Fun fact: most winged races in DnD can't use their flying speed while wearing heavy armor, so from a gameplay perspective WotC actually thought about it
Not especially, just something grandfathered from previous editions all the way back. And then they made Winged Tieflings in 5e who just ignore the rules and fly in heavy armour with no penalty.
Yeah but unless you have a magical fantasy armor material that's weightless, you're gonna need to think about how much something like "plates to use wings as shields" would actually work if you wanted your character to still fly.
can you explain how getting the thighs damaged matters less than your feet? like its gonna be pretty hard to use your feet if your thighs aren't working
Because it's better to have lost your foot and need a prosthetic/peg leg while still having a perfectly functional knee, than having less than stellar leg movement as a whole, because there's a higher chance of having more/less movement in the knee than before, making it harder to get used to. Hope this helps!
id argue especially for someone flying, since it risks their thighs being at head level, you may want more lower body armour to protect the arteries in the legs
I would HIGHLY contest armpits and thighs being green. Both of those areas have pretty major arteries that you want to protect. If your femoral artery is severed, you will bleed out in like less than 2 minutes without IMMEDIATE medical attention or a healing spell
You need to update that diagram to include the thighs and biceps as something important to protect. The thighs contain the femoral arteries and the biceps contain the brachial arteries, all of which are directly connected to the heart. If those arteries are ruptured, you could bleed out in seconds.
Not bows and arrows; they wouldn't be able to maintain the structure to use them unless they were magic bows with low draw weights but high output (by magic). You'd want crossbows, slings (With special methods for using them which use flight patterns to sling instead of kinetic linking from foot to hand) and, best of all, spells. Any ranged weapon used in the air will need to be specialised for use in the air- or you just handwave it (E.g., the way the Rito in Zelda can use bows despite their arms being wings)
If you have wings and theyre like regular wings not encanted or anything and lets assume it could only carry your body weight plus a few more pounds then theres going to be nothing you can wear effectivly for flying, Either wear some light armor and probably be able to fly but risk your wings being permantly damaged during combat or have protection on your wings but not be able to fly while wearing that but i would still take that every other day because it could potentially be used as a shield
I disagree with this. I agree that if you can fly, you should just stay in the air raining down arrows. BUT, armor isnt going to help you up there. English longbows can easily go through most types of armor. And in most cases bows are going to be the only thing that can get you. So, if getting hit=death, you would want to avoid getting hit. Which is why you would want to wear basically nothing. Since it maked you move faster so you could dodge arrows easier
There have been many instances of flying fantasy characters getting their wings hurt and I'm trying to develop a solution to this but it's not going so well. You'd need something with the lightness and flexibility of aluminum but with the strength and durability of medieval armor, and it's just not realistically possible. Characters with bird-like wings are especially vulnerable if they're related almost directly to birds, because birds' bones are hollow
Isn't there a way to make up a fantasy metal that meets those qualifications? Mithril was described in Lord of the Rings as "light as a feather, yet hard as dragon scales".
@@VanNessy97 I'm sure it's possible, but right now the most I've come up with is a full cover of some sort for the wings with small fans built in to account for the decreased mobility, but it's really bulky and unrealistic. Right now I'm looking at some alternatives where the armor flexes with the wing using lightweight plates strapped to the wings and connected using plates. It's not perfect but if I come up with a fantasy metal, it'd probably solve a lot of problems I've been annoyed by. Of course this is fantasy so I could've just been like "boom, mage shield" but if there's anything fantasy is for, it's making things as realistic as possible
@@treasurebrotherz5586 Fair enough. Though for shooting, not much less than plate is going to help much there, unless you're specifically meaning arrows.
I think feathered wings can also protect the bone part, especially the part where the wing attaches to the back. If they lose some feathers, they can at least crash safely that way instead of losing the entire wing...
Silk armor might actually be best in the air since it’s piercing resistant. Arrows and spears are probably going to be your most major threats and you could reinforce the chest and head with leather.
I think protecting the major back muscles, base of the wings, arms, thighs, and torso would be the most important since if they're flying archers then the biceps, triceps, forearms, and major back muscles are all insanely important for using a bow and staying in the air, and of course the other listed parts are just generally important to protect
IDEA: PAPER SCALE ARMOR where multiple paper pages are stacked, glued and pressed to create paper plates that are then sewn to cloth and the top and bottom of each other plates. Relatively light and offers great protection. Main problem: water from rain (can be waterproofed to prevent rain damage)
I love this "what about fantasy but realistic stuff" but I think some more considerations need to be done. While you fly you bob a lot to stay afloat in place, also your wings flapping would get in the way of drawing a bow at full draw. Probably the best tactic would be to throw caltrops on your enemies and then land to finish them with spears. Short spears can also be used in air combat since flying creatures can use their own momentum instead of swinging or throwing. It works best with the dynamics of flight.
Not sure if you already did, but after seeing your comments on female fantasy armor (especially for archers) please review Susan’s archer armor in the Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian, because I think it might be one of the few that actually works.
I would imagine some form of protection for the area surrounding the wing joints, the achilleas, and the knee would be useful since flyers tend to be movement based and you can’t mover if you get hit those spots
actually if you scale up a bird to human size they would be horrifically strong to be able to use their wings in short, a bird person could very much use plate armour and be able to fly
My Aarakocra cleric wears just a chest plate, bracers, and pauldrons, with chain mail covering everything else. He is technically proficient with heavy armor but flying with that would be a pain in the ass.
I dont think a brigandine would be a good idea. Those things are still very heavy, like 10kg+ heavy. At that point you could literally wear plate armour for your torso and nothing would change regarding your ability to fly
It's not really about how strong you are, but about how much lift your wings can generate for a given airspeed and angle of attack, and the very limited period in which muscles can sustain max power output. The majority of birds are only capable of sustained flight because they glide intermittently to conserve energy, with the exception being hummingbirds, who get away with it because they weigh less than a marshmallow and guzzle pure sugar every fifteen minutes. Once you hit a point where the duty cycle of gliding versus flapping stops giving your flight muscles sufficient time to rest, you need to either drop some weight or prepare for a landing. Just being stronger doesn't help, because muscle has mass, and increasing power without increasing wing size has diminishing returns - eventually the extra muscle mass is just dead weight. That said, in a fantasy world there might be ways to enhance strength or reduce weight magically, so, you know, whatever. But that's hardly any fun to debate.
@DistortedSemance I'm rephrasing this to make sure I understand this right: So you'd glide more than flap, similar to a bird of prey, and armor would, by default, decrease the distance (therefore time) between movements, regardless of training. You'd fall more like a rock than glide, even if your train hours a day for months, just because... armor is heavy, yo. Plus, it restricts movement to some degree, and gravity pulls differently when you're standing up versus laying on your stomach (the most aerodynamic position and still be able to see); so that's more to deal with. I feel like this is look talking about centaurs: the more you dig, the more messed up it gets.
@aaronyoung8301 Yes, it pretty much all boils down to physics and biomechanics being against you. Look up the square cube law. It's really really difficult to justify the existence of humanoid angel-style winged flight without magic. There was actually a real-life bird (argentavis magnificens) that was about the size and weight of a human and could actually fly. However, it was (obviously) shaped like a bird, not a human, and its wings were massive (nearly 7 meters or 24 feet long.) Swapping its head for a human head would basically result in a harpy, so there's at least one type of human sized flying creature that is reasonably realistic. But the way flying humanoids are depicted, with barely ten foot wingspans flapped by tiny wimpy pecs, probably not.
Actually the solution to this is Dragon scale armour, I currently can't make it public due to age but it's: 1. Lightweight 2. Breathable 3. Protective (not optional) 4. Just tight enough to cling to the body when moving at high speeds And it adjusts to whoever's wearing it!
Ya arrows lose their penetrating power relatively quickly as they are so light. That means a flying race would have to get low enough for their arrows to be lethal that grounded foes would be able to reach them with their arrows as well. But rocks, darts, or flechettes gain power the higher up you drop them from. And fun fact dropping flechettes was a strategy early planes used instead of flying low enough so that mounted guns would be effective. As a general rule of thumb for projectile weapons (excluding gravity powered weapons) is if you can hit them with your ranged weapons they likely can hit you with theirs. For planes and flying races it’s even more likely for them to be the case as grounded foes can use MUCH heavier propelling equipment than aerial units as they don’t have to worry about lift, thrust, or drag. I don’t think aerial races would wear much armour if any at all. It would just decrease their ability their rate of climb, their speed, their maneuverability, and their maximum altitude they can reach. I’d rather stay out of range with no armour than be in range with armour. That’s just me though.
The importance of green and orange on the limbs should be reversed. For the most part, if we look at historical armors that don't cover the entire body, we generally see that the upper arm and thighs are armored before the forearms and shins. There are some exceptions, such as Greek Hoplites wearing greaves but generally no thigh armor, but they also carried a giant shield that generally covered the thighs. You have larger blood vessels in your proximal limb segments than in the distal segments, so wounds there would carry a greater risk of bleeding out. Plus, a wound that disables the proximal segment will disable the distal segment anyway. Lastly, because of leverage, the same weight farther out on a limb will be felt more than that weight closer to the shoulder/hip.
Been thinking about it for shapshifters. So. The arms shift into wings,then how do I make them wear armor or cloth for fashion/protection? Little piercings. Make small holes on the arm skin and maybe hip so you can pass chords through; that way you can attach some leather, fabric and even jewelry without obstructing the growth and shrinking of leather and feather wings. Now, SIZE, is an entirely different matter XD
I'd swap the protection importance if the upper and lower legs, as your thigh contains your femoral artery that can ciause you to die from blood loss in minutes if cut
I wouldn't actually recommend using bows for winged people since you need to use your back muscles to pull a bow and shooting downwards with a bow is hell. A sling on even throwing knives would probably be better because gravity can speed up the projectiles.
you’d want to cover the upper arms and legs before the lower arms and legs. Both have massive arteries that could cause a bleed out in seconds. Femoral artery go brrr
This might be a little unrelated in terms of fantasy but there's this webtoon that I've been obsessed with that's sorta WW2 coded with humans that can turn into beastmen(humanoid animals but noy purely animalistic). Since it takes place in a WW2 setting their uniforms are a bit more modern. For winged creatures, the Federvolks, they would have slits on the back of their uniform for their wings and the bottom part of their jacket would be like one of those coat tails so their feathered tails could spread apart. The designs took importance of the human form and the certain body parts that would incorporate the animal side of them (in beast form their heads take form fo the animal (including teeth, tusks, horns etc etc) and its tail) All helmets differed too especially for horned beastmen or the reptilians. As far as I know for them a fish/water creature beastman is a legend or fairytale
You have to keep in mind that flying soldiers will have stronger wings than your average member of that species. A random fairy may not be able to carry an extra 75 lbs, but a mercenary? A fairy that’s battle ready? They’ve definitely beefed their wings up.
As an fyi birds are less dense than mammals (most mammals are roughly as dense as water, give of take a bit) whereas birds range from 0.6-0.9% as dense as water. The more time birds spend in flight the less dense they tend to be. Which is why eagles are so light considering they’re pretty freaking big. Plus the bigger the bird (capable if sustained flight) the less dense it has to be. So a bird with the same body volume as a human would likely be about half as heavy. So a 180lbs human soldier would be equivalent to a 90lbs avian race soldier. Eagles can only fly for short periods carrying 30% of their body weight and generally can only carry 10-20% for long distances. Meaning armour couldn’t exceed 20lbs for a individual roughly the size of a human. And they couldn’t carry weapons. Edit: Tldr bird men wouldn’t wear armour. They would dedicate all of their weight carrying capacity to ammunition, and they wouldn’t use a bow and arrow either. They would use flechettes (or just f-ing rocks lol) fly up well above the range of terrestrial races projectiles and just drop them and let gravity do all the work. They would probably also engage in battles much like how orcas, wolves, and ancient humans (most likely) hunt large game. That they would split into three or more teams. Then have one team actively harry the opponent by dropping projectiles on them, while one is back at camp recovering, and the third replenish their weapons and travels back to relieve the active team. This way the they are always fully equipped and rested but the opponent is slowly being depleted. If they existed irl they would be nearly impossible to take on militarily due to this. Much like in game of thrones universe dragons were just so overwhelming that no one could resist the dragon lords, at least not for long.
I think we missed out on something that many other channels don't. There is quantity of damage and there likely damage. I'll give an example. As humans we stand on the ground on 2 legs, our arms are on our upper body. And our legs to some degree are kinda fast. Meaning even though you can die to a leg injury as a possible 30 second death having someone reaching a leg blow could be considered as more dificult than the same prosses but for the head, our arms and travel of damage would be more efficient for such trades so a helm some shoulder padding and a good chest peace maybe all we need as likely hood of hit my depict. Now for an avian race how do they attack? They may use there feet for example more because it requires less from the now farther away arms. And if your diving into an attack it almost makes more sense to have battle trousers and bladed boots than a chest plat.
What about fairies? Most fairies are depicted as being tiny with very delicate wings. At that point, because they are so small, would it matter to give them armor? Like, if Tinkerbell were to want to fight Captain Hook, would having armor make a difference? If so, what would it look like? Sorry if that's a weirdly specific question. This video just made it pop into my head
For armour vs weight, leather would be the practical answer. Say, a leather breastplate with just X straps on the back. The larger question is how much does the flying person have to worry about temperature. But if magic is involved at all, mithril chainmail, enchanted with a permanent featherfall. Light as leather, flexible as mail, and built in parachute.
What about armor for a humanoid with a tail and ears on their head? The only reason I am asking this is because I am making a high fantasy video game with cat folk.
Youve done yourself a disservice. Now i will draw angels in thay skimpy armor and the single covered breast-plate with complete justification. : P ( I won't but i could)
No hate, but aiming is way harder in the air and dodging is a little different than on the ground so I don't think they should just stick to bows and range attacks.
Hold up, on that least-important map you made isnt it a bit strange to consider the thighs and upper arms the leadt important when theyre the parts that connect to the arms/hands, legs/feet? Plus, i swear if you you have a pretty nice artery in the thigh thatd be pretty important to keep safe
I feel since your legs would likely be hanging down when flying, the closer parts to the enemy would be the more likely to get hit or grappled, which is why I figured boots would be more beneficial! This would be especially true if you were flying barely above your enemies, or not too far away from them.
@@dejatwo ahhh, I get that, my assumption was more like these characters wearing the armour were having air to air fights instead of air to ground. This makes more sense😌
How would you protect their wings from arrows or the occasional spear or sword if they get too close? Can't imagine chainmail would be a good idea for it's mass but maybe we'll placed leather armor just along the top of the wings idk
how come the shoulders and thighs are less important than forearms and calves.. last i checked there’s a couple veins that with one slice leads to pretty much instant death
Hey Deja, I'm curious, and it does play into the "how realistically good is this getup". Which pokemon player character wears the best clothes for traveling as a trainer?
I have a question. Can a mercy dagger stab through chainmail? And is there any way to prevent or minimalize the chance of being stabbed by a mercy dagger?
OMG, I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. okay so, there is a species in Destiny called the Eliksni they have two sets of arms, what would be good functional armor for them?
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Fun fact: most winged races in DnD can't use their flying speed while wearing heavy armor, so from a gameplay perspective WotC actually thought about it
I think the logical aspects came later while "we don't want flying tanks" came first
Not especially, just something grandfathered from previous editions all the way back. And then they made Winged Tieflings in 5e who just ignore the rules and fly in heavy armour with no penalty.
I'm having alot of fun playing an armorer fairy artificer who made her own prosthetic wings that attach to her armor set
Aww great idea!
I hope you won’t mind my stealing this idea.
@@NerrawGnap more disability rep in fantasy so go for it
@@enzokalani kinda reminds of “Skyborn” now that I think about it…
@@NerrawGnap no clue what that is, the idea for a fairy without wings came from a Barbie movie lol
the rito from zelda have amazing armor for birds, especially cuz their archerers
also they use their bows with there talons which is badass!!
Damnit I was gonna comment this ❤
The best armor for flying creatures is a sheild and sheer distance
Bladed tail armor. Plates to use wings as shields. There was so much creativity to be had here!
Yeah but unless you have a magical fantasy armor material that's weightless, you're gonna need to think about how much something like "plates to use wings as shields" would actually work if you wanted your character to still fly.
I'm thinking of Dame Aylin! Her unguarded wings frighten me, I know she's immortal, but she isn't immune to OW!
If the green is least important, that's a problem. Lol
Right, the amount of blood loss from a slice to the thigh will lead to your death on that battle feild.
now i wanna see this guy review the armor in my little pony like how similar was horse armor to it
can you explain how getting the thighs damaged matters less than your feet? like its gonna be pretty hard to use your feet if your thighs aren't working
Bro hearted you and left with no answer...
@@Chrys4l1s gonna be looking forward to a video explanation now lol
@@inerkatakan8161 lol i hope so
Because it's better to have lost your foot and need a prosthetic/peg leg while still having a perfectly functional knee, than having less than stellar leg movement as a whole, because there's a higher chance of having more/less movement in the knee than before, making it harder to get used to. Hope this helps!
I swear I typed out an answer for this 6 hours ago and it just didnt send. Since it didn’t, I plan on making a video on it tomorrow!
"You can't fly with full plate armor"
Meanwhile Sanguinius wearing the equivalent of a fucking tank while fliying
id argue especially for someone flying, since it risks their thighs being at head level, you may want more lower body armour to protect the arteries in the legs
or, I could acquire a set of armor covered in spikes and use the wings as a speed boost to impale the opposition!!
I would HIGHLY contest armpits and thighs being green. Both of those areas have pretty major arteries that you want to protect. If your femoral artery is severed, you will bleed out in like less than 2 minutes without IMMEDIATE medical attention or a healing spell
You need to update that diagram to include the thighs and biceps as something important to protect. The thighs contain the femoral arteries and the biceps contain the brachial arteries, all of which are directly connected to the heart. If those arteries are ruptured, you could bleed out in seconds.
Not bows and arrows; they wouldn't be able to maintain the structure to use them unless they were magic bows with low draw weights but high output (by magic).
You'd want crossbows, slings (With special methods for using them which use flight patterns to sling instead of kinetic linking from foot to hand) and, best of all, spells.
Any ranged weapon used in the air will need to be specialised for use in the air- or you just handwave it (E.g., the way the Rito in Zelda can use bows despite their arms being wings)
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If you have wings and theyre like regular wings not encanted or anything and lets assume it could only carry your body weight plus a few more pounds then theres going to be nothing you can wear effectivly for flying, Either wear some light armor and probably be able to fly but risk your wings being permantly damaged during combat or have protection on your wings but not be able to fly while wearing that but i would still take that every other day because it could potentially be used as a shield
It would be fun to see you in armour one of these days. Maybe a Mongolian hunting leather armour with a falcon on your left arm. Epic!
I disagree with this. I agree that if you can fly, you should just stay in the air raining down arrows. BUT, armor isnt going to help you up there. English longbows can easily go through most types of armor. And in most cases bows are going to be the only thing that can get you. So, if getting hit=death, you would want to avoid getting hit. Which is why you would want to wear basically nothing. Since it maked you move faster so you could dodge arrows easier
There have been many instances of flying fantasy characters getting their wings hurt and I'm trying to develop a solution to this but it's not going so well. You'd need something with the lightness and flexibility of aluminum but with the strength and durability of medieval armor, and it's just not realistically possible. Characters with bird-like wings are especially vulnerable if they're related almost directly to birds, because birds' bones are hollow
Isn't there a way to make up a fantasy metal that meets those qualifications? Mithril was described in Lord of the Rings as "light as a feather, yet hard as dragon scales".
@@VanNessy97 I'm sure it's possible, but right now the most I've come up with is a full cover of some sort for the wings with small fans built in to account for the decreased mobility, but it's really bulky and unrealistic. Right now I'm looking at some alternatives where the armor flexes with the wing using lightweight plates strapped to the wings and connected using plates. It's not perfect but if I come up with a fantasy metal, it'd probably solve a lot of problems I've been annoyed by. Of course this is fantasy so I could've just been like "boom, mage shield" but if there's anything fantasy is for, it's making things as realistic as possible
I actually think you would want more armor on the lower legs. If the character is flying, legs are most vulnerable.
How low are you flying my guy
@@Sivanot low enough to hit an opponent with a pole arm. Also, if someone is shooting from beneath you, your legs would be vulnerable.
@@treasurebrotherz5586 Fair enough. Though for shooting, not much less than plate is going to help much there, unless you're specifically meaning arrows.
I think feathered wings can also protect the bone part, especially the part where the wing attaches to the back. If they lose some feathers, they can at least crash safely that way instead of losing the entire wing...
Wild it's kind of what Hawkgirl/Hawkman wear. Torso/head covered. Then have their upper arms/legs mostly uncovered but have heavy gauntlets/boots.
Absolutely WILD that the neck is not labeled as vital.
That's a bit off topic, but your hair is GOALS !!
Silk armor might actually be best in the air since it’s piercing resistant. Arrows and spears are probably going to be your most major threats and you could reinforce the chest and head with leather.
I think protecting the major back muscles, base of the wings, arms, thighs, and torso would be the most important since if they're flying archers then the biceps, triceps, forearms, and major back muscles are all insanely important for using a bow and staying in the air, and of course the other listed parts are just generally important to protect
Conquistador armour would be pretty good
IDEA: PAPER SCALE ARMOR
where multiple paper pages are stacked, glued and pressed to create paper plates that are then sewn to cloth and the top and bottom of each other plates. Relatively light and offers great protection.
Main problem: water from rain (can be waterproofed to prevent rain damage)
Unicorn overlord has some decent armor for the fliers I’d think!
Idk, man. I feel like if I lost the orange part of the neck, I would feel like I've lost my head. Seems pretty important to me
Groin area needs to be in purple. You need protection on the Femoral Artery, because you will bleed out in a few minutes if that is cut.
Imo neck should be purple, that's where the main artery goes after all
Don't forget variety trifling and draconic haratage sorcerers
Do Warhammer 40K armour next
fairies don’t need armour
they work perfectly just existing
Could you make a amor concept for things with a tail
I love this "what about fantasy but realistic stuff" but I think some more considerations need to be done. While you fly you bob a lot to stay afloat in place, also your wings flapping would get in the way of drawing a bow at full draw. Probably the best tactic would be to throw caltrops on your enemies and then land to finish them with spears. Short spears can also be used in air combat since flying creatures can use their own momentum instead of swinging or throwing. It works best with the dynamics of flight.
i thought you were gonna discuss armor to actually protect their wings XD
Not sure if you already did, but after seeing your comments on female fantasy armor (especially for archers) please review Susan’s archer armor in the Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian, because I think it might be one of the few that actually works.
It would be interesting to see how armor would change for someone with more than two legs as well
Actually instead of bows and arrows, I think a flying creature would be most effective using some sharp they can drop on the enemy
I would imagine some form of protection for the area surrounding the wing joints, the achilleas, and the knee would be useful since flyers tend to be movement based and you can’t mover if you get hit those spots
Eldritch blast + spell sniper would like to have a word lmao
I would argue that the neck is still EXTREMELY important, dont see alot of headless soldiers walking out of a battle do we?
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Dude the balls being in green is wrong fix that
I thought of the skylanders games where spyro has the wood pieces on his wings which i assume are for protection
actually if you scale up a bird to human size they would be horrifically strong to be able to use their wings
in short, a bird person could very much use plate armour and be able to fly
My Aarakocra cleric wears just a chest plate, bracers, and pauldrons, with chain mail covering everything else. He is technically proficient with heavy armor but flying with that would be a pain in the ass.
Another fantasy character would be a hybrid; like a normal human with animalistic features like a set of wings, a tail, ears or even whiskers.
I dont think a brigandine would be a good idea. Those things are still very heavy, like 10kg+ heavy. At that point you could literally wear plate armour for your torso and nothing would change regarding your ability to fly
Conditioning would probably help with the "it's too heavy" problem.
The equivalent of weight lifting or running with rocks in a backpack
It's not really about how strong you are, but about how much lift your wings can generate for a given airspeed and angle of attack, and the very limited period in which muscles can sustain max power output. The majority of birds are only capable of sustained flight because they glide intermittently to conserve energy, with the exception being hummingbirds, who get away with it because they weigh less than a marshmallow and guzzle pure sugar every fifteen minutes. Once you hit a point where the duty cycle of gliding versus flapping stops giving your flight muscles sufficient time to rest, you need to either drop some weight or prepare for a landing. Just being stronger doesn't help, because muscle has mass, and increasing power without increasing wing size has diminishing returns - eventually the extra muscle mass is just dead weight.
That said, in a fantasy world there might be ways to enhance strength or reduce weight magically, so, you know, whatever. But that's hardly any fun to debate.
@DistortedSemance
I'm rephrasing this to make sure I understand this right:
So you'd glide more than flap, similar to a bird of prey, and armor would, by default, decrease the distance (therefore time) between movements, regardless of training.
You'd fall more like a rock than glide, even if your train hours a day for months, just because... armor is heavy, yo.
Plus, it restricts movement to some degree, and gravity pulls differently when you're standing up versus laying on your stomach (the most aerodynamic position and still be able to see); so that's more to deal with.
I feel like this is look talking about centaurs: the more you dig, the more messed up it gets.
@aaronyoung8301 Yes, it pretty much all boils down to physics and biomechanics being against you. Look up the square cube law. It's really really difficult to justify the existence of humanoid angel-style winged flight without magic.
There was actually a real-life bird (argentavis magnificens) that was about the size and weight of a human and could actually fly. However, it was (obviously) shaped like a bird, not a human, and its wings were massive (nearly 7 meters or 24 feet long.) Swapping its head for a human head would basically result in a harpy, so there's at least one type of human sized flying creature that is reasonably realistic. But the way flying humanoids are depicted, with barely ten foot wingspans flapped by tiny wimpy pecs, probably not.
Actually the solution to this is Dragon scale armour, I currently can't make it public due to age but it's:
1. Lightweight
2. Breathable
3. Protective (not optional)
4. Just tight enough to cling to the body when moving at high speeds
And it adjusts to whoever's wearing it!
Heavy darts would be better than bows for flying fighters or just a bag of rocks
Ya arrows lose their penetrating power relatively quickly as they are so light. That means a flying race would have to get low enough for their arrows to be lethal that grounded foes would be able to reach them with their arrows as well. But rocks, darts, or flechettes gain power the higher up you drop them from. And fun fact dropping flechettes was a strategy early planes used instead of flying low enough so that mounted guns would be effective.
As a general rule of thumb for projectile weapons (excluding gravity powered weapons) is if you can hit them with your ranged weapons they likely can hit you with theirs. For planes and flying races it’s even more likely for them to be the case as grounded foes can use MUCH heavier propelling equipment than aerial units as they don’t have to worry about lift, thrust, or drag. I don’t think aerial races would wear much armour if any at all. It would just decrease their ability their rate of climb, their speed, their maneuverability, and their maximum altitude they can reach. I’d rather stay out of range with no armour than be in range with armour. That’s just me though.
This is an actually great detail.
Heavy arrows/ darts with good terminal velocity.
Ancient paper armor
I will give my owlin so much armor that the wings are useless and make it curse lol
Stormclouds fire and steal
Let them bow down make the enemy Neel
Shining armor and wings
Let them bow down it's an army of Kings
The importance of green and orange on the limbs should be reversed. For the most part, if we look at historical armors that don't cover the entire body, we generally see that the upper arm and thighs are armored before the forearms and shins. There are some exceptions, such as Greek Hoplites wearing greaves but generally no thigh armor, but they also carried a giant shield that generally covered the thighs. You have larger blood vessels in your proximal limb segments than in the distal segments, so wounds there would carry a greater risk of bleeding out. Plus, a wound that disables the proximal segment will disable the distal segment anyway. Lastly, because of leverage, the same weight farther out on a limb will be felt more than that weight closer to the shoulder/hip.
actually its like saying how planes fly they are too heavy lol. its not about weight but i guess how we can protect their wings would be a question
I swear i would love to explain to you the physiology and biology of my made up OC species and see how you would make armor for them
What if you had a harpy like character who actually had wings instead of arms as well as tail feathers that helped them sort of turn when flying?
Been thinking about it for shapshifters. So. The arms shift into wings,then how do I make them wear armor or cloth for fashion/protection?
Little piercings. Make small holes on the arm skin and maybe hip so you can pass chords through; that way you can attach some leather, fabric and even jewelry without obstructing the growth and shrinking of leather and feather wings.
Now, SIZE, is an entirely different matter XD
I'd swap the protection importance if the upper and lower legs, as your thigh contains your femoral artery that can ciause you to die from blood loss in minutes if cut
Angel with wing is my most likeable character. But sadly lot of game don put them. My first crush is averyn from mtg before she became evil
I wouldn't actually recommend using bows for winged people since you need to use your back muscles to pull a bow and shooting downwards with a bow is hell.
A sling on even throwing knives would probably be better because gravity can speed up the projectiles.
The thigh should be a lot more protected, It bleeds the most
they could also just drop weighted spiked down, why draw an arrow when gravity does the trick for you
you’d want to cover the upper arms and legs before the lower arms and legs. Both have massive arteries that could cause a bleed out in seconds. Femoral artery go brrr
This might be a little unrelated in terms of fantasy but there's this webtoon that I've been obsessed with that's sorta WW2 coded with humans that can turn into beastmen(humanoid animals but noy purely animalistic). Since it takes place in a WW2 setting their uniforms are a bit more modern.
For winged creatures, the Federvolks, they would have slits on the back of their uniform for their wings and the bottom part of their jacket would be like one of those coat tails so their feathered tails could spread apart.
The designs took importance of the human form and the certain body parts that would incorporate the animal side of them (in beast form their heads take form fo the animal (including teeth, tusks, horns etc etc) and its tail)
All helmets differed too especially for horned beastmen or the reptilians.
As far as I know for them a fish/water creature beastman is a legend or fairytale
The comic is "On A Leash" just so you know
Leather with overlapping slits? Like how pockets work, the pannel in the middle covers the gap between it and the sides so theres a bit of protection?
Angels plz
interesting. now i'm thinking about armors for a knight riding a pegasus 🤔 can't be too heavy. and the pegasus need armors too.
You have to keep in mind that flying soldiers will have stronger wings than your average member of that species. A random fairy may not be able to carry an extra 75 lbs, but a mercenary? A fairy that’s battle ready? They’ve definitely beefed their wings up.
As an fyi birds are less dense than mammals (most mammals are roughly as dense as water, give of take a bit) whereas birds range from 0.6-0.9% as dense as water. The more time birds spend in flight the less dense they tend to be. Which is why eagles are so light considering they’re pretty freaking big. Plus the bigger the bird (capable if sustained flight) the less dense it has to be. So a bird with the same body volume as a human would likely be about half as heavy. So a 180lbs human soldier would be equivalent to a 90lbs avian race soldier. Eagles can only fly for short periods carrying 30% of their body weight and generally can only carry 10-20% for long distances. Meaning armour couldn’t exceed 20lbs for a individual roughly the size of a human. And they couldn’t carry weapons.
Edit: Tldr bird men wouldn’t wear armour. They would dedicate all of their weight carrying capacity to ammunition, and they wouldn’t use a bow and arrow either. They would use flechettes (or just f-ing rocks lol) fly up well above the range of terrestrial races projectiles and just drop them and let gravity do all the work. They would probably also engage in battles much like how orcas, wolves, and ancient humans (most likely) hunt large game. That they would split into three or more teams. Then have one team actively harry the opponent by dropping projectiles on them, while one is back at camp recovering, and the third replenish their weapons and travels back to relieve the active team. This way the they are always fully equipped and rested but the opponent is slowly being depleted. If they existed irl they would be nearly impossible to take on militarily due to this. Much like in game of thrones universe dragons were just so overwhelming that no one could resist the dragon lords, at least not for long.
I think we missed out on something that many other channels don't. There is quantity of damage and there likely damage. I'll give an example.
As humans we stand on the ground on 2 legs, our arms are on our upper body. And our legs to some degree are kinda fast. Meaning even though you can die to a leg injury as a possible 30 second death having someone reaching a leg blow could be considered as more dificult than the same prosses but for the head, our arms and travel of damage would be more efficient for such trades so a helm some shoulder padding and a good chest peace maybe all we need as likely hood of hit my depict.
Now for an avian race how do they attack? They may use there feet for example more because it requires less from the now farther away arms. And if your diving into an attack it almost makes more sense to have battle trousers and bladed boots than a chest plat.
What about fairies? Most fairies are depicted as being tiny with very delicate wings. At that point, because they are so small, would it matter to give them armor? Like, if Tinkerbell were to want to fight Captain Hook, would having armor make a difference? If so, what would it look like? Sorry if that's a weirdly specific question. This video just made it pop into my head
There’s no reason for fliers to use bows. They can just drop items from high up and it would have the same or greater penetrating power.
For armour vs weight, leather would be the practical answer. Say, a leather breastplate with just X straps on the back.
The larger question is how much does the flying person have to worry about temperature.
But if magic is involved at all, mithril chainmail, enchanted with a permanent featherfall. Light as leather, flexible as mail, and built in parachute.
What's your hair routine?
Can you do armor for fantasy characters in undertale (except maybe mettaton, undyne and Nabstablook)
Damn it they gave us a new one tile shower
Now I HAVE to get it
What if the character had gigantic wings? As in extremely oversized. Could they fly with standard armor in that case?
Dungeon Meshi armor?
I MEAN I THINK YOUR NECK IS PRETTY IMPORTANT BUT-
So what you’re saying is, birdkini armour?
What about armor for a humanoid with a tail and ears on their head? The only reason I am asking this is because I am making a high fantasy video game with cat folk.
You should rate Elden ring dlc armor
Bbg you gotta rate Elden ring character armor
Youve done yourself a disservice. Now i will draw angels in thay skimpy armor and the single covered breast-plate with complete justification. : P ( I won't but i could)
No hate, but aiming is way harder in the air and dodging is a little different than on the ground so I don't think they should just stick to bows and range attacks.
Hold up, on that least-important map you made isnt it a bit strange to consider the thighs and upper arms the leadt important when theyre the parts that connect to the arms/hands, legs/feet? Plus, i swear if you you have a pretty nice artery in the thigh thatd be pretty important to keep safe
I feel since your legs would likely be hanging down when flying, the closer parts to the enemy would be the more likely to get hit or grappled, which is why I figured boots would be more beneficial! This would be especially true if you were flying barely above your enemies, or not too far away from them.
@@dejatwo ahhh, I get that, my assumption was more like these characters wearing the armour were having air to air fights instead of air to ground. This makes more sense😌
What's your opinion on sanguinius with his armor? ik is kinda sci-fi but I think it's something that's worth a look.
How would you protect their wings from arrows or the occasional spear or sword if they get too close? Can't imagine chainmail would be a good idea for it's mass but maybe we'll placed leather armor just along the top of the wings idk
how come the shoulders and thighs are less important than forearms and calves.. last i checked there’s a couple veins that with one slice leads to pretty much instant death
DAME AYLIN FROM BG3!!!!
Hey Deja, I'm curious, and it does play into the "how realistically good is this getup".
Which pokemon player character wears the best clothes for traveling as a trainer?
I have a question. Can a mercy dagger stab through chainmail? And is there any way to prevent or minimalize the chance of being stabbed by a mercy dagger?
OMG, I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. okay so, there is a species in Destiny called the Eliksni they have two sets of arms, what would be good functional armor for them?
Would giants go for heavy armour along their feet and legs while wearing lighter armour up top?