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The Skip Barber Formula Car is a brilliant teacher, that's why it was used by the Skip Barber Racing School in the US. I summarise here what I believe to be the biggest cause (and solution) to losing the rear end in the Skip.
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What a pleasure to listen to someone who is calm and to the point and doesn’t just add extra words that are unnecessary.
I came for an apology regarding the tea incident but i found this 5:25
came for the tea. stayed for the toast. subbed just because it's the only way my ego can handle the fact i've been trolled so brilliantly.
I've just bought this car because the Ringmeister runs it from tomorrow. Never drove a Formula car, almost crashed it on every other corner then completely lost it on the fast stuff time and time again. Then something clicked and 5 laps later I was having the time of my life. It's insane how well this car looses speed when you throw it into a corner and even when you're sliding it, the brakes are so powerful and the car so controllable. It's such a fun car to drive and made me instantly faster in the MX5.
Also the going faster video is amazing at helping. It was definitely my lightbulb moment as well! Has improved all my racing oval and road combined.
Incredibly helpful video, exactly what I needed! Granted, I was still crap in my first two races in the Skippy, but at least I kept it mainly on track.
Really glad it's coming in handy for some - it's the biggest obstacle to new racers and even people just new to iRacing because it is quite unforgiving
This is exactly the video I needed although for Assetto Corsa not iRacing. What has confused me until now was that the Skip Barber is good for learning because it is difficult to drive not because it's easy.
Other biggie is the Skippy tires never overheat... They just get more and more grip. My fastest laps are always at the end of the race. So it's important to know how the tires behave over time. At the end of a race you can go ape shit and the Skippy stays solid.
What steering range should I use?
CSL.DD 8nm.
Have been using auto, it feels like I am driving a fork lift.
Where I am turning the rear tires to rotate the car.
It's very strange. With a 54 or 55 BB.
Finding this video just before my newly purchased Skippy loads up... 👍
Thanks for the video and the tip. I’ve just managed an incredible run of laps without spinning thanks to this advice. Now, if I can keep it clean in a race then hopefully my iRating will be on the up!
Awesome, man - glad to hear it. Working on a bigger video about spinning in general which might also help so keep an eye out. Will be a couple weeks.
Excellent, I learnt something ...toast. Great advice about the throttle balance, this has made a positive difference to my driving, thank you :)
Thank you! Just moved on from MX5 to the Skip and got frustrated a bit, kept losing the rear end on Oulton. This explained a lot.
Also just returned from my attic where I spent an hour searching for the Going Faster book, which I bought 20 years ago when Grand Prix Legends was released.
Time to re-read that :)
Thanks man, I hope the video helped a bit - the contents of the Skip book probably haven't changed much in recent revisions!
@@dannyleeracing It helped a lot! What I would also advise is the Centripetal circuit in Iracing, perfect for endlessly practicing this stuff :)
Hi,
thanks for this explanation regarding the skip barber and the drifting of the rear wheels. I didn't realize this was due to the engine braking, but I'm definitely going to try this in the next training session.
Thanks John, give it a shot and see if it helps keep the tail in check - it's definitely a must for carrying speed in the skip
Great video and I'm convinced that this could be valuable to any driver that intends to drive on a track - not just sim racers. 100% correct - I ran the real cars a bit and this is as true in iRacing as it is in the real cars. It so happens I was able to adopt to the cars in the sim easily, as this habit is somewhat ingrained, and as you say once you figure out balancing the car it makes it so rewarding to drive...you can really hustle it. But if you don't do what is recommended here - hold on!
Thanks! I ordered the book!
Fucking hell the toasting of the bread at the end as you calmly carried on talking really made me laugh. Bloody brilliant.
Multitask
Thanks for posting! I just told my daughter to order the book for me for Christmas... BTW when I buy my V3's I will use your Aff Link.
Thanks for dropping by - you will definitely be rifling through those pages with utmost interest, it's a brilliant piece of work
Holy.... Hahaha... what the heck is this?? Milky tea brought me here, but this ending deserves a sub. Congrats!
This is going to cut down my cursing a great deal - thanks for the tip!
I always thought the skippy was super easy to drive, but maybe that is because I came from the SRF which has probably the most severe lift off oversteer of any car in iracing. Great car, but not enough participation in my timezone, so I switched to the skippy.
You'd be right, the SRF is an even more exaggerated example of lift-off oversteer. I suppose with the skippy around the SRF would only ever be a niche, along with many other road cars like the GT1s
Thank you, I dont give up.
Grat, facts to the point, no fluff. That's how i like information. Others may have made 20 minutes out of this :( ... Oh, and somewhat strange toaster use case ... IMHO ....
Found you on reddit. And I can say that was a very good hint. I never really thought about that. I was using some times the throttle without knowing that. But now I got 2sec on my lab without spinning. Does this work for every RWD? And please make more videos like that. Thanks.
Yes, it will work for every car basically, because accleration will always transfer weight towards the rear (even FWD's with the same 'problem' - Eg. on cold tires), it just depends on the car how much, when and to what extend you want to balance front/rear. The same thing goes with braking inputs or any other inputs for that matter. Because now, that you know, what you know about the throttle application and it's force to turn weight on the rear and away from the front, you'll know that braking ever so slightly will turn weight over to the front and make you able to turn the car more (in racing driver terms often refered to as trial braking).
I could give full lectures on these kinds of subjects after 10+ years of racing, but the important thing to understand here is not so much the application of the throttle it self, but more so, that the car is always transferring weight front to rear as well as side to side (simultaneously) and that effects the handling because of the balance is changing on the go. And because your inputs are what's causing these effects, it means that you can manipulate the car to do what you need it to do, which is the whole essence of car control.
If you like information such as given in this video, I would highly suggest to read the book "Speed Secrets" by Ross Bentley. It's a book of wonders IMO and a book that I keep coming back to when needed :)
Have fun! :)
KF2NationalKartcrg Thanks a lot for this very interesting explanation. I will take a look in the book. And for the case you’re doing some training laps in iRacing and want to comment on it, just let me know ;-)
Because every RWD is driven through the rear wheels, engine braking also takes effects through the rear wheels, so the concept of adding a small amount of throttle to return the car to 50/50 balance applies to most. The difference is the amount in which the throttle amount varies per car, for example because the Skip has so low power it's not going to punish you for adding too much throttle mid-corner, whereas a Formula 1 would spin if you made a mistake because the power easily overwhelms the tyres. Thanks for the feedback and hearing about you finding this helpful!
thanx
Such. Great video thx
Gave a like for the toast alone ✌️
Toast Alone, ain't that some new singer bloke?
@@dannyleeracing dont worry, 1 year later I appreciate this pun
I've also found it helps to soften the rear ARB
Deffo, softening the rear ARB makes a big difference to how pliable the rear tyres are, as well as raising the front ride height
I am struggling big time road racing. Im an oval guy but trying to learn road racing. I do struggle with spinning but also how far to downshift
Yo, what the hell is that toast? I saw the tea incident, but this? This is deserving of a black flag.
Good video tho, I'm still driving the MX5s but I will try this out in the next practice session.
Do more vids like this
What steering degree is best with the Skippy on a CSL DD 8nm base?
I usually use 900 degrees in iRacing!
Aaaaaah. I shall go and try to spin less! Might allow faster entry speed therefore lap times I think.
That toast troll is just salt in the wound Danny boy. Teagate is still going strong. Oh dear, whatever have you started?
Yes!!!! This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So stay away from trail braking?
Trail braking is something you might not need to do much in the skippy, as it doesn't go fast enough to warrant big braking moments, and is so tail-happy that it's better to 'trail throttle'
@@dannyleeracing Agreed, I tried the throttle technique today in Oran Park. I was struggling to get below 1:18 before. I managed consistent 1:16-17 with a few 1:15.5 laps.
Another tip is don’t press your brake to hard