@@SeeYouUpTheRoadon a 51cm at 170cm tall. But I’ve got short legs so the saddle height is at 67cm. I’ve changed out the top bearing cover for one with less stack to get it lower + a -17deg 130mm stem. Such a massive upgrade from my Cinelli Vigorelli road I had. That thing was so so stiff but fitted me well so I stuck with it.
Thanks George, I have a 53 logic and has the same wheelbase as my medium CLX colnago. I've got a a lay back seat post and slightly different cockpit setup. I find both bikes comfortable but with running 28mm tubeless(that'll wind you up) the Ritchey is definitely smoother and more versatile. I'll happily ride it on gravel and also it has enough performance and handling on the sealed road to cope any bunch ride. Thanks Bill from NZ
Im on a 51 road logic but looking to get a 53, taller stack with only a 5mm increase in reach. According to ritcheys size guide its what i should be on......chart wasn't available when i purchased. So essentially i came to my own natural conclusions based on riding the bike which matched the chart. 😂. Im 169cm for reference. Love your work george
great vid as always George,I take your points re the comparison,but I suspect the buyers of the respective bikes may have different expectations I may be wrong , but I think buyers of steel road bikes are probably of an older demographic,want a less boyracer type of bike
Generally the clientele of Ritchey steel bikes are older yes. Many of the riders have had all the super high tech carbon, disc brakes and electronic shifting. They are usually done with things breaking or being too maintenance intensive. The younger crowd will never understand or value the simplicity of a steel bike with external cabling and dear lord rim brakes? No way they would ride that death trap lol
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad ha I’m 24 and been a bike mechanic my entire adult life. The only one of my 7 bikes that isn’t older than me is my Ritchey Outback. I’m definitely not representative of the demographic though. Most riders I know around my age are on aluminum. My generation does not have much disposable income
Would have liked to have seen the comparison of the 49cm frames included. Big difference there in stack and reach between Road Logic and Tarmac. We small people do exist you know, but hardly anyone talks about the number of manufacturers that fail to cater for people under 5'3. PS, have you noticed that Bike Insights classes the Road Logic as an "endurance road bike" (the Tarmac as a "performance road bike"), which is why they conclude it to be "very aggressive" vs the average. You might want to pull them up on that classification.
Sorry the 5'3" and below crowd don't get the attention they deserve. And if the bike industry did it right they would bring back 650 for 5'3" and below. There is no way you can get a proper fit on a 700 wheeled bike!
If I was able to fit on a Tarmac without 4 cm of spacers or a 80 mm stem, I wouldn’t think twice about getting a Ritchey. I can’t. However the new Montebello in a size small just might be the ticket.
@@jerseybarrier64 there are many of us riding 4cm of spacers under the stem. Let me know when you are ready to order your Montebello i would love to earn your business
Love your videos George! Did i catch that right….you are barely 5’9” riding the 55cm frame with a 120 stem??? I am 5’10” and have a 56cm CAAD 13 and with the stock 100 stem i feel like it is too stretched out. I was considering a 53cm logic for next year’s bike but now you have me second guessing myself.
Yes I am barely 5'9" riding a 55cm with a 120mm stem with the saddle centered in the rails on a setback seat post. The most common fitting issue I find in my fitting stand is people are riding bikes that are too small for them. They need to learn to bend at the waist and bend their elbows. Another couple of measurements for you - from the tip of the saddle to the tip of the brake hood is 73cm and saddle height from pedal spindle to top of saddle 93.5 cm from the tip of the saddle to the center of the stem clamp a smidge over 56cm You have to do you and if you think you would be more comfortable on a 53cm go for it. When you are ready I would like to provide you with that frame ... if you are going to buy it anyway I would like that business! Contact me directly at revcycling@gmail.com
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad awesome, i haven’t really played around with the fitment much on that CAAD13. I got it in 2021 as a backup when bikes were over a year out and i stumbled upon it in stock at REI and bought it. I have a few other 54cm bikes with 120 stems so i thought i would be close to the 56 stock 100 stem with less spacers to make up the stack. I picked up a 54cm Trek Checkpoint this spring on sale and that has seen the bulk of my miles this summer. That fits me well but it has a 571 tt with an 80mm stem stock. I was considering selling the CAAD as i have been underwhelmed with how it rides compared to the 2011 CAAD10 i have from a decade ago. I feel they lost their way trying to make it suit everyone instead of making it another purebred race bike like the caad10 was. If i do go the ritchey route i will definitely keep you in mind.
@@jongill2120 the CAAD10 was probably one of the best Aluminum bikes ever made. I made a video about it. Short stems compromise handling. The longer the stem the more stable and predictable the bike will handle. People complain about neck pain, wrist pain, shoulder and tricep pain all because they are riding short stems. Push that thing out 110 minimum 120mm preferably or even 130mm.
Tend to agree. Frustrating when almost every so-called bike fitter on TH-cam says the exact opposite. And the hoods should not be the default hand position, imo, they should be a little more stretched. The bar top is an overlooked riding position which ought to be the default for cruising.@@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@@alastairwright77 the tops IS my default position. I am an ultra cyclist. I am almost never in a pack so do not need to be on the hoods. I just posted a video installing a demo saddle. You get a chance to see my position here (the initial install on the saddle was too high it kept coming down during my outside ride) Ritchey Skyline Saddle install how does it compare to BEST saddle - SQ Lab 612 th-cam.com/video/TXxptnjh3ng/w-d-xo.html
The Road Logic in 55cm is 8mm higher in stack and only 1mm longer in reach than my Cannondale CAAD10 and basically the same angles so I'd be riding the Ritchey size 55cm if I was to get one. I've never understood why people always make those geo questions, the Road Logic is a race bike, it's not trying to be something it's not. I'm just waiting to see what the 2025 rim brake Road Logic will be before I make a decision.
It is kinda weird that my 55cm Road Logic is a tad longer and lower than my 56cm Dogma F10. Given how compliant / flexy it is, at least compared to the Dogma, I would think its target audience would prefer a less aggressive position. I bought it to use as a winter bike, but turns out that I really like it, and often take it out when I just want a quiet, relaxing ride.
I hear this often. People buy the Road Logic thinking “well I’ll just ride it from time to time” or winter bike lot you said and then it becomes their primary bike. 🚴 Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I think the target audience would be someone who wants a well-made, relatively inexpensive steel frame, who prioritizes a smooth ride over stiffness, and prioritizes durability/simplicity over the latest technology. If so, I would think that same audience would also want a slightly less aggressive stack/reach - something like 5-10mm less reach and 5mm more stack.
It should be noted that Specialized has copied Ritchey designs in the past. One could argue they owe their existence to early Ritchey mtb designs they copied and called Stumpjumper.
Geometry is absolutely spot on for me
@@archieman123 and for me!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadon a 51cm at 170cm tall. But I’ve got short legs so the saddle height is at 67cm. I’ve changed out the top bearing cover for one with less stack to get it lower + a -17deg 130mm stem. Such a massive upgrade from my Cinelli Vigorelli road I had. That thing was so so stiff but fitted me well so I stuck with it.
Thanks George, I have a 53 logic and has the same wheelbase as my medium CLX colnago. I've got a a lay back seat post and slightly different cockpit setup. I find both bikes comfortable but with running 28mm tubeless(that'll wind you up) the Ritchey is definitely smoother and more versatile. I'll happily ride it on gravel and also it has enough performance and handling on the sealed road to cope any bunch ride. Thanks Bill from NZ
Ha ha tubeless doesn't wind me up anymore as I am riding 30's on the regular and 32's for events. Thanks for watching from NZ!
Im on a 51 road logic but looking to get a 53, taller stack with only a 5mm increase in reach. According to ritcheys size guide its what i should be on......chart wasn't available when i purchased. So essentially i came to my own natural conclusions based on riding the bike which matched the chart. 😂. Im 169cm for reference.
Love your work george
Had my Road Logic built up in 2016 at age 52. After a lifetime of racing and riding late 80s and early 90s bikes, it feels familiar. I like it.
Same for me! It’s very familiar to my race bikes but now it’s steel! Thanks for watching
Nice comparison George well explained👍🚴🏻😊 Pete
@@n22pdf Thank You for watching Pete!
great vid as always George,I take your points re the comparison,but I suspect the buyers of the respective bikes may have different expectations
I may be wrong , but I think buyers of steel road bikes are probably of an older demographic,want a less boyracer type of bike
Are folks buying steel bikes older? I wouldn’t think so as a rule
Generally the clientele of Ritchey steel bikes are older yes. Many of the riders have had all the super high tech carbon, disc brakes and electronic shifting. They are usually done with things breaking or being too maintenance intensive. The younger crowd will never understand or value the simplicity of a steel bike with external cabling and dear lord rim brakes? No way they would ride that death trap lol
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad ha I’m 24 and been a bike mechanic my entire adult life. The only one of my 7 bikes that isn’t older than me is my Ritchey Outback. I’m definitely not representative of the demographic though. Most riders I know around my age are on aluminum. My generation does not have much disposable income
Would have liked to have seen the comparison of the 49cm frames included. Big difference there in stack and reach between Road Logic and Tarmac. We small people do exist you know, but hardly anyone talks about the number of manufacturers that fail to cater for people under 5'3. PS, have you noticed that Bike Insights classes the Road Logic as an "endurance road bike" (the Tarmac as a "performance road bike"), which is why they conclude it to be "very aggressive" vs the average. You might want to pull them up on that classification.
Sorry the 5'3" and below crowd don't get the attention they deserve. And if the bike industry did it right they would bring back 650 for 5'3" and below. There is no way you can get a proper fit on a 700 wheeled bike!
Oh and I don't concern myself with what category anyone labels any bike. All I care about is the actual geometry data.
If I was able to fit on a Tarmac without 4 cm of spacers or a 80 mm stem, I wouldn’t think twice about getting a Ritchey. I can’t. However the new Montebello in a size small just might be the ticket.
@@jerseybarrier64 there are many of us riding 4cm of spacers under the stem. Let me know when you are ready to order your Montebello i would love to earn your business
Love your videos George!
Did i catch that right….you are barely 5’9” riding the 55cm frame with a 120 stem???
I am 5’10” and have a 56cm CAAD 13 and with the stock 100 stem i feel like it is too stretched out.
I was considering a 53cm logic for next year’s bike but now you have me second guessing myself.
Yes I am barely 5'9" riding a 55cm with a 120mm stem with the saddle centered in the rails on a setback seat post. The most common fitting issue I find in my fitting stand is people are riding bikes that are too small for them. They need to learn to bend at the waist and bend their elbows.
Another couple of measurements for you - from the tip of the saddle to the tip of the brake hood is 73cm and saddle height from pedal spindle to top of saddle 93.5 cm from the tip of the saddle to the center of the stem clamp a smidge over 56cm
You have to do you and if you think you would be more comfortable on a 53cm go for it. When you are ready I would like to provide you with that frame ... if you are going to buy it anyway I would like that business! Contact me directly at revcycling@gmail.com
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad awesome, i haven’t really played around with the fitment much on that CAAD13. I got it in 2021 as a backup when bikes were over a year out and i stumbled upon it in stock at REI and bought it. I have a few other 54cm bikes with 120 stems so i thought i would be close to the 56 stock 100 stem with less spacers to make up the stack. I picked up a 54cm Trek Checkpoint this spring on sale and that has seen the bulk of my miles this summer. That fits me well but it has a 571 tt with an 80mm stem stock.
I was considering selling the CAAD as i have been underwhelmed with how it rides compared to the 2011 CAAD10 i have from a decade ago. I feel they lost their way trying to make it suit everyone instead of making it another purebred race bike like the caad10 was.
If i do go the ritchey route i will definitely keep you in mind.
@@jongill2120 the CAAD10 was probably one of the best Aluminum bikes ever made. I made a video about it. Short stems compromise handling. The longer the stem the more stable and predictable the bike will handle. People complain about neck pain, wrist pain, shoulder and tricep pain all because they are riding short stems. Push that thing out 110 minimum 120mm preferably or even 130mm.
Tend to agree. Frustrating when almost every so-called bike fitter on TH-cam says the exact opposite. And the hoods should not be the default hand position, imo, they should be a little more stretched. The bar top is an overlooked riding position which ought to be the default for cruising.@@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@@alastairwright77 the tops IS my default position. I am an ultra cyclist. I am almost never in a pack so do not need to be on the hoods.
I just posted a video installing a demo saddle. You get a chance to see my position here (the initial install on the saddle was too high it kept coming down during my outside ride)
Ritchey Skyline Saddle install how does it compare to BEST saddle - SQ Lab 612
th-cam.com/video/TXxptnjh3ng/w-d-xo.html
Or ill get a small montebello which is same geo as a 54 domane
The Road Logic in 55cm is 8mm higher in stack and only 1mm longer in reach than my Cannondale CAAD10 and basically the same angles so I'd be riding the Ritchey size 55cm if I was to get one. I've never understood why people always make those geo questions, the Road Logic is a race bike, it's not trying to be something it's not. I'm just waiting to see what the 2025 rim brake Road Logic will be before I make a decision.
@@brasstinmancrazy correct! It’s for people that want a race bike but don’t want to ride a plastic bike 😉
It is kinda weird that my 55cm Road Logic is a tad longer and lower than my 56cm Dogma F10. Given how compliant / flexy it is, at least compared to the Dogma, I would think its target audience would prefer a less aggressive position. I bought it to use as a winter bike, but turns out that I really like it, and often take it out when I just want a quiet, relaxing ride.
I hear this often. People buy the Road Logic thinking “well I’ll just ride it from time to time” or winter bike lot you said and then it becomes their primary bike. 🚴
Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
By the way, who do you believe is the target audience?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I think the target audience would be someone who wants a well-made, relatively inexpensive steel frame, who prioritizes a smooth ride over stiffness, and prioritizes durability/simplicity over the latest technology. If so, I would think that same audience would also want a slightly less aggressive stack/reach - something like 5-10mm less reach and 5mm more stack.
It should be noted that Specialized has copied Ritchey designs in the past. One could argue they owe their existence to early Ritchey mtb designs they copied and called Stumpjumper.
Yep the evil S