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When I played Vanilla Classic, I played only a Survival hunter. I engaged the mobs in combat all the time. It was a revelation to me to know that other hunter specs have the pet do all the fighting. LOL
To be fair, at least for beast mastery it would make sense, YOU'RE THE BEAST MASTER AFTER ALL! For Marksmanship, I dunno, sure the pet would do a lot of work, but I'd imagine that the focus would still be more on the hunter doing the heavy damage.
"After a successful parry, the defender's "swing timer" is reduced by 40% of your weapon speed (or even reset)" "thus parry favors slower, higher damage weapons."
@wowprobeast7543 well laying damage traps is kind of useless as BM cuz all the mobs are gonna be where your pet is, at a distance. Buut it's always a good idea to lay down a freezing trap that you may or may not need
@@tremolo6940 not always, you can easily have ur pet get aggro and put it to passive making it come back to you thus mob gets trapped or u start with pulling mob to you or over the trap then letting pet get aggro
Finally a video of someone playing the game, actually trying different mechanics, and then making them work. So many people are copy-pasta, it's insane!
Hunter has most deaths because people think its easy but what they fail to realise is you have a huge agro radius with your pet and you don’t control the path your pet takes so you will get into some sticky situations
I’ve died in mid 20s on a Tauren and dwarf hunters both due to hyper-respawns in a bunker and in hillsbrsd building. Time to try survival spec and not suck.
This is kind of funny. On my first hunter ever back in vanilla, I didn't really know about pet abilities and therefore didn't know about growl. So this was basically how I played it up until like level 30 before I bored of it. Kind of neat seeing the playstyle actually be a legitimate way of leveling up on hardcore classic now.
I think survivalist gives you good tools for hardcore. It’s not going to be as fast at power leveling as BM, or have as high a dps for dungeons and raids as MM.. but when shit hits the fan, it’s probably safer in a lot of situations, especially solo
I think a better pet for that playstile are bats and owls because they have a high dmg modifier and they have screech which is basically a demo shout for you since u gonna be the one getting hit
I tried this and will never EVER play ranged hunter again. It's so much better playing melee hunter since I have my pet taunt while I SHRED the mob from the back. Since I'm hitting from the back, my attacks rarely get parried. Melee hunter game play is a GAME CHANGER! Thanks for making this video. Liked and subbed.
He's still a ranged Hunter in this video; he's just employing melee weaving. You can level as melee as you want but it will be much, much less effective.
Neah, just go BM, stick with a single weapon type and keep it leveled up, also level up defense. You can comfortable do quests 2-3 levels higher and stay away from danger. In HC you WANT to be Donkey.
A good hunter goes from passive, defensive, or aggressive as needed to increase pet damage in 5 man. You might also want to consider changing target just before the npc dies to maintain 100% damage up time.
Currently playing a hunter in HC. It's the class I played most and have the best chance at hitting 60 on. I would have 100% died to feign death though, if I hadn't of watched this. I'm the kinda guy that would use it and AFK just for a gimmick
I went with agi/stam and it felt good in combat. Solid damage and ability to face mobs, but I had to drink a lot as mana was going fast. Spirit is nice as well, I tried to add some spirit after those primary stats just to reduce the time in between taking mana breaks.
my very first character was a melee hunter back in the vanilla release-date days. played it to 24 or so then went priest. my pet bear was named stinky.
entrapment is the most important talent in surv tree and u skipped it. the proc chance is ridicilous and u can take down really hard quests by just kiting em in frost trap. also helps alot in dungs preventing mobs from fleeing cuz the chance of snare for 5 sec is pretty hugh
Does Entrapment for Immolation / Explosion Trap only trigger on the initial tick, or on subsequent damage ticks as well? Asked this in the Hunter Discord but got no answer
Small rant with good info, lmao I don't know what you people mean by hunters having their pets do all the fighting, this must be jealous trolling because it holds zero truth, The best BM does not even do that, in fact at level 40 go fight a level 40 humanoid mob and just send in your pet, I bet my savings account if the pet does end up winning it takes like 5 min and you will have to heal the pet or it will die. In fact, if the hunter does not engage the enemy the pet will die. Even with the best BM hunter the pet at best is doing 20% of total damage to an enemy in a battle. That is on the high side. Even sending your cat with the best DPS, well cat and raptor, send in your level 40 cat on a level 40 cat mob or another animal. your pet will win, even without healing but it will take a long time, and it will only win by a small margin about 15% more health left than the mob. So no, the pet does not do the DPS or fighting for the hunter not even in BM spec. What does the pet do then in BM, it holds aggro that is what it does. it does not do high DPS or total damage it holds aggro so (you) can do high DPS or total damage. So anyone that claims the pet does the fighting is just a f**king m0r0n. Does a tank do all the fighting for a group? because that is what you are saying, What you are saying is why go into a dun with 5 people, the tanks do all the fighting. The tank does 100% the same thing for a group as the pet does for the BM or MM hunter it holds aggro. Survival is not a melee spec, not even close. can you get away with fighting like this guy in the video? yes. not in the end game, and not if the mobs you are taking on are one or more levels higher than you. For instance, at level 44 I was taking on level 49 and even 50 mobs. The only way I can do that is if my pet can hold aggro. I must stay under my pet's aggro meter or I will die. In survival, if you go running in all melee on a mob 5 or higher you are dead without question. Yes, you might get away with it in the perfect setting but on average you are dead. Remember hunters, you melee weapon skill, two-hand ax or sword whatever it is. should always be capped or close to it as you lvl, if not you are not playing the hunter to its fullest capabilities. Don't get me wrong, you do you, there is no right way to play this game, but there is a best practice, and keeping your melee skills caps is best practice. Don't get me wrong, I love the Survival spec. however, it is terrible practice to play it like a worrier, and go all melee, if you must go melee get in get out, and back into range, This is not only good practice for PvE but the skill you gain will help in PVP big time. for example, I melee weave no matter my spec, bm, mm, or sv Melee weaving is good gameplay as a hunter. With all that does. yes, with a good SV build if two hunters got caught up in melee and could not get out, the SV hunter would have the best chance, kind of, a good BM build can melee as well. Sometimes when I want to get my melee weapon skill level caught back up I will melee only, I will Serpent sting one auto shot and melee the rest of the fight. So that skill is not SV only, where I can not do that is if more than one mob is on me, or if the mob is a higher level than me, if I pull aggro I will be dead, dead I tell you dead. LOL.
Hi and thx for this video. I was main hunter in vanilla playing survival and will do it again here. But I would like to ask you if leatherworking to make good leather clothes instead of engineering is a good alternative or if engineering is still better for the hc experience
Hey! In terms of survivability engineering is the best profession for HC. You might be able to make some more gold with LW and maybe craft some gear later on. It depends on your play style really, I personally like to use the bombs in combat and have that target dummy escape plan ready.
@@SeawulfTVI will follow your advice and will try engineering 👍 We will be unique compared to the mass. And what about gameplay in dungeon ? Do you stay at distance ? Or do you go CAC too as well like when questing ?
It depends on the group in dungeons, if I feel like we have a strong group I might take advantage of the Raptor Strike crits and try to use it on cooldown. If it's not the case it might be safe to just keep distance and mainly dps with the ranged attacks.
Thank you for hyping survival but as survival hunter myself, apologise but your advices are weak... . No, you want to train growl, the point of survival is not tanking mobs, but have more escape opportunities. Growl can be as well key saver in multiple mobs pulls. . No, you want to command your pet to attack first, and threat first. Get familiar with CTRL+1 Key . A boar may be better than a cat, as it can root and charge generates the most threat. As survival pulls more agroo from the pet, the boar can keep agroo for long at initial puls. Also an escape tool. . AGAIN, NO, you do not want to melle dps as survival... this just promoting the bad reputation survival hunters have. The point of melle habilities in survival are to allow you to escape faster in situations mobs get at melle range and make use of the time they are in melle range to also keep damage. That is also why you have Wing Clip and Counterattack. To escape and SURVIVE!
I run the build and playstyle a little differently, but I agree with about 90% of what you're saying. Survival is the way to go. Mainly, I focus on ranged a bit more than you, and I DO pick up [Taunt], but I also use [Distracting Shot] a lot. The idea is for neither you nor your pet to tank. Again, though, I agree with about 90% of what you're saying. [Aspect of the Monkey] is the way to go. Survival is the way to go, it's literally in the name. I would go further to say that you should spend extra time to only HUNT beasts. [Scare Beast] is as good as Warlock's Fear, if you're fighting beasts. If your quests are looking a little dangerous, just HUNT beasts nonstop for 1 whole level. HUNT. It's literally in the name; HUNTer.
@@nihsumi Basically, Concussive Shot, then start kiting and shooting. Have your pet attack after you start shooting. Continue to Kite and shoot, stopping only for a split second for autos. Use a swing timer for this. If the mob gets near you, manually have your pet taunt. Get a little distance, then use distracting shot to pull it off your pet. Kite and kill.
I think intimidate, the only stun a hunter can have, is just too strong. So a hybrid BM-surv is the best. Your tips are very good, you should lvl up your defense and melee skills too, they are really important.
@@wowprobeast7543 You're on a survival hunter video, replying to a comment about a melee playstyle, suggesting that a melee hunter should never be in melee range. Y'all classic mains are wild.
I agree. 👍 [Improved Feign Death] and [Surefooted] are key. Hit chance is so good. You don't want your [Wing Clip] or [Concussive Shot] to miss when it counts, which is why [Surefooted] is OP, especially with the reduction of movement impairing abilities tacked on as a bonus. [Feign Death] especially, MUST work. If it's resisted, you are screwed, because you only use it when you NEED it to work. [Improved Feign Death] is probably the best talent a Hunter can have for HC, as you alluded to. [Surefooted] comes in 2nd place for similar reasons, and they're both right there next to each other.
Definitely, all hunter hc compilation deaths you see are essentially because of feign death resists occur, so the 2/2 Imp Feign Death is HUGE (if you ain't a "fighting red mobs Andy"
@@VegetoStevieD in HC you shouldnt be in many situations from 1-60 that requires FD. Using FD is like your saying "Please God save me!" This means you have used your heal pot, Target Dummy, WingClip failed, distracting shot failed and some others I am prob forgetting. Survival is something you should do on a non-HC server.
I personally like taurens, my first ever char was a tauren and I'm a big fan since Warcraft 3. I also used to pvp back in the day and loved the stun plus HP boost. I know that other classes might have slightly better racials for certain situations but I'm not into min maxing that much.
The Orc pet damage bonus is appeals to the HunTARD playstyle, as it could only be placed into the Beast Mastery category. The +5 to axes is pretty good, but overall, I find Orcs to be superficial beyond their value on paper.
@@SeawulfTV i see, me too i do prefer tauren, but sometimes i tell myself i have to play other race for some variety. but yea since once i finish hardcore my character go straight into pvp server i might roll survival tauren. i'll see.
Beastmastery - lazy levelling, pet does the heavy lifting. Survival - over complicating gameplay with the need to fully utilize your traps play. But has great tools to avoid death. Marksmanship- maximum hunter damage but requires good threat management and high awareness to your surroundings.
not sure what you see in the surv tree that would be better tbh just the imp revive pet makes bm better also, I find it funny that it's 2024, and hunter players STILL haven't figured out they have 2 hp pools, and 2attack styles, yet. Oh well, some day.
Wow thanks for the tip about FD will kill you if you leave it up full duration, im new to hunter and never knew that. I can just see me goin AFK in town or somthin and FD for shits n giggs and dying 😂
this is completely unnecessary though if you just find some trash mobs to level your defense every 3 levels or so, alliance has rats in Tram station that can be aggroed with concussion shot and Horde can do the same in wailing caverns dungeon by aggroing the small snakes by the instance, you never have to worry about crushing blows if you do this every 3 levels or so. Having the pet tank and the Hunter stay at range is always the best, playing any other way is just gimping your character.
You go BM until 40 then 20 points into survival. You stay this spec until you’re finished with pre bis farming and 60 dungeons. If you want to raid you have to go 40 points into Marksmen. Depending on your hit you can now go 20 points in survival or 20 Points in BM
This is not a meme, it's actually a superior spec. I think some nerd kid with a spread sheet decided in 2006 that there was a threshold for agility, and that myth has been around for 15+ years. IT IS A LIE. I would out dps better geared MM hunters and they would continue to call me noob for playing SV. People are that dumb and stuck on the cookie cutter shit. One of the big disappointments of SV is the Mongoose Bite, but outside of that, it's nothing but amazing. Survival is great for world leveling, PvP and as far as Hardcore goes - nothing is better than SV when it comes to "oh shit" moments.
The wolf can be a solid choice for this build, butI wanted to try out the wind serpent as his lightning breath does nature damage, and it can help diversify my damage output, as some mobs can have a lot of armor.
Can't tell if this guide is serious or just a meme. survival hunter is unfinished like other classes for example druid. BM hunter makes more sense for leveling - it increases the dmg of your pet so it makes it more easier to let him tank
I'm not down with this. This build does not allow you to face tank elites. BM until beastial wrath and then go survival has higher dmg and survivability. Play what u wanna play but this is a niche build for more adapt players wanting a different experience.
Yes, ofc you can't face tank elites, in that case if it's a melee elite, you just kite it with Cheetah. If you suddenly fuck up something, Survival Tree does help a lot with surviving cause of Deflection, Imp Wing Clip, Deterrence, CA and Surefooted talent. You can still start off my having your pet tank the elite (melee/ranged) and do lower DPS to not pull aggro from your pet, if the time comes that your pet will die, you can kite it or yeet. BM is good for preventing stuff to go wrong if you're playing right and you're 100% controlling the situation down to the last detail. But where HC really differs from normal Classic is when THINGS HIT THE FAN, and when that happens, BM doesn't provide you shit besides Intimidation, that's it. Survival does you a lot more when you suddenly get 3-4 mobs on you which your pet can pull off you. That's why I do thing Survival does have it's own merits in Hardcore.
Tbh bro I like the effort for the guide but I disagree and still think bm is way better. Owl pet is best bc good dps and screech op. U do more dps and kill faster if u don’t take damage and just heal ur pet ez, also having a pet that can tank helps a lot more. Also ranged attacks just do more for hunter than melee due to ranged scaling with agi and that’s what we stack. Agi doesn’t give melee atp, melee doesn’t get 10-15% atk speed from quiver. Sv doesn’t have a stun aside from cow but tbh troll or dwarf would be better for hc due to poison clense and haste to kill mob faster. Also using monkey is good but more atp means faster killing. Killing faster means you have less chance to take damage bc the mob dies before it can even hit you 5 times. Bwrath is also a very strong cd to kill stuff faster, also wyvern sting is good until it’s any kind of elemental or rock immune to nature or poison. Also if the pet takes hits for u you can always leave it for dead while u get a head start to reset the mobs
BM IS superior, but only superficially so. It's the supposed superiority that turns Hunters into HunTARDS, unable to deal with a situation that goes awry, because it's simply not built into the playstyle of the BM Huntard to be able to do so. BM fails at a more intangible level. It makes the player stupid.
In hardcore, you should level up defense and melee weapon skill even if you go BM. Typically you just let the pet do only white damage, no abilities and chain pull green mobs. This needs to be done every level. There was no need to do this in Vanilla or retail but when dying is not an option...
I used to play survival back in the day and it was very versatile. You are strong versus most melee classes and you can really surprise casters with some big crits when they try to keep close to you.
I appreciate your effort here. I’ve gotten 2 hunters to 60 HC. But leveling as survival is just pissing in the wind. I’ve seen high naxx gear make use of the 15% agility talent at the bottom, and pre raid spec half way to grab the surefooted 3% hit. But as for leveling come on now you’re just doing this to be different lol. BM gives you pet the extra damage to where he keeps aggro and ya know you can use your ranged weapon? If you’re in the melee dead zone expect to waste an ungodly amount of time spamming raptor strike . Leveling as survival might be doable but your gonna waste so much more time being a D tier melee at that point. The trap spam is heavy mana usage and waste more time drinking. I’m looking forward to your arcane solo mage leveling guide next!
Good points. Classic players like to hype up "sleeper builds" without considering the limitations and why they aren't widely picked in the first place.
Mate I've made posts on the r/classicwow & /wowhardcore subreddits asking for Surv-spec advice, pre-facing it with "I'm not trying to be a melee hunter" and "I know this isn't considered optimal and BM/MM is king - I'm just doing this for fun" and all I got from people was: 1.) If survival is your key objective, letting your disposable pet tank is safer than you tanking (can't argue with that one tbf) ...And I'm still gonna go hard in Survival 'cause fuckit, it's a game, I want to do something different, and I'm doing solo self-found anyway so I ain't hurtin' nobody. Just my own mentality if I die!
@@hesketh7085 100p, my point was surv has that and a bunch of CDs if your pet dies. the melee portion is the icing on top of all the defensives surv has to offer, that said, atm I'm a mix of marks surv full glass rn and completely fine in all encounters. even safer now that I have FD.
there has been a problem with ppl whispering and harassing ppl that just died because they saw their death in the deathlog, it's probably not just because you played a hunter. don't take it personally and just report them.
Efficient? Survival does no damage last time I checked beast mastery and MM were way better for leveling... so unless you're a noob who can't survive despite feign death and hunter being literally the best class to kite...
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When I played Vanilla Classic, I played only a Survival hunter. I engaged the mobs in combat all the time. It was a revelation to me to know that other hunter specs have the pet do all the fighting. LOL
Same. I went survival on my hunter in 2019.
Hardcore. This is for Hardcore. In Vanilla when you was playing for sure you¨ve died a million times to 60.....
To be fair, at least for beast mastery it would make sense, YOU'RE THE BEAST MASTER AFTER ALL! For Marksmanship, I dunno, sure the pet would do a lot of work, but I'd imagine that the focus would still be more on the hunter doing the heavy damage.
Setting your pet to passive. I never played Hunter, but as a warlock, I endorse this tip.
That's not even close to true
You heavily under sold parry. It doesn't just stop their attack but finishes your remaining swing making slow 2h really good on survival hunters.
"After a successful parry, the defender's "swing timer" is reduced by 40% of your weapon speed (or even reset)"
"thus parry favors slower, higher damage weapons."
As survival, while leveling, using immolation trap before pulling an enemy adds a ton more dps, especially for those strong mobs one might pull.
Even without being sv having an extra damage ability down before pull is going to give u more dps
@wowprobeast7543 well laying damage traps is kind of useless as BM cuz all the mobs are gonna be where your pet is, at a distance. Buut it's always a good idea to lay down a freezing trap that you may or may not need
@@tremolo6940 not always, you can easily have ur pet get aggro and put it to passive making it come back to you thus mob gets trapped or u start with pulling mob to you or over the trap then letting pet get aggro
@wowprobeast7543 that's definitely gonna be slower than just sending your pet at it and blasting it with ranged, if you're BM
@@tremolo6940 ofc, but point being you still get traps as bm, surv is just ineffective compared
Finally a video of someone playing the game, actually trying different mechanics, and then making them work. So many people are copy-pasta, it's insane!
2:48 The extremely easy to find lvl 7-8 Durotar Tiger has 1.3 sec attack speed.
Actual good info thanis
Hunter has most deaths because people think its easy but what they fail to realise is you have a huge agro radius with your pet and you don’t control the path your pet takes so you will get into some sticky situations
it literally is the easiest class. The reason why so many hunter die is also because it is the most chosen class
@@lirumlarum9592thank you
@@lirumlarum9592yes, and because its the easiest some of the least skilled Players choose hunter and die pretty early.
I’ve died in mid 20s on a Tauren and dwarf hunters both due to hyper-respawns in a bunker and in hillsbrsd building. Time to try survival spec and not suck.
@@lirumlarum9592that explains the absolute number of deaths but not the low percentage of hunters getting to 60.
This is kind of funny. On my first hunter ever back in vanilla, I didn't really know about pet abilities and therefore didn't know about growl. So this was basically how I played it up until like level 30 before I bored of it. Kind of neat seeing the playstyle actually be a legitimate way of leveling up on hardcore classic now.
Survival was my spec in original WoW, and it was fun! Thanks for the talent advice for Hardcore!
The YT algorithm really liked this one. Good luck on your content creation brother
slept on vid, very useful content!
Glad it helped!
I melee all the time, do you know how expensive arrows are?
this video, your channel and your content making abilities are extremely underrated sir. you should make a video like this for every class :)
Thank you so much! I am just getting started and still learning about content creation. I do have some ideas about other classes as well!
Of course feigning death for too long will kill you... your body can only operate with an ultra-slowed heart beat for so long 😅
I'm currently doing the hc nightmare hunter challenge. No pet, no ranged weapons. Almost lvl 30.
How did it go?
@Onimyst real life got in the way and haven't done much with it since then. Lvl 32, but hopefully this winter I will get more time.
@@alfavhunter7010did you get more time?
@tclfan0180 a little but not much due to holiday madness. Lvl 34 so far.
I think survivalist gives you good tools for hardcore. It’s not going to be as fast at power leveling as BM, or have as high a dps for dungeons and raids as MM..
but when shit hits the fan, it’s probably safer in a lot of situations, especially solo
To be honest... I love this!
Chill video and quality content 👌
Thanks!
I never really thought of playing a hunter in HC before watching this video, thanks, probably my next alt.
Great video! Good balance between humour and information
I'm planning on playing survival hunte rin SoD... with Lone Wolf and other runes I'm hoping for more of a melee hunter build. Super excited
I love my little boar. He never says no to what I try to feed him.
I found one thing my boar wouldn’t eat, senginn root which is a food you get from a quest in silverpine
I think a better pet for that playstile are bats and owls because they have a high dmg modifier and they have screech which is basically a demo shout for you since u gonna be the one getting hit
Thats total fun, thanks for the inspiration
Wow really interesting video! keep doing your thing :D
Thank you! I am working on the next one!
i wasgetting bored playing my 42 warr, starting new hunter alt after stumbling upon this video tyvm!
I tried this and will never EVER play ranged hunter again. It's so much better playing melee hunter since I have my pet taunt while I SHRED the mob from the back. Since I'm hitting from the back, my attacks rarely get parried. Melee hunter game play is a GAME CHANGER! Thanks for making this video. Liked and subbed.
Hitting it from the back is BiS.
@@MikeRedcorntrue, and real.
Been about 6 days since you commented, dead yet?
He's still a ranged Hunter in this video; he's just employing melee weaving.
You can level as melee as you want but it will be much, much less effective.
If you facetank retal with deterrence. Doesn't parry haste make the enemie's retal boost your damage?
I'd think a wolf pet would be great for this build as it would buff your melee hits with its howl
Cd on the ability is like 10 seconds, tough it is effective if you got aimed shot opener.
Neah, just go BM, stick with a single weapon type and keep it leveled up, also level up defense. You can comfortable do quests 2-3 levels higher and stay away from danger. In HC you WANT to be Donkey.
hunTARD build
A good hunter goes from passive, defensive, or aggressive as needed to increase pet damage in 5 man. You might also want to consider changing target just before the npc dies to maintain 100% damage up time.
Currently playing a hunter in HC. It's the class I played most and have the best chance at hitting 60 on. I would have 100% died to feign death though, if I hadn't of watched this. I'm the kinda guy that would use it and AFK just for a gimmick
I didn’t know either and I’ve been playing since 2008.
Seems to me like the first solo leveling builds back in Vanilla at the end of open beta/starting of vanilla.
You've truly earned a sub here
Good video! Subbed today.
Thanks a lot!
What stats do you prefer. I playing agi/spirit. Is agi/int better or even agi/stam?
I went with agi/stam and it felt good in combat. Solid damage and ability to face mobs, but I had to drink a lot as mana was going fast. Spirit is nice as well, I tried to add some spirit after those primary stats just to reduce the time in between taking mana breaks.
my very first character was a melee hunter back in the vanilla release-date days. played it to 24 or so then went priest. my pet bear was named stinky.
rolling one as we speak, love the idea mate
entrapment is the most important talent in surv tree and u skipped it. the proc chance is ridicilous and u can take down really hard quests by just kiting em in frost trap. also helps alot in dungs preventing mobs from fleeing cuz the chance of snare for 5 sec is pretty hugh
Does Entrapment for Immolation / Explosion Trap only trigger on the initial tick, or on subsequent damage ticks as well? Asked this in the Hunter Discord but got no answer
Small rant with good info, lmao
I don't know what you people mean by hunters having their pets do all the fighting, this must be jealous trolling because it holds zero truth, The best BM does not even do that, in fact at level 40 go fight a level 40 humanoid mob and just send in your pet, I bet my savings account if the pet does end up winning it takes like 5 min and you will have to heal the pet or it will die. In fact, if the hunter does not engage the enemy the pet will die. Even with the best BM hunter the pet at best is doing 20% of total damage to an enemy in a battle. That is on the high side. Even sending your cat with the best DPS, well cat and raptor, send in your level 40 cat on a level 40 cat mob or another animal. your pet will win, even without healing but it will take a long time, and it will only win by a small margin about 15% more health left than the mob. So no, the pet does not do the DPS or fighting for the hunter not even in BM spec.
What does the pet do then in BM, it holds aggro that is what it does. it does not do high DPS or total damage it holds aggro so (you) can do high DPS or total damage. So anyone that claims the pet does the fighting is just a f**king m0r0n.
Does a tank do all the fighting for a group? because that is what you are saying, What you are saying is why go into a dun with 5 people, the tanks do all the fighting. The tank does 100% the same thing for a group as the pet does for the BM or MM hunter it holds aggro.
Survival is not a melee spec, not even close. can you get away with fighting like this guy in the video? yes. not in the end game, and not if the mobs you are taking on are one or more levels higher than you.
For instance, at level 44 I was taking on level 49 and even 50 mobs. The only way I can do that is if my pet can hold aggro. I must stay under my pet's aggro meter or I will die. In survival, if you go running in all melee on a mob 5 or higher you are dead without question. Yes, you might get away with it in the perfect setting but on average you are dead.
Remember hunters, you melee weapon skill, two-hand ax or sword whatever it is. should always be capped or close to it as you lvl, if not you are not playing the hunter to its fullest capabilities. Don't get me wrong, you do you, there is no right way to play this game, but there is a best practice, and keeping your melee skills caps is best practice.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Survival spec. however, it is terrible practice to play it like a worrier, and go all melee, if you must go melee get in get out, and back into range, This is not only good practice for PvE but the skill you gain will help in PVP big time. for example, I melee weave no matter my spec, bm, mm, or sv Melee weaving is good gameplay as a hunter. With all that does. yes, with a good SV build if two hunters got caught up in melee and could not get out, the SV hunter would have the best chance, kind of, a good BM build can melee as well. Sometimes when I want to get my melee weapon skill level caught back up I will melee only, I will Serpent sting one auto shot and melee the rest of the fight. So that skill is not SV only, where I can not do that is if more than one mob is on me, or if the mob is a higher level than me, if I pull aggro I will be dead, dead I tell you dead. LOL.
Great, level-headed advice. A lot of this video and comment section is people coping to try to make melee Hunter a thing.
BM is the way to go if you ACTUALLY wanna make it to 60
You can make it to 60 on literally anything if you play it safe.
Very good video…When people ask me about survival spec, I always say “Think Legolas”….melee weaving archer
I played a beast spec hunter but I never shied away from melee and getting in the middle of pvp. Granted I was never on a hardcore server.
Hi and thx for this video. I was main hunter in vanilla playing survival and will do it again here. But I would like to ask you if leatherworking to make good leather clothes instead of engineering is a good alternative or if engineering is still better for the hc experience
Hey! In terms of survivability engineering is the best profession for HC. You might be able to make some more gold with LW and maybe craft some gear later on. It depends on your play style really, I personally like to use the bombs in combat and have that target dummy escape plan ready.
@@SeawulfTVI will follow your advice and will try engineering 👍
We will be unique compared to the mass.
And what about gameplay in dungeon ? Do you stay at distance ? Or do you go CAC too as well like when questing ?
It depends on the group in dungeons, if I feel like we have a strong group I might take advantage of the Raptor Strike crits and try to use it on cooldown. If it's not the case it might be safe to just keep distance and mainly dps with the ranged attacks.
@@xtadeus4777 engineering can also make guns and better ammo so it can be good for hunters anyway even if not playing hardcore.
@@leinonibishop9480 I took engineering 👍 My hunter is level 15
You should get improved aspect of the monkey as well.
Thank you for hyping survival but as survival hunter myself, apologise but your advices are weak...
. No, you want to train growl, the point of survival is not tanking mobs, but have more escape opportunities. Growl can be as well key saver in multiple mobs pulls.
. No, you want to command your pet to attack first, and threat first. Get familiar with CTRL+1 Key
. A boar may be better than a cat, as it can root and charge generates the most threat. As survival pulls more agroo from the pet, the boar can keep agroo for long at initial puls. Also an escape tool.
. AGAIN, NO, you do not want to melle dps as survival... this just promoting the bad reputation survival hunters have. The point of melle habilities in survival are to allow you to escape faster in situations mobs get at melle range and make use of the time they are in melle range to also keep damage. That is also why you have Wing Clip and Counterattack. To escape and SURVIVE!
You are wrong…the point of melee abilities is to weave…l2p
I run the build and playstyle a little differently, but I agree with about 90% of what you're saying. Survival is the way to go.
Mainly, I focus on ranged a bit more than you, and I DO pick up [Taunt], but I also use [Distracting Shot] a lot. The idea is for neither you nor your pet to tank.
Again, though, I agree with about 90% of what you're saying. [Aspect of the Monkey] is the way to go. Survival is the way to go, it's literally in the name.
I would go further to say that you should spend extra time to only HUNT beasts. [Scare Beast] is as good as Warlock's Fear, if you're fighting beasts. If your quests are looking a little dangerous, just HUNT beasts nonstop for 1 whole level. HUNT. It's literally in the name; HUNTer.
I am not sure I understand your spell rotation for a mob of even level or level+1? Also with growl off what are you doing when you pull 2?
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Basically,
Concussive Shot, then start kiting and shooting. Have your pet attack after you start shooting. Continue to Kite and shoot, stopping only for a split second for autos. Use a swing timer for this.
If the mob gets near you, manually have your pet taunt. Get a little distance, then use distracting shot to pull it off your pet. Kite and kill.
@@VegetoStevieD so if your kiting all the time why are you going survival?
@@nihsumi Because things don't always go as planned.
I go Survival / Marks, personally.
I think intimidate, the only stun a hunter can have, is just too strong. So a hybrid BM-surv is the best. Your tips are very good, you should lvl up your defense and melee skills too, they are really important.
That's why you roll a Tauren, to get that racial stun.
@@robertb67ah yes I can stun enemy’s in melee range where they shouldn’t be anyways.
@@wowprobeast7543 You're on a survival hunter video, replying to a comment about a melee playstyle, suggesting that a melee hunter should never be in melee range. Y'all classic mains are wild.
@@heyzeus7783came to say this.
@@wowprobeast7543ah yes you have the reading and visual comprehension of a newt.
Thanks for the feign death knowledge 😊
Admire your video, very helpful.
in hardcore, teach Growl it could protect you when not if you DC.
No. 1 reason to play survival hunter is the reduction of resisting feign death. This is the reason why I don't understand, why no one plays it.
Can’t resist feign if u don’t have to use it
I agree. 👍
[Improved Feign Death] and [Surefooted] are key.
Hit chance is so good. You don't want your [Wing Clip] or [Concussive Shot] to miss when it counts, which is why [Surefooted] is OP, especially with the reduction of movement impairing abilities tacked on as a bonus.
[Feign Death] especially, MUST work. If it's resisted, you are screwed, because you only use it when you NEED it to work. [Improved Feign Death] is probably the best talent a Hunter can have for HC, as you alluded to. [Surefooted] comes in 2nd place for similar reasons, and they're both right there next to each other.
Definitely, all hunter hc compilation deaths you see are essentially because of feign death resists occur, so the 2/2 Imp Feign Death is HUGE (if you ain't a "fighting red mobs Andy"
@@VegetoStevieD in HC you shouldnt be in many situations from 1-60 that requires FD. Using FD is like your saying "Please God save me!" This means you have used your heal pot, Target Dummy, WingClip failed, distracting shot failed and some others I am prob forgetting. Survival is something you should do on a non-HC server.
@@nihsumi
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No. When you need it, you NEED it.
in pvp survival hunters are the last thing I wanted to find in a bg as a rogue; makes really fun pvp matchups esp compared to aimshot kiting
Haha yeah, survival makes the match up against rogues more manageable! It also shines against most melee classes.
is there a reason why you choose tauren over orc for example?
I personally like taurens, my first ever char was a tauren and I'm a big fan since Warcraft 3. I also used to pvp back in the day and loved the stun plus HP boost. I know that other classes might have slightly better racials for certain situations but I'm not into min maxing that much.
The Orc pet damage bonus is appeals to the HunTARD playstyle, as it could only be placed into the Beast Mastery category. The +5 to axes is pretty good, but overall, I find Orcs to be superficial beyond their value on paper.
@@SeawulfTV i see, me too i do prefer tauren, but sometimes i tell myself i have to play other race for some variety. but yea since once i finish hardcore my character go straight into pvp server i might roll survival tauren. i'll see.
orc is mostly appeling for weapon bonus for melee and for pvp stun resist@@VegetoStevieD
@@aldofer8832 Ya, I mentioned the +5 to axes, but yes, stun resist for PvP is certainly a major reason people roll Orc. True.
Beastmastery - lazy levelling, pet does the heavy lifting.
Survival - over complicating gameplay with the need to fully utilize your traps play. But has great tools to avoid death.
Marksmanship- maximum hunter damage but requires good threat management and high awareness to your surroundings.
not sure what you see in the surv tree that would be better tbh
just the imp revive pet makes bm better
also, I find it funny that it's 2024, and hunter players STILL haven't figured out they have 2 hp pools, and 2attack styles, yet. Oh well, some day.
This was my favorit way to level as a hunter back in Vanilla, i did it twice because of a server/faction swap with friends
I just played marksman and didnt have any issues
Wow thanks for the tip about FD will kill you if you leave it up full duration, im new to hunter and never knew that. I can just see me goin AFK in town or somthin and FD for shits n giggs and dying 😂
played a survival spec melee only hunter. pretty fun
can you play it on night elf hunter ? i saw u cant use axes there but is it still good?
You can train axes in Ironforge.
Id still recommend teaching your pet taunt and keybinding it so you can pull something off you in an emergency
Can you play Night Elf hunter with the same strat
Sure, the race is not that important.
i saw u cant use axes on night elf but is it still good with daggers?@@SeawulfTV
this is completely unnecessary though if you just find some trash mobs to level your defense every 3 levels or so, alliance has rats in Tram station that can be aggroed with concussion shot and Horde can do the same in wailing caverns dungeon by aggroing the small snakes by the instance, you never have to worry about crushing blows if you do this every 3 levels or so. Having the pet tank and the Hunter stay at range is always the best, playing any other way is just gimping your character.
great vid
Great video ^^
You go BM until 40 then 20 points into survival. You stay this spec until you’re finished with pre bis farming and 60 dungeons. If you want to raid you have to go 40 points into Marksmen. Depending on your hit you can now go 20 points in survival or 20
Points in BM
This is not a meme, it's actually a superior spec. I think some nerd kid with a spread sheet decided in 2006 that there was a threshold for agility, and that myth has been around for 15+ years. IT IS A LIE. I would out dps better geared MM hunters and they would continue to call me noob for playing SV. People are that dumb and stuck on the cookie cutter shit.
One of the big disappointments of SV is the Mongoose Bite, but outside of that, it's nothing but amazing.
Survival is great for world leveling, PvP and as far as Hardcore goes - nothing is better than SV when it comes to "oh shit" moments.
I created a new hunter after watching this video, it's so funny... now I don't want to play with my BM hunter anymore 🤣
Why not wolf for Furious Howl?
The wolf can be a solid choice for this build, butI wanted to try out the wind serpent as his lightning breath does nature damage, and it can help diversify my damage output, as some mobs can have a lot of armor.
immortal hunter guide. step one play hunter. step two use your eyes.
Good video Sir
Hey, thanks!
You need 2 h stave for sure. Especially on horde
Kind of disappointed I never tried this even after I learned melee hunter was a thing way back in the day.
I NEED cheetah run though
"Ha ha bestial wrath goes brrrrr"
- 99% of hardcore hunters before wipe.
people should use the build they want to
Imagine kiting Majordomo without improved FD on HC x.x
Chad Hunter
Melee hunter on wotlk feels so much better with the updated mongoose strike
You must be a moron if you play melee Hunter in WotLK.
Can't tell if this guide is serious or just a meme. survival hunter is unfinished like other classes for example druid. BM hunter makes more sense for leveling - it increases the dmg of your pet so it makes it more easier to let him tank
been leveling survival with entrapment and shit feels op at times
Damg i wish i saw this video before hitting 10. Ive just been pulling aggro off my pet to level my defense lol
My man really said "with some creativity." 🤣My guy you frost trapped it which you should have done the first time.
So if you want to Survive you play Survival, seems logical. 🤔😂
I'm not down with this. This build does not allow you to face tank elites. BM until beastial wrath and then go survival has higher dmg and survivability. Play what u wanna play but this is a niche build for more adapt players wanting a different experience.
Yes, ofc you can't face tank elites, in that case if it's a melee elite, you just kite it with Cheetah. If you suddenly fuck up something, Survival Tree does help a lot with surviving cause of Deflection, Imp Wing Clip, Deterrence, CA and Surefooted talent. You can still start off my having your pet tank the elite (melee/ranged) and do lower DPS to not pull aggro from your pet, if the time comes that your pet will die, you can kite it or yeet. BM is good for preventing stuff to go wrong if you're playing right and you're 100% controlling the situation down to the last detail. But where HC really differs from normal Classic is when THINGS HIT THE FAN, and when that happens, BM doesn't provide you shit besides Intimidation, that's it. Survival does you a lot more when you suddenly get 3-4 mobs on you which your pet can pull off you. That's why I do thing Survival does have it's own merits in Hardcore.
Tbh bro I like the effort for the guide but I disagree and still think bm is way better. Owl pet is best bc good dps and screech op. U do more dps and kill faster if u don’t take damage and just heal ur pet ez, also having a pet that can tank helps a lot more. Also ranged attacks just do more for hunter than melee due to ranged scaling with agi and that’s what we stack. Agi doesn’t give melee atp, melee doesn’t get 10-15% atk speed from quiver. Sv doesn’t have a stun aside from cow but tbh troll or dwarf would be better for hc due to poison clense and haste to kill mob faster. Also using monkey is good but more atp means faster killing. Killing faster means you have less chance to take damage bc the mob dies before it can even hit you 5 times. Bwrath is also a very strong cd to kill stuff faster, also wyvern sting is good until it’s any kind of elemental or rock immune to nature or poison. Also if the pet takes hits for u you can always leave it for dead while u get a head start to reset the mobs
BM IS superior, but only superficially so. It's the supposed superiority that turns Hunters into HunTARDS, unable to deal with a situation that goes awry, because it's simply not built into the playstyle of the BM Huntard to be able to do so.
BM fails at a more intangible level. It makes the player stupid.
agility gives 1 melee attack power per point for hunters
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You're talking about Classic, not Classic HC.
In hardcore, you should level up defense and melee weapon skill even if you go BM. Typically you just let the pet do only white damage, no abilities and chain pull green mobs. This needs to be done every level. There was no need to do this in Vanilla or retail but when dying is not an option...
How would it be in pvp?
I used to play survival back in the day and it was very versatile. You are strong versus most melee classes and you can really surprise casters with some big crits when they try to keep close to you.
I appreciate your effort here. I’ve gotten 2 hunters to 60 HC. But leveling as survival is just pissing in the wind. I’ve seen high naxx gear make use of the 15% agility talent at the bottom, and pre raid spec half way to grab the surefooted 3% hit.
But as for leveling come on now you’re just doing this to be different lol. BM gives you pet the extra damage to where he keeps aggro and ya know you can use your ranged weapon? If you’re in the melee dead zone expect to waste an ungodly amount of time spamming raptor strike . Leveling as survival might be doable but your gonna waste so much more time being a D tier melee at that point. The trap spam is heavy mana usage and waste more time drinking.
I’m looking forward to your arcane solo mage leveling guide next!
Good points. Classic players like to hype up "sleeper builds" without considering the limitations and why they aren't widely picked in the first place.
wait, people are playing hc as BM hunter... wtf, Surv is infinitely safer.
Mate I've made posts on the r/classicwow & /wowhardcore subreddits asking for Surv-spec advice, pre-facing it with "I'm not trying to be a melee hunter" and "I know this isn't considered optimal and BM/MM is king - I'm just doing this for fun" and all I got from people was:
1.) If survival is your key objective, letting your disposable pet tank is safer than you tanking (can't argue with that one tbf)
...And I'm still gonna go hard in Survival 'cause fuckit, it's a game, I want to do something different, and I'm doing solo self-found anyway so I ain't hurtin' nobody. Just my own mentality if I die!
@@hesketh7085 100p, my point was surv has that and a bunch of CDs if your pet dies. the melee portion is the icing on top of all the defensives surv has to offer, that said, atm I'm a mix of marks surv full glass rn and completely fine in all encounters. even safer now that I have FD.
I'm good, last 2 hunters I got a bunch of whispers after I died talking shit about me playing a Hunter.
Don't let toxic players dictate how you play the game, you can easily die in hardcore with any class!
Just done die ez
there has been a problem with ppl whispering and harassing ppl that just died because they saw their death in the deathlog, it's probably not just because you played a hunter. don't take it personally and just report them.
I will have you know I tanked on a hunter and guess what! IT FUCKING WORKS besides the threat gen :(
bro you are doing 0 damage
Hunter is best scalling class in the game right now with insane dodge and parry chance. U cal also go night elf to counter casters
Efficient? Survival does no damage last time I checked beast mastery and MM were way better for leveling... so unless you're a noob who can't survive despite feign death and hunter being literally the best class to kite...
Sounds like fun but I gotta work on my AoE Mage until 60...
No thanks, BM too op.
mentinoing classic + like its going to be a thing, pls no, or im going back to wow and i already know i dont have time for that ...
Ironically more difficult than BM. If being different us what gets your rocks off, then go for it. But it’s not good
My question is HTF a Russian get to post this shit in english!
survival spec is horrible to level with- this is just a meme build, nothing more