im dying with the amount of brazilians in the comment section, even though the vid came out just an hour ago lol never thought brazilians would be watching this channel for some reason lol
@@mattcunha5542 We brazillians are everywhere, *everywhere* “Rule n° Just pulled that of my ass: If it’s on the internet and people can access it, it has brazilians”
@@Lucas-dg4zn not an incorrect statement my friend, Brazilians are indeed everywhere and it’s honestly impressive. I wish y’all did better on a global scale it would be interesting to see a South American world power come into play
@@nerobernardino88 Ahn, pensei que era gringo Então é verdade cara, aqui tem um potencial enorme mas o governo é péssimo E a culpa no final é do própio povo Infelizmente
@@grao-duquedoriopardocanalo5125 O que fode de fato é o jeitinho brasileiro, essa corrupção cultural. O povo acha que isso não é problema, que não é problema aceitar troco errado (pra mais) e não dizer nada mas o que acontece quando as pessoas que cresceram nisso chegam em posições de poder? Imensa corrupção e o povo dá conta de achar que é culpa de partido A ou partido B, pior ainda quando falam que tudo é culpa de fulano ou ciclano. Como que o Brasil avança se um dos principais traços culturais é a merda da corrupção?
That would be as pointless as saying "what if India conquered Central Asia?" It's such a strange idea in a world that it didn't happen that it would be meaningless to point out because similar things could've happened in different regions and countries.
what if the 13 colonies never united after the revolution? what if Brazil and Portugal remained as an united kingdom what if the americas where uninhabited? what if photography was never invented? what if the internet didn't exist?
i'm so damn obsessed with this guy's videos lol. You legit answer all my hypothetical questions that I randomly have in the middle of the night LOL. keep up the amazing videos pal!
Some suggestions: What if the dutch succeded to colonize the northeast of Brazil? What if the Inca Empire survived? What if Austria had united germany instead of Prussia? What if the Sassanian empire survived?
Impossible. The bigger the Qing Empire (or Chinese as an Empire) is, the less stable it will be. It will not stand the wave of nationalism because of its own culture. Japan would stand a much better chance, because it is small enough.
@Dario Constitutional Monarchy has ambiguous meaning. One is UK Constitutional Monarchy. One is Prussian (or Thailand currently) Constitutional Monarchy, which has both weakness of Constitutional (many talks and delayed actions in parliament) and Monarchy (abrupt intervention when King is threatened). Japan is a special case because Japan lost WW2 and USA make sure that the Emperor can never rule. Japan must listen to USA as long as Japan is not self-sufficient. If Japan is as bigger than Qing, Japan could at some point decide not to listen to USA and start a second Meiji restoration against so-call "American imperialism". That will eventually degraded to Prussian or Thailand Constitutional Monarchy. In real history, Qing made a cabinet at its last few year but that cabinet is controlled by imperial members. Aristocrats like Bismarck cannot say even a word. If that could function like Prussian or Thailand cabinet, that is extremely lucky.
Qing would probably still collapse as it did IRL. However, Qing was really good a resettling people, Manchuria and Dzungaria (northern Xinjiang) being two great examples of this. So the speculation in the video that Siberia would be more populated would probably be right.
The map you Showed for Sweden is inaccurate. Napoleon didn’t take the entirety of Austria’s Empire when they were defeated and Finland was an integral part of Sweden. I reckon Sweden keeps Estonia,Finland and the coast connecting those two.
@@hugosetiawan8928 france winning napoleonic wars that empire gonna collapsed anyway after he died the system was just ineffective for such large place, if they see napoleon weakened at some point they will rebel all at once
@@mint8648 why? Look at austria and prussia after napoleon failed in russia, not to mention russia was a french ally at some point, the death of napoleon will be a disaster for the empire
@@abhiprakash74999 oceanic trade became more of a thing due to ottomans monopolizing the silk road, and while the silk road would start dying down, it definitely would still be a major route to travel for at least quite a while.
its not china who could have living on it but it would rather japan or u.s. who owned it if russia never conquered it maybe in the history it would say that china owns it but because of them being a sleeping giant for so long the dream of owning siberia and having access to the sea of japan and north pole would never be a reality
Suggestions for future Videos: - What if Maria Theresia had to bow to her familys will and married Frederick the Great instead of Franz Stephan von Lothringen. - What if America became a kingdom under Frederick the Greats Brother (he was a candidate for pro monarchist factions) - What if Germany was formed under the German greater Solution (Großdeutschland which included Austria, Czechia, Slovenia and Istria) - What if Germany was formed under Austria as "Großösterreich" - What if Germany invaded Austria Hungary before WW1 - What if Germany went communist after WW1 instead of facist
"- What if Germany was formed under the German greater Solution (Großdeutschland which included Austria, Czechia, Slovenia and Istria)" This empire would be much weaker, because this empire would have to deal with many minorities. "What if Germany went communist after WW1 instead of facist" Realistically speaking the revolution would have collapsed quickly, because the counter revolutionaries would oppose it. If it had succeeded, the other non-communist countries in Europe would enter an anti-communist alliance, doing everything to suppress a communist revolution, by repression or reforms.
Canada and Alaska are also sparsely populated. It is very cold in Siberia. Even the Russians themselves move to the southern parts of the country, despite the fact that the state pays those who live in the North.
and you try, live there. For example, to warm up in the long winter cold of -40 degrees, you will have to pay more than half of the budget for heating.Hello from Russia.)
There was also Siberian khanate that has already ruled western Siberia and I think there would be several wars with Kazan and Oirats. Population was mostly Siberian Tatars.
What if the Ottoman empire would modernize much earlier? For example, the Sultan is able to abolish the janissaries when they became corrupt and refused to modernise due to the fear of being replaced by a modern army. That way the Ottoman empire would be militarily on par with the rest of Europ, and maybe even start to colonize like crazy in the east indies?
Probably not East Indies but they'd be able to get to Lake Chad and perhaps most of the Nile Basin + Somalia. Maybe Zanzibar too if we're being generous.
@Nurali Bolataev I wish that this actually happened there! I'm just emotionally tired of Western European nations (plus Russia and the U.S.) in getting all of the glory in modern times!!! 😡😡😡😡😡😤😤😤😤😤
@@StevenVillman I would have been happy if we had gotten another couple of countries modernizing and catching up with the West during the 1800s. My favourite choices for that sort of stuff are Madagascar and Ethiopia due to their 'weirdness' but China, Persia, Zanzibar, Mexico and Siam are all good candidates as well. At least we had Japan though :P
I want a western movie or novel set in the Russian expansion into Siberia. It would be sick and I’m sad to say I have better things to do than write it myself.
All western movies about Russia is a complete shit due to extreme level of totalitarian propaganda in the west. Let alone all their movies are shit for 13 yo
you forgot about alaska, alaska would either become british or chinese because of alaska being sold to us by russia but if there isnt a russia to buy from then no alaska for america
I acctualy doubtfull that Chinese would go much deep in to north. Iirc some Chinese went as far as Baikal and call it a day, so Alaska would be British and then Canadian. Island of Sakhalin would be Japanese for sure, maybe even all of Asia eastern shore as well.
@@mark12strang58 it is - but Canada is overstreched now - it would be immensly overstretched then. Specifically I talk about Aleutian Islands that used to be a vital area in WW2. Be it in Canadian hands, Japanese would take it easier than from US
3:40 wanna hear a joke? Ottoman Empire actually fought against Russia during Ivan the Terrible conquest, after Russia conquerred Astrahan khaganate. And Russia won. At this point, alternate timeline breaks.
@@sampledpuppet5023 So the king wouldn't have been the most overrated and shittiest king there is, doing more than fucking up his own country and getting shot in Fredrikstad
Small peoples of Siberia and the Far East did not want to become part of the russian empire and there were resistance to pay tribute for this. Small nationalities wanted to live freely.
Ok france and GB would still be enemies : france manpower would allow them to counterbalance the royal navy , and the british rapid technological progress , We would also see a particular philosopfy really take old in france : Positivism was essentially the worship of science and it impled the scientific organization of society , and so we might have a france that doesn't use markets as much ( afther Napoleon got defeated the british became much more capitalist specifically to counter the motto " liberte egalite fraternite " whoch is why they still have a king and landed aristocracy ) and might rely on centralized planning meaning that afther some years of strife due to tecnical errors we might end up with a france in constant economic growt and with fewer economic crisies than the british empire ...
If you haven't yet, could you look into what if Napoleon had sent the Leclerc expedition to get Haiti to join him instead of to destroy it. It's something that almost happened
Video Idea: What if Switzerland had won the Battle of Marigiano 1515? That lose was in our Timline the end of Swiss conquest and turned Switzerland into a mostly defensive alliance
I disagree with several points of the video: You said that it took only 40 years to conquer all of siberia but it was just establishing small outposts on the southern siberian border. Northern parts weren't even touched until late XIX century and biggest towns in northern siberia didn't exist until Soviet Union I agree that overall china might had bigger presence in siberia but I don't think it would be spread that far away, since while China could establish outposts, there are really not much they could extract from that land and relatively small areas with good farmable land are going located after barely controlled mostly nomadic mongolic states. You didn't mentioned quite interesting possibility of English Siberia: after Richard Chancellor en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Chancellor established contact with Russia, English merchants started bigger trading until protectionist policies of stars ended it. English could seize it as protectorate and, as you mentioned, during hunt for fur push further into Siberia You also didn't mentioned that Kazan didn't had resources to push into existed khanate of Siberia and as well manage to defeat all of it enemies in Astrakhan and Crimea who all pretended for restoration of Golden Horde, so I rather expect Siberia be more similar to Africa in XIX century: with several nomadic states, tribes and a lot of land (most of which is I need frozen) unless as I mentioned, English will use power vacuum and push from both Canada and White Sea to claim all Arctic.
That's a great point. China had no interest in expansion for reason unrelated to Russia. It would be as you say the English, possibly French or Germans that would try claiming East Siberia and Kamchatka for the sake of just owning more land. Then Japan would likely take over after Meiji Restoration, if we wanna speculate that far.
Could be a good outcome with some fixes: 1-Get Sweden to modernize, if they do then their polish-russian part would as well, maybe taking Kazan with them or not having Kazan being in the scenario at all Then tbe empire could stand a chance against Napoleon, probably not winning of course but weakening him enough for either him being overthrown like in our timeline or just forcing the guy to "play nice" with the other powers instead of lording all over Europe after losing part of his army 2- Get China to modernize(or at least for Japan to be a less terrible invader), you could get that by saying that a colonized Siberia would butterfly away the later bad dinasties or take a page from Whatifalthist's "What if Japan became catholic?" for a chinese-japanese alliance with open trade with the West
@@ale-xsantos1078 well i would probably doubt that japan would be able to fully conquer china : they could use the russia effect a lot , by which i mean their population would exeed the 800 millions and their land is way too big for the japanese to conquer them , without considering how trade might appen and the chinese might industrialize somewhat and just zergrush the japanese out of the continent , In short it's a kind of 100 years war ...
No, there is The change was set far away from Corsica, in the east of Eastern Europe, which was also mentioned in the video None of the changes he made would have a impact on the state of the french kingdom nor prevent the revolution that put Napoleon in power Could that still butterfly away Napoleon somehow? Possibly, but if we assume any change would do so we cant have alternate history because there would be no history to work with And assuming that, by chance, the events in Western Europe followed the our TL up to the point where Napoleon would have decided to invade Russia, then the results would be like what the video has shown
@@ale-xsantos1078 i mean the french kingdom would have still lost the 7 years war and a significant borjuasee revolution would have still append , then a great general would have had significant success against everyone else , This general would have build a significant fame and would have become a significant figure in the french gov. , That general would have been competent , and might have been in a military dictatorship , He might not have been a military genius like Napoleon , but would have still been very competent , the best out of all the french generals as a matter of fact , he might not have been called Napoleon , but would have still been able to conquer europe ...
its not china who could have living on it but it would rather japan or u.s. who owned it if russia never conquered it maybe in the history it would say that china owns it but because of them being a sleeping giant for so long the dream of owning siberia and having access to the sea of japan and north pole would never be a reality
The Bantu's were able to conquer so much with just sticks and stones. Imagine if an actual civilization existed in sub saharan Africa. Maybe the Ethiopians could look West
If Africa was completely united then you would have one ambassador coming hat in hand to Europe and North America looking for handouts rather than almost 50.
@@Faerandur That's looking at it from the wrong angle. During the regency that happened between his and his father's regin, a lot of secessions were in fact attempted. But, once he came to power, Pedro II was able to masterfully put them all down. It's why Brazil is a single, massive geographical entity instead of a balkanized mess.
Because it's a harsh climate with terrible logistics. Actual living space is severly limited. Why Canadians live mostly on the border with US? They also has a vast territories. Even by Chinese standarts Manchuria is a cold place and most of the population lives in the south.
@@LazyPictures That answer is ridiculous. "Terrible logistics" its a land empire, have you heard of roads? They made it to the Pacific in the 17th century "Actual living space is severely limited" 🤨 The reason most Canadians live on the border is because one of the most warlike nations on Earth live down there. America and Canada weren't always so friendly, so for a long while the Canadians where afraid of an invasion. So they concentrated their population as a defensive measure
And another interesting fact: Chinese immigranted in Machuria mostly because of Chinese Eastern Railway, that was built by Russia. And if there were no Russia, then there were no railroads, and then no Chinese immigrants. So i don't think Siberia under chinese rule must be very populated land.
Actually, I think Russia would be more Western. Since they mostly have to focus on Europe, and not on Asia. They are free from stronger Asian influences.
The central Asian republics, and the caucuses region, and other minority groups and regions, fared much better and had a better standard of living-living relative to the time-on the post-dictatorhip Soviet Union. The USSR not only held much of these regions together, and brought then up in standard of living, equal opportunity etc., the USSR also managed to keep much of the historic ethnic tension and rivalries relatively at bay. Post-USSR, as we saw, these regions/States almost immediately began waging ethnic based wars agasint oneanother. After all, given how large and ethnically diverse, the USSR was, its was an affirmative action empire. China, due to its size and ethnic diversity, has operated in much of the same vein.
Except that Tsarist and Soviet imperialism actually gave rise to sovereign ethnostates for some minorities who would otherwise might remain minorities in other countries. Mongolia could have been eaten up by the PRC but Russian imperialism actially carved out a sovereign Mongol state in Outer Mongolia.
@@amrahmed7856 While an interesting question in theory, it isn’t as world altering as many would think. The reason Russia was so adamant about selling Alaska to the US was because it was an financial drain on their economy, and was in a difficult to defend position. But more importantly, there was two possible outcomes for said colony in the near future. Either it is purchased by another power, or it it is conquered. The Russians did not have the resources to defend Alaska, and even if they did, they wouldn’t want to. It was thousands of miles away from the nearest Russian fleet in the Black Sea (they had a Pacific fleet, but it was very small), and the eastern border of Alaska had few natural defenses, with the Yukon river likely serving as a corridor straight into the heart of their territory (the river begins in Canada). The British and the Americans were the two most likely candidates for either scenario. Selling it would be most desirable, as they could recoup some loss on relatively worthless land. If they sold it to the UK, who already had a land border on Alaska, they could easily undercut prices in negotiation, or just outright take it in a proxy war (as example Crimean War), with Russia barely benefiting from this British scenario, and the UK only growing stronger regardless. The British were a bitter rival of Russia, and they would stand to benefit immensely from a worldly perspective, gaining a greater control of Pacific trade and blocking the Russian presence in said trade. The US however was not an enemy of Russia, nor did they have the military power to take Alaska by force, and would be more willing to pay larger sums due its strategic position between Canada, Siberia, and the Arctic. The Russians tried selling Alaska to the US during the Civil War, but obviously the US was too busy to really negotiate, so they waited for the war to conclude before finishing the deal. That is why Alaska was sold to the US, which isn’t all that different to why Napoleon sold the United States the Louisiana territory. The only alternate history scenario worth considering is a British takeover, either by purchase or force, which in my opinion would only nominally affect world history. The Cold War, as example, would still have an ice curtain, only this time between the Soviets and Canada. A history where Russia not only does not sell Alaska but somehow manages to keep it is honestly too unbelievable to happen without radically altering history further, such as artificially strengthening Russia, weakening the UK (perhaps by them not even conquering Canada in the first place) or somehow make them close allies with a stake in Russia’s presence in North America, all of which would require immense changes to the timeline. Personally, I could see them selling Alaska to Japan as a more likely scenario to them keeping it all the way through the Cold War. It be like asking “what if France kept Louisiana?”, interesting on paper, but in practice likely means a history that isn’t nearly as interesting as one may think (and if you’re wondering about the Louisiana question, I think the UK or Spain would have occupied it in that scenario).
I know there's hundreds of ideas being posted into the comments, but I'd be really interested to see a video on what if King John didn't die in the First Barons' War, causing Prince Louis, later King of France to become King of England in the early 1200s. In our timeline, this didnt happen because King John died of dysentary and his 9 year old son would be much less of a threat to the barons than the future king of france.
its not china who could have living on it but it would rather japan or u.s. who owned it if russia never conquered it maybe in the history it would say that china owns it but because of them being a sleeping giant for so long the dream of owning siberia and having access to the sea of japan and north pole would never be a reality
I think the most interesting video about alternative Russian history if what would be is Vladimir the Great of Kievan Rus chose Latin Christianity instead of the Greek one. Imagine catholic or even protestant Russia, with Russian written in Latin script.
@@franciscoaraujo6624 our relations with the rest of Europe would be surely even more fucked up than they actually were. And ottoman empire would be our best buddy.
I’d like you to make a videos about What if Napoleon success to take over Egypt, What if Bulgaria won the Second Balkan War, What if France & USA colonized Korea and Japan. Also, I’d like you to remake your old videos too.
The ottomans did not colonise the Somalia like it says in the map,they tried to set up shop in berbera but left after a few years because it wasn’t working out,and the omanis most definitely did not control the Somali coast they controlled the Swahili coast which Somalia is not a part of,they had a buisness representative in Mogadishu which they had to pay the Somali sultan to even keep there.
那其实都是蒙古国的领土，蒙古当时就是信了苏联的邪，和中华民族分了家，然后自家领土给苏联了不说，还甘愿当炮灰In fact, it is the territory of Mongolia, Mongolia was believed in the evil of the Soviet Union, and the Chinese nation split home, and then their own territory to the Soviet Union did not say, but also willing to be cannon fodder
9:23 "the standard of living in much of central asia has declined since the fall of the soviet union" That's not what the chart implies though, it only says they're getting poorer relative to Russia.
@@davidschultz1562 Getting poorer relative to Russia, and Russia is pretty poor as they've had to pay off loads to the USA and stuff after the Cold War
There is no any Tatars at all... Russian government rename this people and the whole region to Tatarstan. In origin they are Bulgarians(not from the current country Bulgaria, but from Volga Bulgaria), the country that is your are showing "Volga Tatar" was renamed from Volga Bulgaria, everyone can check this.
The Chinese government now perceives all of Siberia as belonging to it based on your video - they have drawn a nine dash line up to the Arctic and are ready for anything. Thanks a lot Whatifalthist. ...LOL
“Russia becomes a Brazil, a giant blob in the map with immense potential and that’s about it”.
As a Brazilian this is painfully accurate.
Same.
im dying with the amount of brazilians in the comment section, even though the vid came out just an hour ago lol
never thought brazilians would be watching this channel for some reason lol
@@mattcunha5542 We brazillians are everywhere, *everywhere*
“Rule n° Just pulled that of my ass: If it’s on the internet and people can access it, it has brazilians”
@@Lucas-dg4zn not an incorrect statement my friend, Brazilians are indeed everywhere and it’s honestly impressive. I wish y’all did better on a global scale it would be interesting to see a South American world power come into play
@@johnpaulcross424 Same, I wish our country did any better.
Russia never colonizes Siberia
*China and Japan:*
IT LOOKS LIKE REAL ESTATE!
I do wonder however, how rice cultures would manage in wheat environment.
@@JamesR1986 maybe some sort of reverse assimulation where chinese people who migrate up north slowly gets assimilated into nomadic culture?
@@JamesR1986 as a south seas chinese, we have mantau bakpau etc which are basically steamed wheat bread, we will survive in a wheat environment.
you're using that wrong.
@@JamesR1986 North China have wheat rather than rice
6:01 As a Brazilian, how dare you... To say something so accurate about my country?
How dare him speak the truth?
Don't know man.The way this man roast my country is different
@@grao-duquedoriopardocanalo5125 Eu sou brasileiro ô seu infeliz
@@nerobernardino88 Ahn, pensei que era gringo
Então é verdade cara, aqui tem um potencial enorme mas o governo é péssimo
E a culpa no final é do própio povo
Infelizmente
@@grao-duquedoriopardocanalo5125
O que fode de fato é o jeitinho brasileiro, essa corrupção cultural. O povo acha que isso não é problema, que não é problema aceitar troco errado (pra mais) e não dizer nada mas o que acontece quando as pessoas que cresceram nisso chegam em posições de poder? Imensa corrupção e o povo dá conta de achar que é culpa de partido A ou partido B, pior ainda quando falam que tudo é culpa de fulano ou ciclano. Como que o Brasil avança se um dos principais traços culturais é a merda da corrupção?
We would be even thiccer, obviously
Thanks daddy Kim, very cool!
Hello there, Avery
Hey kim how has Rodman treated you?
@@mapzy4876 He treated me like a King
@Liam Nathan Abla what
Meanwhile, in a parallel dimension, somebody just uploaded a video to youtube called "What if Russia colonized Siberia".
That would be as pointless as saying "what if India conquered Central Asia?" It's such a strange idea in a world that it didn't happen that it would be meaningless to point out because similar things could've happened in different regions and countries.
@@pressftopayrespects6325 India along china
What if Russia never conquered Siberia
Stalin: *gasps*
YOU ARE IN EVERY VIDEO I WATCH STOP FOLLOWING ME
I swear just today I saw you like 4 times
Uncle Joe would still have Workuta and a bunch of other less known camps. Russia is full of desolate, depressing places that try to kill you.
ur everyrhwere
@@mitonaarea5856 he’s kim-jong-un
So in short, Poland can into space, since no USSR.
Irony,first Pole appeared in space thanks to USSR
What does pole can into space mean
@@ichwilllebensran2199 “pole”=Polish person
ICH WILL LEBENSRAN its a polandball joke, no clue where the original is from tho
@@botchamaniajeezus ok i get it now
what if the 13 colonies never united after the revolution?
what if Brazil and Portugal remained as an united kingdom
what if the americas where uninhabited?
what if photography was never invented?
what if the internet didn't exist?
What if your Uncle had been plumbed differently?!...(he'd have been your AUNT!)
jimmy rooks eeeehmm wtf?
@FALSE PROPHET MOHAMMED Is A PEDOPHILE CULTLEADER sorry, WHAT is that username
I first saw it as what if pornography didn't exist and had a mild heart attack
@@mackycabangon8945 a stupid one
i'm so damn obsessed with this guy's videos lol. You legit answer all my hypothetical questions that I randomly have in the middle of the night LOL. keep up the amazing videos pal!
Some suggestions:
What if the dutch succeded to colonize the northeast of Brazil?
What if the Inca Empire survived?
What if Austria had united germany instead of Prussia?
What if the Sassanian empire survived?
I'm here for the Incan question.
I want the 3rd one
What if I did your mom?
Roasted xd
i’d love the first one
I like the Dutch and Austria ones
I'm wondering what if Qing China had successfully reformed and Westernized from the Hundred Day's Reform
that was imposible Qing Chine would collapse anyway
Impossible. The bigger the Qing Empire (or Chinese as an Empire) is, the less stable it will be. It will not stand the wave of nationalism because of its own culture. Japan would stand a much better chance, because it is small enough.
I made a video about it couple years back
@Dario Constitutional Monarchy has ambiguous meaning. One is UK Constitutional Monarchy. One is Prussian (or Thailand currently) Constitutional Monarchy, which has both weakness of Constitutional (many talks and delayed actions in parliament) and Monarchy (abrupt intervention when King is threatened). Japan is a special case because Japan lost WW2 and USA make sure that the Emperor can never rule. Japan must listen to USA as long as Japan is not self-sufficient. If Japan is as bigger than Qing, Japan could at some point decide not to listen to USA and start a second Meiji restoration against so-call "American imperialism". That will eventually degraded to Prussian or Thailand Constitutional Monarchy. In real history, Qing made a cabinet at its last few year but that cabinet is controlled by imperial members. Aristocrats like Bismarck cannot say even a word. If that could function like Prussian or Thailand cabinet, that is extremely lucky.
Qing would probably still collapse as it did IRL. However, Qing was really good a resettling people, Manchuria and Dzungaria (northern Xinjiang) being two great examples of this. So the speculation in the video that Siberia would be more populated would probably be right.
The map you Showed for Sweden is inaccurate.
Napoleon didn’t take the entirety of Austria’s Empire when they were defeated and Finland was an integral part of Sweden. I reckon Sweden keeps Estonia,Finland and the coast connecting those two.
@@tobyrix7082 Of course he does
It's called Ingermanlandia, wich was conquered from Russia during the Troubles time.
Well he's probably tryna say the french army would be coming from there
That map just showed the etnicities in the Swedish empire, not the new borders after the napoleonic wars
@@tobyrix7082 Of course I do
Great inclusion of actual video at 3:53! As long as you don't overdo it, this will really spice up your vids. Keep up the good work!
Happy Ottoman noises
Happy Tatar noises
Happy Manchu noises
Happy ooga booga siberian tribe noises too
sad settled civilization noise
@@yonathanrakau1783 you think the others were not civilised
@@abhinavs8109 ah wait not civilized settled pick the wrong word there
He said the Ottomans were number 1 at that time but Spain was actually the nation with the bigger empire, and more glory despite not having Jerusalem.
Who knew I'd now realise I was actually happy that Russia actually did annex Siberia.
Was agreeing with you, but france won the napoleonic wars because of this so i hoped that happened
@@hugosetiawan8928 france winning napoleonic wars that empire gonna collapsed anyway after he died the system was just ineffective for such large place, if they see napoleon weakened at some point they will rebel all at once
@@yonathanrakau1783 every word you said was wrong
@@mint8648 why? Look at austria and prussia after napoleon failed in russia, not to mention russia was a french ally at some point, the death of napoleon will be a disaster for the empire
@@yonathanrakau1783 the bonaparte dynasty would just have continued ruling france
“Central Asia is next to no navigable oceans or major trade routes” *Silk Road noises intensifies*
Silk road died out once oceanic trade routes were found tho but have a like
@@abhiprakash74999 oceanic trade became more of a thing due to ottomans monopolizing the silk road, and while the silk road would start dying down, it definitely would still be a major route to travel for at least quite a while.
its not china who could have living on it but it would rather japan or u.s. who owned it if russia never conquered it maybe in the history it would say that china owns it but because of them being a sleeping giant for so long the dream of owning siberia and having access to the sea of japan and north pole would never be a reality
Suggestions for future Videos:
- What if Maria Theresia had to bow to her familys will and married Frederick the Great instead of Franz Stephan von Lothringen.
- What if America became a kingdom under Frederick the Greats Brother (he was a candidate for pro monarchist factions)
- What if Germany was formed under the German greater Solution (Großdeutschland which included Austria, Czechia, Slovenia and Istria)
- What if Germany was formed under Austria as "Großösterreich"
- What if Germany invaded Austria Hungary before WW1
- What if Germany went communist after WW1 instead of facist
"- What if Germany was formed under the German greater Solution (Großdeutschland which included Austria, Czechia, Slovenia and Istria)"
This empire would be much weaker, because this empire would have to deal with many minorities.
"What if Germany went communist after WW1 instead of facist"
Realistically speaking the revolution would have collapsed quickly, because the counter revolutionaries would oppose it.
If it had succeeded, the other non-communist countries in Europe would enter an anti-communist alliance, doing everything to suppress a communist revolution, by repression or reforms.
- What if Germany
@@mark12strang58 These are just suggestions^^ Maybe Whatifalthis can create some interesting scenarios out of it^^
It's wild in this crowded modern world, how sparsely populated far east Russia is.
Because it's fucking uncomfortable place to live. Canada would agree.
@@LazyPictures *cold
Canada and Alaska are also sparsely populated. It is very cold in Siberia. Even the Russians themselves move to the southern parts of the country, despite the fact that the state pays those who live in the North.
Less people = more nature
and you try, live there. For example, to warm up in the long winter cold of -40 degrees, you will have to pay more than half of the budget for heating.Hello from Russia.)
There was also Siberian khanate that has already ruled western Siberia and I think there would be several wars with Kazan and Oirats. Population was mostly Siberian Tatars.
What if the Ottoman empire would modernize much earlier?
For example, the Sultan is able to abolish the janissaries when they became corrupt and refused to modernise due to the fear of being replaced by a modern army.
That way the Ottoman empire would be militarily on par with the rest of Europ, and maybe even start to colonize like crazy in the east indies?
Probably not East Indies but they'd be able to get to Lake Chad and perhaps most of the Nile Basin + Somalia. Maybe Zanzibar too if we're being generous.
Weren’t they already too overstretched to colonize further though?
they might keep aceh in the east indies
@Nurali Bolataev
I wish that this actually happened there! I'm just emotionally tired of Western European nations (plus Russia and the U.S.) in getting all of the glory in modern times!!! 😡😡😡😡😡😤😤😤😤😤
@@StevenVillman I would have been happy if we had gotten another couple of countries modernizing and catching up with the West during the 1800s. My favourite choices for that sort of stuff are Madagascar and Ethiopia due to their 'weirdness' but China, Persia, Zanzibar, Mexico and Siam are all good candidates as well. At least we had Japan though :P
I feel like you shadowed Ottoman Empire a bit. One of the major reasons of Ottomans' decline was Russia.
Finally something good to watch
If Russia never colonized Siberia then Stalin had nowhere to put his political opponents once they “disappeared”
@FALSE PROPHET MOHAMMED Is A PEDOPHILE CULTLEADER The Actual Fuck?
put them in northern Karelia
Just because they didn’t conquer Siberia doesn’t mean graveyards don’t exist
@FALSE PROPHET MOHAMMED Is A PEDOPHILE CULTLEADER gtfo out my comment please
@FALSE PROPHET MOHAMMED Is A PEDOPHILE CULTLEADER Yo stalin can we send this guy to the gulags?
"Russia becomes a Brazil, a giant blob in the map with immense potential and that’s about it"
OUCH it hurts
Idea : what if Austria united germany instead of Prussia?
Yes, interesting question. Are you Austrian ?
What is prussia?
@@user-gk1ck4bm6x one of the old german states
Answer: See Super Germany in Victoria 2
Look up "holy roman empire , novel ,mtl" for an alt history novel over austrian domination of europe in the 1800.
The Bering Strait; where China meets Canada.
I can imagine a very depressed Stalin.
I want a western movie or novel set in the Russian expansion into Siberia. It would be sick and I’m sad to say I have better things to do than write it myself.
All western movies about Russia is a complete shit due to extreme level of totalitarian propaganda in the west. Let alone all their movies are shit for 13 yo
I've feel like this would make for a great movie or epic (think Lawrence of Arabia).
you forgot about alaska, alaska would either become british or chinese because of alaska being sold to us by russia but if there isnt a russia to buy from then no alaska for america
I acctualy doubtfull that Chinese would go much deep in to north. Iirc some Chinese went as far as Baikal and call it a day, so Alaska would be British and then Canadian. Island of Sakhalin would be Japanese for sure, maybe even all of Asia eastern shore as well.
@@FedulAis I'd say Kamchatka and Alaska would be japanese territories in that case
Alaska could have become a part of Canada.
@@mark12strang58 it is - but Canada is overstreched now - it would be immensly overstretched then. Specifically I talk about Aleutian Islands that used to be a vital area in WW2. Be it in Canadian hands, Japanese would take it easier than from US
It more likely that the big gold rush in Alaska would have happened and Canada, backed by the British Empire would have taken it
Whatifalthist whenever he sees a Brazilian:
"my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined"
3:40 wanna hear a joke? Ottoman Empire actually fought against Russia during Ivan the Terrible conquest, after Russia conquerred Astrahan khaganate. And Russia won. At this point, alternate timeline breaks.
I’m a bit surprised that Sweden didn’t join in on the action in your timeline in the Russian Time of Troubles and try to annex Novgorod.
Me: Sees a map with a Northern War Victory Sweden
Also me: Clicks faster then the swedes beating the Danish in the Great Northern War.
same I was so fucken ready for Carolus rex to live up to his potential
Bruhh the swedes just walked over the frozen ocean... We had no chance of beating them
@@autarch6376 Copenhagen? More like *CopenhaGONE*
@@sampledpuppet5023 So the king wouldn't have been the most overrated and shittiest king there is, doing more than fucking up his own country and getting shot in Fredrikstad
How timely! I just had a lecture on Gulags.
Yes... finally... i waited two thousand years for this video
What did you do before 20AD
6:02 "Russia becomes a Brazil" even in other realities u can't scape Brazil
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
6:14 "Swedes were only barely stopped"
actually they were completely crushed in battle of Poltava from a military point of view
That was one battle
*Happy Sakha Khanate noises*
*Delighted Japanese noises*
video creator: *Sad Sakha Khanate under Great Qing noises*
😭🥲
Small peoples of Siberia and the Far East did not want to become part of the russian empire and there were resistance to pay tribute for this. Small nationalities wanted to live freely.
wtf? native americans said the same
*Golden horse tribe exist*
Black Death: "Skiddadle Skiddoodle, your men turn like the noodles"
Damn hes posting a ton more often than normal, its pretty nice ngl
Ok france and GB would still be enemies : france manpower would allow them to counterbalance the royal navy , and the british rapid technological progress ,
We would also see a particular philosopfy really take old in france :
Positivism was essentially the worship of science and it impled the scientific organization of society , and so we might have a france that doesn't use markets as much ( afther Napoleon got defeated the british became much more capitalist specifically to counter the motto " liberte egalite fraternite " whoch is why they still have a king and landed aristocracy ) and might rely on centralized planning meaning that afther some years of strife due to tecnical errors we might end up with a france in constant economic growt and with fewer economic crisies than the british empire ...
Tatar Empire would be established :)
If you haven't yet, could you look into what if Napoleon had sent the Leclerc expedition to get Haiti to join him instead of to destroy it. It's something that almost happened
Rambo: What if Russia never colonized Siberia?
Stalin: He He ha ha
What if the Mississippi was a cradle of civilization?
From great mongol empire to simply being called horse tribes damn they went down low
Nothing I like seeing more than a new Whatifalthist video.
Video Idea: What if Switzerland had won the Battle of Marigiano 1515?
That lose was in our Timline the end of Swiss conquest and turned Switzerland into a mostly defensive alliance
What if Western Australia split from Australia or what if Australia was colonised by other European nations?
Lynch: Siberia is not frozen
Also Lynch: Siberia has the same climate as Canada
I disagree with several points of the video:
You said that it took only 40 years to conquer all of siberia but it was just establishing small outposts on the southern siberian border. Northern parts weren't even touched until late XIX century and biggest towns in northern siberia didn't exist until Soviet Union
I agree that overall china might had bigger presence in siberia but I don't think it would be spread that far away, since while China could establish outposts, there are really not much they could extract from that land and relatively small areas with good farmable land are going located after barely controlled mostly nomadic mongolic states.
You didn't mentioned quite interesting possibility of English Siberia: after Richard Chancellor en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Chancellor established contact with Russia, English merchants started bigger trading until protectionist policies of stars ended it. English could seize it as protectorate and, as you mentioned, during hunt for fur push further into Siberia
You also didn't mentioned that Kazan didn't had resources to push into existed khanate of Siberia and as well manage to defeat all of it enemies in Astrakhan and Crimea who all pretended for restoration of Golden Horde, so I rather expect Siberia be more similar to Africa in XIX century: with several nomadic states, tribes and a lot of land (most of which is I need frozen) unless as I mentioned, English will use power vacuum and push from both Canada and White Sea to claim all Arctic.
That's a great point. China had no interest in expansion for reason unrelated to Russia. It would be as you say the English, possibly French or Germans that would try claiming East Siberia and Kamchatka for the sake of just owning more land. Then Japan would likely take over after Meiji Restoration, if we wanna speculate that far.
This is the only timeline that nerfs Russia that actually results in a worse outcome.
Could be a good outcome with some fixes:
1-Get Sweden to modernize, if they do then their polish-russian part would as well, maybe taking Kazan with them or not having Kazan being in the scenario at all
Then tbe empire could stand a chance against Napoleon, probably not winning of course but weakening him enough for either him being overthrown like in our timeline or just forcing the guy to "play nice" with the other powers instead of lording all over Europe after losing part of his army
2- Get China to modernize(or at least for Japan to be a less terrible invader), you could get that by saying that a colonized Siberia would butterfly away the later bad dinasties or take a page from Whatifalthist's "What if Japan became catholic?" for a chinese-japanese alliance with open trade with the West
@@ale-xsantos1078 well i would probably doubt that japan would be able to fully conquer china : they could use the russia effect a lot , by which i mean their population would exeed the 800 millions and their land is way too big for the japanese to conquer them , without considering how trade might appen and the chinese might industrialize somewhat and just zergrush the japanese out of the continent ,
In short it's a kind of 100 years war ...
No, there is
The change was set far away from Corsica, in the east of Eastern Europe, which was also mentioned in the video
None of the changes he made would have a impact on the state of the french kingdom nor prevent the revolution that put Napoleon in power
Could that still butterfly away Napoleon somehow? Possibly, but if we assume any change would do so we cant have alternate history because there would be no history to work with
And assuming that, by chance, the events in Western Europe followed the our TL up to the point where Napoleon would have decided to invade Russia, then the results would be like what the video has shown
@17mohara Hara
Yeah I agree
@@ale-xsantos1078 i mean the french kingdom would have still lost the 7 years war and a significant borjuasee revolution would have still append , then a great general would have had significant success against everyone else ,
This general would have build a significant fame and would have become a significant figure in the french gov. ,
That general would have been competent , and might have been in a military dictatorship ,
He might not have been a military genius like Napoleon , but would have still been very competent , the best out of all the french generals as a matter of fact , he might not have been called Napoleon , but would have still been able to conquer europe ...
We need to see the full map of this scenario
What if Russia didn't sold Alaska?
Then Russia would still have Alaska
@@neemapaxima6116 There's more to it than that, obviously. Like the Cold War might have ended differently, had the Soviets had bases in North America
alaska would be the russian taiwan
Yup, if russia doesn't colonize Syberia, Sweden randomly eats up whole territory of Poland
Got it
its not china who could have living on it but it would rather japan or u.s. who owned it if russia never conquered it maybe in the history it would say that china owns it but because of them being a sleeping giant for so long the dream of owning siberia and having access to the sea of japan and north pole would never be a reality
Can you make a what if Africa was completely united (or almost), you select which time period would be more "realistic".
The Bantu's were able to conquer so much with just sticks and stones. Imagine if an actual civilization existed in sub saharan Africa. Maybe the Ethiopians could look West
Up!
That's pretty much impossible, Africa is simply too big and has too many dividing geographical features.
If Africa was completely united then you would have one ambassador coming hat in hand to Europe and North America looking for handouts rather than almost 50.
What if brazil fell into civil war in the past when it was most likely?
So... Yesterday?
@@nerobernardino88 lmao
That's an easy one. Just do a "what if Dom Pedro II died in an early age?". Brazil would be just like the rest of Latin America. Probably even worse.
What happened during Pedro II's Regency was many civil wars in OTL. Lots of secession attempts.
@@Faerandur That's looking at it from the wrong angle. During the regency that happened between his and his father's regin, a lot of secessions were in fact attempted. But, once he came to power, Pedro II was able to masterfully put them all down. It's why Brazil is a single, massive geographical entity instead of a balkanized mess.
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But why didn't the Russians export more of their people to Siberia? A kind of reverse Manifest Destiny
Because of the Soviet Union.
Because it's a harsh climate with terrible logistics. Actual living space is severly limited. Why Canadians live mostly on the border with US? They also has a vast territories. Even by Chinese standarts Manchuria is a cold place and most of the population lives in the south.
@@LazyPictures That answer is ridiculous.
"Terrible logistics" its a land empire, have you heard of roads? They made it to the Pacific in the 17th century
"Actual living space is severely limited" 🤨
The reason most Canadians live on the border is because one of the most warlike nations on Earth live down there. America and Canada weren't always so friendly, so for a long while the Canadians where afraid of an invasion. So they concentrated their population as a defensive measure
@@LazyPictures But Chinese did immigrate in Manchuria. If they didn't there were be much smaller population, like in Mongolia.
And another interesting fact: Chinese immigranted in Machuria mostly because of Chinese Eastern Railway, that was built by Russia. And if there were no Russia, then there were no railroads, and then no Chinese immigrants. So i don't think Siberia under chinese rule must be very populated land.
@WhatifAlthist, what if Avery the Cuban-American is a sentient robot from the future?
hot blade?
Actually, I think Russia would be more Western. Since they mostly have to focus on Europe, and not on Asia. They are free from stronger Asian influences.
i desagree, the only time when asia infuenced on russia a lot was the mongol invasion.
>Greater Japan
>Napoleon wins
>THICC China
Alright how do I move to this timeline?
Are you sure it's a better world?
@@eduardvandenheever8565 Yes
@@リアプロ Based
Keep the grind up
The central Asian republics, and the caucuses region, and other minority groups and regions, fared much better and had a better standard of living-living relative to the time-on the post-dictatorhip Soviet Union.
The USSR not only held much of these regions together, and brought then up in standard of living, equal opportunity etc., the USSR also managed to keep much of the historic ethnic tension and rivalries relatively at bay. Post-USSR, as we saw, these regions/States almost immediately began waging ethnic based wars agasint oneanother.
After all, given how large and ethnically diverse, the USSR was, its was an affirmative action empire.
China, due to its size and ethnic diversity, has operated in much of the same vein.
Except that Tsarist and Soviet imperialism actually gave rise to sovereign ethnostates for some minorities who would otherwise might remain minorities in other countries. Mongolia could have been eaten up by the PRC but Russian imperialism actially carved out a sovereign Mongol state in Outer Mongolia.
I love your videos so try to do as many as you can but most importantly make them the best you can no matter how long. J’aime vos vidéos!
6:00 "You're going to Muscovy"
NOOOOOOO
Finno Ugric, Tatars and other Turkic tribes would fill some of the void of the vast expanse of Siberia in the colonial period.
Do a video on: *"What if the U.S. never bought Alaska?"*
This is meaningful question. It could happen that the Russian Empire thinks the price is not good enough, or USA decline to pay that price.
@@csmth96 Exactly. What would Alaska mean for the Cold War? That would be interesting to see.
@@amrahmed7856 While an interesting question in theory, it isn’t as world altering as many would think.
The reason Russia was so adamant about selling Alaska to the US was because it was an financial drain on their economy, and was in a difficult to defend position. But more importantly, there was two possible outcomes for said colony in the near future. Either it is purchased by another power, or it it is conquered.
The Russians did not have the resources to defend Alaska, and even if they did, they wouldn’t want to. It was thousands of miles away from the nearest Russian fleet in the Black Sea (they had a Pacific fleet, but it was very small), and the eastern border of Alaska had few natural defenses, with the Yukon river likely serving as a corridor straight into the heart of their territory (the river begins in Canada).
The British and the Americans were the two most likely candidates for either scenario. Selling it would be most desirable, as they could recoup some loss on relatively worthless land. If they sold it to the UK, who already had a land border on Alaska, they could easily undercut prices in negotiation, or just outright take it in a proxy war (as example Crimean War), with Russia barely benefiting from this British scenario, and the UK only growing stronger regardless.
The British were a bitter rival of Russia, and they would stand to benefit immensely from a worldly perspective, gaining a greater control of Pacific trade and blocking the Russian presence in said trade. The US however was not an enemy of Russia, nor did they have the military power to take Alaska by force, and would be more willing to pay larger sums due its strategic position between Canada, Siberia, and the Arctic.
The Russians tried selling Alaska to the US during the Civil War, but obviously the US was too busy to really negotiate, so they waited for the war to conclude before finishing the deal.
That is why Alaska was sold to the US, which isn’t all that different to why Napoleon sold the United States the Louisiana territory.
The only alternate history scenario worth considering is a British takeover, either by purchase or force, which in my opinion would only nominally affect world history. The Cold War, as example, would still have an ice curtain, only this time between the Soviets and Canada.
A history where Russia not only does not sell Alaska but somehow manages to keep it is honestly too unbelievable to happen without radically altering history further, such as artificially strengthening Russia, weakening the UK (perhaps by them not even conquering Canada in the first place) or somehow make them close allies with a stake in Russia’s presence in North America, all of which would require immense changes to the timeline.
Personally, I could see them selling Alaska to Japan as a more likely scenario to them keeping it all the way through the Cold War. It be like asking “what if France kept Louisiana?”, interesting on paper, but in practice likely means a history that isn’t nearly as interesting as one may think (and if you’re wondering about the Louisiana question, I think the UK or Spain would have occupied it in that scenario).
Alaska would be a poor region like Siberia
Really enjoyed watching this 😀
I know there's hundreds of ideas being posted into the comments, but I'd be really interested to see a video on what if King John didn't die in the First Barons' War, causing Prince Louis, later King of France to become King of England in the early 1200s. In our timeline, this didnt happen because King John died of dysentary and his 9 year old son would be much less of a threat to the barons than the future king of france.
Your role: Dimitri
There are 2 imposters among us.
"The Japanese Empire, if it existed, would be in pretty good shape"
sad Southeast Asia noises
its not china who could have living on it but it would rather japan or u.s. who owned it if russia never conquered it maybe in the history it would say that china owns it but because of them being a sleeping giant for so long the dream of owning siberia and having access to the sea of japan and north pole would never be a reality
*Worrying Korea noises*
9:35 I wouldn't say backwards, people there just live a different way.
I think the most interesting video about alternative Russian history if what would be is Vladimir the Great of Kievan Rus chose Latin Christianity instead of the Greek one. Imagine catholic or even protestant Russia, with Russian written in Latin script.
An even more interesting timeline would be what if Russia was Muslim
@@franciscoaraujo6624 our relations with the rest of Europe would be surely even more fucked up than they actually were. And ottoman empire would be our best buddy.
@@mihanich True. It's less likely than catholic or protestant russia but it still could've happened
Everyone has forgotten about the British Muscovy Company and the Dutch explorers Willem Barentsz and Martin Gerritszoon de Vries
G R E A T
T A R T A R Y
I’d like you to make a videos about What if Napoleon success to take over Egypt, What if Bulgaria won the Second Balkan War, What if France & USA colonized Korea and Japan. Also, I’d like you to remake your old videos too.
6:20 That's a sight for sore eyes.
The ottomans did not colonise the Somalia like it says in the map,they tried to set up shop in berbera but left after a few years because it wasn’t working out,and the omanis most definitely did not control the Somali coast they controlled the Swahili coast which Somalia is not a part of,they had a buisness representative in Mogadishu which they had to pay the Somali sultan to even keep there.
What if Spainsh armada succwssfully landed in England in XVI century?
4:46
The tsar is sus📮
Make a video on “what if China was a stable and united country after 1912”
What if napoleon won in egypt
alternate history: is very important...thanks for creating posting and commenting... :)
What do you mean “Muscovy” ? Russians never called their state in this way. It was the name that was used by Poles and Lithuanians.
Правильно. Существует только святая Русь и ничего более
Germans have never called their country germany either but here we are :v
@@23AlexandreJ hahah Ja
Dude, 6:02 why so much contempt with us?
LOL
Greetings from Brazil, great channel.
4:47 there is one tzar among us
When the Tsar is sus!1!1!1😳
@@Erde_midget770 vote the tzar i saw him kill the phesants
Charles XII was a teenager? He looks like Beavis from Beavis & Butthead. Did he say things like "I totally RULE ! Hehehehe.."
What if Babur aimed to retake Central Asia instead of invading India? Would he be successful? And what will happen to India without the Mughal Empire?
那其实都是蒙古国的领土，蒙古当时就是信了苏联的邪，和中华民族分了家，然后自家领土给苏联了不说，还甘愿当炮灰In fact, it is the territory of Mongolia, Mongolia was believed in the evil of the Soviet Union, and the Chinese nation split home, and then their own territory to the Soviet Union did not say, but also willing to be cannon fodder
What if the Taiping Rebellion had succeded?
9:23
"the standard of living in much of central asia has declined since the fall of the soviet union"
That's not what the chart implies though, it only says they're getting poorer relative to Russia.
And?
@@andknuckles101 They're not actually getting poorer
@@davidschultz1562 Getting poorer relative to Russia, and Russia is pretty poor as they've had to pay off loads to the USA and stuff after the Cold War
Can you make a What if the Kalmar Union never fell?
There is no any Tatars at all... Russian government rename this people and the whole region to Tatarstan. In origin they are Bulgarians(not from the current country Bulgaria, but from Volga Bulgaria), the country that is your are showing "Volga Tatar" was renamed from Volga Bulgaria, everyone can check this.
unexpected, but I'm happy to see this
The Chinese government now perceives all of Siberia as belonging to it based on your video - they have drawn a nine dash line up to the Arctic and are ready for anything. Thanks a lot Whatifalthist. ...LOL
If ottoman empire and russian empire didn't fought with each other. They would conquer the whole europe
I would want Japan and Korea also take a piece of Siberia too
Ahah they were too backward to compete with Russia. And you are too backward if say this bullshit :)