Did ToneX Officially Kill The Kemper?
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Great video as always and love seeing you grow in your storytelling! Very original style, buddy. You're killing it, Mike! 🙂
hi stop doing wrong, read the bible, believe in Jesus Christ the Son of the living God only He can forgive you sins & redeem your life & save from hell
I've had my ToneX for about 7 months but haven't really had time to really dig into it, your video has given me inspiration, thank you! I used a Helix for about 4 years but wanted to go smaller which is why I got the ToneX but have been filling in for Bass until we can find one but hopefully that will be soon so time to figure this out!
I love seeing the ct50 plus in every one of your videos, it makes me so happy seeing one of my fav youtubers using the guitar i own
By far the best tone I’ve heard you have and your playing has come up a level! Super proud of you brother, you are sounding fantastic and I LOVE YOU VIDS! Much love and thank you for the time and effort you put into this craft🌅🙌🙏🤙💪👏
Agree. If you’re just interested in amp and cabinet tones, then yes. ToneX has knocked it out of the park in terms of tone and value.
However, it does not have all the other effects that Kemper, QC, Fractal, Helix, etc all have.
So if you want an all in one device, then no, it’s not a Kemper or QC killer.
But for hybrid boards (external effects pedals with amp in a box pedals) the ToneX is perfect.
Thanks for sharing! Could you elaborate on why Kemper has more effects than ToneX. I thought you can download unlimited amount of IK or user created effects pedals. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the difference between effects and pedals. I'm interested in ToneX but mostly to use it as multi effects pedals like Boss Super Overdrive in 1, echo in 2, fuzz in 3. Would ToneX not be ideal for that scenario? Thank you in advance!
Enjoyed the videos. Great stories and editing
this is honestly one of the best videos i've seen in a long time. amazing buddy!
your channel is great broski
++ tnx Mike for the very exciting video, btw. do you have a link to the Dumble pack you used is it from Tonex IK Multimedea ??
Great video!
mike you sound truly phenomenal with the double tonex rig! sending much tone love from vienna!
Great video! What speakers do you use for this Tonex pedalboard?
hey Mike, what's your camera rig
Nice video
Hi Mike, I watch a lot of music gear related stuff on TH-cam. Can’t believe I’ve never seen your channel till today! I like the content and you have a new subscriber! Have a great day!!
I love your playing mate 🤟🏽
Great video as always.
Are you going to do a video on Veronica?
I love your content, man. I have a bunch of vintage and boutique amps that I don't want to lug out to gigs. I didn't want to drop the loot on a kemper or neural cortex. I ordered a tonex and capture box. My plan is to create banks of clean, medium, and cranked for each amp. I will run this into a line 6 power cab with a couple pedals for od, delay, comp. What do you think? Suggestions?
Always good to see Andy Casile featured in a video!
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@@chrismitchellsbfinChrist Already on the side of Christ 👍 Trying to live more like Him every day
Positive Grid was ahead of the game with the Bias Head. The best thing with the Bias Head is they actually put in an effects loop.
Apparently they are releasing a mini tonex with 2 presets that will work well to run it in stereo or may be used to run a preset of a pedal.
Great video. I will check it out, but I am a Line 6 nerd from I was a teen.
is this good for direct recording?
Can it profile a whole rig- amp along with overdrive, distortion, phaser, compressor, noise suppressor, reverb, chorus and delay.
Cheers, Mike. Definitely can relate. You’ll never come back from TONEX in stereo. So good! 👌I even bought a third TONEX for my fave drive captures as well. The addiction is real. 😂
I've never been more thrilled and inspired and addicted to guitar playing. I spent almost a decade hardly ever playing or improving. I was just uninspired by being stuck with the simple old way of doing things so I didn't care about guitar. But because of the influx of guitar tech and competition, I have endless ways to play. I love them all, modelers, profilers, plugins, solid states, class D amp pedals, traditional tube amps. So much fun! Don't know why people get all tribal over one form of amplification, we live in a world where you can do it all. And you'll only be a better player for being open-minded and expanding your knowledge and tonal palette.
Hope things worked out for you with Veronica.
Not for that Mike. But this Mike definitely enjoyed it. 😂
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@@chrismitchellsbfinChristI’m a Christian and that’s out of pocket even to me. 😂 all good to spread the good news… but maybe don’t open with stop doing bad.
@@Codeezey Jesus did it, He opened like that too. have you ever read luke 13? you need to become born again.
I’d argue with you but my favorite Kemper player (the Sooze on ToneJunkie) also loves the Tonex.
I have my Helix LT as an "all-in-one".... my Tonex is for situations where all I would use in bygone days would be an amp with reverb in it. If I need delays/modulations, etc, it's the Helix.... in situations where I would just plug into an amp, the Tonex is KING!!
My home board is based around a ToneX and an H90, but my band board is an HX Stomp.
You should do a series where you learn shred/metal guitar, like Brandon Ellis type of step
I always wanted a Tonex. But in Brasil is almost impossible purchasing one.
I don't see the link for the Dumble pack.
Hey Mike, Does Tonex work on bass also?
Yes
Another get video! I use my Mooer ge300 as a full rig, XLR out to the house system. Totally awesome! ToneX needs XLR and I'd probably need 2 of them to get full pedal access for on/off effects.
what about Quad Cortex of Neural DSP??????
I recently picked up the ToneX One. For $179 I figured it was worth a shot. It's not perfect but I really like it!
You are shitting me right? I just got my ToneX Pedal today lol
I run it into the return of my 15 watt tube combo without the cab sim, an it's just gorgeous.
I was just to cheap to buy a power amp, when the combo already sits there lol.
I will still use pedals, but man is it nice to switch the whole amp on demand.
Man you just made me look up when Kemper released cause you said 6 years xD It has been 12 years... :D
what do you prefer Tone x or Kemper ?
That Mateus video was the first video of his I ever saw years ago. Immediate fan. And your tone is infinitely better than JNC in this video
Cool video! In my opinion, the HX stomp is THAT all in one solution. Sounds amazing, works great for live and studio use and it has a lot of support! It’s been a while since line6 came up with the helix family and they are still releasing free updates with new features and amps!
Helix Floor for me. I absolutely love mine. I just ooga booga chug chug caveman metal but it’s expanded my taste and sound by having access to so many different amp models. I always hear of people struggling with Fractals and Kempers and I just smile cuz the Helix is so easy to use.
true, but ToneX sounds better and is more pleasant to play through.
@@igorzavalnyi5341 have not tried one yet, but I keep hearing great things about them.
Are you just using studio speakers to hear everything
Time to get a twin reverb with jbls.
I just received my ToneX and really love this pedal as an Amp/Cab option. I still love the idea of having all my pedals to employ with the ToneX. Not a real fan of all in one. All in whatever, always lacks in my opinion on some portion of the chain. Having two for Stereo ! Yikes ! Was not anticipating that :-)
Anyway's love your channel and your playing is pure bliss. Nicely done . . . :-)
I use a nux trident, very similar
I dreamed of owning a Taylor. Finally got one.
Just ordered one too! What did you get?
Swift or Elizabeth?
I never dreamt of owning a kemper, my opinion was that it was overpriced for what it really was.
This Tonex seems to essentially do the same job at a fraction of the price. It’s a great idea. 💡
The Tonex is on my shopping list. I just need a really clean cheap lightweight bass amp and guitar amp to take to a gig to put this through. Or I suppose PA to cover everything.
Great video btw! I'm actually shocked that IK didn't come out with an all in one Amplitube/Tonex pedal with NAMM. I am guessing they are readying Amplitube 6 to compete with the Line 6 Helix Native/Hardware platform, but then again they dont release things on the NAMM schedule, and usually in Feb I think is when they drop all their hardware, maybe because YT has nothing else to talk about? It's clear that IK can deliver solid hardware now at a killer price, so I would suspect it's coming. What bothers me now is using the dual amp setups or using a modeled pedal for a boost, you need two of these things, and I would gladly pay $1500 for an all in one. But they better hurry because i'm buying a Fractal rack soon if not.
Also, I really want to know what happened to all the Joe Bonamassa captures they made of his entire live rig. He himself took pictures of them profiling his gear in IKs studio and posted it on Instagram.
@@lorenmorgan1931 falling out?
@@WarrenPostma It's possible for sure. I would think they had already done a contract at that point though before wasting time. Who knows though.
If they would come out with that while including an XLR out in a small platform it would definitely make me one happy man!
@@MarbsMusic yea they are missing out on so much. Imagine if they out a board/RACK that also worked as an interface with XLR, T-Racks, ARC3, Amplitube (hopefully 6 which I suspect is coming), Tonex that also models tons of preamps, like mixing channel strips. They could literally have the ultimate studio all in one rack. Pair that with a powered mixer and no one could touch what they have to offer.
I'm sorry Veronica.
The newly released Kemper *Player* just killed ToneX sales.
That's why Kemper positioned themselves right next to IK at NAMM and sold thousands of units.
I'm confused by the title of the video?
You don't own a Kemper or the new *Player* model...correct?
8:10 ❤️
Yes. For those who couldn't afford a Kemper 2012-2022 ToneX was a way to have it for 10% of the price.
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Skeptikskism? Nice 😁
I need 3 more hours of whatever you were doing at 8:34 please
kemper sound and feels great, has great effects and doesnt needs extra pedals,how can it kills the kemper?
Kemper is older than 6 years. I think it was out in the 2010s.
do you know Tonex is a digital solution replacing several pedals. Here you try to replace the digital solution by five pedals...great job :)
No man NO!
It seems like Tonex lacks low end and a bit of higher end spark while has a pronounced "dry and honky" midrange. Tried the software, hard to get great modern high gain metal tones
Technology moves on kemper is old now
Weakness is not your weakness
Of course not!
Fractal Audio is still #1
FM9 is the sweet spot.
Fractal is modelling, this is capture technology. Completely different thing. One is adjustable, flexible, modelling the circuits digitally.. the other is like a photocopy or snapshot of an amp at a given setting. Capture technology sounds near identical to the amp it is capturing. This is a measurable thing. However, it's not flexible. If you dial in your own amp settings and capture it, you're set. If you want to tweak the knobs like a real amp, it sucks. Modelling is better for that. But real amps are even better than that.
Fractal doesn't even have a capture technology available currently. Fractal make good stuff and have had the best modellers for the last 10+ years. But there is no number 1. Neural DSP plugins rival Fractal in the modelling side of things.
In the end, there's just a series of choices and budgets. Ranging from real tube amps, amp in a box pedals, digital modellers, capture technology and plugins. They are all good in their own ways. The Tonex doesn't compete with Fractal, it competes with Kemper (outdated technology), and Quad Cortex (much more expensive).
@@Jonw8222 well, they're modelers WITH capture tech... regardless, soon enough here capturing is going to be as obsolete as floppy discs and Boomers.
Calling it now; cool concept, but I think the modeler algorithms (by a lot of companies) are getting too good to justify needing to capture an amp in the first place. 5 years from now, 10 tops, I bet no one is talking about capturing amps.
....Tube amps and Les Pauls are screwed when the boomers are gone, too...
@@AmericanNationalist852 Tonex doesn't do modelling, it's just capture tech. QC does both with high quality. Headrush does both but is a pretty forgettable product.
I'm not sure of the future.. RAM will become larger, processor dies will shrink, processor speeds will be faster while using less energy. The guitar world usually prefers the older way.. the vintage way.. it's weird like that. Like an old capacitor sounds better than a newer one that is actually better but doesn't sound as good.
I'm not sure what boomers are but if I had to guess, I would say they are spoiled entitled people who think they deserve everything but don't have much skills to actually do anything. Their parents had common sense.. but they don't.
@@Jonw8222i’m curious why you think kemper tech is outdated?
@@moonsama395 First thing is that it is all about preference.. so someone might prefer the sound of the Kemper vs the capture newer technologies. It adds something to the capture in terms of it's own character in the mids and EQ. Some people might prefer that. They've got some newer things liquid profiling, and on paper it looks good but so far for me.. I still prefer the more recent capture tech. Mainly QC and Tonex, which I consider the best currently. What I'm basically trying to say is that it might have more recent firmware updates or new features, but I'm still hearing the same basic core sound that the Kemper has always had. In terms of the quality of the capture.
Why is it outdated? The same reason why a phone, GPU or CPU is. Or why Windows 11 is newer than Windows 7. This is based on listening to a lot blind tests in the last few years. There's plenty of these tests floating around online.. I encourage you to listen and judge for yourself. You might prefer the Kemper. I prefer older versions of Windows for example. Newer isn't always better.. but for capturing the sound of an amp, I do prefer those two options listed above. And this is a repeating pattern with lots of tests done by different testers. Andertons did a pretty good comparison within the last 12 months. But there has been many others as well.
I have two great tube amps, and a pedal board , but I am on a Kemper 90% of the time.
The answer is yes. The Kemper is dead.
And as for all in ones. They're pretty cool, I'm currently using an AIN system.
But it's not perfect. I plan on building a new board.
ToneX, Plethora X5, Seymour Duncan powerstage 200, expression pedal, Jerry Cantrell Wah, Walrus Canvas stereo DI box, and maybe a Deadweld Duality DX.
1. ToneX for the amps and cabs.
The amps I want to get for it are
5150ii, Savage 120, supercrush 100, SLO 100, HK Triamp mk3, Splawn competition, JCM800 and Dual Rectifier (Pre 500). All the dirt tones.
For clean tones, yes those will work but.... AC30 and PRS Sonzera 50.
1.5. With cabs... all I need is a PPC412-C. My favorite cab. All I need.
2. Plethora X5 for all my effects. Nuff said.
3. The powerstage is there just in case I need to run a cab.
4. Expression pedal to have a Wah at the beginning of the chain.
4.5. Jerry Cantrell Wah is my favorite wah, this one will be placed last. So that it Wahs literally your entire signal chain. It's a very chaotic sound, but it sounds amazing. Don't recommend for most people tho.
5. DI box for sending to front of house if necessary.
6. Deadweld Duality DX is a maybe. It's the best boost pedal. No contest. It has a tubescreamer style circuit. It also has a second boost. The 2nd boost is a clean/transparent boost.
Now... the DX version is special because you can actual combine both boosts to create a super boost.
This is my perfect setup.
From one Mike to another Mike. I know you love tubescreamers like me. So i definitely recommend checking out the Deadweld Duality DX. It is primarily used to metal, but since it has multiple boosts in one, it shouldbe fine.
And one last thing. If you've never played a PRS Sonzera. PLAY IT!
I've played one a few times, and the tone is incredible! Without a doubt my favorite clean tone of all time. They're more affordable than buying a new AC30, but still expensive.
😂😂😂
lol, guitarists on social media.
Kemper just sold thousands of *Players* to music stores around the world...and it was only released a month ago.
Please explain how the ToneX killed Kemper?
The Player has everything if you want it, amp profiles that sound just as good as the ToneX, plus studio quality FX if you want FX.
It’s only $399
No
No.
so all this because of not having Veronica in your life? ;-)
"Did ToneX Officially Kill the Kemper?" Why is everyone so mad at Kemper, trying to kill it? Have had my Kemper for 6 years now, still supported and still sounds great to me (and who hears it). I have heard people playing through average gear and sound fantastic, people through "the best gear" and sound like a well-executed fart. It is almost like the sales departments are winning, I get that competition promotes advancement, but at what point does this get full stupid. I must say, the guitar community leads the way with "the next best thing, what you have is pure crap."
Nothing on you Mr. Cole, just my observation.
I think you're primed for Fractal gear... Just saying...
I second that! There's a reason we are seeing Fractals on a lot of stages.
Yeah just said in another comment on here, if IK doesn't come out with a reasonably priced unit soon, I am buying the rack to mount in my desk.
Kemper Profile Player is $698 and has effects. ToneX does not.
Wrong! Tonex has reverb ,compressor , noise gate ,EQ
*It's days are certainly numbered. With my formal background in electrical/electronics engineering, it's nearly impossible for me to come to terms with the build cost to selling cost ratio lol.*
Generally speaking, the majority of digital guitar devices cost less than the analog equivalent, and the cost of the average high end *commercial* modeler is another sickening ratio. The best digi unit I've owned is still the Zoom G5 because of the 12AX7 that is a post processor after the digital and goes to your amp or recording unit. Without that tube, it's just another digital unit.
*In fact, all this new wave of fancy digital modelers, some of which I own, are still piss poor compared to that particular Zoom, but I still try to remain current with gear technology.* It mops the floor with current most Headrush, Line 6, Boss etc.
Typical EE. THinks the selling price of a computer+software product should be the cost of the CPU and the ram. Value assigned to software: $0. This is a computer in a box, running software. 90% of the R&D cost for the Kemper is software.
Go ahead and buy a box with a cpu and a DSP chip in it that costs $90, and ignore the software in the box, because that's how EE's always think. :-P
Zoom is good value for dollar, but if you can't see the value in the software inside a Headrush, or Kemper, or Line6 helix, well....
@@WarrenPostma you made it blatantly obvious you don't know 1 engineer let alone many with that arrogant and ignorant self righteous drivel.
*I calculate everything from the cost of electricity, water, development and beyond, all the way to recovery costs for a new model.*
I actually design and build equipment, you don't. I have everything from a CNC router to a laser scribe and most traditional shop tools. Headrush is terrible which is why I returned one of their flagship models, and Zoom walks all over Line 6; another brand I rid my last piece of equipment from late last year. *Before you continue with your narcissism, I play at a symphonic level and contrary to how young I look in my photo, I turn 46 early next month.*
These units costing $1500 and even down to $600 are grossly overpriced. I see $600 analog units that I can build for literally less than $10 including all the hardware, my own labor and the cost to run my equipment.
*You're a typical lazy ass trying to smear others because you worship corporate America and have low self-esteem.* You're way out of your depth and league in every regard.
I can say with certainty as a guitarist I have never wished to have a Kemper Or any other kind of modeling apparatus I'm a Tube Amp player and always will be and when they stop making tube amps I'll stop playing guitar
The Tonex VST sounds really horrible. Don't know about the pedal. I'll stick with my Kemper. If everyone is trying to "Kill The Kemper" there's a reason for it.
Kemper Player made Tonex irrelevant imho...
Let me answer that question for you: NO.
tonex is crap- no built in fx cant change cabs add irs etc- the kemper is the best there is
too much information
wow take a deep breath.... damn.. annoying
stop doing wrong, read the bible, believe in Jesus Christ the Son of the living God only He can forgive you sins & redeem your life & save from hell
You should try the Tonex through the UAFX OX stomp. Chefs Kiss 🤌🏾
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