Is Patrick Kane Going to Remain a Red Wing?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 เม.ย. 2024
- Buschy makes his case for keeping Patrick Kane on the Detroit Red Wings for multiple seasons for multiple reasons!
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They absolutely need to sign Kane. Even if he loses a little in year 2 or 3 he would have huge value as a power play, overtime and shoot out specialist. Move Holl and Petry to free up cap space.
Agreed!
I do not enjoy facing the cold reality of hockey & professional sports in general. n.h.l. players are rightfully superstitious & protective of their image. Mainly curses. like how kane has been involved in at least two violent incidents after a night of drunkenness in Buffalo. If the n.h.l. had any kind of personal conduct policy like the n.f.l. he would have been thrown out of the league years ago. h.o.f. I think not. Cursed? His teams have missed the playoffs ever since his violent attack on a starstruck teenage girl in Buffalo. He has been treated disrpectfully & not welcomed in Buffalo since. Cursed? how did the Redwings miss the playoffs by 1 point? It is not a coincidence. Coach Steve is a former great player & understands how a hockey player thinks. As far as showtime showing off a rookie does not like to be humiliated by excessive celebrations. Kane provides an opportunity for a rookie to make a name for himself. His plus minus is dreary. a multiple year contract? Keep dreaming. no more showing off for showtime.
As far as Buffalo he ran away with his tail between his legs after his attack on the teenage girl. She had multiple bite marks from kane biting her. The only team that will be interested in him is a celler dweller or expansion team desperate for attendance. he thinks he can pick his team again? time will tell. I really hope I am wrong for the sake of the team that gambles on him.
By the way kane how come your nose runs...
Coach Steve obviously knows something he does not talk about. coach Steve talking would make kanes value as a trade worthless.
Kane and Debrinket together were music to the eyes.
The cat worked well with Lark and Ray. It was his best start ever without 88.
What were you watching? They clearly played better when separated
Kane is a Red wing! Where can he go and find love like he has found in Detroit. We love this guy, and we'll pay his asking price. And he's worth it...
I think he likes it here!
Chicago
Game-winning goals, 2023-24: Copp: 3 // Perron: 4 // Raymond: 4 // Larkin: 5 // Kane: 7
Fabbri hit 2 I think. Walman hit one or 2. one of the only timers all season. this team (larkin) aims for ties and asks for tie agreements before games. 27 regulation wins
Im not "hockey smart" but I agree with you 100%. SHOWTIME, Im a fan. He reminds me of part of the team the wings had when they won the Stanley Cup.
The Patrick Kane experiment as a Red Wing worked out great for both sides. He helped the team flirt with a playoff spot and Kane used the year as a benchmark on how his hip surgery went. It was a win win situation. However, from a players point of view, what does Detroit have to offer? Money mainly but probably not a cup run in the next three years. Kane will be 36 (November 2024), a three year contract will take him to 38 almost 39 years of age? No team will sign him at that age for another two years. I think Kane will want to cash in NOW. One last contract with 4-5 year term to a potential stanley cup team. A last chance at a cup with a substantial pay raise. As far as playing with Debrincat? We all know players come and go. Who says Debrincat will be here for another three years. I wouldnt want to possibly jepordize my career on a friend who may be or may not be here.. Debrincat only had one more assist than he had last year. For these reasons, I dont see Kane in a Red Wing uniform next year.
Debrincat is under contract he isn't going anywhere. Kane has won three Cups and a ton of awards, made his money. If he wants a spot where he can be top 6 and a fan favorite, Detroit is the place for him
I think Buffalo ticks all those boxes and maybe at least one more, however. And I think they are willing to give him a longer term. But I’m just speculating, of course. @@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReporthe had that in Chicago
@@kjm0227 I'd love to see that 'report' and where it's from
I want to see Kane back again but expect that first priority will be signing Seider and Raymond. We obviously will have to move out players like Petry and Holl. There are a few UFA's we will not resign. We look at upgrading our D next year as well as a 2nd line center. No question Buschy Stevie has a lot to do in the off season. Bring in Stamkos.
I think we are on the same wavelength! I'm going to mess around on CapFriendly to see if Stamkos is a realistic option!
Stamkos isn't coming to Detroit!
1) Larkin isn't losing his C.
2) Stamkos isn't going to a another team and not have the C on his jersey!
3) Detroit doesn't need him!
Everyone is going to eat their words when these next few seasons the Red Wings are right where they need to be!
BRING HIM BACK! Open the purse strings Stevie
As a huge Blackhawks fan, LOVE this! Our Kaner - oh I mean Chelios - game... How amazing was his OT winning goal??? If you guys cannot get/keep him next year, oh we want him back here in Chicago soooooo bad - every game that Kaner helped Red Wings win, I think every Chicago fan smiled as well... hard not to! Cannot wait to watch next year!
Would be cool but I think that ship may have sailed!
Kane is so huge for this team not only on the ice but in the lockeroom. He fits so well on the team. I would like to see him get an A along with Seider and Raymond. He was scoring almost every game down the stretch. Think a deal will be worked out for a 2 or 3 year deal!
I hope so!
I agree!
Gotta bring Showtime back. He's good for a good three years probably more. That's what this team is missing is a Federov, Yzerman, Shanahan, player you can always count on Kane can fill that position
You were 💯 in all your assignments on Kane
I couldn't of said it any better
We want him back unless he or Steve are being unreasonable with each other
It's a no brainier with this guy's hand talent and IQ
We can only hope!
I want him bad so bad. Don’t leave me Kane. lol I know the feeling you’re talking about. That star power was back in Detroit, I don’t want it to leave again goddamnit. He looks so damn good in that jersey and I think he has a lot to do with Raymond’s offensive burst.
I love him in it too!
Kane with a full off-season of pain free training is going to come back a 90P guy
If that's the case I want him in the winged wheel!
I agree that Kane brings that respect on the offensive side of things and would like to see him back for that reason. But this team sorely needs more players on the defensive side of things that the other team also respects. One of the things that made Datsyuk so special and we're so lucky to have had him is players on the opposing team feared him making them look silly in all situations. He didn't even need to have the puck, just being on the ice was enough. I don't know if we'll quite get another player like that any time soon, but adding some more defensive power to round it out would be welcome. Hopefully we see Edvinsson blossom into that as well as Seider continue to grow into that top D-man role, but I think we're also going to need help on the front end from guys like Kasper and Danielson.
I think they can keep Kane and also improve the defence
100% There are obviously so much in addition to what he does on the ice that Kane brings. Raymond elevated his game after Kane came in, that's no coincidence.
On top of this Kane would probably be a guy that can help the organization alot after his career too. His understanding of the game and of players is 2nd to none.
5 years at 5 million dollars is unrealistic for Kane at 35 years old. I would say 2 years at 4 millions AAV with a team option for a 3rd year would be more tolerable if Kane loses a step or two. Detroit needs to be very smart with the cap situation with Raymond and Seider still needing to be paid. They also might have to eat Justin Holl and Jeff Petry’s contracts to reshape the defense.
They can fit these guys in even with the Raymond and Seider contracts. I have a feeling Stevie might surprise us with those two contracts and make everything fit perfectly
I would shoot Holl and Petry into space if I could lol
If Kane is not with Detroit next season I will be pissed off
I'll be disappointed, I think he fits the team perfectly
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport : I do too! Right now, it’s a wait and see approach, and I hope Steve Yzerman will keep him on the team. Kane and Debrincat are a great pair and awesome teammates, I don’t think we wanna split them up
If Kane wants to return then work a deal, otherwise, Wings have talent in the pipeline.
Bring him back
Moved to Fl in 08, and I love the young core but Kane made me watch like I used to watch Stevie Y back in the day.
There's a reason he's called Showtime!
I’m not ruling it out, but I think he wants a longer contract than Detroit will offer. But that’s just me speculating, of course. Most of me wants him back, because it has been so exciting. I have had the exact same feeling of “anything can happen” when he is on the ice. The one thing that kind of makes me think it’s not 100% a good idea is that I think the Cat-Larkin-Raymond line is the future and Kane’s presence might mess that up.
I think Kane might want to help Buffalo reach the playoffs next year. Maybe that’s where he wants his son to grow up. They could really use someone like him on their team. I will surely keep a close eye on whichever team he joins.
By the way, I have started to get the same “anything can happen” feeling when Raymond is on the ice. For good reasons! Need to get his jersey! I’m from Sweden, it makes total sense. 😁🤩
We really don't know what Kane or Yzerman are thinking. And yes! I agree Raymond has been a revelation this year! Hopefully he continues to grow! Thanks for watching!
I absolutely want Kane back and my thoughts were 5 million a year for 3 years as well. Perron is another I’m not against returning but he’d need to be much cheaper. I also feel Kasper would be an adequate replacement for Perron. Maybe Nate Danielson makes a good case for himself in training camp and can become that 2C and play with Kane. How many rookies do you think make the team?
Edvinsson should be a lock. And Yzerman also said he expects Berggren and Johansson to be on opening night roster. Berggrens already played 79 nhl games and Edvinsson 25. Do you consider Berggren still a rookie? Would Berggren, Kasper, Danielson, Edvinsson and Johansson be too many young guys on the roster? Mazur could also make a case at camp. I don’t see 6 guys making the team that would be insane but 3-4 maybe.
Berggren Danielson Kane
That could be an enjoyable line but at the same time I could see Danielson starting at wing with a guy like Compher
The best thing about these rookies is the cheap salary so you could go after Kane again as well as a few other free agents!
Resign Kane 3 years 5-5.5 mil. If you can’t bring back Perron or ghost because of it, too bad. I would love to keep Perron if he exclusively played bottom 6 and on PP2 for less than 2 mil. Players to move to make space for these guys: Holl and/or one of Copp/ Compher. Id much rather keep Compher because I think he does everything Copp does but slightly better, but we cannot keep them both when they are either an elite 3C or serviceable 3C. Neither are a 2C
I wouldn't be heartbroken is Perron and Ghost were gone honestly. Perron would need a massive pay cut and at that point just put Kasper or Mazur in there
Copp is someone I'd love to move on from but realistically i don't think they can or will
It will be interesting to see where he ends up, something is telling me he’s heading to Vegas
I bet money he gets an extension ,yzerman would make a big mistake letting him go with alll the chemistry and leadership he brings to this team it makes no sense for him to be gone too soon
I hope they get it done
He should stay. But probably not? I like his play and skills. He also matches up well with any of the other players. My humble opinion to Yzerman is, keep the sob, he's worth it. The value is there.....IMHO, of course.
$18M
3x$6M AAV. $6.5 at the max.
I think 2 or 3 years between 5.25 and 6.25M a year
6.5 might be a bit high with the space the Wings will have to make to keep him but I guess we will find out!
Yes! Sign him! They NEED his skills as a player, team mate, mentor. I don’t know what that deal looks like…3 years sounds like good compromise.
I hope so!
If they sign Kane then they need to play him with Larkin or go get another speedy center who can chase down pucks, I don't think Kane liked playing on the second line with Compher and Perron...
splitting up Larkin from Raymond was one of the biggest mistakes Lalonde made this year. Kane and Debrincat together were awful, Compher was the only center who kind of made it work because he actually can play defensively (Larkin can too obviously but for him to play defensively he has to give up what makes him an offensive force)
Stamkos
We should certainly sign him. A good number is 3 year with a 4th option. Dollar amount is where the issue is.
If options were a thing in hockey I would do that lol
I agree completely.
Actually, I would be surprised if they didn't get a deal done! It was blatantly obvious how much he elevated the team offense. Btw, I saw what you did there...that was cute 😂
UTAH COYOTES lol
Kane mentally checked out a month ago. Watch his body language change down the stretch. He was either hurt or done.
He's a liability on defense and was mia during the Larkin injury month.
Your first line of your comment is all opinion so that's fine if you think that.
But the whole team shit the bed against the Coyotes and Avalanche. Other than that in those other 7 games he had 3 goals and 5 assists and the overtime winner against the Blue Jackets. So respectfully what are you talking about?
Yes. Sign PK!
I think if they offer him a 3 year deal he will come back, i don’t see the wings bringing in another center there just not available, so it’d probably be better to bring in a top 6 winger to play with Kane and confer. Maybe trade for a Bryon rust or Pavel Buchnevich, something like that.
I really don't like the Rust contract but i do like Buchnevich, I thought if they were players at the deadline that he would be a guy that would fit the Wings
3 years is very reasonable IMO. Kane made the Wings a much better team and more enjoyable to watch. I hope Yzerman and Kane can negotiate a fair deal for both sides.
I think the risk vs reward is worth it. He was point per game and was clutch so many times
If people are worried, go look at the 02 Wings roster (and salaries)
You should do a video on the 02 Wings comparing it to the Kane situation. Look at Hull, Chelios, Hasek
Larionov
Comparing what exactly
Give him 5..let him retire a Red Wing! He's a point let game at 35......5 is gravy!!!!
5 is a risk but if it takes less than $5 million I would consider it
When do we find out what the salary cap will be for next year? Will it be before the start of free agency?
The question of how much it makes sense to pay him could depend on this.
The rumoured number is $87.7 million which is another $5 million in space
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport I know that there are rumors as to the amount. Do we know when the actual amount will be officially reported? One would really be taking a risk to start signing players based on rumor.
@@jeremykraenzlein5975it’s going up to that number. Relax they know the cap
@@jeremykraenzlein5975 Obviously the teams would know officially before they start signing guys lol
Just give him 3 and use it as an asset to attract more talent -- get a better coach too. Use the coach as leverage to keep Kane. LaLonde is mid
His end of season comments were all speaking about the team in past tense. Unless the Wings throw huge $ with term at him, I doubt he stays.
Did you watch the whole video I address those comments and why I don't think it means much
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport Indeed, but what you think doesn't mean much could also be exactly what it seemed. We'll know soon enough.
@@krob5375 People's gut feelings don't have any reason to it, what I'm saying is think about it from a different angle and you might see it how I explained it. I hope he's back
keep it going, Kane
Not sure it matters. Need defense and the offense was good before he signed
You can have both it isn't one of the other
2 yrs at 5 million or 3 yrs at 4 million.
Hire Fedorov, keep Kane, drop some shitty contracts, get some dope defense, make the playoffs. Let's go
He's leaving. Just listen to the way he was speaking at his end of year conference
Did you watch this video lol
I address why I don't think that his comments really meant anything
build team defense?
they will need to address that for sure as well
I almost dropped my drink when you mentioned the Datsyuk comparison! Exactly what I was thinking!
In terms of getting you out of your seat absolutely! And the respect from defenders. The defence side of the game? Absolutely not lol
Resign Kane and bring in Stamkos!
Wings need to be bold right here.
Wings haven’t had a FA player on the team like Kane since Hossa. Hossa made the core forwards (Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen) better, simply by creating space for the other players on his line. Kane does the same thing. Yes, he’s 35, but he still has hands that can dish and score, and his mind hasn’t gotten slower - he still thinks the game at a high pace.
If he isn’t offered 3 years or more at 5m+, he walks.
Holl was a horrible signing - Toronto was right to ride him so hard. Petry needs to go as well. Chiarot was a stopgap, but his time is done as well.
Keep Gostisbehere as an offensive defenseman. Walman and Sieder as 1D, 2D/3D.
And for goodness sakes, keep Michael Rasmussen healthy all season. He’s a heart and soul guy like Draper - not the most skilled, but doesn’t give up on a shift. #LGRW
I agree with almost everything, although I've never heard a Ras-Draper comparison before
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport IMO, the team plays different when he’s in the lineup. He adds something that no one else does. I’m not a Ras fan boy by any means. I’ve noticed this over the past 2 seasons.
@@ICanRideMiBikeWithNoHandleBars he brings that edge when he wants to!
6M x 2
Probably what they will have to give him to only do 2 years
3 x 3 For Kaner
I don't think that's enough. A 500k raise for what he did this year won't be worth it for him
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport He said in his presser he wants term, and he's already made a truckload of money. Maybe add on performance bonuses, win/win
I'd prefer not to see him. I know people see him as some sort of a savior to the season but that just isn't the case. The wings were doing better before he came actually. And yes, I know his point per game numbers were good but you also have to factor in how that affected the rest of the roster. It's no coincidence that Debrincat's points tanked after the acquisition and Raymond even had a sputtering because Lalonde had to fuck with the lines to see how Kane could fit considering you have to insulate a player like him with guys who can actually defend and retrieve the puck on the boards. He's going to ask for a lot of money and 3-4 years and when I think about where the team will be in three years, we should be contending, when I think about where Kane will be in 3 years, he will be deteriorating. His timeline just doesn't match up with the team's timeline. Right now it's easy to say "Pay the man! We have cap space" but that cap space doesn't last if you aren't smart with it. We need to (and will) resign Raymond and Seider. Soon enough we're also going to have our other youngsters looking for extension and it would be wise not to fuck that up because we wanted a one dimensional goal scorer on the back half of his career. Another thing that people aren't seeing is who else might be available... Stamkos is coming to an end in Tampa and Marchessault is likely going to be forced out of Vegas. I would take either of them over Kane in a heartbeat.
To me, this best case scenario where he actually plays 3 full years, fully healthy, with only a small amount of decline just isn't realistic.He played half of the year where he barely got hit and was honestly a defensive liability for his 5v5 time on ice. The likeliehood that such a contract fucks us over is way higher than it paying off. He was worth the chance this year and did what he was supposed to do, that doesn't mean he's a good investment long term.
I really don't see a big correlation of Kane showing up and DeBrincat tanking, I think ADB started out insanely hot and regressed back to the mean HARD lol
I would want Kane over Stamkos and Marchessault and that's just a personal preference for me (I love Stammer!)
For you last point I guarantee that contract wouldn't fuck us, contracts like Copp/Chiarot/Holl will where a guy is getting paid way more than his output
I like that you have these opinions though! Definitely a different outlook I appreciate it!
This. I was saying this right after they signed him. He doesn’t fit lablodnes system of defense first.
he's gone. DET cannot afford him with contracts like Petry's affecting what they're able to do
They can make the room with some moves and the cap is going up as well
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport I'd love to see the man back in the wheel wing uniform. But realistically, how much is Yzerman gonna have to give up JUST to shed Petry's contract?
Remember, 23 and 53 needs contracts too.
Kaner go back to the Blackhawks
I think there's less than 0% chance that happens. That ship has sailed they're in a rebuild
Hopefully gone! He is and will not participate in the team defense required to win long term. He did have timely goals this year for the wings, however his total lack of defense and absolute unwillingness to battle anyone for the puck will not help the overall push to make the playoffs. Even Yzerman states in his year end address that that forwards need to participate more in the defense
Not sure how many times I need to say this, he is NOT here for defence. It's offence, 5 on 5 and powerplay. You can look at the whole team and see how bad pretty much everyone was defensively at points. Guy was a point per game player and made a huge difference. I'm not sure what more you could want
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport
Not sure how many times I need to say either, cups are won on team defense. It’s has been this way over decades, over several playing era’s. Unfortunately there is no room for offense only players, it creates to much opportunity for the opponent in your zone. I would suggest you really start your analysis with yzerman under Bowman
@@mickeypac6087 Every team has players that are offensive weapons and that's it, Cup champs too. Go look at the winners the last ten years you'll find a few on every team
LEAVING 😢
Why do you think that lol
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport I drink & I know things 😎
I’d leave if I were him, Kane doesn’t want to play Dump and Chase hockey.
this roster sucks,
and can only play that type of game..
I doubt Kane wants to play with losers like Andrew Copp, Czarnik, Holl, Petry, Fabbri, Veleno, Rasmussen, and Perron.
Thanks for playing as a Wing for a bit Patrick.
That was great.
Damn that was cut throat lol
I think he likes playing with guys like Larkin, Debrincat, Raymond, Seider, Walman, Compher. Depends how you want to look at it
I don't like the posturing and the nonchalant "it WAS nice" but ok, negotiating ploy I guess. And if possible I'd love to have him back BUT -- if there's whining about " I wanna play with Alex" then - no. They don't decide lines and FWIW--how many goals did Alex have before Kane, and how many after.....
When did he whine about not playing with DeBrincat? Sounds like conjecture. They're still on the same team
@@HealthyScratchRedWingsReport You are correct - he didn't say that. I said "IF" there's whining which is different than saying there is.
Yzerman took on too many bad contracts to resign, Kane!
Need to move on from Petry and Holl.
@spencerdobkin9479 not that simple!
Pretty simple to buy out Holl and create room. Guys like Fabbri making $4 million could be moved to a bottom feeder, so there are ways of creating space
Copp at 5M+ is insane as well
@@MolotovMan1263 it was interesting to hear Yzerman talking about the cap being an issue this coming year. I don't think he expected Raymond to play so well down the stretch and increase his value.
I got the dam jersey lol
its a great jersey lol