The last scene of Ibrahim meeting up with his brother nico explained all his pent up feelings ... he was actually in love with nigar kalfar. He married hatice to stay in power ... he "made his own bed of thorns" or he was forced to make that bed and now he's stuck with it and had dug his own grave unfortunately. He realised at the did of the day he's still a slave ... He also made the wrong decision to join forces with mahidrevan and mustafa because he's greedy and power hungry. The power he attained got to his head and soul. Suleyman told him that too. He tried to have his "feet in two boats" - Suleyman's and Mustafa's. He's actually in the same dilemma as Hureem was at the beginning. He'd to stay alive ... Hureem was luckier in that her choice of "love" for Suleyman paid "dividends"😊 and she's more focused than he was in dealing with palace politics. She focused on staying alive to protect Suleyman than her children first. The wealth and power would then fall into place. She outsmarted and outplayed everyone in the harem and then the palace ...
26:57 This brother meet is so wholesome..n so much needed..there's no lord n no slave. There's no need to bow, just go and give a tight hug to each other. Ibrahim speaking out his heart n niko listening n understanding Ibrahim's pain n problem is so heart melting. 💙
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Ibrahim always wished he could have lived a simple life and his status as a slave was always a source of pain that all the power he had couldn't take away his over the top arrogance and affair with nigar was a way to compensate for this and it didn't help that suleiman kepet reminding him of this
This is definitely one of those times where I couldn't help enjoying Hatice's scenes and, by extension, Selma Ergeç's effort as an actor here. But, something I only noticed on rewatches, is that, not only is Hatice's dream remarkably prophetic, her gown here is the same as the one worn when Ibrahim's death is announced for real later in the show.
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@Leo Ooh, I'm going to have to watch for other scenes of her wearing it. Reminds me a bit of Mahidevran's mirror symbolism and the necklace that Suleiman gave her.
Ibrahim was the most intelligent and escapist from the strict autocratic rules repeatedly he wanted to go back to his earlier serine life and forced to come back into the sultan's Hassel Bassel
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This scene does show superb acting by the actress but also shows how weak Hatice was as a woman and which ultimately was her downfall. Shah Huban was right, she was nothing like Hatice.. she was a strong Sultana who knew her worth.
@@ojasvashishtha4453because Hatice is Sultana, as far as I know if a pasha loses his position he will also automatically get a divorce with Sultan they marry with. But this never happened, because Ibrahim never married Hatice. The only one who has experienced the same problem as Ibrahim in this story is Rustem. He was demoted from his position as pasha but was not forced to divorce Mihrimah
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@Leo It'd be difficult to concentrate that's for certain. But then I'll keep on reminding myself that Miss Selma is married and has a child. So she's off limits
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What a pity ..Ibrahim got to feel what most men keep reminding their women on regular basis ... They expect that the love and devotion will continue after the fact . But mostly those feeling die off . Just like Ibrahim , those women stay in the relationship because it gives them financial or social or physical security or position or both .
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Of course I feel empathy for Ibrahim Paşa, but cheating should never be condoned. Had he wanted to, he could've divorced Hatice, but deep down he knew she was right, losing her would mean losing all his titles.
Not in any sort of effort to justify what he did here, but I don't think Ibrahim legally could divorce Hatice? I'll admit to not having done a full amount of research into it, but, by the sounds of it, these Imperial princesses outranked their husbands so severely that the circumstances of their marriage could often be dictated by them (and, admittedly, by whether or not the sultan would acquiesce with their divorce request).
@@Redluna32 perhaps and considering Ibrahim was still a slave technically, it would've made things harder. For example, had Lütfi wanted to divorce Şah, he could go to the courts as he was a free man.
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@@hussainsultanzada6123Ibrahim couldn't do that, he belongs to hatice, to dynasty including haseki sultan. Ibrahim isslave of dynasty, slaveof haseki sultan
@@hussainsultanzada6123 by the way, it was kind of ironic that Hatice was concerned about Nigar's future in front of Ibrahim. Don't worry about a thing Hatice. Ibrahim will take very good care of Nigar's needs 🤣🤣
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lbrahim forgot his place just like Mustafa. You may have power but you will never be powerful like Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Never cross the line! ✋🏼
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Had he been greedy he qould have never left his seal Nobody have ever done that Others asked and begged for power And play games But not jbrahim He never wanted anything But suly 0000brain
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Ibrahim acting like a victim, while Suleiman warns him not to overstep his boundaries and abuse his mercy. I know Ibrahim, you feel like you have no purpose, but acting as you are equal to the Sultan it's not it!
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@@hussainsultanzada6123 well, as I got Ottoman rules well, cheating on Hatice alone was enough to be called dynasty traitor. But hey, don't the guy called himself "lion's tamer" and Sultan?
No one dared to leave his seal Everybody else asked for position power money But obrahim never asked He leave he always leave Had suly let him and appoint any one else But he can't he knew he can't He sent ibrahim to do everything while he is in bed If Ibrahim wss greedy he qould have never leave it and its not the first time
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1) While suleiman' s love n brotherhood towards ibrahim was genuine...ibrahim was only faking it from the beginning and only uses them to his advantage Even after suleiman confronts him directly and advise him...ibrahim easily lies to his face 2) If i rahim felt so bad abt being a slave and being treated like one...he could have shown some compassion& empathised with hurrem instead of making her life more miserable 3) If hatice was so much afraid of the possibility of suleiman killing ibrahim...instead of torturing hurrem she should have been at least friendly with her 4) Finally valide ordering suleiman...she should know her limits
I found the fact that Ibrahim was never married to Hatice, this is inaccurate history but this series was made before the actual investigation. Ibrahim married the daughter of the governor who kidnapped him from his homeland. Hurrem and Hatice were never enemies but it was true that people called Ibrahim the great Ibrahim to mock Suleiman
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Valide Sultan was dead and Hatice was busy with sticking her nose into Suleiman's marriage. Mahidevran was away and her stuff called her "Valide Sultan" so she probably thought, she already has that position in her pocket and Ibrahim is no longer useful 😎
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Everyone in the palace is playing games , one has to necessarily participate to survive . It is not a place for faint hearted . It's a jungle ...kill or be killed . Who is innocent in that palace ? If one is cruel all are , if one is cunning all are . She did what she had to , to survive .
What i cannot understand with this ottoman kings they can kill their own sons and brothers and nephews without pity. But they cannot do anything about the arrogance and haughtiness of their sisters and harem? Too much weakness in their knees if it comes to women😂😂😂
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The real thing is that he got broken from inside when hatice reminded him that he was inferior to her . A husband and man could tolerate everything but disresepct from his lady . Like he said the affair started afterwards , befause that women consider him to be everything for her . As in islam a wife should always be respectulful towards her husband and will not enter jannah if he is not satisfied with her behaviour towards him provided he is also a rightful guy . Here it can be clearly seen that sultanas are disrespectful towards their husbands , especiallt shah habano as well . These shameless sultanas are not representative of the real sultana in this world Hazrat e Fatima r.a who was the daughter of Prophet Muhammad s a.w and is the sultana in jannah yet she was always very respectful towards her husband .
Hatice's actress was just phenomonal in this role 10/10 preformance
Very good and attractive actress. 👍
The last scene of Ibrahim meeting up with his brother nico explained all his pent up feelings ... he was actually in love with nigar kalfar. He married hatice to stay in power ... he "made his own bed of thorns" or he was forced to make that bed and now he's stuck with it and had dug his own grave unfortunately. He realised at the did of the day he's still a slave ... He also made the wrong decision to join forces with mahidrevan and mustafa because he's greedy and power hungry. The power he attained got to his head and soul. Suleyman told him that too. He tried to have his "feet in two boats" - Suleyman's and Mustafa's. He's actually in the same dilemma as Hureem was at the beginning. He'd to stay alive ... Hureem was luckier in that her choice of "love" for Suleyman paid "dividends"😊 and she's more focused than he was in dealing with palace politics. She focused on staying alive to protect Suleyman than her children first. The wealth and power would then fall into place. She outsmarted and outplayed everyone in the harem and then the palace ...
26:57 This brother meet is so wholesome..n so much needed..there's no lord n no slave. There's no need to bow, just go and give a tight hug to each other. Ibrahim speaking out his heart n niko listening n understanding Ibrahim's pain n problem is so heart melting. 💙
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Ibrahim always wished he could have lived a simple life and his status as a slave was always a source of pain that all the power he had couldn't take away his over the top arrogance and affair with nigar was a way to compensate for this and it didn't help that suleiman kepet reminding him of this
lbrahim handing his seal was smart move. He knew that Suleiman would forgive him because Hatice would beg.
This is definitely one of those times where I couldn't help enjoying Hatice's scenes and, by extension, Selma Ergeç's effort as an actor here. But, something I only noticed on rewatches, is that, not only is Hatice's dream remarkably prophetic, her gown here is the same as the one worn when Ibrahim's death is announced for real later in the show.
Selma erec as an acrress not actor
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@Leo Ooh, I'm going to have to watch for other scenes of her wearing it. Reminds me a bit of Mahidevran's mirror symbolism and the necklace that Suleiman gave her.
@Leo exactly everytime something bad happens she's wearing that dress i think it was done on purpose it's too much to be just a coincidence
Very interesting.
Ibrahim was the most intelligent and escapist from the strict autocratic rules repeatedly he wanted to go back to his earlier serine life and forced to come back into the sultan's Hassel Bassel
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"Choose the woman you'll marry with and your cow with your village" makes family life easier haha but sometimes fate has other ideas
These scenes show how bipolar she was
This scene does show superb acting by the actress but also shows how weak Hatice was as a woman and which ultimately was her downfall. Shah Huban was right, she was nothing like Hatice.. she was a strong Sultana who knew her worth.
Hatice was a woman and womans by nature are sensitive when it comes to their loved ones
Yeah she completely nailed the role of an emotionally unstable woman! All these actors are 💯
Why can't Ibrahim take Hatice with him?
@@ojasvashishtha4453because Hatice is Sultana, as far as I know if a pasha loses his position he will also automatically get a divorce with Sultan they marry with. But this never happened, because Ibrahim never married Hatice. The only one who has experienced the same problem as Ibrahim in this story is Rustem. He was demoted from his position as pasha but was not forced to divorce Mihrimah
Gods Selma ergec did a phenomenal job playing Hatice. Watching her going ballistic like this...is kind of scarry
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@Leo certainly. She really should open her own school of acting. I'll gladly go to register 😊😊
@Leo It'd be difficult to concentrate that's for certain. But then I'll keep on reminding myself that Miss Selma is married and has a child. So she's off limits
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What a performance of both, specially Sultan sulaiman, the best actor.
lbrahim making worst mistakes after mistakes every day. Power really got to his head.
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What a pity ..Ibrahim got to feel what most men keep reminding their women on regular basis ...
They expect that the love and devotion will continue after the fact . But mostly those feeling die off .
Just like Ibrahim , those women stay in the relationship because it gives them financial or social or physical security or position or both .
I wonder how this Ibrahim and Kosem would've interacted with each other.
would've hated each other 😂same personalities in politics never turn out well, just look at Kösem and Murad.
Worst enemies they would be, just as lbrahim and Hurrem.
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It would have being a blood bath way worse than this giving that kosem was more powerful than hurrem
@@kikima258 not really, valide sultan would end his life much earlier haha either he would obey to her, either byebye
I think whoever said that Hatice was nit so much as in love with Ibrahim, but was obsessed with him.
Why is everyone fussing around Hatice like she was a child. That woman was obsessed with Ibrahim. This is why she ended up the way she did. 🙄
Of course I feel empathy for Ibrahim Paşa, but cheating should never be condoned. Had he wanted to, he could've divorced Hatice, but deep down he knew she was right, losing her would mean losing all his titles.
Not in any sort of effort to justify what he did here, but I don't think Ibrahim legally could divorce Hatice? I'll admit to not having done a full amount of research into it, but, by the sounds of it, these Imperial princesses outranked their husbands so severely that the circumstances of their marriage could often be dictated by them (and, admittedly, by whether or not the sultan would acquiesce with their divorce request).
@@Redluna32 perhaps and considering Ibrahim was still a slave technically, it would've made things harder. For example, had Lütfi wanted to divorce Şah, he could go to the courts as he was a free man.
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@@hussainsultanzada6123Ibrahim couldn't do that, he belongs to hatice, to dynasty including haseki sultan. Ibrahim isslave of dynasty, slaveof haseki sultan
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He never really loved Hatice (not in the show at least) he lived the power and lusted, that's all.
lbrahim ended himself with his own hands. ✍🏼✍🏼✍🏼
As always Mustafa being lbrahim’s and Mahidevill’s pupp. Lmao embarrassing.
Whoever did the subtitles had been hitting the rakı pretty hard, it seems. 😂
Look at Ibrahim's audacity here. Suleiman and Hatice tried to knock some sense into his thick skull and he plays the victim! 🤬🤬
But his 'playing the victim' had nothing to do with the statue matter. It was with cheating on his wife (which isn't acceptable btw)
@@hussainsultanzada6123 certainly. But Hatice doesn't know that. Yet
@@hussainsultanzada6123 by the way, it was kind of ironic that Hatice was concerned about Nigar's future in front of Ibrahim.
Don't worry about a thing Hatice. Ibrahim will take very good care of Nigar's needs 🤣🤣
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That’s the same dress in her dream when she sees Ibrahim’s body after his execution.
lbrahim forgot his place just like Mustafa. You may have power but you will never be powerful like Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Never cross the line! ✋🏼
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Shehzade mustafa wasn't greedy for power if he was. With all his power and authority he could take the throne
23:02 Being a sultan was not so easy, problem behind palace on the palace 😅
Had he been greedy he qould have never left his seal
Nobody have ever done that
Others asked and begged for power And play games
But not jbrahim
He never wanted anything
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Greedy lbrahim NEVER knew friendship, loyalty! He was the worst! He got Karmaaaa soon!
lbrahim was getting closer and closer to death with his greedy behaviour.
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What a Weak miserable woman she was. She Allowed him to walk all over her instead of using her power. How SAD. She should have let him Stayed GONE.
Ibrahim acting like a victim, while Suleiman warns him not to overstep his boundaries and abuse his mercy.
I know Ibrahim, you feel like you have no purpose, but acting as you are equal to the Sultan it's not it!
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Ibrahim acted perfectly fine and performance wise, he was excellent in acting ! Congratulations
Dynastytrsitor Ibrahim. Haseki sultan will open suleimans eyes and there won't be hafsa or hatice or Mustafa or mahidevran to save him next time
Are you calling him a traitor because of him cheating? Or his other bad actions lol. There's too much to count 😂
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@@hussainsultanzada6123 well, as I got Ottoman rules well, cheating on Hatice alone was enough to be called dynasty traitor. But hey, don't the guy called himself "lion's tamer" and Sultan?
No one dared to leave his seal
Everybody else asked for position power money
But obrahim never asked
He leave he always leave
Had suly let him and appoint any one else
But he can't he knew he can't
He sent ibrahim to do everything while he is in bed
If Ibrahim wss greedy he qould have never leave it and its not the first time
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lbrahim was worst friend, greeedy, power hungry. He never knew friendship, loyalty. He only wanted power.
Don’t take me serious; I am JOKING, I havs personality disorder and TouretteSyndrome. I only want attentlon.
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I was JOKING. I know lbrahim is liiar. He never spoke truth, always lied. He neverKnew friendship or loyallty. Karmaaa is coming for him.
1) While suleiman' s love n brotherhood towards ibrahim was genuine...ibrahim was only faking it from the beginning and only uses them to his advantage
Even after suleiman confronts him directly and advise him...ibrahim easily lies to his face
2) If i rahim felt so bad abt being a slave and being treated like one...he could have shown some compassion& empathised with hurrem instead of making her life more miserable
3) If hatice was so much afraid of the possibility of suleiman killing ibrahim...instead of torturing hurrem she should have been at least friendly with her
4) Finally valide ordering suleiman...she should know her limits
Well said!!
I found the fact that Ibrahim was never married to Hatice, this is inaccurate history but this series was made before the actual investigation. Ibrahim married the daughter of the governor who kidnapped him from his homeland. Hurrem and Hatice were never enemies but it was true that people called Ibrahim the great Ibrahim to mock Suleiman
Благодаря хюрем султан стал сомневаться в ибрагиме хотя ибрагим никогда его не предавал берег султана от переживаний в отличии от рыжей хюрем
Everyone spammed Suleiman to spare Ibrahim. Wondering in episode 82-83 where will they be :))
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Valide Sultan was dead and Hatice was busy with sticking her nose into Suleiman's marriage. Mahidevran was away and her stuff called her "Valide Sultan" so she probably thought, she already has that position in her pocket and Ibrahim is no longer useful 😎
@@nielubieinceli hahaha well said!
I am feeling Hatice 😢😢😢
She's owning her feelings 💯
Osman would be disappointed how arrogant his people became with power
This was evidence of ibrahim which it shows he was cruel and hungry for power tf
And in one scene we learn how it is to be a slave....
Greedy lbrahim, all he wants is power. He forgot that Suleiman made him!
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lbrahim handed over the seal as he knew Suleiman would feel sorry for him and return him back. Greedy traitor lbrahim.
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+ lo habiera! valido volverse a Parga, no haberia! sido ejecutado
Хюрем постоянно сеяла сомнения в голову султана постоянно насчет илрагима мустафы она очень страшный человек
Everyone in the palace is playing games , one has to necessarily participate to survive . It is not a place for faint hearted . It's a jungle ...kill or be killed . Who is innocent in that palace ? If one is cruel all are , if one is cunning all are .
She did what she had to , to survive .
What i cannot understand with this ottoman kings they can kill their own sons and brothers and nephews without pity. But they cannot do anything about the arrogance and haughtiness of their sisters and harem? Too much weakness in their knees if it comes to women😂😂😂
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And that’s why hatice killed herself, over some big headed arrogant slave 😂 what a shame!
Of course Mustafa would cry for lbrahim- they were similarly arrogant, greedy and power hungry.
lbrahim’s and Mahidevran’s puppet mustafa. No wonder he ended as lbrahim.
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Bad decision Suleiman, bad.
As Ibrahim is still his best friend, Suleiman still wanted to show mercy and guide Ibrahim back to the good path. However as we know, it wouldn't work
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@@hussainsultanzada6123 he should have set aghas on Ibrahims side to watch him 24/7 under Ibrahims knowledge , that way he wouldn't dare anything
Ибрагим нарцисс, манипулятор, агрессор, бедная Хатидже, прогнул ее в конец
The real thing is that he got broken from inside when hatice reminded him that he was inferior to her . A husband and man could tolerate everything but disresepct from his lady . Like he said the affair started afterwards , befause that women consider him to be everything for her . As in islam a wife should always be respectulful towards her husband and will not enter jannah if he is not satisfied with her behaviour towards him provided he is also a rightful guy . Here it can be clearly seen that sultanas are disrespectful towards their husbands , especiallt shah habano as well . These shameless sultanas are not representative of the real sultana in this world Hazrat e Fatima r.a who was the daughter of Prophet Muhammad s a.w and is the sultana in jannah yet she was always very respectful towards her husband .