@@ericmalanowski5547 Seriously!! , Aurelian did all the hard work, fought with the barbarians, brought all the lost territories back, but still doesn't get much recognition :( He doesn't even have his ceramic bust ...
Meanwhile, the ghost of Aurelian is like: "Oh sure Blue, give *all* the credit for Rome surviving the crisis of the third century to Diocletian! It's not like they called me the *Restorer of the World* or anything." I'm kidding, it was a great video. Obviously, some things get skipped over.
The Restitutor Orbis is magnanimous, and appreciates a historian passionately and excitedly describing the history of his beloved empire. Purple may be the color of the emperor, but Blue is not far off at all.
FUN FACT: It is often proposed and debated by academics that this is what Diocletian wanted, people to forget Aurelian existed and claim his victories for himself
@@pergys6991 Majorian had fewer resources than his predecessors yet he managed to reconquer much of hispania and gaul from the Visigoths, Franks and Burgundians. He was betrayed by his own countrymen for his unpopular policies which benefited the Western empire but reduced the power and wealth of the aristocrats so they decided to have him killed. The mistake he made was trusting his own countrymen so much that he disbanded his army while on the way back to ravenna. He was captured and executed by ricimer with the support of the senate.
The history of Byzantium will of course be much easier to cover. It's not like their name is literally a synonym for "insidiously entangled beyond comprehension." ... oh, wait.
Yeah. Sad no love for him and all other mostly Dalmatian generals who pretty much held Rome together through the entire crisis. They ended to be the competent ones amidst that entire shitshow of a century.
That just changes them from being an ancient, world spanning conspiracy which has just brought about the apocalypse to an ancient, Pan-European conspiracy which previously basically brought about a localised apocalypse. It’s a Change in scale, yes, but it still looks rather poor for them doesn’t it.
It's kind of invariable. Any civilization that takes upwards of a year to communicate between its border extremities is going to contract until its area becomes more manageable, not matter how wise its leadership is.
LordRadical I would say thier leadership wasn't to wise as with a trend like theye were going through, a wise man would refuse the throne in favor of a longer life
@@tyberostheredwake8098 I disagree, I think the decline of a civilization is inevitable, but this isn't necessarily because the borders were too large. the roman empire was split to provinces to solve this issue.
Thank you, Blue. Because of this video, I am now hospitalized due to choking on my own laughter. I’ll send you the hospital bill later. ... also, keep up the good work, you make history worth listening too.
The most telling part about how weak the Western Roman Empire was is that it technically never fell. The last ruler was told to shove it when Odoacer rolled into Ravenna, and no one else could take it up again. Julianus tried, bless him, but the second Persia came knocking form the other side of the actual Roman Empire it immediately fell apart because they were comically overstretched by this point.
If you're covering the Byzantines, I hope you do a funny part on the Byzantine Silk Heist, a really funny but also super important moment of history when a few monks accidentally discovered how to make silk when overseas and smuggled silkworms back to the Empire, and revolutionized the economy for 6 centuries
The Rome also got sacked because it had been mistreating its "barbarian" neighbors, and the Visigoths inparticular were kinda starving, so they figured "Screw it! We'll either plunder Rome or die trying!" And lo and behold, they actually succeeded, in part because the Roman army and become so decentralized and undisciplined by then.
the first part is really, but not the second. The wisigoth never won against Rome since Adrinople. They constantly lost their battle against Stilicon. The roman army was certainly not what is was under Augustus or Trajan, but it was still an horrifying adversary for the barbarians who feared any clash against them. The battle of Polentia, Verona and many others tend to prove the exact contrary of what you are saying. And at the death of Stilicon Alaric, king of the wisigoths, burned Rome without facing any army.
Meanwhile, the ghost of Aurelian is like: "Oh sure Blue, give all the credit for Rome surviving the crisis of the third century to Diocletian! It's not like they called me the Restorer of the World or anything." I'm kidding, it was a great video. Obviously, some things get skipped over.
Rome has been sacked Those who were responsible for sacking Rome have now been sacked. The sackers who sacked the sackers who sacked Rome have now also been sacked.
The History of Rome in Seven Sackings book Blue mentioned at the end is really fun, I used to talk about it with the author's mother (who was the really lovely Judith Kerr, the author of The Tiger Who Came to Tea) before she passed away last month. She was a regular customer in the bookshop where I work, it was nice discussing Rome with her.
@@OverlySarcasticProductions omg thank you Blue I never expected you to see this (I was that random fan you met in London, it's great to talk to you again) - Don
Well, it’d be more accurate to say he (allegedly) dies from massive internal bleeding caused by poison, one of the symptoms of which is intense bleeding from the nose.
Lol I read some conspiracy theories saying that Rome let itself fall because if the world was culturally homogenous, there would not be technological advancement, so some "Powerful Roman figures" let Rome be conquered.
Human history has so much conquests, So much betrayal, So much Intricacy, That it makes Game of Thrones look like a Dr Seuss publication. Credit goes to Oversimplified’s video the 3 kingdoms.
@@vonfaustien3957 The general quote is from Oversimplified's 3 Kingdoms video. As Blue has mentioned the period I don't think I need to lecture you on it.
I remember the History of Rome podcast came to a similar conclusion: the question everyone asks is "why did Rome fall," when instead the question should probably be "how the heck didn't it fall sooner?" The number of times the republic and empire were facing oblivion, only for a capable leader to come in and pull it back from the brink, is a crazy millennium-long streak of luck.
@@samtemdo8 That and if you get into Numenor, well...You've got to get into the LOTR and the Silmarillion. And that, my good sirs would be one very long video or series.
Red: talks fast Blue: talks slow Balanced as all things should be. Imo you both speak fine, good content albeit not as sarcastic as the name implies :p
“This is about the time that you would hope for a strong Diocletian or Constantine type emperor to show up and turn things around right?” Well... Majorian certainly tried his best. And then Ricimer killed him for doing too well.
"Next video will be about the city of Hong Kong." Me, having just passed immigration at HK International Airport and walking to the luggage carousel: "Heh, I'll say."
Atilla: "NOTHING'S GONNA STOP ME FROM CONQUERING ROME!" Leo: Hey, Atilla. Want money? Attila: Much obliged. I will leave your empire alone. Now if you'll excuse me, I got a wedding to attend!
It’s very good, but I think you could have gone into more detail on the reasoning of the barbarians. For example the rampage of the Visigoths which seems almost entirely motivated by Roman mistreatment. There is a whole story to be told of many people continuously abused that carved out a home for themselves from the empire that abused them for centuries. But still very much enjoyed the video.
*grumble, grumble. Forcing me to defend the Tetrarchy. grumble, grumble* The Tetrarchy isn't perfect, but it was a system designed to solve a specific problem: all those coups and assassinations. The reason is simple. The more power you have the more enemies you have. If you share some of that power you also share the enemies and reduce the coup attempts and actually get some work done around here. The little Caesars (junior partners) have an incentive to keep you nice and safe and your senior partner can care the load/blame in running the state. It wasn't perfect, but it was trying to address a big problem in ruling an empire. That's all I got to say.
There are 6 dates 470: legitamate Western Empire falls 476: illegitimate Western Rome falls 1453: Eastern Rome falls 1470: fall of Theodoro splinter of Eastern Rome 1806: Holy Rome falls 1917: Third Rome falls
@@cameronsaulnier6006 it was when Czar Nicholas II abdicated and was later murdered. The early Czars had multiple marriages to the Byzantine royals, and styled themselves as the "Third Rome", though few people took them seriously.
The Vandal sack of Rome was actually brilliant done by the genius of their King Gaiseric, and not as brutal as most people were told they mostly just said they wouldn't kill everyone if they were let in, they were and then stole everything and only killed those trying to stop them from stealing.
2:34 frigging jumpscared by the Barbarians. On a more serious note, there's a reason Rome fell. Centuries of less-than-competent people in charge, inflation, the invasions, and civil unrest took their toll. Also they should've taken a note from Venice and stuck with one system of government and maybe they'd still be around today.
Blissfully, Rome hadn’t been important since before Diocletian and practically abandoned after, so the whole sacking thing didn’t matter THAT much. The real power split was Milan/Ravenna and Constantinople. That said, loved the video and I understand that you don’t have all the time in the world, love you blue. Mwah.
Thank you thank you thank so much for stressing, underlying, and highlighting that the "barbarians" were not invaders. This little bit from Roman history gets so politicized and so exaggerated for so many stupid reasons. They were fleeing a very lethal invasion and possibly climate change with hopes of getting support from their allies, not because "ooga booga me hate shiny white cities." The first wave of Germanic tribes were long-standing allies of Rome. They were not entering a strange land with strange laws: it's probably fair to say that they were intimately familiar with the Roman legal system, knew Latin, and might've even intermarried a bit on forts and towns near their border. Since they protected Rome for so many generations, it wasn't unfair or unreasonable for them to request some kind of protection themselves....and when Rome wouldn't or couldn't uphold their side, the only choice left was to raid and sack, especially since know from primary sources that the Roman legions were not kind to these tribes i.e. forcing them to sell their children to slavery in return for dog food to eat.
The western empire became the Catholic Church: 1) it was the pope who rode out to meet Attila, not the emporer 2) the Pope's title was pontifix Maximus 3) the pope claimed Dominion over all kings, just as the emporer claimed authority over all client kingdoms, 4) the Church owned 1/3rd of all land, 5) the church provided nearly all social services and kept nearly all records
@@luarn9176 Yeah your right I didn't say fundamentalists because I've seen people say the bible is never wrong but aren't fundamentalists I'm also confused
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal All people who say that are fundamentalists to a certain extent. Trust me. Well, unless they mean it's never wrong because it's just philosophy, not a scientifical explanation of everything ever. In which case, philosophy is subjective, thus, it cannot be right or wrong.
@@luarn9176 while I agree the bible is just weird and stupid and I very doubt that anyone has an explanation for any of the contradictions in the Bible
"The collapse of Roman civilization is brought to you by audible"
That is one impactful company.
I didn’t even know they were around back then
H H I was to busy listening to my audio book to notice Rome collapsing outside my window
@@H20No -Of course audible was big, hardly anyone could read then.
Capitalism smh
Aha
U fools
Die romans
It was your all your fault
Bye bye
Losers
Eeeeeeee
You know who they needed to unite the Eastern and Western Empires? The expert in uniting East and West. That's right. _David Hasselhoff._
Honestly thought you were going to say Josep Broz Tito.
Stop appearing everywhere
"Ya done good Hasslehoff ya done goo-"
**Empire splits again**
How are you everywhere!!!!!!!
Jellal
All of this could have been avoided if Blue just said Autumn.
Blue is American. They prefer Fall than Autumn.
@@redfaldas7524 that really isn't true America is rather big so certain areas use the term but not all of America.
don't be ridiculous, that would just lead to a warring states period
Red Faldas Nope, I actually quite enjoy saying the word autumn. Some of us say fall, some of us say autumn.
ITS CALLED FALL CAUSE LEAF FALL DOWN.
Blue: shows snow in Rome
Me, a Roman: Impossible
*laughs in Firenze*
Laughs in Indonesia
omg I just realized people born in Rome can say Civis Romanus Sum that's cool
"the fall of the Roman Empire is brought to you by audible! "
god damn so all the theories were wrong it was audible all along
Capitalism smh
@@yonatanbeer3475 Nooo! it's those crazy Christians and conspiracy-driven Hebrews aka. the new guys , Jewish.
Jeff bezos did it I was right all along
@@Mythteller מה
@@terner1234 go speak your daedric somewhere else, Elf
emperor diocletian pulled a Thanos and just wanted to watch the sun rise on a grateful empire......and then farm
Lolcow Chronicler George Washington
Reminds me of Sulla.
Aurelian: Yeah he totally did all the work... totally
@@ericmalanowski5547 Seriously!! , Aurelian did all the hard work, fought with the barbarians, brought all the lost territories back, but still doesn't get much recognition :( He doesn't even have his ceramic bust ...
"If you could see the cabbages I was growing back in my farm, you too would give up the pursuit of worldly power"
- Diocletian, cabbage farmer
Winter, spring, summer, faaaaaa....
OMG I laughed WAY too hard at that.
Me too.
i gave the vid a like just for that XD
Now I got the song from Avatar stuck in my head...
Same dude same
Between that and the tape advert haha
Meanwhile, the ghost of Aurelian is like: "Oh sure Blue, give *all* the credit for Rome surviving the crisis of the third century to Diocletian! It's not like they called me the *Restorer of the World* or anything."
I'm kidding, it was a great video. Obviously, some things get skipped over.
The Restitutor Orbis is magnanimous, and appreciates a historian passionately and excitedly describing the history of his beloved empire. Purple may be the color of the emperor, but Blue is not far off at all.
Horribly skipped
Galianus: bro you wouldn't have had an empire to save if I didn't ducttape it.
And aurelians meritocratic policies let the people like diocletian,probus, constinus chrorus to high places
FUN FACT: It is often proposed and debated by academics that this is what Diocletian wanted, people to forget Aurelian existed and claim his victories for himself
A rather important emperor was left unmentioned: Aurelian. He brought the empire back together before the reign of Diocletian.
Not to mention he helped pave the way for monotheism with his worship of sol invictus
Yep, hard to sum everything up in short video I imagine, but really key person in history.
Another important dude, Majorian. Guy was the last chance western Rome had
@@pergys6991 And as per usual, he got killed before he could properly fix the western part of the Empire.
@@pergys6991 Majorian had fewer resources than his predecessors yet he managed to reconquer much of hispania and gaul from the Visigoths, Franks and Burgundians. He was betrayed by his own countrymen for his unpopular policies which benefited the Western empire but reduced the power and wealth of the aristocrats so they decided to have him killed. The mistake he made was trusting his own countrymen so much that he disbanded his army while on the way back to ravenna. He was captured and executed by ricimer with the support of the senate.
The history of Byzantium will of course be much easier to cover. It's not like their name is literally a synonym for "insidiously entangled beyond comprehension."
... oh, wait.
Empire, what did you expect?
Mostly due to Frankish viewpoints but eh
Rome: *Help I've fallen and I cant get up*
Everyone: **suprised pikachu face**
Byzantines: Should've gotten life alert
This is why I love life 😂
Too soon
Nate F not soon enough
@@meatvortexgaming7134 that burn was worse than Neros ;)
When Diocletian retired to the farm I can only imagine his parting words were: “I’ll finally rest, and watch the sun rise on a grateful empire.”
I clicked so fast, the east and west empires were still together
Oof
When we're they still together when you clicked? 1600 years ago please make it more clear this doesn't make sense now
Last time I was this early, Rome was still ruled by a king.
Super A you’re the type of person no one wants to invite anywhere because you kill the fun
Nice bro
I can't believe he skipped over the role Aurelian had in saving rome from the crises of the third century :(
Praise the restitutor orbis!
Yeah. Sad no love for him and all other mostly Dalmatian generals who pretty much held Rome together through the entire crisis. They ended to be the competent ones amidst that entire shitshow of a century.
He recently made a whole video on the topic
Blue: The collapse of Rome and civilisation was brought to you by audible
Me: wait What?
_hmm_
The collapse of *Roman* civilization. This is what I get for not enunciating
-B
@@OverlySarcasticProductions I'm more concerned with Audible destroying an entire civilization
@@aclassicguardsman946 Yeah fuck them
That just changes them from being an ancient, world spanning conspiracy which has just brought about the apocalypse to an ancient, Pan-European conspiracy which previously basically brought about a localised apocalypse. It’s a Change in scale, yes, but it still looks rather poor for them doesn’t it.
Rome: lETS GET DOWN TO BUSINESS TO DEFEAT THE HUNS
The Huns: Don't even think it.
Rome: nEVER MIND-
+
Meggo My Eggo
Rome: *actually beats the huns at chalons like a boss*
The Huns: was going to invade but the boss getting married!
Rome: phew
DID THEY SEND ME DAUGHTERS WHEN I ASKED FOR SONS
@@BeepBoop173 You're the saddest bunch I've ever met, but bet before we're through, mister I'll make a man out of you
Imagine a Roman-Chinese alliance to take down the Hunnic Empire.
Rome: *makes reforms to put itself back together*
Also Rome: *disintegrates slowly*
It's kind of invariable. Any civilization that takes upwards of a year to communicate between its border extremities is going to contract until its area becomes more manageable, not matter how wise its leadership is.
@@tyberostheredwake8098 Reminds me of Bill Wurtz's amazing History of the World video where he's like, "China is whole again. Now it's broke again."
LordRadical I would say thier leadership wasn't to wise as with a trend like theye were going through, a wise man would refuse the throne in favor of a longer life
@@tyberostheredwake8098 I disagree, I think the decline of a civilization is inevitable, but this isn't necessarily because the borders were too large. the roman empire was split to provinces to solve this issue.
"Ostrogoths, visigoths, lots of goths..."
Cue goth party meme in my head...
*Christians:* [breathes]
*Nero:* _I'm about to end this man's whole career._
[Angry Constantine noises]
Christians after Nero dies: HA!
*Rome:* Wait. Thats illegal.
Hey it friendship
#Nerodidnothingwrong
“The collapse of Roman civilization brought to you by audible”
Audible is now officially a gothic tribe
Just clicked the video. Don't expect Blue to get through it without breaking down.
Got popcorn.
EDIT: he bore through it with memes
Flex Tape: So powerful, it can keep a historian's emotions together as he discusses the fall of Rome.
Thank you, Blue. Because of this video, I am now hospitalized due to choking on my own laughter. I’ll send you the hospital bill later.
... also, keep up the good work, you make history worth listening too.
The most telling part about how weak the Western Roman Empire was is that it technically never fell. The last ruler was told to shove it when Odoacer rolled into Ravenna, and no one else could take it up again.
Julianus tried, bless him, but the second Persia came knocking form the other side of the actual Roman Empire it immediately fell apart because they were comically overstretched by this point.
Rome: *Falls to savage barbarian tribes*
Me: "They blew it up! Gods damn you! Damn you all to Tartarus!"
Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.
You know this better than anyone else my piece of the Emperor
Of course my lord. Also can we smile while we purge?
Ey what you doing here emps don't you have Choas spawn to annoy?
Do you mean the empire or the sackings?
If you're covering the Byzantines, I hope you do a funny part on the Byzantine Silk Heist, a really funny but also super important moment of history when a few monks accidentally discovered how to make silk when overseas and smuggled silkworms back to the Empire, and revolutionized the economy for 6 centuries
The Rome also got sacked because it had been mistreating its "barbarian" neighbors, and the Visigoths inparticular were kinda starving, so they figured "Screw it! We'll either plunder Rome or die trying!"
And lo and behold, they actually succeeded, in part because the Roman army and become so decentralized and undisciplined by then.
the first part is really, but not the second. The wisigoth never won against Rome since Adrinople. They constantly lost their battle against Stilicon. The roman army was certainly not what is was under Augustus or Trajan, but it was still an horrifying adversary for the barbarians who feared any clash against them. The battle of Polentia, Verona and many others tend to prove the exact contrary of what you are saying. And at the death of Stilicon Alaric, king of the wisigoths, burned Rome without facing any army.
Meanwhile, the ghost of Aurelian is like: "Oh sure Blue, give all the credit for Rome surviving the crisis of the third century to Diocletian! It's not like they called me the Restorer of the World or anything."
I'm kidding, it was a great video. Obviously, some things get skipped over.
I'm pissed blue didn't even MENTION Aurelian, considering he was literally the RESTORER of THE WORLD.
I'll go pray to Sol now if you don't mind
The fall of rome could have been prevented if they kept their shoelaces tied.
Or if they'd paid attention to where they were going instead of listening to Audible.
Rome has been sacked
Those who were responsible for sacking Rome have now been sacked.
The sackers who sacked the sackers who sacked Rome have now also been sacked.
and bitten by a Møøse
This is obviously a reference to something, but I have no idea what
@@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 Monty Python
@@TheNN Ah okay
I am a simple boy.
I see a new Overly Sarcastic Productions video...
I click.
Oh my god this is like the sixtieth time ive heard this terrible joke please stop.
I am a simple girl.
I see a overused joke
I punch the person who said it
This is a meme
Im a simple boy. A see a meme. I agree with it. I press like.
How one of the most big, advanced and greatest empires in history pulled a Titanic
I think its worse than that. At least Titanic only had a single commanding officer. Rome's leadership seamed to be a revolving door of leaders.
you know what they say, the bigger they are...
Please do the myth of Persephone please! Also I really love your videos and keep the good work up!
I believe they already, kinda covered it throughout multiple videos.
@@chaostia66t25 Red's covered Pandora, but she's never really gone in-depth on Persephone. I'd like to see that too.
Red covered it in underworld myths, iirc.
(spoiler: It's just the descent of ishtar remixed)
@@maggiemcgonnell6754 well I wanna see it fully like what they did with Io
@@spoiledbeandip2129 I do too. I'm not disagreeing with you, just providing a little context for others.
"hopped the wall in gaul to accelerate rome's fall" is so good
Dude, you gotta talk about the Varangian Guard, it’s the most awesome thing ever!
based
Ah those Romans
"the collapse of the Roman civilization is brought to you by Audible"
AH HA! So it was Audible that caused the fall of Rome!
Capitalism smh
The History of Rome in Seven Sackings book Blue mentioned at the end is really fun, I used to talk about it with the author's mother (who was the really lovely Judith Kerr, the author of The Tiger Who Came to Tea) before she passed away last month. She was a regular customer in the bookshop where I work, it was nice discussing Rome with her.
That's so sweet :) I'm glad you were able to have that experience with her. Sorry to hear about her passing.
-B
@@OverlySarcasticProductions omg thank you Blue I never expected you to see this (I was that random fan you met in London, it's great to talk to you again) - Don
The AC Brotherhood soundtrack is appreciated.
Hannibal after the battle of cannae
"THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE"
Alphaghost27 HOW BOUT A LITTLE MORE
@@gargoyles9999 *EURGGHH*
When I was younger, I frequently had bloody noses. When I heard that Attila the Hun (allegedly) died of a bloody nose, I freaked out.
Well, it’d be more accurate to say he (allegedly) dies from massive internal bleeding caused by poison, one of the symptoms of which is intense bleeding from the nose.
*The Roman Empire fell*
because they got tired of playing Chess with the world
Question is: Who flipped the table?
@@ariesdemiurge The Vandals.
@@Thumbsupurbum I say the damn Romans themselves
Lol I read some conspiracy theories saying that Rome let itself fall because if the world was culturally homogenous, there would not be technological advancement, so some "Powerful Roman figures" let Rome be conquered.
Also Audible destroyed Rome? Ok, Jeff Bezos is time traveller confirmed.
Well he has the money,
Human history has so much conquests, So much betrayal, So much Intricacy, That it makes Game of Thrones look like a Dr Seuss publication.
Credit goes to Oversimplified’s video the 3 kingdoms.
Wrong continent and wrong century.
@@artofthepossible7329
Entirely correct concept though, which is the point.
Got thrones was based off a real succession crisis.
@@vonfaustien3957 The general quote is from Oversimplified's 3 Kingdoms video. As Blue has mentioned the period I don't think I need to lecture you on it.
@@festethephule7553 See? He gets it.
The fall of Rome is brought to you by audible, even Hannibal approves!
Everything must fall, even....
Glorious Rome.
*sheads a tear*
Next episode, OSPlays Total War Attila!
_(sounds of Blue screaming as the Western Empire collapses)_
There's even a handy guide to help them.
th-cam.com/video/ZN0vysCzu24/w-d-xo.html
Another idea: OSPlays Rome Total War original!
(*red and blue simultaneously screaming in the vague direction of Egypt*)
You know, I'm oddly satisfied that I can say where the word "Vandalism" comes from.
How I wish this was made during the time when I was studying Rome in school for social studies.
what OSPodcast is evolving?
It evolved into *full history video*
All roads lead to Rome....country roads take me Rome
I remember the History of Rome podcast came to a similar conclusion: the question everyone asks is "why did Rome fall," when instead the question should probably be "how the heck didn't it fall sooner?" The number of times the republic and empire were facing oblivion, only for a capable leader to come in and pull it back from the brink, is a crazy millennium-long streak of luck.
Phil Swift in the background
[Many people liked that]
2:30, 8:30
Last time I was this early the Library of Alexandria was still around
I wanna see Red do the Fall of Numenor.
In many ways it is a retelling of the fall of Rome. Just we know it was Sauron doing it :)
@@RibonFox Less Rome and more Atlantis.
@@samtemdo8 That and if you get into Numenor, well...You've got to get into the LOTR and the Silmarillion. And that, my good sirs would be one very long video or series.
@@morgant.dulaman8733 It could be a series like Journey to the West.
The Fall of Gondolin is a somewhat more interesting story IMO, though a lot more obscure even to LOTR fans being a First Age event.
“And you’d hope for a Diocletian or Constantine like emperor to rule the west but NOPE”
Majorian: *am I a joke to you*
Aetius: *raging Markiplier*
Stilicho: *intense eye twitching*
How to start the Fall of Rome (for dummies)
Step 1) Wait until Autumn.
When you’re so early you don’t know what to say.
Relatable
Matarael, Angel of Rain
Um.. good, I think...
I once visited Rome, the temple of Saturn was great to see. And the fountain was amazing!
Red: talks fast
Blue: talks slow
Balanced as all things should be.
Imo you both speak fine, good content albeit not as sarcastic as the name implies :p
“This is about the time that you would hope for a strong Diocletian or Constantine type emperor to show up and turn things around right?”
Well... Majorian certainly tried his best. And then Ricimer killed him for doing too well.
"Next video will be about the city of Hong Kong."
Me, having just passed immigration at HK International Airport and walking to the luggage carousel: "Heh, I'll say."
You want history? YOU’RE GETTING MEMES
Barbarians see fragmenting Roman Empire:
Barbarians: "It's free real estate!"
Loved the video, you guys always make my day 😁
ROME: An empire that went from "Bite the pillow, baby! I'm going in dry!" to "Oh, you too? (Sigh!) Fine, I'll get the lube." in a few hundred years.
Ouch...
@@SonsOfLorgar Do you mind going easy when doing the sacking? The last time left a burning sensation for quite some time around the capital region.
Atilla: "NOTHING'S GONNA STOP ME FROM CONQUERING ROME!"
Leo: Hey, Atilla. Want money?
Attila: Much obliged. I will leave your empire alone. Now if you'll excuse me, I got a wedding to attend!
Then promptly dies of over drinking, over partying, nosebleed, and a heart attack while inside a teenaged girl.
When the Barbs be like, this building. It's too big! We can't destroy it! AHHHHHH!!!
It’s very good, but I think you could have gone into more detail on the reasoning of the barbarians. For example the rampage of the Visigoths which seems almost entirely motivated by Roman mistreatment. There is a whole story to be told of many people continuously abused that carved out a home for themselves from the empire that abused them for centuries.
But still very much enjoyed the video.
*grumble, grumble. Forcing me to defend the Tetrarchy. grumble, grumble*
The Tetrarchy isn't perfect, but it was a system designed to solve a specific problem: all those coups and assassinations. The reason is simple. The more power you have the more enemies you have. If you share some of that power you also share the enemies and reduce the coup attempts and actually get some work done around here. The little Caesars (junior partners) have an incentive to keep you nice and safe and your senior partner can care the load/blame in running the state. It wasn't perfect, but it was trying to address a big problem in ruling an empire.
That's all I got to say.
There are 6 dates
470: legitamate Western Empire falls
476: illegitimate Western Rome falls
1453: Eastern Rome falls
1470: fall of Theodoro splinter of Eastern Rome
1806: Holy Rome falls
1917: Third Rome falls
what happened to Constantinople in 1911?
1945. Don't forget that year.
@@cameronsaulnier6006 it was when Czar Nicholas II abdicated and was later murdered. The early Czars had multiple marriages to the Byzantine royals, and styled themselves as the "Third Rome", though few people took them seriously.
@SucamelotuttominchionedelKaiser GuymanGuy thank you. I forgot about Julius Nepos and didn't know some people consider Theodoro as a holdout
@@paulwagner688 1945 doesn't count. No "empire" claimants, only dictators with "republican" titles
Wait, wasn't Commodus strangling naked in the bath by his wrestling partner narcissus? Not stabbed in the Colosseum by Russel Crowe?
Correct you are. That was lazy and misleading word choice on my part.
-B
The Vandal sack of Rome was actually brilliant done by the genius of their King Gaiseric, and not as brutal as most people were told they mostly just said they wouldn't kill everyone if they were let in, they were and then stole everything and only killed those trying to stop them from stealing.
Be careful Rome, because...fall is coming.
That was a game of thrones reference by the way.
Hey, you're a pretentious smartass.
That was an insult, by the way.
2:34 frigging jumpscared by the Barbarians.
On a more serious note, there's a reason Rome fell. Centuries of less-than-competent people in charge, inflation, the invasions, and civil unrest took their toll.
Also they should've taken a note from Venice and stuck with one system of government and maybe they'd still be around today.
9:30 well whenever someone who could’ve pulled a Constantine or Diocletian got ricimered.
**cough**cough** Majorian **cough**
@@deltafighter3986 Yeah, that one still gets me.
"No, stupid, it was Constantine with the christianity in 312!" *Cuts to an old man beating a legionnaire with a cross*
Everyone not Roman: *snaps*
Rome: *disintegrates*
Blissfully, Rome hadn’t been important since before Diocletian and practically abandoned after, so the whole sacking thing didn’t matter THAT much. The real power split was Milan/Ravenna and Constantinople. That said, loved the video and I understand that you don’t have all the time in the world, love you blue. Mwah.
Is it fair to call the Byzantine Empire "Diet Rome"?
Why?
@@Raximus3000 Just for the taste of it.
@@stein1919
It did hurt far less that the roman one, lol.
Just one calorie...
@@Raximus3000 Because it's Rome...but not as Roman. ;)
Rome is the zombie of empires. You always think it is dead, and always bounce's back.
until 1453 that is
@@saminyasar2765 El duce want's to have a talk with you
@@comradekoupetorska4253 Before or after 1945?
Blue: *So Rome did what it does best*
Me: Collapsed
Getting its emperor killed by the praetorian army
The fall of the empire was 1453. Not Rome. The city fell earlier. (Idk when.)
476
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Most underrated Emperor Aurelian
Most overrated Diocletian
Nah, I agree with the former but disagree with the latter
What I learned from this is that even Europe went through a goth phase.
0:10
So the amazons caused Rome to fall?
So Constantine connected the Sun God with the Son of God? Not my pun.
+victor hoang last time I checked Constantine still battled with the mammon, son of satan(!)
8:12 Did blue just use the word knackered?
OSW fan confirmed?
What's OSW
@@OddballKitten Three Irish lads that talk about wrassling, the fed, dub-see-dub and sports entertainment.
Also they rereview movies sometimes.
@@GreatgoatonFire oh cool
Atleast in England it's a common word.
@@tomasvrabec1845 Really? I'll be honest I watch a fair number of UK YT channels and by far the Oh Es Dub lads use it the most by far.
Who’s watching this after the Byzantine empire fell?
Edit: if this doesn’t get at least a couple billion likes I’m suing the world for lying
11:50 Did you just imply that the Eastern Roman Empire was not the Roman Empire?
Typical classicist..
Shut your greekoid ass up
No, he pretty much acknowledged it as a continuation in his Byzantine videos.
The Roman Empire fell when it was conquered by Justinian.
@@tompatterson1548 Uh no.
You can't be Roman if you don't have Rome.
Personally I'm in the 1475 camp. Trebizond hey-oh!
Thank you thank you thank so much for stressing, underlying, and highlighting that the "barbarians" were not invaders. This little bit from Roman history gets so politicized and so exaggerated for so many stupid reasons. They were fleeing a very lethal invasion and possibly climate change with hopes of getting support from their allies, not because "ooga booga me hate shiny white cities."
The first wave of Germanic tribes were long-standing allies of Rome. They were not entering a strange land with strange laws: it's probably fair to say that they were intimately familiar with the Roman legal system, knew Latin, and might've even intermarried a bit on forts and towns near their border. Since they protected Rome for so many generations, it wasn't unfair or unreasonable for them to request some kind of protection themselves....and when Rome wouldn't or couldn't uphold their side, the only choice left was to raid and sack, especially since know from primary sources that the Roman legions were not kind to these tribes i.e. forcing them to sell their children to slavery in return for dog food to eat.
Controversial Opinion:
Gladiator was good.
Joaquin Phoenix as Commodus nearly ruins it.
The western empire became the Catholic Church: 1) it was the pope who rode out to meet Attila, not the emporer 2) the Pope's title was pontifix Maximus 3) the pope claimed Dominion over all kings, just as the emporer claimed authority over all client kingdoms, 4) the Church owned 1/3rd of all land, 5) the church provided nearly all social services and kept nearly all records
Kyle Sweeney that’s interesting. I guess Rome evolved from an empire to a decentralized religious-based State.
Did you really just discuss the crisis of the third century and completely ignore Aurelian?? Bruh.
I thought the gauls brought the fall of rome, turns out it was audible
Smh didnt even mention Aurelian
Some Christian in 100ad :The bible says that Rome will never fall and it's always right
Modern day Christians: the bible is never wrong
Modern day fundamentalists*
@@luarn9176 Yeah your right I didn't say fundamentalists because I've seen people say the bible is never wrong but aren't fundamentalists
I'm also confused
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal All people who say that are fundamentalists to a certain extent. Trust me.
Well, unless they mean it's never wrong because it's just philosophy, not a scientifical explanation of everything ever. In which case, philosophy is subjective, thus, it cannot be right or wrong.
@@luarn9176 while I agree the bible is just weird and stupid and I very doubt that anyone has an explanation for any of the contradictions in the Bible
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal It's philosophy. It's not stupid or smart, it just is. It's all subjective.
Doesn’t mention Aurelian.... he’s the one who brought the rebellions under control
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