Really enjoyed this video. Great job explaining and going over all the differences. Your love, experience, and expertise in this model really shows here.. and the advantages of having both ap1 and ap2 in the garage really gives you the credibility. Keep it up and really cheering for you to get bigger and more presence on TH-cam... you deserve it.
@@TheSlipAngle *laughs in 2021 dollars for what people pay for the S2000 lol. I was lucky enough to buy mine back for what I sold it in 2015 for if you account for inflation
I know at this point this is a dated video; however, you did fantastic job reviewing the AP2 and describing how it compares to the AP1. I had a AP2 10 years ago and and had a number of cars since then, including a Porsche 911. Nothing has come close to the driving experience of the S2000. New cars are faster and more capable, but the S2000 gives the driver a sense of theater that few other cars can match at any price point. I’ve come full circle and think I need another S2000. Keep up the good work.
Yes I agree I love the raw simple driver feeling of the s2000, probably the last real drivers car THEY SO EXPENSIVE THOUGH DAMN DRIVERS CAR TAX Great vid as always quinn
When you sit in this car and pull out of the driveway it feels so unique. The body is rigid and the cockpit is small, clean and driver focused. Very cool car.
This is my favorite S2000 video by far . I have watched a dozen times. Super accurate description of what that car is and isn't. The aggressive driving portions are sublime and you Stupid deep Lingo is awesome. I have been lusting for one for 20 years now. I am finally in a good place in my life where I could buy one so I DID! I am picking it up in a few days and I still cant believe I am going to get my DREAM CAR. I cant wait to drive it but also cant wait to see it parked in my garage next to my 1989 CRX SI that I have owned for 20 years. I now own 2 out of 3 of my favorite Honda's . Nsx I ll see you soon .. but not too soon junior.
After all my years of wanting and studying the s2k, how is it i have never seen this video?!?! Definitely one of, if not, the best driving impression I've seen online for ANY car! Absolutely amazing, thank you. I'm looking at finally making a purchase of either the s2k or a 986 Boxster. Your review is helping to make up my mind. #Subscribed!
great video .I used to have a s2000 back in 2005 I sold it and I miss it everyday .its 2017 and I still miss it:(( its my dream car .nothing like a s2000 .iam now looking to buy another .take care of your Honda forever :)
Great video man. As a 22 year old guy who has liked s2000s for almost ten years now, videos like these are my only outlet for my deep want for them. Add the fact that they just slowly raise in price year after year, it somewhat saddens me. I still cling to the hope that I can find one to call my own, without completely breaking the bank. Your channel is awesome man, hope it continues to grow as well. ✌ -Fan from Canada.
Thanks man! I hear ya on the pricing. I was in that position when I was your age and that is how I ended up with my NB Miata. Even if you don't get your hands on an S, there are still great cheaper alternatives, so don't be discouraged!
Love your channel... I remember you from Clubroadster days! I've been fan of your NB since then lol... I gotta ask though, out of the NB, FD, RX8 & S2000s what is your favourite? What is in your opinion the best to drive? I like them all but have only driven my NB. Are they that much better to drive than a Miata or is it just the power & refinement?
Oh I was only a lurker coz I'm usually too lazy to interact haha. Yeah sorry about that lol... but you are the man to answer the question. Thanks that will be great I will be looking forward to see it!
Just stumble across this great video, a little late as this is 2 years old now, but man that's very spot on. I saw a good number of youtube videos lately, as I'm trying to make up my mind to actually sell my EU Ap1 Restyling S2000 (F20c lump on "your" US Ap2 platform) and this video just made me thing again about the sell. I think the 2 major downs of the S2000 are that you need to be in the right mood/road/wheater to explore the car limits at full chat, otherwise it feels a tad frustrating due to the kack of torque and playfulness of the chassis, where a Miata (as an example) is lively in much more standard, daily situations. And point number 2 is I had an Elise before the S2000, and so the Honda feels much more heavy and steering dumb in comparison, but yet a much more better car overall. And I find that sum up the problem: it is quite comfy and usable as daily, but not so fun as a miata in that situation, and on the other end, not so focused and wild like an Elise as a weekend warrior. Best of both worlds, but also doesn't really shine in a specific way like the other two. So I'm thinking to switch for an ND (never had a miata before) but as I said in the opening, this video just makes me think twice. So, thank you (or maybe not! :))
amazing review Quinn you never fail to drop a nice video. i really love what you said about the s2k platform and everything you stated about the car is true. ima share this video on s2k talk and tech and my Facebook.
Try shifting my 06 RSXs with Spoon Clutch kit in it (spoon flywheel, spoon organic disc, spoon pressure plate, spoon release bearing, spoon driveshafts, spoon clutch hose, spoon LSD) together with JDM DC5R tranny internals, BuddyClub shifter box and factory (RSXs) shifter cables. The best feeling ever everytime you shift. Great content, keep it up! Btw AP2 Honda owner too since March of this year and i totally agreed on what you’re saying on here!
Excellent review ! Been looking for a great comparison video of Ap1 vs 2 by someone knowledgeable for some time and I’m glad I stumbled across your channel. Subscribed !
My first car was an AP1 S2000. It didn't make any financial sense, and the insurance costs are killing me, but every time I hop in I fall in love all over again. MY2002 Suzuka Blue S2000. Best decision of my life.
Hey bro great video. I just bought a S2k 2005 AP2. I love it last year but f cable throttle as you already know. I have it on n yellow Pearl only has 17k miles on it. So I'm gonna keep her for a long time before i let her go. I am keeping it all stock absolutely. I just had a question to ask you since you're a big car enthusiast. What tites would you recommend for it? Looking for summer/wet. Nice nothing too sticky so I do t over work suspension. Probably gonna do alittle autocross with her next year that's it. Mainly gonna drive it in good weather she is my weekend car. I live in NJ .. thanks
So in summary, AP1 > AP2 in driving excitement. AP2 > AP1 in overall performance ceiling when modded. Don’t own either, but if I buy, it will be a stock AP1. Great vid.
Great video Quinn, particularly in explaining all of the differences between the AP1 and AP2. Never knew about all the nuances between the two models. I've always liked the S2000s and would love to pick one up one day after I get my MX5 where I want it to be. MX5 (Miata), S2000 and RX7 makes one awesome garage! Great launch at the end on cold tires too! ;)
I'm looking at an s2000 as my next car. My other option would be to save up for a 2019 model. The thing which I'm quite worried about is the feeling of the extra weight the s2000 has. How noticeable is it? Thanks
Fantastic review, If i'm not wrong the only place that got the 2.2 is the US/CANADA....The rest of the world got the AP2 changes but kept the F20. i will keep my AP1 with the AP2 sus. changes done
Thanks Marc. Japan moved to the 2.2 for 06+ models. So for the 04-05 first years of the AP2, they kept the F20C. I believe Europe had the F20C for all production years.
OMG so much gold here I need to troll your older videos more often. Come one lets here it! AP1 is your fav! I know it's mine. Having tracked both on COTA, the AP1 is more fun. And you buy a S2000 for 9k; don't deny it. I do admit I swapped my 'ole AP1 transmission to AP2.
ahhh another nice video... I need to find some backroads around where I live and do this... I havent pushed my Ap2 at all and Ive owned it for a year. Looking forward to more s2k vids bro.
Taking any vtec machine out for a thrashing is just way better in colder weather. The car is happy and you can put the window down, turn the ac off and hear those cams phase from low to high as you pull through the powerband ❤❤
is there a noticeable difference between the AP1 and AP2 in terms of road noise, cabin rattles, and overall smoothness of the driving experience? Just got a 2000 S2K 2 weeks ago and am curious how it compares.
Awesome videos, I have a short attention span and never learned how to watch much TV or movies, but have enjoyed your videos. I currently own a ap2 with the nannies ;) I'm new to RWD, and have found it to give me some sense of security as I progressively learn to drive closer to the limits. One day I plan to shut it off when I graduate.. Can you provide insight on the 7lb flywheel you installed on the ap1? I removed the delay mechanism in my ap2 slave.. and I'm planning for lightened flywheel, but how light is too light from your perspective. I will not be driving daily, but don't want to stuggle greatly and stall engaging first gear. Thanks again for the great videos and feedback.
Thanks man. The 7lb flywheel certainly makes the revs snappier, but since I am N/A I am running it with a new OEM Exedy sprung clutch disk and pressure plate, so it is actually fairly docile and easy to manipulate.
your love of both NA and \Boost is just great. I LOVE MY 03 S2000 for what you pay and what you get, show me another car that is this much fun to drive, ( i do not fit into a Miata) so that one is out
I know this is a really late comment but why did u choose to go with the 225s on a 9 inch in the front instead of a 245 or 255? Was it just for looks because 40 offset is very low for the front wheels of an s2k? I'm running 245 all around because I thought it would supposedly decrease understeer
The wheel and tire combo on here is what my friend who owned the car previously put on. The 9" wide with +40 was a tough fit in the front, so I think that is what drove the decision. He also wasn't big on oversteer, hence why he chose to keep a staggered setup. Ironically, this car oversteered quite easily, so I think the alignment was more responsible for that than the tire setup.
Great video review and comparison with the AP1, GQM! Very clear, enough street driving to see how tight it is, and, how controllable as well. The AP1 (or, yours at least) seems more raw (manic?), faster to cut loose in the rear, less manageable on bumps, but, really, really exciting to drive)(EDIT after post- wrong car? No AP1 drive impression yet???) I'm doing an RX-8, and, have watched your drive video of that as well. It seems to be a longer wheelbase car, with more give in the corners- less likely to snap loose in the rear, maybe, slightly easier to keep control of at similar speeds. the RX-8 seems to have more suspension travel, less power, and, a little less punishing on mid curve bumps. Can you share your thoughts on differences between them? I'm thinking more GT feeling, less short road course, although great shifting, easy to turn, good steering wheel feel... Hard to compare different cars, but- curious to your sense on the differences. Dave
Thanks Dave. This was my AP2 that I sold over this past summer. The AP1 impression was more recent and is here: th-cam.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=IFWsCvNC7Wk . The RX-8 is a much more forgiving suspension and has longer travel. Combine Mazda's magic suspension engineering with the longer wheel base and you have a car that you can go stupid fast over bumps without the car getting upset. The S2000's suspension is a little more old school in that regard. It gets the job done mechanically, but like most simple A-Arm setups it's a little more nervous and snappy at the limit.
That's what I was thinking. And, you POWN the Miata's on the street & track (it's clearly your driving 'comfy zone'), so, the S2000 is a fancy Miata in your hands. Also, they are just so sweet stock- I get why they are completely in your wheelhouse. I also get why the AP1 is your project car. It's great to see all of these being driven they way they can be- in safety- it's very satisfying for subscribers. During the middle of Winter. When most are under cover, trickle chargers attached, and, dreams to next projects brewing in our heads. But, I digress! Really do appreciate these gems- a true life saver when average daily high temps start in the teens, and, end in the mid 20's... keeps the fire burning. I'd like to reach out re: my RX-8 build- what's my best forum? The webpage discussion? Email? Really want your input on my '08 RX-8 40th AE build. Hate wasting $$'s, only to R & R expensive pieces/parts that don't work for desired goals... And, you've done work already- feedback/input would be greatly valued. Sorry to nudge, but, hate highjacking threads...
I sense that I'm wicked late to the party, so, sorry if I'm time backwards on your video timeline. Just found the channel, and, shotgunning vids that interest me most. Thanks again!
Hey man! Love youre videos! Really envy of you having such a nice garage! Personally I have a Bmw Z4 myself. I always wanted the S2000. But where im from its only available is AP1 (unless you wanna pay twice the amount cause of taxes) Anyway! I love the Bmw Z4 Coupe M. Would really love to have 1 myself one day! So thanks for making a vid of that! Anyway. I am planning to buy a S2000. Ap1 mainly. Is there any big difference in the cars if you choose to supercharge them? Couse then you have more boost to reach 9k Rmp. And that kind of makes more rpm better? Or im I compleatly wrong here? Let me know what you think! Keep up the vids!
Hey Fredrik, the AP1 is an awesome car. I love my AP1! As far as supercharging goes, the pulleys are different for the AP1 vs AP2 kits. Here is an example of what comes with the Kraftwerks kits, the amount of max boost at which RPM and the speed of the impeller. Here is the standard formula to find out the impeller speed: Impeller RPM = RPM Engine MAX x Crank Pulley Dia. x Rotrex Ratio / Supercharger Pulley Dia. For Example: 9350 (RPM ENGINE MAX AP1) x 128 (Crank Pulley) x 7.50 (C38 Ratio) / 100 (Supercharger Pulley) = 89,760 RPM @ Impeller. For those with some custom setup or an RPM that isn't noted, use this: Pulley Dia. Supercharger = RPM Engine MAX x Crank Pulley Dia. x Rotrex Ratio / Impeller RPM For Example: 9350 (RPM Engine Max AP1) x 128 (Crank Pulley) x 7.50 (C38 Ratio) / 90,000 (C38 Max Impeller) = 99.73 → 100 AP1 Comes with 128mm Crank + 100mm S/C Pulley for 9350Rpm Redline @ Approx 12.5psi → 89,760 @ Impeller Option 1. AP1 128mm Crank + 95mm S/C Pulley for 8900Rpm Redline @ Approx 14.5psi → 89,937 @ Impeller Option 2. AP1 128mm Crank + 90mm S/C Pulley for 8450Rpm Redline @ Approx 16.5psi → 90,133 @ Impeller AP2 Comes with 128mm Crank + 90mm S/C Pulley for 8400Rpm Redline @ Approx 13psi → 89,600 @ Impeller Option 1. AP2 128mm Crank + 85mm S/C Pulley for 8000Rpm Redline @ Approx 14.5psi → 90,353 @ Impeller Option 2. AP2 128mm Crank + 80mm S/C Pulley for 7500Rpm Redline @ Approx 16.5psi → 90,000 @ Impeller
Thanks Rudy. I would love a 3.2 6 Speed NA1 NSX and it is actually one of my bucket list cars. The prices they are commending however make it very difficult to justify what you are getting for dollar spent though.
I also love the 3.2 6 speed NSX, and I have been keeping an eye the year 1997 to 2005 models. I would like one day my S2k and NSX parked side by side next to each other.
I am 15 years old in high school and I was considering an s2000 as my first car because it's manual, fun, and not that expensive. I wanted to know anyone's opinion on if it would be a good first car or not.
Will this be the first sports car you've driven? I started out with a 98 Nissan Altima. I lost control of it a few times early on. An S2000 is a handful for someone just starting so I think for anyone jumping right into a sports car, you must respect the speed and learn to feel the cars limits. These things really only come with experience and its so easy to think you know it all well before you do. With that said, an S2000 would be a great introduction into sports cars and manual transmission. Great motor that wont give you too much trouble, not too much power but enough to have fun, and one of the best manual gearboxes ever.
I shopped and drove both the ap1 and ap2. the ap1 is much more fun and exciting. it definitely 'feels' faster. the ap2 is more refined and can be had many model yrs newer, but I don't see that as trumping the ap1 overall rawness. while I found a cherry ap2, after driving both I greatly preferred, and bought the ap1 despite its many flaws
Awesome video bro! I have a 2005 S2000...and i would not sell or trade that car for anything. The car in my eyes is perfect. The only improvements would be changing out your Timing Chain Tensioner because it is a weak point. Also adding a ingalls engine damper to make your shifts feel extra precise and accurate. Adding that made my driving experience a 100 times better!
I wouldn't worry about that. You can easily get the little extra engine excitement with a set of cams and raising your rev limit to 8600. Not to mention it would make more power than the AP1 too by a good margin.
Which is a better handling car....the s2000 or the mazda rx-8? I have a 2011 mazda rx-8 and to me it's the most amazing handling car I ever drove....I like it better the the Porsche gt3 in handling....not power!
As far as I am concerned, the RX-8 has one of the best suspensions to ever leave the factory. An S2000 may have slightly more mechanical grip, but the RX-8 in my book is one of the best handling cars ever.
24:32 - "Nothing has been made, since Honda ceased production of this car, that was quite like a S2000" S2000 is my dream car and I totally understand why you say that, but I have to ask you this... Have you driven the ND Miata yet and, if so, what do you think about it? Sure it has a boat like suspension... And the engine is nice, but it is no Honda engine...
Thanks David. The ND is a fantastic car. Think of it as a slightly nicer build quality S2000, that is lighter but doesn't have VTEC :) If I do another Q&A I will talk about this a little more and give my driving impressions of the ND.
It is a Maven Performance shift knob that is from this video: th-cam.com/video/sl3oXPKVvlI/w-d-xo.html but I had polished it by hand for when you see it in this AP2 driving impression.
Well it was originally made by Mugen, but everyone and their mother makes copy of it now. So I wouldn't be able to tell you what brand you have. This particular one is made by Forbidden and is the double-sided carbon version.
Dude man I have to disagree with only one thing you said but I loved everything else I've driven the AP1 and ap2 stock for both of them there is no horsepower difference and they both accelerate the same and I could not tell the difference when we were lined up both of us knew how to drive stick well and both of us and left at the same time he did not pull from me I did feel like I was going a little faster like you said with RPMs rising a little bit more in the AP1 but sounding faster and being faster are two different things loved the video!
I raced my stock AP1 against this car before I owned it back when it was also stock and while the AP1 felt faster, the AP2 would consitently win by half a car.
It was taking me away from the other builds and I didn't really have a clear direction for it. It also freed up some income and allowed me to do a lot more to the AP1 this year.
Thanks man. It's really just the proportions and design of it. It looks clean, fits my hands nicely and the contrasting stitching adds a nice touch to the interior.
Had 2 s2000 looking to buy another,,,have a 2012 boss to trade have a dealer who will do the trade for a late s2 super low miles,,,, (my wife is ready to commit me,,,,,,,what to do).
Was there a change to the ABS for for AP2? If there was, it wasn't anything substantial or noticeable between both cars. I love S2000 ABS, it works really well and allows you to trailbrake deep into a turn without the system getting upset or doing anything stupid.
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Really enjoyed this video. Great job explaining and going over all the differences. Your love, experience, and expertise in this model really shows here.. and the advantages of having both ap1 and ap2 in the garage really gives you the credibility. Keep it up and really cheering for you to get bigger and more presence on TH-cam... you deserve it.
Thank you very much Jae, that means a lot! ::thumbsup::
Another awesome thing of the s2000 is the timeless design. This car still looks modern and some non car guys think it's a new Honda!
100% Agree!
These cars are rolex watches, the older they get, the more expensive they become. Great car!
There just hasn't been anything quite like it produced ever since!
@@TheSlipAngle *laughs in 2021 dollars for what people pay for the S2000 lol. I was lucky enough to buy mine back for what I sold it in 2015 for if you account for inflation
S2000s are like baby Ferraris. High revving rwd balanced road legal 'daily driveable' go-karts.
And it wasn't until the Ferrari 458 Italia came along and broke the production engine HP per liter record that the F20C held for 11 years!
Garage Quinn Motors That's where you're wrong. The Mazda RX7 FD has an hp/liter of 200.7!
I am talking about naturally aspirated engine output. If we count forced induction, then you can say my turbo Miata is making 187 hp/liter :)
I know at this point this is a dated video; however, you did fantastic job reviewing the AP2 and describing how it compares to the AP1. I had a AP2 10 years ago and and had a number of cars since then, including a Porsche 911. Nothing has come close to the driving experience of the S2000. New cars are faster and more capable, but the S2000 gives the driver a sense of theater that few other cars can match at any price point. I’ve come full circle and think I need another S2000. Keep up the good work.
''... As you can see tires are loose'' *scratches balls*
LOL! I was fixing my microphone pack!! I keep it under my thigh haha
Yes I agree I love the raw simple driver feeling of the s2000, probably the last real drivers car
THEY SO EXPENSIVE THOUGH DAMN DRIVERS CAR TAX
Great vid as always quinn
Thank you Charles!
When you sit in this car and pull out of the driveway it feels so unique. The body is rigid and the cockpit is small, clean and driver focused. Very cool car.
This video just makes me smile. I enjoy watching others enjoy what I love about the s2000 so much.
Thanks man! If you can't find any enjoyment behind the wheel of an S2000, then something is really wrong :)
Nice videos man. Just came across this channel after watching Engineering Explained. Another S2000 enthusiast here. Keep it up!
Thanks bud. I was the one asking about your NSX's handling characteristics at the limit vs the S2000 about a month ago. Same goes to you! Cheers.
This is my favorite S2000 video by far . I have watched a dozen times. Super accurate description of what that car is and isn't. The aggressive driving portions are sublime and you Stupid deep Lingo is awesome. I have been lusting for one for 20 years now. I am finally in a good place in my life where I could buy one so I DID! I am picking it up in a few days and I still cant believe I am going to get my DREAM CAR. I cant wait to drive it but also cant wait to see it parked in my garage next to my 1989 CRX SI that I have owned for 20 years. I now own 2 out of 3 of my favorite Honda's . Nsx I ll see you soon .. but not too soon junior.
I also just bought s2000, to compliment my mx5 NA. Once you drive an s2000 it ruins you, no other car can match it for excitement.
Best S2000 review + AP1 vs AP2 technical and straight to the point explanations
Awesome car
Thank you! :)
After all my years of wanting and studying the s2k, how is it i have never seen this video?!?! Definitely one of, if not, the best driving impression I've seen online for ANY car! Absolutely amazing, thank you. I'm looking at finally making a purchase of either the s2k or a 986 Boxster. Your review is helping to make up my mind. #Subscribed!
Thank you brother! I'm glad you appreciate this :)
Awesome review. I’ve been watching S2000 videos for the last 5 days and this was the best one so far. I’m supposed to buy a 2007 in a week.
I know exactly what you mean by temperature variance affecting engine response. It feels so much better on a dry, cool day; so so much better.
Yup!
I could not believe I watched 30 minutes, but I have to say I enjoyed your commentary from beginning to end. I'll check your other videos for sure
Thank you!
Great depth of knowledge about my favorite car.
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Dude, you can drive!
Thanks man!
great video .I used to have a s2000 back in 2005 I sold it and I miss it everyday .its 2017 and I still miss it:(( its my dream car .nothing like a s2000 .iam now looking to buy another .take care of your Honda forever :)
They are awesome cars. I will always have an S2000 in the stable no matter what. Good luck with the search, I hope you find another one!
Garage Quinn Motors super great cars I agree .thank you :)
The Slip Angle I know it’s an old thread but just began my search for an AP2.
Great video man. As a 22 year old guy who has liked s2000s for almost ten years now, videos like these are my only outlet for my deep want for them. Add the fact that they just slowly raise in price year after year, it somewhat saddens me. I still cling to the hope that I can find one to call my own, without completely breaking the bank. Your channel is awesome man, hope it continues to grow as well. ✌ -Fan from Canada.
Thanks man! I hear ya on the pricing. I was in that position when I was your age and that is how I ended up with my NB Miata. Even if you don't get your hands on an S, there are still great cheaper alternatives, so don't be discouraged!
really liked your launched at the end, sick...
Haha yes!
Always love watching S2K videos you have been a help for ideas with my 07. Keep those videos coming.
Awesome, thank you!
Love your channel... I remember you from Clubroadster days! I've been fan of your NB since then lol... I gotta ask though, out of the NB, FD, RX8 & S2000s what is your favourite? What is in your opinion the best to drive? I like them all but have only driven my NB. Are they that much better to drive than a Miata or is it just the power & refinement?
Thanks man! What was your CR handle? That is quite a loaded question, I will do an in-depth answer in my next Q+A for ya on this
Oh I was only a lurker coz I'm usually too lazy to interact haha. Yeah sorry about that lol... but you are the man to answer the question. Thanks that will be great I will be looking forward to see it!
This has to have been the best honda s2000 review on all of youtube.
Awesome! Live the s2k. Super fun car. No bullshit like you said. Just a driver's car. Looking forward to the AP1 review as we have an 02.
It's coming soon! Just got the AP1 back on the road two nights ago. Got a few project videos filmed for it in the process too.
Never selling my s2000... man I wish I could drive like you, or at least had the balls to push it!
They are awesome!
Just stumble across this great video, a little late as this is 2 years old now, but man that's very spot on. I saw a good number of youtube videos lately, as I'm trying to make up my mind to actually sell my EU Ap1 Restyling S2000 (F20c lump on "your" US Ap2 platform) and this video just made me thing again about the sell. I think the 2 major downs of the S2000 are that you need to be in the right mood/road/wheater to explore the car limits at full chat, otherwise it feels a tad frustrating due to the kack of torque and playfulness of the chassis, where a Miata (as an example) is lively in much more standard, daily situations. And point number 2 is I had an Elise before the S2000, and so the Honda feels much more heavy and steering dumb in comparison, but yet a much more better car overall. And I find that sum up the problem: it is quite comfy and usable as daily, but not so fun as a miata in that situation, and on the other end, not so focused and wild like an Elise as a weekend warrior. Best of both worlds, but also doesn't really shine in a specific way like the other two. So I'm thinking to switch for an ND (never had a miata before) but as I said in the opening, this video just makes me think twice. So, thank you (or maybe not! :))
I sure fell in love with mine. (02 ap1 driver and 03 ap1 in storage waiting for retirement). What a car.
Awesome 👍
amazing review Quinn you never fail to drop a nice video. i really love what you said about the s2k platform and everything you stated about the car is true. ima share this video on s2k talk and tech and my Facebook.
Thank you Clive and yes please do! The more you guys engage with the videos and share them, the more it helps the channel grow :)
Very nice review. I own a 2005 and think it was one of the best years for the S2000 for all the reasons you mentioned.
The Honda S2000 ROCK'S
Wow you know how to drive an S properly! I just got an AP2 and I’m still getting comfortable approaching the limits
Try shifting my 06 RSXs with Spoon Clutch kit in it (spoon flywheel, spoon organic disc, spoon pressure plate, spoon release bearing, spoon driveshafts, spoon clutch hose, spoon LSD) together with JDM DC5R tranny internals, BuddyClub shifter box and factory (RSXs) shifter cables. The best feeling ever everytime you shift. Great content, keep it up! Btw AP2 Honda owner too since March of this year and i totally agreed on what you’re saying on here!
This is the best video explaining the differences between AP1 and AP2.
Thoroughly enjoyed it. Thank you.
Thank you. I will have a driving impression up for my AP1 soon as well.
Excellent review ! Been looking for a great comparison video of Ap1 vs 2 by someone knowledgeable for some time and I’m glad I stumbled across your channel. Subscribed !
Awesome, thank you!
My first car was an AP1 S2000. It didn't make any financial sense, and the insurance costs are killing me, but every time I hop in I fall in love all over again. MY2002 Suzuka Blue S2000. Best decision of my life.
Hey bro great video. I just bought a S2k 2005 AP2. I love it last year but f cable throttle as you already know. I have it on n yellow Pearl only has 17k miles on it. So I'm gonna keep her for a long time before i let her go. I am keeping it all stock absolutely. I just had a question to ask you since you're a big car enthusiast. What tites would you recommend for it? Looking for summer/wet. Nice nothing too sticky so I do t over work suspension. Probably gonna do alittle autocross with her next year that's it. Mainly gonna drive it in good weather she is my weekend car. I live in NJ .. thanks
So in summary, AP1 > AP2 in driving excitement. AP2 > AP1 in overall performance ceiling when modded. Don’t own either, but if I buy, it will be a stock AP1. Great vid.
Perfect review supplement to your other review of the AP1. I have a lot to think about. Thanks.
Thank you 👍
Great video Quinn, particularly in explaining all of the differences between the AP1 and AP2. Never knew about all the nuances between the two models.
I've always liked the S2000s and would love to pick one up one day after I get my MX5 where I want it to be.
MX5 (Miata), S2000 and RX7 makes one awesome garage!
Great launch at the end on cold tires too! ;)
Thanks Neal! :)
Real enthusiasts make the best reviews, prove me wrong
I'm looking at an s2000 as my next car. My other option would be to save up for a 2019 model. The thing which I'm quite worried about is the feeling of the extra weight the s2000 has. How noticeable is it? Thanks
Your car is honestly so beautiful. I'm loving the square setup. The rubbing tho 😬 I was feeling the pain lol
Thanks man. Yeah I think the wheels are going to have to go. As good as they look, they just don't fit unfortunately:(
Love the car, I'm an AP2 owner here, honestly I like it a lot better than the AP1, obviously it's all about personal preference though.
Both are fantastic in their own ways :)
Really love this great video! S2000 is always one of my dream cars. I hope I can own one with low miles on it in near future.
Thanks Zheng! I hope you do too!
Fantastic review, If i'm not wrong the only place that got the 2.2 is the US/CANADA....The rest of the world got the AP2 changes but kept the F20. i will keep my AP1 with the AP2 sus. changes done
Thanks Marc. Japan moved to the 2.2 for 06+ models. So for the 04-05 first years of the AP2, they kept the F20C. I believe Europe had the F20C for all production years.
OMG so much gold here I need to troll your older videos more often. Come one lets here it! AP1 is your fav! I know it's mine. Having tracked both on COTA, the AP1 is more fun. And you buy a S2000 for 9k; don't deny it. I do admit I swapped my 'ole AP1 transmission to AP2.
ahhh another nice video... I need to find some backroads around where I live and do this... I havent pushed my Ap2 at all and Ive owned it for a year. Looking forward to more s2k vids bro.
Thanks Felix! and yes, the bumper is an Amuse R1 front bumper.
I've driven the AP1 and AP2 but the original design S2000 AP1 is the better handling car.. I've driven both at there limits plenty of times.
Interesting. Any idea how do they compare on bumpyish roads for handling??
Amazing videos man! I crack a brew and just enjoy. Have you ever thought about sorting out an MR2 Turbo?
Mr2 are awesome but seems like a pain to work on though🤷🏽
Nice driving
Great review .,you covered it all.Is the stock ap1 able to handy bumpyroads at much speed doh?
honda is magic..........
Great review.
Thank you Demetrick.
Taking any vtec machine out for a thrashing is just way better in colder weather. The car is happy and you can put the window down, turn the ac off and hear those cams phase from low to high as you pull through the powerband ❤❤
Cheers to that!
Your videos are like the S2000: all about driving with none of the bullshit.
S2000 FTW
Yes!
Watching these videos makes me wanna go beat the crap out of my FRS. I hope i can be as skilled of a driver as you one day. Cheers from Canada.
Thank you! Seat time, seat time, seat time :) 👍
Great video man, just makes me love my 05 s2k even more.
Thanks man. Hell yeah!
is there a noticeable difference between the AP1 and AP2 in terms of road noise, cabin rattles, and overall smoothness of the driving experience? Just got a 2000 S2K 2 weeks ago and am curious how it compares.
They are both equally as noisy cabins lol :)
Outstanding
Thanks Andre!
Awesome videos, I have a short attention span and never learned how to watch much TV or movies, but have enjoyed your videos. I currently own a ap2 with the nannies ;) I'm new to RWD, and have found it to give me some sense of security as I progressively learn to drive closer to the limits. One day I plan to shut it off when I graduate..
Can you provide insight on the 7lb flywheel you installed on the ap1?
I removed the delay mechanism in my ap2 slave.. and I'm planning for lightened flywheel, but how light is too light from your perspective.
I will not be driving daily, but don't want to stuggle greatly and stall engaging first gear.
Thanks again for the great videos and feedback.
Thanks man. The 7lb flywheel certainly makes the revs snappier, but since I am N/A I am running it with a new OEM Exedy sprung clutch disk and pressure plate, so it is actually fairly docile and easy to manipulate.
Great vid! I just ordered a 70mm Berk HFC for my AP2 (I've got a milltek exhaust already)... Does your AP2 have any engine tuning or is it stock?
No it doesn't, but my AP1 is fully tuned at this point.
your love of both NA and \Boost is just great. I LOVE MY 03 S2000 for what you pay and what you get, show me another car that is this much fun to drive, ( i do not fit into a Miata) so that one is out
🙌 🙌 🙌
Very cool video. Great insight.
Thank you!
Excellent video! any plans to drive a 350z ?
I have a friend with a drift 350z that I am probably going to shoot something on soon. I would gladly review a more normal one though.
Straight to the point! I LIKE THUMBS UP!
Thank you!
I know this is a really late comment but why did u choose to go with the 225s on a 9 inch in the front instead of a 245 or 255? Was it just for looks because 40 offset is very low for the front wheels of an s2k? I'm running 245 all around because I thought it would supposedly decrease understeer
The wheel and tire combo on here is what my friend who owned the car previously put on. The 9" wide with +40 was a tough fit in the front, so I think that is what drove the decision. He also wasn't big on oversteer, hence why he chose to keep a staggered setup. Ironically, this car oversteered quite easily, so I think the alignment was more responsible for that than the tire setup.
what exhaust system you have on this one. it sounds in perfect volume not so quite and not so loud.
A Berk Technologies high flow cat and Greddy Spectrum Elite.
The best ap2 s2000 review ! Thanks I’m thinking of buying one a week from today 22k 2005 30k miles on it if it’s still there.
Did you get it
Best Roadster ever
Agreed!
Great video review and comparison with the AP1, GQM! Very clear, enough street driving to see how tight it is, and, how controllable as well. The AP1 (or, yours at least) seems more raw (manic?), faster to cut loose in the rear, less manageable on bumps, but, really, really exciting to drive)(EDIT after post- wrong car? No AP1 drive impression yet???) I'm doing an RX-8, and, have watched your drive video of that as well. It seems to be a longer wheelbase car, with more give in the corners- less likely to snap loose in the rear, maybe, slightly easier to keep control of at similar speeds. the RX-8 seems to have more suspension travel, less power, and, a little less punishing on mid curve bumps. Can you share your thoughts on differences between them? I'm thinking more GT feeling, less short road course, although great shifting, easy to turn, good steering wheel feel... Hard to compare different cars, but- curious to your sense on the differences. Dave
Thanks Dave. This was my AP2 that I sold over this past summer. The AP1 impression was more recent and is here: th-cam.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=IFWsCvNC7Wk . The RX-8 is a much more forgiving suspension and has longer travel. Combine Mazda's magic suspension engineering with the longer wheel base and you have a car that you can go stupid fast over bumps without the car getting upset. The S2000's suspension is a little more old school in that regard. It gets the job done mechanically, but like most simple A-Arm setups it's a little more nervous and snappy at the limit.
That's what I was thinking. And, you POWN the Miata's on the street & track (it's clearly your driving 'comfy zone'), so, the S2000 is a fancy Miata in your hands. Also, they are just so sweet stock- I get why they are completely in your wheelhouse. I also get why the AP1 is your project car. It's great to see all of these being driven they way they can be- in safety- it's very satisfying for subscribers. During the middle of Winter. When most are under cover, trickle chargers attached, and, dreams to next projects brewing in our heads. But, I digress! Really do appreciate these gems- a true life saver when average daily high temps start in the teens, and, end in the mid 20's... keeps the fire burning. I'd like to reach out re: my RX-8 build- what's my best forum? The webpage discussion? Email? Really want your input on my '08 RX-8 40th AE build. Hate wasting $$'s, only to R & R expensive pieces/parts that don't work for desired goals... And, you've done work already- feedback/input would be greatly valued. Sorry to nudge, but, hate highjacking threads...
I sense that I'm wicked late to the party, so, sorry if I'm time backwards on your video timeline. Just found the channel, and, shotgunning vids that interest me most. Thanks again!
Thanks Dave. You can reach me here: garagequinn.com/contact/
Hey man! Love youre videos! Really envy of you having such a nice garage! Personally I have a Bmw Z4 myself. I always wanted the S2000. But where im from its only available is AP1 (unless you wanna pay twice the amount cause of taxes) Anyway! I love the Bmw Z4 Coupe M. Would really love to have 1 myself one day! So thanks for making a vid of that!
Anyway. I am planning to buy a S2000. Ap1 mainly. Is there any big difference in the cars if you choose to supercharge them? Couse then you have more boost to reach 9k Rmp. And that kind of makes more rpm better? Or im I compleatly wrong here?
Let me know what you think! Keep up the vids!
Hey Fredrik, the AP1 is an awesome car. I love my AP1! As far as supercharging goes, the pulleys are different for the AP1 vs AP2 kits. Here is an example of what comes with the Kraftwerks kits, the amount of max boost at which RPM and the speed of the impeller.
Here is the standard formula to find out the impeller speed:
Impeller RPM = RPM Engine MAX x Crank Pulley Dia. x Rotrex Ratio / Supercharger Pulley Dia.
For Example: 9350 (RPM ENGINE MAX AP1) x 128 (Crank Pulley) x
7.50 (C38 Ratio) / 100 (Supercharger Pulley) = 89,760 RPM @ Impeller.
For those with some custom setup or an RPM that isn't noted, use this:
Pulley Dia. Supercharger = RPM Engine MAX x Crank Pulley Dia. x Rotrex Ratio / Impeller RPM
For Example: 9350 (RPM Engine Max AP1) x 128 (Crank Pulley) x
7.50 (C38 Ratio) / 90,000 (C38 Max Impeller) = 99.73 → 100
AP1 Comes with 128mm Crank + 100mm S/C Pulley for 9350Rpm Redline @ Approx 12.5psi → 89,760 @ Impeller
Option 1. AP1 128mm Crank + 95mm S/C Pulley for 8900Rpm Redline @ Approx 14.5psi → 89,937 @ Impeller
Option 2. AP1 128mm Crank + 90mm S/C Pulley for 8450Rpm Redline @ Approx 16.5psi → 90,133 @ Impeller
AP2 Comes with 128mm Crank + 90mm S/C Pulley for 8400Rpm Redline @ Approx 13psi → 89,600 @ Impeller
Option 1. AP2 128mm Crank + 85mm S/C Pulley for 8000Rpm Redline @ Approx 14.5psi → 90,353 @ Impeller
Option 2. AP2 128mm Crank + 80mm S/C Pulley for 7500Rpm Redline @ Approx 16.5psi → 90,000 @ Impeller
Wow! Thank you so much for the info, and youre time to find it all out! Really apritiated!
Anytime :)
Compared to a Miata these are still rocket ships!
Very nice video. I also have a MY08 NFR that I plan to keep it until I die. Any plan of getting a DC2 Type R and/or NSX NA2?
Thanks Rudy. I would love a 3.2 6 Speed NA1 NSX and it is actually one of my bucket list cars. The prices they are commending however make it very difficult to justify what you are getting for dollar spent though.
I also love the 3.2 6 speed NSX, and I have been keeping an eye the year 1997 to 2005 models. I would like one day my S2k and NSX parked side by side next to each other.
Yup, 97-01 would be the years I would look for.
I am 15 years old in high school and I was considering an s2000 as my first car because it's manual, fun, and not that expensive. I wanted to know anyone's opinion on if it would be a good first car or not.
Will this be the first sports car you've driven? I started out with a 98 Nissan Altima. I lost control of it a few times early on. An S2000 is a handful for someone just starting so I think for anyone jumping right into a sports car, you must respect the speed and learn to feel the cars limits. These things really only come with experience and its so easy to think you know it all well before you do. With that said, an S2000 would be a great introduction into sports cars and manual transmission. Great motor that wont give you too much trouble, not too much power but enough to have fun, and one of the best manual gearboxes ever.
pls make some more s2k vids! earned yourself a sub!
Thanks Kory, they are coming!
Garage Quinn Motors i also found you on s2ki forums!
Looking into getting a s2000 what do you think or where do you think I should look and what price range?
I look at Autotrader and Cars.com. I'd say 15k can buy you a really clean 50-70k mile car, depending on the year.
I picked up my AP1 on Craiglist for $10K, but it did come with 114K miles and in need of some TLC, mostly cosmetic thought and overall a good deal.
Love my blue 2002!
I shopped and drove both the ap1 and ap2. the ap1 is much more fun and exciting. it definitely 'feels' faster. the ap2 is more refined and can be had many model yrs newer, but I don't see that as trumping the ap1 overall rawness. while I found a cherry ap2, after driving both I greatly preferred, and bought the ap1 despite its many flaws
Agreed! Both are great and at the end of the day neither one is a bad choice.
Awesome video bro! I have a 2005 S2000...and i would not sell or trade that car for anything. The car in my eyes is perfect. The only improvements would be changing out your Timing Chain Tensioner because it is a weak point. Also adding a ingalls engine damper to make your shifts feel extra precise and accurate. Adding that made my driving experience a 100 times better!
Thanks bud. Awesome! S2000's are great cars!
I have an Ap2 and its the only S2000 I've ever driven. I would like to drive an AP1 but I'm afraid i would like it better.
I wouldn't worry about that. You can easily get the little extra engine excitement with a set of cams and raising your rev limit to 8600. Not to mention it would make more power than the AP1 too by a good margin.
Which is a better handling car....the s2000 or the mazda rx-8? I have a 2011 mazda rx-8 and to me it's the most amazing handling car I ever drove....I like it better the the Porsche gt3 in handling....not power!
As far as I am concerned, the RX-8 has one of the best suspensions to ever leave the factory. An S2000 may have slightly more mechanical grip, but the RX-8 in my book is one of the best handling cars ever.
24:32 - "Nothing has been made, since Honda ceased production of this car, that was quite like a S2000"
S2000 is my dream car and I totally understand why you say that, but I have to ask you this... Have you driven the ND Miata yet and, if so, what do you think about it?
Sure it has a boat like suspension... And the engine is nice, but it is no Honda engine...
Btw, love your channel, just a shame there is no regular uploads, but totally understandable!
Thanks David. The ND is a fantastic car. Think of it as a slightly nicer build quality S2000, that is lighter but doesn't have VTEC :)
If I do another Q&A I will talk about this a little more and give my driving impressions of the ND.
Any recommendations for a mild na tune? I have an 04'
Mind telling us what shift knob that is? It looks great!
It is a Maven Performance shift knob that is from this video: th-cam.com/video/sl3oXPKVvlI/w-d-xo.html but I had polished it by hand for when you see it in this AP2 driving impression.
My S2000 came with the same exact hardtop. Any clue what brand it is?
Well it was originally made by Mugen, but everyone and their mother makes copy of it now. So I wouldn't be able to tell you what brand you have. This particular one is made by Forbidden and is the double-sided carbon version.
btw.. what lip is that? Looks really good.
Felix Melendez it's the amuse s2000 r1 front bumper
Cool video..Makes me want to hit the canyons right now lol
Yes!
i have a 05 s2000,my fave car
What kind of shift knob is that? Looks solid.
Heeltoe Automotive
Awesome video! I own an AP1, any s2000 is a great choice
Thanks man! Sweet!
Dude man I have to disagree with only one thing you said but I loved everything else I've driven the AP1 and ap2 stock for both of them there is no horsepower difference and they both accelerate the same and I could not tell the difference when we were lined up both of us knew how to drive stick well and both of us and left at the same time he did not pull from me I did feel like I was going a little faster like you said with RPMs rising a little bit more in the AP1 but sounding faster and being faster are two different things loved the video!
I raced my stock AP1 against this car before I owned it back when it was also stock and while the AP1 felt faster, the AP2 would consitently win by half a car.
@@TheSlipAngle right yeah I believe it
I drove an AP2 and the AP1 and I thought the AP1 was faster and handled better...I noticed my hair caught on fire when I hit 9,000 RPM's.....
The AP1 is definitely a little more purist / exciting stock vs stock
I may have missed it, but what seats are in there?
They are Recaro Speeds
How tall are you?
5' 11"
Awesome video. :)
Thank you!
Just curious as to why you sold this AP2?
It was taking me away from the other builds and I didn't really have a clear direction for it. It also freed up some income and allowed me to do a lot more to the AP1 this year.
What bumper ???
Amuse R1
Nice steering wheel. I wonder why you love the neo grinta so much
Btw Mugen is pronounced mugén and "gen" is pronounced like "gain" not like "generation" or something. Anyways, thanks for great videos as always
Thanks man. It's really just the proportions and design of it. It looks clean, fits my hands nicely and the contrasting stitching adds a nice touch to the interior.
Had 2 s2000 looking to buy another,,,have a 2012 boss to trade have a dealer who will do the trade for a late s2 super low miles,,,, (my wife is ready to commit me,,,,,,,what to do).
Not a bad position to be in ;)
Are ap2 stock brakes and Abs better than Ap1?
Was there a change to the ABS for for AP2? If there was, it wasn't anything substantial or noticeable between both cars. I love S2000 ABS, it works really well and allows you to trailbrake deep into a turn without the system getting upset or doing anything stupid.
@@TheSlipAngle are you using traction control Vsa honda call is it worth it i mean do you see a dig different in the corners ..