Every great one have weakness but what makes them great is that they can expose your weakness or strengths it didn't matter and im pretty sure the creater of this video cannot do nothing the real "GOATS" did.😂😂😂 Now LeBron played the prime spurs team with a cavs team that really didn't like him but he carried them to the playoffs and finals! Next he played the super team Warriors and that warriors team was just too much really nobody could beat them that year. Until bron came back with Irving and went crazy. The Prime Spurs and Super Team Warriors can beat any other teams in any era lol that's how great them 2 teams was and LeBron didn't play scrubs in the finals like other so called "GOATS" did😂😂
Birds final “healthy” season (84-85) is his statistically best season, yes even better than 85-86. If he was healthier and his teammates didn’t have bad injury luck, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Celtics would have been able to win at least another title and compete in the late 80’s and early 90’s, as if they weren’t already
@@jaycob1830 I'd say 87-88 was his best statistical season, though not by much. He averaged 30 9 and 6 on 50-40-90 splits, and it's the second highest scoring 50-40-90 season ever behind 2016 Curry. The Celtics won 6 fewer games, but it's still just as impressive considering that DJ and Parish had regressed quite a bit at that point. He was definitely still in his prime, he played 39 minutes per game in 76 games
@@Post2k69great video! Not trying to make you feel bad or anything but I’d like to share my opinion on lebron. Only one thing about lebron at the end is even though he was 4-6 he had to face teams like the spurs with kawhi, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobill, and Tim Duncan and then the warriors not to mention he was forced to carry the team in multiple years for example the 2015 nba finals, Kyrie was one of the main scorers and was injuried and not to mention that Kevin Love didn’t even play in the 2015 NBA finals because of a shoulder injury against Boston. So if lebron had better teammates he probably wouldn’t have that record I agree in 2011 he was terrible on the court and it was just outrageous and 2013 Ray Allen saved lebron’s career (I guess?) so 2015 should’ve been a ring, and that would mean he is 5-5 including Ray allen’s shot because history is history but I don’t think with Kyrie and Kevin love both healthy that he’s beating 2017 and 2018 warriors but loved the video just subbed! 🔥🔥🔥
4-6 is such a stupid argument; as it’s impressive that you made it to the finals 10 times. 11:42 His top 3 finals performances are 3 finals he lost because he was playing against the best team ever assembled. If you want to say a 4-6 resume can’t make LeBron the goat, then why do you not talk about Jordan’s first round exits? Well simple, that’s stupid. Jordan carried his bulls to the playoffs, put up insane stats (like scoring the most playoff points) and still losing. After LeBron first 2 finals, he stopped chocking; so the 4-6 isn’t really his fault. (I’m a Jordan fan btw lol)
@@rocbot9479 This is just the typical lebron fan argument 10 finals is impressive but when your coming out of a historically weak conference and on stacked teams it’s not impressive your going to make a lot of finals with those circumstances. That’s why magic and Kareem made so many they were on stacked teams and in that horrid 80’s west. 07 for example that east was putrid garbage. He beat 1 above 500 team and that was the pistons with no Ben Wallace and a new coach. He played the 41-41 wizards with no agent 0 and Caron butler, then the 41-41 nets who were a 6 seed cause the east was so bad. The 5th seed in the west would be the 2nd best team in the east that year. the 51 win 5 seed jazz would have been the 2nd best team in the east had they been there that’s how ass the east was. And it was like that ALOT of years. 2017 he could have won or at least made it more competitive if he hadn’t let KD average 35 on his DOME on 55/47/92 splits nearly 50/50 splits is absurd. he couldn’t guard KD to save his life. But nobody talks about this and just gives excuses for bron like a child And nobody talks about Jordan’s 1st round exits because there first round exits… they were supposed to be loosing as the 8th seed in the first round… Lebron will be on stacked teams, run through a putrid conference then loose. Then get hyped up for running through said weak conference just to loose. And I hope you know saying “ im a fan of ___ “ doesn’t excuse the crap you say
@@miado192 this isn’t real at all most people just ignore the fact or lie about the fact he played in a weak conference on stacked teams which will result in finals trips, again just look at Kareem and magic stacked teams, weak conference = finals trips it’s not that hard.
This might be one of the best basketball videos I’ve ever watched. Short and quick, but packed with information. Also, all the little editing details make it so much better. You’re gonna be up there with JxmyHighroller soon bro. KEEP GRINDING🚀
Dwayne wade chris bosh AD Kyrie are the only all star teemates he had in his prime and dwade and bosh weren’t in there prime they where at the end of theres
@@BobMcarthy tf u mean wasn’t in their prime, d wade averaged a higher ppg then prime Pippen. U didn’t mention Kevin love, Shaq, Melo, Dwight, Allen and much more
1900s was one of the toughest eras💀 Hakeem, Malone, Kobe, Robinson, Barkley, Shaq, P Hardaway, T Hardaway, Gary Peyton, Alonzo, D Wilkins, Kemp, KG, Duncan, Stockton, Clyde, Ainge, Ewing, and John Starks. They are all greats but MJ was much better than all of them.
@@ynk-ike yeah guy cooked himself😂. The depth of talent and all star level players between today and literally any other era is just not even a contest
Lemme fix this :Lebrons comeback in 2016 :MJ’s 3 peat and had a strong era :Kobe was able to win without Shaq Top three all time no question Mj goat btw
@@m.ahmed.y1723Duncan stats vs Kobe as a first option: 21 points, 49% TS Kobe as a first option stats vs Duncan: 29 points, 58% TS (14-5 record) Duncan stats vs Shaq as a first option: 25 points, 54% TS Shaq stats vs Duncan as a first option: 24 points, 54% TS (14-10 record) Nice try, Duncan isn’t on Kobe’s level, slightly lower than Shaq.
To be honest the watered down argument can be said for the 2010s too. They expanded the roster spots from 12 to 18 adding around 192 players to the league.
watered down in the sense of making it easier to be in the league, doesn't make teams weaker though which is what people are talking about with mj's era
mannn you show so much love bro, I really appreciate it. I watch lots of TH-cam tutorials, documentaries, and other creators outside of basketball to get a taste of how they edit and see what I can implement. the editing for this video took a disgusting amount of time haha but I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
His 2016 finals performance and just fewer rings and mvps than magic disqualify him. And don't bring up Magic's performance in 1984 because he redeemed himself in the 1985 finals.
@@Sheistyy10 oh yeah Mr triple-double, Westbrook is my fave rn and I also wanted him to win a ring this year hopefully they become champion this year bcs he is getting old he needed some rings
I DISAGREE 💯with the MJ🐐part. First of all you can’t control when you’re born. It’s not his fault that Magic, Bird and Isiah are all older than him and came into the league before he did. 🤷♂️ And as far as the league being watered down, watered down compared to what? There was NOTHING ELSE! There was no other form of basketball. Also someone won the championship every year. If it was so watered down why nobody else won those 6 times? And every team he faced in the Finals had HOF players. In sports you can only beat the people in front of you. You can’t control what you can’t control, something like league expansion. You just have to play. And NOBODY can tell me that MJ’s gifts and talent wouldn’t have led him to greatness REGARDLESS 💯 He dropped 63 on the World Champion Celtics which is still a playoff record 38 years later. There was no expansion in 1986 when that game took place. Bottom line is this. MJ🐐was special and he was headed for greatness REGARDLESS! And you mentioned what Bird said. Well Larry Bird also called Mike GOD disguised as MJ🐐 after that game.
Who told you that it's fault to be born late than Magic and so on? also he is like Kareem who needed Teammates like Pippen and Rodman... he just carried either. 😅😅
saying 90s are watered down but then you got teams today tanking to get better draft picks. i was not even alive during the 90s but seeing the footage made it seem more difficult to score during that time given how slow the pace is and how much more physical they are compared to other decades of nba basketball. today's nba is much more favored to cater the offense while it was the opposite during the 90s and early 2000s. heck, nba even made carrying and travelling somehow legal to make today's players look good. lol
@@lakpasherpa2994 you talking about pippen and rodman? yes they are great but those players cant carry teams to a chaimpionship as the main guy. they are talented but not on the offensive end. most of the time MJ was the one carrying the offense for the bulls whether off the ball or on the ball while still playing high level defense. talent today is severly overrated. just because they are better 3pt shooters doesnt mean they are way better players than before. rules cater to the offense now. players allowed to take more than 3 steps, allowed to carry the ball and getting and 1s through minor bumps that the offensive player initiated in the first place. bringing back physicality and you see most of the stars today get exposed how much they struggle. whenever playoffs are around, you see a dipped in their production because the nba allow more some of the physicality used back in the day. suddenly some stars are not as good as you think they are. would be so interesting watching today's players get defended by the bad boy pistons or riley's knicks.
It's facts that the 90s were watered down. How is slow pace and physicality related to talent levels? Slower pace and physicality, are conscious decisions by the league at that time, and independent of talent. Similarly, the league decided that more offense centered games is the norm. Nothing to do with talent levels
@@JayZone23No? Introducing physicality will reduce everyones production. When everyone shines a little dimmer, talent still shines just as bright relative to everyone else
The most under rated player of all-time must be Jabbar. Anyone who claims to have had a better basketball career better wake up and slap themselves. With 3 NCAA titles at UCLA and all 3 Naismith awards. He only managed to win a measly 6 NBA MVP's and 6 NBA titles. The disrespect from sport media toward Jabbar has been well documented, and clearly still exist today.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 Bill did not score like Kareem did. No one has! Perhaps you forgot Jabbar has more FG's made than anyone ever. More points, MVP's and college titles than Jordan as well. No one has had the career that Jabbar has, check the stats bruh your straight trippin. Proving my point that too many folks have Jabbar under rated.
this is unironically one of the reasons why lebron IS the goat. on of if not THE biggest reason why he isn’t the goat is because of his losing finals record. that’s impressive. and even more than that his only finals that we really look at as bad is the one where he went against a literal greek god of a player. dirk literally SWEPT the defending champion lakers and steamrolled through everyone. that’s the one series lebron did bad in. the series that a dude literally got a gods blessing to win. lebron made it 10 times. that’s impressive.
Great to see someone being critical towards every potential GOAT. I would be perfectly happy if I didn't invest any second in watching GOAT related statements and compilations because the conclusion would always be the same black screen that reminds me I'm wasting time again. 🍺🍺🍺🍺 Respect!
He's got a point about Jordan the weak teams were very weak but I mean the Spurs the rockets the nicks the Cavs there were a lot of good teams back then.
When addressing claims about a "weak" era, you can assert that Michael Jordan’s success with only one primary All-Star, Scottie Pippen, highlights his exceptional individual talent and ability to lead his team to greatness under competitive conditions. This perspective underscores that Jordan's achievements are significant and reflective of his extraordinary skill and impact, regardless of the era's perceived strength. Michael Jordan’s combination of fundamentally sound skills and extraordinary athleticism, coupled with his high basketball IQ, made him a uniquely complete player. His fundamental skills allowed him to excel in various aspects of the game, while his athleticism provided him with the edge to outperform defenders. His basketball IQ enabled him to make smart decisions and maximize his impact on both ends of the floor. Together, these qualities made Jordan not just a great player, but arguably the greatest of all time. Respect the Goat!!
They watered down the league with other NBA players from other teams, and those team you mentioned were in the playoffs shortly after they were made as teams. Only two teams sucked, Grizzlies and Raptors.
@@KingoftheLions-z87 Michael, Pippen, and Rodman still had to face the best of the best the nba had to offer. Karl Malone and John Stockton were the BEST pick and roll duo in NBA HISTORY! Stop it
The arguement of Jordan not being the GOAT could be just Jordan didnt play for 5 seasons where he could still be very effective in the NBA. He missed 1994, majority of 1995, 1999-2001 season. This might be the main reason why Lebron and Jordan debate was so close because Jordan retired when he could still be playing on an elite level while Lebron longevity is the best I think we would see in our lifetimes
Jordan did the right thing retiring in 98. He was still the best player in the world in 98, but Pippen and Rodman had already started declining. Pippen's scoring declined after 98 since his injury and Rodman started playing reduced minutes starting 98. The Bulls was considered by many as the underdog that year but Jordan made it work. If he kept playing, he would have gone back to his status in the 80s where he performed exceptionally well but his team would keep losing.
2:43 How tf does that affect the top tier teams? I seriously hate this false narrative that adding teams somehow makes championships weaker. If 5 High School teams were added to the NBA tomorrow, it won't make winning a championship any easier. The top 8 teams from each conference still make the playoffs, the bottom feeding teams will still be bottom feeding. 3:36 MJ still whooped him before his retirement. If he didn't retire, Jordan would still beat the Lakers. Casuals try to push this silly narrative that Magic was out of his prime or something. No.. 91' was one of his better seasons, he literally just won MVP the season prior. In 91' he was All NBA 1st Team, and came 2nd in MVP right behind MJ. 3:40 Bird was already losing to the Pistons by the late 80s. 3:45 Once Jordan got a 1 single developed allstar teammate. The Pistons weren't a threat. People need to understand that the only reason these teams were beating Jordan in the 80s is cause Jordan was on a garbage lottery team with teammates who couldn't even dream of making an allstar team for their entire career. Give Jordan even a decent team and he beats Birds Celtics, Magics Lakers, and Isiah Pistons even if all 3 teams joined together into ONE SUPERTEAM. We literally have evidence of this when Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullen, Alvin Robertson, etc whooped an NBA Allstar team that was a combination of the Celtics, Pistons, and Lakers *8-0* 3:48 Len Bias wouldn't have been on Jordan's level. He had good talent but not the work ethic or mindset. While Jordan was improving year by year through rigorous training and playing. Len was out partying and doing drugs. 4:08 It's tough to become an all time greats when Jordan is the one winning everything. Such a poor argument by a clear casual.
@@Yooojayy See, the thing about butthurt casuals like yourself is, you're actually unable to give a rebuttal to anything I said, so you just say pathetic nonsense like "hE dOnT kNo YoU!!!1 u WrOnG!!" cause you're coping.
@@FiddleclappedThe jazz were absolutely a challenge lmao. They had prime malone and stockton, and were arguably the favourites to win, especially in 98, when pippen and rodman were in decline.
@@angrypepe7615 acting like rodman didnt say that when the bulls played they were in a watered down era 😭😭🙏the best player itl was on the bulls and the 2nd best player itl was scottie pippen
Magic was a rookie when he won his first title so that does not hurt Kareem and lebron being 4-6 lacks context.2015 kyrie and love got injured and 2017-2018 the warriors had kd and stacked the deck. Even draymond said they weren't going to beat the Cavs without kd
Jordan’s bulls were a 50+ win and second round team without him, and the only reason they won when he came back was because they got Horace grant back who filled out their weak center issue
@_M1-9 also imagine all Brons team without him will they win a championship? I think Miami has chance but Cavs and Lakers I don't think they will ever win a ring
@@_M1-9 not to mention the bulls lost by 10 in a game 7, which the Knicks ended up going to the finals and also lost in 7 to Hakeem, if the ball fell the right way the bulls could’ve very realistically made a finals appearance without Jordan
The competition is good but his only big L is vs mavs. He carried a trash team on his early career but got beaten by stronger team. The warriors in 2015 is good competition but his teamates got injured and got no help and the 2017-2018 warriors is just unfair bruh. Just my perspective how crazy to do it in era like this where the skills and talents cant be compared on older era
watered down era arg for Jordan is kind of dumb. the main reason being while his competition was not the same it was still good. Shaq, Karl Malone, Patrick, Stockton and plenty of other Hof level players. yes the league did lose greats but it was still decent and of that time Michael Jordan got mvps over people like those. Hof players. he did not get "lucky" even though he was better off by no means was it watered down. it was still great and Jordan dominated the 90s which is why he is the best. how about that time he won mvp in the 1987 to 88 which was when magic and bird were doing amazing. that same season he was dpoty, got his second scoring title and was an all star. he was doing exceptionally well in the 80s and that was not his prime. he came second in mvp voting in 88 to 89. in 90 to 91 he won mvp over David Robinson, magic Johnson(Non prime) and Charles Barkley. He also carried a dogcrap bulls to to the playoffs onwards from 1985 until Scottie Pippen came and then plenty more where by that time the bulls would not be bad by itself (without Jordan). but they still needed Jordan. here is the roster for the 93 to 94 season where the bulls did not have Jordan. Armstrong, BJ Blount, Corie Cartwright, Bill English, Jo Jo Grant Horace Johnson, Dave Kerr, Steve Kukoc, Toni Longley, Luc Myers, Pete Paxson, John Perdue, Will Pippen, Scottie Wennington, Bill Williams, Scott .....It was a good team but without Michael they did not make it past the conference semifinals in 7 against the knicks. Then in the 96 season which was the bulls best season and one of the most dominant teams their competition was the Seattle supersonics which had: Gary Payton and Shawn kemp leading the team. two top players Askew Vincent Brickowski, Frank Ford, Sherell Hawkins, Hersey Johnson, Ervin McMillan, Nate Perkins, Sam Scheffler, Steve Schrempf, Detlef Snow, Eric Wingate, David were the rest of the roster, now this finals went to six in the end Jordan and the bulls prevailing. now imagine Jordan was not there, the outcome would have been different. Scottie Pippen and Dennis (while being the best rebounder), that was it. so them two against Gary Peyton and Shawn kemp would not be favorable. however Jordan led the team in points two times in that finals while Dennis was an x factor leading that finals in rebounds. however again that shows that Dennis is the greatest rebounder while Michael Jordan leads in point averages as well that finals. Jordan is goated and I'm doing this for fun so don't really mind me. just speaking some of my mind and personally think that there could be a better argument ig but nice vid.
Prime Michael Jordan would teabag LeBron. LeBron ain't quick, they part way for him. Jordan had to earn his stats under actual pressure. Jordan and LeBron is like Patek Philippe and Rolex. Jordan keep LeBron in check.
this is how i view it, there will never be a goat, the era and game changes and the players continue to make history every day. the circumstances make it almost impossible to figure out a goat...
jordan was the leading scorer of the league each year he won a championship, 6 times. Only 4 other people have been the leading scorer at the same year they won a championship, and only one of those 4 did it more than 1 time, just twice. That stat alone and also the spectacle of watching him play as his style is one of the best showcases of athletic ability and skill in the history of sports, makes him the goat of hooping. but MY goat/favourite player is Kareem Abdul Jabaar
I get it’s your opinion but at least during his mvp seasons, Bird was BY FAR the best player in the league. His lethal scoring, clutchness, and will for the game was unmatched. Magic had Kareem, and was a bit shakey at times. He would mess up in big moments, especially from 82-86. Bird was the man who wanted to take the final shot, and most of the time, it was going in
Jordan would dominate in today’s NBA too. He is the greatest player in NBA history. There is no debate, or at least there shouldn’t be. He is the greatest offensive player to ever play, and to be honest one of the greatest defensive players as well. He has won many awards for defense, not just offense. So, I’ll say once again. There is no debate. It doesn’t mean that Lebron, Kobe, and others mentioned aren’t amazing players, because they absolutely are, but Jordan is just on another level.
I’m not sure MJ just got lucky. 1) Magic retired in 92 then came back in 96 before officially retiring. Magic came off b2b seasons (89-90) as the NBA mvp when playing against the Bulls in the 91 Finals. Magic made All NBA 1st team and finished 2nd in MVP voting to Jordan while leading the Lakers to 58 wins. He got locked up by MJ and Scottie and they won in 5. 2) Isiah and the Bad Boys got swept by the Bulls in 91 ECF, unfortunate injuries to Isiah brought an end to his career during MJ’s first retirement (1994). Isiah explained in the Bad Boys 30 for 30 that he’d given everything to the game and that was a sign for him to leave. He did his damage to Jordan til that whole team matured in 91. Isiah and several other players admitted that it reminded them of themselves when they finally beat the Celtics. 3) Bird suffered back problems but had already beat up on Jordan in the playoffs when Jordan was THE lone superstar. 4) I can’t speak for expansion but you play with the hand your dealt. Jordan got beat by a Shaq/Penny Magic team in the ECSF in 95 when Jordan came back out of retirement. It also took him beating the Pacers/Knicks til game 7 to win multiple ECFs. 5) if it was so easy then he should’ve swept all his Finals opponents in 4 games, that didn’t happen though since he won in (5 against Lakers) 6. He played Utah 2x with Karl Malone having just won MVP in 97, and the Jazz having the best record in 98. Jordan won the Bulls their last ring himself since Scottie had back problems, clutched up the last minutes of game 6 in 98.
Great well thought breakdown video. My Goat MJ got exposed. All I can say is MJ took the advantages of dominating his era and won 6 championships out of the process. He’s just one of the greats.
Im gonna defend Jordan case rq 1991- Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Vlade Divac, Sam Perkins 1992- Clyde Drexler, Kevin Porter, Jerome Kersey, Buck Williams 1993- Charles Barkley, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle 1996- Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins 1997, 1998 - Karl Malone, John Stockton, Jeff Hornacek Jordan's supporting cast during the 1991-1993 championships was centered around Scottie Pippen, who was the essential second star, with Horace Grant providing inside toughness, and John Paxson and B.J. Armstrong offering perimeter shooting and spacing. This balanced team effort allowed Jordan to shine while having the necessary support to win three straight titles. Across the 1996-1998 championships, Scottie Pippen remained Jordan’s most essential teammate, despite injuries in 1998. Dennis Rodman dominated the boards and played elite defense, particularly against stars like Karl Malone. Toni Kukoč provided offensive versatility, and Ron Harper, Steve Kerr, and others played key supporting roles, particularly with their defense and shooting. This strong supporting cast allowed Jordan and the Bulls to claim their second three-peat. Jordan's team wouldn't be able to win without him, and his team wouldnt have won without him. He was the main reason why they won, as shown in 94' & 95', the bulls werent able to win anything.
Pippen had his best and most efficient years under Jordan, he never averaged above 50% FG in a season without Jordan, only made 1 All-Star team without Jordan, was mediocre at best during his first few seasons (including his rookie year where he came off the bench averaging 8 ppg), played very inconsistently during the Bulls' 2nd 3 peat, and regularly disappeared against the Bad Boy Pistons. Magic had top 5 player of all time Kareem and James Worthy who was better than Pippen. Kareem had two of the top 5 PGs, Magic and Oscar. Wilt had Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Hal Greer, and Gail Goodrich. Bill Russell had multiple HOFers on his stacked teams. Bird had McHale who was better than Ppppen in his prime and Robert Parish. Kobe had prime Shaq, who had a top 3 prime ever and Pau Gasol. Shaq had Kobe and Wade. LeBron had Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Kevin Love, and a prime AD. Duncan had Parker, Ginobli, and young but still solid Kawhi Leonard, Curry and Durant played with multiple stars. In reality, Jordan had less help than pretty much any consensus top 12 player outside of maybe Hakeem Olajuwon.
@@HugoSoup57 so much false narratives, but I wont get into details as time is money. Jordan never ever won a championship without pip. Pip without Jordan had more success in terms of basketball than MJ without Pip, facts!
YOU GAVE YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT WHY THESE PLAYERS ARE NOT THE GOAT BUT YOU SITTING ON THE FENCE ON YOUR OPINION WHO THE GOAT IS , ALSO TO AD TO MY POINT EVERY SINGLE PLAYERS ON THIS LIST HAS TASTED DEFEAT IN THE FINALS EXCEPT JORDAN, AND I HATE JORDAN AND HAVE BEEN A LAKERS FAN SINCE 83 .
Kobe was not getting by Shaq and was robbed kobe average 29.4 ppg 7.6 rebound 6.1 assist shap average 30.1 ppg 15.4rebound 2.1 assist as you see Kobe Holds his own and Kobe was robbed out of 3 mvps 2003 2006 2007 he 100% deserve 2008 and arguably 2013 thank you very much Kobe is the goat
Really great video, I don’t like seeing the hate in so many NBA comment sections, especially with toxic channels like skap attack, you’re a refreshing change of pace. You earned a sub!
Saying Michaels era was watered down is a joke. Even if there were new teams still developing he still had to beat the best of the best the NBA had to offer to win the championship. Karl Malone and John Stockton were THE BEST PICK AND ROLL DUO IN NBA HISTORY and they still couldn't beat Michael. You didn't expose Michael, you made a bunch of jokes, it would've fit the mood better with clown music in the background
@@jayso-z6i Are you braindead? 'Karl makin' averaged 25 through his career, instead of trying to undermine an opinion superior to yours how about you fix that grammar. It's not spelled "ur" it's "your". You little kid.
@@jayso-z6i This "Karl makin" guy you are talking about averaged 25 points per game throughout his career, and won several MVPs over Jordan. Instead of challenging a well thought out and developed opinion with utter garbage how about you start learning how to spell correctly. It's spelled "Your" not "ur"...
Here is a list of All-Star teammates Lebron has had: Shaquille O'Neal, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Kyle Korver, Derrick Rose, Isaiah Thomas, Ray Allen, Antawn Jamison, Anthony Davis, D'Angelo Russell, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, not to mention NBA 6th Man Of The Year JR Smith. BTW, Michael Jordan played with ONE All-Star - Scotty Pippen.
Michael Jordan was not weak. He wasn’t strong either, but he was very mean to fans and Kobe is not selfish. She is a little rude but for good reasons and LeBron James is arrogant.
Micheal Jordan did not get lucky because he had magic and bird in his rookie season and he had Karl Mallon John Stockton and a lot more hall of fames and even godly centres such as mutumbo and hakeem so major is the goat
Damn saying that 90's a weak competition is biased, yeah there might be weak teams but it was the bottom teams. Im ngl that's also my first impression before watching some of there games, but when I see how they play the physicality is too much compared to the present NBA that with slightest tap is a foul now. But I'm not saying the 90's were better I also enjoys watching the games now. It would be better if we stop this debate since it's always a different pools of talents in each era we really can't compare them accurately.
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So Thanasis the goat?
yes
Obviously
duh
Yes...a scapegoat. 🤣
Yess sirrr
I don’t see Killian Hayes getting exposed, I know my GOAT 😤
He got nothing over Thanasis 😤
My sultan Brian scalabrine would smoke all these guys😤
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Nah he got nothing over Kleber. Kleber averages like 5 points cant beat that.
Y’all don’t know Popeyes Jones, 6’8 and can’t dunk
I saw my own reflection at the end of the video, extremely humbled and honored to be your goat
Every great one have weakness but what makes them great is that they can expose your weakness or strengths it didn't matter and im pretty sure the creater of this video cannot do nothing the real "GOATS" did.😂😂😂
Now LeBron played the prime spurs team with a cavs team that really didn't like him but he carried them to the playoffs and finals!
Next he played the super team Warriors and that warriors team was just too much really nobody could beat them that year. Until bron came back with Irving and went crazy. The Prime Spurs and Super Team Warriors can beat any other teams in any era lol that's how great them 2 teams was and LeBron didn't play scrubs in the finals like other so called "GOATS" did😂😂
unfortunate is the perfect description for birds career. A healthy Larry would have been an even bigger menace
You could also argue that he wouldn't be seen as a top performer if he didn't do what he needed to do.
Birds final “healthy” season (84-85) is his statistically best season, yes even better than 85-86. If he was healthier and his teammates didn’t have bad injury luck, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Celtics would have been able to win at least another title and compete in the late 80’s and early 90’s, as if they weren’t already
@@jaycob1830 I'd say 87-88 was his best statistical season, though not by much. He averaged 30 9 and 6 on 50-40-90 splits, and it's the second highest scoring 50-40-90 season ever behind 2016 Curry. The Celtics won 6 fewer games, but it's still just as impressive considering that DJ and Parish had regressed quite a bit at that point. He was definitely still in his prime, he played 39 minutes per game in 76 games
Imagine a health Celtics team they would have had Reggie Lewis, Len bias, and Larry bird, they could have won another 5 rings together
@@revakriid Larry didn't injured himself in basketball..he injured his back carrying cement for their driveway or so i read
Notice how he didn't even mention Brian scalabrine so as not to dirty his holy name 🔥
So consensus goat is Tim Duncan only goat canidate with no flaws or asteriks.
exactly
Stats don’t mean everything 🤨
@@Post2k69great video! Not trying to make you feel bad or anything but I’d like to share my opinion on lebron. Only one thing about lebron at the end is even though he was 4-6 he had to face teams like the spurs with kawhi, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobill, and Tim Duncan and then the warriors not to mention he was forced to carry the team in multiple years for example the 2015 nba finals, Kyrie was one of the main scorers and was injuried and not to mention that Kevin Love didn’t even play in the 2015 NBA finals because of a shoulder injury against Boston. So if lebron had better teammates he probably wouldn’t have that record I agree in 2011 he was terrible on the court and it was just outrageous and 2013 Ray Allen saved lebron’s career (I guess?) so 2015 should’ve been a ring, and that would mean he is 5-5 including Ray allen’s shot because history is history but I don’t think with Kyrie and Kevin love both healthy that he’s beating 2017 and 2018 warriors but loved the video just subbed! 🔥🔥🔥
Too much help
Advanced stats will you David Robinson was lowkey better
4-6 is such a stupid argument; as it’s impressive that you made it to the finals 10 times. 11:42 His top 3 finals performances are 3 finals he lost because he was playing against the best team ever assembled. If you want to say a 4-6 resume can’t make LeBron the goat, then why do you not talk about Jordan’s first round exits? Well simple, that’s stupid. Jordan carried his bulls to the playoffs, put up insane stats (like scoring the most playoff points) and still losing. After LeBron first 2 finals, he stopped chocking; so the 4-6 isn’t really his fault. (I’m a Jordan fan btw lol)
Real as a kd fan
That’s what I’m saying bro
We do talk about Jordan first round loses 😭😭😭 if you are a so called “Jordan fan” you should know thats what Lebron Fans always say
@@rocbot9479 This is just the typical lebron fan argument
10 finals is impressive but when your coming out of a historically weak conference and on stacked teams it’s not impressive your going to make a lot of finals with those circumstances. That’s why magic and Kareem made so many they were on stacked teams and in that horrid 80’s west.
07 for example that east was putrid garbage. He beat 1 above 500 team and that was the pistons with no Ben Wallace and a new coach. He played the 41-41 wizards with no agent 0 and Caron butler, then the 41-41 nets who were a 6 seed cause the east was so bad. The 5th seed in the west would be the 2nd best team in the east that year. the 51 win 5 seed jazz would have been the 2nd best team in the east had they been there that’s how ass the east was. And it was like that ALOT of years.
2017 he could have won or at least made it more competitive if he hadn’t let KD average 35 on his DOME on 55/47/92 splits nearly 50/50 splits is absurd. he couldn’t guard KD to save his life. But nobody talks about this and just gives excuses for bron like a child
And nobody talks about Jordan’s 1st round exits because there first round exits… they were supposed to be loosing as the 8th seed in the first round… Lebron will be on stacked teams, run through a putrid conference then loose. Then get hyped up for running through said weak conference just to loose. And I hope you know saying “ im a fan of ___ “ doesn’t excuse the crap you say
@@miado192 this isn’t real at all most people just ignore the fact or lie about the fact he played in a weak conference on stacked teams which will result in finals trips, again just look at Kareem and magic stacked teams, weak conference = finals trips it’s not that hard.
This might be one of the best basketball videos I’ve ever watched. Short and quick, but packed with information. Also, all the little editing details make it so much better. You’re gonna be up there with JxmyHighroller soon bro. KEEP GRINDING🚀
I appreciate the kind words man - means a lot :)
Ironic. One guy's opinion, about other people's opinions. Conclusion, there is no such thing as a perfect person/player. Shocking!
So u don't know thanasis
There is one perfect person and his name was Jesus
@@SimplyCIutch Was he a point guard or center?
@@SimplyCIutchis he a person?
Point GOD@@chrisbrooks6756
Lebron went 4-6 yeah, but are we going to disregard that he was up against literally the avengers of basketball for most part
Name me all of his all star teammates he had his entire career
Dwayne wade chris bosh AD Kyrie are the only all star teemates he had in his prime and dwade and bosh weren’t in there prime they where at the end of theres
@Mrgome-w7v
Mj ain’t gonna do anything against 2018 golden state with jr smith iman shumpert and Tristan Thompson 💀💀
@@BobMcarthy tf u mean wasn’t in their prime, d wade averaged a higher ppg then prime Pippen. U didn’t mention Kevin love, Shaq, Melo, Dwight, Allen and much more
@@UbaidAlMalim I’m sry your goat got swept 🧹
thumbnail clean, video even cleaner. 10/10 this one gonna get A LOT of views; might break the million mark even.
appreciate the love bro
erm 14k
@@Post2k69does this mean Tim Duncan is the goat?
muggsy bogues stands on top
on top of wemby's shoulders
Metaphorically speaking? 😂😂
@@SeanLee-wk6xm both
FAX
@@Post2k69what about curry
1900s was one of the toughest eras💀 Hakeem, Malone, Kobe, Robinson, Barkley, Shaq, P Hardaway, T Hardaway, Gary Peyton, Alonzo, D Wilkins, Kemp, KG, Duncan, Stockton, Clyde, Ainge, Ewing, and John Starks. They are all greats but MJ was much better than all of them.
Ok sure pal
Putting Danny ainge and John starks in the same convo as the rest of these players is wild. Also u forgot grant hill and Tim hardaway
@@ynk-ike yeah guy cooked himself😂. The depth of talent and all star level players between today and literally any other era is just not even a contest
Half that list were 2000s. KG, Duncan and Kobe
Danny Ainge is really a name you listed 💀💀💀
Only thing 90s had were Centers. That's it...
Underrated as hell W video bro keep it up
appreciate that bro :)
I Don't see Thanasis 😤 He the real Goat
I think you're getting Thanasis confused with Thanos.
@@buzzerbeater3350LOL
Didn’t see curry guess he’s the goat
He is not even a top 10 player bro
@@McklienDela-md5bphow is he not top ten
Lemme fix this
:Lebrons comeback in 2016
:MJ’s 3 peat and had a strong era
:Kobe was able to win without Shaq
Top three all time no question
Mj goat btw
lol timmy d is better than kobe
@@m.ahmed.y1723 me when I say dumb shit online
@@m.ahmed.y1723Timmy D aint even better than Shaq lol
@@Mysterion907 if shaq better than duncan than shaq is also better than kobe
@@m.ahmed.y1723Duncan stats vs Kobe as a first option: 21 points, 49% TS
Kobe as a first option stats vs Duncan: 29 points, 58% TS (14-5 record)
Duncan stats vs Shaq as a first option: 25 points, 54% TS
Shaq stats vs Duncan as a first option: 24 points, 54% TS (14-10 record)
Nice try, Duncan isn’t on Kobe’s level, slightly lower than Shaq.
There’s nothing to expose about my king AI
0 championships don't even say no help cuz kawhi
@@sol-ng9go Ai never played with Kawhi
@@Chaotic-yy8nt Yeah i meant like kawhi basically had no help
@@sol-ng9go mb but for his first ring he had the goat pf but 2 he carried his team
@@Chaotic-yy8nt 0 chips with worse efficiency than kobe is crazy
To be honest the watered down argument can be said for the 2010s too. They expanded the roster spots from 12 to 18 adding around 192 players to the league.
actually it can't because the kd warriors and spurs existed
@@sportstalkonly1442 Lmao 😂
watered down in the sense of making it easier to be in the league, doesn't make teams weaker though which is what people are talking about with mj's era
@@hmmmmmm6901 what's funny?
😭😭
LaMelo LaFrance Ball didnt get roasted here. Goat☝🏻
hes not in the convo (I get the sarcasm)
saying the 90s is a watered down era is crazy cuz of expansion
Stop being biased and nostalgic. It was watered down
It's usually the youngsters that say the 90s were watered down. People who were around to watch the games know it wasn't.
@@NathanWhyte-m8l that is just not true. how where they washed?
bruh Dennis Rodman said himself, it's not something the young generation came up with
@@vihaananish4268 i mean i would not say it's watered. it was still close to being as good as the 80s tbh
Your content is always so good my guy, where did you learn to edit btw? your storytelling is incredible but your editing is ridiculous
Found both of you guys at the same time. Both great content creators
@@xoirvinn Appreciate that my guy, Post makes bangers for sure
mannn you show so much love bro, I really appreciate it. I watch lots of TH-cam tutorials, documentaries, and other creators outside of basketball to get a taste of how they edit and see what I can implement. the editing for this video took a disgusting amount of time haha but I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Curry is the goat point gaurd
Better than lebron all time and I don’t care what anyone says 😂💯
His 2016 finals performance and just fewer rings and mvps than magic disqualify him. And don't bring up Magic's performance in 1984 because he redeemed himself in the 1985 finals.
Ye curry is a good point guard but I think chris paul is better
@@gabrielquezada7492 I feel like curry and cp still got time don’t forget about westbrook even if jokic will carry the team
@@Sheistyy10 oh yeah Mr triple-double, Westbrook is my fave rn and I also wanted him to win a ring this year hopefully they become champion this year bcs he is getting old he needed some rings
So, I agree there's no basketball goat. There's goats for each generation and lets just leave it like that. Please.
good work m'boy, i have high hopes for your channel young man
OMG THANK YOU LEBRON! I'm a big fan
I DISAGREE 💯with the MJ🐐part. First of all you can’t control when you’re born. It’s not his fault that Magic, Bird and Isiah are all older than him and came into the league before he did. 🤷♂️ And as far as the league being watered down, watered down compared to what? There was NOTHING ELSE! There was no other form of basketball. Also someone won the championship every year. If it was so watered down why nobody else won those 6 times? And every team he faced in the Finals had HOF players. In sports you can only beat the people in front of you. You can’t control what you can’t control, something like league expansion. You just have to play. And NOBODY can tell me that MJ’s gifts and talent wouldn’t have led him to greatness REGARDLESS 💯 He dropped 63 on the World Champion Celtics which is still a playoff record 38 years later. There was no expansion in 1986 when that game took place. Bottom line is this. MJ🐐was special and he was headed for greatness REGARDLESS! And you mentioned what Bird said. Well Larry Bird also called Mike GOD disguised as MJ🐐 after that game.
Facts
Blah blah blah he isnt the goat it was a ass era dont use nostalgia as a goat case
90s era was still trash u can literally check the rosters of the 90s lol
chill lol. nobody faulting MJ, everybody just saying the odds were in his favor, it is what it is.
Who told you that it's fault to be born late than Magic and so on? also he is like Kareem who needed Teammates like Pippen and Rodman... he just carried either. 😅😅
saying 90s are watered down but then you got teams today tanking to get better draft picks.
i was not even alive during the 90s but seeing the footage made it seem more difficult to score during that time given how slow the pace is and how much more physical they are compared to other decades of nba basketball.
today's nba is much more favored to cater the offense while it was the opposite during the 90s and early 2000s. heck, nba even made carrying and travelling somehow legal to make today's players look good. lol
Facts.
But still its the same dude mj had 2 all time greats by his side
And the talent level between 90s and today are not even close
@@lakpasherpa2994 you talking about pippen and rodman? yes they are great but those players cant carry teams to a chaimpionship as the main guy. they are talented but not on the offensive end. most of the time MJ was the one carrying the offense for the bulls whether off the ball or on the ball while still playing high level defense.
talent today is severly overrated. just because they are better 3pt shooters doesnt mean they are way better players than before. rules cater to the offense now. players allowed to take more than 3 steps, allowed to carry the ball and getting and 1s through minor bumps that the offensive player initiated in the first place.
bringing back physicality and you see most of the stars today get exposed how much they struggle. whenever playoffs are around, you see a dipped in their production because the nba allow more some of the physicality used back in the day. suddenly some stars are not as good as you think they are.
would be so interesting watching today's players get defended by the bad boy pistons or riley's knicks.
It's facts that the 90s were watered down. How is slow pace and physicality related to talent levels? Slower pace and physicality, are conscious decisions by the league at that time, and independent of talent. Similarly, the league decided that more offense centered games is the norm. Nothing to do with talent levels
@@JayZone23No? Introducing physicality will reduce everyones production. When everyone shines a little dimmer, talent still shines just as bright relative to everyone else
I don’t see dirk nowitzki getting exposed, I see my GOAT
Jxmy esque quality vid
thank you bro :)
pro editor here imo, this guy better at editing and everything else is up to par if not better, post will be really big one day
I don’t see Brian Scalabrine getting exposed, I guess he’s the GOAT.
The most under rated player of all-time must be Jabbar. Anyone who claims to have had a better basketball career better wake up and slap themselves. With 3 NCAA titles at UCLA and all 3 Naismith awards. He only managed to win a measly 6 NBA MVP's and 6 NBA titles. The disrespect from sport media toward Jabbar has been well documented, and clearly still exist today.
Kareem knows he ain't the damn goat!! Bill Russell had a better career than him and He Knows a old one leg Wilt Chamberlain locked him up!!!!
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 Bill did not score like Kareem did. No one has! Perhaps you forgot Jabbar has more FG's made than anyone ever. More points, MVP's and college titles than Jordan as well. No one has had the career that Jabbar has, check the stats bruh your straight trippin. Proving my point that too many folks have Jabbar under rated.
this is unironically one of the reasons why lebron IS the goat. on of if not THE biggest reason why he isn’t the goat is because of his losing finals record. that’s impressive. and even more than that his only finals that we really look at as bad is the one where he went against a literal greek god of a player. dirk literally SWEPT the defending champion lakers and steamrolled through everyone. that’s the one series lebron did bad in. the series that a dude literally got a gods blessing to win. lebron made it 10 times. that’s impressive.
His GOAT is MJ cuz is the one that most apeared at final seconds and the video is 12:23 long(MJ)
no one cares
@@TheNukistit’s actually interesting
Who says that’s his goat?
its actually 12:24 KOBEEE
@@Mjandbros he doesn’t have an argument to be the greatest.
Great to see someone being critical towards every potential GOAT. I would be perfectly happy if I didn't invest any second in watching GOAT related statements and compilations because the conclusion would always be the same black screen that reminds me I'm wasting time again.
🍺🍺🍺🍺
Respect!
Make a part 2 with Tim, Shaq, Hakeem, Steph & KD
Hakeem??????????!!!!!!
None of those besides Shaq are legitimate candidates
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@@d3adyoutubeaccount for GOAT? Shaq? absolutely not
@@PackerKeely31067 Shaq has a higher case than Tim lol.
He's got a point about Jordan the weak teams were very weak but I mean the Spurs the rockets the nicks the Cavs there were a lot of good teams back then.
Sorry but MJ carried the bulls for a while until they got Scottie and Rodman but MJ still did most of the work
Carried them to the first round exit
When addressing claims about a "weak" era, you can assert that Michael Jordan’s success with only one primary All-Star, Scottie Pippen, highlights his exceptional individual talent and ability to lead his team to greatness under competitive conditions. This perspective underscores that Jordan's achievements are significant and reflective of his extraordinary skill and impact, regardless of the era's perceived strength.
Michael Jordan’s combination of fundamentally sound skills and extraordinary athleticism, coupled with his high basketball IQ, made him a uniquely complete player. His fundamental skills allowed him to excel in various aspects of the game, while his athleticism provided him with the edge to outperform defenders. His basketball IQ enabled him to make smart decisions and maximize his impact on both ends of the floor. Together, these qualities made Jordan not just a great player, but arguably the greatest of all time. Respect the Goat!!
They watered down the league with other NBA players from other teams, and those team you mentioned were in the playoffs shortly after they were made as teams. Only two teams sucked, Grizzlies and Raptors.
Those teams sucked lol stop it
@@KingoftheLions-z87 Did either one of those Teams make the playoffs in the 90s? Yeah, shut up.
@@KingoftheLions-z87 Michael, Pippen, and Rodman still had to face the best of the best the nba had to offer. Karl Malone and John Stockton were the BEST pick and roll duo in NBA HISTORY! Stop it
@@BenjaminJ707 stockton and malone. C'mon dawg.........
Also he had Kucoc and Grant
@@mjsup1 Every team in the 90's either fell off from the 80's or sucked
This channel is so good bro. You should be having like 500k your editing and video style great
means lot man thank you :)
The arguement of Jordan not being the GOAT could be just Jordan didnt play for 5 seasons where he could still be very effective in the NBA. He missed 1994, majority of 1995, 1999-2001 season. This might be the main reason why Lebron and Jordan debate was so close because Jordan retired when he could still be playing on an elite level while Lebron longevity is the best I think we would see in our lifetimes
Jordan did the right thing retiring in 98. He was still the best player in the world in 98, but Pippen and Rodman had already started declining. Pippen's scoring declined after 98 since his injury and Rodman started playing reduced minutes starting 98. The Bulls was considered by many as the underdog that year but Jordan made it work. If he kept playing, he would have gone back to his status in the 80s where he performed exceptionally well but his team would keep losing.
@@techfreakjames greatly said
Yeah it’s pretty simple. Jordan quite the league 3x. He ain’t know what to do with himself. So he left the door open to be surpassed.
See how he didnt bring up the player with the highest win percentage all time. MY GOAT! YOUR GOAT! DRAYMOND GREEN!!!!!
THE DONKEY
that’s something i always wondered when i was younger is why isn’t kobe ever mentioned as the goat
Nah Kobe is always mentionned as the goat
@@Rosaa_dlo He’s my fav player, but he’s unfortunately not in the goat convo
Can't wait, years down the line perhaps there will be a "Exposing Every NBA TH-camR GOAT"
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2:43 How tf does that affect the top tier teams? I seriously hate this false narrative that adding teams somehow makes championships weaker. If 5 High School teams were added to the NBA tomorrow, it won't make winning a championship any easier. The top 8 teams from each conference still make the playoffs, the bottom feeding teams will still be bottom feeding.
3:36 MJ still whooped him before his retirement. If he didn't retire, Jordan would still beat the Lakers. Casuals try to push this silly narrative that Magic was out of his prime or something. No.. 91' was one of his better seasons, he literally just won MVP the season prior. In 91' he was All NBA 1st Team, and came 2nd in MVP right behind MJ.
3:40 Bird was already losing to the Pistons by the late 80s.
3:45 Once Jordan got a 1 single developed allstar teammate. The Pistons weren't a threat.
People need to understand that the only reason these teams were beating Jordan in the 80s is cause Jordan was on a garbage lottery team with teammates who couldn't even dream of making an allstar team for their entire career. Give Jordan even a decent team and he beats Birds Celtics, Magics Lakers, and Isiah Pistons even if all 3 teams joined together into ONE SUPERTEAM. We literally have evidence of this when Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullen, Alvin Robertson, etc whooped an NBA Allstar team that was a combination of the Celtics, Pistons, and Lakers *8-0*
3:48 Len Bias wouldn't have been on Jordan's level. He had good talent but not the work ethic or mindset. While Jordan was improving year by year through rigorous training and playing. Len was out partying and doing drugs.
4:08 It's tough to become an all time greats when Jordan is the one winning everything.
Such a poor argument by a clear casual.
Yeah the whole "got lucky" section for MJ made me lose trust in what this dude says
Gawk gawk gawk he doesn’t know u
@@Yooojayy aww do the facts upset you? Need a tissue?
@@libfit9068 no ur just wrong 🤣
@@Yooojayy See, the thing about butthurt casuals like yourself is, you're actually unable to give a rebuttal to anything I said, so you just say pathetic nonsense like "hE dOnT kNo YoU!!!1 u WrOnG!!" cause you're coping.
The hating on my GOAT is crazy 😭🙏🏾
Bro acting like mj didn’t have a challenge 😂
mj didnt tho?
MJ didn't he was the challenge
@@FiddleclappedThe jazz were absolutely a challenge lmao. They had prime malone and stockton, and were arguably the favourites to win, especially in 98, when pippen and rodman were in decline.
@@angrypepe7615 acting like rodman didnt say that when the bulls played they were in a watered down era 😭😭🙏the best player itl was on the bulls and the 2nd best player itl was scottie pippen
@@Fiddleclapped haha so scottie pippen was better than shaq, malone, robinson, hakeem, barkley and dominique wilkins?
Magic was a rookie when he won his first title so that does not hurt Kareem and lebron being 4-6 lacks context.2015 kyrie and love got injured and 2017-2018 the warriors had kd and stacked the deck. Even draymond said they weren't going to beat the Cavs without kd
So ja morant better
of course
@@Post2k69 🤯🤯
exactly
@@Post2k69 25 games
@@L.internet8fr
Let’s get this straight, he exposes them but never told us the REAL GOAT
Its curry
@@kskdjdndjcap his arguments were all dumb
In my opinion Hakeem is the goat 😊
The fact he says he doesn’t criticize Dave DeBusschere 😏 I know my GOAT!🐐
Bro needs to keep talking fax😤
bro didnt out brian scalabrine NO flaws, the one and only goat
Argument against Jordan is luck?😂nothing else? Shows who the goat is
Literally name one player who played Jordan in the 90's who averaged 25ppg or more.
Jordan’s bulls were a 50+ win and second round team without him, and the only reason they won when he came back was because they got Horace grant back who filled out their weak center issue
@@internetexplorer7204 And compare that with cavs without lebron. its crazy
@_M1-9 also imagine all Brons team without him will they win a championship? I think Miami has chance but Cavs and Lakers I don't think they will ever win a ring
@@_M1-9 not to mention the bulls lost by 10 in a game 7, which the Knicks ended up going to the finals and also lost in 7 to Hakeem, if the ball fell the right way the bulls could’ve very realistically made a finals appearance without Jordan
You killed it man thanks for the great information it really tells me a lot about these players keep going man👊🏾👍🏾
appreciate you brother :)
You just have to remember that LeBron not only had the hardest playoff run but also the hardest finals opponents
Ok and? He made a point that if you’re the goat you have to be the best in your era so if his competition was too good he just wasn’t good enough
The east is a lot easier to go to the finals then the west
The competition is good but his only big L is vs mavs. He carried a trash team on his early career but got beaten by stronger team. The warriors in 2015 is good competition but his teamates got injured and got no help and the 2017-2018 warriors is just unfair bruh. Just my perspective how crazy to do it in era like this where the skills and talents cant be compared on older era
You can’t be the goat when your competition is out there creating dynasties in your prime.
@@Hrshshsh lebron was the best in his era js bad team and curry, kd, klay, draymond, iggy gave him his 4/6
Bro your videos are like a documentary type I love it just laying in bed Listening to this ❤
watered down era arg for Jordan is kind of dumb. the main reason being while his competition was not the same it was still good. Shaq, Karl Malone, Patrick, Stockton and plenty of other Hof level players. yes the league did lose greats but it was still decent and of that time Michael Jordan got mvps over people like those. Hof players. he did not get "lucky" even though he was better off by no means was it watered down. it was still great and Jordan dominated the 90s which is why he is the best. how about that time he won mvp in the 1987 to 88 which was when magic and bird were doing amazing. that same season he was dpoty, got his second scoring title and was an all star. he was doing exceptionally well in the 80s and that was not his prime. he came second in mvp voting in 88 to 89. in 90 to 91 he won mvp over David Robinson, magic Johnson(Non prime) and Charles Barkley. He also carried a dogcrap bulls to to the playoffs onwards from 1985 until Scottie Pippen came and then plenty more where by that time the bulls would not be bad by itself (without Jordan). but they still needed Jordan. here is the roster for the 93 to 94 season where the bulls did not have Jordan.
Armstrong, BJ
Blount, Corie
Cartwright, Bill
English, Jo Jo
Grant Horace
Johnson, Dave
Kerr, Steve
Kukoc, Toni
Longley, Luc
Myers, Pete
Paxson, John
Perdue, Will
Pippen, Scottie
Wennington, Bill
Williams, Scott
.....It was a good team but without Michael they did not make it past the conference semifinals in 7 against the knicks. Then in the 96 season which was the bulls best season and one of the most dominant teams their competition was the Seattle supersonics which had: Gary Payton and Shawn kemp leading the team. two top players
Askew Vincent
Brickowski, Frank
Ford, Sherell
Hawkins, Hersey
Johnson, Ervin
McMillan, Nate
Perkins, Sam
Scheffler, Steve
Schrempf, Detlef
Snow, Eric
Wingate, David were the rest of the roster,
now this finals went to six in the end Jordan and the bulls prevailing. now imagine Jordan was not there, the outcome would have been different. Scottie Pippen and Dennis (while being the best rebounder), that was it. so them two against Gary Peyton and Shawn kemp would not be favorable. however Jordan led the team in points two times in that finals while Dennis was an x factor leading that finals in rebounds. however again that shows that Dennis is the greatest rebounder while Michael Jordan leads in point averages as well that finals. Jordan is goated and I'm doing this for fun so don't really mind me. just speaking some of my mind and personally think that there could be a better argument ig but nice vid.
U sad ash
They hate MJ.
@@mastermace7770 naw they hate lebron everybody sucks mj off
Prime Michael Jordan would teabag LeBron. LeBron ain't quick, they part way for him. Jordan had to earn his stats under actual pressure. Jordan and LeBron is like Patek Philippe and Rolex. Jordan keep LeBron in check.
"it's gonna sound crazy"
Nah just sounds stupid
this is how i view it, there will never be a goat, the era and game changes and the players continue to make history every day. the circumstances make it almost impossible to figure out a goat...
DO NOT LET HIM COOK
He did fn 😭🙏
crying cause your fav got slapped and exposed
@@KingoftheLions-z87I'm just saying bro was not cooking with this video
@@Luvplaysgaming That's not what it sounded like. It sounds like you were praising him. The creator even liked your comment LOL
@@BenjaminJ707 praising who?
jordan was the leading scorer of the league each year he won a championship, 6 times. Only 4 other people have been the leading scorer at the same year they won a championship, and only one of those 4 did it more than 1 time, just twice. That stat alone and also the spectacle of watching him play as his style is one of the best showcases of athletic ability and skill in the history of sports, makes him the goat of hooping.
but MY goat/favourite player is Kareem Abdul Jabaar
Worst takes ever...
Jordan
Kobe
LeBron simple.....
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Lebron carrying Kevin love and some random fans he found in the cav’s arena to the finales is BAD for his legacy!?!?!?
@@iihydraa8293bro i seen someone say lebron got lucky in 2016 and it hurt his resume because it took no skill. Worst take Ive ever seen
@@WcoopW 💀💀💀 has bro watched the 2016 finals
I get it’s your opinion but at least during his mvp seasons, Bird was BY FAR the best player in the league. His lethal scoring, clutchness, and will for the game was unmatched. Magic had Kareem, and was a bit shakey at times. He would mess up in big moments, especially from 82-86. Bird was the man who wanted to take the final shot, and most of the time, it was going in
Jordan would dominate in today’s NBA too. He is the greatest player in NBA history. There is no debate, or at least there shouldn’t be. He is the greatest offensive player to ever play, and to be honest one of the greatest defensive players as well. He has won many awards for defense, not just offense. So, I’ll say once again. There is no debate. It doesn’t mean that Lebron, Kobe, and others mentioned aren’t amazing players, because they absolutely are, but Jordan is just on another level.
Greatest offensive player is cap
I’m not sure MJ just got lucky.
1) Magic retired in 92 then came back in 96 before officially retiring. Magic came off b2b seasons (89-90) as the NBA mvp when playing against the Bulls in the 91 Finals. Magic made All NBA 1st team and finished 2nd in MVP voting to Jordan while leading the Lakers to 58 wins. He got locked up by MJ and Scottie and they won in 5.
2) Isiah and the Bad Boys got swept by the Bulls in 91 ECF, unfortunate injuries to Isiah brought an end to his career during MJ’s first retirement (1994). Isiah explained in the Bad Boys 30 for 30 that he’d given everything to the game and that was a sign for him to leave. He did his damage to Jordan til that whole team matured in 91. Isiah and several other players admitted that it reminded them of themselves when they finally beat the Celtics.
3) Bird suffered back problems but had already beat up on Jordan in the playoffs when Jordan was THE lone superstar.
4) I can’t speak for expansion but you play with the hand your dealt. Jordan got beat by a Shaq/Penny Magic team in the ECSF in 95 when Jordan came back out of retirement. It also took him beating the Pacers/Knicks til game 7 to win multiple ECFs.
5) if it was so easy then he should’ve swept all his Finals opponents in 4 games, that didn’t happen though since he won in (5 against Lakers) 6. He played Utah 2x with Karl Malone having just won MVP in 97, and the Jazz having the best record in 98. Jordan won the Bulls their last ring himself since Scottie had back problems, clutched up the last minutes of game 6 in 98.
Tldr: Tim Duncan is the GOAT
Great well thought breakdown video. My Goat MJ got exposed. All I can say is MJ took the advantages of dominating his era and won 6 championships out of the process. He’s just one of the greats.
If the only thing you have against MJ is that he got lucky then that shows me how much of A GOAT he actually is 😂😂
Me personally? John Cena NBA GOAT.
1:16 CAPPP 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
I love this video. The players and the fan bases behind them need to be knocked down a peg every once in a while (including me). Great video man!
Curry
He sucks at defense.
@@victorseda8847 top 12 or 11
Im gonna defend Jordan case rq
1991- Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Vlade Divac, Sam Perkins
1992- Clyde Drexler, Kevin Porter, Jerome Kersey, Buck Williams
1993- Charles Barkley, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle
1996- Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins
1997, 1998 - Karl Malone, John Stockton, Jeff Hornacek
Jordan's supporting cast during the 1991-1993 championships was centered around Scottie Pippen, who was the essential second star, with Horace Grant providing inside toughness, and John Paxson and B.J. Armstrong offering perimeter shooting and spacing. This balanced team effort allowed Jordan to shine while having the necessary support to win three straight titles.
Across the 1996-1998 championships, Scottie Pippen remained Jordan’s most essential teammate, despite injuries in 1998. Dennis Rodman dominated the boards and played elite defense, particularly against stars like Karl Malone. Toni Kukoč provided offensive versatility, and Ron Harper, Steve Kerr, and others played key supporting roles, particularly with their defense and shooting. This strong supporting cast allowed Jordan and the Bulls to claim their second three-peat.
Jordan's team wouldn't be able to win without him, and his team wouldnt have won without him.
He was the main reason why they won, as shown in 94' & 95', the bulls werent able to win anything.
This leaves Tim Duncan the goat
Get serious.
Jordan was selfish he not only got lucky, he also had an all time great by his side who was not selfish at all
Pippen had his best and most efficient years under Jordan, he never averaged above 50% FG in a season without Jordan, only made 1 All-Star team without Jordan, was mediocre at best during his first few seasons (including his rookie year where he came off the bench averaging 8 ppg), played very inconsistently during the Bulls' 2nd 3 peat, and regularly disappeared against the Bad Boy Pistons. Magic had top 5 player of all time Kareem and James Worthy who was better than Pippen. Kareem had two of the top 5 PGs, Magic and Oscar. Wilt had Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Hal Greer, and Gail Goodrich. Bill Russell had multiple HOFers on his stacked teams. Bird had McHale who was better than Ppppen in his prime and Robert Parish. Kobe had prime Shaq, who had a top 3 prime ever and Pau Gasol. Shaq had Kobe and Wade. LeBron had Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Kevin Love, and a prime AD. Duncan had Parker, Ginobli, and young but still solid Kawhi Leonard, Curry and Durant played with multiple stars. In reality, Jordan had less help than pretty much any consensus top 12 player outside of maybe Hakeem Olajuwon.
@@HugoSoup57 so much false narratives, but I wont get into details as time is money. Jordan never ever won a championship without pip. Pip without Jordan had more success in terms of basketball than MJ without Pip, facts!
YOU GAVE YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT WHY THESE PLAYERS ARE NOT THE GOAT BUT YOU SITTING ON THE FENCE ON YOUR OPINION WHO THE GOAT IS , ALSO TO AD TO MY POINT EVERY SINGLE PLAYERS ON THIS LIST HAS TASTED DEFEAT IN THE FINALS EXCEPT JORDAN, AND I HATE JORDAN AND HAVE BEEN A LAKERS FAN SINCE 83 .
If it was so watered down someone else would have beat the bulls in the finals.
That's the point no one would beat the bulls
My boy Kawhi will never be caught lacking like this
Kobe was not getting by Shaq and was robbed kobe average 29.4 ppg 7.6 rebound 6.1 assist shap average 30.1 ppg 15.4rebound 2.1 assist as you see Kobe Holds his own and Kobe was robbed out of 3 mvps 2003 2006 2007 he 100% deserve 2008 and arguably 2013 thank you very much Kobe is the goat
@@godwinmarandu8474 Not the goat but he was robbed 😔
@@_M1-9 it's your opinion kobe's my goal that doesn't mean it's your goat I understand you coming from
Good to know, Tim Duncan is the GOAT. But actually, this was a really good video
haha appreciate that bro :)
0:49 why tf is tmac there
Where💀
@@ToksubsDja few seconds later t mcgrady is there lmao
Fr like wasn’t bro injured all the time 💀
Really great video, I don’t like seeing the hate in so many NBA comment sections, especially with toxic channels like skap attack, you’re a refreshing change of pace. You earned a sub!
love hearing that man thank you
kobe is NOT in the goat debate
Bro you are absolutely nuts how is he not if he's one of the players in his era and maybe nba
@@Daniel-nt8unbro Kobe was a great player but
Lebron and MJ were better
If there was a whole world at stake, and there would be few seconds left for the last attack. You would give the ball to MJ. No question about that.
@@AmigoAmigo-w5p Nah, Iguodala.
Saying Michaels era was watered down is a joke. Even if there were new teams still developing he still had to beat the best of the best the NBA had to offer to win the championship. Karl Malone and John Stockton were THE BEST PICK AND ROLL DUO IN NBA HISTORY and they still couldn't beat Michael. You didn't expose Michael, you made a bunch of jokes, it would've fit the mood better with clown music in the background
so ur telling me karl makin who averaged 8 point a game was a challenge to jordan popped and rodman? no use ur brain
@@jayso-z6i Are you braindead? 'Karl makin' averaged 25 through his career, instead of trying to undermine an opinion superior to yours how about you fix that grammar. It's not spelled "ur" it's "your". You little kid.
@@jayso-z6i This "Karl makin" guy you are talking about averaged 25 points per game throughout his career, and won several MVPs over Jordan. Instead of challenging a well thought out and developed opinion with utter garbage how about you start learning how to spell correctly. It's spelled "Your" not "ur"...
@WhiteGirlJessica Even if they are weak now, that is now, not then. Men played basketball in the 90s. Boys like LeBron play now
@@BenjaminJ707 Literally all they do is foul in the 90's. Is that your so called "defense"?
I haven’t watched a second of this yet and the thumbnail already pissed me off cause how tf is MJ weak?
For every like this comment gets, I’ll do one push-up
Here is a list of All-Star teammates Lebron has had: Shaquille O'Neal, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Kyle Korver, Derrick Rose, Isaiah Thomas, Ray Allen, Antawn Jamison, Anthony Davis, D'Angelo Russell, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, not to mention NBA 6th Man Of The Year JR Smith. BTW, Michael Jordan played with ONE All-Star - Scotty Pippen.
Michael Jordan was not weak. He wasn’t strong either, but he was very mean to fans and Kobe is not selfish. She is a little rude but for good reasons and LeBron James is arrogant.
Micheal Jordan did not get lucky because he had magic and bird in his rookie season and he had Karl Mallon John Stockton and a lot more hall of fames and even godly centres such as mutumbo and hakeem so major is the goat
Calling Raptors and Grizzlies “weaker” competition hurts
I dont see Kyrie being exposed
You now the goat
steph curry didn’t get mentioned 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yeah G.O.A.T three pointer
In my personal opinion, if MJ is lucky then it means it was destined to be that way. MJ's destiny is to be GOAT
Bro bugs bunny beats all 8 of these category 18 goofy goobers😂
Nah Tatum clears all😤
lmao
Damn saying that 90's a weak competition is biased, yeah there might be weak teams but it was the bottom teams. Im ngl that's also my first impression before watching some of there games, but when I see how they play the physicality is too much compared to the present NBA that with slightest tap is a foul now. But I'm not saying the 90's were better I also enjoys watching the games now. It would be better if we stop this debate since it's always a different pools of talents in each era we really can't compare them accurately.