hey i marched in the corps that year in the quad line. yes the horn players did get right back up. some with out shakos some with damaged dented horns, but they did get right back up. the best way to describe the moment for those of us on the field but could not see was that it was the last move of the show, the z pull and normally the crowd went wild. they were going wild and then it just got quiet before the last note. that was strange. we found out what happened in the circle
Holy crap - the Z pull! You may not believe this, but George Zingali wrote our shows a few years at my high school in the late 80s and taught them in band camp (in Ft. Lauderdale - I have no idea how much we paid him, but spending a few weeks in Ft. Laud. probably wasn't such a hard sell). We had a pretty good drum and horn line (and woodwinds) before he got there but once he put our field show together we cleaned up. We executed the "Zingali Pull" and blew the house down. RIP, Mr. Zingali.
that is so cool! my ex-band instructor (i'm now 38!) was in the pit. it's the most amazing song ever. p.s. we did this song in high school...like 3 years out of cadets for him!
Well, the TH-cam algorithm is good. I just watched a score study of Rocky Point then this video came up. Ironically, I made a comment on that video about a band director I met in about 92 whose goal was to do this piece with his band. They did it on the field. "I worked with the Cadets in 83 and in college and it's been my dream ever since." Pretty dope dream.
I got to see them a week before finals at Cary, NC with SCV, Bridgemen, 27th Lancers, Geneseo Knights. All near the top of their respective games. The stands were separated from the field by the track, yet that last chord Garfield played was so loud it made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. Haven't really had that feeling since.....
i saw the z pull this year, i was cheering so loudly that the people in my band made a meme out of it, on the way back we watched the 83 championships and when the z pull happened the entire bus started going "THE Z PULL", I love zingali drill
wow, many flashbacks, i did not see them in miami but i saw them in wisconsin i think and other places too, had many friends that loved them very much and remember listening to them on the bus on the way to competitions in the northeast area!
My son marched Cadets, and worked with them after he aged-out. I'm really bummed no one will ever get the chance to see them perform live again. RIP... FHNSAB
I marched Avant Garde 83 and 84...tubas (contra). I saw this show, their retreat after winning, and the prelims live. As you can imagine, all shows were standing room only. Phenomenal. The sound blew your hair back. Most impressive is that they didn't lose volume as most corps would when they took it end zone to end zone. Older now, this still inspires me and brings me back to better time.
All thanks to the Cadets of past generations that inspired people like me to march Cadets in 2007....and this show is just another reason why I marched.... Thank you for posting this video.
it was in '85- there were so many different time sig's in the show that year that they decided we might as well lead with the right...it was hard to get used to but it was one more thing that set us apart.
This has GOT to be the BEST 3:22 of DCI Drum Corp. EVER! I have been watching this clip for months, now. Can't believe it is from so long ago. Would love to see this entire show!!
IMHO these were the best of times for Drum corps as a whole...There were more corps competing at nationals at all levels, the activity was still reasonably affordable, and the best corps were not all college age kids...you still had a majority of young teens competing and doing outstanding work....this was the time when Drum lines strted moving off the fifty yard line, visuals were now curves instead of straight lines and angles, and of course the famous "Z Pull" as performed by the Cadets.
I never imagined I would have the opportunity to work with such brilliant minds. I feel blessed to have marched with Star of Indiana for 6 years and be instructed by George, Donny, Jimmer, and so many other wonderful people. It's the 21st anniversary of George's passing. He forever changed the history of the activity many many times.
Hehe... what an awesome show. :) It would be nice if drum and BUGLE corps moved back to G bugles; they were wicked loud instruments. I marched BAC in 2000 and 2001, and went into the stands in 2001 at Franklin Field in Philly - watched I think Crossmen? then Cavaliers. Xmen were still in G, Cavies on Bb, and the difference in sound was striking; not just the tone, but sheer volume. I really miss that hair-parting ability. So it was harder to tune, big whoop. I'm glad I played on a G horn. :)
back then, we had 2 or 3 VCRs hooked up everywhere we could place them near enough outlets. spent nearly hour for hour watching tapes, and working the corps. Dr Santo had a "3 year Plan" in 80, turned over to the 1 and only Hoppy. Some Rag Tag New orleanians, George Hopkins, Mike C who scored George Z and Marc S. In Sync with Jimmer and Donnie.... 83 was the Year the magic happened. Something had changed forever. There wasn't enough hours in a day to soak it all up. FHNSAB 75/10 in 09
Ah yes. The introduction of the famous Zingali "Z" pull. At the time, this drill was considered somewhat of an oddity. But after Garfield repeated it's chmpionship in 84 with West Side Story, drum corps drill was changed forever. And all this without the benefit of a computer to visualize the formations.
We did do a show in Montreal I think. My 26 year memory is pretty rusty too. Finals of 82 was in Montreal but I'm pretty sure we ventured up there in 83 also. It's funny that you recognized the Bullwinkle Set. I haven't thought of that in a lonnnng time.
I’ll never forget the first time I saw this live. I was playing trumpet* with The Cavaliers in 1983 and we first encountered Garfield at DCI North in Ypsilanti that year. We had seen Garfield open with Rocky Point Holiday the previous season as well but the 1983 version was simply astounding. The drill was from another planet and the brass section was absolutely on fire. *Soprano bugle for we Gen-X-ers
I was there as a member of Spirit of Atlanta. I was up in the stands to watch this show (we went earlier). Funny enough, I was sitting *right next to* Zingali close to the box office. He was crying the whole time of this opener. I'll never forget it!
This was the "Throw your babies" show. Anyone remember that? We went into the stands early. Coaxed a few fans into chanting "East East East" It got larger than we expected =) In my Wildest imagination I would never had expected the Magnitude of, nor the earie sensation when The Corps emerged onto the sidelines and the chant began.. Hoppy - "I knew we were in trouble when I felt My own self going over the edge". We went over the edge... that's for sure
@podbuster0 no, just what they used to call the OTL, (off the line) they end the show with the same manuever, and brought the house down, I was there in Miami that year, and will never forget Garfields show that year. This show put drum corps on its ear.
I was marching in 85 with a crappy little corps, but all summer people kept talking about that Whitewater thing. A lot of people said the horn line got back up so quick that some people didn't even realize it happened. Don't know if that's true or not (smacks of urban legend a little) but I do believe they won anyway. GC was a really big deal back then. There was a constant buzz and the whole scene was trying to figure how the hell to catch up. It was very exciting to be touring then.
I REMEMBER YOU GUYS!! I was marching Florida Wave and we started chatting a few of you up! We were so impressed by how awed you guys were with the top-tier corps. You guys sounded great, don't get me wrong, but I remember one of your bugle players repeating over and over "did you hear Garfield's horns, they're MAD!". The other thing I distinctly remember is our female corp members making moon eyes at some of the more handsome "blokes" in your group, they loved your accents :D
Man, listen carefully to the audience right at 2:59. It's amazing; you hear this kind of stir in the crowd when the middle horns are holding that whole note, and then they just gradually start yelling and cheering and jumping out of their seats. It's unbelievably exciting to just concentrate on the audience's reaction. That tells you all you really need to know about the relevance of that moment.
The sound was only a part of this show. I was born into Drum Corps and marched from 1969-1981. The first time I saw Garfield in 83(Toledo Key to The Sea) my jaw dropped. There had never been anything like it. THAT show forever changed Drum Corps
Drum Corps is always at it's best when ever innovation occurs. This was the year that changed the look and feel of a drill. I think this is probabaly the year a Drill became "visual design" . Perpertual motion, no mark time, moving in and out of forms, was all new. The only kick back to the "old school was the drum line drill - still pretty much on the fifty yard line, with the basses behind the snares for much of this performance. My how things have changed.
@greendude1219 if you were lucky enough to have marched in '83 or were lucky enough to be in the stand for this performance, you wouldn't be making that comment. When I saw this show, I knew it was special, but I had no idea nearly 30 years later people are still talking about it....... but I am not surprised either. One of the few groundbreaking shows that altered forever the direction drum corp was going, '73 Vanguard was another
I have this on audio disc and blast it on days when I feel bumbed out and tired. It really picks me up !!!! Best part besides the Zpull is when the entire corps ROTATES like a fan in this vid! AWESOME
I saw GC's home show early in the season in '83 - and was completely blown away. Zingali had done some amazing drill with winter guard, but seeing it on the drum corps field was mind blowing. I kept trying to describe to my "old school" friends what I had seen and never was able to do it justice. George Zingali revolutionized both drill and movement. Thanks for uploading!
They were ground-breaking, but lets not forget you guys had Gambaro! Your corp stayed in our high school that whole week and we got to hear you when you practiced on our field. You were a mid-size corp with an Open-class wall of sound. ...and then Tony cut loose on a solo. My jaw, our band director's jaw, everyone in the stands jaws, the groundskeeper's jaws, some random jocks running laps on the track jaws, EVERYONE'S jaws dropped to the ground.
Right - the pit was a relatively new thing in 1983. When pits started they seemed to me more appropriately sized than they are today. Now I see pits with 20 members (oops, "students"...sorry) plus they are amplified to boot.
I marched Devs that year ( snare ) and i gotta say, this is the first time I've seen the 83 garfield show. Spectacular. I wish i could have seen it live that year. It amazes me what kinda drill they were doing that year... had that been suggested to the BD drumline, they would have been shut down immediately. Pretty awesome to see what the kids are pulling off these days. great vid
Saw this show in Montreal that year- you knew something was coming- something new, something that was going to change the future of the activity, and this chart- just- rocks. Three words, yes, yes, and YES!
Hey man, I marched 83 Garfield and I was wondering if you remembered the Rockford after DCI midwest that we did. You guys didn't march the show but you were in the stands. It was hilarious, There was this sea of BD jackets just sitting there and everyone around them were clapping . Ah the good old days of drum corps
I marched 77-87 Cavaliers, and when we all saw the sudden rise of Garfield Cadets from the bottom...to this...it brought us hope. Before this drill, everyone was straight lines and angles. This year changed Drum Corps forever. Every time I hear Rocky Point Holiday '83, I get goosebumps. 2:43 to the end was GENIUS...Thank you Mr. Zingali, we owe you our love, praise, and thanks...RIP
George Zingali (RIP) once told me in '83 that "marching is not performing, and performing is not marching, it's where the two meet/converge in the middle that makes it a show". He always wanted to create a 'show' and he did just that back then...truly a gifted person for the ages. - Cadets '79='84, snare
@oldschooldrumcorps Good Call OldSchool... DCI DOES NEED THE BRIDGEMEN BACK!!! DCI Needs that NYC Broadway 'We are here to entertain you' Influence AGAIN. I will say I get a lump in my throat when I hear Rocky Point man, and see the Z Pull... What an incredible time for this activity!
Got to meet Zingali at a drum corps show when I was teaching with a corps about 1990-91. We were standing there talking with him when out of the blue, he pulls out a little pad of paper and starts writing drill. He wrote about 6 pictures and kind of sung it in his head and flipped the pics. When he got it the way he wanted it, I guess, he would say, "yes!" when he flipped another pic. It was like we weren't even there. We just stood there and watched his incredible brain create super cool drill. When he was done, he put his pad back in his pocket and picked up the conversation again like nothing happened. We were like, "whoa, dude. What did you just do?" "Oh, I just rewrote the closer. It's gonna be awesome." Yep. It was.
i think i remember you George, I marched the Don Juan and Planets years, french horn. garfield came out of nowhere and as a big fan of Bernstein, i loved them almost as much as the green machine.... in fact my buddy Nathan who marched Cavie baratone had a sister who went on to march in the cadets. long live the machine and Bernstein. thanks for posting..... although i'd love to see the high camera recording of Mass and the Jeremiah Symphony. :)
@greendude1219 Today it's "just a formation" but in 1983 it was pretty revolutionary. I was at this particular performance and it was a little like seeing the moonwalk for the first time.
I marched 83 with the Sky Ryders, and remember being on tour with the Cadets for a number of shows. Never had I seen such intense rehearsals and beyond belief marching drills in my life. I remember how intense the whole corps was.......really impressive year for their first Championship.
I know I'm in the right company here - so I can say this - I calculated a few years ago about how many times I have watched and/or listened to this performance. I suggest you super-fans do the same. I came up with literally over THOUSANDS, I won't even give the total number here. AND EVERY TIME IT SETS ME ON FIRE.
the "Z-pull"...sweeeeeet! The problem with today is that EVERY show tries to run and zip and cut and the music suffers! Some can do it and sound good but not all of them.
@hailfire55 Here's a little '87 Cadets inside trivia. Klesch set out a system of fortes for us: F, FF, FFFF, and the reserved only for special times FFFFF. There were two points in the show that we played at 5 F's - at the slight horn raise in the standstill in the opener, and upon re-assembly of the company front near the end of the show before the reprise. And that 5 F was a sustained one for as long as Doug Rutherford the DM directed it! So yeah, raw power amidst the intricacy of that show.
The opener that changed everything about DCI and set it afire. Garfield would go on to win 3 consecutive world championships in a row. EAST! EAST! EAST!
Wow! After 24 years this is the first time I've seen the upper camera shot. It was a great great corps. I marched 3 years after this and won 2 more metals but none of those years felt like 83. To bad you don't have the closer for this night. We had some problems with the ending. I think it was our 1st night with the new Rocky point tag. Anyway, It gave us something to work on the next day.I think we got the buggs out of it. Great Video addition. Thanks a lot! 83-85-86-87 contra
This corps and show was the beginning of a new era that continues today...albeit nowadays a little out of control sometimes! I'll never forget this show, and the impact it had on me. Unbelievable in person! Amazing! And, everyone's right...the sound and power was much more impressive back in those days. The Cadet's West Side show was great too. And, nothing can top Madison's kick-ass old-school Malaguena!
You don't have the rest of the show? TBH, I'm not a Cadet fan, but I've always liked this show. As powerful as this section was it just got better all the way through.
and the crazy part of the early '80's - when I witnessed this in Miami that night I knew I was watching something special, but I had no idea how special, and no idea I would be watching it again 26 years later and still get goose bumps. And the real crazy thing was they topped this show the next year in '84 with West Side Story!
It was a brutal summer. There was not much fun had on the field at all. We knew that this was a special corp but that just seem to motivate Zingali and Donny Van Doran to be even more out of control. No one today could get away with the stuff they did back then. After that summer Zingali was much calmer. I think there was a lot of pressure put on the staff to make sure that we win.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Blue Devils. They sounded great. Not as great as they did the year before or after but still they're a great corps every year. Great drumline and horns. They were hurting that year in GE some but I've always been in awe of them.
@terrapin78 This is the show which ushered in 80% of what you're complaining about - no one had EVER run around like this prior to 83 Garfield. These are also the guys who brought us Bb and most of what else you're complaining about - BTW it isn't all bad - the reason this was so good is that they had the single best staff in the history of drum corps - before or since - okay 1991 Star too. (same cats)
best corps routine ive ever seen, dci finals were shown on tv over here in the uk for the first time in 83, i remember being blown away watching this, our corps did a version of your m&m ending in 85 when we won dcuk finals
It was a watershed moment for the activity. Free form drill came to the front, and the Cadets set the new standard for movement and music for years to come. In 1982, you could see the beginnings of this type show from several corps, but straight line and squad movement were still the order of the day. This changed all of that.
Montreal may have been 1982- if so, please forgive my 26 years-ago recollections, but I'm sure they did do Rocky Point there- with the similar "Bullwinkle" opening set as well?
I was just looking at the scores from 1983, Garfield only lost once out of 39 shows! Prelims. ~Outstanding~ 1.Santa Clara Vanguard 91.900 2 Blue Devils 91.150 2 Garfield Cadets 91.150
I had 50 yard line seats for this show. I was only 14 and it was the first time I'd ever seen a live drum corps event. Even then I knew I was witnessing something special. I've seen many shows since, but this is the only one that moved me to tears. I still get chills watching this compressed, VHS-copied recording. Thank you Garfield Cadets (and whoever posted this video)!
It's funny,When I marched people used to complain about how bad the activity had gotten. (Oh the glory days of the 70's bla bla bla)It seems like a life time ago( it actually was)but I remember how hard we worked to be good. Zingali and the staff pretty much beat the shows into us. That was the only reason we were so good. i think other corps had more talented players(BD,SCV) but we killed ourselves to be as good as we were.
@Offbeat1000 I saw the '83 show and it was amazing. But nothing will ever top '84 in Atlanta for me. I played in the Sky Ryders in '85 and '86, then joined Garfield in '87. My first week there, learning the drill, I kept thinking, "This is crazy, we can't play while doing this!" But we did. Zingali wrote the drill while Sylvester was the lead instructor. Through repetition out the wazoo and tweaking, it all came together, but for sure, we were still fixing drill right up until finals!
hey i marched in the corps that year in the quad line. yes the horn players did get right back up. some with out shakos some with damaged dented horns, but they did get right back up.
the best way to describe the moment for those of us on the field but could not see was that it was the last move of the show, the z pull and normally the crowd went wild. they were going wild and then it just got quiet before the last note. that was strange. we found out what happened in the circle
Holy crap - the Z pull! You may not believe this, but George Zingali wrote our shows a few years at my high school in the late 80s and taught them in band camp (in Ft. Lauderdale - I have no idea how much we paid him, but spending a few weeks in Ft. Laud. probably wasn't such a hard sell). We had a pretty good drum and horn line (and woodwinds) before he got there but once he put our field show together we cleaned up. We executed the "Zingali Pull" and blew the house down. RIP, Mr. Zingali.
that is so cool! my ex-band instructor (i'm now 38!) was in the pit. it's the most amazing song ever. p.s. we did this song in high school...like 3 years out of cadets for him!
Well, the TH-cam algorithm is good. I just watched a score study of Rocky Point then this video came up. Ironically, I made a comment on that video about a band director I met in about 92 whose goal was to do this piece with his band. They did it on the field. "I worked with the Cadets in 83 and in college and it's been my dream ever since." Pretty dope dream.
I don't know why, but I find this drill suspenseful. The drama and evolution of it is exciting!
Never. Gets. Old.
I got to see them a week before finals at Cary, NC with SCV, Bridgemen, 27th Lancers, Geneseo Knights. All near the top of their respective games. The stands were separated from the field by the track, yet that last chord Garfield played was so loud it made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. Haven't really had that feeling since.....
i saw the z pull this year, i was cheering so loudly that the people in my band made a meme out of it, on the way back we watched the 83 championships and when the z pull happened the entire bus started going "THE Z PULL", I love zingali drill
the coordination - spectacular!!!
wow, many flashbacks, i did not see them in miami but i saw them in wisconsin i think and other places too, had many friends that loved them very much and remember listening to them on the bus on the way to competitions in the northeast area!
My son marched Cadets, and worked with them after he aged-out. I'm really bummed no one will ever get the chance to see them perform live again. RIP... FHNSAB
No one ever had seen a show like this till then…. The start of s new era!!!
I marched Avant Garde 83 and 84...tubas (contra). I saw this show, their retreat after winning, and the prelims live. As you can imagine, all shows were standing room only. Phenomenal. The sound blew your hair back. Most impressive is that they didn't lose volume as most corps would when they took it end zone to end zone. Older now, this still inspires me and brings me back to better time.
All thanks to the Cadets of past generations that inspired people like me to march Cadets in 2007....and this show is just another reason why I marched....
Thank you for posting this video.
Iconic performance. Truly groundbreaking and still as powerful today as in 1983.
Dude, 83 was still a badass year for BD...major props to you. If only we can cut back a bit on the narration...
For Holy Name shall always be.
it was in '85- there were so many different time sig's in the show that year that they decided we might as well lead with the right...it was hard to get used to but it was one more thing that set us apart.
This has GOT to be the BEST 3:22 of DCI Drum Corp. EVER! I have been watching this clip for months, now. Can't believe it is from so long ago. Would love to see this entire show!!
IMHO these were the best of times for Drum corps as a whole...There were more corps competing at nationals at all levels, the activity was still reasonably affordable, and the best corps were not all college age kids...you still had a majority of young teens competing and doing outstanding work....this was the time when Drum lines strted moving off the fifty yard line, visuals were now curves instead of straight lines and angles, and of course the famous "Z Pull" as performed by the Cadets.
I never imagined I would have the opportunity to work with such brilliant minds. I feel blessed to have marched with Star of Indiana for 6 years and be instructed by George, Donny, Jimmer, and so many other wonderful people. It's the 21st anniversary of George's passing. He forever changed the history of the activity many many times.
Hehe... what an awesome show. :)
It would be nice if drum and BUGLE corps moved back to G bugles; they were wicked loud instruments. I marched BAC in 2000 and 2001, and went into the stands in 2001 at Franklin Field in Philly - watched I think Crossmen? then Cavaliers. Xmen were still in G, Cavies on Bb, and the difference in sound was striking; not just the tone, but sheer volume. I really miss that hair-parting ability.
So it was harder to tune, big whoop. I'm glad I played on a G horn. :)
Ha! Me too. One of the great benefits of marching in a non-finalist member corps. I spent all my off-show time in parking lots watching standstills.
back then, we had 2 or 3 VCRs hooked up everywhere we could place them near enough outlets. spent nearly hour for hour watching tapes, and working the corps. Dr Santo had a "3 year Plan" in 80, turned over to the 1 and only Hoppy. Some Rag Tag New orleanians, George Hopkins, Mike C who scored George Z and Marc S. In Sync with Jimmer and Donnie.... 83 was the Year the magic happened. Something had changed forever. There wasn't enough hours in a day to soak it all up. FHNSAB 75/10 in 09
Ah yes. The introduction of the famous Zingali "Z" pull. At the time, this drill was considered somewhat of an oddity. But after Garfield repeated it's chmpionship in 84 with West Side Story, drum corps drill was changed forever.
And all this without the benefit of a computer to visualize the formations.
We did do a show in Montreal I think. My 26 year memory is pretty rusty too. Finals of 82 was in Montreal but I'm pretty sure we ventured up there in 83 also. It's funny that you recognized the Bullwinkle Set. I haven't thought of that in a lonnnng time.
25 Year later and still gives me chills!! Unbelievable!!!
I’ll never forget the first time I saw this live. I was playing trumpet* with The Cavaliers in 1983 and we first encountered Garfield at DCI North in Ypsilanti that year. We had seen Garfield open with Rocky Point Holiday the previous season as well but the 1983 version was simply astounding. The drill was from another planet and the brass section was absolutely on fire.
*Soprano bugle for we Gen-X-ers
I was there as a member of Spirit of Atlanta. I was up in the stands to watch this show (we went earlier). Funny enough, I was sitting *right next to* Zingali close to the box office. He was crying the whole time of this opener. I'll never forget it!
This was the "Throw your babies" show. Anyone remember that? We went into the stands early. Coaxed a few fans into chanting "East East East" It got larger than we expected =) In my Wildest imagination I would never had expected the Magnitude of, nor the earie sensation when The Corps emerged onto the sidelines and the chant began.. Hoppy - "I knew we were in trouble when I felt My own self going over the edge". We went over the edge... that's for sure
Wonderful stuff.
Oh my God, what was it like to march in the best 4 year period anyone could ever march, but with the Cadets no less???!!!
@podbuster0 no, just what they used to call the OTL, (off the line) they end the show with the same manuever, and brought the house down, I was there in Miami that year, and will never forget Garfields show that year. This show put drum corps on its ear.
I was marching in 85 with a crappy little corps, but all summer people kept talking about that Whitewater thing. A lot of people said the horn line got back up so quick that some people didn't even realize it happened. Don't know if that's true or not (smacks of urban legend a little) but I do believe they won anyway. GC was a really big deal back then. There was a constant buzz and the whole scene was trying to figure how the hell to catch up. It was very exciting to be touring then.
I REMEMBER YOU GUYS!! I was marching Florida Wave and we started chatting a few of you up! We were so impressed by how awed you guys were with the top-tier corps. You guys sounded great, don't get me wrong, but I remember one of your bugle players repeating over and over "did you hear Garfield's horns, they're MAD!". The other thing I distinctly remember is our female corp members making moon eyes at some of the more handsome "blokes" in your group, they loved your accents :D
The "Whitewater Pileup" really happened, very much as you described. I was there.
Man, listen carefully to the audience right at 2:59. It's amazing; you hear this kind of stir in the crowd when the middle horns are holding that whole note, and then they just gradually start yelling and cheering and jumping out of their seats. It's unbelievably exciting to just concentrate on the audience's reaction. That tells you all you really need to know about the relevance of that moment.
Never gets old!!
I come back to this about once a year or so. The Z pull still brings me to tears every time. It's just so damn PLEASING.
The sound was only a part of this show. I was born into Drum Corps and marched from 1969-1981. The first time I saw Garfield in 83(Toledo Key to The Sea) my jaw dropped. There had never been anything like it. THAT show forever changed Drum Corps
Did you march Guardsmen in 81? I did, and aged out with Garfield in 83.
@@cajungenie335 Nope. Glassmen. Always loved those Gaurdsmen hornlines though.
thus DCI of today(not now, but the good times) was born!!!!
They marched it again in 2003 as their closer; 20th anniversary of their first championship, Rocky Point Holiday, and the Z-pull.
Whoever thumbs downed this knows nothing about drum corps, or music for that matter. Fact. Just sayin.
haters gonna hate...not much to say except, I really miss this show! :)
Drum Corps is always at it's best when ever innovation occurs. This was the year that changed the look and feel of a drill. I think this is probabaly the year a Drill became "visual design" . Perpertual motion, no mark time, moving in and out of forms, was all new. The only kick back to the "old school was the drum line drill - still pretty much on the fifty yard line, with the basses behind the snares for much of this performance. My how things have changed.
The power, the majesty.
@greendude1219 if you were lucky enough to have marched in '83 or were lucky enough to be in the stand for this performance, you wouldn't be making that comment. When I saw this show, I knew it was special, but I had no idea nearly 30 years later people are still talking about it....... but I am not surprised either. One of the few groundbreaking shows that altered forever the direction drum corp was going, '73 Vanguard was another
even 26yrs Later this show was EPIC,
REAL DCI,
love the Bugles tuned higher than these modern "Trumpets" crap.
Go CADETs
Thanks for posting
You are right. Some corps members from Canada even got mugged that year. What a nightmare!
IMHO: three of the most iconic drill moves in DCI history (in no particular order):
Troopers Sunburst
Cavaliers Dragon (original -1986)
Cadets Z pull
Hands down best drum corp show I ever saw! And, I saw many marching for 12 years.
I have this on audio disc and blast it on days when I feel bumbed out and tired.
It really picks me up !!!! Best part besides the Zpull is when the entire corps ROTATES like a fan in this vid! AWESOME
Yep, I'm taking a red eye from Colorado tonight. should be interesting seeing everone after 25 years. ouch! I'm old.
I saw GC's home show early in the season in '83 - and was completely blown away. Zingali had done some amazing drill with winter guard, but seeing it on the drum corps field was mind blowing. I kept trying to describe to my "old school" friends what I had seen and never was able to do it justice. George Zingali revolutionized both drill and movement.
Thanks for uploading!
They were ground-breaking, but lets not forget you guys had Gambaro! Your corp stayed in our high school that whole week and we got to hear you when you practiced on our field. You were a mid-size corp with an Open-class wall of sound. ...and then Tony cut loose on a solo. My jaw, our band director's jaw, everyone in the stands jaws, the groundskeeper's jaws, some random jocks running laps on the track jaws, EVERYONE'S jaws dropped to the ground.
@kjonla I marched Sky Ryders '85 and I'd always go into the stands to see Madison Scouts and, if they were around, which wasn't often, the Cadets.
Right - the pit was a relatively new thing in 1983. When pits started they seemed to me more appropriately sized than they are today. Now I see pits with 20 members (oops, "students"...sorry) plus they are amplified to boot.
I marched Devs that year ( snare ) and i gotta say, this is the first time I've seen the 83 garfield show. Spectacular. I wish i could have seen it live that year. It amazes me what kinda drill they were doing that year... had that been suggested to the BD drumline, they would have been shut down immediately. Pretty awesome to see what the kids are pulling off these days.
great vid
Saw this show in Montreal that year- you knew something was coming- something new, something that was going to change the future of the activity, and this chart- just- rocks. Three words, yes, yes, and YES!
Still great. Loud! You stood up. I was there 50 yard line. Amazing drill. What drum corps was about. Now, a disgrace
Hey man,
I marched 83 Garfield and I was wondering if you remembered the Rockford after DCI midwest that we did. You guys didn't march the show but you were in the stands. It was hilarious, There was this sea of BD jackets just sitting there and everyone around them were clapping .
Ah the good old days of drum corps
I marched 77-87 Cavaliers, and when we all saw the sudden rise of Garfield Cadets from the bottom...to this...it brought us hope. Before this drill, everyone was straight lines and angles. This year changed Drum Corps forever. Every time I hear Rocky Point Holiday '83, I get goosebumps. 2:43 to the end was GENIUS...Thank you Mr. Zingali, we owe you our love, praise, and thanks...RIP
George Zingali (RIP) once told me in '83 that "marching is not performing, and performing is not marching, it's where the two meet/converge in the middle that makes it a show". He always wanted to create a 'show' and he did just that back then...truly a gifted person for the ages. - Cadets '79='84, snare
Your hope was getting the Muchachos disqualified so you could make finals in 75
@oldschooldrumcorps Good Call OldSchool... DCI DOES NEED THE BRIDGEMEN BACK!!! DCI Needs that NYC Broadway 'We are here to entertain you' Influence AGAIN. I will say I get a lump in my throat when I hear Rocky Point man, and see the Z Pull... What an incredible time for this activity!
Got to meet Zingali at a drum corps show when I was teaching with a corps about 1990-91. We were standing there talking with him when out of the blue, he pulls out a little pad of paper and starts writing drill. He wrote about 6 pictures and kind of sung it in his head and flipped the pics. When he got it the way he wanted it, I guess, he would say, "yes!" when he flipped another pic. It was like we weren't even there. We just stood there and watched his incredible brain create super cool drill. When he was done, he put his pad back in his pocket and picked up the conversation again like nothing happened. We were like, "whoa, dude. What did you just do?" "Oh, I just rewrote the closer. It's gonna be awesome." Yep. It was.
Those were the days.
i think i remember you George, I marched the Don Juan and Planets years, french horn. garfield came out of nowhere and as a big fan of Bernstein, i loved them almost as much as the green machine.... in fact my buddy Nathan who marched Cavie baratone had a sister who went on to march in the cadets. long live the machine and Bernstein. thanks for posting..... although i'd love to see the high camera recording of Mass and the Jeremiah Symphony. :)
I have the ‘85 high cam.
@greendude1219 Today it's "just a formation" but in 1983 it was pretty revolutionary. I was at this particular performance and it was a little like seeing the moonwalk for the first time.
I was in the Cadets from 78 to 85 when I aged out and I can't tell you how great it was.
Can't believe this isn't the closer
it was the closer too used in reprise
Still brings goose-bumps. Ironic that they still play Rocky Point as a part of their warm-up/pump-up routine. Tells you something about this piece.
I marched 83 with the Sky Ryders, and remember being on tour with the Cadets for a number of shows. Never had I seen such intense rehearsals and beyond belief marching drills in my life. I remember how intense the whole corps was.......really impressive year for their first Championship.
I know I'm in the right company here - so I can say this - I calculated a few years ago about how many times I have watched and/or listened to this performance. I suggest you super-fans do the same. I came up with literally over THOUSANDS, I won't even give the total number here. AND EVERY TIME IT SETS ME ON FIRE.
the "Z-pull"...sweeeeeet! The problem with today is that EVERY show tries to run and zip and cut and the music suffers! Some can do it and sound good but not all of them.
@hailfire55 Here's a little '87 Cadets inside trivia. Klesch set out a system of fortes for us: F, FF, FFFF, and the reserved only for special times FFFFF. There were two points in the show that we played at 5 F's - at the slight horn raise in the standstill in the opener, and upon re-assembly of the company front near the end of the show before the reprise. And that 5 F was a sustained one for as long as Doug Rutherford the DM directed it! So yeah, raw power amidst the intricacy of that show.
I think it went away during the 84 or 85 season.
The opener that changed everything about DCI and set it afire. Garfield would go on to win 3 consecutive world championships in a row. EAST! EAST! EAST!
Wow! After 24 years this is the first time I've seen the upper camera shot. It was a great great corps. I marched 3 years after this and won 2 more metals but none of those years felt like 83. To bad you don't have the closer for this night. We had some problems with the ending. I think it was our 1st night with the new Rocky point tag. Anyway, It gave us something to work on the next day.I think we got the buggs out of it. Great Video addition. Thanks a lot! 83-85-86-87 contra
This corps and show was the beginning of a new era that continues today...albeit nowadays a little out of control sometimes! I'll never forget this show, and the impact it had on me. Unbelievable in person! Amazing! And, everyone's right...the sound and power was much more impressive back in those days. The Cadet's West Side show was great too. And, nothing can top Madison's kick-ass old-school Malaguena!
someone refresh my memory(since i wasn't even born yet) when the tick system was tossed again?
zeebs385 I wanna say ‘84?
You don't have the rest of the show?
TBH, I'm not a Cadet fan, but I've always liked this show. As powerful as this section was it just got better all the way through.
and the crazy part of the early '80's - when I witnessed this in Miami that night I knew I was watching something special, but I had no idea how special, and no idea I would be watching it again 26 years later and still get goose bumps.
And the real crazy thing was they topped this show the next year in '84 with West Side Story!
It was a brutal summer. There was not much fun had on the field at all. We knew that this was a special corp but that just seem to motivate Zingali and Donny Van Doran to be even more out of control. No one today could get away with the stuff they did back then. After that summer Zingali was much calmer. I think there was a lot of pressure put on the staff to make sure that we win.
Mr.Trumpy? Fred?He marched soprano for a few years but he wasn't our Drum major in 83 or any other year. The DMs were Tony Alleman and Michael Klesch.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Blue Devils. They sounded great. Not as great as they did the year before or after but still they're a great corps every year. Great drumline and horns. They were hurting that year in GE some but I've always been in awe of them.
@terrapin78 This is the show which ushered in 80% of what you're complaining about - no one had EVER run around like this prior to 83 Garfield. These are also the guys who brought us Bb and most of what else you're complaining about - BTW it isn't all bad - the reason this was so good is that they had the single best staff in the history of drum corps - before or since - okay 1991 Star too. (same cats)
best corps routine ive ever seen, dci finals were shown on tv over here in the uk for the first time in 83, i remember being blown away watching this, our corps did a version of your m&m ending in 85 when we won dcuk finals
I was 14 when I went to see this show and was completely blown away. I still get goose bumps just thinking about it.
my all time favourite corps show, pure drum corps at its best from start to finish
Havent seen this since 1988. This was the best DCI finals EVER!
It was a watershed moment for the activity. Free form drill came to the front, and the Cadets set the new standard for movement and music for years to come. In 1982, you could see the beginnings of this type show from several corps, but straight line and squad movement were still the order of the day. This changed all of that.
best Dci performance.
Music , passion and Heart!
go 83 Garfield, miss U!!!!!
Man oh man! Lol Somebody call the fire dept.! I see smoke everywhere! It's coming off the field, out of the horns, and drums too! That was hype!
Notice the small but perfectly adequate pit. Who says you need 20 people in the pit?
Ah, Rocky Point Holiday! Absolutely awesome! From the first note of the show to the last, this was definitely THE show of 1983!
I have been a fan of the Zingali Z for years. I started teaching in 84 and finally put one in my show in about 1994.
Montreal may have been 1982- if so, please forgive my 26 years-ago recollections, but I'm sure they did do Rocky Point there- with the similar "Bullwinkle" opening set as well?
I was just looking at the scores from 1983, Garfield only lost once out of 39 shows! Prelims. ~Outstanding~
1.Santa Clara Vanguard 91.900
2 Blue Devils 91.150
2 Garfield Cadets 91.150
I had 50 yard line seats for this show. I was only 14 and it was the first time I'd ever seen a live drum corps event. Even then I knew I was witnessing something special. I've seen many shows since, but this is the only one that moved me to tears. I still get chills watching this compressed, VHS-copied recording. Thank you Garfield Cadets (and whoever posted this video)!
It's funny,When I marched people used to complain about how bad the activity had gotten. (Oh the glory days of the 70's bla bla bla)It seems like a life time ago( it actually was)but I remember how hard we worked to be good. Zingali and the staff pretty much beat the shows into us. That was the only reason we were so good. i think other corps had more talented players(BD,SCV) but we killed ourselves to be as good as we were.
@Offbeat1000 I saw the '83 show and it was amazing. But nothing will ever top '84 in Atlanta for me. I played in the Sky Ryders in '85 and '86, then joined Garfield in '87. My first week there, learning the drill, I kept thinking, "This is crazy, we can't play while doing this!" But we did. Zingali wrote the drill while Sylvester was the lead instructor. Through repetition out the wazoo and tweaking, it all came together, but for sure, we were still fixing drill right up until finals!
About the best 3:22 of drum corps that you will ever see.
17 seconds that changed DCI forever...the famous "Z" pull. Amazing footage.
One of the most, if not the most, iconic drill moves...the Cavaliers Dragon from "Variations on a Korean Folk Song" is also in the team picture.
Thanks for posting this, I was in the color guard, great stuff
Me too!
@@leannekosub142 Me, too!