THE WORLD ENDS WITH YOU (Zero Punctuation)
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This week, Yahtzee tempts fate and risks insanity by reviewing a JRPG.
Fast-talking Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw reviews a new game each week in this animated series that combines informed critique with cutting humor. Watch the next episode of Zero Punctuation a week early, only on The Escapist.
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remember guys, he doesn't hate EVERY jrpg. just most of them.
neosaneo2 Not Dark Souls
*****
Everything in it except the knights and stuff is japanese
*****
How is Dark Souls not a linear story
*****
Alright I agree
+neosaneo2 The vast majority of them.
It's odd when this is one of his more positive reviews.
Shit. this is POSITIVE!?
Btw, yes, play this game. it's awesome and fun.
but holy shit what does his bad ones look like?
Well in this review there was neither talk about self-mutilation nor mutilation of the games producers, not even calling them clinically retarded, it was indeed a very positive review.
Tracks Darren take a look at Kane and Lynch 2
too human is a fun one. honestly i think his overall summary is pretty good, if you like the japanese style storytelling (abstract and absurd in the sense of 'wow this is way different from something that would happen in america') with a focus on story, it has an interesting aesthetic, unique, if slightly awkward on occation combat style and i personally found it quite interesting.
better summary: it's an original concept that is far from a masterpiece, but if you can get a handle on the combat it is at least worth playing
PSSSH! Silly game, 'The World' ends with 'd' not 'u'!
+The One and Only Michael McCormick no the world ends with ME!
I thoroughly wish I hadn't found this amusing
Tom Ramirez Wryyyyyyy.
actually it should be i, since the japanese word for 'world' is sekai
Well, that doesn't exactly apply either, because the Japanese title for the game is "It's a wonderful world"
*searches for 'Psycho Billy Freakout on Expert'*
*nods and applauds Yahtzee*
links?
I'm actually pleasantly surprised. This was a pretty positive review by Yahtzee standards.
Not really
Yeah, almost as positive as the review he gave for Shenmue 3, Mindjack and Sonic Boom. In other words, he had NOTHING GOOD TO SAY about this game and anybody who thinks the same as you are all in the running for the gold medal of trying too hard.
@@ChristophBrinkmann He said it's worth checking out
that's high praise from him
I actually loved the story in TWEWY, it was one of the best parts of playing the game for me.
"Yahtzee, reviewing a JRPG? Perhaps I shall quickly look outside to make sure the sky's not falling and the seas are not running red with blood."
Oh, Zero Punctation humor...
* pauses, then jumps out the window
D MAS LOL ANGST ANGST ANGST ANGST ANGST GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE! TING! TING! TING! NATTER NATTER NATTER NATTER GLARB GLARB GLARB GLARB GLARB!
This is the first JRPG that made me read their every dialogues and story for once
yup same here, so much nostalgia in this game for me, just thought I'd mention that for no reason
Teddy Riggs ikr after I played this the first time, when replaying it i realised just how much dialogue there actually is lol great story and concept as far as im concerned
you cant have an iron fence made of tigers
He didn't say that there were real tigers made of fur ans teeth and things...
not with that attitude, you can't!
Challenge Accepted
i accept your challenge
Have you tried yet?
I work as a librarian (voluntarily), my idea of fun is making spreadsheets of MUGEN battles I watch the CPU have (chalking up stats like wins, losses, win streaks and even making tournaments) and I love JRPGs.
Am I weird? Are those things not supposed to be fun?
You should be an accountant.
Calvin Clark My mom's an accountant.
Did you just diss yourself? >.>
Fuji Huynh No?
Azure Kite My comment was made almost a month ago from my area. I live in California, 'Nited States of 'Murica.
The world ends with steamroller.
(Yes, it was)
Roooada roolllar
wryyyy
You were expecting a JOJO reference
I really want Yahtzee to play 'Zero Escape: 999' or 'Zero Escape: Virtue's last reward' but I know he doesn't like playing those anime style games. I really love the franchise and he will criticise the hell out of it; but I still want him to play it just to see what his opinion of it is and the things he will pick on in the video.
DarkSol heck I criticized the hell out of it and I still love it LOL
***** Just wondering, what's the first?
You critiqued my favorite DS game ever. Although I have points that I vastly differ on with you, you did review the game and even said that it is worth checking out for the type of gamers who enjoy this style of gaming. That is far more than I can ask for from most critics. Thank you.
I would not react like it was the apocalypse if Yahtzee reviewed a JRPG. I would however if he really LIKED a JRPG.
Penta Deuce One word: Earthbound
(also FFVI, but he never did a full review of that one)
Brandon Fedie What's Earthbound?
Penta Deuce A SNES JRPG Yahtzee did a review for. It's the game Ness from Super Smash Bros is from. He liked it.
He also mentioned that he likes Chrono Trigger in the I Am Setsuna review.
We just have to wait for Legends of Kris to come out
I have the distinct feeling Yahtzee isn't familiar with the Shin Megami Tensei series. Granted, a few of the games in that series also have the same problems he has with JRPGs (Devil Summoner sub series), but most have interesting stories and make sure the main character doesn't feel like a complete idiot.
It's still the exact same issue he has with JRPG's in general the narrative has little to nothing to do with the actual gameplay and is simply a means to the end.
Not to mention that the only tensei game so far that hasn't been a ridiculous slog through grind town or at least making it a semi enjoyable one was persona 4, I still love the series but a good story does not a good game make.
@@justincanu9153 L you had to grind in a megaten game Mega L
HE DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THE SOUNDTRACK!!!! HOW COULD HE!!!!!
L Pendergast You don't know Yathzee do you
i would like to refer you too the MGRR review just be glad he didn't look at this soundtrack
But the soundtrack is fucking beast in Twewy!
so was the soundtrack in MGRR xD
When the entire game is made out of incredibly think JRPG clichés with people jumping onto swords the moment someone looks at them funny, the soundtrack just turns to white noise. Especially since Squeenix's combat mechanics are all too flashy nowadays.
I had meant to work on a assignment due for Saturday, but I've spent the last three hours watching ZP videos and eating peanut M&Ms.
The game is brilliant. I don't normally do JPRG's but it has got me interested.
>bias on games with stories
>shits on a game about expanding horizons
Someone ignored the message of the game and only tried to experience it one way.
+Cool
>doesn't realize this channel's purpose is to be taking the piss
>...
>must be feeling really dumb right about now
Schleicherfreund oh I do, but it does on the wrong shit instead of games the deserve it
Cool
Where's the fun in that?
In going all out on a shitty game?
***** there's quite a bit wrong with the game, but he mentioned almost no valid points and pretty much all of what he talks about is completely aginst the game's message
Wait so "No more heroes" as a song is too obvious but "The end of the world" is still ok.
regarding the 104 building thing- (hit more for spoilers)
at that time, neku was partnerless and incapable of fighting any enemies. He knew many players gathered by the statue of the dog (whatever its name is), and went there to find one. if the player had that option, he would probably go to 104, get ambushed by reapers, and killed, as joshua would not be there.
And that's a mistake a game shouldn't be afraid to let you make. There's no harm in allowing your player to do something stupid at their own free will. Especially if the only consequence is death followed by respawn.
***** And then Yahtzee would have complained about the game being ambiguous about what the hell it was doing letting him run around committing suicide by accident more often than a WoW player forgetting to eat real food instead of raiding like a nazi in a george lucas film.
Pretty much. Yahtzee, while he is entertaining to watch bash unobjectionably bad games/ the ones I subjectively dislike, is annoying in that he is pretty much forced to find faults in decent games. but yeah, opinions
Random Default I'm not really concerned with Yahtzee bashing it. That's why I watch, whether I like the game or not.
From a purely game design perspective, I imagine having enemies the player can't defeat without the partner is better than having an arbitrary barrier they can't get past without the partner. Both serve essentially the same purpose, but the first lets the player learn for themselves. Given, death is bound to happen with that, but death is par for the course in video games. Then again, I'm not a game designer. I also might have a different opinion if I'd played the game before, I suppose.
By the way, I like your analogy.
***** death is to be expected in video games, but that is by enemies you can actually defeat or when it is story driven. When you use death as a barrier to point you in another direction it becomes pointless. I would rather have the invisible wall to rage against than die arbitrarily just because I felt like exploring i.e S.T.A.L.K.E.R and the near invisible radiation pockets filled with death, disease and Miley Cyrus. And thanks on the analogy, been channeling my inner Yahtzee the last couple of days and find it cathartic lol
Somebody get this man a copy of Final Fantasy Tactics.
If he didn't like TWEWY I don't think there's any hope.
***** thats the joke
...hey. have you checked out zero escape.?
lol no i wasn't expecting one. I was just drawing attention to myself to attract attention for the actual series
+khdayskh1314 another zero escape lover!
One of my favorite games this one is. I loved it!
The switching between characters was great.
twewy is the best DS game I've played
I agree
Yeah it was definitely the best RPG on the ds. And the Chrono Trigger remake. On the 3DS I'd add Bravely Default/Second. Basically anything that's not FF.
Damn. Glad I never got a DS then.
"now in his mid twenties"
im 30 next year and have been watching ZP since the beginning, so that made me feel really old
Had to rewatch this again.
I love the sensor box at 2:01
Jesus christ. Yatzhee, not only are you a fantastic game critic you appear to be a guitar hero GOD.
its funny how everything he said this video applies to persona 5, yet he likes it.
This is a review from 2011, people can change quite a lot in a decade
He now reviewed Persona 5 strykers, everything he said about fans in the Hyrule Warriors review happened as he is now a fan, the world is indeed very strange
Persona 5 just has that magical quality I suppose. I don’t like hyrule warriors at all either and really enjoyed p5s.
I don't know but the top left visual novel at 1:57 is called "OMGWTFOTL" and it's a piece of art that takes about 5 minutes to complete.
Thank you so much! I had played that an eternity ago and forgotten the name. I've been trying to remember the name and then you came along. Thank you so fucking much.
SWITCH PORT HYPE
you know i would want Yahtzee to play a Persona game but i already know what he'll say for fucks sake its the game series that invented the kids killing god with friendship trope literally look at persona 3's ending
The Easily Bored Gamer Hmm.... Persona invented kids killing god with friendship trope? I wonder if you're talking about Shin Megami Tensei; the main series.
i never played much of the main series
Just reading that reminded me of the upcoming Persona 5, now I'm giddy.
He references the Persona series in his Cathrine review
Well you sort of got your wish lol
Akira, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, Code Geass, Steins Gate, Durarara, Baccano. The list goes on.
Minus points for not using David Bowie's "Fashion" as the intro.
I know the reason why a JRPG would guide you through the answer instead of letting you figure it out. Because if Japanese games revolved around actually having to figure things out we'd never be able to get past the intro video and they'd already be playing with the game's code before we got that far.
lol sure thing bro
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The fun part is that this review made me interested in the game and that 70 + 34 is the only time that something like this happens except when they nudge you in the general direction when they need to explain a new mechanic and the cutscene had the purpose to indroduce your new partner. The protagonist didn't figure it out because he was busy finding him to avoid death! And the game wants you to hate your new partner as much as the protagonist does so he starts by solving the easiest riddle ever and giving you the answer like he thinks he's a genius. And his power is basically math so he had to do one useful thing. The story isn't that bad if you ignore the protagonists looking like the usual teenage band. And I feel like the target audience ARE teenagers anyway. If you don't like it it's fine I was just wondering why no one explained that 104 part since it's basically the only bad thing he said about the story when it was actually one of the points that worked better with getting the right reaction.
Obligatory "This game is awesome fuck you"
Anyway some actual counterpoints:
The 104 clue was SUPPOSED to make you hate Joshua. Judging by the picture at 1:50, the game nailed it. Also, about not being able to go straight there? Every single mission has been structured as 1. Figure out destination 2. Find out there's a wall in the way 3. Clear wall 4. Repeat as necessary. That's exactly what happened here, so I'm not sure why this one in particular pissed you off. Oh wait, because Joshua is an ass. Mystery solved.
Ok, so, about interactive storytelling as a concept:
Video games being interactive doesn't preclude them from telling stories that aren't interactive. A lot of books could have easily been a movie instead, and a lot of books did become movies. It's the same idea; it could work in any medium, but they chose to make it a video game because why not. They never intended for you to BE Neku. You're just along for the ride, like a movie.
TWEWY actually makes good use of it's game-iness. Yeah, trends didn't change much in practice, but it helped drive home the point that it's not good to ignore society. You could either ditch your individuality and become what the people like, or you could stand your ground and make the people like who you already are (the game implies this one is what you're "supposed" to do; it doesn't WANT you to be a fashion victim). Either way, it's good to be accepted by others. The gameplay and story have a connection, it's just not in your face about it.
...wait a sec, VNs love meaningful dialogue choices, ie interactive storytelling. Why do you hate VNs?
The controls are a little weird to get used to, I'll give you that. Once you figure out how the game reads inputs, then it's pretty easy to draw circles consistently.
The dual screen combat? You're supposed to focus on the puck. That's it. That's the trick. And the CPU is terrible at getting fusion stars.
You just didn't understand the brand system. Clothes and pins change the trends, but the only things affected by trends are offensive pins. No strategy guide needed.
The characters are pretty darn original, except for Neku, who gets WAY better development than most emo JRPG protags.
The dialogue is really well written, and aged surprisingly well considering it was supposed to be modern 10 whole years ago. Another Day is the epitome of humor.
TWEWY is literally the best game I've ever played, and my favorite genre is JRPGs. You can hate JRPGs, but don't you dare say that they're objectively bad. Not that you actually did, but you presented your thoughts on JRPGs as fact rather than opinion. Yes, I'm aware that there's pretty much zero chance that he'll actually read this.
Spreadsheets ARE awesome.
Ok, by looking at your comment, I have noticed three problems with it. One, considering yahtzee never even once mentioned Joshua during his 104 tangent, then I would say the game failed at making him hate joshua. Two, games, movies, and books, are not interchangeable. If characters in a movie talk like they would in a book, then some people are going to find that to be unnatural and forced; similarly, if a game ( a medium that was originally intended for people to be the main character)acts more like a movie, then some people are going to be annoyed since they didn't want a movie, they wanted a video game. Third, the point of these videos is to present his opion as fact for comedic effect, So pointed that out is like saying water is wet.
Kye Dysarthria 1. He never mentioned anything about the plot after the synopsis, so who knows? I’m gonna reiterate that the path to 104 was blocked in-universe and needing to take another path to meet Joshua opened the path for the characters instead of just being arbitrary “you gotta do things in the right order to progress”. It was also one of the more confusing/complicated moments in the story, since you were *supposed* to have just won the Reapers’ Game, but are starting over for some reason. I donno, the 104 scene was just a really weird bit to pick to complain about when the hint was more of a way to lead the player to other plot stuff as opposed to being important in and of itself.
2. I’ll never understand why people like blank-slate self-insert type protagonists over actual developed characters. I’m gonna use Persona 4 as my first example, because I *hated* playing as that game’s protag. He got barely any characterization, but everything he did get was so unlike me that it made it impossible for me to relate to him or imprint myself onto him, and I also couldn’t understand him well enough to act like I was him. Cue the anime adaptation, which gave him a fully fleshed-out personality and character arc, and made him one of my favorite characters in the series. (He keeps his personality and status as a fav in the spinoffs, so this isn’t about anime vs game, this is about blank-slate vs development)
Tales of the Abyss also had a hateable protag, but that was on purpose, and design went into making sure the player was pissed off that *this idiot douchebag* was the character they had to control. It made for amazing character development.
Neku’s antisocial and kind of a prick at the start of TWEWY, but he’s smart and snarky enough to ironically be pretty charismatic when he’s a character instead of a person, and the snarkiness that makes him likeable from the outside never goes away, even after his character development.
My dad played through the Uncharted series a while back, and they were basically playable movies. By the end of the series, he’d gotten decent at them and thought it was really cool that he got to “participate” in the story, but at the beginning, he was constantly fighting the controls and would’ve had a much better experience just watching a playthrough. The gameplay was an *addition* to the experience, not a vital part of it, and if the gameplay is unenjoyable enough, it could’ve been scrapped *to the benefit of the experience*. Uncharted didn’t do any fancy video game stuff, it just happened to be a video game.
So I guess what I’m saying is: Yes, it matters what type of media you make your story, but things can (usually) be adjusted to make it work in other mediums. (The “usually” is in regards to shit like undertale that have such absurd use of gameplay-story-integration that any adaptation that loses that stuff is going to be inferior). You don’t go into a movie theater expecting it to tell a story that can only be told in movie form.
3. I haven’t seen any of his other videos, I don’t even usually watch reviews. I just saw that it was TWEWY and only 4 minutes long. Still thought it was worth pointing out.
This video marks the second time that the song "It's the end of the world as we know it" was used in Zero Punctuation.
Great song choice for the end, wish he still did that.
You should review bravery default. It's a jrpg with a pervert and an engaging story line.
Tim Streker best description I've heard of the game
Tim Streker "You see, there are these four crystals..." Yep. Totally good story. I played the game and enjoyed it be the story sucks balls. Humor was pretty good. If portal was a 5 and Kid Icarus Uprising was a 4 then BD is a 3 with humor.
Austen Redd Oh man if humor was only subjective and not some Universal constant that is clearly defined and unanimously agreed upon... If only.
Tim Streker
That's just my person rating. i don't remember saying at any point in my life that I am the pinnacle critic of comedy. I'm saying that if this is a game worth trying but not for the story, that's it.
Tim Streker I found it pretty boring to be honest. As much as it was relatively fun for a while, my grinding tendencies (
Introverts don't dislike having friends. They just prefer to have deep, meaningful one-on-one conversations rather than big noisy parties with a huge and exhausting group. They value close friendships just as much as anyone.
Just replying to remind you of this cringe
@@deiz1083 he's right though
The trick with the dual screen combat in this game is to follow the green energy puck back and forth to keep building up your power. If the puck is on the top screen, focus up there for a moment, and vice versa. It's actually pretty cool.
I loved this game so much I spent dozens of extra hours grinding and levelling up and trying to find all of the pins.
The whole concept of The Reaper's Game and the overall story are very unique and I enjoyed it immensely. Pretty much my favourite DS game of all time.
I think he got through to Week 2, so not far enough to get to the "Taboo" Noise that will stick a rusty spark in your eye sockets if you haven't learned effective "puck-passing" by that point. Personally, I enjoyed the characters and story, with the combat becoming rather fun after getting the hang of it and learning the combos I liked. Most of the pins took some getting used to, and the allies all had a good amount of differences that kept you on your toes.
I will say that the most broken pin combination was "Me Time is Free Time" and any Massive Hit pin. Not to mention the Wolf pin, which pretty much weaponized your dodge move. Overall, I really liked the game, but Yahtzee's gripes are legitimate ones and I can understand why they got him aggravated.
The HP Stream commercial made me want a soda making machine.
Negative reviews are garbage! Crunch! Add em to the heap!
Mabel Pines In yahtzee standarts this is really positive.
I shouldn't watch game reviews that I love. cause I agree'd but disagreed with him some.
Just so you know, the visual novel on the upper left at 2:00 is called OMGWTFOTL.
This has nothing to do with anything, but I noticed how one of the merit badges shown around 2:32 was the Basket Weaving badge because that was one of three merit badges I earned before I dropped out of Boy Scouts from sheer boredom.
This game is now a anime and the sequel is coming out in a few months I wonder if Yahtzee is going to review of the sequel
Yahtzee, I honestly don't get you sometimes. you say you hate the modern war shooters because there is often no real story, no characters get development, and each character is essentially a copy paste of each other, but when it comes to JRPGs, you hate them for the opposite reason, the story is complex, characters change, and sometimes you get a critical choice that inflicts the story.
look, I get the final fantasy 13 trilogy was complete and utter bullshit, I won't argue on its behalf. but you can't just wipe off an entire genre.
look how bout you review a game down by Atlus, whether it be a Shin Megami Tensei game or Persona (thought I think you would enjoy and SMT game more) those guys are the true masters of JRPGs
odinofanime I don't think Yahtzee hates JRPGs for the exact opposite reason that he hates modern war shooters. In fact, he does mention in the video that he hates JRPGS because the characters are too similar(at least in the JRPGs he has played) and he has to do too much reading.
theyoutubecommentepidemic well, that doesn't really make sense to me. in a games he loves (Darksouls and Bloodborn) the only way to get the story is by checking out item descriptions, which means a shit ton of reading. plus the characters in TWEWY are all different, each one has distinct personality and look about them. also, and this is the final thing, he constantly keeps giving Modern War Shooters a chance, just because of Spec Ops the Line, but he rarely ever does JRPGs, just because of the annoying and stupidity that is modern Square Enix. I find that bad, that he won't do reviews of any other JRPGs from any other companies.
Well, I'm sorry. That does seem a bit biased.
odinofanime On a personal level, I hate JRPGs for turn-based combat (I'd rather base my fighting results on how knowledgeable I am about the process, how well I can aim and land attacks, etc. Not about how large certain numbers are) and because stuff like grinding is completely par-for-the-course and acceptable.
Now, if a JRPG didn't have those, it just wouldn't be a JRPG anymore.
Zapsie Grinding is a bitch, I will agree with you. but for JRPGs, strategy is needed. games like Etrian Odyssey, Devil Survivor, and Conception (though Conception is more of a joke honestly) you won't live if you don't strategist. shooters, riddle them with enough bullets, headshots kill, action/adventure, mash the buttons until they are dead, platformers, jump here, then there, fighting games there can be very complex strategies in these games, I know that, but most of the time it just boils down to button mashing.
what is that game box he some times brings up when talks about how strange japan is?
You forgot the fact that you have to digest the food you eat (also one of the few Jrpgs that involve the characters actually eating)
I was looking for reviews of neo and ended up here
Anyone else find it ironic that the guy who is biased toward JRPGs is critiquing a game that's about broadening one's horizons?
Patrick Sullivan it doesn't expand it's own horizons from the terrible jrpgs
He described it half in a nightmare, half in an anime. Finding it hard to find which if worse.
Perfect choice for an end song.
I have come from the future to tell y'all that this game is getting an anime.
This fails to mention the story which is the main focus of jrpgs. The story is really well written and it has some really great messages about understanding and believing in yourself.
What a twist!
i love the choice of music
";_; TWEWY is amazing. and just so you know, it assumes you didn't know that the 104 was supposed to be the 104 building."
Considering that the only skill you need to figure out this "puzzle" is the ability to add, that's a pretty dumb assumption. Not to mention the fact that it outright gives the solution away. What's the point in even having a puzzle if the solution is told for you point blank?
If you liked the game, then great. But don't try to minimize a perfectly justifiable criticism by making excuses for it.
he couldnt mention the soundtrack because he couldnt admit to himself he loved it its ok yahtzee we might not mock you over it
Proof or it didn't happen.
Outro song is awesome.
Love the ending song :D lol
JRPG is a dead genre anyway, the only ones that come out anymore are either over the top anime (coming from an otaku..), to creative or archaic for there own good or visual novels with light gameplay.
Western-made Japanese style RPGs are quite fun though, as they know what made JRPGs so much fun in the 90s-early 2000s (just a story with a fairly complex battle system). This sucks for me cause I can not stand how western RPGs handle, the stat system in them always makes me annoyed that i'm building my character right, and ruins feeling of role-playing cause I feel I have to optimize everything >.>.
Another issue i've had with JRPGs as of late, is they always drag in the middle areas, I only seem to enjoy myself towards the end of them.
"Coming from an Otaku"
*Weeaboo
Like i said, up above,
A j-rpg fan wants to be immersed in a carefully crafted world, characters, and history, which isnt really easy or even posible with "choices" just to cater that kind of guy. He is right to say that we just want a beautiful novel mixed with videogames.
A w-rpg fan (or just one that hates J-rpg), doesnt want a history presented to him, and can even accept shallow and empty characters for the sake of his freedom. They want a playground to become and do whatever they want.
Basically to diferent mindsets. One wants to enjoy what the creator made for him. The other claims the creator to make him a setup to "create" in it
tumamaencosplay
It's funny because your description of JRPGs summed up good WRPGs, and your description of WRPGs summed up most JRPGs (shitty ones.)
Then we certainly haven't been playing the same games.
J-RPG tend to be lienar and fake freedom because they try to focus on the story and ALL that fantasy stuff that makes it look cool
W-RPG focus more on what you can DO in them, rather than what you expectate.
Thing is, the more real option you give,the less time you can spend on character development and little details of the world, becuase they have to PRODUCE lots of gameplay interactions and thats not cheap at all.
Take it like this, you make a game where X companion can be killed definetely at any time given, this means you cant make this character a neuralgic part of the plot for the sake of "freedom". If this applies to every char, you get left with little thing to do with your characters on a large scale.
At best, a J-rpg like that can do is go the Fire emblem way, anyone can die but at least if you keep them alive you can get to make them have "non-important" chats between each other and get char dev.
Meanwhile W-RPG jsut tend to say "fuck important companions, you GO SOLO" and the only companions you get are either generic mercenaries, over powered to make them inmortal because plot, or just simply appear briefly from time to time, in order to "plot shield" without destoying the ilussion of choice..
tumamaencosplay
I do agree with you on a lot of those points. But the best games are ones with story-important characters that can be perma-killed.
You... what? This is the first review of this guy I've seen, but... just what?
So, he thinks these kinds of games are bad because of a lack of choice? I need to see what kind of freaking FPSs he's into, because I can't remember many of those with elaborate choicemaking.
No, he said "If you're going to make the same JRPG that's always being made, give it an obtuse combat system, and make the player sit through a graphic novel, then the LEAST you can do it make the player's choices matter."
Javelin09 He's basically saying the game is bad because he personally doesn't like the style.
***** There is a ton of customization in regards to character layout. You guys are thinking more in terms of story choices. RPGs can have one, the other, or both. No version is better than any other.
***** Doesn't care for FPS?
From how he acts, that seems incorrect.
Also, have to agree with Brian. Your idea of what an RPG is isn't wrong, but it isn't complete either.
***** Welp, that's you, suntea. Not everyone shares that opinion.
I believe he talked a bit about it in his review of Cathrine. Where he said "They're games about being stuck in a nightmare dream world in the night, and in the day your stuck in a high school romance anime, and I can't tell which was the more nightmarish."
Thank you for exactly writing my thoughts
I have to disagree with you on this one, Ben. :x
odd every time i see the thumbnail i think "WTF was that about again?" this is the third time i watched this video. and not because i like it.
I loled at the first line XD
Seems strange that his complaints about the storytelling in this are some of the reasons he praises the storytelling in Dark Souls.
Yeah, no.
Soul's storytelling is more immersion style, you forge your story and tale of death and persistentence within a world doesn't care about you that much.
That's the exact opposite of what JRPGS tend to go for, where the stories are usually pre-defined from beginning to end.
The story of the game is too zetta slow.
you know the game is good when it's a jrpg and Yahtzee don't hate it
This gets my like just because the intro uses a Giles, Giles, and Fripp song.
You.....didn't beat the game did you 😶
+Rathalos Well I'd guess no. Why should he? That game sounds like shit to me.
+Melon Sherbert Keep in mind that Yahtzee is a cynical, sarcastic, closed-minded twat and most criticisms he makes should be taken with the mountain of salt he had behind him at the beginning of this video.
Tico The Nicaea Navigator Well, me and him share a hatred for JRPGs.
+Rathalos That's... Kind of why he's entertaining.
+Melon Sherbert so has me
I'm with Yahtzee on Visual Novels. They're pointless bullshit
Ace Attorney.....
Raysiclove
Could've easy just been an anime
or a manga
SpikeJet2736
bad example, many visual novels are made infinitely better by being in the video game genre, by virtue of having multiple choices, like telltale games' games, or rpgs. a good example would be 999 or better yet its sequel virtues last reward, which uses branching storylines as a basic plot element(parralel worldds0 and does it infinitely better than bioshock infinite(pun not intended). Its not a coincidence that the two I mentioned are often heralded as the pest stories of their respective years of release, or even in general. Text based exposition coupled with the addition of music as an atmosphere tuner and most importantly, player interactivity truly makes for a one in a lifetime experience
Lazar Mladenoski I can listen to music while reading a book, too. Multiple path ways, yes something that REAL video games can easily do and are even better because you as the player actually take part in the choices you made instead of just watching them play out. If you're going to go through the trouble of making a digital game and have a crew of people work on it, make an actual fucking game, otherwise don't waste your time and effort and just make a comic book instead. It's the same thing with motion comics, why would I want to spend 20 or 30 dollars just to watch Rorschach's arm slightly move. Okay if they're really old like Snatcher or on an handheld system, fine that's excusable but what I can't fucking stand is when they decided to put these things on PC when PC is capable of so much more
SpikeJet2736 Sometimes I think you guyes look too much into what is and what is not a game. Lets put it this way put a disc in you gaming console and start it up. THen do this strp by step
Put the controller down
Ask yourself if the screen moving on without you.
If answer is no then congrats your playing a video game.
WAIT A SEC, I just watched this for the billionth time, and... Is that a OMGWTFOTL screenshot at 1:59?
Well, that explains a lot about Yahtzee.
The credits song was in the tabula rasa video
"Oh no, Yahtzee made fun of anime and my waifu games, how dare he have different opinions and tastes than me! Every person should like games about watching still images of 12 year old girls with big breasts make sex noises as they talk!" I kind of get this feeling that all weeaboos are really insecure about the culture they love so much that they have to defend even the slightest negative remark towards it. It's like they know deep, down inside how fucking creepy and cringey all anime and anime games are but they don't want to accept it.
+Begg Baws
honestly i see way more people trying to insult anime fans than weaboos trying to defend anime. i haven't heard of this game before, and i think this video is hilarious, but i just found your logic baffling.
+Charles wang true that
+Begg Baws
gotta agree with Charles here, i see more people like you jumping the 'hate to be popular in the comments' bandwagon than i see of people actually taking this 'review' all that negatively.
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Also doesnt help that in most these conversations i've seen more people instantly jumping to the 'you must be a weaboo if you dont agree with my negative remarks' which basically makes comments like yours hilariously hypocritical.
+Begg Baws To be fair, I'm not terribly fond of visual novels, because I feel like they cheapen the experience of actually interacting with people. But I do like anime because a.) I like the art style, and b.) even if a lot of characters are similar in temperament, mangakas can still manage to tell good stories with them. To me, reading the majority of anime is a lot like eating junk food. TWEWY is not in that category, mostly because it appeals to my weirdass sensibilities, is challenging, has a cool and really fun battle system,, and a pretty good story, even if the main character is mostly 'Generic Angsty Stereotype A'. I also thought this video was funny, however, because I like Yahtzee's videos. So. Yeah. I don't think the anime community as a whole is creepy and cringey. I'm willing to admit some of it is, but this isn't.
+Begg Baws wow, haven't had such a good chuckle from a youtube comment in a long time. you're not the most open-minded of individuals, are you? I won't go much into anime here as this is a video about games, the only thing I am going to say is that there is some fucked up anime and manga out there and I'm fully aware of that, but I don't watch/read that shit as I'm not in it for that but for the unique ways an animated movie/series can portray things real-life movies/series simply can't without spending insane amounts of money, which makes for more diversity in story telling.
about anime games and JRPGs: I absolutely agree that visual novels are weird, but then again I don't really consider them games but rather a mixture of comics, audiobooks and interactive story telling. when it comes to actual JRPGs such as "the world ends with you" it really depends on the game itself. Like, if a game has only mediocre gameplay but a captivating story, an example would be chrono trigger, it might entertain me just as much as a game with stellar gameplay but a lacking, by the numbers story, my example here being pokemon. Hence, the pinacle of JRPGs for me personally are the dragon quest series, the kingdom hearts series (minus CoM) and the dark souls series as those games manage to have both gameplay and story at an incredibly high standard. And if you look into these games (except maybe pokemon as its literally about enslaving animals) you'll see that none of them contain any of these typical cringey anime tropes. Okay, dragon quest VIII has 1-2 suggestive attacks with a female character, but that character isn't designed to look like a minor.
Yahtzee: “I like when story and gameplay work together and go hand and hand.”
Also Yahtzee: “I didn’t like the part of combat that is obviously symbolic of how the main character struggles to work with others”
I love you Yahtzee but some of these older reviews are a bit silly.
To avoid further misunderstanding, I'll translate: He focuses on the good, but acknowledges the existence of the bad.
What are the games between 1:55 and 2:00?
This is quite possibly one of the most ignorant takes on this game I have ever seen. I realize this was made years ago and this will likely never be read, however it pained me to listen to this review.
It seems as though you have the wrong perspective on this game and genre as a whole. I understand that JRPG's aren't for everyone, and that the gameplay loop can be frustrating or confusing to many. However, it seems as though you only read through half of the dialpgue the game presented, I'm not sure as to whether or not it's simply due to wanting to play the game rather than read cutscenes, however you did parce enough to get a bare minimum of where your general direction is to be.
For example the beginning of part 2 of the game, spoilers by the way, but while Neku does get the clue for the Game Master of what the day's objective is, the previous week hammered into his skull just how much having and trusting a partner is vital to his survival. And right after getting the daily clue he concludes that he should go to the Hachiko statue where he met Shiki to find a partner.
That's where the second partner comes in and the game makes you absolutely despise him, he talks down to Neku as well as forcing him to be his partner with no consent. The game wants you to hate this dpuchebag and be extremely suspicious of him and his actions moving forward. However you chalked this up to simply "the game is patronizing me and forcing me to sit through boring cutscenes" instead of attempting to interact with the game in the slightest, to see eye to eye with it for one moment.
The entire game is centered around it's own story devices and themes, having two playable characters with completely different play styles on two different screens is incredibly tough. It's supposed to be. The game is about an introverted douchebag rehabilitating himself and trying to give other people a shot, and so making it tough to balance the two characters who can't see eachother and need to trust that they're doing their work plays into this.
All in all, this video gets quite a lot of information, basic information about the game, characters, even story incorrect. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, as I have only seen you Dragon Quest 11 video previously and found it to be just as offensive in terms of getting information wrong. I'm all well and fine for a more negative take on one of my favorite games, however I do want there to be accurate information and thought into what the game is attempting. But oh well, my rant is over.
I mentioned this in another video's comments section, but Yahtzee should try SMT Nocturne. Or The Dark Spire
fantassssstic opening song!
Right back at ya.
And just now, I notice that he acknowledges the fact that he's used the song twice in the end of the video. Dammit. Iunno how I missed that, I had always read all of 'em. >.>
They should put in the box of this game's sequel (If there will ever be one). "A JRPG that wasn't brutally Criticized by Yahtzee Croshaw"
Stepped on a landmine in a trendy clothes shop lol.
@CelanSnipers I think it kinda made it easier to take advantage of the type of attacks, taps for shiki, shock wave for josh, press for beat. It allows for easy cross combos.
How do you make a wrought iron fence out of tigers? I really want to see that.
I like how the end song is TEOTWAWKI and that's what we all are thinking seeing as the is a JRPG. xD
Where? I want to know
I love this video, but the reason why in the 104 situation you had to go meet Joshua is because it would be impossible to fight noise, thus move on, without first making a bond. Otherwise, pretty good points.
This video raises a very important question, why isn't there a Cookie Monster game?
2:55 Yay, I'm not the only one that can do that. It's nice to know that I am not the only person that spends a lot of time playing that game, nobody I actually know plays it a lot.
How many JRPGs have you played?
Exactly what are the properties of wallpaper paste? We in America have painted our houses since the '70's, so wallpaper paste isn't something that you find a lot, yet I've heard a lot of people from countries that have the English flag on their flag talk about it.
***** If you look carefully, you'll notice that's not what I asked. Congrats on your budding career as a politician, though.
Wallpaper paste is what you would get if ky jelly and wood glue absconded for a weekend and came back with a love child.
***** You guys sound a lot like Yahtzee, you might want to stop watching Zero Punctuation for a while...
***** Nope, I'm British and you're writing like yahtzee would speak. That guy is right. He's not confused.
***** No you can't predict what Yahtzee will say or is currently saying at this point, but that's not what I was saying at all. You can use the same words, sentence structuring style and humour as he does though.
You just named all of my favorite games lol.