Elden Ring Lore: MARIKA'S STORY PT 1 - SCARS of the PAST
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Join me in this series as we dive deep into the psychology of what happens when someone is confronted with trauma. Trauma such as the butchering of their entire village. This type of trauma fragments the psyche into many pieces; mind and body, victim and protector, and splinter-psyche's that are "terrifying inner beings".
In this first video we will be covering what happens to the inner world of a child when trauma strikes. Unsurprisingly, it's exactly what we see in the lore of Elden Ring. Using a myriad of psychological studies and theories, this series is like no other.
Myiazaki out here doing what our therapists couldn't T_T
Myth is far o!der and more effective than the younger field of psychology.
This is good. Miyazaki often has themes of childhood trauma in his work. Sekiro, for example, is largely a story of childhood trauma - Wolf's trauma, his dissociation after his betrayal by his "father" (another trauma), overcoming his trauma, not being molded by it (despite Owl intentionally molding him that way), not being destroyed by it (becoming Shura), recognizing the value/wisdom in childhood innocence (Kuro) and ultimately, "raising" a child to be free of that trauma, and ending the cycle of abuse/violence. (Kuro, sending the divine dragon away)
As someone with significant childhood trauma, who has struggled well into their adult years with the aftereffects of it, these stories are very empowering to me. It may sound nerdy, but when I'm feeling really broken, i think of Wolf.
Thanks for doing this. Ill be rewatching. And maybe going back to therapy.
This is now the 3rd mind blowing elden ring theory video ive seen. Hawkshaw's color theory, Crunchy's Alchemy theory, and now this psychology theory. The implications drawn from these allegorical examinations of the story are really incredible. Fantastic work.
@@flibblemunch I am humbled to be in that category of videos. Thank you!
Yet to see someone dive into buddhism
You should read jung if you want to see those 3 theories combined lol
@@copyninja8756 no
He died way before first souls like
He wrote books
@@romerobritto9094 I've seen a number of Buddhist interpretations. Can't think of any off the top of my head, but I know they exist.
Bloodborne has a MASSIVE psychological influence, but I neglected to look at Elden Ring through that kind of lense. Definitely puts a new spin on things!
if you enjoy bloodborne lore Charred Thermos videos are worth every second
Not done watching the video yet but I noticed the trauma angle in the DLC right away. Elden Ring may look like a grand dark fantasy series (and it is), but at its core it appears to be a narrative about trauma and rejection. It’s very human despite all the talk of gods and demigods.
@@JustErics101 yes!
@@CenteredTarnished finished the video and it is great! Can’t wait for the rest of the series.
ah, but the gods themselves are but made by human hands. Maybe one of the most basic human things imaginable.
You just blew my mind. Never did I think about DID or disassociation as a way to understand the different aspects of Marika. I’m interested in how you will discuss st. Trina. Great video!!!
Thank you! I've been ignored for comparing Marika and Radagon to Tyler Durden since the theory of them being separate emerged!!
To see how far and how fast you’ve evolved your brilliant take on Elden Ring lore is straight up inspiring
@@Shikari93 thank you for the kind words! I’m glad you enjoyed. More to come soon
That is one of the best videos on Elden Ring I ever watched.
This game is so multi-layered and deep, it's a true work of art.
Glad you enjoyed it! Be sure to share it!
It is almost as if Marika's children aren't cursed but they are reflections of Marika.
Something that only now I realized it: when Miquella says: "Lord brother, I'm going to be a God. If we honor our part of the vow..." "Our part of the vow" doesn't mean it is another part of the vow of somebody else that needs to be honored? So Radahn and Miquella had a part of the vow to honor, but there is another part of the vow that needs to be honored by somebody else, no?
just from the beginning I'm on board. the way i saw it, the land of shadows were basically a result of Marika repressing her trauma. it is not only a land filled with what can't live in the order of the lands between, (example: if marika is eternal she can't be born in a village, therefore the shaman village ends in the land of shadows) but what Marika can't face or wants absolutely buried subconsciously. even the scadutree represents that. a tree born of anger and pain, that chokes and kills itself slowly. a tree that keeps on living despite being broken and rotten. even the idea at the base of the golden order is a trauma response. create order, control everything keep the cause of pain away. no matter the atrocity she has to commit, she won't return to the horrors she escaped from. maybe the outer gods are part of Marika, like saint trina, that she abandoned.
The flame of frenzy are her eyes and her desperation, her true response to the horrors.
the scarlet rot her rotten flesh and her desire of kinship and family.
the formless mother her blood, her maternal instinct and her empathy, helping the victims of her crusade but punishing the hornsent responsible by turning them into flies.
the outer god of the twinbird and death probably her acceptation of death and mortality she is avoiding.
maybe the outer gods are targeting Marika's children not because of curses but because they are technically their children too. they feel love towards them.
She goes beyond repressing her traumatic experience, she reproduces it compulsively onto others and herself.
By jarring warrior's bits and pieces, she reproduces the horrible, bloody, gruesome rituals of the potentates. By ensuring mass sacrifice and wars, she reproduces the violent hegemony of the Hornsent on their surroundings. By forbidding anyone from dying, she locks everyone in a system they don't want where everyone has a role they were born into, and ensures everyone suffers eternally along with her, a nation of zombies drifting through the world without freedom or peace of mind.
@@allthe1i disagree with you on the jars as i see it as a way of her repurposing a horrible practice into something honourable. The spirits of those warriors now rest in the erdtree and their remains now serve as fuel for the erdtree which she believes is a greater cause. Even real life religions have burials practices that have the same concepts of using the remains for a greater cause. I dont know why you are calling it gruesome as it should be pretty clear that the jars in the lands between and land of shadow are very different. I will also say that forbidding anyone from dying initially didnt cause suffering, as we can infer from erdtree favour and blessed dew descriptions, which is what she intended. Later on though it backfired.
I didn't talk about the jars. But removing the concept of death from a world will cause problems, not at first maybe or to few, but it creates more problems than solving them.
@@zen-t3w The warriors "die honorably" en masse in Marika's wars and then, when there are no wars to be fought, she opens colosseums so as to continue the onslaught. She needs mass death for the Erdtree, and I don't see how all those dead warriors would fit in the jars if not in tiny bits and pieces, which they could very well have been hacked into while alive. It's like serial killers who hack their pieces to victims, whether alive or dead, it's still a gruesome practice! Same with butchery or slaughtering, very gruesome, and people who have worked in this field are pretty unanimous they don't feel elevated at all by their work.
@@MitridatedCarbon I think my reply was deleted? I mentioned violent things so that could be the AI police.
been looking forward to this series and thrilled the first part finally dropped. thanks
if this video was just 'laying the foundation' for what's to come, then i am beyond excited
CT always finding ways to elevate Elden Ring. Excellent video, looking forward to more of this series.
genuinely started cackling maniacally when i saw that first quote pop up on screen and i knew what i was about to get into, god i love this fucking game
I'm really looking forward to the next part. this makes a lot of sense and i love how much research you put into this from a different perspective.
This series is definitely going to be as interesting and revealing as the Tarnished Archeologist's. Looking forward for more!
That adds a bit more weight to having the law of regression incantation* in the game along with Marika being beheaded and the Player can decide to reattach the head. Maliketh the shadow, where death is hidden away and must be reintegrated. I really like your direction with this series. It’s a very interesting way of looking at things.
Alot of thereos suggest that marika is the jar saint that the hornsent was trying to make. But u suggest she hid and witnessed everything. If thats the case then i think where you find her braid is where she hid, in the tree.
If thats the case then the reason that the Golden Order takes the form of a tree is because she saw the tree in her village as a refuge or the last place that the world made sense, had order in her child mind.
You are by far my favorite channel at the moment. Keep it up. Learning a lot.
Thanks, will do!
Greetings, centered Tarnished. I must say, your insights into the psychological aspects of Elden Ring make perfect sense for me in context to my own journey in processing trauma. I believe that Elden Ring is a greater allegory to the trauma of the collective human conscience rather than the trauma of a single individual such as Merica. I believe that the concept of Merica is closer to that of Sophia. And in the beginning sequence of the cinematic trailer, We see Merica climb the Gates of Divinity and raise a strand of gold. This gold is literally the concept of gold within the human psyche. This is not gold, but money. Money is a form of subjugation to the unconscious desires of the human reptilian brain. And so the Horn Scent, while they traumatized Merica in the literal narrative sense, the practice of stuffing Newman into jars, while Newman are the divine concepts, it is in fact the concept of divinity. And so they would stuff the concept of divinity into jars, mixing it with other things. This is a pagan parable. Just like in pagan traditions, they took concepts of divinity and melded these concepts together with other aspects of the natural world. To where we eventually started worshiping storms and dances and other abstract concepts rather than God as a singular whole or God as a wisdom or wisdom as a means for changing people. This brought man from "eye for an eye" to "turn the other cheek". Unfortunately we have gold with out wisdom thus a system such as capitalism. This is the elden beast and the beast of revelations. The mark of the beast is money. Miquellas plans to make unalloyed gold or tying the principles of wisdom and gold, or in modern terms; equity. Hope this helps. The world is counting on you lol
Elden ring needs to either become a book or a 6 hour long movie
They’re making both anime shorts and a live action adaptation has been rumored and hinted at by George rr Martin
@@damienferguson8151 oh yay, a live action elden ring?! maybe we can get a black radagon! or a gay marika! I can't wait!
@@auto1nfanticid3 eh not too excited for it not gonna lie
I just wish one day they would release the original text that George wrote
Agreed, I doubt any of Soulsborne stories could be improved by moving away from games. Fanfiction is fine, but beyond that is probably a bad idea.
Good video! I had wondered what the basis was for both Mohg and Malenia being winged as they are.
You just gave me very helpful information and made me love my favorite game even more thank you
I hadn't looked that much into psychology after my childhood.
I did go through some excessively rough events growing up.
What you described here, with the fragmenting of the psyche, is precisely what I felt, and experienced in the years while I was still going through the events, all the way until I did, eventually, heal.
Even the different 'characters' involved, I was honestly a bit spooked watching something that I thought I had left in the past come back again...
Fromsoft games are top tier, and elden ring is my overall favorite, for various reasons. I'm not sure I can quite look at it the same again.
I think it can also be looked at as a healing process; our "Tarnished" being our conscious perspective going through the mind and conquering the traumas and various split parts of the self, then taking their "runes" and accepting them as a part of the self and the whole, bringing them to the end to slay the traumatized self desperately trying to control everything and in the end, the conscious perspective and aware self becomes the Lord and governs all, complete. Or we take the flame of frenzy and burn it all to ash. Or we follow Rani and depart into dreams. Or the Dung Eater and become the cause of trauma for others. And so on.
Always so insightful!
Been following your journey here since the beginning and I couldn’t be happier to have found your channel!
Excellent breakdown and a unique perspective on the lore. 🔥
Awesome! Thank you!
This is such great commentary. Thank you for putting in the time to make these videos! This was enlightening both for the game and myself 🥴
Forget the Elden Ring this introspective is a masterpiece
Miquella haters make the worst therapists. His curse is the world's only hope. Miquella cannot age nor mature therefore his hope for saving the world never fades. As we grow we loose hope for humanity seeing problems too grim and morbid to solve.
A child like innocence is the fondation of the confidence to fix the mess our ancestors created. Miquella has that innocence, he has that confidence, his plan for the world is good regardless of how hopeless adults mock him.
Also to address your misunderstanding ; when Miquella divulged his love, it was specifically his love of self that died. He is still clearly able to love Radahn and showing compassion to an entire kingdom clearly communicates love. Saint Trina seeks to protect Miquella from the bondage of being a deity, that is self-love. Miquella had to let go of what was good for himself to obtain the power to serve everyone in his kingdom. Clearly he has sacrificed just as much as his flowers sacrificed to obtain compassion, leading by example.
Another goated Elden ring analysis
This is amazing, can't wait for part 2! I also think that Marika shattering the Elden Ring fits really well with the theme of trauma. I think the Elden Ring itself ("the old circle") represents the cycle of life, how societies rise and fall within the Lands Between. For Marika, who is deeply traumatized by loss, death, and abandonment, a cycle that involves "a fall" is unacceptable. So as the perfectionist mind, she removes Death from her cycle, but it doesn't work out, because by doing that, she is not healing, instead, she is avoiding. So when she breaks the Elden Ring, ultimately she is trying to escape her own trauma cycle.
Bro.. this man just fucking blew my god damn mind.
glad you enjoyed!
I just understood what that horrible and seamingly sensless dispute with my older sister last week was truly about...
Her Malenia is way stronger and more protective than Marikas Malenia... Not even Consort Radahn would stand a chance...
Thank you for connecting all these things!
I can't agree more with this senternce: "happens within psyque"
Yes, that vow never happens, miquella create thst circunstance to justificate his choices and ambitions, including tell everyone that he will create a age of compassion even discarding his love in deep abysm.
He's the epitome of someone who revisits their trauma and doubles down on the defense mechanisms instead of letting their feelings out. He literally straddles the giant intimidating warmonger, he can't do anything by himself. He never grew and prevented him from ever growing by dispossessing himself of his most important feelings
@@allthe1 Miquella haters make the worst therapists. His curse is the world's only hope. Miquella cannot age nor mature therefore his hope for saving the world never fades. As we grow we loose hope for humanity seeing problems too grim and morbid to solve.
A child like innocence is the fondation of the confidence to fix the mess our ancestors created. Miquella has that innocence, he has that confidence, his plan for the world is good regardless of how hopeless adults mock him.
Also to address your misunderstanding ; when Miquella divulged his love, it was specifically his love of self that died. He is still clearly able to love Radahn and showing compassion to an entire kingdom clearly communicates love. Saint Trina seeks to protect Miquella from the bondage of being a deity, that is self-love. Miquella had to let go of what was good for himself to obtain the power to serve everyone in his kingdom. Clearly he has sacrificed just as much as his flowers sacrificed to obtain compassion, leading by example.
@@crew_the3rd Miquella hater, huh? It's just a theory, dude. I don't misunderstand anything, it's all left to interpretation.
@@crew_the3rd Even if I disagree with your take, I think you made it clear your opinions are not open for discussion.
I wanted to thank you for making this video and show appreciation for the approach you take on Elden Ring's lore. Also, thank you for mentioning the books, too. As someone who is in the middle of their healing process I am always looking for information to better understand trauma, the psyche, and myself more. I also use this information to help inspire the stories I write. So, watching this has done more for me than simply being entertained for 25 minutes. I can't wait for the next one!
@@EmeraldKoi thank you for the kind words. I am so glad you could find something more out of this this video. And hopefully people will appreciate Marika’s story more as well. Much love
I'm calling it. This series is going to be what "An Agony of Effort" was to bloodborne.
Man, you're presentation has really improved in this video. Keep making these and I am sure you will soon get the attention you deserve.
This is such a fantastic framing of the core of the story. Embodying childhood trauma through mythos and alchemy, all held together by the embodied shattered pysche of Marika that is the Elden Ring. I can't wait for more videos this feels like a big puzzle piece that clicked very neatly into place.
I'm starting to understand all the changes Myazaki did to the base game and dlc along production. Elden ring story was supposed to be more direct. They all seemed random choices, but now i feel he wanted to give Elden Ring the atmosphere of us basically travelling inside the traumatized mind of a god.
I love the fact this is not a "the game is a methafor" but the fact that a normal girl ascended to godhod made her inner world be reflected in the world itself.
To watch this feels so enlightening.
You put all those seemingly lose parts of the lore in a bigger meaningful picture.
Thank you! :)
This is a fascinating angle to approach the lore from and I agree that it's the missing piece we've been looking for.
That said, on the literal side of things, I was curious if you've heard the theories of late that the true trauma Marika experienced was being turned into a jar saint herself. It seems a little odd that she would just randomly be the only one left, and the Hornsent npc and Empyrean Grandam mention a "betrayal" by Marika specifically, but you can only betray someone you used to trust. I think there's a very real possibility that Marika's entire village, including herself, were butchered and forced into jars, but she actually transcended and became a deity for the hornsent. There are theories as to how she eventually formed her plan for revenge, but I'm a personal fan of the theory that she lost her memories due to the trauma of the experience but later read about the practice and upon realizing the truth of her existence decided to tear down the society that raised and venerated her. After this point she interacts with/builds the divine gateway and from this the golden order is born, and only after this does she then go back to her village of birth to plant the minor erdtree as sort of a funeral rite for the people she had forgotten, even though they're long gone. Part of this plan later involves sealing Messmer in the land of shadow and commanding him to massacre the hornsent.
I could go on, there are so many interesting details to piece together, particularly when trying to establish a clear timeline, but I wonder if this affects your theory at all since I think her trauma is not one of watching something happen but the trauma of it actually happening *to* her.
In either case, this is about to be one of the best video series I've ever seen, of that I'm sure.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I actually made a video on Marika is a Jar God - you might like it!
@@CenteredTarnished oh shoot, I will definitely be checking it out in that case
Love your interpretation of this game and story! You're focusing on the big picture of what this game is trying to show us and that is a breath of fresh air
Love the work you've been doing, very excited to continue this journey with you! Thank you for your insights 🍻
Reintegration of traumatized fragmented will not result in the restoration of the original pre-trauma self but a psyche that accepts horrible things exist within the world and takes steps to prevent them from happening to them and their loved ones again. Thus I believe Marika as we know her isn't a victim still in a fragmented state but the integrated psyche decided to become a ruthless and unbending force of nature that will do anything o maintain the power she need to be safe.
This would make our tarnished player character a therapist or an psychoanalyst embedded in a, journey to the analysand's past. The journey we undertake is strictly connected with metamorphosis. We may become the consort of the broken subject which is marika, , or we may serve another i have agent. Of their psyche, which is ranni. The split off shadow. There is anger and denial, which radanh embodies. There is reaction formation which malenia represents. Then there is reparative anxiety which allows for loss to inform the Self of what it truky is, in a character of Millicent.
All the demons of the unconscious have come out and play. Most characters we encounter are mere shadows, partial objects representing the projected bad parts of the motherly object, always on their way without ceasing. Tale a, look at, the hollow graceless warriors that, always respawn ad infinitum. The respawnable enemies are just like repeating symbols in a dreary dream, split off from an uncomfortable land of whatever trauma was experienced before.
And what of shabriri?
Frenzied flame ending to basically the regression into a pre splitting - pre reason stage by a psyche that is unable to tolerate partial objects, aka, parts of itself or zonternalized aspects of characters and attitudes as either bad or good, but at the same time are unable to tolerate the suffering of ambiguity ( as melina says, but yet life continues, there are still births, there is still joy) not by coming out against ambiguity but by undoing and ego regression to a stage before ego formation and before differentiation. Which is even more so. A gesture of supreme narcissism because the motivation is saving of the only good object i.e. fingermainden AND bringing to a state where the only good object, knocked outside itself, can be saved for a while. Shabriri says it voice line "burn the erdtree to the ground and incinerate all that divides and distinguishes".
Also interesting is the prospect of enriching your anima to a part of the madness that slowly turns it into Shadow. Ba at first you are guided by Melina then you give yourself over to hyeta as a substitute for melina who ends up becoming a half-blind guide for you
Wow! Very insightful
@@CenteredTarnished a, lot of that insight was spurred by the first two minutes of your video. I have been harboring those thoughts for months but couldn't really articulate them. Now I know why i have been so drawn to the shabriri ending. I used to be a commie, too. This all adds up, distinctions and shades of gray, inability to repair everything in the psyche, it's a bitch.
Is there a way i could help contribute to the interpretation lore and chime in? I have perspectives from kleinian, Freudian and lacanian psychoanalysis to offer. In philosophy, kierkegaard, schopenhauer and nietzsche are my fortes, and I am am getting acquainted with basics to f psychiatry, too, and have found a reflection of the concepts such as splitting and complexes in psychiatric diagnoses as well.
I'd be really happy to contribute in the brainstorming
@@theoryismypraxis3538 join the discord!! I would love to have you share your thoughts there
Excellent work! I am so on board, and I love that someone really wants to tackle this difficult angle
I've seen theories of late that Nietzsche's insanity was not caused by syphilis but rather his descent into the metaphysics of divinity and preparing future generations in how to approach those metaphysics.
Saying that I hope you get into the "parasitic" symbolism in the game. Lol, I love the spiral statue in Enir Ilim of the two people being "embraced" by a worm. Fucking horrifying
Marika wasn't merely a witness to the atrocities of her people. She just survived what destroyed everyone else. There's no way she could've made it out whole.
Outstanding work. I was immediately reminded of how Twin Peaks depicts trauma and the fracturing of psyche. I Wonder if you are familiar with the series.
Elden Ring is the 2003 movie Identity... All jokes aside I was thinking about this when everyone was obsessing about the shape of the map and it looked like a saggital brain scan.
The map is a fetus in a womb, IMO. it fits the narrative too well
You just blew my mind. That’s awesome!
Glad you liked it!
Great video! Thank you for starting this series and ill be watching out for new videos because you coming to a conclusion that ive had for a long time now. All of the "demigods" are fractured parts of Merika and that Radagon was created at the same time....Also that the elden ring resembles inner peace and the complete self. Part of it is missing so inner peace is incomplete. When the rune of death was sealed away for whatever reason it never cease to exist but was fractured from perceived reality.
Again, great video! absolutely will be watching more. thanks again.
I wondered if that is what is meant by the lands between. It is the place where the inner self and the outer world connect.
Just starting the vid and I’m so glad the first thing being referenced is Nietzsche. Radahn and Miquella represent the three metamorphoses almost perfectly. Excited to see what you got to say.
The theory makes Elden Ring's lore to go on with infinite possibilities
Love the video. Just subbed. I wanted to start making videos myself, pertaining to the psychology of the game. I was inspired by a talk Smoughtown had with another creator months ago but never followed up with it. Probably due to my own trauma giving me that "Paralysis of Initiation".
The idea was about how the Shadow-Bound Beasts related to the Shadow that Jung talked about. It seems very reminiscent of what you describe in this video, about cast off parts of oneself. The possible complication seems to be that, in game lore at least infers if not outright states that the Shadow-Bound Beasts are not wholly from the Empyrean, yet they are a part that is pulled from them and implanted into a compatible vessel, hence the wish of one man to become Marika's SBB.
I would think that if this man had this wish and he wasn't completely delusional, it would suggest that it would be akin to a modern person who would possibly wish to be the assistant to a celebrity, something that while not a destiny that all can have, would be commonplace and well known. That suggests that there would have to be something that made them compatible. Also, that the SBB's would also have their own lives before their transformation.
I'm not sure where to go from there. Codependence perhaps. I don't plan on making any videos any time soon. Perhaps you could puzzle this out, in your free time and at least give your thoughts as an aside in a video, if not a full one itself.
Keep up the good work. Gotta binge-watch the rest of your stuff. Cheers!
You are right it strat making sense. “I was born at the foot of the Erdtree “ ( Melina ) Once Marika call upon a greater will and became one with/ or created the Elden ring her inner personalities became her “children” Melina Messmer Malenia Miquella and Radagon as her other half. Am I reading it right or am I tripping?
The Gate of Divinity resembles ancient Egyptian symbol - Djew.
From some site:
Djew
Which means mountain, the symbol suggests two peaks with the Nile valley in the middle. The Egyptians believed that there was a cosmic mountain range that held up the heavens. This mountain range had two peaks, the western peak was called Manu, while the eastern peak was called Bakhu. It was on these peaks that heaven rested. Each peak of this mountain chain was guarded by a lion deity, who's job it was to protect the sun as it rose and set. The mountain was also a symbol of the tomb and the afterlife, probably because most Egyptian tombs were located in the mountainous land bordering the Nile valley. In some texts we find Anubis, the gaurdian of the tomb being referred to as "He who is upon his mountain." Sometimes we find Hathor takeing on the attributes of a deity of the afterlife, at this time she is called "Mistress of the Necropolis." She is rendered as the head of a cow protruding from a mountainside.
Topic hits home. Very interesting, not just because of the Game. But maybe all that familiär topic in the Game is what makes me love it so much. XD 👍
Marika is Sasuke! O.o kkkk
Man. Got me considering my own childhood.
Some popular quotes of Nietzsche tell the story of the Frenzied Flame; "Without music, life would be a mistake." "You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star." "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Whoever fights monsters (Trying to understand/control the FF) should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. (Ruin by the FF) And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." (The Lord of Chaos will annihilate everything and there will be no more births) "Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." -Friedrich Nietzsche
Hey @TheCenteredTarnished Is there gonna be a part 2??
This is so good
Thank you!
What if the Inner child is also equivalent to those trapped into jars to become saints. What if Marikas Children are just sheds part of herself as a Saint. An accumulation of many people and parts?
Man I wish I could sub twice, you’re on point. Tell me you got a discord or something I got ideas I’d love to throw at ya. Definitely looking for part 2
I do! Link is on the main page of my channel.
24:41 "...A Horned God, that is a Shamanic Shapeshifter..." Who do we know that fits that particular description? I have a theory on that one.😏
Marika= Logan Roy
Ranni = Shiv
Blaidd = Tom
Godwyn = Kendal
Radagon = Caroline
Rykard = Roman / Gregg
Morgott = Connor / Kendall
Mohg = Roman
Godfrey = Marcia
Renalla = Connor's mom
Miquella = Connor
GEQ = the drowned waiter
Midra = Uncle Ewen
Messmer = Connor
Melina = Gerri
As goldmask understands, humanity Is the "faulty" side of the God of the Golden order era
Yeah, I’m willing to be convinced that Marika was indeed subjected to becoming a pot. I’m starting to become more convinced that Godfrey’s banishment was due to his refusal to go to war one last time. His personal religious beliefs would have been more in-line with Hornsent culture, than The Golden Order. I’m also willing to entertain that the only demigods NOT produced by a Marika/Radagon pairing are Godwin and The Omen Twins.
I hope part 1 comes out soon
Can’t wait to take in all this knowledge! Ima explode 😵
he cooked.
thank you for the amazing work and research
"This place is called the imaginal matrix between two worlds" 22:00. So what you're saying is that this place is The Lands Between the inner world of the psyche and the outer world of reality, a place where the world of trauma and healing takes place?
In the words of my generation... Woah
I'm glad you picked that up:) That's the topic of my next video. Well done!
Top stuff man
Great video, definitely subbing lol
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This might sound now stupid but it means Elden Ring is self applied therapy in form of a game medium, that allows us to see how the journey of it looks like. We start shattered, fragmented then piece by piece we find our true self. In other words there is only Greater Will and Marika in this game. All people are fragments of Marika psyche with their own properties. Even us - Tarnished represent that one splinter of Marika consciousness that has free will or carte blanc. We are witnessing self healing of Marika subconsciousness.
Ok i might got that analogy too far but if i look at this game from this perspective every aspect of this game makes sense for me. All the personas, races, conflict, traumas, struggle itself while obviously dying, frustration that accompanies it etc. Thanks for this video this opened can of worms for me. Does through this game Hidetaka Miyazaki wanted to undergo self healing therapy.... To visualize his own inner journey, or he wanted to give us this tool - game to undergo it collectively. Ofc considering we would understand such idea to begin with and not see this as just pure entertainment. But as this video shows quite a few ppl might look at this magnum opus from this side. We will never learn, but for me personally this game suddenly took unexpected very metaphysical meaning. Not just fancy theory crafting and game to play, but a symbol of inner struggle that EXISTS WITIN ALL OF US.
So, what is Godwyn? The regression of the trauma itself through repetition of said trauma?
kind of hard to explain here, but I believe he represent Marika’s ego as a whole. when he “dies” she undergoes ego death and something new is reborn
I think Marika was blind, maybe as a consequence of some of the torture inflicted to her people, we never see her eyes after all
The splitting of different parts of her own is obvious (like radagon) , but it's very unsure if the children are manifested in a way of consciousness and an active action or "just" in a more passive biological inheritanced way?
And under this point of view - what does Melina refer? The hope of a new beginning?
Stay tuned for the next few videos where I will dive into each character!
what do you mean two days ago? I want the full series now damnit
writing the next script now!
Serious Redgrave vibes with your latest content, keep it up.
Please can you do a video on the giant statue on top of the chapel of anticipation where we start the game at I’m wondering if it was possibly supposed to represent us because there are not other statues like it and it looks like a tree sentinel kinda but something is special about it I’m thinking we were possibly a son/daughter of Merika and Godfrey and possibly ever a very high ranking tarnished among Godfrey’s soldiers and I think the chapel of anticipation is where we were buried alongside some fellow tarnished via the grave yard outside our burial site something is fishy here for sure
There is a theological hypothesis that the being known to us God may have created the world, and us, in order for themselves to understand the only things that escapes their otherwise omniscience. That is, the experience, and overcoming, of loss. What can a being like God know of loss?
This is pretty much my belief of reality. All life is a piece of God created and evolved to simply experience reality.
Great video, well done! I have seen your content before and I didn't quite buy it as it seemed a bit far fetched and too academically abstract. But this one is very onpoint, very concise and relevant that makes a lot more sense after the DLC came out. Keep them coming :)
Awesome, thank you!
Wow, I like this a lot, kudos to you, Miyazaki, and Martin. But what is the Tarnished supposed to be? Electro-shock therapy??
The only issue with this is that I have to wait for part 2
kinda like a fractal no? no matter the scale, the same patterns emerge
So all the demi gods(excluding Carians?)are different are different aspects of Marika’s shattered psyche?
Book author seems to think everyone reacts the same to trauma, but that obviously isn't the case, and hearing them speak so authoritatively and flowery on this makes me laugh at the wrongness.
The game might very well be based on Jungian ideas, and it works well for narrative fiction, but man, I am so tired of stuff based on his crusty, outdated ideas. The field of psychology has moved far forward and beyond unfalsifiable symbolism lol.
This all makes a lot of sense but what about the other twin Margot. Like I can see the parallels between him and Mogh but hiw does he relate to Miquella and Melania
Stay tuned!
@@CenteredTarnished ohhh you better deliver, your content is great. Love the exploration of Neitzsche, it's something I often think about though I'm not a Neitzchian or whatever (like I've only read zarathustra/ more familiar with his philosophy rather than psychology ) but the connections are so there. The game is so blanetly Neitzchian and Jungian, we gets lots of Jung through all the alchemy talk.
All that to say you are doing great work and I look further to you further explorations and I'll restate what has already been stated by many other.
Psychology is but one aspect of the story telling, aswell as mythology/religion, alchemy, botany, historical.
Of course there is a ton of interplay between all these things and I'm well and sure you know all this.
Again great stuff, and now I just need a botanist to get really into the lore and content creation lol
@@CenteredTarnished oh and Serosh is the Divine Lion, I will not elaborate but you heard it here first
wtf this video let me embrace my inner child trauma now im a ubermensch???
"Midra looses his wife and child.." Wait, what? I haven't heard or seen anything that would hint about this being the case.
Nanaya, the lady of the manse, is visibly pregnant in her portrait. Since we have no evidence of a child anywhere, a prevailing theory is that Nanaya's Torch is the spinal cord of the deceased child, since it's described as a "small spinal column".
This however can be disputed by the fact that this "Feeble Lord" as the game calls him, was from "a distant land in an age long past". The more popular theory is that it belongs to the man Nanaya tried to make into the Lord of Frenzy before Midra.
It goes even deeper... The torch / the back spine she's holding are the remains of the child failed to become lord of frenzy flame.
Edit: sorry got not the full view of comment above. It's already said.
@@normanbates7373 I feel as though while I believe the latter theory and have seen it more often, the lack of evidence of the child being anywhere is very compelling for the theory that the torch is it's spinal column
@@KaliTakumi if it's more depressing it's more likely to be canon in these games ;)
Maybe this item description is more metaphorically ment from their perspective of dispair and displacement as a couple that lost their child.. The setting, the painting, the environment and the total outcome for these 2 npc fits more in the twisted view then just this... Someone, long away, long ago... I'm not very sure, but it would not be the first case of a description being cryptic
Or it's even more abstract meta mindfuck - this man in the description is YOU that burned himself to the frenzy in the giants forge - u died there while u also land in farum azula ( due to spacetime fantasy magic) to become lord of frenzy later in your own pocket dimension after farum azula, but on the other side someone looted ya smoldering back spine and gifted it to nanaya
(BTW nanaya, a " Mesopotamian goddess of love closely associated with Inanna, goddess of fertility")
Miquella is the best option for the Lands Between. Formsoft characters are never 100% moral, nor innocent, nor perfect. But Miquella is the closest thing to a good ruler that has ever been offered to the Lands Between. His methods are the most reasonable compared to the wrath, hatred, prejudice, and blood lust of all other rulers. Including us, the tarnished, we are the bad guys in this war too, our path would destroy the Lands' only hope for lasting compassionate peace.
Miquella's great rune charm is an overall positive power. The charm helps people let go of the evil within; if someone wanted revenge they can now settle for forgiveness, if someone was prejudice they can now tolerate others, and if someone had lust for blood shed they can now seek love. Miquella brought out the best version of each person, gave them love, and gave them hope.
During our fight we had the power to resist Miquella's charm and so do many other characters like Messmer. There still is a choice to reject Miquella but 99% of people will be more attracted to what he offers than what they currently have, most people will agree with Miquella, because what he offers is valuable to them. Haters try to simply this process to simple brainwashing but it is not that crude nor sinister.
Mohg wanted Miquella to bring the mother of blood dynasty, Miquella offered him something better. To assume that Mohg is innocent of kidnapping Miquella is a not necessarily. Two things can be true, at the same time, with these complex characters. Mohg was all about blood sacrifices so it's possible that he is ok with helping Miquella in this way, to be the vessel of Radahn's spirit, this is not a tragic end.
Radahn was a proud and powerful warrior. By his standards he could not simply die, he had to die in glorious battle. Miquella tried to satisfy this honor by asking Malenia to go to war with Radahn, they were both too powerful for each other, so stalemate persisted until the tarnished rose.
Miquella then sent Melina to persuade a tarnished to help in his plans. Most of the work had been done my Malenia and we come to finish off Radahn in honorable battle.
Long ago Radahn promised to be lord and consort to Miquella. The reign of Miquella has all the good aspects of the Golden Order but with out the shunning of the graceless. Miquella extends grace and blessing to all in the Lands. Radahn would find it easy to support Miquella's Order because it is just a better version of the Golden Order. His loyalty would remain. consistent.
Haters of Miquella will see these events in a sinister filter, this is unreasonable because there is a more honorable way to except what Miquella planned. Each one of these characters have good reasons to give Miquella a chance, the Charm helps but it's a positive help, not sinister.
When Miquella divulged his love, it was specifically his love of self that died. He is still clearly able to love Radahn and showing compassion to an entire kingdom clearly communicates love. Saint Trina seeks to protect Miquella from the bondage of being a deity, that is self-love. Miquella had to let go of what was good for himself to obtain the power to serve everyone in his kingdom. Clearly he has sacrificed just as much as his flowers sacrificed to obtain compassion, leading by example.
06:02 was that a jar?
Dude.... You're gonna make my psychoanalyst unemployed....
Is the hand in the cocoon really Miquella? It doesn't look young. An Eternal curse of youth should be Eternal, no?
As a Miquella lover, this just increased my sadness over how the DLC treated his character, and I hope this series helps me make some sense as to why, why has the inner child been turned into a mirror of the narcissistic mind?
Also, I can't wait to see Ranni's video, and how her ending being the apparent golden ending seems to represent the detachment complex winning the inner conflict by default and abandoning the broken psyque as it is
Because children are narcissists and sociopaths until they are taught how to function independently. The whole inner child premise hinges on children being innocent angelic beings, but that is not reality, it is an adult's distant idealization of what a child is in their natural state. The psychological line of thinking is crucial to understanding Miquella's storyline, but I doubt there will be much insight into why he failed, because that would require a rejection of Jungian psychology and that's not what this channel is about.
Skibbidy trauma
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Please add a voiceover for the text. I’m sure I’m not alone in listening to your videos while doing other things & most don’t want to read a wall of text when playing videos.
N-word journey?!