Battery Powered Wifi MQTT Sensors! Shelly H&T and Shelly Smoke.
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Thanks for the Big Clive teardown recommendation. It was super interesting to see how these things are put together.
Finally Got my Shelly Smokes a few days ago 05/06/19. Ordered them in December18. So far so good. Thanks for the info and yaml ;-)
Thanks for the info, just ordered 2 h&t for my younger kids rooms so i Dont have to worry that they freeze to death this winter :)
Great. Im going to use the H&T to control the climate in my cannabis grow tent.
exactly!
The H&T and smoke devices would be the perfect things to add into a 3D printing enclosure. You could monitor temperature, and also keep an eye on things in case of a catastrophic failure via thermal runaway.
Another great idea that I missed. Thanks.
Well researched and well delivered content, as always. Thumbs up big time.
Thank you for the video!!!! Looking forward to the next one!
That's why we sometimes store batteries in the fridge. Extends battery shelf life.
Hi, I have been watching your videos for a while now, they have helped alot, my home setup is awesome now (I thnk) thanks to you and DrZzz. Dont know why I never subscribed before, but I have now. Cant wait for the walkthrough..
Got one in the bathroom triggering the exhaust fan when the humidity goes up. No more fogged up mirror after taking a shower.
I turn down the house thermostat to the 60's at night in the winter and use a small plug-in heater in the bedroom to save power/money. As a result, when the heat goes up automatically in the morning, the bedroom gets way too hot. The heater has a thermostat, but it's a simple slider with no markings, and it's one of those portable oil filled radiators that it takes a while to cool off. The Shelly H&T would give me much better control over this thing, and let me figure out the best time in the morning to turn it off.
Amazing Rob !!! Thank you so much
well For controlling Humidy in a indoor Bathroom, I'm planning to get one to activate the exaust so humidity can go down!
Great device the h&t. Maybe a bit pricey to me (considering what it will probably cost to get one in Italy), but -still- very good value: I could make something similar but their minification, sir, is the win point. My "result" will probably be 2-3 times bigger!
Yet another great video!
I like our nest protect. Does well but just costs your first born. Just ordered the H&T however because I want to jam that in the freezer so nice example you showed because that’s what I want to do haha
Another option for humidity and temperature are the small ESP8266 DHT11 modules on eBay from China. About $4 each. Can load Tasmota on them or write your own firmware (I wrote firmware which can report via SNMP and HTTP JSON) and they are easily powered by 5V. Only thing I've found is that you need to move the DHT11 off of the board with a short length of wire, otherwise you end up measuring the temperature of the board, not the room.
Yep, I've added DHT11 and DHT22 sensors to a few of my projects and have had decent success. I think the advantage of the H&T is that it keeps the wifi off completely until it needs to send an update so battery life is significantly increased.
I 100% agree that there are cheaper options if you're planning on plugging them in.
great video, CO detector will be in my purchase list. thumbs up for the bigclive plug.
Thank you. Good info.
love your videos!
can you tell me if it's easy to hook up the shelly H&T to a wall plug and let it send the change in temperature accurately with every 0.5 degrees change in temperature or X % of humidity? or would the frequently active WIFI radio cause a faulty temperature reading?
thanks in advance!
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If there were an accelerometer/pir/light sense on the h&t for your fridge/freezer application so I could know when the door is open, I'd be ordering right now rather than contemplating a diy.
Carbon Monoxide is generally heavier than air, and detectors for it are typically mounted close to the floor. It wouldn't make sense to bundle CO detection into a smoke detector, which is typically mounted at the highest point of the ceiling. Shelly's decision to keep the two devices separate makes sense in that regard. Just my $0.02.
Unfortunately you are wrong, carbon monoxide is lighter than air and diffuses evenly throughout the room.
@@BartomiejLechowicz I would recommend 02 monitors. Because you can have other gasses displacing oxygen in a home like natural gas and propane, you want to make sure your 02 isn't dipping below 20-21‰.
And you can use the information to control an HRV or ERV and even other forms of ventilation such as automatically opening windows and staring an high volume central ventilation fan.
I'm industrial fire brigade and we work and train with the fire department. 02 monitoring is our go to for confined space entry & rescue.
Thank you very much for all of your videos. You always explain things, I was looking for. When the shelly smoke sensors is "just an addition" to your already existing (and complient) smoke sensors, did you ever concider to capture the 433MHz messages with a DIY device? e.g. D1mini + RF-Module? (I would be very much interessted in such a video. :-))
I’ve been like looking for a smoke detector and CO2 sensor to work with Home Assistant. Did you ever have any luck? It doesn’t appear the Shelly Smoke is available.
Just thinking that as long as you set up mqtt properly on tasmota for each of the smoke detectors or whatever you update the firmware with, you could make each of the smoke detectors a subscriber to their own feeds that get updated by NodeRed so that if one detects, all associated alarms alert as well. At that point you would need to know what the interconnect protocol is for the wired smoke alarms to be able to trigger those to go off as well. I presume this would be much less of an issue with a retrofit of existing battery operated detectors. The down side of having the smoke detector checking the feed would be the hit on battery life.
Do the devices send mqtt messages for battery level so that you can track that, and have events set up in Node Red to notify you when batteries need to be replaced?
For the H&T, wondering if the drain on the battery in the freezer is impacted by the temperature as well. I'm aware that some electronics work more efficiently at lower temperatures, so even though the H&T is sensing less than 70%, that 70% may last longer than the 90%. I'm not expecting it though.
They should have included a micro USB jack for external power. You might pass that by them.
I didn't have to modify my detectors as I used an UL approved interface supplied by the manufacture, in my case Kidde with voice response. It connects just like any of their detectors and supplies an isolated contact that you can connect to a Z-Wave or any other dry contact interface. Cost about $20 or less for each type.
In addition Kidde has two versions of this interface. One for smoke and the other for CO. This way you can monitor for each condition. When mine detects smoke it turn off all fan of any kind in the house. When it detects CO it turns on all ventilation fans and when I add it the whole house attic fan. In either case main lights to exit paths are turned on.
A little side note. When we remodeled I added a magnetic door holder to hold the inside garage door open and ran the smoke detector cable to it. When any smoke or CO alarm goes off a second set of the interfaces releases the door. It's failsafe as the door will also close whenever power drops. The main reason for this was for doing laundry as it make it easier for my wife to carry the laundry to the garage. Without it she kept blocking the door which isn't safe but this way it is.
You didn't discuss the H part of H&T.
Would like an interface that would trigger the wired system, flame detection, and ability to record a voice alarm also ability to hard wire. Heck, could change out the sensor to motion with an alarm... but would need dc power.
I want to automate a new bathroom. Can I automate the lights (motion & time of day), exhaust fan (humidity & motion), and electric floor heat (time of day) using Shelly relay, Shelly H&T and upcoming Shelly Motion sensor with the Shelly App (ie. without MQTT, Tasmoto, etc)?
Hey Rob, On the note about using ESPixelStick firmware - how did you get on with uploading the firmware? I have a test ESP8266 (NodeMCU) running, but when I click the "bulb" in xLights the serial on the ESP8266 shows it crashing in a continuous loop. There is a mention about uploading config files, is this TO the ESP?
Thanks in advance, Steve
I'm guessing here, since I have not attempted this myself, but it seems you have to upload the data to the SPIFFS using the data upload feature of Arduino IDE...Or just check out the E131 library and the example code (use multicast and provide the correct universe number)
@@letsmakesomething9786 ahh ok, didn't know about data upload in the IDE? Will look at that, and the examples, thanks.
@@letsmakesomething9786 ahh that got it... i looked up some more videos and I was using the .ino to compile and upload, but you should use the java uploaded in the firmware release. All working now after setup via the web gui.
Yep, that java uploader saves soo much time.
Hey Rob. Will you be doing videos on xLights and synchronised music shows?
That would be a very popular video (or series of videos) 😁
How well do they work outside in New England weather 🌡️?
I know it's not on topic but do you use 5v and 12v plugins to the outlet or do you have it all ran to one place and is that even possiable? I do not have enough outlets
For powering what?
@@TheHookUp I have leds, multi sensors, some blind motors, and I was thinking about making more stuff but I never see you or drzzs plug in any of your 8266 boards into the wall. Just wondering if that's off camera or if you have somthing built in that runs to maybe a breaker box of some sort.
Hi, how doe sit work if it does not have Wifi signal available? Can it work as a humidity/temp logger? Thanks
Rob have you had any luck controlling the ESPixelStick via MQTT with HA? I found the state topics for power, rgb, and brightness. However the only channel I can control is the rgb values. Do you know the other command topics? Thanks.
I'm using falcon players mqtt to do the control. Espixelstick has very limited animation options.
I have Shelly H&T configured in home assistant. Does someone know how to configure yaml file so google hub can answer on question for temperature from sensor?
I haven't been able to find the Shelly devices. Perhaps, they were sold out over the Thanksgiving holiday. I wanted to try their products, but ended up having to buy the Sonoff instead.
That seems to be the most difficult part about using the shelly (finding them in the first place). The supply is not currently keeping up with demand. If you order through their website you can "reserve" your order from the next production of them.
On their website, it appears the basic one is 10€ and the one with 2 controllers is 20€. So it is not only more than the Sonoff, but it would also be necessary to make a currency conversion before making a purchase on their site.
This is exactly what ive been looking for! Can't wait to buy one for my keezer (kegerator!) how would you get this to show up in love lace?
The yaml for setting it up as a sensor is in the description, then it's the same as adding any sensor for Lovelace.
Yep, I dont mess with snoke detectors. Even the Honeywell wireless for the alarm is in addition to the current smoke detectors. Too sensitive to have a failure.
Javier Roques P. Snoke’s dead
I have a a shelly 1pm controlling my bathroom fan and light. I would like to use this T&H combined with a smart rule (triggered by the light switch off) to turn on the fan when the humidity is high, and then off when the humidity is low. Will this work? I assume it will, but I am asking because it is the light switch change that triggers the automation and not the humidity change.
Also, can alexa report the last sent temperature and humidity readings sent to shelly cloud?
I have that exact device combo doing that exact automation. It works great.
I don't think shelly has worked out alexa humidity readings yet, but you can ask that question on the shelly support facebook group and they will get back to you very quickly.
The Hook Up Thanks!
Thanks for the great video Rob!!! Geez, I needed this last week. I struggled to get the 3 pack of smokes installed last week. Docs for ShellySmoke MQTT weren't added yet, so I used the H&T topics to get going. Guess I should've messaged you, LOL !
**Trying to get the 'mqtt_will_topic' and 'mqtt_will_message' parameters working, but no luck. Any suggestions? Thanks again!
I'll take a look at the LWT stuff when I get home from work today.
I'd love to buy a few of the Shelley Smoke detectors. But in Europe, they've shown as out of stock for months. When I contacted Shelley, they said they'd be back in stock in June. It's the middle of June and they're still out of stock. Honestly, as much as I want these, I'm tired of waiting.
I think they ran into an issue with their supplier for the shell and had to use a different company.
How can you hard wire this for external power?
If, and I stress IF, the Shelly H&T can be recognized by Node Red it would solve my only remaining issue with SONOFFs.
I created a bread dough proofing box using the SONOFF TH10 to simply switch on/off a 100watt light bulb to maintain temperature. Works fantastic but it is the only device I have not been able to flash the "Tasmoto" firmware to get it off the EweLink cloud with all their data share mandates.
Can the Shelly H&T be recognized via Node Red without altering the firmware? I have no knead {bread baking pun} to have any devices communicating outside of my LAN.
Do you have an mqtt server? If so then it will easily communicate with node red.
@@TheHookUpThank you for the very quick reply. This sounds encouraging.
I assumed {dangerous I know} that because my Node Red communicates with the many SONOFF Basics that there is a MQTT server running. It is running on a Raspberry Pi 3 using "the script" from Peter Scargill to load everything. I don't recall loading a separate MQTT server.
Are you using mqtt nodes in node red?
@@TheHookUp Thanks again! On my Sonoff Nodes I see: mqtt@localhost:1883 so I would say yes.
These sure are pricey! I'll stick with my Xiaomi sensors at half the price.
Maybe I missed it but if you have more then one and it detects smoke will the others sound also ?
That's a good question, there's nothing about that in the documentation, let me reach out to shelly and ask.
@@TheHookUp No, the Shelly Smoke sensor are not interconnected, but it's good idea for future versions. Maybe they can be interconnect with simple 433 Mhz link between them.
Smoke detector can be used to trigger kitchen chimney once it's detect smoke
I don't think you can stop it from sounding the alarm.
Careful with this, it could feed a fire by creating a draft even though it could exhaust some smoke.
Do you have the shelly bulb? if so were you able to integrate it with home assistant?
I do have it, I haven't done a video on it because it has been pretty buggy for me, waiting on a firmware fix.
I have added it to HA with MQTT but if I try to select a color it turns the bulb off about half the time and you need to select a new color to get it to turn back on , not sure why.
Shelley Smoke i don't think is a "custom designed" product. You can buy versions of it that are ZigBee or Zwave from various companies. I bought a ZigBee model for £22 three months ago.
I think it is certainly made of different "modules", but the main board with the ESP8266 is most likely designed by shelly.
Yes for Smoke we use 3-rh party shells, but all inside is pure Shelly :)
Can we expect any reviews of the new Shelly sensors any time soon?
Final versions haven’t been released yet for the door sensor. I’ll cover them when they come out.
@@TheHookUp I just watched your new video and it really cleared up a lot of the new devices. I'm the most interest in how the shelly flood is going to perform.
Can the smoke detector be "hushed" by wifi? So when I burn the toast I don't have to flail at the screaming ceiling box with a teatowel to save my hearing ;)
I don't think so... I believe the smoke to buzzer circuit is independent of the esp, I could be wrong though.
@@TheHookUp True, the sensor and buzzer part are independent. There is second MCU which responsible for that. The alarm works even you completely remove the ESP from the board.
there is some hw design flaw in shelly1 that company needs to fix. i have blown 2 sheely 1s in a 3-way switch config. then i saw someone else on discord having the same issue and we both have gone back to sonoffs. i hope they have a good testing and qc before they release these products.
Can you describe how you wired it? I've got two shelly1 in 3 way config working without any issues.
The Shelly's are surely interesting but the software support is below par.
The app is ok but it is not visible in Google home, at least not in mine. But even if you get it linked to Google, you have to ask Google to 'talk to the Shelly cloud' and subsequently give your commands to the cloud.
So I think I will wait till the software comes out of its infancy
I don't use the shelly app very much to be honest. I use local MQTT control to interface with home assistant and it has been spot on.
I actually think support is the biggest difference between Shelly and iTead. Shelly seems to listen to user feedback and produce updates and new functionality extremely quickly. If you join their facebook support group you can talk directly with the people making new product decisions. I do not believe they are following any set path, if the demand for a device exists I believe the shelly guys will work as hard as they can to make it happen affordably.
@@TheHookUp hmm, are you saying that the Shelly 'as is' is responding to mqtt messages coming from an mqtt server/broker of your own choice? Thát wasn't clear to me and I would definitely prefer that option so I can link it in to my openHAB right away
shelly smoke is still listed as "coming soon" anyone know if shelly is still developing it, or are they done with the home automation stuff?
It's been revised, which is why it shows "coming soon". I didn't get the full story, but it had something to do with the original supplier of the shells backing out of the deal because they were also producing a zigbee version for another company and that company was not happy about the new partnership.
Too Bad, that The H&T does Not have an Input, (Free gpio) to make it read something like a Button Push... Would make a Great lightswitch For smart bulbs, a doorbell, Multi / moisture Sensor... maybe we are able to Exchange The temprature Sensor Hardware Wise 😋
It has a GPIO header, you could probably rig something up.
Are Shelly products actually made in China by another company on an OEM basis? The devices look very familiar on Alibaba.
All Shelly products is made in Europe. Just the shells from Shelly Smoke is buy from 3-th party supplier.
You did not mention the purpose of the H&T until well into the video and even then it was fleeting.and I heard nothing about the smoke.
Disappointed that have stock to ship to you, yet they claim production delays and no stock to ship out backorders from the launch
Not sure how that works, how much they keep for "internal stock" vs "production stock". I can tell you my H&T didn't come in a production box (it came in a shelly2 box), so I doubt it was the same stock that will go out to those who ordered.
smoke sensors that listen are far superior then just another smoke alarm. I guess it is redundancy but the price is far to high.
You mean sensors that act as a bridge between your installed smoke alarms and your home automation platform using sound? I agree that's a great solution and I think Amazon Echo has a pretty good implementation of it.