Genesis Coupe 3.8 vs 2.0t!
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Today I'm going to tell you guys what made me choose the genesis coupe 3.8 over the 2.0t!
The 2.0t is definitely an awesome car but in my opinion the 3.8 is the way to go!
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The issue is finding a used 3.8 they're so freaking rare in Canada. Because the owners won't sell em
I got on and I got a pretty sweet deal on it
I'll sell you my 2016 for payoff.... and you have to figure out how to get it from Florida to Canada 🤷♂️... I'm going to trade it in on a 2021 400Z
Oh it has 44k miles on it (and I owe 14.5k)
@@mattgonzalez4457 Holy crap that's better than the one I found for 11,998 CAD! And it has one 92,000kms. The main issue is border fee's y'all charge too much! XD
So true I’m keeping mine til it wont run anymore. It’s my baby.
So great to see a lot of people still following the genesis and people like you doing videos and owning a genesis. I really want to start vlogging and doing videos with my genesis. Just all kinds of stuff with it and my friends cars. You encourage me!
Bruh this guy is coming a long way.. so proud of you man.
That means a lot bro seriously! Its crazy to think how far things have already come its honestly mind blowing lmao. Once again thank you so much for supporting!
The 3.8 may not be turbo charged but it is a GDI engine which works similar to a turbo except instead of ramming more air into the engine on a GDI engine it’s directly spraying gas into the cylinders instead of going on to the intake valves to get more power. It’s a lot of pressure.
I love that you listened to the comments and bought some wheels. Can’t wait to see them! Keep up the good work man, feel like this channel is going places for sure. Btw, got a 2.0T, and no boost leaks yet 😅
I have a 2013 2.0T it has over 120K on it and it drives just like new all stock even the clutch I just do the regular maintenance its been a great car just wish they would make a new one call it a N coupe GT. I love the Veloster but we need a new 2dr coupe.
Gt70 bruh. N name is for Hyundai.
Gt70? 😆 this is a Genesis model, not brand/make. I completely agree with you Cindy Sue-- 2dr RWD MT - N with their new 2.5t and maybe 3.5t too would b pretty awesome
Take a shot everytime he says 2.0t
I'm in the hospital thanks
3.8 BK
Just take 24 shots😭😭😭😭😒😂😂😂😂😂
Take another every time he says sounds like a gtr
You're spot on regarding the sound. All I added is a Magnaflow cat-back and it sounds great to my ears.
Love the content, keep up the work. Best 3.8 Gen Coupe youtuber
Love my 3.8 it has now over 150,000 miles and still running strong and proud.
Nice to see another 3.8 bk2 guy on youtube. Your making me wanna start making videos more for my channel
3.8 GDI engine is know for carbon buildup on the intake valves. Or any GDI engine in general. The 2.0T theta is non GDI and more aftermarket support. I currently have 190k on my 2.0T Rspec and it’s still running strong. But the 3.8 exhaust note does sound good.
Ya that's why I'm glad I bought the 2010 3.8 coupe, dont have to worry as much about build buildup cause it's port injection not GDI
glad i ran into your comment. i was wondering if it could last close to 190k miles because everywhere else just says at least 100k
amiss calvin I’m currently at 191k. Original everything, non-modified, and running like a champ! Still get 26-27mpg.
@@sophenlen6665 did you ever have to replace the turbo?
I love the 2.0T just because of the turbo sounds. I have a cold air intake on mine so you can hear the turbo sounds very well.
Quick little pull... can’t help maaaself😂😂 love the channel man keep it up
I prefer NA cars. Everything is turboed these days
You’ve been doing great man. 👍 I’ve been around since before 1k subscribes.
Really enjoy these
oh man we gotta get you to 2k you are so close
Your Gen coupe starting to look good and sound good! Get them Oil catch can and a diffuser! :D
Thank you for this bro! I'm going today to look at 2.0t and a 3.8 and was already leaning towards the 3.8, this came much more helpful!!
Did it turn out more reliable or is it not so reliable just curious cause I’m thinking of buying a genisis coupe if you do answer thank u
@xxgamerpug24xxgamer39 honestly the one that I went to look at was in terrible condition, someone had test drove and turned it down about 30 min before I got there and there was coolant sprayed everywhere under the hood! I've heard nothing but good about them from friends that have them tho! Same day I found a c6 corvette and knew I was going to buy it on the test drive, and that's kept up with the BS I put it through everyday since haha
I needed this I’ll be getting one soon 🤘🏾
Congrats on 3000!! Hey man, also I’m looking at getting a genesis and Im leaning towards a 3.8 but I’ve heard they have ringland failure so I’m not sure, what are your takes?
Thanks man! Ive not really heard much about that problem honestly, from everything ive heard they are really reliable as long as you take car of the car! But id definitely go for a 3.8 over the 2.0 in my opinion
Congrats on 2k brodie
🎉🍾
Thanks bro!
That donut in the lot sounded brutal. I've wanted a 3.8 since I started watching your videos, bro.
Helped me out a lot
Because a 3.8 is for a grown man... that's why 😂
@Periscope Truez I respectfully disagree with your theory.... I'm happy to line up with you if you want 🤷♂️
@Periscope Truez I'm just talking 💩🤣... the upgrades are stupid expensive on my 3.8 but I still wouldn't have the 2.0 over mine 🤷♂️ I love my Genny coupe. Bought it the final month of the final year (2016) and they had that car worked out fully at that point. I've never kept a car longer
You know, before I owned a turbocharged car I felt just like that. I was all about N/A purity and sound, but after getting it I can’t look back. Idk what it is about them, but it makes you kind of feel like you’re driving a spaceship.
Sounds like you love low end torque. That’s fine, I prefer a car that pulls up high.
Got a 5.0 g80 and I love it✊🏾
Love the car man💪🏼
Bruh u going hard fam
Love ur car man I got the 2010 3.8 genesis coupe and I love it
2010 model is so smooth looks so much better imo
Great video! I have a 3.8 2015 genesis coupe as well and that is the exact same reason why I chose a 3.8 over a 2.0t smart decision 😄
i want one i just don’t like steering wheels with buttons cuz i wanna swap it out and don’t wanna feel like i’m missing out on something
Got a 2013 Genesis sedan 3.8. It runs good for a bone stock sedan. Been a good car so far.
@ethanW forget what i said. its really hard to find Headers. most are either sold out or questioning if they fit my 2015 BK2
Thinking of a getting a 3.8 , subscribed just Incase I do
0:12 I think if you filled the hole use with dirt or gravel it will be fixed
quick taste test we already had two spoon full. 😂love that car!
I respect the black ice choice 👌🏼
Totally agree with you about the 3.8. Love that mine is a monster out of the box. I so much want mine to sound like yours. What did you do to the exhaust?
In this video I had the ISR Race Exhaust and Depo Test pipes installed! Its a crazy loud setup!
Thank you
Howeverrrrr, a tune alone on a 2.0t will get you 300whp. Which is 10hp more than the 3.8 puts to the wheels, plus it’s lighter :p but I love your 3.8 and would like to drive one to see the difference
Same
Keep up the good work I have a 2011 Genesis 3.8 with over 200,000 miles on it runs great
I have a little 03 civic lx with 300,000 miles 😭
@@PeaceNinja007 incredible you pushed it that far!! good job keeping up on maintenance
OfficialAustenMorpho - Yea and it’s still running perfectly :) Drive it up and down steep hills everyday to work :)
Peace Ninja thats awesome my man, respect!!!
Damn nice. This speaks reliability.
Im getting this as my first car but I’m leaning towards a 2.0 because its cheaper on gas. Would buying a 2.0 save money?
Once you feel boost you cant go back to NA GREAT VIDEO keep it up
What exhaust do you have on your genesis? Sounds amazing 🔥🥵
ISR Race Exhaust!
Yo my dude mind telling me where u bought both spoilers the tail lights and the exhaust, just bought my 3.8 as well and I really like the way yours look.
Tail lights are spec d lights and spoiler is just the spoiler you can get at the dealership I think
3.8 costs 3-4K more but for 300 dollars get a tune on the 2t and it’s already comparable to the 3.8 and more torque lol
But who wants to hear a ricer 2.0 engine everyday?? 🤮
@@YoungSperm do me a favor go check out this gen th-cam.com/video/hpTEBGtXiZ0/w-d-xo.html
imagine washing your car and then going through the driveway and getting dirty at the end of night 😭 can’t do nun but shit nice whip 💯
since you own an automatic do you think you can turbocharge it? (new to cars)
To Everyone who wants this car please don’t use “It sounds like a GTR” as a buying point because when you hear a real gtr you’ll regret it and you shouldn’t be know as the guy who thinks his car sounds like a GTR. Me personally I’d go with the 2.0t for the simple fact as it’s tunable and you can build it without having to buy a whole turbo kit plus the 3.8 genesis , Infinity and Lexus Is250/350 all sound about the same also if you guys didn’t know the 2.0t genesis has the same engine as the Lancer Rally Art (Evo) it’s just detuned soooo weight your options .. do you wanna “sound like a gtr” or be able to cheaply build and keep up with one 🤔
this guy fucks^
Yo that’s dope af
Test drove them both and quite frankly the 3.8 was a boring drive compared to the 2.0t.
also this was a good video but it should NOT cost you 1,500 to tune your 2.0t up to the standards of a stock 3.8. ive heard numbers quoting 300-800 but thats just what ive heard.
What radio did you put to your genesis ?
i plan on saving up for a 3.8 and just trading with my brother here and there since he has a 2.0t and its absolutely fun and sounds way too good
5:50 Please tell me the exhaust system of this vehicle. The exhaust sound of your vehicle is so beautiful.
I had the BK1 2.0 6mt and that thing was a DOGGGGGGGG, then got a S60 R Design that was a transversed Straight 6 with a Turbo wasn't a dog but still wasn't quick for what it was. Then came the BK2 3.8. I have never loved a car more besides my BK1. Glad I went with the N/A route
While you got your 3.8 you should have gotten the 6 speed. You would have enjoyed your car a whole lot more. The car is fun but the 6 speed is where it's at. Thanks for the video and reasons. Looking forward to getting mine soon
Agreed the Manuel is so much better it's like your in control of the car that's what I love bout manuals
I have a 2016 3.8. I used to drive an old 2001 or 2002 mitsubishi mirage to school everyday. My mirage used to break down all the time, so I needed a new car (not with my own money at the time). It has been three years now, and I have 55,000 miles on the genesis. It is entirely stock. Everything sucks right now because I graduated with my bachelor's in December 2018, did an internship last Summer in the bay area, which was the most amazing thing ever, and two contract jobs. Ever since, I have no job and I am not making money, while trying to get youtube videos going, which is hardly going well. I don't get views and I don't see how anyone gets to 1,000 subscribers fast unless you are Riley Simpson. I contacted turbokits a few months ago and a company in my city that said they could install the kit and any other mods. I don't care too much about aesthetics. I only need a Duckbill and a good set of machine lip wheels, and I have already made a list f everything while I spent a month or two researching about cars for some reason during quarantine. The problem now is I have no steady income, and here I am going to spend money at a spiritual doctor tomorrow with my long term health problems. All of this is happening during the apocalypse. I just feel as though I have accomplished nothing in this life. I want to be able to cruise around in a 450+ whp Genesis coupe making pops and recording a pov. There not many good genesis pov videos at all other than this channel. I can't imagine how much of a difference that whp is. The mirage I used to drive was low 100s horsepower, and when I stepped into the Genesis 3.8 at 348 hp, it blew my mind. I have driven it so much that it feels like an old car again, so I definitely need a tune. The car is too quiet and does not respond well. I need turbo, ecu, wheels, etc. Hopefully I can do it someday. Everything feels hopeless.
You will for sure be able to build your genesis exactly how you want it one day! Nothing is hopeless man you can get through it I promise! It may sound cliche but seriously keep grinding and take it one step at a time you've got this! I will always be here if you have any questions or anything man!
What about a Genesis Coupe 2.0t supercharged? How much Hp does that get.?
I prefer the 2.0t . Obviously it doesnt come with much power from off the jump specially mine its a bk1 probably makes only 190whp but I can obviously build my car from the ground up. $8k my bk1 is making 405whp 315wtq with a Tomei mx7960. By the way it doesnt take 1500 to get it faster than the 3.8 it takes $500 for the stage 2 canned tuned. Which comes with pops and crackled and launch control. Worth the money. Dont get me wrong 3.8 are great if you dont plan on modding your car my gf drives a 2016 3.8 ultimate.
you think this car would be a great first car? Currently 16 and working a part time and putting most into savings.! any tips on cars would help bro. you’ve came a long way 🙏🏽
Id say it would be a great first car! If possible id try to find one with a warranty still! Thanks for supporting bro!
Hello, a question, are you going to leave the color silver or are you going to paint it in another color, for example red? regards
For now im going to leave it silver, I definitely want to wrap it at some point just not sure what color
Love my 3.8. Stage 3 manifolds for $950 and a tune puts these bad boys at at 330-340 whp no other mods. Get one if you can swing it!
Had the 2013 2.0R at the time wanted to mod, then found out the exhaust and turbo manifold were one piece, not to mention the plastic intake runners, turned out to expensive, wish I had got the 3.8R
I know your comment has one year but i was considering buying 2.0 and modding. Whats the issue with them being one piece?
@@hathatplusi to much trouble to upgrade the turbo ,the 2011 had a two piece exhaust manifold, not to mention the intake manifold has plastic runners (two of the four) on the 2013 and at the time just wasn't worth it, early ones you could use evo upgrades, besides Seoul'ful racing and blood type racing (BTR) were to far away
I’ve been here since 800 subscribers. Good job man👌🏻
Thank you so much for the continued support man!
I wanna enjoy the sound. But he never pushes it to second gear. I need to hear it all man. Sell me on it😭
Straight up 👌
Hey man you should improve the handling of the genesis get sway bars!!
Stock g37s 2013 coupe vs stock genesis bk2 which is faster I’m stuck on deciding which to buy my cousin is getting a g37 as well I was thinking of getting genesis can it compete? I want to beat him
bk2 if 3.8
Do you ever drive around using the paddles? Honestly it gives you a way better experience and u can hear it rev out way better
Yea I do sometimes but for the most part I leave it it sport mode
im so lost how do i get one with padle shifters
Let's hit that 2k mark!!!!!!! 1 mil coming soon
Btw.... Do you have a catch can yet? $30 on Ebay :)
Seriously bro thank you so much for supporting, it means more than you know! And I actually do have a catch can sitting right here next to me, just need to figure out how to install it lmao
do those tail lights come factory or are they custom ?
Spec D taillights
The day I can afford to throw down about 8k to 10k I can own my dream car. Been eyeballing a silver 3.8 or a white 3.8 all with 20k miles or less. Congratulations though!! You're coming a long way but well worth it! And the genny is looking spectacular thus far👌
ive noticed a lot of people have a problem with the white genesis clear coat pealing
@@ryanhuncho1312 ohh really? Thank you for the heads up! I love how clean white does look, but I appreciate the silver looking awesome with black accents.
Ally Lucas yea no problem I have a white bk2 and the peeling got pretty bad on the front bumper and was starting to get the same problem with the rear other wise the white is a nice color to go with
10k? These aren't worth 10k. You should not be spending more than $6k on one of these.
Matt Evans where are looking at?!
What exhaust setup hoy have in this video
You came along way man. I have a 2013 2.0t. When i was fbo custom dyno tuned i made 305whp 348tq to the wheels. Ran 13.2@106 quarter. Now i have 411whp with a tomei mx7960 turbo with meth and mxp manifold. Runs deep 12s now. I also have 84k miles on my engine abused with over 400 horsepower.
Didn't spend that much money either
What ecu r u using
@@2538159408 tuned on stock ECU.
@@2538159408 mine is automatic. I have the TCU tune as well. Rev limit now 7k and wont automatically upshift in sport mode.
your car made 411 through the auto?
Where did you get your turbo from I own a 2014 2.0T and after my tune my tuner says I'll have about the same as your tube before the turbo upgrade
It actually takes $750 to make a stock 2.0T faster than the 3.8. All you need is a stage 1 tune from BTR. Also, the 2.0T is 300lbs lighter. I have $2000 in performance mods on my 2.0T and I make 318whp and 362wtq including 300 lbs less weight than a 3.8. I walk 3.8's all day, with the money I put into performance mods would equal the cost of a 3.8.
What mods?
I heard that the 2.0t gives you alot of trouble and headaches instead you know Hyundai after all. Is it true?
Can send me a link for the rear window visors
i got a challenger rt but I don’t want it anymore which would you recommend 2.0 or 3.8 honest opinion
If you wanna mod it and make it faster honestly 2.0 you can make power on them way easier and also with some money make way quicker than the 3.8 but 3.8 is great out of the box power and sounds amazing!
Just wondering how many miles you got on your car, wanna see if it’s reliable I have a 2013 r spec and so far no problems but I was wanting to see if I should get rid of it before I hit a certain amount of mileage
Ive got almost 60k on my car and so far so good, from what ive heard as long as you take care of it it will keep going!
Honestly the Lambda II GDI engines are very reliable if you keep up with maintenance. Hyundai/Kia used/uses a 3.8 variant in the new Palisade and Telluride. They've also used it in the Azera (MPI), G80 and K900. It is one of their most reliable engines. With proper maintenance will run 180k+ miles
It takes $500 to beat a 3.8 with alphaspeed tune
i love this car, it’s been my dream car since 2015 when i saw a 2014 genesis coupe, i’m currently waiting and where i live the cheapest you can find a 2014 coupe is 14k, i’m so close to having it :( i can’t wait
Keep grinding, u gonna get it!
Hussein Hajihn i got a promotion a yesterday, i’ve been excited since then cause i will be able to get it soon, thanks for the positive vibes appreciate it
@@ohhnito2705 any updates?
@@LGITPLAYER I found one but the guy was really sketchy and I’m sure it was a scam, so sadly still no genesis
@@LGITPLAYER but recently I got a second job, I have some things to pay first then I’ll save up for it, my New Years Resolution is to have it this year 🤞🏼
Im currently looking in to new wheels and tires and I have no clue what to get, I know that you wouldn't say what they are but could you at least tell me what size you got? (I'm looking at 19 x 9.5 and 19 x 10.5 rear) also debating on (19 x 8.75 and 19 x 9.75 the XXR 530'S)
I went with the 19x9.5+22 and 19x10.5+22. From what im seeing thats about the perfect fit
Thanks man! I actually just bought a pair of 19 x 8.5 +30 and 19 x 9.5 +40 and supposed to be a nice flush fit (fingers crossed) hopefully you don't have any rubbing or scraping happening. Looking forward to the wheel reveal! Keep up the great work!
Get niche Verona
nah it doesn’t take a lot of money, mine has ported and polished upper and lower intake manifolds, intake mani riser, true cai in the fog light, ported and polished headers w/ heat wrap, test pipes, and custom full exhaust, with an alphaspeed custom tune, all in all it cost ~$2300 for fbo and tuned to put down 330-340whp and for reference i gapped my buddies fbo stock turbo 2.0t when i was intake and exhaust only lol he’s on an aftermarket evo8 turbo (not much bigger) and i still gapped him and every time we’d raced he’d spent more on mods than i have lol
My 3.8 is having a battery light come up at high revs. Does anyone think I need a new one? Or is it my alternator?
A battery would be cheaper to replace, before you do anything get the battery tested. Might just need to replace it. Replace mine recently but was not getting battery warning light
I have never seen a battery light come on in my entire life, and i'm a mechanic. Start simple and makes sure the terminal connectors are tight. If they're tight get the battery tested. If it's fine get the alternator tested. Both can be done at autozone or those kinds of stores for free. There are two scenarios with the alternator. It could either be not charging the battery, or it could be overcharging the battery. Both are bad, and means you should get a new alternator and battery because it could be damaged from both scenarios. If they are both fine, check your relays and fuses for the warning light. Could just be that they are bad. If all of that is fine, then you have a wiring issue, not fun. Any time you have a problem just think of every part in that "circuit". I use the term circuit because it's easy to understand. While it doesn't apply to mechanical issue, the principle still does. Just follow the chain, test the easy stuff first. And obviously if you see something like a damaged wire, take care of that first. Before the other steps, because fixing the other stuff won't change anything if your connection isn't good.
in the country I'm living there are tonssssss of 3.8 ones here
I'd love to see a 3.8 turbo
Do these only come in manual?
What year and model is it?
You can actually get a $300 tune and push the same hp as a 3.8 and have the beautiful turbo noise
How does that work
esr wheels?
Hey how’s it going man I’m looking into getting a Genesis coupe but everyone tells me that their engines are bad and they start breaking down over 100k miles just wanted to ask you what are your experiences are ? Because personally I do want to buy the genesis but just a little nervous
From everything ive heard and seen they last well over 100k miles as long as you take care of them!
ethanW Thanks man Appreciate it !
I have a 2016 3.8 other then normal maitence I haven't had any issues
But I'm at 35000 miles
My 2010 3.8 genesis coupe has 113000 on it and runs great just take care of it
Already have on Ark Downpipe, Test Pipe, IRS Catback Street Exhaust, and a short ram intake.
Going to put on Ark Headers and Manifold Riser with a tune to try and push 425+ HP.
For aesthetics and or functional use. All Carbon Fiber Hood, Duckbill Trunk, Front Splitter, Side Skirts, Diffuser, Interior Steering Wheel. With 1 inch lowering coilovers and 1 inch spacers to make it look flush AF
Still thinking about a big Turbo because if I put a turbo on the 3.8 I can easily hit over 500HP. BUT i have to upgrade the motor so I dont blow up the engine from the stress on a stock motor. But if I upgrade my motor I More than likely lose lifetime warrenty on motor and transmission due to change of motor from what dealership can work on due to warrenty. Sooo I am more than likely to not Turbo so I can have lifetime motor and transmission warrenty while still pushing 425+ HP. Another reason is because 425+HP is way more than enough for a daily Genesis coupe driver as myself. Than if I turbo and overpower my genesis and make it not reliable for daily driving.
The highest hp 3.8 without a turbo ive seen is 333whp. That's on e85 as well. You cant get near 400 without a turbo. I own a 400whp 2.0t. I know this platform
How you gonna put headers on if you have a downpipe already.. twin engine or???
@@spectrum870 lol Talkin about HP not WHP on 3.8 just to make things clear. So we are on same page
@@andrewm.200 headers are the pipes right above the downpipes its first video. Go look up Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 headers
425 crank should be easy. Ported throttle body, port and polish manifolds, riser, test pipes, a cold air intake (not short ram), a cat back, and a custom tune. On a bk2 3.8
What tune are you planning on getting bro??
Definitely an alphaspeed one. From what ive heard they are the best now!
What type exhaust you have on ur car ? ?
ISR Race Exhaust
Thing sounds like a fucking race car, awesome shit
I just never liked the 2013-2016 model much and prefer the 2012 3.8 looks and headlights. Yours looks good for sure.
you’re cray
I agree
MSRP vs MSRP used vs used a similar year and mileage 3.8 and 2.0 the 3.8 will be more to buy the car so cost of whole car and parts will probably even out.
What, i've seen these go for as low as $4k. It is not an expensive car. The big thing is the 3.8 has less parts than the 2.0. Which means less can go wrong. The 3.8 also has more potential than the 2.0. The 2.0 is lighter, and has a turbo. You should not be considering a 2.0 because it has a turbo. Turbos don't mean anything. You can supercharge the 3.8 and then the 2.0 means nothing.
@@mattevans1643 Keep buying your salvage title vehicles lol. Only thing as low as $4k is a high mileage bk1 2.0
I’m watching this and ya at 4K 🕺🏽🕺🏽
Thank you for your continued support bro seriously! I know man it just happened the other day its absolutely crazy!
ethanW your the reason I’m saving up for a 3.8 can’t wait for it
a car for true enthusiast
But you have to pay 1.5k extra to buy the 3.8 as it is stock, at least with lower miles. The main reason I bought the 2.0t was because I had heard the 3.8 was way less reliable than the 2.0t, which is hilarious. But as you pointed out, maintenance is key. I love the way my 2.0t sounds but I still regret not getting the 3.8 for the sound. It's incredible, but turbo spool is just as tasty. I just came from a NA car, having previously had a boosted car, and missed it the entire time I had the NA car.
Great video tho, and congrats on 2k!
you heard wrong, the 2.0t is definitely much less reliable then the 3.8, it's actually not even close. with that said keeping up with regular maintenance and you'll have a good time with either one.
@@kraazyhorse oh yeah 3.8 is def the way to go
@@kraazyhorse meh, i've seen videos of both the 2.0t and 3.8 randomly throwing rods, so i'd say that they are both about even or as a whole, less reliable than the accord or g37. The way i look at it, if you are getting a 2.0t, get the bk2 because the bk1 is slower than most n/a 2.5 camry's but the bk2 2.0t is fairly quick with a few modifications and tunes. The 3.8 is for sound given the fact that they sound close to bootleg gtrs.