It's nice that they are keeping themselves relevant in the fast changing market. For sensors with no display I use DIY with esp home. So I like the clean look with the display that I can place anywhere in the house.
Totally agree Claire! Also what's good news is what they said on launch event. All Gen 2 devices should support Matter in future this also future proofs this and other newer devices (Plus series).
Shellies discovery script - used for MQTT and Shelly devices has pending support - they are just waiting for device to be officially announced. So that part is also a big plus.
I was in contact with dev of Shellies discovery script and he was waiting for device to be announced. He did release new version today for Gen 2 devices with support for Shelly Plus H&T. Also, latest release of Home Assistant (2022.7.6) had new library that should add support for all announced devices.
It would be cool if the display can be used to display other temperature sensor and weather info. I think in a few months we will have a custom firmware with that stuff.
That's a GEN 2. Did you already get them? If not, I would hold on a bit. There are some things strange going on with them lately. Not sure if it's latest FW or something in HA has changed...
@@BeardedTinker Damn, thanks a a lot for the warning.... sadly I ordered them 8 hours ago, was deciding between this and Aquaras temp sensor, since I run M2 Hub, but the marketing got the best of me and went with Shelly. But I'm really interested on the issues you mention, to try to see if I can find a work around.
Nice review, been looking at these for a few of those "wife approved" H&T sensor upgrades ;) I saw you using the IKEA rechargeable batteries, I've had a few devices in the past that didn't work well with them probably because of the 1.2V (instead of 1.5V) on most rechargeable brands, I'm guessing there's been no issue with the Shelly device in this regard? Keep 'em coming! :)
Thank you Anders! Yes, all those rechargable batteries are lower voltage. Unfortunately because of that some devices require more frequent battery recharge. But I bought that IKEA storage/recharger so have 8 always ready now 😆 Will see how long Shelly will last on those. SwitchBot Meters is holding ok.
@@BeardedTinker great, I'll go find the latest set and the charger, and please let us know if they drain fast, I know it's probably more on the batteries than the device, but having the home automation running on rechargeables seems like the nicest solution 😉
Great video... thanks a lot. Please make a video on how to connect and use two Bluetooth speakers at the same time with raspberry pi lite (bullseye)...
Actually LED is just 0.0014A, but device stand by is also very low - 0.0039A with this LED or 0.0025A for just the device :) th-cam.com/video/GS7zjsUhzDs/w-d-xo.html
The device seams to connect to my wifi initially and it does show on the device itself that it is connecte. But then it seems to be disconnecting, I can not fin it in the Shelly app and my router shows teh device offline.
Hello. Thanks for your great video. I am unable to get temperature information via MQTT, can you please advise how to read temperature via MQTT? Thanks!
In Home Assistant or somewhere else? For Home Assistant I used Shellies discovery script - Gen 2 - github.com/bieniu/ha-shellies-discovery-gen2 But that was for testing. Now I'm using CoIoT s primary integration - that's internal HA integration not needing MQTT.
And now a year later I have one and there is still no getting it integrated into HA. It's pretty, yes. But until it has some way to integrate it's useless to me.
Mine is added to HA, but in last few months, updates are really horrible. I get maybe one reading every few days - it's more in unavailable state than not.
@beardedTinker H&T still not supported in HA ?? I have bought a Shelly H&T but having trouble to get it into HA. Firstly when I setup the Wifi it's only connected to my home network when in AP Mode (Allthought I can access it with the Homenetwork IP number). If it turns to normal display mode the unit is no longer visible in my network ?? In HA the shelly intergration is discovering the H&T device. but I do not get any device / entities. I'm running on the latest version of HA, and shelly intergration and also the 0.12 firmware in the H&T (Even tried the 0.13 beta). I I read here there should a 'native' support for the H&T. So what am I doing wrong. (I can't also not add it to the shelly app itself since it is not getting thru the setup procedure because it's saying bluetooth is stopped in the last steps of the setup - Added a lot of shelly's with this phone) So how can I get it runjing in Home assistant ??? Thanks
I run HA 2023.1 And Shelly Plus H&T 1.12 (I think that's the latest firmware - non beta). I did configure websocket in Shelly: enabled Websoket used default TLS ws://192.168.1.100:8123/api/shelly/ws And rebooted plus once again pressed button in Shelly. Device was added/discovered automatically by HA. And in shelly websocket, two icons were active (websocket and connection)
I bought it and found it a bit useless for my use case. It only updates temperature every 5 minutes or every 0.5 degrees C even when powered which makes no sense. Considering my old Xiaomi sensor offers realtime temperature change I found this really poor.
Did you try changing update values? You can set when to send update data. If changes are minor, it doesn't update data to save battery, and I think it's every 30 minutes or similar, or unless there is 0.5oC temp change, than it autoupdates. Xiaomi also has this - it doesn't update data all the time, it can be every 30-60 minutes unless change is big enough, But you couldn't change this value when to update. On some Tuya Zigbee ones, you can change, but it has really big impact on battery life.
But you can't do that on aqara too as you mention. All devices have sleep and if there is no change in value, they don't report value. But unlike Aqara, you can specify here what the change in temperature or humidity needs to be for it to send update. discord.com/channels/675020779955683328/675076022378692621/1031248130194280469 Try putting sensor in the fridge and see how it will constantly report temperature until in reaches temp inside. After that it will stop doing so. Or much easier - just keep USB plugged in power - it will have more frequent updates.
Did you setup everything on device itself. Mine is still working great. I think I have latest firmware (0.14.1). There were some bugs with HA integration but those were fixed long time ago. I have enabled Bluetooth, outbound sockets towards HA (ws://192.168.1.36:8123/api/shelly/ws) - but more or less, everything is standard.
Ciao un saluto a tutti, volevo chiedere se puoi dare indicazioni su come fare a pilotare Shelly TRV tramite Shelly H&T non trovo da nessuna parte passaggi completi su come fare, ti ringrazio se puoi aiutare. Hi, hello everyone, I wanted to ask if you can give directions on how to drive Shelly TRV via Shelly H&T. I can't find complete steps on how to do it anywhere, thank you if you can help.
Did someone tested MQTT already? Topic is dropping this: {"id": 0,"tC":28.5, "tF":83.2} Makes my applications to show 0 instead of the value. How to solve this?
Do you use Shellies Discovery script - Gen 2? github.com/bieniu/ha-shellies-discovery-gen2 If not, try it but take note on battery powered devices set-up in it
@@BeardedTinker Yes I can see it, but my client in homekit expecting an exact value here. (mqttthing) Is there any chance to grab only the tC value in the topic?
If it cannot report temperature with 0.1°C resolution minutely or nearly minutely it cannot be the best sensor... It's not usable for precise temperature control in a feedback loop...
Did you try powering it via USB cable? But, sure, for industrial and scientific use, there are far better thermostats. Of course, none operate on WiFi and on battery, but they can measure more precisely - even up to 0,01 or less difference, and update much faster. Again, not on WiFi and battery and not for 30-40€.
@@BeardedTinker Nope, this comment was thrown at Shelly. I don't like Wi-Fi as a protocol for Home Automation in general unless your hotspot/router is nearby, the signal strength is terrible because of PCB antennas most of the time. I do like their open approach and the choice they give users, i.e. cloud or MQTT. Overall, stability has improved a lot, but devices like this one also clutter the local networks. When I have the choice, I go for ZigBee for everything, but sensors exclusively, unless there is no alternative, which these days is very rare. Again, Aqara is unbeatable for battery life, some of my sensors are going strong for a third year without replacement on a tiny coin cell battery. When it comes to BT it is even worse, I use few sensors and this protocol should be dropped IMHO for sensors, I use Mi Flora sensors, and temp/humidity clock from Xiaomi (e-Ink) but battery life is abysmal, while the latter works for around 10 months on two coin cells Mi Flora sensors need replacement every 3 months on average and also suffer from poor signal range. I would pay twice for an Aqara Zigbee soil sensor just to get a device that will work at least a year on one battery. I know, that there is a DIY sensor, but I don't know if it will survive outside in the rain but MiFlora works as the seal can withstand watering and the rain 365 days. Sorry for the rant-like comment, but I don't find it a good product, especially since there are better products available on the market which do exactly that.
What integration you are using - internal or MQTT? Internal should pick it up instantly without any issues while MQTT required Shellies Discovery Script Gen 2.
if it's a pain to add like 'all shelly devices' :D don't you think the over 5 milion devices connected at the moment would be giving more of an issue :D
It's nice that they are keeping themselves relevant in the fast changing market. For sensors with no display I use DIY with esp home. So I like the clean look with the display that I can place anywhere in the house.
Totally agree Claire! Also what's good news is what they said on launch event. All Gen 2 devices should support Matter in future this also future proofs this and other newer devices (Plus series).
Haha! You did it! Great work again! 👌🏻
Thanks Ed! Decided to kick it out and go to bed :)
@@BeardedTinker Have a good night sleep! Talk to you soon.
This Shelly plus H&T is awesome, can’t wait to get few of them
Shellies discovery script - used for MQTT and Shelly devices has pending support - they are just waiting for device to be officially announced. So that part is also a big plus.
Maybe, everything depends on application and update trigger/rearm intervals imo. You either monitoring, switching, or both😁
I was in contact with dev of Shellies discovery script and he was waiting for device to be announced. He did release new version today for Gen 2 devices with support for Shelly Plus H&T.
Also, latest release of Home Assistant (2022.7.6) had new library that should add support for all announced devices.
Awesome review! Looks like a pretty sweet device!
Thank you Aaron! Looking really good. Time will tell how it's gonna perform
It would be cool if the display can be used to display other temperature sensor and weather info.
I think in a few months we will have a custom firmware with that stuff.
Just to confirm that you can use it on USB-C with Alkaline battery in. Device will use USB-C as power source.
Thanks for the info!!! When I tried screen just turned black and had to remove both USB and batteries to get it back on.
Thanks for the great review and detailed operation, deciding to buy 4 to replace my old shelly. Btw just have a question, is this GEN2? or GEN3?
That's a GEN 2. Did you already get them? If not, I would hold on a bit. There are some things strange going on with them lately. Not sure if it's latest FW or something in HA has changed...
@@BeardedTinker Damn, thanks a a lot for the warning.... sadly I ordered them 8 hours ago, was deciding between this and Aquaras temp sensor, since I run M2 Hub, but the marketing got the best of me and went with Shelly. But I'm really interested on the issues you mention, to try to see if I can find a work around.
It just stopped connecting to HA. I'll try to factory reset mine and see if it helps. Need to debug it a bit more, but always have other things to do.
Nice review, been looking at these for a few of those "wife approved" H&T sensor upgrades ;) I saw you using the IKEA rechargeable batteries, I've had a few devices in the past that didn't work well with them probably because of the 1.2V (instead of 1.5V) on most rechargeable brands, I'm guessing there's been no issue with the Shelly device in this regard?
Keep 'em coming! :)
Thank you Anders! Yes, all those rechargable batteries are lower voltage. Unfortunately because of that some devices require more frequent battery recharge. But I bought that IKEA storage/recharger so have 8 always ready now 😆
Will see how long Shelly will last on those. SwitchBot Meters is holding ok.
@@BeardedTinker great, I'll go find the latest set and the charger, and please let us know if they drain fast, I know it's probably more on the batteries than the device, but having the home automation running on rechargeables seems like the nicest solution 😉
Wife approved iot items are hard to find 😄
They really are hard to find. I often hear - I'm not impressed :D
Great video... thanks a lot.
Please make a video on how to connect and use two Bluetooth speakers at the same time with raspberry pi lite (bullseye)...
Looks good B.T. Thanks.
Thank you Ron!
The standby power seen on the new version is the LED. 😂😉 You should use a cable whiteout a LED.... Then you should see it uses 0A
Actually LED is just 0.0014A, but device stand by is also very low - 0.0039A with this LED or 0.0025A for just the device :)
th-cam.com/video/GS7zjsUhzDs/w-d-xo.html
The device seams to connect to my wifi initially and it does show on the device itself that it is connecte. But then it seems to be disconnecting, I can not fin it in the Shelly app and my router shows teh device offline.
It goes to sleep when powered via battery and wakes up to send data update. You can temporarily power it via USB to configure or test everything.
Hello. Thanks for your great video. I am unable to get temperature information via MQTT, can you please advise how to read temperature via MQTT? Thanks!
In Home Assistant or somewhere else? For Home Assistant I used Shellies discovery script - Gen 2 - github.com/bieniu/ha-shellies-discovery-gen2
But that was for testing. Now I'm using CoIoT s primary integration - that's internal HA integration not needing MQTT.
And now a year later I have one and there is still no getting it integrated into HA. It's pretty, yes. But until it has some way to integrate it's useless to me.
Mine is added to HA, but in last few months, updates are really horrible. I get maybe one reading every few days - it's more in unavailable state than not.
@beardedTinker
H&T still not supported in HA ??
I have bought a Shelly H&T but having trouble to get it into HA. Firstly when I setup the Wifi it's only connected to my home network when in AP Mode (Allthought I can access it with the Homenetwork IP number). If it turns to normal display mode the unit is no longer visible in my network ?? In HA the shelly intergration is discovering the H&T device. but I do not get any device / entities.
I'm running on the latest version of HA, and shelly intergration and also the 0.12 firmware in the H&T (Even tried the 0.13 beta).
I I read here there should a 'native' support for the H&T. So what am I doing wrong. (I can't also not add it to the shelly app itself since it is not getting thru the setup procedure because it's saying bluetooth is stopped in the last steps of the setup - Added a lot of shelly's with this phone)
So how can I get it runjing in Home assistant ???
Thanks
I run HA 2023.1 And Shelly Plus H&T 1.12 (I think that's the latest firmware - non beta).
I did configure websocket in Shelly:
enabled Websoket
used default TLS
ws://192.168.1.100:8123/api/shelly/ws
And rebooted plus once again pressed button in Shelly.
Device was added/discovered automatically by HA. And in shelly websocket, two icons were active (websocket and connection)
I bought it and found it a bit useless for my use case. It only updates temperature every 5 minutes or every 0.5 degrees C even when powered which makes no sense. Considering my old Xiaomi sensor offers realtime temperature change I found this really poor.
Did you try changing update values? You can set when to send update data. If changes are minor, it doesn't update data to save battery, and I think it's every 30 minutes or similar, or unless there is 0.5oC temp change, than it autoupdates. Xiaomi also has this - it doesn't update data all the time, it can be every 30-60 minutes unless change is big enough, But you couldn't change this value when to update. On some Tuya Zigbee ones, you can change, but it has really big impact on battery life.
@@BeardedTinker "Unfortunately, you can't change the report period or keep the device always awake." .... official answer from Shelly themselves.
But you can't do that on aqara too as you mention. All devices have sleep and if there is no change in value, they don't report value. But unlike Aqara, you can specify here what the change in temperature or humidity needs to be for it to send update.
discord.com/channels/675020779955683328/675076022378692621/1031248130194280469
Try putting sensor in the fridge and see how it will constantly report temperature until in reaches temp inside. After that it will stop doing so.
Or much easier - just keep USB plugged in power - it will have more frequent updates.
tried to add the sensor to the HA... the sensor is discovered by the HA, but no entity found for the dashboard :-( any hints?
Did you setup everything on device itself. Mine is still working great. I think I have latest firmware (0.14.1).
There were some bugs with HA integration but those were fixed long time ago.
I have enabled Bluetooth, outbound sockets towards HA (ws://192.168.1.36:8123/api/shelly/ws) - but more or less, everything is standard.
Instead of a new product launching, Shelly should deliver their 1L relay which is impossible to buy for the last few months.
Yes, looks like even page is not available in the shop for it. Shelly Croatia has a bunch of them in stock on the other hand.
Ciao un saluto a tutti, volevo chiedere se puoi dare indicazioni su come fare a pilotare Shelly TRV tramite Shelly H&T non trovo da nessuna parte passaggi completi su come fare, ti ringrazio se puoi aiutare. Hi, hello everyone, I wanted to ask if you can give directions on how to drive Shelly TRV via Shelly H&T. I can't find complete steps on how to do it anywhere, thank you if you can help.
Did someone tested MQTT already? Topic is dropping this: {"id": 0,"tC":28.5, "tF":83.2} Makes my applications to show 0 instead of the value. How to solve this?
Do you use Shellies Discovery script - Gen 2? github.com/bieniu/ha-shellies-discovery-gen2
If not, try it but take note on battery powered devices set-up in it
@@BeardedTinker I am not using it, I just want to simply read data from MQTT, not for home assistant (But I'll take a look on it, thx)
@@somogyvarizoltan0 is state of id field. tC has temperature data in Celsius. So value is ok for ID field.
@@BeardedTinker Yes I can see it, but my client in homekit expecting an exact value here. (mqttthing) Is there any chance to grab only the tC value in the topic?
Nor sure how really
Does this support Alexa routines triggers as sensor?
No idea - it should be possible to add it to Alexa and Google smart hubs but I don't use Alexa nor routines, so can't helo you with that. ;)
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If it cannot report temperature with 0.1°C resolution minutely or nearly minutely it cannot be the best sensor... It's not usable for precise temperature control in a feedback loop...
Did you try powering it via USB cable? But, sure, for industrial and scientific use, there are far better thermostats. Of course, none operate on WiFi and on battery, but they can measure more precisely - even up to 0,01 or less difference, and update much faster. Again, not on WiFi and battery and not for 30-40€.
Nah, for sensors only Zigbee. Aqara is unbeatable in this space, period. Mesh network, is another unbeatable advantage over Wi-Fi / Bluetooth.
You missed part of the video - did you :)
@@BeardedTinker Nope, this comment was thrown at Shelly. I don't like Wi-Fi as a protocol for Home Automation in general unless your hotspot/router is nearby, the signal strength is terrible because of PCB antennas most of the time. I do like their open approach and the choice they give users, i.e. cloud or MQTT. Overall, stability has improved a lot, but devices like this one also clutter the local networks. When I have the choice, I go for ZigBee for everything, but sensors exclusively, unless there is no alternative, which these days is very rare. Again, Aqara is unbeatable for battery life, some of my sensors are going strong for a third year without replacement on a tiny coin cell battery.
When it comes to BT it is even worse, I use few sensors and this protocol should be dropped IMHO for sensors, I use Mi Flora sensors, and temp/humidity clock from Xiaomi (e-Ink) but battery life is abysmal, while the latter works for around 10 months on two coin cells Mi Flora sensors need replacement every 3 months on average and also suffer from poor signal range. I would pay twice for an Aqara Zigbee soil sensor just to get a device that will work at least a year on one battery. I know, that there is a DIY sensor, but I don't know if it will survive outside in the rain but MiFlora works as the seal can withstand watering and the rain 365 days.
Sorry for the rant-like comment, but I don't find it a good product, especially since there are better products available on the market which do exactly that.
Awesome comment!!! Thanks for taking the time to write it!
Trying to add this device for over an hour. Don't buy this. It's a pain to add just like all Shelly devices
What integration you are using - internal or MQTT? Internal should pick it up instantly without any issues while MQTT required Shellies Discovery Script Gen 2.
@@BeardedTinker Internal. Got it to connect eventually thanks
if it's a pain to add like 'all shelly devices' :D don't you think the over 5 milion devices connected at the moment would be giving more of an issue :D
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Yep, video file name :)