I do not understand why "evidence" should be sealed? Evidence is exactly what it says. It should influence the jury. That is the purpose of gathering evidence.
It’s not a question of IF that evidence should influence the jury but of WHEN and HOW that evidence is presented to the jury. If all this evidence under seal makes its way to public knowledge long before the trial commences then potential jury members might have make judgements based on that information which makes empaneling an unbiased jury much more problematic.
The trial was already moved across the state because it was determined that the population in Moscow was bias. Keeping the evidence under seal until trial will help prevent the potential jury in Boise from being biased.
@ Defense is asking for it to be unsealed, and its normally the defense is asking for it to be sealed. DA has been misleading the media the whole time.
That’s where I disagree because if law-enforcement, the FBI obtained evidence without a warrant or unlawful search and seizure, that literally is a violation of said person‘s constitutional rights. Just because they have all this evidence doesn’t mean that it was lawfully obtained , and it doesn’t always mean that it’s admissible at trial
@@donmoore7785 wow it’s quite obvious that you didn’t read my complete comments and just the first part of it because those words and statements were included in my comment
I've never heard so many "I don't knows" and "I'm not sures" in my life. YOU ARE THE LEAD DETECTIVE. This is a DEATH PENALTY. Wake up people! These are our rights that are clearly getting violated.
@WHIT10E I worry that this is Idaho and they will do a sloppy job. They NEED to sharpen up everything and know their facts. I hope and pray when this is over we all feel 99-100% of guilt or innocence so the parents can all leave with 99% of the population can agree with the outcome. I can not imagine having people say he is innocent if he isn't . They NEED FACTS so they can try to take a deep breath and FINALLY GRIEVE and shut out the world
@tbaker852 All I want is TRUE justice for these kids and their families and so far it is very apparent everything is a lie. It seems they were too busy trying to make someone fit instead of taking the time. Did they rush things for enrollment? I'm not sure but what we have been shown so far ain't pretty and it's obvious why they are trying to hide it from us. This is a death penalty case. How can this be your work when you want to sentence someone to death! Mind blowing to me.
Tearing down the crime scene still blows my mind the jury should of been able to walk through this house period if I was a jury member I would want all the evidence period
You cannot be so naive to think the house was torn down to refuse jurors an opportunity. it was torn down because it was a slaughterhouse. Plenty of video and photographic evidence is available.
@@rpalmerrp21No, if he's let out because the actual evidence is too weak to get a guilty verdict (only the judge can decide that), or there are serious issues with the crime scene, witnesses, etc., and that judge can't stop that info from being mentioned in court (aka mitigating, exculpatory factors) that leave the door wide open for a "reasonable doubt", the prosecutor has to come up w/more, new evidence to start again. They could arrest him again and go to trial, and he could be convicted. This time around it is possible too many people, including the behavior of those survivors in the house, along with mistakes made by whoever put together the info for the GJ, the PCA/WmT., MPD, State and Fed FBI, and the 8 hr.delay and a compromised crime scene all before the MPD show up, could make it too dfficult to get that verdict this time. Who knows? Maybe someone with a guilty conscience, or a vicarious one who knows more might come forward, a parent reveals a diary, lots of things could happen to try again, for a second effort at putting someone away until they stand in front of that 'firing squad!"? Trying again isn't unusual, and neither is a judge under huge pressure to bring this guy to face his maker leaving out crucial factors that could lead to a not guilty verdict.. because of just one juror adamantly sticking to his guns about believing there's definitely reasonable doubt; in other words- can't convict the accused to the DP.
@@rpalmerrp21No, they let him go this time, they just have to come up with more and better evidence, but if the sheath evidence isn't thrown out by this judge, I believe it can be used again, even if it is thrown out (it won't be IMO) that decision could be reversed.Other more disturbing factors with the Prosecutor's case might exist than a few/insignificant "technicalities" w/the process identifying BK's DNA. However, they can try again to get him to court another time, succeed, and finally get a conviction. Someone may know the "real" killer(s?), if they exist and it's not BK. Time and unforeseen events, ya never know.
WHO belongs to the BLOOD DNA found on the glove just outside the house AND on the railing to the 3rd floor stairway ? Why wasn't that DNA tested??? Why was IGG not done on that DNA???
How do you know that it WASN'T? It could still be in the sealed evidence and will be provided closer to trial or AT trial. We are laypersons, we do NOT know all of the factors of proscecuting and defending a criminal death case of multiple people. I am here to tell you that evidentiary laws and conditions CHANGE when the crime or allegation moves into the Criminal Arena. That is WHY lawyers and judges are necessary. I know because I have had personal experiences where I saw this take place. I have been an advocate in court for people on both sides. IT is often mind boggling even when you have had the experiences of undertaking an inordinate amount of research on the behalf of anyone, whether it is yourself or someone else. I am expressing myself to you in this manner, because I did see your questions. People often do NOT realize that Genetic Research businesses have proprietary patents regarding their research protocols. They cannot reveal these processes in a public court room. There are ways in which it can be referred to in a careful general terms. I do not know what all of those parameters are. I have viewed MANY videos and documentaires about Geneological research of this type. I am also an amateur geneologist myself. I am not an authority on any of this, I am expressing some of my observations, that is all. Although I have had some initial thoughts and reactions regarding the accusations and charges levelled in this case, I DO reserve my rights to continue to watch and gain further education and knowledge regarding these factors.
@@jesclifford88 yes. he went to school for it and studied serial killers under his professor at desales. Katherine ramsland....kohberger is well qualified to pull such a crime off
Tell ‘em Charlene! You’re 💯 correct. It’s extremely effective solving dozens and dozens of important crimes. The use of such is the wave of the future! Go science!
We've seen what happens when justice is not transparent, when everything is kept behind closed doors like Delphi. it is NOT normal to seal this amount of evidence. Some yes i would understand but jot everything..
Missy Woods all star DNA “expert” charged with 102 charges ranging from DNA contamination to perjury. If DNA protocols aren’t proven to be followed correctly when they are attained & processed then they shouldn’t be allowed in.
@@markbaz I agree. Judge Hitler (err. . . Hipler) has already at least twice introduced his own opinions of guilt into the record. First, he likened touch DNA to fingerprints. (What? no exactly, Judge!) Then he recited a whole set of suspect paraphernalia -- coveralls, gloves, a garbage bag, etc. -- which he said was listed in an affidavit somewhere though no one seems to know what affidavit he was referring to.
There are four male DNAs, A,B,C and D. They only speaking of two and not addressing the other two. No names, including one that was male blood on the railing of the stairs! The entire case is bs!
Bill Thompson states in another hearing they didn’t really look into the other male dna. Which know that I hear was Blood on the handrail is kinda important!!
I disagree, police shouldn't be arresting people they're not confident are the guy. It's a STAGE in the process and their confidence in their stage of the process shouldn't invalidate the idea that the next stage, a fair trial, is invalidated.
Why is he not? He is a retired homicide detective and he works with the cold case foundation. Provide your reasoning as to why he's not credible. Because you don't like him?
@@SilentHillMyHomeDM reportedly heard things going on and dismissed it as KG playing with her dog. Then claimed to see a tall, dark figure with bushy eyebrows and a mask walk right towards her door, to leave out of the kitchen. How would that not scare her enough to call 911? So neither of the two living roommates had to use the bathroom after a long night of drinking for 8 hours?
It isn't when it's only "touch" DNA, there wasn't enough of it on the snap of that sheath, which as far as anyone can tell, didn't have the (supposedly) first two victims' DNA. They were not wearing gloves when one of them got it off the perp. The theory was that the perp cleaned the sheath, but forgot to check the snap, the only way to get the weapon out. The one of the steps in the process in getting his to match that sheath was to make more of the miniscule original sample, which, if true is scary. Another topic, but MPD stated numerous times they couldn't read the Elantras's plate, as ID only requires one on the rear. The Elantra BK drove was his mother's and had a front and back plate (PA). But out of all the videos the MPD has, one would think that inability to see the front one strange. The videos I have seen have a blurry area where a plate could go, but not one shows even a shadow or partial outline. If the prosecutor has a video showing that front license plate around the house that early a.m., it would be almost as important as that sheath because touch DNA is not the best evidence of ownership of that combat weapon, partly because there's at least 2 of the defense team's rebuttal experts who will explain to the jury how that very small amount could have been transferred from just about anything prior to the crimes and (this is what could be implied) after them. Haven't been able to figure out what was presented to the Grand Jury, and there's the rumor out there that the witness who saw the perp as stated in the Probable Cause Affidavit wasn't able to identify BK in the lineup at Moscow PD?
Deluded. There's far more evidence around suggesting he DIDN'T do it if you're willing to look for it and dig a little deeper than what you read on the news.
@@matthill2957 😂Congrats, this is officially the dumbest comment I've read today. First of all, the Moscow case isn't a serial killing, because they were all killed on the same day in the same location. Second, nobody knows whether any murder is associated with another murder until they are linked somehow, so unless there have been zero murders in the state of Idaho since November 2022, then nobody can say whether a serial killer is currently operating in that state. Delete your idiotic comment.
IMO I just can’t get past the issues Kaylee was having with her ex boyfriend who lived 2 doors down. The fact she called him multiple times right before this happened, the “what did you say to Adam?” Comment. Seems he had motive and access.
I understand protecting privacy but if it can lead to identification and conviction of a killer, I would give up my privacy right ....even if the killer was a relative.
Also, it's a somewhat small-town area. Jurors in surrounding neighborhoods are already going to know a lot about all the actors - their lives and behaviors - in this trial.
I really don’t want to see this guy escape justice due to a technicality, whether it’s from the police, the prosecution, or both. And to be honest, I truly believe Kohlberger’s defense team is aware of his guilt. They recognize it, which is why they’re focusing on challenging how the evidence was collected instead of the evidence itself. Of course, they’ll still question the credibility of that evidence if the judge doesn’t suppress it during these hearings. But now, they understand that their best shot at getting Kohlberger off is to convince the court to dismiss most, if not all, of the prosecution’s damaging evidence. They know they’re in deep trouble if even a portion of it makes it to trial.
People don’t seem to get it-Anne Taylor isn’t just talking about running a quick STR profile on that sheath DNA. She’s calling out how invasive it is to go full IGG mode, like turning a tiny DNA speck into someone’s autobiography. STR profiles? They’re like a quick “who is this?” IGG? That’s a full-on deep dive into your genetic history-like ancestry, health risks, what color socks you wore in 8th grade. And unless you’re dead or handed over your DNA on purpose, that’s crossing some major lines. The judge? He’s over there looking like he missed the memo. Anne’s not talking about a simple CODIS upload; she’s talking about them taking a spec and building a damn genetic mansion without a permit.
It’s still Bryan’s, isn’t it? He was there or knows something about it. That’s why they want it thrown out. Anne’s arguments lacked any convincing. She in her slow, measured speech said absolutely nothing.
@BizzieLizzie9179 Oh, Anne’s slow, measured speech? Yeah, she really dragged those pauses out like a Netflix buffer. But hey, let’s not jump the gun here. We don’t even know if the DNA belongs to Bryan, Garfield, or the neighbor’s dog, because the state’s playing the ‘privacy issues’ card like it’s a Vegas poker game. What we do know is that they said they used STR (you know, the gold standard), and it didn’t hit. So instead, they pulled out the IGG playbook-which is so controversial, it’s not even allowed in military court. And then there’s touch DNA, which is about as reliable as your phone’s autocorrect at 2 a.m. Leah Larkin and Bicka Barlow both have receipts on how unreliable and easily contaminated it can be. (Two experts that testified end of 2023 on behalf of the defense) Oh, and let’s not forget those other blood samples inside the home that got left out like the kid no one picked for dodgeball. So, while it’s easy to point fingers and say ‘Bryan did it,’ the science still feels like it’s stuck at the ‘maybe’ phase.”
@BizzieLizzie9179 It’s always wild when people talk about the case without actually following it-just reading headlines and believing everything the media says. Here's the thing: Anne Taylor (Bryan’s defense attorney) made it pretty clear in court that the defense has never even seen a video of Bryan’s car being anywhere near the King Road residence. That’s right-no video, no phone records tying him to the scene, nothing! The phone records? They don’t show Bryan near King Road at all. Like, zero. Zilch. So, as for this whole “he was hiding evidence” theory, it’s never been proven, and it’s never been in the documents. The defense has been pointing out from the start that there’s absolutely no evidence linking Bryan to the victims. Heck, the prosecution even had to clarify there was never any stalking involved. So, I’d recommend maybe actually diving into the court docs or watching the hearings for once-there’s a lot more to the case than what’s thrown around on the news. You might be surprised what you learn when you follow the actual proceedings! 😉
@@Douglas_Outlaw Hey Anne Taylor 2! Who cares about your long winded responses? BK was there, even Anne can’t argue that he wasn’t. She just argues that anything identifying BK should be thrown out. That’s cause she has nothing else. She going to fail. She got the venue changed and this judge ain’t buying what she selling like the other judge. Ok 👍
Indeed! Then you factor in the demolition of the crime scene (call it what you will, that's exactly what it was), and the potential of a coverup seems all that much more likely.
@@katiesioux7757Just because some people don’t think that BK is guilty doesn’t mean that they are fan or love him. Just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they’re wrong. He’s innocent until proven guilty. That’s how US Law works.
Sealing everything stinks. Everybody involved is adults. This is a railroad job. As far as the picture goes of the car, Bryan’s car does not have a sunroof.
The parents were in with gangs and drugs, they were snitching, being informants, that's what another news guy posts about. I think 2 or 3 of their parents.
@@Jack-russell103seriously? Kohberger hasn’t been convicted, nearly none of the evidence has been presented, and the way America works is innocent until proven guilty. The ethical thing to do is think of what else could have possibly happened? And 3 victims were known to haven connections to drug dealings - that is not made up information. It’s common knowledge that cartels will go after family to maintain control through fear. I’m not saying that’s what happened, but I think it’s just as viable as a random male breaking it with 0 trace evidence at the scene or on him and killing 4 people in, what, 9 minutes? And it not to wake up the other two roommates 😬
You shouldn’t spread such rumors about the victims families!! There is no proof of this garbage other than TH-cam creators creating their own narrative and it is wrong!!!!!
You’re too smart to think this case is not a miscarriage of justice. I have no clue who did this. I do have many 1st hand facts. It was not 1 person , it was parallel crimes. And the drug task force isn’t sacrificing their work for 4 people. That’s from le.
@@Jm5h4n Are you in law enforcement? A detective? I'm sure not so save your "beliefs" and we shall see at the trial. Nothing in this case compares to the delphi case and no sign Kohlberger is not getting his rights. Quit listening to the defense and look at all of it.
yeh, and his team thinks this is the best they can do for him? even just seeing the length of the list of evidence they wish to seal/suppress, that's a bad look for him.
@@SusanaXpeace2u Perhaps you missed the part that said Defense wants to unseal the evidence. It is the Prosecution that's fighting to keep everything sealed.
Touch dna is not even admissible in much of the world and uts the entire case in Idaho. Plus it was supposedly jot collected from the crime scene for almost a day. It lasts hours not a day. This entire case is hanging on evidence that doesn't even prove Brian was in the house its ridiculous
No. You are ridiculous. If touch DNA was disallowed in America we’d all know because Ann Taylor would have devoted 5 months of time, energy and resources on law and motion work trying to cram it down our throats! Plainly, you have zero persuasive authority to bolster your wish that touch DNA be deemed inadmissible against BK.
I find the prosecution to be very confused & incompetent I Watched both trails yesterday & today, the judge got really irritated with the prosecution They have definitely not prepared well. I believe he is not guilty This entire case stinks of corruption BK looks very ill, I will be surprised if he makes it to August If he is not guilty, this will be the biggest case in History of prosecution, police, university, parents and FBI witness, affidavits, evidence tampering There is no DNA, it was a wild IGG familial match. It’s NOT valid
Wow seriously!?! You are dreaming!!! There is DNA and like it or not it was BRYAN KOHBERGERS!!! He is guilty and the whole world see’s it except for a few people who seem to be infatuated with him!
@@allisonangelafleming touch DNA.. on a MOVEABLE OBJECT.. nowhere else.. think about that. The ISP lab would've used that whole sample.. so where did the FBI get more DNA from. The FBI then tipped MPD.. and without that tip info of BK... THERE WOULD BE NO CASE FOR BK. BK HAS BEEN SITTING IN JAIL FOR NOTHING AND NO EVIDENCE... EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE SCREAMING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW...
@@allisonangelaflemingyou claiming the whole world sees it is not the evidence needed in this case to convict him. Do your research and stop misleading these ignorant guilters. How is it that even the lead investigator is clueless about his own case and doesn’t supervise anything.
Vinnie, I know you need a tag line, a send off, but "don't forget to hug the kids" seems a bit creepy given the dark, dark nature of these podcasts. Or maybe it's just me. It creeps ME out.
@ maybe all they had before the IGG was the suspicious car, the IGG then gave them a target to get the rest, find the target than back engineer the investigation top down instead of bottom up. Phone records? The phone records are his phone was turned off at the time of the crime.. I’m not sticking up for this POS I think he did it and I think he’ll get the ultimate rehabilitation, however I think they were under so much pressure to come up with answers that they probably did some things and identified him through the IGG then created the trail of evidence to make it look like a bottom up investigation instead of top down
@@suthrlin82 There was some phone evidence. After the IGG results came back then they had a name. They looked into him and found out there was old body camera footage of him being pulled over. In the footage he gave the officer his phone number. So then they took his phone number and got a warrant to see where that phone was pinging. They took the information that the cell service provider gave them and they sent it to the FBI CAST team. The FBI team analyzed it and it turned out that they had him leaving his apartment at the same time there was video footage of a white Elantra leaving Bryan’s street. The FBI said he left Pullman headed east at the same time that there was footage of this white Elantra leaving Pullman, headed east. They said that at about the same time that he left Pullman he disconnected from cell towers. When he reconnected it was hours later and he was like 40 minutes south of Moscow and Pullman. They tracked him back up to Pullman and he they had footage of him when he returned and went back to his street. At like 6:00am, on the morning of the crime, the FBI said he returned to the crime scene and left his phone on. Assuming that he’s guilty this could be because he realized he left his knife sheath there and was considering retrieving it. So I don’t really think they back engineered anything..I just think that’s the natural course of the investigation. They had the car on video and they were looking for that. Then they got the IGG results back and they had a name. With the name they got the phone investigation etc
@@curtf9813 it’s the phone evidence before the night of, correct? Shows his phone in town pinging off the same tower as the house would, it all matters if they came up with the phone before or after the IGG, the defense is trying to say they got his name from the IGG then tracked the phone and everything else and since most of the evidence and hearings are closed it doesn’t appear we know what came first or the process which is what their challenging
She put a whole bunch of damaging bullet holes in the prosecution's' case yesterday. I was having doubts before in regards to Kobergers innocence but not anymore. Not after learning that three unknown blood samples were also found at the crime scene but never tested. This proves that BK could never have acted alone and since he's been portrayed as being a total loner, well you do the math. She also picked apart so many other things to suggest that the sheath was planted and the gathered touch DNA artificially placed on the snap.
@insanemamegamer1 did they confirm they didn't test them? Or is the defense saying there's no mention of it in the discovery files. And are we talking about the bloody gloves they found at his apartment or another one they found at the murder scene?
@@jimnasium7700 There was a glove found outside of the house with an unknown person's blood DNA. There was also blood from three other unknown people found inside the house. This would suggest that other people were involved. The fact the victim wounds weren't all the same further supports the claim of multiple people using multiple weapons during the attack.
They didn't need warrants for igg, the trash or the dna on the knife sheath. All totally legal. Didn't yu here the judge tell anne taylor that? He said it loud and clear
Hey friend!!! I want to say thank you for your wisdom in how court cases are argued. I sure with your panel of guests we may get some answers. Thank you
34:10 The government using my DNA to identify criminals is the very, very, very last entry on my list of “Reasons why I will never submit my DNA to a random company.”
@ Less on the list and more of an “oh, and that too.” But, primarily that the company now my DNA sequence and are able to use it for who-only-knows what, now or in the future.
The defense team is doing a great job with all you nut bags. There was a witness, only one person was in the house and she described Bryan to a T. His DNA was in the house even though he claimed to never have been there. His car is identical to the one seen fleeing the scene. There's not one person coming fwd defending this man... He's guilty, one million percent
@@matthill2957 people that are giving their DNA are not reading the contract. There are companies that do not allow police to use their data bases. But obviously someone in BK family did not use those companies. They used a company that allows it. If people don’t want their DNA out there they need to do more research on what the companies do with it. It is on the customers not LE.
Because it is such a publicized case, and many of our towns are small rural communities…..I think until the jurors are selected and sequestered…..the information regarding evidence needs to be sealed. He is presumed innocent until proven guilty and that protects the integrity of a fair trial process. Our justice system must uphold a standard for fair trial process. Mistakes result in endless appeals. Do it right the first time……it’s fair for all involved.
Why Is Everything Sealed???! My Thoughts...If He Really Thinks That He Has A Chance Of To GETTING OUT??!!!▪︎▪︎▪︎ NOPE! When The Feds Are Involved... You Are DONE!
@@Ab12120 whats a rug house? We have party houses in the colleges I went to, is that what you meant? And if that’s the case, whats wrong with it? I still don’t get why the original comment pointed this fact out without any other information?
😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 order to seal 😮😮tearing the house down before trial this case stinks really bad and I bet they know who done this but there going to walk and frame a innocent man but let's be honest this happens all to often 😢
Why didn't they feel that the blood found in the glove or on the handrail on the stairs was relevant? When will we find out if the Frank's hearing is granted or not?
Spec of dna under one of the victims. Where the room probably looked like a slaughterhouse ? ( I don't " buy that ") And not a spec of blood in Bryan's car
The defense can't pick and choose what they want sealed and not sealed. They complain in one breath that the case can't be tried in the county it happened because of coverage, then the next, they want everything unsealed. Give me a break. Sick and tired of the games defense play.
Same. Ann Taylor sounded like a floundering 6th grader who didn't read the book and was asked to present the book report in front of the class. She's trying to literally redefine law that is the cornerstone of our system, like the definition of probable cause, and idiots on the internet are falling for her lies. It's why I have very little faith in juries, they're made up of the kind of people who think BK is innocent.
I cece I have a problem with u !!!! Why do u give law enforcement ability to use loop holes !!! I really think that’s wrong !!!! That u get to play with people dna and you’re not hold accountable !!! For your gain ! Death penalty cases not a game !! I feel if that’s the Man U better have everything done the right way and it’s fact not base on assumption !!! Just saying my opinion!!!
The majority of the sealing from the very beginning has been by the State though. I think it was also because of the adverse publicity regarding so many early failures in ithe early investigation, inadequate crime scene search and not securing the crime scene properly. The state has been responsible for not handing over thei discovery constantly and many of sealed pieces of evidence have not been disclosed to the defence.
The state has given everything they have over to the defense. It is the FBI that has not been timely about handing over their portion of the investigation. The state/judge can only tell them so many times. The FBI thinks they can do whatever they want because they are the “FBI”.
It is not our business, nor is it good practice for them to announce all the prosecution has. It is bad enough people stick their noses in where it doesn't belong.
He was working on his PHd. I have to wonder if he was trying to create the perfect crime, but slipped up leaving his DNA on a knife sheath. He seems like a wack job to me!
If he had planned this (and I doubt that he did), he would have had to have slipped up way more than just that. What kind of idiot drives his own car to a crime scene and then parades around the neighborhood in front of every available ring camera like a drunken tourist looking for a place to park? What kind of idiot brings his cellphone along, knowing it can be traced? What kind of an idiot crosses State lines from Washington, which doesn't have a death penalty, into Idaho, which does? The list goes on and on. It doesn't add up. You and/or I wouldn't have made these sophomoric mistakes, let alone a Ph.D. in criminology.
Not testing other DNA found in that house is injustice??? Blood on a handrail on the stairs a glove??? Don't be builders innocent until pro quilty!!!🙈🙉🙊
That's a good question. It may have been a DoorDash driver; it may have been a compilation of more than one vehicle. Nothing has been proven yet, and I don't see that the State's narrative is provable at all.
They do have that information. Today AT addressed the issue that the final drive test results compared with the cell phone data places him at two different places. The car shows him at one place yet hus cell data showed he was miles away.
Look at the victims parents being informants and in with the higher up gangs. Why is this guy that's not an investigator posting about this with the parents and the snitching, but the ones who are working on the case hasn't mentioned it
There was an informant that gave the name and a photo. The individual disposed of the camera that took the photo per the court hearing on Thursday 1/23. Touch DNA is very small. The DNA was ran illegally per the Prosecution team by the FBI, per the hearing on 1/24: 23 and Me and GED. 23 and Me does not participate, but the FBI did this anyway, stated in court in the hearing 1/24! The informant is also not a reliable source per the Defense!
@@Constitutionalapologist but if someone puts their DNA on a site that allows the police to use it for an investigation, then it is legal. I think the big point here, is for citizens or customers of these companies, to read the fine print. They just give their consent willy nilly. They don’t know what they are consenting to cuz they did not read the contract.
@Thetruthwillprevail231 yes, for sure, I agree. The thing I'm trying to say is that the relatives to the people that send in their DNA may not consent.
and ISP lab wouldve used that whole sample.. so where and how did the FBI get more DNA from. Let's also not ignore that there was unknown male blood on the stair railing... makes sense why the house got torn down 🤣
I do not understand why "evidence" should be sealed? Evidence is exactly what it says. It should influence the jury. That is the purpose of gathering evidence.
It’s not a question of IF that evidence should influence the jury but of WHEN and HOW that evidence is presented to the jury. If all this evidence under seal makes its way to public knowledge long before the trial commences then potential jury members might have make judgements based on that information which makes empaneling an unbiased jury much more problematic.
The trial was already moved across the state because it was determined that the population in Moscow was bias. Keeping the evidence under seal until trial will help prevent the potential jury in Boise from being biased.
So it can be presented to the jury during trial not before
@ Defense is asking for it to be unsealed, and its normally the defense is asking for it to be sealed. DA has been misleading the media the whole time.
You can put a bad connotation on evidence. Also evidence can be false evidence.
NO evidence should ever be excluded. The victims and families deserve the truth and justice.
Thats right!! Your are totally right!
That’s where I disagree because if law-enforcement, the FBI obtained evidence without a warrant or unlawful search and seizure, that literally is a violation of said person‘s constitutional rights. Just because they have all this evidence doesn’t mean that it was lawfully obtained , and it doesn’t always mean that it’s admissible at trial
Um, not if the evidence was improperly obtained.
@@donmoore7785 wow it’s quite obvious that you didn’t read my complete comments and just the first part of it because those words and statements were included in my comment
Judge Gull..."Evidence... denied"
I've never heard so many "I don't knows" and "I'm not sures" in my life. YOU ARE THE LEAD DETECTIVE. This is a DEATH PENALTY. Wake up people! These are our rights that are clearly getting violated.
@WHIT10E I worry that this is Idaho and they will do a sloppy job. They NEED to sharpen up everything and know their facts. I hope and pray when this is over we all feel 99-100% of guilt or innocence so the parents can all leave with 99% of the population can agree with the outcome. I can not imagine having people say he is innocent if he isn't . They NEED FACTS so they can try to take a deep breath and FINALLY GRIEVE and shut out the world
Maybe speedy trial shouldn't have been waived two years ago.
@tbaker852 All I want is TRUE justice for these kids and their families and so far it is very apparent everything is a lie. It seems they were too busy trying to make someone fit instead of taking the time. Did they rush things for enrollment? I'm not sure but what we have been shown so far ain't pretty and it's obvious why they are trying to hide it from us.
This is a death penalty case. How can this be your work when you want to sentence someone to death! Mind blowing to me.
@@Legions66are you suggesting that the 2 years that has passed… has tainted their memories? …. Seriously?
@@Legions66It was his right to have it waived.
Glad you're coming around to the truth Vinnie! Keep it up💕
Tearing down the crime scene still blows my mind the jury should of been able to walk through this house period if I was a jury member I would want all the evidence period
You cannot be so naive to think the house was torn down to refuse jurors an opportunity. it was torn down because it was a slaughterhouse. Plenty of video and photographic evidence is available.
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The school doesn't care about the murdered students or any other students, just money
This way if he gets let go there’s no revisiting the cases main evidence. No finding the real killer.
@@rpalmerrp21No, if he's let out because the actual evidence is too weak to get a guilty verdict (only the judge can decide that), or there are serious issues with the crime scene, witnesses, etc., and that judge can't stop that info from being mentioned in court (aka mitigating, exculpatory factors) that leave the door wide open for a "reasonable doubt", the prosecutor has to come up w/more, new evidence to start again. They could arrest him again and go to trial, and he could be convicted. This time around it is possible too many people, including the behavior of those survivors in the house, along with mistakes made by whoever put together the info for the GJ, the PCA/WmT., MPD, State and Fed FBI, and the 8 hr.delay and a compromised crime scene all before the MPD show up, could make it too dfficult to get that verdict this time. Who knows? Maybe someone with a guilty conscience, or a vicarious one who knows more might come forward, a parent reveals a diary, lots of things could happen to try again, for a second effort at putting someone away until they stand in front of that 'firing squad!"? Trying again isn't unusual, and neither is a judge under huge pressure to bring this guy to face his maker leaving out crucial factors that could lead to a not guilty verdict.. because of just one juror adamantly sticking to his guns about believing there's definitely reasonable doubt; in other words- can't convict the accused to the DP.
@@rpalmerrp21No, they let him go this time, they just have to come up with more and better evidence, but if the sheath evidence isn't thrown out by this judge, I believe it can be used again, even if it is thrown out (it won't be IMO) that decision could be reversed.Other more disturbing factors with the Prosecutor's case might exist than a few/insignificant "technicalities" w/the process identifying BK's DNA. However, they can try again to get him to court another time, succeed, and finally get a conviction. Someone may know the "real" killer(s?), if they exist and it's not BK. Time and unforeseen events, ya never know.
You know it's not normal.
Absolutely the best breakdown regarding this case and IGG. Thank You as always Vinnie for excellent reporting ❤🎉
I agree!! Those cops shld listen to this gal because I have a feeling they don’t quite get it!
WHO belongs to the BLOOD DNA found on the glove just outside the house AND on the railing to the 3rd floor stairway ? Why wasn't that DNA tested??? Why was IGG not done on that DNA???
@@Moonflower_Laza Obviously the other people involved. Doesn’t excuse BK cause he was there!
How do you know that it WASN'T? It could still be in the sealed evidence and will be provided closer to trial or AT trial. We are laypersons, we do NOT know all of the factors of proscecuting and defending a criminal death case of multiple people. I am here to tell you that evidentiary laws and conditions CHANGE when the crime or allegation moves into the Criminal Arena. That is WHY lawyers and judges are necessary. I know because I have had personal experiences where I saw this take place. I have been an advocate in court for people on both sides. IT is often mind boggling even when you have had the experiences of undertaking an inordinate amount of research on the behalf of anyone, whether it is yourself or someone else.
I am expressing myself to you in this manner, because I did see your questions.
People often do NOT realize that Genetic Research businesses have proprietary patents regarding their research protocols. They cannot reveal these processes in a public court room. There are ways in which it can be referred to in a careful general terms. I do not know what all of those parameters are. I have viewed MANY videos and documentaires about Geneological research of this type. I am also an amateur geneologist myself.
I am not an authority on any of this, I am expressing some of my observations, that is all.
Although I have had some initial thoughts and reactions regarding the accusations and charges levelled in this case, I DO reserve my rights to continue to watch and gain further education and knowledge regarding these factors.
@ no one else was involved. a crime like this is always committed alone ask ted bundy and Danny rolling
@@Jack-russell103pretty efficient and professional
@@jesclifford88 yes. he went to school for it and studied serial killers under his professor at desales. Katherine ramsland....kohberger is well qualified to pull such a crime off
So many cold cases are solved with family dna
Tell ‘em Charlene! You’re 💯 correct. It’s extremely effective solving dozens and dozens of important crimes. The use of such is the wave of the future! Go science!
Active cases, also.
@@CharleneWagner-u7s rightly so!
Exactly 💯%
Unless it's Delphi... use the DNA and phone data,killer caught,Rick Allen freed,simple as that!
Most ridiculous testimony of law enforcement I’ve ever seen. And Ashley Jennings spoke like she was 15 years old. Wow this case is ridiculous
We've seen what happens when justice is not transparent, when everything is kept behind closed doors like Delphi. it is NOT normal to seal this amount of evidence. Some yes i would understand but jot everything..
Missy Woods all star DNA “expert” charged with 102 charges ranging from DNA contamination to perjury.
If DNA protocols aren’t proven to be followed correctly when they are attained & processed then they shouldn’t be allowed in.
Court rooms are public… but many judges (ahem…Judge Gull) think they can do whatever they want in them.
Exactly... thank you!
There WILL be a retrial.
@@markbazdoubtful
@@markbaz I agree. Judge Hitler (err. . . Hipler) has already at least twice introduced his own opinions of guilt into the record. First, he likened touch DNA to fingerprints. (What? no exactly, Judge!) Then he recited a whole set of suspect paraphernalia -- coveralls, gloves, a garbage bag, etc. -- which he said was listed in an affidavit somewhere though no one seems to know what affidavit he was referring to.
Then why didn't they do it for the 3 other blood dnas' that they have? ?
Bc it wasn’t on the sheath
There are four male DNAs, A,B,C and D. They only speaking of two and not addressing the other two. No names, including one that was male blood on the railing of the stairs! The entire case is bs!
How do you know they haven’t , guess what you don’t know everything .. I know shocking
Are you an investigator or a scientist?
Bill Thompson states in another hearing they didn’t really look into the other male dna. Which know that I hear was Blood on the handrail is kinda important!!
The defense needs to ask. What person in LE is credited with saying "this is our guy"
Why?
They don’t remember anyway.
I disagree, police shouldn't be arresting people they're not confident are the guy. It's a STAGE in the process and their confidence in their stage of the process shouldn't invalidate the idea that the next stage, a fair trial, is invalidated.
Lead detective in a death penalty case…. Said “I do not remember” over 50 times on the stand. 🤯
Oh they have!
Vinnie, you should not put Chris McDonut on your show. He's not credible at all.
Why is he not? He is a retired homicide detective and he works with the cold case foundation. Provide your reasoning as to why he's not credible. Because you don't like him?
We are now slowly witnessing what happened to Richard Allen. Many people are showing possible evidence that the same thing is happening in this case.
Please. You don't understand evidence from a hole in the wall. When you're evil, you're evil. Not you, them.
Yes, Allen is guilty, but I do think this guy is guilty too. Though I must admit I'm not MAGA
@@martinhumblewhat does your political views have anything to do with if he is guilty or not?
@@Thetruthwillprevail231right? What a ridiculous comment
These two cases are completely different - Kohberger has not proposed third party involvement and has an unverifiable alibi of star gazing at 4 AM.
8 hour delay in calling 911 kids knew about this before police says a lots smh😮
Hungover drunk college students waking up at noon on a Sunday is soooooooo “suspicious”.
Lmao 🤣
@@SilentHillMyHome well if they can text during this tragedy then they can’t be too drunk! hmmm
@@MarieRebelRumor
@@SilentHillMyHomeDM reportedly heard things going on and dismissed it as KG playing with her dog. Then claimed to see a tall, dark figure with bushy eyebrows and a mask walk right towards her door, to leave out of the kitchen. How would that not scare her enough to call 911? So neither of the two living roommates had to use the bathroom after a long night of drinking for 8 hours?
Not to mention the stench of blood and decaying corpses penetrating the house! Ugh! Many unquestioned details about this case stink to high heaven.
I can't even imagine being on that defense team and having to argue against evidence that is so incriminating.
It isn't when it's only "touch" DNA, there wasn't enough of it on the snap of that sheath, which as far as anyone can tell, didn't have the (supposedly) first two victims' DNA. They were not wearing gloves when one of them got it off the perp. The theory was that the perp cleaned the sheath, but forgot to check the snap, the only way to get the weapon out. The one of the steps in the process in getting his to match that sheath was to make more of the miniscule original sample, which, if true is scary. Another topic, but MPD stated numerous times they couldn't read the Elantras's plate, as ID only requires one on the rear. The Elantra BK drove was his mother's and had a front and back plate (PA). But out of all the videos the MPD has, one would think that inability to see the front one strange. The videos I have seen have a blurry area where a plate could go, but not one shows even a shadow or partial outline. If the prosecutor has a video showing that front license plate around the house that early a.m., it would be almost as important as that sheath because touch DNA is not the best evidence of ownership of that combat weapon, partly because there's at least 2 of the defense team's rebuttal experts who will explain to the jury how that very small amount could have been transferred from just about anything prior to the crimes and (this is what could be implied) after them. Haven't been able to figure out what was presented to the Grand Jury, and there's the rumor out there that the witness who saw the perp as stated in the Probable Cause Affidavit wasn't able to identify BK in the lineup at Moscow PD?
Deluded. There's far more evidence around suggesting he DIDN'T do it if you're willing to look for it and dig a little deeper than what you read on the news.
Crazy to think, that if Bryan didn't do it, the real murderer is still walking free.
Notice how there hasnt been a serial killing in Idaho with him locked up…
@@matthill2957 😂Congrats, this is officially the dumbest comment I've read today. First of all, the Moscow case isn't a serial killing, because they were all killed on the same day in the same location. Second, nobody knows whether any murder is associated with another murder until they are linked somehow, so unless there have been zero murders in the state of Idaho since November 2022, then nobody can say whether a serial killer is currently operating in that state.
Delete your idiotic comment.
IMO I just can’t get past the issues Kaylee was having with her ex boyfriend who lived 2 doors down. The fact she called him multiple times right before this happened, the “what did you say to Adam?” Comment. Seems he had motive and access.
I understand protecting privacy but if it can lead to identification and conviction of a killer, I would give up my privacy right ....even if the killer was a relative.
@matthill2957 that has nothing to do with it. If I was the other guy, I would be real quiet too now that the focus is on Bryan
Also, it's a somewhat small-town area. Jurors in surrounding neighborhoods are already going to know a lot about all the actors - their lives and behaviors - in this trial.
I really don’t want to see this guy escape justice due to a technicality, whether it’s from the police, the prosecution, or both.
And to be honest, I truly believe Kohlberger’s defense team is aware of his guilt. They recognize it, which is why they’re focusing on challenging how the evidence was collected instead of the evidence itself.
Of course, they’ll still question the credibility of that evidence if the judge doesn’t suppress it during these hearings. But now, they understand that their best shot at getting Kohlberger off is to convince the court to dismiss most, if not all, of the prosecution’s damaging evidence. They know they’re in deep trouble if even a portion of it makes it to trial.
It’s first thing any lawyer would do. Did they read your rights, did they obtain every warrant legally and so on… part of any defense lawyers process
Hey, they've gotta' start somewhere, and this is a DP case -- leave no stones untuned.
People don’t seem to get it-Anne Taylor isn’t just talking about running a quick STR profile on that sheath DNA. She’s calling out how invasive it is to go full IGG mode, like turning a tiny DNA speck into someone’s autobiography. STR profiles? They’re like a quick “who is this?” IGG? That’s a full-on deep dive into your genetic history-like ancestry, health risks, what color socks you wore in 8th grade. And unless you’re dead or handed over your DNA on purpose, that’s crossing some major lines. The judge? He’s over there looking like he missed the memo. Anne’s not talking about a simple CODIS upload; she’s talking about them taking a spec and building a damn genetic mansion without a permit.
It’s still Bryan’s, isn’t it? He was there or knows something about it. That’s why they want it thrown out. Anne’s arguments lacked any convincing. She in her slow, measured speech said absolutely nothing.
@BizzieLizzie9179 Oh, Anne’s slow, measured speech? Yeah, she really dragged those pauses out like a Netflix buffer. But hey, let’s not jump the gun here. We don’t even know if the DNA belongs to Bryan, Garfield, or the neighbor’s dog, because the state’s playing the ‘privacy issues’ card like it’s a Vegas poker game. What we do know is that they said they used STR (you know, the gold standard), and it didn’t hit. So instead, they pulled out the IGG playbook-which is so controversial, it’s not even allowed in military court. And then there’s touch DNA, which is about as reliable as your phone’s autocorrect at 2 a.m. Leah Larkin and Bicka Barlow both have receipts on how unreliable and easily contaminated it can be. (Two experts that testified end of 2023 on behalf of the defense) Oh, and let’s not forget those other blood samples inside the home that got left out like the kid no one picked for dodgeball. So, while it’s easy to point fingers and say ‘Bryan did it,’ the science still feels like it’s stuck at the ‘maybe’ phase.”
@@Douglas_Outlaw BK car was there, he was acting suspicious and hiding evidence. Just coincidence, I suppose 🤷♀️ Sure 👍
@BizzieLizzie9179
It’s always wild when people talk about the case without actually following it-just reading headlines and believing everything the media says. Here's the thing: Anne Taylor (Bryan’s defense attorney) made it pretty clear in court that the defense has never even seen a video of Bryan’s car being anywhere near the King Road residence. That’s right-no video, no phone records tying him to the scene, nothing! The phone records? They don’t show Bryan near King Road at all. Like, zero. Zilch.
So, as for this whole “he was hiding evidence” theory, it’s never been proven, and it’s never been in the documents. The defense has been pointing out from the start that there’s absolutely no evidence linking Bryan to the victims. Heck, the prosecution even had to clarify there was never any stalking involved. So, I’d recommend maybe actually diving into the court docs or watching the hearings for once-there’s a lot more to the case than what’s thrown around on the news. You might be surprised what you learn when you follow the actual proceedings! 😉
@@Douglas_Outlaw Hey Anne Taylor 2! Who cares about your long winded responses? BK was there, even Anne can’t argue that he wasn’t. She just argues that anything identifying BK should be thrown out. That’s cause she has nothing else. She going to fail. She got the venue changed and this judge ain’t buying what she selling like the other judge. Ok 👍
The whole world knows about this case
The US is not the world
@@martinhumblehello, people from all countries are following
yeah its a big one
The Netherlands represent🇳🇱@@martinhumble
Yeah, South African here. It's not in our news, but many are following it on the Internet, especially on TH-cam
Way over my head Vinny !!
Even so great to hear from you again !!!
This whole case is not normal very odd . Always Wonder if there cover up something big there.
Of course they are covering up something HUGE! If I lived in Moscow I woulda move a long time ago.. we got murders running free.
Indeed! Then you factor in the demolition of the crime scene (call it what you will, that's exactly what it was), and the potential of a coverup seems all that much more likely.
THANK YOU FOR FINALLY WAKING UP! THEY HAVE NO CASE!!
How does anyone know, yet you seem so certain? I doubt Vinnie knows because there's a GAG ORDER in place. Truth is, none of us know.
Sad case😢
An innocent man is being framed!
@@roseannahall265lmfao
It's crazy how killers end up with groupies
@@katiesioux7757Just because some people don’t think that BK is guilty doesn’t mean that they are fan or love him. Just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they’re wrong. He’s innocent until proven guilty. That’s how US Law works.
Wait,its been 3 years already?!WTH
2 years
I thought it was 3 yrs as well 🥺
It feels like it’s been dragging for 10 yrs!
2 years 2 months ago. Not 3 years. It happened November 2022.
@@hfrt29 No, it’s been 2 years, 2 months.
Social media is not going anywhere so they better get used to it
Sealing everything stinks. Everybody involved is adults.
This is a railroad job. As far as the picture goes of the car, Bryan’s car does not have a sunroof.
What .. oh please
How about you wait for court sparky
The parents were in with gangs and drugs, they were snitching, being informants, that's what another news guy posts about. I think 2 or 3 of their parents.
absolutely nothing to do with kohberger killing the 4 kids. youre repeating bs conspiracy theories. pls stop
@@Jack-russell103seriously? Kohberger hasn’t been convicted, nearly none of the evidence has been presented, and the way America works is innocent until proven guilty. The ethical thing to do is think of what else could have possibly happened? And 3 victims were known to haven connections to drug dealings - that is not made up information. It’s common knowledge that cartels will go after family to maintain control through fear. I’m not saying that’s what happened, but I think it’s just as viable as a random male breaking it with 0 trace evidence at the scene or on him and killing 4 people in, what, 9 minutes? And it not to wake up the other two roommates 😬
You shouldn’t spread such rumors about the victims families!! There is no proof of this garbage other than TH-cam creators creating their own narrative and it is wrong!!!!!
What? Do you believe everything you see and hear??
ABSOLUTE TWADDLE! GO PLAY WITH YOUR CRAYONS AND COLOURING BOOK AND STOP WATCHING AND BELIEVING THE GRIFTERS ON TH-cam... ITS DISGUSTING
Always remember never believe anything you hear can only believe half of what you see.
Just wait until the truth comes out about bret Kopacka
Right!?
You’re too smart to think this case is not a miscarriage of justice. I have no clue who did this. I do have many 1st hand facts. It was not 1 person , it was parallel crimes. And the drug task force isn’t sacrificing their work for 4 people. That’s from le.
@@Jm5h4n Are you in law enforcement? A detective? I'm sure not so save your "beliefs" and we shall see at the trial. Nothing in this case compares to the delphi case and no sign Kohlberger is not getting his rights. Quit listening to the defense and look at all of it.
Vinnie is looking GOOD
I often ask myself what type of woman would Vinnie be attracted to...and where is his local clone? ❤🤣
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I was just telling my sister how good he is looking tonite lmao
I forgot, do they have evidence that he had purchased kbar knife?
@@Sweptbythesea definitely
All of this sealed evidence is a huge red flag. 🚩 Try big messy.
yeh, and his team thinks this is the best they can do for him? even just seeing the length of the list of evidence they wish to seal/suppress, that's a bad look for him.
@@SusanaXpeace2u Perhaps you missed the part that said Defense wants to unseal the evidence. It is the Prosecution that's fighting to keep everything sealed.
Love ur show Vinnie
Touch dna is not even admissible in much of the world and uts the entire case in Idaho. Plus it was supposedly jot collected from the crime scene for almost a day. It lasts hours not a day. This entire case is hanging on evidence that doesn't even prove Brian was in the house its ridiculous
No. You are ridiculous. If touch DNA was disallowed in America we’d all know because Ann Taylor would have devoted 5 months of time, energy and resources on law and motion work trying to cram it down our throats! Plainly, you have zero persuasive authority to bolster your wish that touch DNA be deemed inadmissible against BK.
no one has said its touch dna
It is admissible!! Besides if it wasn’t admissible then why would Anne Taylor work so hard to try and have it thrown out??!
Nowhere in any filing has it been said it's touch dna that's social media misinformation
@@Jack-russell103yes the have!!!
Your 100% right Vinnie! Get us the answers! ❤😊🇨🇦
I find the prosecution to be very confused & incompetent
I Watched both trails yesterday & today, the judge got really irritated with the prosecution
They have definitely not prepared well.
I believe he is not guilty
This entire case stinks of corruption
BK looks very ill, I will be surprised if he makes it to August
If he is not guilty, this will be the biggest case in History of prosecution, police, university, parents and FBI witness, affidavits, evidence tampering
There is no DNA, it was a wild IGG familial match. It’s NOT valid
Wow seriously!?! You are dreaming!!! There is DNA and like it or not it was BRYAN KOHBERGERS!!! He is guilty and the whole world see’s it except for a few people who seem to be infatuated with him!
@@allisonangelafleming touch DNA.. on a MOVEABLE OBJECT.. nowhere else.. think about that. The ISP lab would've used that whole sample.. so where did the FBI get more DNA from. The FBI then tipped MPD.. and without that tip info of BK... THERE WOULD BE NO CASE FOR BK. BK HAS BEEN SITTING IN JAIL FOR NOTHING AND NO EVIDENCE... EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE SCREAMING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW...
@@allisonangelaflemingyou claiming the whole world sees it is not the evidence needed in this case to convict him. Do your research and stop misleading these ignorant guilters. How is it that even the lead investigator is clueless about his own case and doesn’t supervise anything.
Agreed@@allisonangelafleming
@@allisonangelafleming Educate yourself! 🤡
Vinnie, I know you need a tag line, a send off, but "don't forget to hug the kids" seems a bit creepy given the dark, dark nature of these podcasts. Or maybe it's just me. It creeps ME out.
They may be trying to avoid tainting a jury pool. But its pretty wild and shouldn’t be sealed
Sealed Documents + Sealed Hearings = Sealed Inmates
No they want to blame him n get away with it. In nowhere in this world can you trust the courts
Did you walk talk and act like this for Richard Allen or shill out until the trial ended and every one of his rights were violated.
Because they identified him through the IGG then back engineered evidence for probable cause to get warrants
How did they engineer the camera footage..or cell phone evidence?
@ maybe all they had before the IGG was the suspicious car, the IGG then gave them a target to get the rest, find the target than back engineer the investigation top down instead of bottom up. Phone records? The phone records are his phone was turned off at the time of the crime.. I’m not sticking up for this POS I think he did it and I think he’ll get the ultimate rehabilitation, however I think they were under so much pressure to come up with answers that they probably did some things and identified him through the IGG then created the trail of evidence to make it look like a bottom up investigation instead of top down
@@suthrlin82 There was some phone evidence. After the IGG results came back then they had a name. They looked into him and found out there was old body camera footage of him being pulled over. In the footage he gave the officer his phone number. So then they took his phone number and got a warrant to see where that phone was pinging. They took the information that the cell service provider gave them and they sent it to the FBI CAST team. The FBI team analyzed it and it turned out that they had him leaving his apartment at the same time there was video footage of a white Elantra leaving Bryan’s street. The FBI said he left Pullman headed east at the same time that there was footage of this white Elantra leaving Pullman, headed east. They said that at about the same time that he left Pullman he disconnected from cell towers. When he reconnected it was hours later and he was like 40 minutes south of Moscow and Pullman. They tracked him back up to Pullman and he they had footage of him when he returned and went back to his street. At like 6:00am, on the morning of the crime, the FBI said he returned to the crime scene and left his phone on. Assuming that he’s guilty this could be because he realized he left his knife sheath there and was considering retrieving it. So I don’t really think they back engineered anything..I just think that’s the natural course of the investigation. They had the car on video and they were looking for that. Then they got the IGG results back and they had a name. With the name they got the phone investigation etc
@@suthrlin82 I wrote a long comment and explained that there is phone evidence and whatnot but youtube deleted my comment, as they love to do
@@curtf9813 it’s the phone evidence before the night of, correct? Shows his phone in town pinging off the same tower as the house would, it all matters if they came up with the phone before or after the IGG, the defense is trying to say they got his name from the IGG then tracked the phone and everything else and since most of the evidence and hearings are closed it doesn’t appear we know what came first or the process which is what their challenging
The house that bled
Your comment made me shudder.
Great potential book title!
She put a whole bunch of damaging bullet holes in the prosecution's' case yesterday. I was having doubts before in regards to Kobergers innocence but not anymore. Not after learning that three unknown blood samples were also found at the crime scene but never tested. This proves that BK could never have acted alone and since he's been portrayed as being a total loner, well you do the math. She also picked apart so many other things to suggest that the sheath was planted and the gathered touch DNA artificially placed on the snap.
Household blood stains are surprisingly common. It isn't necessarily proof of other actors, especially in a rambunctious sorority party house.
@@jimnasium7700 Yes, gloves with blood all over them are very common at a crime scene. So common in fact you don't need to test them?
@insanemamegamer1 did they confirm they didn't test them? Or is the defense saying there's no mention of it in the discovery files. And are we talking about the bloody gloves they found at his apartment or another one they found at the murder scene?
@@jimnasium7700 There was a glove found outside of the house with an unknown person's blood DNA. There was also blood from three other unknown people found inside the house. This would suggest that other people were involved. The fact the victim wounds weren't all the same further supports the claim of multiple people using multiple weapons during the attack.
@insanemamegamer1 it's a possibility. But I'd also say that there's going to be some amount of blood found in a house full of women.
love the channel
They did not have a warrant 2
They did not have a warrant to go do this, they just did it. This is why it's all sealed a lot of funny stuff.
They didn't need warrants for igg, the trash or the dna on the knife sheath. All totally legal. Didn't yu here the judge tell anne taylor that? He said it loud and clear
Hey friend!!!
I want to say thank you for your wisdom in how court cases are argued.
I sure with your panel of guests we may get some answers.
Thank you
It's common sense there would be lots more DNA I think it was planted
👏👏👏 Can't agree more. 4 Killings and where it is found is crazy.
100%
Just Watched Court Appearance,#2 for DNA
exclusions Ann Taylor was Hilarious Made Extremely Ridiculous Arguements 😂😂😂
How do you argue the facts and law when the facts and law are sealed?
The Oj murder happened on 6/3/94 and the trial started 1/95 only 6 months later. Why is this case taking so long? That was way more high profile!
It takes time to gather evidence against bad LE and conspirators.
Call me crazy, but I’ll never believe 1 man could unalive 4 healthy adults with his bare hands in 10mins, SERIOUSLY 😳
Really??
Bare hands??
What are you saying. Have you seen those knives? At 4am in bed or taken by surprise half asleep no problem ...
@@vls3771They weren’t all asleep.
@@LaPlaztique- They definitely weren’t expecting it either. Considering they had friends in and out regularly, they were definitely taken by surprise.
Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson have completely torn apart America’s trust in our jury
It was actually the Prosecution team’s fault that Casey Anthony walked…
Their corrupt in Idaho!
They're. And evidence?
@@ItsMeWisdom do you think they got the Lori Vallow or Chad Daybell case right?
WE SEE YOU FARLEY!
Yes!
Koberger's case NEEDS to be SEEN & HEARD! JUSTICE!!
34:10 The government using my DNA to identify criminals is the very, very, very last entry on my list of “Reasons why I will never submit my DNA to a random company.”
But it’s on your list. What’s your first. I’m genuinely curious.
What happens when they say YOU are the criminal without proof?
Read a history book.
@ Less on the list and more of an “oh, and that too.” But, primarily that the company now my DNA sequence and are able to use it for who-only-knows what, now or in the future.
It’s so scary a nightmare! 😮
The defense team is doing a great job with all you nut bags. There was a witness, only one person was in the house and she described Bryan to a T. His DNA was in the house even though he claimed to never have been there. His car is identical to the one seen fleeing the scene. There's not one person coming fwd defending this man... He's guilty, one million percent
Wrong
We’re all going to find out but right it’s all allegedly. Innocent until proven in a court of law.
Law enforement should not be able to look at your DNA that you gave to a private company. Should be 100% illegal
In what world?
@@matthill2957 people that are giving their DNA are not reading the contract. There are companies that do not allow police to use their data bases. But obviously someone in BK family did not use those companies. They used a company that allows it. If people don’t want their DNA out there they need to do more research on what the companies do with it. It is on the customers not LE.
vinnie your the best!!!
I agree💯
Hey Vinnie from Mackay, Australia 🇦🇺
Hey from Melbourne, Australia
Hey from the UK
Brisbane!
@@PauliC67 Germany.
Because it is such a publicized case, and many of our towns are small rural communities…..I think until the jurors are selected and sequestered…..the information regarding evidence needs to be sealed. He is presumed innocent until proven guilty and that protects the integrity of a fair trial process. Our justice system must uphold a standard for fair trial process. Mistakes result in endless appeals. Do it right the first time……it’s fair for all involved.
Why Is Everything Sealed???!
My Thoughts...If He Really Thinks That He Has A Chance Of To GETTING OUT??!!!▪︎▪︎▪︎ NOPE!
When The Feds Are Involved... You Are DONE!
The house was known as a "gathering spot".
Whats wrong with it? Sorry I don’t get it.
It's part of University life!
So that makes it ok?
@@AriKhuuIt was the rug house- common knowledge among students
@@Ab12120 whats a rug house? We have party houses in the colleges I went to, is that what you meant? And if that’s the case, whats wrong with it? I still don’t get why the original comment pointed this fact out without any other information?
So than thankful to be here
Like WHY did they seal all of that? Are they Delphi case copycats??
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😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 order to seal 😮😮tearing the house down before trial this case stinks really bad and I bet they know who done this but there going to walk and frame a innocent man but let's be honest this happens all to often 😢
It makes me sick to my stomach as these (LE, university presidents, etc.,) are the people we are taught from a young age to respect.
Vinny P is the best in the biz
i still think this attack was personal
Seems like it
Why didn't they feel that the blood found in the glove or on the handrail on the stairs was relevant? When will we find out if the Frank's hearing is granted or not?
because it was possibly a minute sample and very old and unrelated to the case..we will have to wait and see
@Jack-russell103 How can they tell how old it is?
@@MELOVE-z5kI would assume by how degraded it was.
Do the defence has a fact check that has another possibility?
Is it hidden to the public? Why?
We want justice for the victims. 😢
They should have the navigation off his car and phone as well
Base model, he didn't have gps.
Watch Pavarotti pod cast KOHBERGER IS INNOCENT 🇬🇧
Yeah and his channel is full of untruths and conspiracy theories that aren’t even true!!!
Spec of dna under one of the victims. Where the room probably looked like a slaughterhouse ? ( I don't " buy that ")
And not a spec of blood in Bryan's car
It's not just DNA, it's TOUCH DNA. And supposedly there was no blood on that knife sheath! How is that possible if it was UNDER one of the victims?
@@mom.4lifethat's the evidence
The defense can't pick and choose what they want sealed and not sealed. They complain in one breath that the case can't be tried in the county it happened because of coverage, then the next, they want everything unsealed.
Give me a break. Sick and tired of the games defense play.
@@eab1310 learn the law… this case has many holes and the state and FBI have been shady…
Shady AF@@MATTHEWS_IXXI
Same. Ann Taylor sounded like a floundering 6th grader who didn't read the book and was asked to present the book report in front of the class. She's trying to literally redefine law that is the cornerstone of our system, like the definition of probable cause, and idiots on the internet are falling for her lies. It's why I have very little faith in juries, they're made up of the kind of people who think BK is innocent.
She asked for this hearing to be unsealed.
I cece I have a problem with u !!!! Why do u give law enforcement ability to use loop holes !!! I really think that’s wrong !!!! That u get to play with people dna and you’re not hold accountable !!! For your gain ! Death penalty cases not a game !! I feel if that’s the Man U better have everything done the right way and it’s fact not base on assumption !!! Just saying my opinion!!!
This man not going anywhere no matter how many attorneys he has
The majority of the sealing from the very beginning has been by the State though. I think it was also because of the adverse publicity regarding so many early failures in ithe early investigation, inadequate crime scene search and not securing the crime scene properly. The state has been responsible for not handing over thei discovery constantly and many of sealed pieces of evidence have not been disclosed to the defence.
The state has given everything they have over to the defense. It is the FBI that has not been timely about handing over their portion of the investigation. The state/judge can only tell them so many times. The FBI thinks they can do whatever they want because they are the “FBI”.
It is not our business, nor is it good practice for them to announce all the prosecution has. It is bad enough people stick their noses in where it doesn't belong.
He was working on his PHd. I have to wonder if he was trying to create the perfect crime, but slipped up leaving his DNA on a knife sheath. He seems like a wack job to me!
If he had planned this (and I doubt that he did), he would have had to have slipped up way more than just that. What kind of idiot drives his own car to a crime scene and then parades around the neighborhood in front of every available ring camera like a drunken tourist looking for a place to park? What kind of idiot brings his cellphone along, knowing it can be traced? What kind of an idiot crosses State lines from Washington, which doesn't have a death penalty, into Idaho, which does? The list goes on and on. It doesn't add up. You and/or I wouldn't have made these sophomoric mistakes, let alone a Ph.D. in criminology.
Not testing other DNA found in that house is injustice??? Blood on a handrail on the stairs a glove??? Don't be builders innocent until pro quilty!!!🙈🙉🙊
What blood evidence is Prior referring to when he states that he thinks " the blood evidence is huge "?
Like WHO else was circling that area in a white elantra with the bushy eyebrows at the time of the murders??????
That's a good question. It may have been a DoorDash driver; it may have been a compilation of more than one vehicle. Nothing has been proven yet, and I don't see that the State's narrative is provable at all.
They do have that information. Today AT addressed the issue that the final drive test results compared with the cell phone data places him at two different places. The car shows him at one place yet hus cell data showed he was miles away.
No. The cell shows him some place else. Panes fiction showed him someplace else. Payne has already said he has lied in court.
Some is very wrong with this case very wrong I wish the FBI would get involved 😢
FBI was involved
The FBI was/is involved. They are the #1 problem.
Honey... The FBI IS involved and if they have exonération evidence they're required to present it.
They were involved. That's why things are the way they are - a mess.
The problem may be that the FBI was already involved and contributed to the mess.
Look at the victims parents being informants and in with the higher up gangs. Why is this guy that's not an investigator posting about this with the parents and the snitching, but the ones who are working on the case hasn't mentioned it
People are.
They are all connected.
There was an informant that gave the name and a photo. The individual disposed of the camera that took the photo per the court hearing on Thursday 1/23. Touch DNA is very small. The DNA was ran illegally per the Prosecution team by the FBI, per the hearing on 1/24: 23 and Me and GED. 23 and Me does not participate, but the FBI did this anyway, stated in court in the hearing 1/24! The informant is also not a reliable source per the Defense!
#1 they only had a strand from some cells found on the snap- did you watch the hearing??
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Sounds like the same 💩 as the Delphi case. Which, BTW, would’ve been comical if it wasn’t so sad! NO ONE got justice in that one.
Vinny, you just get better looking.
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Igg is infringing in my rights. Use it for cold cases but not for present day cases. Imo. Part of me says I don't consent.
@@Constitutionalapologist but if someone puts their DNA on a site that allows the police to use it for an investigation, then it is legal. I think the big point here, is for citizens or customers of these companies, to read the fine print. They just give their consent willy nilly. They don’t know what they are consenting to cuz they did not read the contract.
@Thetruthwillprevail231 yes, for sure, I agree. The thing I'm trying to say is that the relatives to the people that send in their DNA may not consent.
@ I can understand your point.
“TOUCH” DNA on the sheath. Why do so many ignore this fact?
because they want to marry kohberger
and ISP lab wouldve used that whole sample.. so where and how did the FBI get more DNA from. Let's also not ignore that there was unknown male blood on the stair railing... makes sense why the house got torn down 🤣
because its not useful
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Because it’s HIS DNA under the snap on the sheath
Forensic Corruption
Entire investigator team is corrupt!