Who Was The Real Pocahontas? | Pocahontas And John Smith | Timeline
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- The romantic tale of the Native American teenager, Pocahontas, and John Smith is an American legend. Was it really a love story or the figment of a vivid imagination? The truth of Pocahontas' life is subject to interpretation of both the oral and written accounts, which contradict one another. She lives on through her own people, who are still here today, and through the descendants of her two sons.
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Y’all have the facts wrong. She married kocoum when she was in her teens. Then had kaokee and was tricked into going on the boat. Once she was on the boat they killed kocoum and the tribe had to hide kaokee. No one knew of her until she was a full grown woman. They even changed kaokees name to Rebecca in fear the English would find her and kill her. I’m a direct descendant.
I'm related to John Smith
So when she was kidnapped her husband was killed and the tribe hid her child Kaokee. Kaokee wasn't revealed until she was grown ? And you are a descendant of Kaokee ? Are you a member of the tribe ? I would love to hear more. You should write a book.
@@dreamcatcher5502 They're pocahontas's 13th great granddaughter. Kaokee is their 12th
How old was she when they tricked her onto the boat? I also heard that Pocahontas's name was changed to Rebecca and not Kokcum's.
There are several books on the actual history of Metoaka (or Pocahontas). Her father was from the Powhatan Nation (Wahunsenaca), but her mother was Patawhomeck (Potomac). Nearly all eastern nations were matrilineal, so she was a Patahomeck, but many tribes belonged to the Powhatan Confederacy. She was used to forge an alliance between the Patahomeck's and the English, who hoped this would alleviate any problems with the Powhatan Nation. I am a descendant of Metoaka's sister and Chief Wahunganoche of the Patahomeck. The US has a rich history with lots of untold information. @@dreamcatcher5502
This should have a propaganda warning before it...
@Baba Gandu Ha this is the "fairy tale" WTF are you getting on about here?
Yes, Jamestown was not the first English colony in North America. Sites in Newfoundland predate it.
@@jaydawg4632 The settlement was not founded by English and it wasn't permanent.
Say what son?
Get a life.
Nobody's gonna talk about the fact that she was TWELVE when this all started?
Many questionable details here as well. Thank you.
you can't compare today's standards to the past. Once a woman got her period- she was a woman. Adding that life expectancy in the 1600's wasn't like it was today. So where it seems insane to submit a 12 yr old to this by today's standards, it was "normal" at the time.
@@okeefenoke8128 While I agree with that wholeheartedly ... still 12? Woman usually don't start until like around ... 12- 15 yrs old. I do believe over the passage of time - details have gotten ... confused a might.
@@okeefenoke8128 except for the British Royals? The Princesses never were married off at age 12, the same goes for the likes of Thomas Jefferson and all slave owners , age was not a consideration, only their “ sexual” appetites were.
@@okeefenoke8128 Women entered puberty at later ages in times past -- it's strongly linked to quality of diet and overall standard of living. Girls today enter puberty as early as 8 or 9, but in Pocahontas's time, she probably didn't enter puberty until 15 or 16, possibly later.
No, they did not get her father's permission, they wouldn't even let him come to the ceremony! This is supposed to be factual? WTF!
Like you FN know😂😂😂
@@elizabethmencia6027 actually, I do
What she accomplished, and what she suffered, from ages 12 to 22 is absolutely amazing!
This is a false depiction of her and you should really do more research when posting something you know nothing about
Being married early is common in several cultures age is approximately 13 years for girls..
My grandmother was actually 15 or 16 when she had married.. This was common in earlier times... Also in many cases in current time a lot of women have their first child at 16.
Yes common because allots of people died early
Yes, they did, but don't use that to justify this nonsense
I am a chiefs daughter in Nova Scotia he was a chief for 25 years,I was raised on a reservation it’s the mother’s that pass on the culture as well as the father but your mother needs to have it more so .
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I hardly think Virginia is a "northern state". 🤨
More north than the Caribbean.
What about northern Virginia?
I'm always wanting for Timeline to put the orininal documentary production dates on these videos. #timeline
Nathaniel Smith i was just coming here to see when this was MADE! It’s crazy good quality at least to me it is, which confuses me cuz the people just seem very early 2000’s
@@Lora_M_NY that’s what they meant by production dates. Same thing lol
@@Lora_M_NY So I got really curious of when this was made as well since basically all the information within seemed misinformed and dated compared to what we know today about Pocahontas. So in my annoyance I did some research. Granted it took me forever (ok... actually about an hour and a half of research) but I finally discovered that this documentary was made in 2008. And was originally titled
"Pocahontas and Captain John Smith - Love and Survival in the New World"
While this documentary is historically inaccurate overall, some of these comments certainly aren’t helping lol
Exactly. Like, can't people just be _nice_ for once on the Internet?!!
They didn't bring women to Jamestown? How did they expect to last?
The London investors wanted Product/ROI. Colonists would have to deal with reproduction on their own. The "surplus population" could be relied upon to furnish new people or "transport" petty criminals/Indentured Servants.
After they built up the colony - buildings etc - then they were to have regular supply ship visits.
@@graceamerican3558 @Otokichi786 ok makes sense
Disney just stepped all the way out of the comments.
None of these documentaries are done from or by an Indigenous worldview. I'm sure many things/facts have been misrepresented
Yup.
100%
She was our first MMIW (murderd and missing Indigenous women)
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She didn't go missing and she was not murdered. Her dad knew that she had left with her husband. And in fact they were leaving England to return to Virginia when she got sick and eventually died.
Is this like all those "murdered transwomen" that was not murdered for being trans? If there are murdered and missing indigenous women they probably were not murdered by white men.
Pocahontas lived at the dawn of the 17th Century (1595-1617); now, in the 21st Century (2021), we have the Virginia Pamunkey Reservation, but most of them don't look like First Nation People. After 4 Centuries, Powhatan Ancestry can be tenuous.
You reckon?
Blue and Green eyes.....
So true
First Nation is a Candadian term. This is America not Canada. 🤦♀️
I must have missed this episode of 90-day fiancée.
So, in England, she was basically exploited. She was basically a sideshow exhibit. She was miserable, and died young.
She was famous, but home sick, and Rolfe and her set sail to return to Virginia, and that's when she got sick then died. Never made it back.
ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC
I am confused, what happened the other baby she has when she was captured. I am not talking about the her son, the other one before she become rebecca.
Part of the sketchy details. I was going to ask the same.
I am a direct descendant of Nicketti, the niece of Pocahontas through the Nathaniel Davis family. There is an old family oral history that says that Nicketti was actually the child f Pocahontas and John Smith, and not her niece. It was just covered up. Whether that is true or not and whether it applies to this situation remains to be seen. I can tell you that My grandmother looked much like Jane Rolfe (granddaughter of Pocahontas, wife of Robert Bolling) and Virginia Jefferson Randolph (granddaughter of Thomas Jefferson), herself a Pocahontas descendant on her father's side (Thomas Mann Randolph Jr.).
I just checked, and there was also speculation that John Smith and Pocahontas may have had a son named Peregrine Smith. This has never been conclusively verified; Peregrine Smith is not recognized by the Pocahontas Society. However, I'm glad to see the historians are finally opening up to the possibility of Pocahontas having another child besides Thomas Smith Rolfe.
@@dianekennedy7086 Have you had a dna test?
@@graceamerican3558 Yes, I have. I ran a search for "Powhatan" on my DNA test results this morning, and came up with twenty-seven matches. Most of the matches understandably were for Nicketti (sometimes spelled "Niketti"), but three in particular pertained to Pocahontas. Of those three Pocahontas matches, two pertained to the Barnett family line, whom the Pocahontas Society does not recognize either. But here is where the "plot thickens" so to speak. On my grandfather's (not my grandmother's) side of the family, I found a match for - you guessed it - Peregrine Smith, shown as the son of Pocahontas and John Smith. That's probably why I missed it - I was looking in the wrong place. I ran DNA searches on the maiden names of some of the women in that line, and it seemed to ring true. But I doubt the Pocahontas Society ever recognizes Peregrine Smith. In their eyes, you have to be a documented descendant of John Fairfax Bolling (great grandson of Pocahontas and John Rolfe) to be a member of that organization.
This truly is a Universal story. I met my "Pocahontas", in Vietnam. Some things never change. I'm a Great - Grandfather now ... She passed Two Years ago. The Children, Her "gift", to me.
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James wasn't the British king, he was king of Scotland and England, they were separate kingdoms at the times, they also wouldn't have used the Union flag on the ships.
If I may add , the man that reads out the statement about John Smith being released early in the video , would never have an accent like that . He was supposed to be English .
Having said that , I did enjoy the whole video despite a few mistakes here and there .
Why does Dan snow's face and voice have to be in the beginning of every podcast and video ?? I find it very off-putting😒😒 . I think he likes the sound of his own voice way too much!
she was twelve
she was taken as a hostage
way to go colonialism
She was not twelve when she was taken hostage though....she was a born in 1595 and taken hostage I think somewhere between 1611-1613...that would make her 16-18 at that time.
Why does Captain Newport have an American accent?
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American accent is closer to the accent for England back then. It was the English who changed their accent after the United States already became a country. I actually learned this while studying in England.
Time well spent.
My ancestor was from Inca and Spaniard royalty which is crazy
Hello cousin
ROMANCE?! SHE WAS 9!
if one more historian stupidly calls us indians.....smdh
My late wife was directly descended from Pocahontas and Nancy Ward Fivekiller who did an amazing amount of peace and healing with the Indians and the White settlers.
Healing? There was never "healing". When do you think that happened?
@@jimmyjamzzz3046 look up Nancy Ward. ok?
She's well documented.
@@tgmccoy1556 Go look up the modern day relationship of the US Government and Native American Tribes. Really not that great. Also one person can "heal" a genocide, like she speaks for every tribe and all the atrocities. I'm not following your logic at all with naming one person and saying everything is fine and dandy.
@@jimmyjamzzz3046 l did not say that. Nancy Ward was a tribal leader she prevented a lot of blood being spilled bon both sides. To this day she is held in high regard by the Cherokee. Again look her up I'm not going to fight.
I'm fully aware of the issues facing Native Americans my paternal
Grandmother was Eastern Cherokee.
Im supposedly related to her as well. I just got this news through a DNA website but how can you really know?
I live 100 yards from where she is buried. 😀😉
Her remains should be brought back to the US. Shame on England for not allowing it.
@@deborahasher176 Shame on the USA for treating its indigenous people like, 💩 She be much safer and more respected in England, after all she did married an English man.
Say a prayer at her grave,, for those of us living in the USA who are sadened by this portion of our history, yet not responsible for it. By honoring her, we might diminish the treatment leveled on her and her people. RIP
@@markmoreno7295 I will mate, she is very well looked after here in my home town, both by the Tourist and town folk, one love ❤️ to you my friend. 😍👍🏻
@@deborahasher176
Why? US are most responsible of everything bad that can be related to the native inhabitants.
Sheshe already had child by time she met John Smith with kokomo one of her native chiefs
Very interesting and informative. Thanks for the upload.
Honoring you for all you do. Susie from Bluegrass Land.
Contrary to Disney’s portrayal of this well-known ‘family film,’ the true story of Pocahontas is not one of a romance, but a tragedy. Pocahontas was one of the first real-life Missing, SA and Murdered Indigenous Women (MMIW).
Pocohantas is my 13th great grandma. She married kocoum and had a child named kaokee with him. Kaokee is my 12 th great grandma. They killed kocoum. And tricked Pocohantas….
Romanticizing the genocide of a people and a culture. Thats nice. Your channel has 3 million people looking to you for facts. Do better. EDIT: i DO realize that this is an older documentary, seemingly from the 2000's, however THIS video was UPLOADED 2021. this is dated, incorrect, and detrimental misinformation.
Nobody really knows but there was the potential for love ❤️
Very good video and thanks for uploading .
As regards descendants from Pocahontas I'm not sure if anyone has touched on Elvis Presley being one of them ?
I know this from my own family tree research . Thanks .
What ?? Really ?? How can you prove this ? If true that's amazing !!
@@dreamcatcher5502 According to my tree on Ancestry it's true
Of course all the information is fed in by others so we just have to take their word for it .
There is no conclusive proof .
I am not sure why it’s not clear but when I researched my family history Jacob Jacobsen Elkins was the first in command over the Virginian Albany colony. Also Henry Elkins was first to set foot on land from New Netherlands Trading Company. New Netherlands trading company hired Jacob Jacobsen Elkins to do the first negotiations with the Indians. Captain John Smith was replaced by an Elkins I am not sure which Elkins there was three Elkins involved with the New Netherlands trading company. Henry and John Elkins each were explorers with their own ships. Henry hired to find passages up the rivers and bays of New York and John I think had the task of carrying the first passengers of the Dutch. Jacob Jacobsen was English but he was hired to do negotiations for the Dutch because he learned the Indian languages. He was first in command at the Virginian fort in Albany. There is documents that state a captain Elkin or Elkins replaced John Smith. My grandfather was soldier who owned his own ship the Jubilee , A different Henry Elkins who came to Boston 4 years after Boston was established, then moved to New Hampshire.
And as an old Vaudeville tune once queried, "Who played poker with Pocahontas after John Smith sailed away?"
amazing , so intresting
Disappointing but not surprising to see that this documentary completely glossed over the horrifying nature of the English presence and the way that Pocahontas had very little say in anything that happened to her. She did not choose to abandon her family and culture to go gallivanting across Europe of her own accord
Why they painted her picture like she was a white woman,pretty sure her skin color must have been like when you mix coffee and milk together,sad story,I guess everything man touched they destroyed 😩
Your comment makes zero sense.
Famous last words lol
This script is inaccurate in so many ways. The opening lines refer to Metoaca as a princess. That should provide a cue as to the perspective and purported facts. Her mother was a Patawomeck (as in Potomac River), while her father was Powhatan (his real name was Wahunsenacawh). Eastern nations were matrilinial. Metoaca was Patawomeck and her nation was part of the Powhatan confederacy. She was married to John Rolf as a means to cement an alliance between the Patawomeck and English against the overpowering Powhatan nation. I am a direct descendant of John Rolf and Metoaca, through their son. Metoaca dies in London, age 21, and she is buried at Graves End, outside London. She had been eager to return to her nation, prior to becoming ill.
Apparently she was Edward Nortons 12X great grandmother 😅
Good documentary. I wish I had came across these in college. Many of professors were idiots
Let's not overlook she was a traitor to her people.
Nobody knew how that was going to end, but a great story non the less.
No one’s gonna even attempt an English accent??
Um, u left out Henrico County
Came for Elizabeth Warren comments ... didn't have to scroll that down lol
what im left confused about is when did tomantic/sexual relations with individuals in their biologically developmental stages became something to be ostrasized???
The senior senator of Massachusetts?
There should really be a real life fact checked movie!
Why we can't along ❤❤
No, she was married to someone she loved, with a child.
No she was forced to marry her colonizer he was twice her age she was a child tf
@@dkay5014 I was talking about before she was kidnapped by the colonizers. In her tribe. She was already married.
John Rolfe was the man she married with children. I don't think John Smith was married or have a child before met Pocahontas.
John smith wrote fanfiction before it was cool
Pocahontas ❤️
this story is typical of white ppl white-washing history to make white ppl sound victorious.
@@siaf2398 victorious? Its not a story about victory or defeat. Its a story about pain and survival, and pocahontas played a huge part in helping them survive. She saved John smiths life multiple times even. In turn Smith played the most important part in keeping Jamestown from becoming a cemetery.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 Nope. that ain't nothing but MORE WHITE wrong HISTORY.
wow. what complete bs. I've got an igloo to sell you.
author/archeologist Scott Dawson tells the most accurate account. seems like white folk like to tell the story of some "princess" that saves them. THIS is a fantasy.
John Smith was known for these kinds of make-believe stories.
Worst thing they ate was EACH OTHER!!!
Europeans were doing the same, except drinking grinded up human shakes mummia
That was great!
what BS is that last lady talking bout..
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1Jhon 1:8-9.
Se afirmarmos que estamos sem pecado, enganamos a nós mesmos, e a verdade não está em nós. Se confessarmos os nossos pecados, ele é fiel e justo para perdoar os nossos pecados e nos purificar de toda injustiça.
1 João 1:8-9
It's amazing to me that there are still people who believe in Bronze Age fairy tales. Grow up already
@@christheghostwriter bronze age? The only begotten Son of God came during the Roman empire days. That isn't bronze age.
Also what's amazing is how people are so easily brainwashed into becoming athiests. Its no wonder brainwashing ideologies like communism/nazism spreads in mainly athiestic countries. If you can convince a person to deny God, you can convince them into anything, even into supporting their own oppression.
She was 10.
Everyone must die! Lol
Is “land ho” what they hollered when they saw Pocahontas?
Elizabeth Warren ?
"Pocahontas" Warren. Great choice "Lizzy"
I like her
My wife is Menomonee Indian.
Menomonee translates to "wild rice people" because that was a staple of their meals.
Now she eats hamburgers.
O yum yum
😁😁😂😂
She has good taste
And what signet rings??
I think my ancestor or framed and murdered.
The story sounds creepy sounds like Chester the molester story
They couldn't find a tanner guy for the cheif lol
Timeline
FOUND ....TOOK
Acting wow
Why do they have American accents if they are English?
I am quite certain I am a distant relative of Gosnold at 13:35 or so. Even have blue eyes. Holy moly.
those american ladies haircuts, god.
2:23 and the loud stupid music hasn't let up. Bye
#timeline
Super informative documentary. It would have been nice if they had mentioned her descendants of her first child, who married into the Pettis/ Pettus family.....
th-cam.com/video/vZ2UfYWRaHs/w-d-xo.html
Is this the story of elizabeth Warren?
Pretty much the story of Elizabeth "Pocahontas " Warren whose given Anglo-Christian name is Elizabeth.
This documentary is completely inaccurate from the start...
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WRONG!!!
WRONG HISTORY!
Powhatan was a black man as were the Powhatan tribe. And that's disgusting to call Pocahontas little play thing. Gross.
They weren't violent savages who destroyed their own lands
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul apparently someone was.
@@nonyabidness1838 yeah, especially how violent Chicago is
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul yeah I wonder what caused all this?
@@nonyabidness1838 i know! Your kind! And no, not whites, because in the old days, you behaved properly
Beautiful story of those days yes people can co exist
Too bad it is a complete lie. She was 12.
I hope so
Trust Jesus Christ the SON of GOD!!!
Elisabeth Warren
Shi*, you just beat me to it!
Lmfao...pure gold
😂🤣😂🤣
Wow, such imagination.
@tenebrous soul lol, it’s somehow racist to joke about Elizabeth Warren’s practically non-existent native heritage? I don’t hear him saying he hates natives. Learn to have a sense of humor.
elizabeth warren is pochahontas
You get an A+ for lack of imagination.
@@mdaze9753 And you get an A+ for no humor.
@@mdaze9753 Elizabeth "Pocahontas " Warren go Lizzy.
Graves End 🥲 what terrible place for it all to end for her. Cold, grey and wet part of the world
This is a very dated interpretation.
Ok, some of this is inaccurate. John Smith was brutal and a liar.
A liar? Says who? Brutal? Yes, but in a way that he had to be. He had to be brutal to the English settlers, so many were lazy and eating way too much. He had to implement that no work no eat rule. And the work was tough but as a result he Jamestown didn't end, and they didn't all die.
He wasn’t even real
Oh, you knew him personally, did you? Or did you just read it in a book and decide to make it your narrative? Well, here's news: other people, including historians, studied other books - and documentation, and decided on a different narrative to yours. Tough luck!
@@kelrogers8480 I think you read the book and decided to make it your narrative. Historians have debunked your claim. He went to other countries too you know. And he told that same story about a native princess wanting him and saving him from the brink of death almost every time. By the way you weren't there either
@@shannonmayer18 No, I did not read "The book". It's called proper academic study. One examines the documentation and evidence. You really don't sound too bright, and your emotional IQ is obviously quite low. Seriously, your comments are not those of a a mature adult! But as long as you feel you're "winning", I guess that's all that matters. But I don't argue with children, so cheers!
There's a county in my home state of West Virginia called Pocahontas County. Now I'll see it in a different light. I absolutely love these historical stories. Harmony was brought about by a carefree woman with humility & grace. Pocahontas aka Rebecca must've been amazing...her last words were "Everyone must die."
Oh my, Senator munchkin is yours.
I totally said that...😉🤣
I was told that all his writing was a lie. That he made himself look like a great guy which was the opposite of what he really was
Yep she was only 12. He killed her tribe. Then forced her to marry her. Thats the cliff notes of the story.
@dnvdk You mean Jebediah Springfield?
@natasha you mean Jedidiah
@@jimmyjamzzz3046 She never married Smith. She married a man named John Roulf. They traveled to England and had one child named Thomas.
No Smith’s writing are considered exaggerated but they are invaluable. And Smith is involved in many things in the new world. He maps the North American coast and the Pilgrims use his maps of the New England area. As to Virginia being northern, it is well north of the Caribbean and extended to New Amsterdam ( the Hudson River).
Shame on you, Timeline. So many of your other documentaries are really good. This one is an ahistorical embarrassment. Basically a John Smith puff piece. I know you can do better because you have so often done better.
"There's no women and children to absorb the growing agression." WTF does that mean?
Men being able to say what they think and feel about things that upset them, which has a 'defusing' effect at an emotional level. Sometimes this is benign for the women and children and other times men will 'take out' these feeling with brutality towards them.
@@rosaliesteward2160 No.
@@rosaliesteward2160 that's stupid
@@elliott7706 I agree, it would be better if people took responsibility for their feelings, rather than take them out on the innocent or vulnerable.
Historically Rosalie is correct. Women especially have a tendency to civilize men.
I will come to your neighborhood, plant my flag, and claim by the grace of my god, sovereignty for my use and profit.
And then have a nationwide tantrum when accused of racism in 2021.
A great Chief once said white man can say they own mother earth but we came from mother earth when we all die we will all go back to mother earth so who owns who mother earth owns us all
@Baba Gandu that’s extremely racist
@@thelivingrisi7233 why not just go ahead and say you’re racist
Your comment, and the narrative of this video, come from a misinformed, or deliberate retelling of historical facts. The settlers did not, as the narrator put it, come with military force, looking to take whatever they wanted. They came as a people looking to get out from underneath the oppressive feet of the king. They had only a small contingent of soldiers to protect from the unknown of who might oppose their presence. And despite only trying to survive in the early months after their arrival, the natives did not receive them kindly. They distrusted the settlers, obviously, which, in turn, naturally lead to a distrust on both sides.
From that point on, it was about survival by any means necessary, from both sides. And in so doing, there would certainly have been atrocities that occurred, as desperation tends to turn people into animals, unless they have very strong faith in God. This process repeated itself throughout history, all over the world. There weren't teaching courses to learn new languages that no one had ever heard before in their own countries. So, whenever people from "new worlds" met, it really was like meeting someone from an entirely different world. Completely different languages, cultures, appearances, everything. This surely made understanding between the two parties very difficult.
Revisionist "historians" frequently retell stories of white men just showing up and taking everything. That simply is not accurate. This narrative is all part of the same garbage that gives birth to critical race theory. It's all about planting seeds of hatred between all of us. The sooner we all let go of our emotions and start looking at historical facts, and asking genuine questions, the sooner we can have peace in this country.
I just LOVE 90s/early 2000s documentaries. It was definitely not marketed and designed for the stupid reality show pawn stars tmouth breather type of crowd. Was just information and history. And HISTORIANS talking at length about things. Oh how I miss it. I was just a bunch of flash and stupidity and very little infor by the end of it. All entertainment.
He already has an American accent when he opens the instructions that was quick
... because he’s a distant relative of Joe Exotic...
And why is he wearing a conquistador helm? I thought they where English?
@@kenzieoliver14 every major european nation of that time-period had those crescent-&-crested/bladed styled helmets; not just the spaniards...
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Lmaooooooo