After hearing Joel Schumacher decided to take the blame for it and not let the crew get hurt by the press though he made a bad movie I think it’s commendable that he defends the people who worked on it and takes the bullet so no one else does
I honestly think he thought he was making a good product. Not ridiculous at all. He just believed (like many, many people do) that comic books are silly child stuff and movies based on them should be equally silly and childish.
if you look at batman forever’s original script, it would have been a great movie, but a lot of it was cut out during editing. idk what happened with batman and robin though lmao
Honestly I think Joel Schumacher made good movies for kids but only in Forever did I notice some deeper themes building visually. As an Adult Forever is kinda decnt to me lol but Batman and Robin I can't stomach to watch again. Still I think all the actors, directors, and producers are exceptional talents; and I recognize chemistry needs to be perfect for a vision to truly come together. Movies are hard yo- Wb
I really think blaming the writer for a bad movie is unfair. It really is the director and producer that makes the decisions. If they thought the script was bad, then they wouldn't use it. Studios have also been known to take good scripts and turn them into garbage, a la Spiderman 3, Thor 2, and pretty much the entire DCEU.
I remember he once said in an interview "They are called 'comic' books, not 'tragic' books, and I think we always need to remember that this is a big pop-culture opera, not Medea." Making everyone wish for a different director...
the irony is comics are more serious then campy. Even in the 60s comics usually the main ones especially batman was very serious. Im halfway surprised they didnt add the pow etfect after batman punched someone
Elvis completely skipping over the fact that when Bane was planting the bombs he'd literally say "bomb" after putting down each one. I still giggle watching that.
Absolutely adorable. Bane was perfect in this movie, (for this kind of iteration) I just wish he had more screen time. Of course I like the dark knight one more, but these are two different characters going for two different things, and I love them. Bane is just a great character and I want more of him.
I have massive nostalgia blinders but I've always liked the movies just because of that. He pretty much just wanted to make a really goofy, fun and exaggerated pair of movies and I think he succeeded. It's just the goal itself that people didn't like
Just to give you an idea of how derpy Batman Forever was, my 1995 dad wouldn’t allow me to mimic Riddler Jim Carrey because it was “too gay” at the time. It was a glorious time to be rebellious.
@@KalisShort Not really. Joel Schumacher is gay, and he pretty openly did things to the movies that reflected that. Such as the memed "bat-nipples and bat-codpieces".
@@idrinkrawmilk554 Gay people have always existed and will always exist. Before colonization many cultures were accepting of gay people. What I'm trying to say is: shut up and deal with it you bigoted snowflake. I'm gay and there's nothing you can do about it. Cry a little more.
I think WB was lucky that Batman: The Animated Series and Batman Beyond were on the air to preserve the franchise while the movies went downhill and they kept Batman out of theaters for 8 years.
I think I was about 8 when I saw it in the cinema and the scene where Robin hung his clothes up to dry was the most memorable part and it had a real effect on me at the time. I was always a messy kid and oblivious to the benefits of tidying up but I also always harboured a secret fear of losing my family and used to have nightmares about it. The scene comes after Robin loses his family, and he shows Alfred that he's independent and capable and still moving forward just when he's being looked at as a victim. 8 year old me was very proud of him and the memory became a small touchstone for a developing mind and I hoped that I could be that strong and just carry on getting little things done for myself and survive if I found myself alone in the world. Being more present and more tidy and organised and doing inane things for myself because they needed doing helped to make me more capable of dealing with the dreams.
I mostly knew Ivy from the 90's comics and cartoon where she was more on the stoic and measured side... so THIS version kinda took me by surprise due to the ham and cheese XD !
As goofy as it is, I always get a little misty-eyed whenever Freeze takes out the glowing vials and says, "Take two of these, and call me in the morning." His love for his wife Nora and his desperation to find a cure for her disease are the only additions to his lore that no adaption, no matter how stupid, could ruin.
"What killed the dinosaurs? THE ICE AGE!" Is such a dumb line, delivered so perfectly. I mean, that's just factually wrong, Mr. Freeze. Can't just take credit for the work that asteroid did.
but the asteroid didn't kill the dinosaurs, i mean, it probably killed some by falling on their heads. What killed the dinosaurs is the giant scale chain reaction due to the asteroid impact, provoking volcanos to erupt in mass and then the climate going on a winter so long no big vegetation or dinosaur could survive (besides toxic ammounts of volcanic ash all over the place) , herbibores got sick and/or died, then carnivores ate those sick dinosaurs and died too, not counting the harsh unforgiving climate. Somethings for sure, the winter effect had nothing to do with the ice age , most probably not, that's because scientists could document several ice ages trough years, but couldn't get as far as to determine if there was a greenhouse effect during dinosaur times or if one was relatred to their exctinction. Who knows, maybe Arnie was right, Maybe, mr Freeze knew something we don't. This dumb 90's movie needs further investigation.
For all the problems these movies had, as ive gotten older i can appreciate them more - i love this version of gotham with all the weird art deco neon light shit going on, i love the hammy acting and how over the top it all is
@@JDoe-gf5oz dude, you’re like the only person in the world who actually liked that movie… which is fine, I’m not telling you you can’t like it. But don’t try to tell me what style I like and don’t like ok
I actually like Val Kilmer's Bruce Wayne more, since I always think Wayne is rather cold and jaded billionaire, probably even dead inside. I just thought Clooney's Wayne was too smiley and sweet instead of brooding. Mr. Freeze were really painful, but my oh my Poison Ivy is probably one of the best Batman villain ever IMO!
Bob Kane is not the real creator of Batman. He made the name and idea of a guy in a suit, which was a red suit with a domino mask and actual bat wings. The real creator is Bill Finger, he made the real lore behind Batman- the suit, the gadgets, the city, all of the stuff we've come to know, love, and associate with Batman. Bill never gets the credit he deserves
I remember watching the Bill Finger documentary on Hulu and its so sad how his entire family was basically forgotton in history until that man was so dedicated to getting the truth out that he was able to track down the granddaughter of Bill Finger
A name means fuckin nothing. to this day Bob Kane pisses me off, especially seeing documentaries on blurays about how genius he was. Bill should be co creator only with jerry robinson. would be the same if some hack came up with the name "star wars" in the 70s, then Lucas created everything, but got no credit for it before dying alone and forgotten.
when asked to do a painting of Batman, of which he had many he boasted about, he couldnt do it on the spot. he hired someone to do it. Bob Kane was a sleasy business man who hired creatives to work for him and then took sole credit.
It has to be said that Joel Schumacher was an absolute G of a person with him standing up for his coworkers. Plus the dude was in general a super underrated director imo. RIP
The scenes between Jim Carrey and TLJ are even better when you know it was just a giant pissing contest between the two of trying to one-up each other.
You got to hand it to Schumacher. He really comes off as a class act. He owns these movies. Made the movies he wanted to make and is sorry if people felt disappointed. Doesn't blame fans, doesn't blame the cast, defends the writer, Takes all responsibility. Defends pretty much everyone besides himself. These movies... are not good. I think he went for something that didn't work out. He's made good movies, just not these two.
@@Psychedelicgothicpink I saw Falling Down in the theater, when it came out, and recently watched it again. It's a great movie, thanks to a tight script, solid direction and an amazing performance by Douglas. I Haven't see rampage yet. Is that the one based on the 80's arcade game? Or am I thinking of postal? Please let me know if you think either are worth checking out :) Cheers
I think the reason Alfred liked the new robin so much is cause Alfred is an insane workaholic and he took one look at that weird goblin manchild and said "Yes, I'll be busy for YEARS cleaning up after this one". Edit - "Don't fret, I'll always have something in the works" Is both threatening AND reassuring.
It's actually pretty funny when a guy fighting crime in a bat costume, fighting a guy with an ice gun and a plant-woman hybrid isn't considered serious enough. It's all absurd, really. Not that I'm disagreeing with it's awfulness, it's just funny on an ironic level
I think it has to do with the films being comedic then it is that the execution was botched. The 60s show is a complete parody of the original comics, and people love that show. The Schumacher films tried to do that, but mixed in the dark aesthetic of Burton, modern pop culture and weird sexual themes and it rubbed people the wrong way.
Schumacher was such a legend for taking the heat on everything. I honestly believe he was handcuffed into making a toy commercial and just tried to make it fun for the audience.
I love how villains had escape contraptions built into places they don't own. Like did he have a construction/engineering crew in there a month earlier building an explosive-proof saferoom under the circus arena? It reminds me of that Batman Returns movie where Penguin takes an actual elevator out of the sewers in front of everyone. Who the fuck is building this shit, and even if it was built by someone else previously, how are they controlling it?
my mother was crazy about Val Kilmer and other heart throbs from that era, so we went to see these a few times...there was applause for the butt/crotch shots. lol just some 90s mom thirst nostalgia
I've really come around to loving these movies. I saw Batman & Robin in theatres as a kid, and loved it. I think as the years go on and see things in the present we don't like, we end up enjoying things from our past more.
Very true! I also watched this at the cinema as a kid with my mum and brothers. It feels attached to happy times. I have always loved these films.I get bored when it's all just dark and dreary I think these were great fun!
i like the theory that the reason batman & robin is more wacky and odd is because the riddler literally took a big chunk of the IQ from the people of gotham so everything is dumber and makes less sense
Elvis, in continuing the Nicolas Cage saga, you've got to check out the Astro Boy 2009 film. Never before have I seen such a nonsensical children's plot balanced with such dark themes - and Nic does some spectacular voice acting in it.
I love those types of movies. With a whimsical plot about a character becoming a hero or going to a magical place, only for the much darker themes to show the real colors of the film. Just like Return to Oz or Coraline, god I love those films.
41:31 one thing you probably didn't notice here: Bane gets send to get Freezes stuff Runs through the entire building Cut to Ivy and Freeze with BANE IN FRON OF THE DOOR Cut back to Bane packing everything and running back So Bane ran through the building, forgot what he was doing, ran back, saw Freeze and rembered, ran to his destination and packed the crap in the cart. It probably is just an editing mistake, but the "Bane is dum" version is hilarious.
As a kid, my mom didn't let me watch any batman films... except for these two. She didn't have a real reason why she didn't let me watch Dark Knight or the Tim Burtons, but I just watched these two the most. They may be dumpster fires, but damn are they kinda nostalgic.
@@FafuchessNothing wrong with TDK trilogy. After these shit movies I didn't even want to watch Batman Begins and TDK because I assumed they're just crap. I missed quite a lot
8MM is one of the darkest movies I’ve seen, because of the honest, mundane and exquisitely-cruel nature that it describes exist within humanity. And Nick Cage is amazing as a troubled and modern-day noir actor, the antithesis of is “classic Cage.”
15:00 I think Dick was intentionally trying to get in the cave here. Earlier in the movie Alfred told Dick that this room was the only room in the entire mansion he wasn't allowed in. He was using his ninja monkey skills to try to get into the room before the door shut behind Alfred. Feels more like Dick being a curious little kitty than a "he just happened to land in the Batcave" thing. Super minor but I had to show my super sick paying attention to the movie skills to Mr. The Alien.
When looking back at Batman forever and The Batman,comparing the Riddler I think Jim Carrey could’ve played a good riddler but I think it was just too much on being goofy, you had Jacks Joker for example who was goofy but also dark at the same.
Ig being working with someone who outright told hate working with him did affect him lose some self awareness to not go too goofy Though he's still one of more better character from batman forever
The batsuit isn’t all that strange when you consider the hyper-sexualization you see of women in movies by straight male directors. Dude just thought it was hot and we’re not used to seeing a gay director do the eroticizing we’re otherwise used to in mainstream movies.
So if he adds bat nipples that makes him automatically gay? What a dumb argument lmao, maybe it was just a design choice, or he did it to even out the sexualization of the females
That was literally the first thing I thought. And it's sad that I also thought he was from California. He went to school there and grew up in NY had sex with over 20k men. Yeah.
Dick "landing his ass in the Batcave" wasn't a mistake. He was up on the 3rd floor so Alfred would think Dick wouldn't be able to follow behind him, then Dick did the routine and slid into the silver closet to beat the door closing. He didn't know it was the Batcave, but he was very curious about why that was the only locked door. Elvis is so entertaining, and it's disappointing that he missed something that I realized when I saw this in the theatre when I was 14 years old. Edit: Wait wait wait wait. Elvis prefers George Clooney to Val Kilmer? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. I don't know if I'll ever recover from this betrayal.
No mention that Arnold REFUSED to shave his head so he wore a skincap which in certain frames is incredibly noticeable? Kind of like how the 60s Joker never shaved his mustache.
That comment from Shumacher about loving a movie means you have to be thankful to over 100 people who made it possible, but if you hate it just blame the director, since that is why their names are there, is so wholesome. As janky and campy as they are, I have fond memories of them, and even rewatch them. They remind me of the joy of being a kid when you don't have to worry about every little thing making sense and just enjoying the experience.
As I've always said while Val Kilmer played Batman like Bruce Wayne was cosplaying as Batman, George Clooney played both Batman and Bruce Wayne as if he was George Clooney. There was no difference in his portrayal of either. Say what you want about Michael Keaton in the role, he nailed both the Bruce Wayne and Batman sides of the character's personality.
Missing Fact: According to Val (of Last year), He was genuinely disappointed being on set. Nor the dreams of being Batman, all little more than an act (Val mentions how the suit was very uncomfortable to wear , like what Keaton wore in the first two.)
Hot take: I think Val Kilmer is the best on screen portrayal of the character to date. The voice was perfect, the personality traits were great, and his Bruce Wayne was praised for a reason.
Oprah Winfrey did an interview with Arnold, Clooney and O'Donnell for Batman & Robin when the movie came out. Arnold made a joke and O'Donnell did a really mocking laugh and Clooney bumped him to tell him to stop. I don't think O'Donnell likes Arnold. For some reason, that has stayed with me for 25 years.
As a kid, I loved these, saw nothing wrong with them. And then I grew up and realized there was a bat credit card and built in ice skates and bad Mr Freeze puns😂
My ex once met Chris O'Donnell in 2001 while working on Boca Grande at a resort, this particular gig was catering for a wedding that Chris happened to be a guest of. My ex loved the Batman films and Chris was probably the most notable person he had encountered while working there. Anyway, he had occasion to speak with him at some point when Chris approached the banquet table he was taking care of, and so my ex said to him "Hey, you're Chris O'Donnell right?" and Chris said "yeah I am, what's your name?" to my ex replied totally deadpan "I'm Batman." My ex was just trying to be silly, and so he was taken completely aback when Chris shot him a dirty look and said "ya haha real funny, fuck you man" and walked away.. So I guess maybe making those movies was an embarrassment to him by that point.. I think he thought he was being insulted, but that wasn't the intent behind it. Or maybe he was just having a bad night, who knows. He pretty much faded into obscurity not long after the early 00's anyway. I love these movies tho, they are cheesy and fun as hell.
My favorite thing about these movies is that Joel probably designed one of the best on screen Gotham aesthetics ever. the scale, grandiose buildings, the over the top + art deco & gothic architecture along with all the neons it's like cyberpunk Batman without any of the cyber, it dazzled me as a kid & its the prime reason I revisit these movies, it goes banana's on an OLED TV and i know for sure Arkham Knight took inspiration from it cuz a lot of the designs felt nostalgic to me. But i have never and will never give Joel Schumacher any flack for making these movies. As bad as they are i can find enjoyment in watching them & he said himself he didn't mean to make a bad movie he only wanted to entertain and that i was lol. Not to mention it became precursor to some the best Batman movies that have become classics. It's wild to think we got Batman Begins only 8 years after this debacle.
joel Schumacher seems like a good guy. he stood up for his crew, and took all the blame. im betting he was cool to work with. its a shame he received so much hate for these movies. i loved them as a kid. and now as an adult,i still think they are a lot of fun. movies can be bad, but its important that they aren't boring. and they are far from boring. i cant believe batman and robin was listed as the worst movie ever made by someone. especially when "bobby z," and "in the name of the king" exist. (those are the only 2 movies ive ever watched that i had to turn off and never finished.) and joel Schumacher is 100% capable of making genuinely good/well made movies. falling down is one of the best movies ever in my opinion. and 8mm is really good too. im glad his batman movies exist.
Honestly I really enjoyed these movies growing up. I loved how it made Batman campy and fun, kind of like the older batman cartoons. I have a lot of nostalgia and love for these two crappy films, maybe its cause the outfits....it's probably the outfits...
Batman Forever will always be a guilty pleasure. Because of Jim Carrey's amazing campy Riddler, and Tommy Lee Jones trying to keep up with him, but failing upwardly. His performance is so stilted, it's funny to me.
idk why they ever woulda thought tommy lee jones would be the right guy for the job, even as a kid I coulda told you the guy was phoning it in and not trying lol
So true. Before the Nolan trilogy, this was my favorite Batman movie since it gave both heroes and villains an equal amount of screen time. Plus, Tommy Lee Jones was more Dick Dastardly than Two Face.
There’s no such thing guilty please people guilty pleasure to please other people opinions what movies are likable no such thing as guilty pleasure if you like it that’s good, other people don’t like it screw them as long you like it
Man aside from all its faults, it is still nice to see these behind the scenes clips seeing all the sets. If these movies were made today, behind the scenes would just be nothing but a sea of green.
Fun fact; Merridian''s office is the same building as the Red Circle Club in John Wicke. The exterior is the Surrogate’s Court and the interior of the Red Circle Club in that film is the former ballroom of the Edison Ballroom from The Godfather where Luca Brassi is killed..The Edison Hotel still exists mind you but the ballroom has been split off and now has different owners who use it from private events.
Batman forever still is my favorite Batman movie. I love the cheesiness of it and the fact it doesn't take itself seriously, it's just so entertaining. I still laugh out loud at the dialogue in this movie
Reminds me of the street fighter Raul Julia when he knew his life was coming to an end and took the role of his sons favorite character. Val Kilmer I hope pulls through.
its hard to forgive what he did to batman. This dude set the whole series back almost a decade with this crap he made, he almost ruined the coolest superhero for a whole generation.
I gotta say I think Kilmer was the Andrew Garfield of the Bat-men in that if he'd have been given a better script he could've been the best Bruce Wayne ever. There's leaked footage of deleted scenes that would've allowed his emotional vacancy to pay off as he finally opens up to himself and confronts his feelings and guilt - the title "Forever" was chosen as the movie would've followed his struggle and finally conviction that he'd be Batman, forever. But a lot of it was meddled with by execs and producers after they got so burned from the reception to Returns
28:28 Not even gonna lie, by the end of it I was in tears. I'd say they'd need to chill out with the puns, but cool of them to go all in. (Especially since they're delivered by Arnie who just... embraces the cheese)
Two-Face is a very compelling character in the comics-a former district attorney who made it his personal mission to take care of crime in Gotham in a whole new way. I have no idea what the Two-Face in this movie is trying.
TLJ only did the movie for his son because two face was his favorite batman character and straight up told a producer he didn't understand the script, alongside the fact that he wasn't used to sharing the screen with another actor and didn't want to be one upped by Jim Carrey which led to him massively overcompensating. His performance in the movie manages to feel both phoned in and wildy over the top at the same time.
These two Batman movies are my guilty pleasure, sure they not like the other ones but it really enjoyable. I watch these a lot more, I do not hate them at all.
Whelp that batman smile is 100% now a meme haha, thank you Elvis for this hidden gem. Love what you do amigo, Whenever I see a new upload I get all giddy. Keep up the amazing work, we are all looking forward to whatever you do next!
I actually like Forever, I think it’s an underrated movie. Sure it’s silly, but unlike Batman and Robin it actually tells an interesting story about Bruce Wayne. It’s one of the better Batman movies if you ask me.
I'm so glad to find someone that agrees with me on that. Rumor is the director's cut was substantially darker in tone with its portrayal of Bruce Wayne. I would've loved to see it tbh
Honestly I love the aesthetics of these movies. They’re so goofy and over the top, and it feels so vibrant. Imagine just being an ordinary citizen in this type of world. I feel like my cup of coffee every morning would have been spiked with acid.
Not gonna lie, I loved both of those movies much more than any iteration of Batman since. It's goofy, fun, has atmosphere, has actually attractive male and female actors in sexy roles and fantastic costumes. Music is also fantastic.
Every single one of these review videos is a gem. I rewatched all of them countless times and everytime a new one comes out it just makes my day a lot better. Thank you for your work and uploads ! ☺️
Elvis' joy talking about the bad movies we all love deep down as a guilty goofy pleasure is always such a great way to escape all the bad & crazy shוte that's been going on in the world since 2020. I watch them when I need to forget about all my problems big & small!
I honestly didn't mind Kilmer as Batman, I think he had a very reserved portrayal but in a way that's good compared to say George Clooney. I can look at Kilmer and think "That's a moody Batman right there" but I can't look at Clooney Batman and think anything other than "Yep, that's George Clooney" I don't think his style entirely meshed with the goofiness of the movies but I dunno, him being all cold and calculated vs Two Face and Riddler just worked for me.
This was also the time when Val Kilmer revealed the massive ego he had. Even the Dark Knight has his ups and downs. Alfred was the only character in these 2 films that was good and even tho Michael Caine is the near perfect Alfred. It was the actor in these films that brought the loving/caring surrogate father-figure that made Alfred an icon.
When Robin is doing his somersaults and hanging off the curtains he was actually trying to get down to the ground floor quickly so he could get into the entrance to the bat cave. He saw Alfred going inside there and was trying to figure out what was being hidden. Not saying the movie was any good mind you. But that had more intent then you seem to have picked up on
David Duchovny once said on a late night talk show that his nose was too big for the mask and it made his voice kind of high. He referred to his Batman as "Batmanashevitz".
Fun fact : Nicolas Cage was planned to be Scarecrow in Batman Unchained, and Coolio (the rapper, not joking) was going to be a backup if he wasn't hired.
My favorite thing about Arnold's Freeze is what in Red Alert 3 Uprising Allies got Cryolegioner whos speaking exclusively with Arnold's lines from Batman & Robin and i LOVE it
After hearing Joel Schumacher decided to take the blame for it and not let the crew get hurt by the press though he made a bad movie I think it’s commendable that he defends the people who worked on it and takes the bullet so no one else does
I honestly think he thought he was making a good product. Not ridiculous at all. He just believed (like many, many people do) that comic books are silly child stuff and movies based on them should be equally silly and childish.
if you look at batman forever’s original script, it would have been a great movie, but a lot of it was cut out during editing. idk what happened with batman and robin though lmao
@@chikinonfrydai just as they say
Batman and robin is made just to sell toys
Honestly I think Joel Schumacher made good movies for kids but only in Forever did I notice some deeper themes building visually. As an Adult Forever is kinda decnt to me lol but Batman and Robin I can't stomach to watch again. Still I think all the actors, directors, and producers are exceptional talents; and I recognize chemistry needs to be perfect for a vision to truly come together. Movies are hard yo- Wb
I really think blaming the writer for a bad movie is unfair. It really is the director and producer that makes the decisions. If they thought the script was bad, then they wouldn't use it. Studios have also been known to take good scripts and turn them into garbage, a la Spiderman 3, Thor 2, and pretty much the entire DCEU.
On set Joel Schumacher kept yelling out before each take “remember it’s a comic” to make sure that it stayed goofy
I remember he once said in an interview "They are called 'comic' books, not 'tragic' books, and I think we always need to remember that this is a big pop-culture opera, not Medea."
Making everyone wish for a different director...
That and he admitted to fucking 20,000 dudes
the irony is comics are more serious then campy. Even in the 60s comics usually the main ones especially batman was very serious. Im halfway surprised they didnt add the pow etfect after batman punched someone
No way! Seriously?!?😂
I thought he said cartoo
Elvis completely skipping over the fact that when Bane was planting the bombs he'd literally say "bomb" after putting down each one. I still giggle watching that.
Bomb…. Bomb…. Bomb…. 💣
@@mr.moviemafia so simplistic but just SO GOOD! 😆
As much as I roll my eyes at Batman and Robin, I'll admit that "bomb" does still make me laugh.
Absolutely adorable. Bane was perfect in this movie, (for this kind of iteration) I just wish he had more screen time. Of course I like the dark knight one more, but these are two different characters going for two different things, and I love them. Bane is just a great character and I want more of him.
bomb
I do absolutely love the aesthetic of these movies. It is so overdramtic and cool looking. Every scene looks like a 80s music video.
damn man, you are so right🤣
Batman forever is probably why I became an artist lmao
I have massive nostalgia blinders but I've always liked the movies just because of that. He pretty much just wanted to make a really goofy, fun and exaggerated pair of movies and I think he succeeded. It's just the goal itself that people didn't like
@@imsleepy6211 Youre not an artist
@@themug406 oh man then the people who gave me college scholarships for my art obviously had no idea what they were doing x:
Just to give you an idea of how derpy Batman Forever was, my 1995 dad wouldn’t allow me to mimic Riddler Jim Carrey because it was “too gay” at the time. It was a glorious time to be rebellious.
Is your dad still a massive homophobic tool or has he grown up?
Lmao what that just shows how strange your dad was
Your dad is awesome lol I miss the times when being gay was considered weird...
@@KalisShort Not really. Joel Schumacher is gay, and he pretty openly did things to the movies that reflected that. Such as the memed "bat-nipples and bat-codpieces".
@@idrinkrawmilk554 Gay people have always existed and will always exist. Before colonization many cultures were accepting of gay people. What I'm trying to say is: shut up and deal with it you bigoted snowflake. I'm gay and there's nothing you can do about it. Cry a little more.
I think WB was lucky that Batman: The Animated Series and Batman Beyond were on the air to preserve the franchise while the movies went downhill and they kept Batman out of theaters for 8 years.
Batman Beyond is the best Batman there ever was across all genres and media.
Mainstream audiences didn’t care about TAS, that’s why Mask of the Phantasm didn’t do well with general audiences
@@kalay5651 the new batman is a close one i think
Nolan/Synder/Reeves all saved Batman films. WB just needs to humble themselves and let their artists continue to evolve the media. The Batmedia
@@madcracker8077 that was due to warner bros poorly marketing the film
I think I was about 8 when I saw it in the cinema and the scene where Robin hung his clothes up to dry was the most memorable part and it had a real effect on me at the time. I was always a messy kid and oblivious to the benefits of tidying up but I also always harboured a secret fear of losing my family and used to have nightmares about it. The scene comes after Robin loses his family, and he shows Alfred that he's independent and capable and still moving forward just when he's being looked at as a victim. 8 year old me was very proud of him and the memory became a small touchstone for a developing mind and I hoped that I could be that strong and just carry on getting little things done for myself and survive if I found myself alone in the world. Being more present and more tidy and organised and doing inane things for myself because they needed doing helped to make me more capable of dealing with the dreams.
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This version of Poison Ivy started my love for the character. Her relationship with Harley just solidified it.
Gross
@@thecensoredmuscle563 I mean, if you're into dudes, there's plenty here for ya.
I mostly knew Ivy from the 90's comics and cartoon where she was more on the stoic and measured side... so THIS version kinda took me by surprise due to the ham and cheese XD !
@@saidi7975 XDD !!!!
Uma Thurman is the worst part of the movie.
As goofy as it is, I always get a little misty-eyed whenever Freeze takes out the glowing vials and says, "Take two of these, and call me in the morning." His love for his wife Nora and his desperation to find a cure for her disease are the only additions to his lore that no adaption, no matter how stupid, could ruin.
I like to imagine an alternate cut where he's actually just flipping him the double deuce.
God, Batman TAS is so friggin' awesome, it gave us that AND _Harley freaking Quinn._
Jim carrey and freezes affection for his dead wife was the actual good stuff In this film . That’s about it
There’s also a sweet reference to Frozen Heart, a BTAS episode that elaborates on Freezes past (when Arnie is in his cell, I believe)
And his insistence that his name appear BEFORE the actor playing Batman.
"What killed the dinosaurs? THE ICE AGE!" Is such a dumb line, delivered so perfectly. I mean, that's just factually wrong, Mr. Freeze. Can't just take credit for the work that asteroid did.
He can and he did!
but the asteroid didn't kill the dinosaurs, i mean, it probably killed some by falling on their heads. What killed the dinosaurs is the giant scale chain reaction due to the asteroid impact, provoking volcanos to erupt in mass and then the climate going on a winter so long no big vegetation or dinosaur could survive (besides toxic ammounts of volcanic ash all over the place) , herbibores got sick and/or died, then carnivores ate those sick dinosaurs and died too, not counting the harsh unforgiving climate. Somethings for sure, the winter effect had nothing to do with the ice age , most probably not, that's because scientists could document several ice ages trough years, but couldn't get as far as to determine if there was a greenhouse effect during dinosaur times or if one was relatred to their exctinction.
Who knows, maybe Arnie was right, Maybe, mr Freeze knew something we don't.
This dumb 90's movie needs further investigation.
@@yusukeelric What killed the dinosaurs? THE ICE!
The only reason it works is cus Arnie sells it. All the bad puns only work cus of him.
@@lucaschannel1113 u mad bro?
For all the problems these movies had, as ive gotten older i can appreciate them more - i love this version of gotham with all the weird art deco neon light shit going on, i love the hammy acting and how over the top it all is
I liked Batman Forever, but Batman and Robin will always be trash
@@nsasupporter7557 Batman and Robin is visually amazing.
@@JDoe-gf5oz so? That wasn’t enough to save it from being a terrible movie
@@nsasupporter7557 It's only terrible because you don't like camp. If you look at it as a modern take on the West series it's not so bad.
@@JDoe-gf5oz dude, you’re like the only person in the world who actually liked that movie… which is fine, I’m not telling you you can’t like it. But don’t try to tell me what style I like and don’t like ok
I actually like Val Kilmer's Bruce Wayne more, since I always think Wayne is rather cold and jaded billionaire, probably even dead inside. I just thought Clooney's Wayne was too smiley and sweet instead of brooding. Mr. Freeze were really painful, but my oh my Poison Ivy is probably one of the best Batman villain ever IMO!
I think the real Bruce is supposed to be brooding. But George Clooney plays the part of Bruce Wayne (in the eyes of the people) pretty okay
Clooney would’ve been a good Thomas Wayne IMO.
Uma Thurman's version is probably the worst comic book live action version I've ever seen of anything. She's cool in Arkham games, sure.
Bob Kane is not the real creator of Batman. He made the name and idea of a guy in a suit, which was a red suit with a domino mask and actual bat wings. The real creator is Bill Finger, he made the real lore behind Batman- the suit, the gadgets, the city, all of the stuff we've come to know, love, and associate with Batman. Bill never gets the credit he deserves
Basically, Bob had the seeds for Batman while Bill planted the entire legacy of the characters and world.
I remember watching the Bill Finger documentary on Hulu and its so sad how his entire family was basically forgotton in history until that man was so dedicated to getting the truth out that he was able to track down the granddaughter of Bill Finger
and he just traced over the pulp character The Shadow for the drawing. Bill Finger took one look at it, saw how it was trash and fixed everything.
A name means fuckin nothing. to this day Bob Kane pisses me off, especially seeing documentaries on blurays about how genius he was. Bill should be co creator only with jerry robinson.
would be the same if some hack came up with the name "star wars" in the 70s, then Lucas created everything, but got no credit for it before dying alone and forgotten.
when asked to do a painting of Batman, of which he had many he boasted about, he couldnt do it on the spot. he hired someone to do it.
Bob Kane was a sleasy business man who hired creatives to work for him and then took sole credit.
The 90s Batman movies are like the old Superman movies. First two are decent, third one takes a huge nose dive, fourth one is an absolute mess.
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Absolutely and the female related spin off is horrid garbage.
@@JoeChillton Female related spinoff?
90s Batman is fun
Agreed
It has to be said that Joel Schumacher was an absolute G of a person with him standing up for his coworkers.
Plus the dude was in general a super underrated director imo. RIP
Agreed
It’s crazy how he did “A Time to Kill” (a legit fantastic film) in between both of his Batman films
The scenes between Jim Carrey and TLJ are even better when you know it was just a giant pissing contest between the two of trying to one-up each other.
You got to hand it to Schumacher. He really comes off as a class act. He owns these movies. Made the movies he wanted to make and is sorry if people felt disappointed. Doesn't blame fans, doesn't blame the cast, defends the writer, Takes all responsibility. Defends pretty much everyone besides himself.
These movies... are not good. I think he went for something that didn't work out. He's made good movies, just not these two.
After what Akiva Goldsman did to Star Trek, I feel even more inclined to blame him for this mess. Joel is just too nice, bless him.
I just gained respect for Schumacher. He can take the heat, and doesn't need to challenge critics to a boxing match if they don't like his movie.
@@Psychedelicgothicpink I saw Falling Down in the theater, when it came out, and recently watched it again. It's a great movie, thanks to a tight script, solid direction and an amazing performance by Douglas. I Haven't see rampage yet. Is that the one based on the 80's arcade game? Or am I thinking of postal? Please let me know if you think either are worth checking out :)
Cheers
He's a sweet guy who often follows truly bizarre creative impulses, but is an earnest artist in my opinion.
@@Pocketrocket-pj1us black pilled's take on that film is more on point now.
I think the reason Alfred liked the new robin so much is cause Alfred is an insane workaholic and he took one look at that weird goblin manchild and said "Yes, I'll be busy for YEARS cleaning up after this one".
Edit - "Don't fret, I'll always have something in the works" Is both threatening AND reassuring.
LMAO! Best analysis!
Alfred isn't going to heaven.
@@jesus_christ5856your my favorite Batman villain
@cornfield2120 thank you, my son. I am the greatest detective
It's actually pretty funny when a guy fighting crime in a bat costume, fighting a guy with an ice gun and a plant-woman hybrid isn't considered serious enough. It's all absurd, really. Not that I'm disagreeing with it's awfulness, it's just funny on an ironic level
I think it has to do with the films being comedic then it is that the execution was botched. The 60s show is a complete parody of the original comics, and people love that show. The Schumacher films tried to do that, but mixed in the dark aesthetic of Burton, modern pop culture and weird sexual themes and it rubbed people the wrong way.
@@r.jclark4641 yep, good call.
Schumacher was such a legend for taking the heat on everything. I honestly believe he was handcuffed into making a toy commercial and just tried to make it fun for the audience.
I love how villains had escape contraptions built into places they don't own. Like did he have a construction/engineering crew in there a month earlier building an explosive-proof saferoom under the circus arena? It reminds me of that Batman Returns movie where Penguin takes an actual elevator out of the sewers in front of everyone. Who the fuck is building this shit, and even if it was built by someone else previously, how are they controlling it?
Maybe some of his circus crew were engineers and construction workers in past lives?? Lol
Imagine it’s just one mastermind building all of the escapes for all the villains In Gotham 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
it was extraneous construction man! the most sinister bat-villan! his code violations are exceeded only by his wierd rube goldbergian architecture!
Killer moth pays off the builders
my mother was crazy about Val Kilmer and other heart throbs from that era, so we went to see these a few times...there was applause for the butt/crotch shots. lol just some 90s mom thirst nostalgia
Does Elvis not know that Joel was gay?
That’s great lol
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@@thedude8457 that explains why he directed the gayest batman movies.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 lmfao😂😂😂😂😂
I've really come around to loving these movies. I saw Batman & Robin in theatres as a kid, and loved it. I think as the years go on and see things in the present we don't like, we end up enjoying things from our past more.
Very true! I also watched this at the cinema as a kid with my mum and brothers. It feels attached to happy times. I have always loved these films.I get bored when it's all just dark and dreary I think these were great fun!
@@michellebennett1340 Batman Forever was good, but Batman and Robin will always be crap
God bless these actors. They had to know these were just gonna be shlock. But they bit down hard and gave us absolute gold.
Say what you will, Schumacher giving credit to everyone involved for a good experience but taking all the blame for the negatives is sweet as hell.
It’s crazy he made “A Time to Kill” in between both of these films
i like the theory that the reason batman & robin is more wacky and odd is because the riddler literally took a big chunk of the IQ from the people of gotham so everything is dumber and makes less sense
This is one of those fan theories that makes you want to rush out and watch the film again to see if it could work, and oh my gosh it does.
"He's being weird with the laundry."
"I really like the way he dries the laundry."
- Elvis the Alien c. 2022
“Your entrance was good… his was better” gets me all the time lol
Elvis, in continuing the Nicolas Cage saga, you've got to check out the Astro Boy 2009 film. Never before have I seen such a nonsensical children's plot balanced with such dark themes - and Nic does some spectacular voice acting in it.
Yesss! I loved that movie
I’m waiting for him to review the nick cage movie about him being nick cage lol
Bionicpig made a vid about it
I love those types of movies.
With a whimsical plot about a character becoming a hero or going to a magical place, only for the much darker themes to show the real colors of the film.
Just like Return to Oz or Coraline, god I love those films.
He's in that? Huh, I didn't know 🤔
I honestly glazed over Alfred making the suits for Robin and Batgirl cuz Alfred cares about bruce and doesn't want him to be isolated and alone.
I still think Debi Mazar deserved more screen time on Batman Forever. She would've been as awesome as Harley Quinn given the opportunity.
41:31 one thing you probably didn't notice here:
Bane gets send to get Freezes stuff
Runs through the entire building
Cut to Ivy and Freeze with BANE IN FRON OF THE DOOR
Cut back to Bane packing everything and running back
So Bane ran through the building, forgot what he was doing, ran back, saw Freeze and rembered, ran to his destination and packed the crap in the cart.
It probably is just an editing mistake, but the "Bane is dum" version is hilarious.
They named Duke Nukem Forever after this movie.
Kind of fitting honestly.
👏👏👏
More like, it’s because it took FOREVER for the game to come out at the time
@@illusioNery And it was terrible just like these movies
@@jackmooney688 meh
@@jackmooney688 Well at least we have the 2001 one now (kinda)
As a kid, my mom didn't let me watch any batman films... except for these two. She didn't have a real reason why she didn't let me watch Dark Knight or the Tim Burtons, but I just watched these two the most. They may be dumpster fires, but damn are they kinda nostalgic.
Thanks, I guess?
Well yeah i kinda get how -if I had a kid - these movies would be more acceptable to show than The Dark Knight
Movies you watched as a kid are usually nostalgic yes
@@FafuchessNothing wrong with TDK trilogy. After these shit movies I didn't even want to watch Batman Begins and TDK because I assumed they're just crap. I missed quite a lot
Batman Forever isn't that bad. Now Batman and Robin is another story.
Exactly!! Batman Forever was great in my opinion, Batman and Robin is just a joke to me lol
8MM is one of the darkest movies I’ve seen, because of the honest, mundane and exquisitely-cruel nature that it describes exist within humanity. And Nick Cage is amazing as a troubled and modern-day noir actor, the antithesis of is “classic Cage.”
15:00 I think Dick was intentionally trying to get in the cave here. Earlier in the movie Alfred told Dick that this room was the only room in the entire mansion he wasn't allowed in. He was using his ninja monkey skills to try to get into the room before the door shut behind Alfred. Feels more like Dick being a curious little kitty than a "he just happened to land in the Batcave" thing. Super minor but I had to show my super sick paying attention to the movie skills to Mr. The Alien.
yep
I like how in the comics Dick Grayson is supposed to be like 11 or 12 but in this movie they cast Chris O'Donnell who was like 25 when it came out 😆
@@MrDman21 yep
When looking back at Batman forever and The Batman,comparing the Riddler I think Jim Carrey could’ve played a good riddler but I think it was just too much on being goofy, you had Jacks Joker for example who was goofy but also dark at the same.
He was probably too busy for the first two Sonic the Hedgehog movies
Ig being working with someone who outright told hate working with him did affect him lose some self awareness to not go too goofy
Though he's still one of more better character from batman forever
I am pretty sure he can nail riddler, if he was allowed to play it like his performance in cable guy
@@lookingforlove839 Cable Guy was really dark, creepy, and not funny. It was about the effects of a single mom. Realistic, but not funny.
Oh hey,Billy.
I unironically love these two movies. They're stupid and silly and bad and a lot of fun. All the villains were over the top and awesome.
Batman Forever is the most late 90s movie ever made. I love it. The whole aesthetic of that movie is so nostalgic to me.
The batsuit isn’t all that strange when you consider the hyper-sexualization you see of women in movies by straight male directors. Dude just thought it was hot and we’re not used to seeing a gay director do the eroticizing we’re otherwise used to in mainstream movies.
That's a good hypothesis.
that... actually makes a ton of sense lol
yeah, i think its great. I'm for equal opportunity hyper-sexualization.
So if he adds bat nipples that makes him automatically gay? What a dumb argument lmao, maybe it was just a design choice, or he did it to even out the sexualization of the females
That was literally the first thing I thought. And it's sad that I also thought he was from California. He went to school there and grew up in NY had sex with over 20k men. Yeah.
*RIP* Joel, despite the criticisms, you did what you loved and did it in you're own style. Have to respect that.
Minus the nipples
Dick "landing his ass in the Batcave" wasn't a mistake. He was up on the 3rd floor so Alfred would think Dick wouldn't be able to follow behind him, then Dick did the routine and slid into the silver closet to beat the door closing. He didn't know it was the Batcave, but he was very curious about why that was the only locked door. Elvis is so entertaining, and it's disappointing that he missed something that I realized when I saw this in the theatre when I was 14 years old.
Edit: Wait wait wait wait. Elvis prefers George Clooney to Val Kilmer? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. I don't know if I'll ever recover from this betrayal.
These versions are so camp and I will defend them with my life
there like if you wach the 60's show on lsd
@@torquetheprisoner They're* watch*
No mention that Arnold REFUSED to shave his head so he wore a skincap which in certain frames is incredibly noticeable? Kind of like how the 60s Joker never shaved his mustache.
That comment from Shumacher about loving a movie means you have to be thankful to over 100 people who made it possible, but if you hate it just blame the director, since that is why their names are there, is so wholesome. As janky and campy as they are, I have fond memories of them, and even rewatch them. They remind me of the joy of being a kid when you don't have to worry about every little thing making sense and just enjoying the experience.
Oh my, this two movies are sooooooooo sentimental for me so I am afraid to watch it again after all those years. I loved both of them!
As I've always said while Val Kilmer played Batman like Bruce Wayne was cosplaying as Batman, George Clooney played both Batman and Bruce Wayne as if he was George Clooney. There was no difference in his portrayal of either.
Say what you want about Michael Keaton in the role, he nailed both the Bruce Wayne and Batman sides of the character's personality.
Missing Fact:
According to Val (of Last year), He was genuinely disappointed being on set. Nor the dreams of being Batman, all little more than an act (Val mentions how the suit was very uncomfortable to wear , like what Keaton wore in the first two.)
What do you mean, Val of last year? And that fact is pretty common knowledge. Batsuits have been notorious for being nightmares to wear
the part with Poison Ivy checking her reflection in her pocket knife is my favorite moment in that whole movie 😂
Hot take: I think Val Kilmer is the best on screen portrayal of the character to date. The voice was perfect, the personality traits were great, and his Bruce Wayne was praised for a reason.
Batman & Robin was one of my favorite movies as a kid because my dad loved it. Therefore, it has no flaws!
Joel’s take on Phantom of the Opera was amazing and visually stunning, I’ll die on this hill
Oprah Winfrey did an interview with Arnold, Clooney and O'Donnell for Batman & Robin when the movie came out. Arnold made a joke and O'Donnell did a really mocking laugh and Clooney bumped him to tell him to stop. I don't think O'Donnell likes Arnold.
For some reason, that has stayed with me for 25 years.
Drama lol
Batman forever remains to this day my favorite Batman movie
18:37 Was that a Scooby laugh?
I think someone has earned themselves a Scooby snack.
As a kid, I loved these, saw nothing wrong with them. And then I grew up and realized there was a bat credit card and built in ice skates and bad Mr Freeze puns😂
Yea it’s fucking awesome
I had the Novelization. Yeah, Batman and Robin-The Movie-The Book. It was wild honestly
My ex once met Chris O'Donnell in 2001 while working on Boca Grande at a resort, this particular gig was catering for a wedding that Chris happened to be a guest of. My ex loved the Batman films and Chris was probably the most notable person he had encountered while working there. Anyway, he had occasion to speak with him at some point when Chris approached the banquet table he was taking care of, and so my ex said to him "Hey, you're Chris O'Donnell right?" and Chris said "yeah I am, what's your name?" to my ex replied totally deadpan "I'm Batman." My ex was just trying to be silly, and so he was taken completely aback when Chris shot him a dirty look and said "ya haha real funny, fuck you man" and walked away.. So I guess maybe making those movies was an embarrassment to him by that point.. I think he thought he was being insulted, but that wasn't the intent behind it. Or maybe he was just having a bad night, who knows. He pretty much faded into obscurity not long after the early 00's anyway.
I love these movies tho, they are cheesy and fun as hell.
My favorite thing about these movies is that Joel probably designed one of the best on screen Gotham aesthetics ever. the scale, grandiose buildings, the over the top + art deco & gothic architecture along with all the neons it's like cyberpunk Batman without any of the cyber, it dazzled me as a kid & its the prime reason I revisit these movies, it goes banana's on an OLED TV and i know for sure Arkham Knight took inspiration from it cuz a lot of the designs felt nostalgic to me.
But i have never and will never give Joel Schumacher any flack for making these movies. As bad as they are i can find enjoyment in watching them & he said himself he didn't mean to make a bad movie he only wanted to entertain and that i was lol. Not to mention it became precursor to some the best Batman movies that have become classics. It's wild to think we got Batman Begins only 8 years after this debacle.
joel Schumacher seems like a good guy. he stood up for his crew, and took all the blame. im betting he was cool to work with. its a shame he received so much hate for these movies. i loved them as a kid. and now as an adult,i still think they are a lot of fun. movies can be bad, but its important that they aren't boring. and they are far from boring. i cant believe batman and robin was listed as the worst movie ever made by someone. especially when "bobby z," and "in the name of the king" exist. (those are the only 2 movies ive ever watched that i had to turn off and never finished.) and joel Schumacher is 100% capable of making genuinely good/well made movies. falling down is one of the best movies ever in my opinion. and 8mm is really good too. im glad his batman movies exist.
Honestly I really enjoyed these movies growing up. I loved how it made Batman campy and fun, kind of like the older batman cartoons. I have a lot of nostalgia and love for these two crappy films, maybe its cause the outfits....it's probably the outfits...
Same, I think it's why I absolutely Love CinemaWins, he truly appreciates films for what they are, despite some flaws/setbacks.
Flaws lol. Bad writing bad effects crap story. THESE ARE NOT FLAWS THEY ARE GARBAGE
@@springwoodslasher79 Sure man, that's whatever you wanna believe. That's why opinions matter & I respect yours. Have a great day!
@@RamiroBelmaresJr lol... I deal in facts and facts alone. I have an IQ of 135 i know stupid when I see it.
@@springwoodslasher79 Congrats dude, I just love movies.
Batman Forever will always be a guilty pleasure. Because of Jim Carrey's amazing campy Riddler, and Tommy Lee Jones trying to keep up with him, but failing upwardly. His performance is so stilted, it's funny to me.
idk why they ever woulda thought tommy lee jones would be the right guy for the job, even as a kid I coulda told you the guy was phoning it in and not trying lol
@@Mclovinit8171 I thought the opposite: he was attempting to match Jim Carrey’s energy and ended up trying too hard
Honestly, if Jim Carrey wanted play The Joker in a Batman movie, he could. I truly believe he has the talent for it.
So true. Before the Nolan trilogy, this was my favorite Batman movie since it gave both heroes and villains an equal amount of screen time. Plus, Tommy Lee Jones was more Dick Dastardly than Two Face.
There’s no such thing guilty please people guilty pleasure to please other people opinions what movies are likable no such thing as guilty pleasure if you like it that’s good, other people don’t like it screw them as long you like it
Not gonna lie....Freeze saying "All right everyone...chill" is the line I remember most about this movie
Well, Schumacher used to be a hairdresser, so whaddya want? But The Lost Boys and Falling down were pretty great...
Yeah, The Lost Boys is a classic.
Man aside from all its faults, it is still nice to see these behind the scenes clips seeing all the sets. If these movies were made today, behind the scenes would just be nothing but a sea of green.
Seals kiss from a rose will forever be the real Batman theme song
I would like to point out that John glover is the voice of riddler in most cartoon adaptations
Fun fact; Merridian''s office is the same building as the Red Circle Club in John Wicke. The exterior is the Surrogate’s Court and the interior of the Red Circle Club in that film is the former ballroom of the Edison Ballroom from The Godfather where Luca Brassi is killed..The Edison Hotel still exists mind you but the ballroom has been split off and now has different owners who use it from private events.
Batman forever still is my favorite Batman movie. I love the cheesiness of it and the fact it doesn't take itself seriously, it's just so entertaining. I still laugh out loud at the dialogue in this movie
Reminds me of the street fighter Raul Julia when he knew his life was coming to an end and took the role of his sons favorite character. Val Kilmer I hope pulls through.
Whoever did the lighting in Batman and Robin is a genius. My buddy works in stage lighting and never shuts up about this movie.
@Elvis The Alien what happened to the 365 2 video?
Batman Forever is one of my favorite movies lmao. So many good quotes and scenes
RIP Joel Schumacher, you weren't good at Batman but you did some great stuff (The Lost Boys is genuinely great, and 8mm has problems but I love it)
8 likes for a backhanded comment towards a deseased legend? pitiful
Phone Booth was great too
its hard to forgive what he did to batman. This dude set the whole series back almost a decade with this crap he made, he almost ruined the coolest superhero for a whole generation.
Wait wtf he did Lost Boys and these Batman movies? How the fuck does that even happen
Nah, he did Batman great. His movies were a beautiful tribute to the silver age
I gotta say I think Kilmer was the Andrew Garfield of the Bat-men in that if he'd have been given a better script he could've been the best Bruce Wayne ever. There's leaked footage of deleted scenes that would've allowed his emotional vacancy to pay off as he finally opens up to himself and confronts his feelings and guilt - the title "Forever" was chosen as the movie would've followed his struggle and finally conviction that he'd be Batman, forever. But a lot of it was meddled with by execs and producers after they got so burned from the reception to Returns
Bro is so petty he shoots people into space instead of just freezing them instantly, I love it
28:28
Not even gonna lie, by the end of it I was in tears. I'd say they'd need to chill out with the puns, but cool of them to go all in.
(Especially since they're delivered by Arnie who just... embraces the cheese)
Arnold has always acted cheesy lol
Two-Face is a very compelling character in the comics-a former district attorney who made it his personal mission to take care of crime in Gotham in a whole new way. I have no idea what the Two-Face in this movie is trying.
He was an even bigger clown than The Joker, which is ironic.
TLJ only did the movie for his son because two face was his favorite batman character and straight up told a producer he didn't understand the script, alongside the fact that he wasn't used to sharing the screen with another actor and didn't want to be one upped by Jim Carrey which led to him massively overcompensating. His performance in the movie manages to feel both phoned in and wildy over the top at the same time.
I think nips on a suit is by far the funniest thing to add to a suit. Like it's that extra step that makes history and is remembered.
It’s probably bad how hard I laughed when two face said “Nothing like a bad case of gas!”
These two Batman movies are my guilty pleasure, sure they not like the other ones but it really enjoyable. I watch these a lot more, I do not hate them at all.
Whelp that batman smile is 100% now a meme haha, thank you Elvis for this hidden gem. Love what you do amigo, Whenever I see a new upload I get all giddy. Keep up the amazing work, we are all looking forward to whatever you do next!
I actually like Forever, I think it’s an underrated movie. Sure it’s silly, but unlike Batman and Robin it actually tells an interesting story about Bruce Wayne. It’s one of the better Batman movies if you ask me.
I'm so glad to find someone that agrees with me on that. Rumor is the director's cut was substantially darker in tone with its portrayal of Bruce Wayne. I would've loved to see it tbh
I agree too! We learn more about Bruce Wayne in this one. I loved the rest of the cast too.
Same.
it's absolutely terrible. the only good thing about it is that it's not AS TERRIBLE as Batman and Robin
also the music in Forever still sticks with me . I hum the main theme from time to time
18:49 i literally died from laughter
Honestly I love the aesthetics of these movies. They’re so goofy and over the top, and it feels so vibrant. Imagine just being an ordinary citizen in this type of world. I feel like my cup of coffee every morning would have been spiked with acid.
The only thing I could think of during Batman Forever was: Why is Two Face still the villain? He does not need to be this big a threat to the city?
R.I.P. Joel Schumacher. He made some of my favorite movies that I watched so much when I was growing up, mostly "Falling Down", and "The Lost Boys".
Not gonna lie, I loved both of those movies much more than any iteration of Batman since. It's goofy, fun, has atmosphere, has actually attractive male and female actors in sexy roles and fantastic costumes. Music is also fantastic.
You qualify a good Batman movie on sexy roles and an atmosphere that failed to be any good? Christ lol
the expiration date on the bat credit card: Forever
I just died
Every single one of these review videos is a gem. I rewatched all of them countless times and everytime a new one comes out it just makes my day a lot better.
Thank you for your work and uploads ! ☺️
Elvis' joy talking about the bad movies we all love deep down as a guilty goofy pleasure is always such a great way to escape all the bad & crazy shוte that's been going on in the world since 2020. I watch them when I need to forget about all my problems big & small!
I honestly didn't mind Kilmer as Batman, I think he had a very reserved portrayal but in a way that's good compared to say George Clooney.
I can look at Kilmer and think "That's a moody Batman right there" but I can't look at Clooney Batman and think anything other than "Yep, that's George Clooney"
I don't think his style entirely meshed with the goofiness of the movies but I dunno, him being all cold and calculated vs Two Face and Riddler just worked for me.
3:48 Batman forever
26:16 Batman and Robin
"If you don't like the movie blame the director, that's what our name is there for"
Schumacher had the exact right idea there
This was also the time when Val Kilmer revealed the massive ego he had.
Even the Dark Knight has his ups and downs.
Alfred was the only character in these 2 films that was good and even tho Michael Caine is the near perfect Alfred. It was the actor in these films that brought the loving/caring surrogate father-figure that made Alfred an icon.
Did you say “crane” 😂
It's Michael Caine, not Crane.
Fun fact: If you say My Cocaine, it sounds like how Caine pronounces his own name.
The soundtrack for each of them went pretty hard though.
Especially Kiss From A Rose and Gotham City.
When Robin is doing his somersaults and hanging off the curtains he was actually trying to get down to the ground floor quickly so he could get into the entrance to the bat cave. He saw Alfred going inside there and was trying to figure out what was being hidden. Not saying the movie was any good mind you. But that had more intent then you seem to have picked up on
David Duchovny once said on a late night talk show that his nose was too big for the mask and it made his voice kind of high. He referred to his Batman as "Batmanashevitz".
This was absolutely hilarious and entertaining. As for reviews, definitely LOTR and Matrix Trilogy but also include the three Indiana Jones movies
There's 4 Indiana Jones movies and it'd make sense for him to review the 4th one because aliens lol
there are only 3 indiana jones movies goddamit
@@FellowHuman137 "Master Skywalker, there are too many of them! What are we going to do?"
@@castrucciocastracani0 let the past die, kill it if you have to
Fun fact : Nicolas Cage was planned to be Scarecrow in Batman Unchained, and Coolio (the rapper, not joking) was going to be a backup if he wasn't hired.
Dark era for Batman For sure back then! And now! 🦇
My favorite thing about Arnold's Freeze is what in Red Alert 3 Uprising Allies got Cryolegioner whos speaking exclusively with Arnold's lines from Batman & Robin and i LOVE it