene incredibly fondly. I'm sure WWE did not handle him sensitively because their track record is abysmal, but I remember him being fun and incredibly easy to cheer for. Plus his music was an absolute banger so as a kid that made me fucking love him right off the bat. Played as him all the time in the games he was in.
I think it's less the character is in poor taste. I remember seeing that the wrestler, Dinsmore, had a coach whose kid was autistic; and so from his perspective he was truly trying to give kids like him someone to look up to, to give representation to, and Dinsmore took it very seriously. The issue is Vince/writers, they used it as a gag, they put it in poor taste; he becomes Bischoffs nephew as a way to make fun of Eric.
Hot Take: Solo Sikoa's inspiration and tributes to Umaga hurt his character more than help it most of the time. I want to see him do his own unique things and contribute to the Bloodline more than just look menacingly at something in the background. He simply doesn’t have the size, the look or explosiveness in the ring (in my opinion) to make what he's portraying in the ring feel believable. I do enjoy his BWAHs though. They always get me chuckling.
I think it's been long enough for a generation of fans to not even know who Umaga was. He was rarely ever mentioned on WWE or even in WWE games for a while after his death.
@@billybeeeeeeeeee I agree with you, he's shorter than his brothers and lacks a physique I would find menacing, he's got the character down pat, but the look doesn't do it for me, what makes him stand out is when someone pushes him into light comedy territory, like when sami breaks him with laughter or he argues with a little kid about being called a chicken, that stuff is great and I find him compelling, but just him being a brute doesn't do it for me.
@@magesideI think he could pull off a Samoa Joe type gimmick well. Similar body type and stature. He just needs to get good at talking and get more agile
Hot take: The idea that matches should be between a face and a heel because otherwise people wouldnt know who to cheer for needs to die. Audiences are not stupid and will cheer for whoever they want.
Hot Take: The worst moments of the PG Era are no where near as bad as the worst moments of the Attitude Era, New Generation Era, and Ruthless Aggression Era
Ehhh I dont know dude...those celebrity GMs were fucking rank and as terrible as alot of those eras moments were at least it got people on TV where PG era made your main event guys look like shit and half your roster was sitting home not being used
Here’s a hot take: There really isn’t an “advantage” in WarGames. Sure, you could have the numbers advantage at the start, but you could also save your biggest or freshest member for the end to come in last and clean house.
My hot take: Vince Russo did a good job in TNA, before Hogan and Bischoff ruined it. After Jarrett got sent home and Russo started running the show we got: The Main Event Mafia storyline which was fun. A bunch of young talent getting elevated AJ established as the top guy
TNA's first big money fued (in the sense that people actually paid to show up and they had to send people away at the fair grounds) was Raven V Jarret in 2003, and that whole thing was a Russo production. I mean there was stuff that absolutely awful, but for the most part he did fairly okay.
I'm not so sure because Darby is popular like Spike became. Spike was over because of it, Stunt not so much, but the 3 do share common ground for sure.
@@billybeeeeeeeeee in a way I kind of saw part of myself in him. The way people used him to get what they wanted. The being picked on for not being the same mental age as your other coworkers or in my case schoolmates
@@jwn411 fuck, dude that sucks. so then what did seeing that represented on tv do for you? did it make watching it more real? or did you enjoy seeing Eugene get the better of the people trying to use him?
@@billybeeeeeeeeee I knew there was something off with the wrestling industry but still enjoyed the events as they transpired. And just like in Blazing Saddles, Robin Hood Men in Tights, Spaceballs watching ignorant and stupid people get their comeuppance is always funny
Hot Take: The infamous 'Shockmaster' moment was staged. People say he was supposed to be some intimidating guy when he debuted but the fall turned his character into a clumsy goof, but just look at him: A big guy in a furry vest and a glittered up stormtrooper helmet, with Ole Anderson doing his 'Black Scorpion' voice. There's no way in hell this was originally meant to be taken seriously.
Hot take: Finn Balor is a high level depth guy who will have feuds with top stars, but from here on out, will never be anything more than a transitional world champion if he wins one
Didn't Bret say that the "agreed" plan was he would win at Survivor Series, but then relinquish the belt at Raw the next night? Or am I having a Mandela Effect moment? Lol
He proposed that, but I don't believe it was ever agreed to. I know Jim Cornette told Vince "why don't you let him piss In your mouth while he does that" in regards to that idea. Would result in your entire company being buried imo. The talk was that he'd drop it to someone else later that month, but Shawn was the problem. WWE was never concerned that Bret would show up with the title on WCW, they'd already won a lawsuit after the Medusa thing, and Bret would never have done that. But nothing was stopping Bischoff from coming on TV that Monday live and saying that he had signed the current WWF champion and that he'd be here in however many weeks. Because as soon as midnight hit, he could say and do that with no recourse from WWF.
I don't care what anyone says. Bret would have never shown up in WCW with a WWF belt. He also would have done the company thing and dropped the belt to whoever. He just did not want to drop it in Canada which I could understand. This pissed McMahon off so he devised away to forcefully take title off him. It was henious what he did and I have never liked Vince since that day. They can say what they want but on that Day Vince screwed Bret. If I was Bret I would have never been able to forgive him for that moment as they ultimately tanished his career. Vince is a slimeball and has done more harm to WWE in the past 2 decades than good. Really hope this Endenvour deal ends up elbowing him out completely.
I always saw the Rainmaker finisher as more of a “For Good measure” manuever than anything else. In his big fights, it’s very often kicked out of as opposed to other finishers from NJPW’s roster. Often it’s the spinning tombstone followed by the Rainmaker that puts Okada’s opponents away.
Hot take: Logan Paul needs a new finisher. Literally has lost every boxing match he’s been in except for one draw and we’re supposed to believe that his right hand can actually win him any major matches
I dont actually hate the Eugene character and honestly he was super over. You go back and watch he was super over the crowd loved him. Nick Dinsmore said the Eugene character was his idea mainly cause he was sick of not being called up to the main roster so he met up with Vince and pitched the character and he approved it. I think the problem with Eugene other than the obvious is that he was a little bit overexposed on the show like on average he had 2 segments most weeks and it could fluctuate from 2-4 a week and perhaps that was the crowd turning on him plus his injury in 2005 didnt help. Ive recently been watching RAW where Eugene turned heel and honestly it could be in poor taste but i dont think it was bad just didnt seem to mean much turning on Jim Duggan. Eugene wasnt the best character but definitely not the worst
I can kind of agree with the "I just want good matches" take. I'm way too busy to keep up with weekly shows so I just go with matches most people really seem to enjoy and just kick back and enjoy good wrasslin
Regarding the screw job, it could go the other way. As in they decided to do it on a night with a mass amount of cameras around in case Bret got out of hand with his reaction and somebody got seriously hurt. The cameras, and fear of being filmed commiting a murder, may have been the reason Vince only received one punch.
Super hot take: Kerwin White done today would be great, especially if you take into account current day things like Hispanics for Trump, etc. I think it would be a gold mine for hilarious heel work
Not sure if it's a hot take or not but: Adam Pearce is one of the best Authority figures in the past few decades. Also he should've had his match with Roman at the Rumble
There is no single punch related finisher that is good. If the big shows M.W.D, Roman’s superman punch or Logan Paul’s titanium fist is so powerful, why don’t the lead with this finisher (especially when these guys punch people in the gut instead of the head)
Honestly Steve's Stone Cold is pretty much how heel Stone Cold talked. If you go back and watch some of his Manic in ring promos it's damn near 1 to 1.
Hot Take: I have and never will get the hype around Liv Morgan. She’s not charismatic or a good promo, and she’s not that good from an in ring standpoint either. Say what you will about Rousey’s cringe promos, but I can name you multiple good singles matches she’s had. Can’t name you one Liv Match.
Pretty sure Jim Cornette mentioned in one of the times he was asked about Montreal that the plan was for Bret to show up on Raw the next night and hand the belt off to Vince
Hot Take: Wrestling as a whole relies too hard on audience knowing and understanding Wrestling tropes. For instance, I had to try to explain why grabbing the rope magically makes pins 10x harder, bcause its not clear by the in ring action nor does commentary explain it. There are dozens more examples of this.
Hot take, i dont understand the hype behind minoru sazuki, he may have a legit background but all he does is smack wrestlers chest and do a pile driver, at a painfully slow speed.
Hot take: Vince is right about not doing cross overs with other wrestling companies. I like AEW until all the "who the hell is this guy" people show up every year around Forbidden Door
It shows that WWE isn't a wrestling company and hasn't been for at least the past 15 years. Their shows while entertaining at times, isn't for wrestling fans.
@@ripman21 as much as I still do like WWE, I gotta agree with you. WWE isn't for the wrestling fans. It's for sponsors. Last PPV it felt like they were whoring themselves out with how much they kept promoting Bud Light. Then they'll say they're making the show for kids, so like who was the bud light ad for? Because they definitely pushed Bud Light more than LA Knight and that's who we all wanna see.
Hot take : Arn Anderson is a way better worker than flair, flair had the same match over and over but his promos were so entertaining everyone over looked how same same his in ring work was. Arn was so good in the ring and his heel work was amazing. And to this day man, no spine buster comes close.
I guess my hot take is that I already fell out of love with CM Punk when he came back to work for the WWE for that talk show thing. Not only did he go back to work for the very people that ruined his life just to make some money, his whole AEW run has really made him come across as a massive hypocrite by showing up and immediately getting a main event and championship run before guys that had been there longer than him. Kinda like what he complained about all the way back in 2011
Hot take(?): ref bumps that result in heels cheating to win should be banned from now on. It's a lazy and boring plot device that all wrestling promotions use too much. It's the one thing in pro wrestling I can't suspend my disbelief over, since thousands of people and dozens of cameras witness the cheating.
WHAAAT Steves Stone Cold is over the top!?!??!?!? Noooo way! ... It´s aweseomly unrealistic, you can hear where the impression is rooted, but he poots his own Stunner of Stamp on it! Luv you guys, keeep it up! Steve .... & Larson!
Hot take: Y'all only consider the shield the greatest because of the main two years. But truth be told, the shield was only good when they started feuding with the Wyatt family. Everything going forward was great. Like realistically we are not talking about matches or what they did individually. Name something outside the entrance and matches that made them great. I'll wait.
Hot Take : THE STREAK ENDED AT THE RIGHT TIME. look at Undertaker matches after the streak ended, not one you can call 'good'. Vince knew Taker was finished before Taker did
So with Booker vs HHH I do agree, but honestly I blame Goldberg coming in the next night and Vince wanting a heel champion for him to chase as to why Booker lost instead of any sort of HHH backstage politics
I think the rainmaker's believably is almost entirely from NJPW's fantastic camera work. It doesn't feel nearly as impactful anywhere besides New Japan.
My Hot Take: On average, the Ruthless Aggression era has aged better than the Attitude Era has. And WWE has never been better than it was during the 2002-2004 run of Smackdown
he did turn heel but he never said his disability was fake. He said he was ''special'' and the audience were laughing at him. He got angry and had meltdowns attacking people for things not going his way
Nobody really cares that Roman Reigns has been champion for 1000+ days, nor will they care when Gunther breaks the IC title record. Numbers don't mean a thing, people will only remember the matches and feuds.
It will make it seem like a bigger deal when they're actually beaten. No one cares now because they're currently in it. When you look back on history it will matter, and it will matter for the guy who eventually beats them.
AEW should sign David Benoit and If he comes out with the name “Chris Benoit Jr” then Tony Kahn will be the bravest man in wrestling. Yeah, it could be in poor taste but David himself said he’d be fine with using that name and it’s been 16 years!
I don't hate the Eugene character either. But only because Nick Dinsmore was so all in on it. It was a horrible idea and gimmick but I thought he pulled it off better than just about anybody else could. He actually came off as endearing to me.
@@Venemofthe888 huh? That I didn't know. I always felt bad for the guy doing such a great job with a terribly conceived gimmick. Regardless I'll stand by the fact he executed it really well regardless what you think of the concept.
@@danielpatterson5189 yh according to him he created the gimmick because he was sick of being overlooked and not called up to the main roster so he met with Vince in a meeting to pitch the idea and the rest is history
Honestly and I say this as a fan of 2001... I feel Wrestlemania X7 isn't as good as many romanticize it as. Yes it was the climax of an era beloved by many but Austin's heel turn soured an otherwise solid show.
I will always argue that Triple H was way more reasonable with his power than 99% of the other wrestlers who have had the same sway (or who wish they did)
1. The Nexus absolutely deserved to lose at Summerslam. There wasn't enough talent to keep the Nexus strong. Barrett at best was only ever gonna be a mid-carder. 2. X-Pac or Chyna should've won KOTR '99. 3. Edge's Rumble return may be ICONIC (the expressions on his face as he soaks in the crowd then he bosses up and goes into his entrance pose/pyro was IMMACULATE) but his matches since don't offer much, plus they wasted a rumble win on him, too. He should've have the rumble return then immediately went to managing someone/some team. Or even just be an agent and help this generation develop promo abilities and storylines. 4. Bret is the only guy who would absolutely be a part of the screwjob and continue to sell it forever. I legit think he had a part in it because he knew WCW wouldn't know what to do with him. lol.
I don’t mind the trons they have these days and I think they’re overhated. Whenever that is brought up, it’s always “Raquel and Sonya’s are terrible so therefore their all terrible.” Those ARE terrible but there’s people who have good ones
As of June Nick Densmore was still wrestling using the Eugene character. I saw him at our county fair/carnival in full on Eugene gear and still acting like someone with “learning disabilities” He had a fairly hot wife or girlfriend as a valet though and wrestled in the main event against Robert Gibson. Sad really .
@@kinnikuboneman yes that may be true and it mad me sad when I found out I still am ok with it because in the 2000s there was not that many people with special needs in movies in wrestling or even on tv I look at it like this eugene walked so others could run
The rainmaker take is so wrong. The best finishers are the ones that can be pulled off on anybody at any moment of a match. This is why it works so well like a cutter/RKO and a stunner. No need for a setup, just hit it an pin them
When I saw the take about Darby Allin being called a “goth Spike Dudley” I was howling with laughter
Where's the lie 😂😂
Where’s the lie 😂😂😂
That one got me too 🤣
Holy shit that's perfect.
I'm maybe going to get blasted for this, but Eugene as an idea isn't necessarily problematic.
The issue media has always has with this concept is that you can't have people who legitimately have those conditions portray them themselves. So what do you do?
If you treat it with respect, and don't belittle them as humans for something they didn't choose, it can be amazingly compassionate. A wrestler prodigy who's mentally slow or whatever and is just so doing childlike callbacks to classic moves and moments? And wins? That's an AMAZING idea.
But WWE couldn't help but turn into "haha funny retard" and it loses any sympathy from me. It could have been an incredible story that meant a lot to a lot of people that deserve that inclusion, but Vince McMahon gonna Vince, pal.
That DiBiase take is outstanding and I'm hard pressed to come up with an argument against it
Hot Take: Bray Wyatt was never really great. He was just different and charismatic. My proof is that everyone, except LA Knight, came out worse than when they went in. And LA Knight only survived because he didn’t sell Wyatt.
It was ruined by the supernatural aspects. If he'd stayed as the endlessly charismatic vaguely threatening swamp preacher who'd either convert you or you'll disappear in the bayou it would've fared much better.
@@Taabituubi exactly NXT Bray Wyatt > Main Roster Bray Wyatt, but then again anyone from the 2014-2018 era of NXT was superior to what Vince turned them into on the main roster because Vince couldn't book for shit.
I would say that Bryan didn’t come out for any worse for wear in both feuds he had with him.
Hot Take: 2011 is the most underrated year in WWE. It had The Rock’s return, R Truth had a great heel turn, Summer of Punk, Rise of Daniel Bryan, Orton and Christian’s rivalry, Mark Henry’s Hall of Pain, Cody Rhodes brought back the classic IC Title, Christian Mark Henry and Daniel Bryan won their first world titles, Zack Ryder was showing anyone could get over on their own, and the in ring work started to drastically improving. It was the year it started to develop into the WWE we know today.
WWE in 2011 definitely had its moments, but there were also some pretty bad storylines in 2011 with the never ending Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler feud, one of the worst Wrestlemanias ever, the anonymous raw GM, and most of the summer of punk
I got into WWE in 2010, and honestly all these years later I still remember a lot about 2011. I Agee with your take for sure. People seem to remember the bad more than the good
Summer of Punk in 2011 sucked. Pipebomb was great, mitb build was great. Event was great. The whole summer after that absolutely fucking sucked as far as punk was concerned
@@Wasechubby there was more of the bad than the good thats why and that's because Vince books moments rather than telling a story.
Okada has said it himself.
The Rainmaker is a cheat code, because people get infinitely more invested just by having someone duck.
If Jeff Hardy would’ve stayed clean, he would have surpassed John Cena in all time popularity, Hardy had an MTV show lined up around the time he left wwe in 2009 but everything fell through after the felony charges
Sadly that's not really a hot take. It's just simple facts. Even his push in the early 2000s shows it. He had the potential to be one of THE guys multiple times and his own flaws and mistakes cost him time and time again.
Jeff will always and forever be my favorite wrestler, but I cannot deny that he is his own worst enemy and to watch him grasp so much just to stumble breaks my heart.
Hot take: I liked the Spirit Squad. They did their job well as annoying heels, and innovated with gang-up special moves and unorthodox cheating using their trampoline.
I remember as a kid Eugene being over as hell! He always got massive (and positive) reactions. Perhaps I’m misremembering but it felt a lot of people were laughing with the character and rooting for him, rather than laughing at him and cheering ironically. Eugene’s character was definitely in poor taste but some of that is our own failure to divorce our contemporary sensibilities with the time period of when Eugene’s character was prominent.
Yup. People loved Eugene. They ended up ruining it of course.
I look back on Eugene incredibly fondly. I'm sure WWE did not handle him sensitively because their track record is abysmal, but I remember him being fun and incredibly easy to cheer for. Plus his music was an absolute banger so as a kid that made me fucking love him right off the bat. Played as him all the time in the games he was in.
I think it's less the character is in poor taste. I remember seeing that the wrestler, Dinsmore, had a coach whose kid was autistic; and so from his perspective he was truly trying to give kids like him someone to look up to, to give representation to, and Dinsmore took it very seriously. The issue is Vince/writers, they used it as a gag, they put it in poor taste; he becomes Bischoffs nephew as a way to make fun of Eric.
Hot Take: Solo Sikoa's inspiration and tributes to Umaga hurt his character more than help it most of the time. I want to see him do his own unique things and contribute to the Bloodline more than just look menacingly at something in the background. He simply doesn’t have the size, the look or explosiveness in the ring (in my opinion) to make what he's portraying in the ring feel believable. I do enjoy his BWAHs though. They always get me chuckling.
I definitely don't see what people see in Solo (yet) but that could change for sure after The Bloodline is done.
I think it's been long enough for a generation of fans to not even know who Umaga was. He was rarely ever mentioned on WWE or even in WWE games for a while after his death.
@@billybeeeeeeeeee I agree with you, he's shorter than his brothers and lacks a physique I would find menacing, he's got the character down pat, but the look doesn't do it for me, what makes him stand out is when someone pushes him into light comedy territory, like when sami breaks him with laughter or he argues with a little kid about being called a chicken, that stuff is great and I find him compelling, but just him being a brute doesn't do it for me.
@@magesideI think he could pull off a Samoa Joe type gimmick well. Similar body type and stature. He just needs to get good at talking and get more agile
Hot take: The idea that matches should be between a face and a heel because otherwise people wouldnt know who to cheer for needs to die. Audiences are not stupid and will cheer for whoever they want.
Darby is just the love child of Sting & Spike Dudley. I've been sayin that 4 years
Hot Take: The worst moments of the PG Era are no where near as bad as the worst moments of the Attitude Era, New Generation Era, and Ruthless Aggression Era
What? You're not a fan of Beaver Cleavage or Kane impregnating Lita against her will?
@@atticus8659I love it
You're right that is a very hot take.
But PG era was more boring
Ehhh I dont know dude...those celebrity GMs were fucking rank and as terrible as alot of those eras moments were at least it got people on TV where PG era made your main event guys look like shit and half your roster was sitting home not being used
Here’s a hot take: There really isn’t an “advantage” in WarGames. Sure, you could have the numbers advantage at the start, but you could also save your biggest or freshest member for the end to come in last and clean house.
The advantage comes from the last person in, since that's when the match technically starts..
Just look at last years. The Bloodline didn’t have the advantage, but they actually did since Roman came in and wrecked everyone
My hot take:
Vince Russo did a good job in TNA, before Hogan and Bischoff ruined it.
After Jarrett got sent home and Russo started running the show we got:
The Main Event Mafia storyline which was fun.
A bunch of young talent getting elevated
AJ established as the top guy
TNA's first big money fued (in the sense that people actually paid to show up and they had to send people away at the fair grounds) was Raven V Jarret in 2003, and that whole thing was a Russo production.
I mean there was stuff that absolutely awful, but for the most part he did fairly okay.
Hot Take: Christian and Orton’s 2011 Rivalry was better than the Summer of Punk
Marko Stunt is probably a more apt comparison to Spike Dudley. Watching Brodie Lee yeet him across the ring was glorious.
I'm not so sure because Darby is popular like Spike became. Spike was over because of it, Stunt not so much, but the 3 do share common ground for sure.
As a person on the Spectrum I'm totally okay with Eugene
I legit would want to hear more about this if you care to. No sarcasm.
@@billybeeeeeeeeee in a way I kind of saw part of myself in him. The way people used him to get what they wanted. The being picked on for not being the same mental age as your other coworkers or in my case schoolmates
@@jwn411 fuck, dude that sucks. so then what did seeing that represented on tv do for you? did it make watching it more real? or did you enjoy seeing Eugene get the better of the people trying to use him?
@@billybeeeeeeeeee I knew there was something off with the wrestling industry but still enjoyed the events as they transpired. And just like in Blazing Saddles, Robin Hood Men in Tights, Spaceballs watching ignorant and stupid people get their comeuppance is always funny
@@jwn411 absolutely, and those are timeless fucking movies too
Hot Take: The infamous 'Shockmaster' moment was staged. People say he was supposed to be some intimidating guy when he debuted but the fall turned his character into a clumsy goof, but just look at him: A big guy in a furry vest and a glittered up stormtrooper helmet, with Ole Anderson doing his 'Black Scorpion' voice. There's no way in hell this was originally meant to be taken seriously.
I got one I actually liked the two-man powertrip
Implying that AEW doesn't do storylines, and thus AEW fans like straight up matches is an extremely horrible take.
This had continued to agree poorly
I am in total agreement with Robert's hot take! 🔥
Very logical!
My opinion: the elite (omega, bucks, page) used bullet club more as a stepping stone than anything else.
Hot take: Finn Balor is a high level depth guy who will have feuds with top stars, but from here on out, will never be anything more than a transitional world champion if he wins one
I was a kid during Eugenes debut and I loved him lol
Here's One I Prefer Samoa Joe's Undefeated Streak In TNA than Goldberg's In WCW he's limited In the ring
It's a complete crime Samoa Joe was never WWE Champion. Here's hoping the improbable happens in the future.
Damn you can't argue that Million Dollar man take he brought greatness to the industry
Thanks for answering my take friendos!
My opinion: john lauriniatis is responsible for the vacuum of lower card talent in the 2000’s WWE because of his tampering of OVW
Here’s a fun game; take a shot everytime a Eugene segment made you feel uncomfortable
i wouldnt be taking many shots
I would be sober
Didn't Bret say that the "agreed" plan was he would win at Survivor Series, but then relinquish the belt at Raw the next night? Or am I having a Mandela Effect moment? Lol
He proposed that, but I don't believe it was ever agreed to. I know Jim Cornette told Vince "why don't you let him piss In your mouth while he does that" in regards to that idea. Would result in your entire company being buried imo. The talk was that he'd drop it to someone else later that month, but Shawn was the problem.
WWE was never concerned that Bret would show up with the title on WCW, they'd already won a lawsuit after the Medusa thing, and Bret would never have done that. But nothing was stopping Bischoff from coming on TV that Monday live and saying that he had signed the current WWF champion and that he'd be here in however many weeks. Because as soon as midnight hit, he could say and do that with no recourse from WWF.
I don't care what anyone says. Bret would have never shown up in WCW with a WWF belt. He also would have done the company thing and dropped the belt to whoever. He just did not want to drop it in Canada which I could understand. This pissed McMahon off so he devised away to forcefully take title off him. It was henious what he did and I have never liked Vince since that day. They can say what they want but on that Day Vince screwed Bret. If I was Bret I would have never been able to forgive him for that moment as they ultimately tanished his career.
Vince is a slimeball and has done more harm to WWE in the past 2 decades than good. Really hope this Endenvour deal ends up elbowing him out completely.
@@MikeWilsonBarrett Bret wouldn't have shown up with the belt. But he was being absurd with the I won't drop it in Canada nonsense.
I always saw the Rainmaker finisher as more of a “For Good measure” manuever than anything else.
In his big fights, it’s very often kicked out of as opposed to other finishers from NJPW’s roster. Often it’s the spinning tombstone followed by the Rainmaker that puts Okada’s opponents away.
Raquel Rodriguez's Tron looks like the intro to a lunchtime talk show
The Million Dollar Man did it all wow didn’t even think about it like that - Too Sweet baybay
I don't know if u guys noticed but Austin Theory is now the 3rd longest reigning US CHAMP under the WWE umbrella after MVP and Dean Ambrose 🎉
Hot take: Logan Paul needs a new finisher. Literally has lost every boxing match he’s been in except for one draw and we’re supposed to believe that his right hand can actually win him any major matches
Woah woah woah. The name on the contract said McMahon, but it was Shane, not Vince.
I dont actually hate the Eugene character and honestly he was super over. You go back and watch he was super over the crowd loved him. Nick Dinsmore said the Eugene character was his idea mainly cause he was sick of not being called up to the main roster so he met up with Vince and pitched the character and he approved it. I think the problem with Eugene other than the obvious is that he was a little bit overexposed on the show like on average he had 2 segments most weeks and it could fluctuate from 2-4 a week and perhaps that was the crowd turning on him plus his injury in 2005 didnt help.
Ive recently been watching RAW where Eugene turned heel and honestly it could be in poor taste but i dont think it was bad just didnt seem to mean much turning on Jim Duggan. Eugene wasnt the best character but definitely not the worst
Overexposure and bad booking after hte initial run.
I can kind of agree with the "I just want good matches" take. I'm way too busy to keep up with weekly shows so I just go with matches most people really seem to enjoy and just kick back and enjoy good wrasslin
Regarding the screw job, it could go the other way. As in they decided to do it on a night with a mass amount of cameras around in case Bret got out of hand with his reaction and somebody got seriously hurt. The cameras, and fear of being filmed commiting a murder, may have been the reason Vince only received one punch.
Super hot take: Kerwin White done today would be great, especially if you take into account current day things like Hispanics for Trump, etc. I think it would be a gold mine for hilarious heel work
Wow thanks so much for reading my comment. Love you guys 😁
Hot take Charlotte flair character is actually Stephanie McMahon but an amazing wrestler
I'd love if they gave Raquel a titantron but instead of clips of her finisher it's clips of her flexing her back lol
Not sure if it's a hot take or not but: Adam Pearce is one of the best Authority figures in the past few decades. Also he should've had his match with Roman at the Rumble
Raquel’s tron looks like a business card for a personal trainer, also I just realized her flexing arm is the L in her name 🤦🏻♂️
If you only care about good matches you are a mark
Hot take: if your talk about wrestling online you are a mark
Def should do more of these
There is no single punch related finisher that is good. If the big shows M.W.D, Roman’s superman punch or Logan Paul’s titanium fist is so powerful, why don’t the lead with this finisher (especially when these guys punch people in the gut instead of the head)
hot take: i have no real opinion on cm punk. i dont like him, i dont hate him, im just neutral on him.
Honestly Steve's Stone Cold is pretty much how heel Stone Cold talked. If you go back and watch some of his Manic in ring promos it's damn near 1 to 1.
Hot Take: I have and never will get the hype around Liv Morgan. She’s not charismatic or a good promo, and she’s not that good from an in ring standpoint either. Say what you will about Rousey’s cringe promos, but I can name you multiple good singles matches she’s had. Can’t name you one Liv Match.
Liv is just Alexa Bliss from five years ago with less of the femdom goddess stuff
She’s hot and child like to many fans in other words a lot of wrestling fans are pervs
The Eugene story with Triple H was great, triple H taking advantage of the fact that he was Eugene's favourite wrestler.
The Lex talk made me rewatch OSWs review of the Lex Express. Lex looked miserable the whole time😂
11:25 I swear I heard somewhere Lex didn't stay on the bus. He would stay in a hotel.
I'm a wrestling match fan first and storylines are just a bonus
Pretty sure Jim Cornette mentioned in one of the times he was asked about Montreal that the plan was for Bret to show up on Raw the next night and hand the belt off to Vince
As to the having film crews backstage during the screwjob, Vince loves content baby.
Hot Take: Wrestling as a whole relies too hard on audience knowing and understanding Wrestling tropes.
For instance, I had to try to explain why grabbing the rope magically makes pins 10x harder, bcause its not clear by the in ring action nor does commentary explain it.
There are dozens more examples of this.
I don’t think this is a hot take, but Darby should turn heel and join the House of Black
Eugene was amazing loved it said what I said I loved the execution thought it was perfect absolutely amazing
Hot take, i dont understand the hype behind minoru sazuki, he may have a legit background but all he does is smack wrestlers chest and do a pile driver, at a painfully slow speed.
He's like the Frank Dux of New Japan
Hot take; the WCW US title from '96-'01 is the best looking midcard title ever
Hot take:
Vince is right about not doing cross overs with other wrestling companies.
I like AEW until all the "who the hell is this guy" people show up every year around Forbidden Door
It shows that WWE isn't a wrestling company and hasn't been for at least the past 15 years.
Their shows while entertaining at times, isn't for wrestling fans.
@@ripman21 as much as I still do like WWE, I gotta agree with you. WWE isn't for the wrestling fans. It's for sponsors. Last PPV it felt like they were whoring themselves out with how much they kept promoting Bud Light. Then they'll say they're making the show for kids, so like who was the bud light ad for? Because they definitely pushed Bud Light more than LA Knight and that's who we all wanna see.
I love the rainmaker
I really enjoyed the inVasion storyline and at times I miss it.
Hot take :
Arn Anderson is a way better worker than flair, flair had the same match over and over but his promos were so entertaining everyone over looked how same same his in ring work was. Arn was so good in the ring and his heel work was amazing. And to this day man, no spine buster comes close.
The people's elbow was a standing elbow with theatrics.
I guess my hot take is that I already fell out of love with CM Punk when he came back to work for the WWE for that talk show thing. Not only did he go back to work for the very people that ruined his life just to make some money, his whole AEW run has really made him come across as a massive hypocrite by showing up and immediately getting a main event and championship run before guys that had been there longer than him. Kinda like what he complained about all the way back in 2011
Hot take(?): ref bumps that result in heels cheating to win should be banned from now on. It's a lazy and boring plot device that all wrestling promotions use too much. It's the one thing in pro wrestling I can't suspend my disbelief over, since thousands of people and dozens of cameras witness the cheating.
WHAAAT Steves Stone Cold is over the top!?!??!?!? Noooo way! ... It´s aweseomly unrealistic, you can hear where the impression is rooted, but he poots his own Stunner of Stamp on it! Luv you guys, keeep it up! Steve .... & Larson!
Hot take: Y'all only consider the shield the greatest because of the main two years. But truth be told, the shield was only good when they started feuding with the Wyatt family. Everything going forward was great. Like realistically we are not talking about matches or what they did individually. Name something outside the entrance and matches that made them great. I'll wait.
Hot Take : THE STREAK ENDED AT THE RIGHT TIME. look at Undertaker matches after the streak ended, not one you can call 'good'. Vince knew Taker was finished before Taker did
Eugene as a character always felt like Vince's feelings about wwe fans,
So with Booker vs HHH I do agree, but honestly I blame Goldberg coming in the next night and Vince wanting a heel champion for him to chase as to why Booker lost instead of any sort of HHH backstage politics
My opinion: the claw move should make a comeback.
I think the rainmaker's believably is almost entirely from NJPW's fantastic camera work. It doesn't feel nearly as impactful anywhere besides New Japan.
My Hot Take:
On average, the Ruthless Aggression era has aged better than the Attitude Era has.
And WWE has never been better than it was during the 2002-2004 run of Smackdown
I could have sworn Eugene turned heel at one point stated he faked his disability the whole time but could very easily be a Mandela effect situation
he did turn heel but he never said his disability was fake. He said he was ''special'' and the audience were laughing at him. He got angry and had meltdowns attacking people for things not going his way
Nobody really cares that Roman Reigns has been champion for 1000+ days, nor will they care when Gunther breaks the IC title record. Numbers don't mean a thing, people will only remember the matches and feuds.
It will make it seem like a bigger deal when they're actually beaten. No one cares now because they're currently in it. When you look back on history it will matter, and it will matter for the guy who eventually beats them.
impact wrestling has always had the best womens roster throughout its history
no lol
@@vegetalover9297 yes
Agree one hundred percent
AEW should sign David Benoit and If he comes out with the name “Chris Benoit Jr” then Tony Kahn will be the bravest man in wrestling. Yeah, it could be in poor taste but David himself said he’d be fine with using that name and it’s been 16 years!
Hot take: the argument that WWE shattered the UK indie scene, can be applied to AEW regarding the US indie scene
I don't hate the Eugene character either. But only because Nick Dinsmore was so all in on it. It was a horrible idea and gimmick but I thought he pulled it off better than just about anybody else could. He actually came off as endearing to me.
Plus it was his idea
@@Venemofthe888 huh? That I didn't know. I always felt bad for the guy doing such a great job with a terribly conceived gimmick. Regardless I'll stand by the fact he executed it really well regardless what you think of the concept.
@@danielpatterson5189 yh according to him he created the gimmick because he was sick of being overlooked and not called up to the main roster so he met with Vince in a meeting to pitch the idea and the rest is history
@@Venemofthe888 well it got him on tv and he did it well so good for him.
Honestly and I say this as a fan of 2001... I feel Wrestlemania X7 isn't as good as many romanticize it as. Yes it was the climax of an era beloved by many but Austin's heel turn soured an otherwise solid show.
The only tron that matters is Theory's Beyblade tron
Hot Take: Matt Hardy's Legacy is far superior than Jeff's. Jeff is a Walking Bump Spot with a Face Paint.
I will always argue that Triple H was way more reasonable with his power than 99% of the other wrestlers who have had the same sway (or who wish they did)
1. The Nexus absolutely deserved to lose at Summerslam. There wasn't enough talent to keep the Nexus strong. Barrett at best was only ever gonna be a mid-carder.
2. X-Pac or Chyna should've won KOTR '99.
3. Edge's Rumble return may be ICONIC (the expressions on his face as he soaks in the crowd then he bosses up and goes into his entrance pose/pyro was IMMACULATE) but his matches since don't offer much, plus they wasted a rumble win on him, too. He should've have the rumble return then immediately went to managing someone/some team. Or even just be an agent and help this generation develop promo abilities and storylines.
4. Bret is the only guy who would absolutely be a part of the screwjob and continue to sell it forever. I legit think he had a part in it because he knew WCW wouldn't know what to do with him. lol.
Rey Mysterio is a top 5 wrestler of all time and should be considered on wrestling’s mt Rushmore
Orange Cassidy is the Undertaker of AEW and that’s not a good thing
Why does this guy strangely look like John Cena and Wes Borland at the same time?
_Would put a Hot Take but it would be Anti CM Punk and I'm not about that on a Sunday. So instead:_
*_That Milliondollar Man one is genius!_*
I don’t mind the trons they have these days and I think they’re overhated. Whenever that is brought up, it’s always “Raquel and Sonya’s are terrible so therefore their all terrible.” Those ARE terrible but there’s people who have good ones
In ovw he was basically the American version of Chris Benoit minus the murder
As of June Nick Densmore was still wrestling using the Eugene character. I saw him at our county fair/carnival in full on Eugene gear and still acting like someone with “learning disabilities” He had a fairly hot wife or girlfriend as a valet though and wrestled in the main event against Robert Gibson. Sad really .
I loved the eugene character he was a inspiration to lots of special needs people like myself
But the man himself wasn't special needs, it's basically the equivalent of someone doing blackface
@@kinnikuboneman yes that may be true and it mad me sad when I found out I still am ok with it because in the 2000s there was not that many people with special needs in movies in wrestling or even on tv I look at it like this eugene walked so others could run
As much as I love Jeff Hardy he's just a lesser in ring worker than RVD
Hot Take: Daniel Bryon shouldn't of ever been above the mid card miz feed was his best run and miz isn't considered a top contender
The rainmaker take is so wrong. The best finishers are the ones that can be pulled off on anybody at any moment of a match. This is why it works so well like a cutter/RKO and a stunner. No need for a setup, just hit it an pin them
Sorry, but THANK YOU NOAHTURTLE