Have The Boleyn Sisters Been Misunderstood By History? | A Tale Of Two Sisters | Chronicle
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- The lives of Anne and Mary Boleyn are misunderstood. Anne, the beheaded wife of Henry VIII, has been both celebrated and damned, seen as both a schemer or a victim. Her sister Mary is less remembered and often dismissed as a fool and a whore. But what was the truth? This remarkable documentary goes on the hunt for answers, seeking out the fascinating truths of one of history's most beguiling sisterhoods.
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A king obsessed with a male heir… ironically it was his daughter who would become one of the most memorable European monarchs.
Agreed. His son isn't as popular as his sister...as well as his mother. It seems like noone care about Jane nowadays
And it was through Henry’s sister Margaret that the Stewart/Tudor line continued after Elizabeth.
Anne's daughter, not just Henry's! Anne definitely got the last laugh
Right?!! The irony.
@@fafh01 Both Jane and Edward were just footnotes in history. It was Anne and Elizabeth who stuck more in our memories. 😅
"They were strong. They did the best with what they had, and then they were punished for being too good at it" I think the lady in the blue sweater summed it up better than I ever could!
That line gave me goosebumps!
NO !!! They were even MORE STUPID, and GREEDY, then Their whole Family !!!
every time she was on screen, I kept saying "Icon"
That is literally a womans life in a nutshell. Of course, for them it was astronomically magnified.
Also, I absolutely LOVE documentaries with people that radiate such passion for the very thing they are talking about. They are a joy to watch.
Everyone, make of female, used what they had, and ran the risks of being punished for it if they did it too well. One could argue that an ambitious woman ran the same risks as an ambitious man in Henry's court - it's called "equality"!
Noone seems to feel sympathy for Cathrine of Aragon. She was an intelligent queen helped Henry and was cast off to die miserably all alone in a cold castle.
NO ONE.
She even rode out in full armor to meet the Scottish forces when Henry was away on a campaign to France. Some people don't appreciate anything. He could have annulled the marriage and left it at that. What a prick not to let her see her own daughter. Some people claimed he had brain trauma from his fall, but he was a jerk way before that
I feel sorry for her. After the death of her first husband she lived isolated and in poverty until Henry took her back. What a bitch to be born a woman in those days
She couldn't settle for an annulment. She had the future of her daughter Queen Mary to think of
Well, don't forget. Henry isn't a little boy anymore when she married him. Once a crown is put on his head, he now had considered his wife's decisions in consideration. He has other men to advise him. Yes, she helps her country and everything, but you have one detail that most people tend to forget. Nbles would do anything to get the king's favor. He was already dissatisfied with her because there is no son only mary. so people were already standing in line offering their daughters even wives to be his mistress. So either way, there wasn't really loyalty towards the queen Katherine of Aragon anyway.
If only Anne had known of the incredible influence of her daughter, Queen Elizabeth I.
Mary seems to be the true smart one. She likely saw the politics and she wanted nothing of it. She’s the one who married for love, stayed away from the drama of Court and died a wealthy woman.
"love" aka money and lust.
@@Charless_Martel she got her wealth after her family death not from her husband
Honestly, it's not about how "smart" they were around marriage and life at court, both women didn't seem to have much of a choice. Mary, when she had an affair with Henry, still married to Catharine of Aragon at that point, and Anne, because saying no the King was seen as high treason, especially around marriage proposals. Anne did believe she was marrying for love too. The King was head over heels for her for nearly a decade before her failure to produce a male heir blindsighted their happiness in Henry's eyes. Furthermore, at least the second time Mary no longer attended court, it was due to her secretive marriage, not gaining permission from her own sister before the ceremony was held, and due to the pregnancy Mary flaunted at Court, enraging Anne, possibly because the Queen was growing more anxious about the lack of sons she had given the King. So maybe you're right, but I definitely think that both women thought what they were doing was right, and was for love.
I think you are right about that, Mary died tragically. If she had been able to marry earlier European History would turned out different. I think Henry was such a terrible person! He delighted in corrupting women.
And her descendant Elizabeth II is on the throne... So well done Mary ♥️
No matter how many times I hear or read about this period of Tudor history, I never tire of it. Thank you for this!
Poor Catherine. Henry was disgusting!
And the sisters are the ones remembered as sluts. Not king Henry who went on to many more marriages &mistresses. 🙄
Both girls, scandalous or not, lived in a time when women were treated as insignificant. They both got caught up in the race for their place in King Henry's court. The fact that both were noticed by the King sealed their fate. It all went down hill from there. It was basically a vicious love/hate triangle.
Yes times may have been tough for females but it doesn’t mean it was impossible for high status women to maintain dignity and morality in that time. Other women proved this around Henry, Anne did nothing but play the same games as Henry with no true remourse for anyone who might have suffered from her short rise and fall. Women could easily stay passive not to engage in many of the negative things Anne Boleyn allowed herself to become involved in. She is not the saint everybody likes to paint her as. That being said, many people would have been doing the same stuff to rise to the top given the chance.
True, Henry left a trail of blood with whomever he got involved with.
They were only scandalous because they had their own opinions.
@@elanabethfariss117 what leader.doesnt especially these days...look at bidens supposedly inept ukraine.fiasco
..ive been writing for months he would need lots.of bodies to cover for his and top.demonrat treason and corruption ...and look lots of bodies and major propoganda that has also unleashed the mob hate and violence against innocent russians...and anyone who doesnt GOOSESTEP to his tune.
@@mcmag888 I find it difficult to come up with 1 single woman (queens, or princesses), who were not at 1 time, and mostly more than 1 time, suspected, or accused of being immoral, either by their contemporaries, or historians of later ages. People doubt whether Queen Elizabeth really was a virgin, or if her Guardian took advantage of her, and why was she so jealous of the young courtiers? Her sister, Mary made herself look like a fool, the way she loved Phillip ll of Spain. Mary, Queen of the Scots were accused of having killed her husband, together with Boswell her lover, some Earl got beheaded because he wanted to marry her, and free her, and rule with her. I don't know, but this is the old story, men want to do whatever they want, but the minute a woman does it, it's immoral. Anne was not ambitious, and only wanted to keep her head on her body.
Now, Anne Boleyn saw a lot of flirtations in Paris. Even though somebody wrote a comment, that she was protected by the Queen from the wolves, well, wolves have many tricks up their furs. Maybe the King of France himself was found to be the culprit, and to save his face, and not provoke another stupid war, Henry decided to accuse others. He didn't notice her for some years, because the shame was so great for her, that she didn't "shine". Then Mary had an affair with Henry, and Anne found out that the British court is just as immoral, and shined up. Then he saw her, and felt like King David. What do you think? Can you come up with a name, I can only find some who became Nuns, or were old widows, or ugly.
I think that all of Henry VIII's wives were mistreated and abused by the misogynistic mindset of the time. I can't imagine suffering repeated miscarriages and stillborn births alone but then to also be made to feel shame that the child that survived was merely a girl. It's awful. I think all of these women were fascinating and some were inspiring due to their strength of character.
A lot of men were mistreated by Henry as well - a lot!
@@kelrogers8480Oh will somebody think about the men….
They didn't talk about Ann's phantom pregnancy or the fact that she lost the boy due to Henry falling from his horse with a head injury. He went into a coma and she lost the baby due to fear and stress over his health or near death.
I also hoped for more in-depth facts, but...I've learned that these 48-58 minutes documentaries, if they are not a series of 4, are very shallow. It kinda frustrates me a bit, because I can't compare it to the audiobooks I've listened to, or if that is not available, the books I have read myself online. So, I watch these documentaries to see the castles, etc. but for in-depth facts...you will always be disappointed,
Wow, I didn’t know… makes sense, sad ‼️🫤
That's incorrect, she didn't lose the baby boy due to him falling off his horse. Anne lost the baby boy because of the stress of seeing him with Jane Seymour.
@@sekichdawn3913 that, too.
Well not only that but she also caught him with Jane Seymour on his lap a couple hours before she lost the baby.
I would like to see someone research the truth of why so many of Henry’s expected children ended in miscarriage. I believe that the truth lies in the fact that Henry had sex with so many different women that he carried a variety of diseases which he infected proceeding women with, causing the loss of so many pregnancies. Why did Queen Catherine have so many miscarriages? Were Ann Boleyn’s miscarriages a result of being infected by Henry? It’s also interesting that the first pregnancies of Henry’s women ended in healthy children but following pregnancies ended in miscarriage.
Everything you said plus blood types not being compatible.
It was believed that Henry was suffering from syphilis which was easily transmitted via intercourse. The medical school at Edinburgh did a study on this topic.. Syphilis is a pretty corrosive disease, especially on the female reproductive system. A statistic; "Syphilis in pregnant women can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, or the baby's death shortly after birth. Approximately 40% of babies born to women with untreated syphilis can be stillborn or die from the infection as a newborn."
@@abbagailmarie9874 yes indeed. I agree. Sadly for the women and babies. 😢
Also on a different channel they mentioned that since the women gave birth to girls first that extra pressure was added onto them and their lives would have changed in means of what they ate to who they had around them all day and they were reminded in a negative way everyday that they would be killed if they didn’t produce a male quickly. So the stress from that can cause miscarriages and add the possibility of a std. The women really never had a chance.
Henry and Catherine of Aragon had a son first, named Henry, sadly he died 52 days into his short life. Next, Mary Tudor was born. Imagine if his son had survived…
I really don't think Mary was less intelligent. She seems like she was just someone with different goals and less willingness to take a risk.
pretty sure that sleeping around with a french king and then becoming king Henry’s mistress RIGHT after getting married to her then husband is quite risky…
Oh boy…
Every time I hear the name "Anne Boelyn", I think of that scene in 'Steel Magnolias" between Olympia Dukakis and Shirley Maclaine:
"It says here Anne Boleyn had 6 fingers."
"Who's Anne Berlin?"
"Anne BO-leyn. She was one of the six wives of Henry VIII."
"What happened to the other 4?"
"She had 11 total."
"Are you trying to confuse me?"
4 some reason can’t get enough of these sisters!!!! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!!!!!!
Woolsey actually did Mary Boleyn a favor by keeping her out of court.
Church always has big Influence
@@winniedhaouadi1973 as it should
@@heartofjesusdj AS IT DEFINITELY SHOULDN'T!!! ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING AND DEMONIC!! CHURCH OFFICIALS CLAIMING TO BE SO HIGH AND MIGHTY.. VESSELS IN WHICH "THE LORD SPEAKS THROUGH, SPEAKING IN TONGUES AND PREACHING ON HOW WE "SHOULD BE LIVING; AND "VOCALLY AND VERBALLY" UTTERING rehearsed and animated sermons; ALL THE WHILE committing the exact sins, and disgusting bottom feeding BEHAVIORS, that they are TELLING US IS SINFUL AND WRONG!!!! TALK ABOUT BEING A FXXIN BIGOT AND DISGRACEFUL AND DISHONORABLE LIAR AND POS!! I WAS RAISED ROMAN CATHOLIC; AND HAVE COMPLETED THE SEVEN SACRAMENT; I AM NOW AT 43 YEARS OLD, no longer religious.. but extremely spiritual!!! I believe in Good energies, A CREATOR AND KARMAS, AS WELL AS THE POWER OF THE WORD AND SPEAKING AND THINKING THINGS INTO EXISTENCE!!! READ THE BOOK OF ENOCH AND LEARN THE TRUTHS
Anne didn't deserve to be killed, but how she treated the young Princess Mary says a lot about her. When Henry punished his daughter Mary and made her serve in toddler/infant Elizabeth's court, Anne locked her in her room so Henry couldn't see her. Once when Mary waved at him out the window, Anne was furious when Henry waved back. She also was furious at the young Mary's refusal to call her queen, and would have her physically punished. Anne didn't bother to hide her happiness at Catherine of Aragon's death, in front of Princess Mary.
Yes, I agree. Anne Boleyn absolutely did not deserve to have what happened to her, a brutal execution on trumped up charges, but I don't find her all that likeable. She had an undeniable influence on Henry, especially in the early days of their relationship and I wish she had tried to steer him into being a more compassionate type of King. However, if she'd had done this, she'd not have insisted on marriage and the King's Great Matter wouldn't have happened the way it did.
Henry is far more guilty of treating Mary despicably than Anne, because, at the end of the day... Henry was the KING. NOTHING happened without his consent or approval (and if it did, that was treason and you lost your head). Anne may have made the suggestions, but unless Henry had agreed and given Anne the authority to act, what exactly could she do? Besides, Henry COULD have declared that, whether she was a bastard or not, Mary was STILL his child, and would be respected and treated as such. But, he didn't. As for celebrating Catherine of Aragon's death, again - if Henry had said "no party" there would have been no party. But... he didn't. In fact, he was far more vocal than Anne in expressing happiness and relief over Catherine's demise. Even AFTER Anne was dead, it took the cajoling of Jane Seymour to make Henry treat Mary with ANY sort of kindness - and that only AFTER she signed documents affirming she was illegitimate. Anne may not have been wholly innocent in what happened to Mary (at the very least, she was guilty of complicity, because it's very likely that she knew Mary was mistreated, and she did nothing to correct it), but blaming Anne for everything was merely an excuse to absolve Henry of culpability.
@@TrippingGraceYou’re missing the point..no one is claiming Henry was a good person, everyone is claiming Anne Boleyn was. People claim Anne was a innocent victim of Henry, that she was just a good woman who had no choice. If Anne really was such a good person, innocent and had no part, she wouldn’t treat a child like that. Yes Henry is trash, but Anne Boleyn wasn’t the innocent girl who had no choice but to be with Henry. All the other wives of Henry treated his children with kindness, Anne was the only one to treat Mary bad. Anne didn’t deserve what happened to her but im sick of people acting like she was a saint. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Yes, and i believe, somewhere, somehow, in Henrys colluded mind, he seen this witnessed this and It sickened him, hence, one more thing that led to her ultimate demise.
@@TrippingGraceyou're wrong though. She caused the whole deal regarding Mary. In every way she stomped her feet, and put a huge wedge between Henry and Mary. Period
This goes to show and further support how women were just used as bargaining chips and pawns in the life and dealings of men. Women were given next to no agency, yet they were required to accept so much responsibility and blame when things beyond their reach or control occurred.
And many women defied those odds and refused to simply accept their lot. Like Marilyn Monroe said, "well behaved women rarely make history".
Nope
@@Elly3981 she never said that
@@idontgiveafaboutyou Yes, she did.
@@Elly3981”many” didnt for centuries. Dont blame women who had ambitious fathers and brothers and uncles for their fates.
Henry the 8th, notorious narcissist womanizer, BLAAARGH. Henry wasn't "Utterly in love with her," he was utterly in lust with her. However, Elizabeth was a triumph. What a woman...What a Queen.
It's kind of ironic that Henry was absolutely devastated that he had two daughters who he considered couldn't be heirs to the throne only to have them be two of the most powerful women in English royal history.
@Mavis they had to guard their power more jealousy. Prove their strength.
Doesn’t make it right but I bet that’s one reason they were so ruthless.
It's likely he did love her in the beginning. His panic for her when she caught the searing sickness shows that.
One of history's greatest ironies.
What did she ever do?
Actually, Anne already hated the Cardinal Wolsey. She had been in love with Henry Percy before she was in love with the King and Woolsey ended their relationship. Also after that when she started seeing the king Woolsey called her a silly girl and basically said she wasn't good enough for the king. She had many reasons to hate him long before the annulment didn't go through.
Henry the 8th was a disgusting, adulterer. Anns father is very responsible for her brother, sister and her ill fate. What loving father would tell his daughter's to sleep with the King of England and force his only son to marry a woman he didn't love or want to marry? The whole situation makes me sick.
is there any actual written report that he told her those exact words? and besides that, even if he told her to go ahead with the King, if Anne rlly didnt want to do it , she wouldnt. she was already in good hands just being at the court, she had some sort of indepedence there where she could have her chance of meeting some other noble gentleman and make her life. and im pretty sure she did try to catch Henrys attention in various ways. it wasnt purely coincidental that he noticed her or decided to make advancements to her. she had been raised in the french court and had surely learned the ways of subtle flirting. sure her family played a role in her up bringing, but the choice was always there for her, to keep a low profile and live a peaceful life at court, while trying to secure a noble man closer to her standing.
Many a father in royal court.
You realize it happened over and over with each subsequent wife being pushed by male relatives in the court, yes? 😂
@@riateor2243it did not work that way back then. A woman was first the PROPERTY of her father. If she married she was then the PROPERTY of her HUSBAND. If he died, her in-laws and father battled for which one she was the property of. Women COULD NOT HOLD LAND IN THEIR OWN NAME. Everything a woman brought to a marriage from HER family became her HUSBAND'S property. If he died, her property was split between the elder male of her birth family and the in-laws. Women HAD NO AGENCY. Anne was the FIRST noble woman to be granted property IN HER OWN NAME that was not tied to marriage or her father/brother. PERIOD. That in itself elevated Anne as a PIONEER.
In addition, many people forget that the reason Henry married Jane was that she was COMPLIANT and would not challenge Henry. She QUICKLY became pregnant and died from a uterine infection (usually from dirty instruments or retained placenta at the tine) and thus died shortly after the marriage. Anne of Cleves started the rehabilitation of the princesses but Kat Howard did nothing to advance it. Katherine Parre wad THE person who brought Henry's daughters back to court. And SHE was nearly arrested for heresy herself. She just outlived the king.
Brilliant documentary! I absolutely loved it! As a historian (obsessed with documentaries) and a writer, this was the first documentary I've seen about historical women and was narrated by a woman, and all the experts were women. My mind has been blown. Brava! I have a new view of the Boleyn women.
Anne Boleyn is my favorite female of history. The reality is that women were pawns and they knew this. Anne was not weak but she was still used. Henry was a narcissistic individual who listened to fools and took what he wanted. Anne was supposed to marry another and Henry destroyed and prevented that. She hated Wolsey becuz Wolsey hated her and knew she was smart and a threat to his influence with the king. Anne died with dignity and whatever she did, she was wise beyond her years and survived as best she could in a situation that was impossible. Henry had several wives and concubines. Those concubines gave him illegitimate children. Henry was a manipulator. Who would say no to the king? Please, to call her manipulative and a whore is ridiculous. Any manipulation was to survive. She adapted to her situation, to survive. Her daughter carried her strength. Anne gave the world one of the strongest and well known rulers history has ever known. She got her justice.
Why is she better than her daughter??
I whole heartedly agree.
Except for the systematic torture and abuse of the Princess Mary.
Elizabeth I is my fave female in history so far…she defied the odds and mastered the game with everything she had.
@@CountessKittenOh stfu. She was only there for less than 3 years during which Mary was sent away as was Aragon…you’re relying on propaganda by Catholic members of court who also claimed Anne had 6 fingers (spoiler: she didn’t.)
I’m speaking as a Catholic: Spanish and other ambassadors said whatever they could to feed anti-Anne and anti-Protestant sentiment as much as they could including claiming she was picking on a princess they held in affection.
I always find it ironic when people say Mary was ‘less intelligent’. Mary married for love, outlived her family and died a wealthy enuff happy woman.
I agree 💯
And kept her head about it lol 🤣🤣🤣
I have read other sources that shows Anne when she was at the French court was protected from the predators of the court by the Queen Dowager as she was one of her Maids of Honor. She was tutored by many of the great minds of Europe of the time including Erasmus and kept out of the court politics unlike her sister. Her religious education allowed her to support Henry directly in writing up the terms of the Church of England.
The possible McLeod’s syndrome for Henry which is believed by some medical authorities as the source of the miscarriages. There are other medical and psychological effects upon Henry and combined with advanced diabetes can paint his true picture. The first birth goes well mostly, but the not the further ones which would miscarriage or born very sickly.
Whoever and whatever impressive situations Anne may have been associated with does not make her exempt from what negative things she associated herself with; scandal and deception. She tried to rise up in that manner and it was her downfall.
Lmao those are utter bullshit
Lmfao..there are only 150.cases of diagnosed mcclouds in a population of 8.5 billion...chances are not
@@mcmag888 I hope you haven’t been reading the trash that Philippe Gregory puts out. She mixed up Anne and her sister who was also at the French court. The sister was the one who earned the nickname the “English Mare”. Catherine d’Medici was one of the two Anne was Lady in Waiting for. Researchers pointed out that Anne couldn’t have done what was negative things claimed as the timelines weren’t correct.
@@sislertx McLeod’s Syndrome is a genetic disorder so the rate will be very low and that it does effect the rH factors that can cause miscarriages has been shown as well the degradation to the body. It’s an X chromosome transmitted disorder, very rare and would follow a family line with indications that it came through his maternal grandmother.
Wow. This was really good!!! The narration was captivating and gave you food for thought.
It is written by women for women, maybe you’re gay?
Very informative and very interesting documentary, to say the least
The irony of life 😄😄
At the End was Mary Boylen who her descendants are seating on the UK 🇬🇧 Throne !!! Anne a beloved Queen even after 500 years 👸 still a fascinating figure !!
Not to mention Elizabeth ruled for 45 years and there was never a Tudor male on the throne again! Talk about irony.
@@jenameagher5712 I've been told that one or two U.S presidents are descended from Mary Boleyn too.
Well done, it had more information than most movies and other biographies I had seen about the 2 sisters. This was thd first time I heard that Mary, Ann's sister inherited the family home and was a woman of means. It is usually said she married and lived a life of obscurity. Also I never knew Ann had more than one miscarriage.
You really ought to read books to get your information, and not rely on silly documentaries like this one. It missed the central reason why Henry’s annulment was refused by the Pope! He was under house arrest by Charles V, the Holy Roman Emperor who was also Katherine of Aragon’s nephew, so there was no way he would have been free to grant Henry’s request. Had this not happened, Henry wouldn’t have used the title, “Defender of the Faith,” which he was granted by the Pope for writing a stinging treatise against Martin Luther. The only documentary I have seen where this is mentioned is one by David Starkey, but I had already read about it elsewhere.
@voraciousreader3341 I know all that, why, and how the Church was created. I was complimenting some information that is normally left out. I don't need a history lesson or to be told to read more. Honey, I am 70 years old and have read plenty and continue to do so. If I want to compliment someone's style and a different approach to a subject, that's my Prerogative. I bid you good day.
Anne’s multiple miscarriages haven’t been spoken about as much as Katherine’s which is surprising. Like you, I have read many biographies and the miscarriages are barely touched upon. The only one talked about was the one before her execution.
Henry the 8 sounds like one of the most bullshit monarchs of all time, yet it’s the women who are slandered.
Women do like power!
So funny but so true
Henry and Anne both deserve the slander in their own ways
Henry VIII is very much vilified. Anne is slandered for being the "other woman."
Wow! What an incredible story! Beautiful presentation! Even after all these years, Henry X111 remains the most wicked and spoken about monarch of England!!
That was well done, actually.
Henry VIII: " Divorce lawyer? Who needs a bloody divorce lawyer?"
We learned this in high school and I wasn’t interested but now I’m 24 and love history. I think the reason why I wasn’t interested was because we had to right essays and do projects and had to learn on schedule along with 7 other classes.
Whatever you do: don’t read fictional books based on these historic figures. Stick to nonfiction and your eyes will skim over history in the way it was, which is far more fascinating than the trash that gets made into movies and series.
Same, I was far more stressed to balance all the classes to actually develop an interest, more so because teachers did a formality by just reading the book and not explaining the history written.
I do not think the Bolyen sisters were any of the negative things that's been said about them. I think Mary being the oldest and prettiest was for the most part encouraged and maybe even pimped for gain into sleeping around. Anne is the middle child , younger daughter so she can sit back and watch this and learn from Mary's "mistakes". Anne was smart and learned quickly how to maneuver court life. But somethings you can't be taught. She loved Henry and unfortunately karma came calling. She couldn't produce a male heir so she was in the same position as Katherine.
Lol you’re one of those beta males that things women are to be believed right ?
Actually, both CoA and AB had sons but they were all either still-born or died in infancy.
It is somewhat ironic that The Pope’s refusal to grant an annulment of Henry’s first marriage cost the RC church an enormous amount in the long run.
Sort of like the sexual abuse scandal should have had the same effect, but did not. They are here to stay.
@@KO-ov6kg You should look up Protestant molestations.
Sounds weird?
Because it is.
Protestant can marry yet they molest at almost the same rate as Catholic Priests.
How do we know?
Insurance companies paying out huge molestation claims.
I dare you to look it up.
I believe the more Anne denied him, the more he wanted her. It would have fizzled out after 6 months if Anne didn't give him hope for legitimate sons, and Katherine didn't say out loud that his affairs doesn't last that long. Henry viii was with Anne for 7 years before marrying her, but they were only marry for 3 years before she was sent to the scaffold. Anne was sent to the scaffold only 3, to 4 months after Queen Katherine 's death. 3 months is the shortest proper amount of time a window should wait until taking a new wife.
Let me summarize: women subjected to men in power and get raped, threatened, forced to carry children, and then shamed and blamed. The end
This needs 10x upvotes
Perfect summation.
Anne was 100% victim. She left court for 2 years trying to shake Henry from interest. I think she just gave up and went with it because she had no other offers of marriage due to Henry's interest.
40:30 I was just about to say… Mary seems to be the smart one IMO. The survivor. Good on Mary
It’s heartbreaking that women weren’t given credit for being smart, good with strategy, or for being supportive of their husbands. Poor Queen Catherine was discarded the moment she was no longer “useful” to Henry. He did her a great disservice by casting her aside. I am fascinated by Anne and absolutely love her for the strong woman she was. Catherine was also one of my favorite queens because of how loyal she was to Henry despite how she was treated.
Wonderful documentary. Great work by all. The speakers were so interesting and i enjoyed their narration.
These women were so resilient and intelligent, having to deal with political changing tides, the traumas of sexual coercion, having to overcoming huge hurdles just because of their gender, the ability to survive in a hostile environment; i often wonder the levels of success these women would have achieved in todays society.
A documentary the Boleyn Sisters would be very proud of IMHO
Catherine was the wronged wife in this scenario, not Boleyn. Since when do women defend "the other woman" and not the wife.? Anne was a nasty piece of work who was cruel to Catherine of Aragon and her daughter Mary. There's no excusing that and her downfall was no more than poetic justice. Catherine did not birth a healthy son so she lost her husband to Anne. Boleyn lost her head for the same reason. I find these videos that glorify Boleyn very bizarre and bordering on amoral.
I agree with you one hundred percent
You're right. Anne Boleyn was not a nice person either but she still didn't deserve to die the way she did. And even if Anne wanted, could she have refused King Henry's advances and proposals?
Agreed!
you're not very intelligent if you blame the woman and not the man for his mistakes.
I always found it telling how intelligent Anne was, because her daughter ended up being the most famous monarch of England.
Her daughter being queen had nothing to do with Anne. It was Mary's grace. Had Mary wanted to execute Elizabeth. She would have done so, and there would have been no Queen Elizabeth 1. Despite their differences Mary seemed to have some affection towards Elizabeth as her sister.
If there is a hell, I hope the devil himself has been torturing Henry since he died. What a total monster.
I wonder if Anne would have survived when she had offered Henry to take her leave after her last miscarriage in January 1536 or if it was too late at all. However the Tudor time was brutal and Mary was the lucky one to survive. She was very brave to marry for love giving a damn that her sister was queen of England and in the end this was the best to do. For that she was not longer in scope of the fate regarding Anne and George
In hind side it's a good thing to remain unnoticed while attending in court (Mary), don't stand out and you might keep your head on your shoulders. Well played Mary!
i had some weed and started watching this video. back to back comments from different women(in those beautiful English accent) is a very soothing and gives a dramatic effect . i would like to study masters in history in future.
The sisters were merely pawns in their father's ambitious schemes. Granted, Anne had her own.
I enjoyed watching this thank you for the well documented documentary.
Great documentary. Subscribed 👍
Welcome aboard!
Great narrator
Besides their love of luxury, women, and war, Francis I of France was not similar to Henry VIII. Outside of his affairs, Francis was very generous to women, where's Henry was cruel to them. Francis, despite his affairs, was loyal to his queens and he didn't cast them off or behead them likely Henry did.
That has nothing to do with the man, only the expectation of the mob
I think the comparison was not regarding their treatment of women, but their age, their body type, big and brooding, and their renaissance mindsets. They were LOADS alike. The historians know better than you, sorry
@@CountessKitten Your statement could apply to millions of men of that time. Men of the Renaissance are generally going to have a Renaissance mindset. These two men were hardly alike in temperament. Henry was a cruel monarch beheaded wives and courtiers frequently. Francis hardly beheaded anyone.
Wow! The sisters were amazing. Great story.
I lost (my first) at.. 8 Months.... and I KNOW.. THAT.. IS.. DEVASTATING!
I'm so sorry for the loss of your precious baby, absolutely heartbreaking 😥💔
The problems wasn’t with any of these women. The problem was the men and society. None of the women did anything wrong
Cromwell cancelled Anne
I enjoyed it 😊❤️
What is the music in this ? It’s beautiful
he was a monster
I can’t get over how ugly King Henry VIII was both outside and on the inside.
People give Jane too much credit. She did NOT CARE ABOUT HENRY'S DAUGHTERS. Katherine Parre was THE person who brought both Mary and Elizabeth back to court and their fathers' favor. Jane only cared about making sure she didn't clash with Henry on ANY topic to save her own head. He mourned her the most because 1) she did not LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO RAISE HIS IRE, 2) she gave him a son (and since only MEN provide a Y chromosome it was 100% Henry's fault for no other male heirs, 3) he did not have another woman in his sights - even as a mistress - when Jane died.
Jane deserves VERY LITTLE CREDIT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN INCUBATING A MALE FETUS AND THEN DYING FROM ESSENTIALY AN INFECTION IN HER UTERUS. PERIOD.
It strikes me as odd that, given Henry's "obsessive desire" for Anne, there is no contemporaneous paintings of her. Why not?
When queens were considered dishonorable they destroyed their paintings like they never existed.
I read that it was because he ordered paintings of her removed to erase her from history
Most Americans became interested in The Boylen sisters / family after watching the Showtime series the Tudors & Wolf Hall
The irony is insane.
Highness? Mary addressed the King as Highness? I thought it was “Majesty” ever since Henry VIII came to power because he loved how the French called their monarch?
Mary had the last laugh on all of theM
Loved this .
This type of bad mouthing and distortion and destruction of women still happens today. How quickly and easily men can and will destroy a female life simply due to fragile egos and pride being bruised. Even worse if done in front of his peers or public.
Absolutely this hasn’t changed much at all. Shameful and sickening. cough cough Johnny depp 🙄
@@jaded3333 Nope, Amber ruined Johnny or tried to
Yes, so true because it happened to me !!
They were both very strong women . Very sad for Ann
Plot twis: After being discarded by Anne her family, on her way out of the palace, Mary had a little talk with Cromwell
Does anyone know when the drawings/paintings were created? Are they part of a book?
The doc gets one thing wrong during the beginning. It had nothing, necessarily, to do with their sex that their birthplace and birthdays were not ‘recorded’. It’s very possible these records were lost or either accidentally or deliberately destroyed. There’s no record of the births of ANY of the Boleyn children, including at least three known boys. It’s possible that there were even more Boleyn children, or stillbirths, but we do know of Mary, Anne, George, Thomas and Henry.
The thing is, Anne is known and remembered so poorly because she messed about with a married man…& yeah she became the mistress who wanted to be queen, not a mistress. I don’t care what happened to Anne. What about Catherine, his first wife? We forget that Anne split up that marriage and Catherine, can’t recall if it was spelled with a K or C honestly…she died alone in squalor thanks to Anne.
Anne did not split up the marriage. She had no power to do that. Henry ended his marriage to Catherine. I love how women are blamed for men’s evil deeds…. Still happens all the time today.
Not in squalor.. Not even a little.. Alone perhaps, disgraced, perhaps, but not in squalor.
@@smilodon87she absolutely had HUGE HANDS in splitting the marriage. ARE YOU JOKING ??
If Anne wouldn't had been the next woman Henry had took another one and so on and on till he would get his desperately craved son. Catherine of Aragon had never a chance. But! The problem of Henry was that Catherine was a daughter of a famous queen and was a witness that women are absolutely able to be very successful as a female ruler. Therefore why she should bow to his wish of divorce.
Very interesting!! This is indeed a royal soap opera!
Ugh, they are so wrong! Henry the 8th did not leave in because he wanted to marry Jane. He wanted Jane as a mistress and she was, except no sex. it wasn't until Cromwell made up all those charges against her that Henry decided to marry Jane.
And Mary not being brought into the demise of her siblings had nothing to do with Mary being smart, it's because she was already exiled from court and because she was a woman so they couldn't claim Anne had sexual relations with her. It also helped that Cromwell didn't need her out of the picture to get his way
I bet Mary thought life was so funny everytime she looked at her son knowing it was the son of a King
I've always been interested in t GG e King Henry VIII Era and even more so when finding out doing my genealogical research (researched my genealogy for 42+ years now) Mary Boyleyn was my 12th great grandmother . . . Very interesting documentary
Through which husband?
@@hannahpeters2504 Mary Boleyn 1504-1534
wife of 14th great-grandfather
Sir Knight William Carey Esq 1495-1528
Husband of Mary Boleyn
Catherine Carey 1524-1568
Daughter of Sir Knight William Carey Esq
Lettice Knollys 1543-1634
Daughter of Catherine Carey
Penelope Lady Rich, Duchess of Devonshire 1563-1607
Daughter of Lettice Knollys
Ruth Devonshire 1625-1694
Daughter of Penelope Lady Rich, Duchess of Devonshire
Gideon Tilghman 1652-1720
Son of Ruth Devonshire
Gideon Tilghman 1682-1770
Son of Gideon Tilghman
John Tillman 1705-1809
Son of Gideon Tilghman
Mary Catherine Tillman 1744-1833
Daughter of John Tillman
Catharine Catherine Katie Katy Loy 1771-1856
Daughter of Mary Catherine Tillman
Jacob Albright 1753-1822
Son of Catharine Catherine Katie Katy Loy
Lewis Alexander ALBRIGHT 1846-1908
I didn't include further down my lineage to protect privacy of living relatives; Lewis Alexander was my 3rd great grandfather
@@midwestern925 you should because queen Elizabeth 2rd and Diana may be in your lineage
I bet they were poisoned when they were pregnant
Men where very crazy back then too much power so sad Rip all these souls
Even seeing advertisements from the 50s it's pretty obvious men brutalize women and that it was glamorized. Throughout history it sucked to be a girl
Elizabeth II Is not a descendant of those monarchs....
I wish there was a way to compare my DNA with Henry VIII's DNA. Like many, I have traced my ancestors back to Mary Boleyn (14th Great Grandmother) through her daughter Catherine (13th Great Grandmother).
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New material, nicely done.
I enjoyed the many women’s opinions on the matter.....In the end all those men 👉🏻More Cromwell Henry ended up with villainous life stories. -(More mostly just because he burned a few people)- foolish ambition and power hungry lives which to be fair, I think in their reality came with the territory, eat or be eaten at court --I have a better feeling about The butchers son Thomas Wolsey and even Cromwell for his like Wolseys rise from nothing....Still, from a detached modern view, Henry never had a happy day in his life after Katherine of Aragon and thats fair I think according to the way he treated poor Mary and other Queens he basically forced to be his consort...
That' s the chilean flag.
You can tell which people in the comments saw the Other Boleyn Girl and are paying the price for not reading more nonfiction…
I like that Kyra lady. She's funny!
brilliant
Jane Seymour: 💩ing bricks
11:06- 11:07. What does the speaker say?
Angers me how Mary is looked down at as a whore,but not Henry who had mistresses.
I feel like Mary got the better of the two but Anne’s daughter became the greatest monarch in English history so idk.
Maybe Henry was "unlucky" because he did the same as he accused Catherine. He slept with Anne's sister prior to marrying Anne.
It was an accepted fact that Kings have mistresses. It was considered okay for men of any station birth. But who dares to question a king with absolute power and the self-entitlement that goes with that
I like the way that one chubby lady talks like she ACTUALLY WAS THERE and knew her so well.
😂😂😂
Something I've never understood about the sheer panic and pressure Anne was under to deliver a prince, and ultimately failing more than once, is why she never considered acting outside the box? If I were in her position I'd consider doing something, anything, to give Henry a son-like perhaps aqurie a newborn baby boy and finesse court to believe she had given birth to him. It doesn't seem so difficult. She keeps having miscarriages and would have have understood any subsequent pregnancy would surely end the same. She could have falsified a pregnancy, worked something out with a pregnant woman, and upon her giving birth, arranged the newborn baby to be brought to her should he be a boy. Anne could pretend to have given birth suddenly in the middle of the night, alone. And quickly. No one would ever have to know, lest of all Henry who'd probably been so ecstatic that he'd never become suspicious. Does anyone have any hypothetical reason for why nothing like this was ever attempted? It seems so obvious for someone in Anne's position.
I like your idea. I never thought of it. But, I think Henry was very possessive, and had many spies on her. Some spied on her for their own sake. He would've also have put her through some vigorous tests, to inspect if she was pregnant, and she knew that. She was caught like a fly in a spiders' web.
While I watched this, I all of a sudden thought of something: I didn't know much about Mary, but what I heard of her made me wonder; they say that Cromwell just ignored her letter, but what if he didn't? What if he met her personally? What if she also had a list of enemies at the court, and made a deal with the Devil, without wanting to hurt Anne, but that was he's part of the bargain, and she had to play the hand she'd been given. She then went to tell Anne the whole truth about all the spies, the fact that Henry was tired of her, and that he slept with her behind Anne's back, and that she was pregnant with his child, and he told her to marry Mr. Nobody, and promised to leave her alive. After listening to all of that, Anne got mad at Mary, and screamed, and shouted, and wouldn't believe it, and only discovered the truth of it when she got accused, and taken to The Tower. What do you say about this idea?
Then Cromwell had to die, because he knew too much. Wolsely had to die also, because he knew too much. It was for no other reason. Henry Vlll was a serial killer, but he used others to do the job.
Well since ann was condemned for adultery and incest, who's to say the thought didn't cross her mind
She could not, because as a queen, she was never left alone, she would have to include so many people in this plan that someone would inevitably talk and a punishment would be hanging, drowning and quartering or burning (or having a head cut off, if King felt merciful).
She would have to be actually pregnant and carry long enough, because she obviously could not stop all her maids from talking, and there was a lot of people who would seen her naked - army of maids, few doctors, midwives, some of her ladies-in-waiting. Then, many of those people would know how children are supposed to look like at a certain age, so she would have to secure a girl that would give birth to definetly alive red-haired boy at cca same time as she. And this was highly unpredictable in those times.
But even if she secured such boy, she could not pretend that she gave birth suddenly, because there was a ritual called "lying-in", when a highly pregnant queen would retire to her chambers 2-6 weeks before giving birth, and from this moment she could not leave her room at all, and she was heavily watched, so every her craving was fulfilled, but also to call a midwife immediately, when she starts giving birth. And Henry was literally sitting in front of her room the first time, waiting for his son to be born.
Basically, this constant presence of dozens of people around her is a reason, why historians today are quite certain that all charges against her were fabricated - she simply would not have time to have a lover.
Not only was the queen never left alone while pregnant, during the labor she was not only attended to by her ladies in waiting and midwives doctors, but high ranking men of court were present and observed the delivery. This was done so there could be no claim that nothing similar to what you suggested could happen. This was done for every birth by a queen, not just Anne Boleyn. But, you had a good idea, which might have worked elsewhere, just not in England.
@@williamromine5715 I don't think this happened at England. From what I know, men were not allowed into queen's chambers after she laid down. Even doctors were not always present, it was often job of a midwife to do basic healthcare. Even husband was not allowed, unless he physically wrestled with ladies in waiting. However, this definetly happened in France, and maybe in some other countries. In England, presence of other men in bedroom was acceptable only before and during consumation of marriage, and Henry VII abolished "during" part, and Henry VIII "before" part.
King Henry is often demonized for wanting a male heir. However, we must remember that his father was the first English king to unite England as a country. If a girl was made queen she would marry a foreign prince and than really he would influence the running of the country- like Prince Albert did. This is why Henry was so set on having male heirs. We cannot judge our ancestors by our modern values.
We can and should judge Henry as the monster he truly was.
I don't care what anyone says, those families were messed up back then!! Marry your brother or cousin? Ew
Anne seemed as if she was a vile, and vicious woman. One whom stop at nothing to get what they desired. Unfortunately this behavior was the cause of her downfall. She betrayed her sister for a crown, slept with a married man, and mistreated her child.
Anne was terrible to Mary Tudor. Not a fan.
Has anyone ever brought up the idea that these women were drugged to have a miscarriage? Weird how his wives kept having miscarriages. Why do they try to make Anne seem like this great woman? She destroyed a smart woman for power!
I think the theory is Henry had an STD or perhaps some kind of gene that makes it hard for the women to carry a child to term. Cant help but wonder what he would've done had he known that male sperm determines the gender of a baby
Miscarriages were very common then. Prenatal care was not very well understood.
No. My god. No. Not possible. Not a chance. He WANTED A MALE HEIR!!!!!!, HE WOULDN'T HAVE RISKED THAT FOR ANYTHING NOT EVEN HIS LIBIDO. NO. NO.
And BTW, all the miscarriages were caused by Henrys blood type, RH-. Even today, in people with RH- blood, when they first conceive, they have to take a shot to ensure the pregnancy does not end in miscarriage.
@@jamesmorrison2055no
Her sister had a boy !! But she was MARRIED to another even knowing the son was the kings the child was out if wed lock.