Kesha Reveals What Sony Offered For Her “Freedom"
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- Popstar, Kesha, claims that Sony would’ve allowed her to be released from her contract if she said that producer Dr. Luke didn’t rape her. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian hosts of The Young Turks discuss.
Do you believe Sony offered this deal Kesha? Let us know in the comments below.
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“In an explosive Instagram post Sunday, Kesha revealed that she was "offered [her] freedom" - most likely the nullification of her contract with Lukasz "Dr. Luke" Gottwald - if she rescinded her rape accusations against the producer.
"So. I got offered my freedom IF I were to lie," Kesha wrote in the caption of a selfie. "I would have to APOLOGIZE publicly and say that I never got raped. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS behind closed doors. I will not take back the TRUTH. I would rather let the truth ruin my career than lie for a monster ever again."
A source close to the case tells Rolling Stone that, during a dialogue between the singer and Gottwald's legal teams "a couple months ago," the aforementioned option toward terminating her contract was given to the singer. It's unclear, however, whether that option occurred during formal settlement talks between the two parties or if the idea was simply proposed to Kesha's team.”
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why would kesha want to stay with sony records? no matter if she works with dr. luke or not, he will still make money off of her. he even admitted that he makes money off of the album “rainbow”. this who situation disgusts me because if a woman says that she was raped, everyone questions whether or not it is true, but if the woman says she was not raped, everyone takes it as a straight fact. what has our world come to?
*whole situation
Ikr
i believe kesha because rape is NEVER sexual. as many people might think it is it isnt. rape is a COMPLETE POWER TRIP. showing physical dominance. explicitly showing and telling the victim they have no control or power to stop what is happening to them.
dr luke can go. let him go, let him end.
Kesha is a strong and independent woman, and she doesn't just want her freedom, she wants justice too! There's nothing more to it.
They talk about not dismissing the victim but that's literally all they did in this video.
Hellcat Thank you! Many women in abusive relationships stay out of fear and the very manipulation that they want free from. Sony is accomplice to it and is a part of the gaslighting techniques abusers use themselves.
Kesha went to work because she couldnt get out of her contract, musicians cant just say "I'm done" to their studio and leave, it's not that simple.
Matthew Marrero
She didn't have to sign another contract AFTER the abuse but she did
She was free but didn't take that opportunity
@@ItsNotRealLife raped, abused, manipulated etc. But 'free'.. yeah, sure
Liese-Lotte De Reu it was her choice to sign that contract
@@Imadeyoumad288 maybe it wasn't? maybe she was forced to sign it? you don't know what they would've dove if she didn't sign the contract.
salty So they put a gun to her head?
Seeing Ana argue is like watching an almost textbook demonstration of someone trying to make an argument out of their emotions.
Wow. This goes to show how mind controlling this evil Music Industry really is. Shocking.
L in heaven Lucifer was in charge of the music and choir, why would it be different outside of heaven?!🤨
Kelleymarie Jones ??? How did you know that he was
kylo kyoki I took bible study and when you read how important praising is to God and how the angels sing holy, holy holy to Him, you have to know music is key and Lucifer was top notch angel in charge of music and instruments until he rebelled. Since Adam sinned Satan took over lease of earth and has run a muck ever since. God will only let him go so far unless like these celebrities who don’t know God and open the door to Satan. I don’t understand Whitney or Michael Jackson, they grew up with some knowledge of God.
Kelleymarie Jones Thanks and your right it was very stupid of them to do that now there dead... Have a great day
@@kelleymariejones6388 not this again... I suppose you believe the earth is flat,too? durr brain!
The only problem was--is--, while Kesha, is of course, pursuing more music, he is still benefiting off of her. His team even released statements saying that exact thing. That Kesha is still working under his approval. That her new record and everything coming from it were still approved by him.
I understand why she didn't want to make music with Sony as Dr.Luke still profits from her music
one thing to note: as stated by the court, Kesha is free to create music on her own music without Dr.Luke's influence, but any music she wants to put out will be released through kemosabe records, of which Dr.Luke is the CEO. So while Kesha is "free" to make music, whether or not she actually gets to put anything out is still under Dr.Luke's control.
Physically and emotionally abusive are the characteristics of aggressive men who believe in their power over women in. Seeing one behave this way in person most people would think twice about assuming nothing bad could happen when they're alone. Trust me. He did it. He has issues with women and that's putting it nicely.
she lost in court LOL
Everything she makes with other producers, would still be legally owned by Dr.Luke. Hence why she hasn't taken the offer. If she were to, he would pick the singles released, the tracklist of the album, the promotion budget for the promotion of the music, everything...even if he had no involvement in making the music. Everything she does musically, belongs to him.
because no women has ever lied about about rape, ever.
top lmao
men have also lied jackass
+Phoenix Elm false male rape accusations? Give me one example
+Phoenix Elm Of course they have, everyone lies. Nobody is infallible, some women make false rape accusations which of course ruin the lives of those who they tarnish, the same is true for men i know of one case in Kentucky where a man claimed a gay neighbor of his son, purely because his son came out as gay.
Everyone lies, regardless of gender, religion or race, everyone lies.
+Robbie Johannson male student stile his teachers phone hacked took personal pictures off it blacked mailed her with it when she reported it he claims rape
Common sense says she was raped and wants justice fool.
jyee kevill
You have no evidence and yet you're not the fool
Idk why no one thinks about the fact that for a trauma victim, it is probably really hard to go back to the same place day after day. She finally gained her strength to stand up for herself. Why should she have to go back to that?
Nasty Miss Jackson Well Said👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
another reason she did not want to continue working w sony is because everyone loved dr luke, so even if she kept making music w sony w a different producer, they wouldnt promote her music in the same way. which is exactly what happened now that shes working w sony again w her new album high road. zero promo and only one song sent to radio and it only was played for 2 weeks.
I hope she gets her freedom. #FreeKesha yes she said no she didn't get raped but it's because he threatened her, her family, and her animals. And she isn't free to do music without luke. She's signed to his record label so he'll still profit from HER. Next month is when she'll present evidence to the court
Abuse is Abuse !! If it's verbal, sexual, physical!!!!!!
That guy that raped her needs to be beat up!
Just because Sony and the court says that Kesha is free to work with whomever she chooses and that she doesn't have to work with Dr. Luke anymore doesn't mean anything. Luke is still her boss and anything she wants to release MUST go through him - he must okay everything she does if she wants to keep making music. That's what this is about. I wouldn't want my rapist to be my boss, or tell me what to do either!
She's already testified that she didn't get raped, so.
No she didn't.
fadedbia yes she did
www.tmz.com/2016/02/23/kesha-dr-luke-sexual-assault-rape-drugs-deposition-video/
***** lol
+SeeWaffle9 That was years ago. I'm not saying that it happened but it doesn't change much. People deny rape/abuse by someone close to them all the time.
Co So you rather take the conspiracy route?
If He was innocent, they would just let her go to prevent more problems, but that’s blackmail! If what you speak is truth NEVER back down! Ps. Girls don’t sign with Sony, wait if you’re that talented and have faith in yourself, a better record deal will come along. Doesn’t Mariah Carey’s idiot ex work for Sony?!
Yes he was CEO of Sony.
I think she's bad ass but makes me sad at the same time. That sounds more like opening a can of worms than gaining attention... She really didn't have anything to gain by going up against someone that big. I'm glad Sony got rid of him. I know I'm late.
A Ps4 with The Last of Us Remastered
The Uncharted 4 bundle!
They offered her Hideo Kojima.
Justin Lafser They offered her a free man to rub it in her face. Sony is savage.
+J JO I mean, The Last of Us Remastered is The Last of Us Remastered...
😂
Hey quick reminder, while can can make music without him, he will continue to profit off her music. :/
Keisha fight we pray for you.
EVERYONE REMEMBER , Michael Jackson was with Sony from the very beginning . When he died , they fought to get all the money from his music . They won a huge amount of the money just recently .
"I hope his soul is changing"
I'd rather let guilty rapists walk around free than have innocent people in prison
What? that makes no sense.
+Emily McDonald It makes perfect sense.
Based Jesus Why would you want a guilty rapist to walk free?
+Emily McDonald I don't. but if I had to pick between sending an innocent man to jail and letting a guilty man go I'd let the guilty man go
#FreeKesha i think she really was raped and abused by him i feel sorry for this girl
Despite her testimony under oath claiming she was not sexually assaulted.
Starla thank you I meant have a company that can destroy u I would change my mind to
A reason why she dosent want to work with another producer is because she said that she would be worried that she wouldn't be as big as a singer because they would put her with the "lower class" producers
source?
Keshas Kitty With Praying,Woman and Learrn To Let Go out now,it is completely false
Wait Did Kesha Write praying About Dr Luke? Because Most Likely He Told Her She Was Nothing Without Him? Because She Also Said Cause You Brought The Flames And You Put Me Through Hell Which He Did When He Sexually Abused Her. Kesha Since The Judge Had Taken Dr Luke’s Side She Had To Learn How To Fight For Herself So I Think Most Likely That Song Was About Him. In Her Music Video On One Of The Televisions It Said Truth?
DragonFly 32206 yes
Duh
Unless you have been raped and we're told just do it by someone you will never understand
So here is the scenario I imagine. Kesha is cool and she is innocent and has some problems with some people. Luke is cool too and helped her because he wanted to help, she saw him as a way to solve her problems and then took advantage and used him to get out her situation but she didnt mean it personally.
Alleged rape is Alleged.
I'm a fan of the show, but what you're suggesting is "ruin someone's career, reputation and potentially life on appeals to emotion and not fact." You say you support "innocent until proven guilty" in one breath and then contradict that statement in the next. Get it together TYT.
Is this before or after Sony went to court over her contract and a judge ruled that she was still under contract?
Ah! Beautiful days are here. Being accused= guilty. Gone are the days of innocent until proven guilty.
+Michael Misoi She has more proof than most rape victims do.
Stephen Hewitson Which didn't stand in court
+Michael Misoi It's always been like this though lol
Cenk believes Kesha because "It's a helluva thing not to tell the truth about." But it happens: UVA Jackie, Duke LaCrosse, Columbia's "Mattress Girl", and the Brian Banks case are all cases where women made false rape charges.
Kesha did not make her charges until AFTER she was in the contract dispute. She previously testified under oath that Dr. Luke did not rape her. Why would she get out of another contract to get back under contract with her rapist? Why would she not make the accusation until AFTER she was in the contract dispute. Then Sony tries to accommodate her by allowing her to work with another producer, but she refuses because she would still be under the same contract. I'd say she has a million reasons to make a false rape charge.
+semperjase Watch no one who supports her address this .
+semperjase Greek tragedy "Hippolytus":
Title character dies after being disowned and exiled by his father, who believes his wife's claim that she was sexually assaulted by her stepson. She lied in order to save herself from shame for lusting after none other than said stepson, Hippolytus.
If even the Greeks, thousands of years ago, were writing about false rape accusations, I think it's pretty safe to say that it happens every once in a while.
Of course, you can't tell Regressives like Cenk jack shit.
+Also Known As you also got Joseph in the Bible
"if there is no evidence it isn't real" says a law system that makes you swear on the bible
NO sir I don't see what you are saying. Who cares if she was given the freedom to record without him. She was trying to get justice for herself, was not going to take back her truthful statements about her abuse. If you are looking at the FACTS of this case you would understand sir that your opinion on what she is doing doesn't matter, you are even in the slightest supporting Dr. Luke you don't get to share your thoughts on it. Take a walk in her shoes man. heels are hard to walk in, aren't they?
Very well said! :D
Sara Casper
They're high beels
Who came here after watching her new song "prayer"
Praying**
I am so sorry and excited to see what KESHA does now she is my HERO in every sense of the word
She made up a false rape accusation to get out of the contract. Still heroic?
Tracy I agree 100%. She is my hero too and she helps me get through life with strength and appreciation. ☺️
@@TT-ug4rc Still, she made up a rape allegation and tried to ruin someone's life, are those things heroes do?
@Isardella so is kesha
@Isardella yeah iknow that dr luke won the court because kesha dropped her case. She is a liar and tried to sue him to get out of a contract she didn't like
Cenk, she's under contract with him. she doesn't have to work WITH him but all proceeds of her work go TO him.
-Sony invests in Kesha when she is nothing (worthless), and makes her sign into a contract for several records.
-Kesha claims rape (innocent until proven guilty) and wants out of her contract.
-Kesha has produced several records after alleged rape.
-Kesha swears under oath in 2011 that Dr.Luke never sexually assaulted or drugged her.
-Sony offered to replace her producer, Kesha refused.
-Kesha still wants out of her contract.
...just a few things not really mentioned or put into context that change how you look at things.
You are obviously right, but it shouldn't even matter.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? I guess the opinion of some tumblr feminists is more important...
***** I think you miss the point of the post. I am presenting the alternative point of view that the media is "forgetting" and missing some legitimate points. Please explain a few points: 1. Kesha obviously knew her contract was with sony, so why would she or we believe the threat by dr luke of ruining her career to be true (if it ever happened). 2. Since sony did offer Kesha a new producer why did kesha refuse? If Dr.Luke did rape her, a new producer must obviously been what she wanted, right? 3. Accounting for her fame and wealth in 2011 during the 2011 trial/deposition why should we believe that Kesha and her lawyers would not of used the opportunity to attest to the crime?
"very unlikely she's lying"
every single one of these "huge headline" stories has been made up.
There are enough fake rape accusations out there that I don't feel like backing anyone in a "he said she said" case. You are innocent until proven guilty, period.
The lengths some people are willing to go to keep a lie going should not be underestimated. You'd be disgusted if you read some of the cases that has happened before with false rape accusations. Disgusting people.
She could be telling the truth, maybe it's even PLAUSIBLE that she is telling the truth, but unless she can prove it I won't believe it. Innocent until proven guilty.
You know what disgusts me more than someone lying about rape? Someone who WAS raped and no one believes her. To me, it's more sick to doubt a girl who was raped than to lie about it.
Dancetips So you want to ruin the lives of anyone with a crazy ex girlfriend willing to lie? Send innocent men to prison for a mere accusation of rape, with no evidence to back it up?
the noise he makes at like 4:28 is every condescending noise rolled into one
Maybe Luke and Sony should file lawsuit against Kesha because of defamation.
She's A strong woman ❤️.
+William Tyndale
wtf is wrong with you I have not said anything wrong SHE'S A VERRY STRONG WOMAN ❤
+William Tyndale
+ I know that Luke is an asshole 😑
There needs to be industries out there that have the backs of Artists. I support Kesha.
She's a liar
This is actually an amazing idea. I don’t know about USA but here in Italy for employees we have organizations that protect their rights for free and in any situation and that’s why the employers are scared to mistreated their employees, coz they know they will face consequences. Music industry needs same organizations but tailored for artists. Those organizations usually fight for new and better laws to be implemented too. It never crossed my mind before so thanks for the idea.
@@TT-ug4rc To protect criminals, kesha made up a false rape allegation and you think she is the one that needs to be supported?
innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to rape allegations... That's the problem with rape allegations. No matter how innocent you are, it will still ruin you.
Just look at Michael Jackson. Some people claimed he was a child molester. The lawyer advised him to settle and be done with it back in the day, so he did. Worst advise he got, because now people assumed he was guilty. So when he got accused again, everyone assumed he was guilty, again. This time, he didn't want to settle. He was acquitted in court, as in innocent, but people still think he did it.
+SlackHax Saying he slept with children hurt him pretty bad too though, to be fair.
The Joker sure... but he further explained how people have a dirty mind, and that he was talking about sleeping. Every parent knows children wants to sleep in the same bed as their parent. Children wake up during the night and get into their parents bed. Kids with trust issues doesn't do that. If a child doesn't want to sleep in the same bed as an adult, there might be a problem.
+SlackHax Bruh, my daughter does that...
Abuse is abuse.
She denied the allegations against him back in 2011...perjury or defamation, Kesha...PICK ONE.
Why the hell this video has 2020 dislikes?Does Dr. Luke have so many accounts or just people don't like what really happened?
Madonna Music I think it's more to do with the guy reporters attitude on the subject. The way he is talking seems like he's bias to Sony and Dr Luke. Very uncomfortable to watch. He basically sounds like he doesn't believe Kesha. Ugh. No wonder so many women and men don't come forward after being sexually assaulted.
Nicolas Lee Oh i understand
She wouldn't want to support the people who were so against her
Hi- can you guys do an update on Kesha? I know it's "just pop culture" and not considered "real news" by some....but I JUST got onto her new music... and considering what all she's been through- it's more powerful and soul stirring than anything I've heard or felt in a long time. She is Elevating Pop music right now in this moment. "Prayer" is victorious, and "Woman" is the most fun and empowering Pop song I've heard in ages- with real instruments and brass behind it too. Her name is now Kesha not Ke$ha. To me it's interesting how she's a great example of how her talent was being wasted and exploited so much before- Bc everyone is SHOCKED at her talent now, but it was always there, she was just being dumbed down and objectified- which considering what poignant stuff she is capable of- shows what a travesty that is- and it's a bigger issue than just Kesha- it's the whole music industry- and the messages they promote to the youth of the whole world. It's really meaningful now what Kesha is doing and that she's not broken and she's back with such a vengeance.
Totally agree with your great comment, thank you from Italy!
I can't believe how easy it is to ruin somebody's reputation based on accusations every rape accusations should be kept private until a judge makes a decision on whether the accused is guilty
+TKI GRP. what if the judge is corrupt?
+togashi than the victim can request a judge change, its in the law.
J'Chris pretty sure you can only do that if you have proof the judge is biased.
or...we can just go by the court system like we do now... where juries decide.... so we avoid corruption in the government......
I like how people always pretend that she has a career to lose. She never had a career. Her producer(s) had. She only made some semi-pleasant squeaky noises that got autotuned into generic pop tunes.
+Mephistopheles I know....her 15 minutes ended a long time ago....
Agreed. Who the F is she?
The hordes of woman-hating rape apologists in the comments is appalling.
Yeah, because you have to be all that in order to realize the importance of evidence and that everyone is innocent till PROVEN guilty. All your side ever presents as a counter point is pathetic ad hominem attacks such as these.
Tevdore Talakhadze I would argue a strangely disproportionate onus telling of a deeper motive.
sgtsnakeeyes11 Well, argue for it then. You haven't done anything but make claims. Where are the supporting arguments or evidence?
Even if, perhaps, some people are disproportionately violently denying Keshas claims, it would be understandable. Retarded feminists for years now have been pushing for absolute stupid solutions to rape, by saying that every rape victim should be believed and the accused should be punished regardless of evidence, or that comedians can't make jokes about rape, or using pregnant women who were raped, for their argument for abortion. Which is a fallacy, because they want abortion to be, as it is, a banal popular act, while defending it with small individual cases, where they appeal to sentimentality instead of argument. (This isn't an anti-abortion rant, but using rape as an argument for popularized abortion, available to everyone is nonsense ) Or the amount of famous rape cases, that the feminists went apeshit about, only for it to have been debunked and shown to either be fake or untrue.
So looking at the track record of stupidity, concerning rape, I don't think it's to be of much amazement that many people are starting to be increasingly skeptical and it's your sides fault. Because you have been wrong many times, as it's expected, because you don't see the importance of evidence.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Give me the proof then I'll take a side.
+SolidSneakNinja Do you realize how hard it is to prove rape?
So if someone accuses you of rape, even though you did not do it or even know the person accusing you, you should be tried or jailed anyway ?
Are you gonna argue "blah, blah, the system should protect me" ?
Don't be blind. The system will rape your freedom so long as someone is convincing enough to look like a victim.
AdayDr1en What are you talking about. You're acting as if it's only bad when it happens to the alleged rapist, all I'm saying is that it's just as bad if not worse when it happens to the victim.
+Infamous No I'm not. I'm speaking of the "falsely accused"(who can end up as much or worse victims than rape victims) which you seem to disregard any thought for.
My point is that it shouldn't be so easy to convict a person of a crime just because it's "really hard" to prove doing. There is no proof of his wrong doing ? He should not be automatically guilty.
"Oh, well, I can't tell if he raped her. There are both very convincing. There is no evidence of anything been done. What do we do ?"
*cuffs the accused, tries him, possibly jails him*
You're okay being an unfortunate victim of a false accusation just because the alleged crime against you is hard to prove wrong doing of, apparently.
+Infamous u r the close minded one if u can't think from the other perspective. I came into this thread thinking that rape is worse, but now I can see how being falsely accused can be worse in some cases
You guys are incredible. Newsflash: Just because you are a bossy boss or abusive it does not mean you are a rapist. So PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE, try to be real news reporters and be IMPARTIAL.
+Alec Stahl you get views by inciting emotions, anything else is secondary to TYT
State Prosecutors have a saying, "'Not guilty' is not the same as 'innocent'".
+Thisold Hatte Or "'Defendant' is not the same as 'convict'".
Keeper Nod True, but prosecutors aren't wont to bring that up.
"Young" Turks... bless em. We all live in denial
Souks onlyjust omg i was waiting for this comment
lol it's a reference to a historical political movement
Dr. Luke should sue for defamation of Character.
+S0ftsh0ck He is.
I"m sorry, but this whole case is a joke. 1. There is no physical evidence. 2. It doesn't matter how many pop celebrities copy her by saying he raped them too, it doesn't make it more true. and 3. You signed you life away to be a corporate pop idol, they pay you millions, make your music for you, set up your tours, do all of your publicity, etc. You're damn right they are going to ask you to stop slandering someone who works at the company when there is no evidence. This isn't a admittance of guilt, it's them paying to make this problem go away because it's hurting their bottom line even if though it's probably going to turn out false in a court of law. Also, you're still under contract with them, so i'm not going to be teary eyed when a court rules that you still have to work for them.
He's so stupid for not doing his research, Dr. Luke still gets paid for her releasing new music even if she doesn't work for him
+JKB she was contractually obligated to produce 7 albums, she made one. she is in breech of contract.
+kingofblades She made two albums
Just because you can't provide physical evidence doesn't mean that it didn't happen. He's been her handler and after she went to rehab she came back fighting.
What is being forgotten here is that just because a company releases a statement saying 'you can still work with us', doesn't mean they are going to fund you adequately, promote you or support you enough for you to actually sell records. That may leave a person bitter, and maybe that's why she decided to say something.
That guy isn't even a real doctor.
+Taxtro What do you mean? I heard he graduated along-side Dr. Pepper, Dr, Scholls and Dr.Dre.
+Jaqen H'ghar You forgot Dr Fox.
+Taxtro DUHHHH ITS A NICKNAME!!
women cry rape all the time when it is usually false. There needs to be a law if you falsely accuse someone of a crime you go to prison for the same duration they would have received if found guilty.
togashi
Most rape claims are coming from young woman who got drunk and slept with someone they wouldn't have if sober. Men find themselves in this situation as well but they don't cry rape they just chalk it up as a bad night. If a woman gets drunk and drives a car and causes an accident we don't forgive her because she was drunk. If a drunk woman stabs someone she isn't let off the hook, but when a drunk woman has consensual sex suddenly she is the victim and didn't know what she was doing.
crazywaffleking *most* rape cases aren't actually reported because theres a negative stigma associated with it like the one you're describing, victims will think others will assume they were faking it and have to live with emotional trauma from the event with no justice. most rapes occur in cultures where rape is not usually punished, so if we want rape to go down we need to stop accidentally supporting the criminal behavior.
a drunk person driving is causing potential harm to other people, so is a stabbing. if you are drunk and a sober person takes advantage of you when you're in a delirious state then it is rape. drunk sex is considered rape when the person is physically unable to give consent, like passed out, having cognition issues, or unable to walk straight.....AND the other person would have to be sober-ish. this is why rape is so hard to convict people for, theres just no way to know what happens.
having a few beers, getting drunk (but not really really drunk), and having sex with someone you regret later isn't rape, i agree, some people will take it too far. i wish there were a higher percentage of people who would know better than to have sex with a drunk person but its really not possible for everyone. the world is full of sick people, but i think rapists are much more dangerous to our society to begin with and i don't want to silence real victims.
+crazywaffleking I disagree because if you can't prove it in court you could be charged. Just because you can't prove it doesn't make it true.
Get your statistics, where are you pulling this, "majority of rape accusations are false" bullshit from? Your ass? Your narrow perspective of rape? And furthermore, intoxication inhibits consent. Check the definition of consent.
this cenk uygur is driving me a lil nuts dr.luke is still gunna profit off of all keshas music with sony. His team even released statements that are saying the exact thing. That Kesha will still be working under his approval. That her new record and everything coming from it are still approved by him. as kesha that would make me sick. not only they are not going back all the way to the beginning when she satrted her career. The whole entertainment industry is the devil period. A person should never be controlled in such a manner. Dr. luke has been called abusive physically and emotionally to the women he produces maybe even more who knows. all the music and entertainment industry does is give out hush money money or end up with so called suicides!!! think about that
Not sure whether to believe Kesha , but we can definitely believe Kelly Clarkson because she's "squeaky clean" .... disgusting attitude.
layla sitton there is a video oN youtube about hiM he has a past of troubling his singers
5:09.. Well, think about how impossible it is to prove that you DIDN'T rape anyone. That's even harder. So stop spreading those rape allegations without solid evidence. You are ruining a mans life here, and you have no idea whether he raped her or not.
Proving rape ain't that hard.... just go to the police and doctor immediately after it happens.
+cmbsoldja they have over a decade of rape kits that the still haven't processed so how would that help at all?
cmbsoldja
but how do you prove it then even if you know the person? Your asking for definitive proof like in a murder trial and it's not that easy and also by coming out with something like that the woman gets treated like shit for being the victim so don't you think that makes it a bit harder for us?
+cmbsoldja And then the guy says that it was consensual and that she wanted it rough. How do you prove that he's lying and she's telling the truth?
+Anna Parker The alternate could be said as well... How can you prove she's lying and he's telling the truth?
+cmbsoldja it's hard to prove weeks and months after it happened
Is she lying? OOFFFFFFFF COURSSSSEEEE!
Why would she lie?
+fadedbia To get out of her contract and boost her career
+Joseph S (Recklesskidjo3) so she lied to get the opportunity to get out of her contract, just to not take that opportunity because she does not want to lie?
totally makes sense bro... *tumbs up*
+Joseph S (Recklesskidjo3) this is years in the making tho. I don't think someone could keep up such a "facade" for so many years just to get out of a contract when said time could have been used to boost their career if that's what they really wanted.
www.tmz.com/2016/02/23/kesha-dr-luke-sexual-assault-rape-drugs-deposition-video/ ill just leave this here
These people are so preachy.... This isn't news, this is a bunch of people getting together and stating their personal opinions, not facts.... It's just sad.
+August Celine III Ever watched American main stream news? It's all they know..
+August Celine III ah they give the facts, along with their opinions... it's refreshing especially when most of the time i'm in agreeance with them
Since when was it the responsibility of companies to investigate sexual abuse?
I love how anti-corporate everyone is until it's about rape. I love how people understand that the justice system is rigged until it's about rape. I love how people are willing to understand that people will say things they don't mean under societal/economic/legal pressure until it's about rape.
+Peter Coffin so it's ok to commit perjury? It's ok to want to crucify someone in the court of public opinion instead in a court of justice?
Listen and believe is flawed. Talk to Brian Banks, Gian Ghomeshi, Tupac, Duke lacrosse playes, uva, etc.
What's with all the dislikes? They actually covered both sides of the story here
+Information769 Trollish a**holes and pro rape meninist morons. Sadly we live in an age where cowardly idiots will still root for the villain just because they think it's funny. Pretty messed up.
Regardless of anyone's opinion on this particular issue, I still think TYT covered both arguments objectively; something I'm not used to seeing from them. I would think people would appreciate that, but whatever.
+chariotdrvr14 That's one hell of a strawman you built there
+Information769 They certainly attempted to be open about it without invalidating her claims or painting him as definitely an evil rapist.
*looking up* Leave it to the partisan commenters with chips on their shoulders and little more than personal gripes to go off to do that.
It's like TYT are actually shining a light on how difficult and nuanced the courts and legal system can be. Or how it can be difficult for a genuine rape victim to come forward when it's tough to prove and our systems operate (so that they can't be abused) on a 'innocent until proven guilty' basis that doesn't help them if they have little evidence. Or how it can be equally difficult to defend yourself from an accusation for similar reasons - people lying about being rapists because they know it's hard to prove and people lying about being raped because they know it's an equally hard accusation to refute. Taking an austere point of view on either position really only helps people get away with doing one thing or the other, which in turn creates more and more people likely to do it.
The fact is - whether we like it or not - each case is very different and should be treated differently, as an individual incidence when it comes to things like accusations, innocence, guilt and the court of public opinion. If there is a larger problem that problem needs to be addressed _outside_ the case at hand instead of applied so that we don't have to think too hard and can satisfy our 'Men = bad' or 'Women = bad' narratives. People are bad, not genders.
Unfortunately the world is full of people who think that if you're a man you're just a rapist waiting to happen and if you're a woman you'll cast false accusations at the drop of a hat when the truth is - thankfully - that I think the law doesn't take either position very strongly and is more interested in the rocky, difficult and unenviable position of observing due process.
For now, at least. Give it time and give the kinds of comments here enough attention and that will change, one way or the other and to the detriment of everyone.
I simply left a point that was brought up from another story and not just here.....she said in deposition Dr Luke did not drug or rape her....that was interesting, and the fact no proof of rape was brought up....I have no axe to grind and I also know what it's like to be in a record deal that you want to break due to any reason.....my point here is if she lied about the drug/abuse then she's not doing women any justice, and it's for her own gain instead of what's proper......I'm very curious about what is true here
I'm not trolling just to stir up nonsense here
who takes her seriously anyway??? isn't this the same girl who says she was raped by a ghost?????
#freeKe$ha
Young women: 20% sexiness, 80% lies.
Can you guys just keep posting the election night show. The Young Turds having their awesome meltdown is the only show worth watching. Greatest online episode ever.
wow so she's not willing to "lie" now but was really happy to do so to the daily mail in 2006 when she said openly and clearly " I was NOT raped"
Isn't it possible that what the court says is not necessarily in line with what the company she is contractually bound to says?
What I don't get is why Sony is so behind Luke? It is not difficult to find a producer, or ten producers, or even 20 or 30 producers to replace him. If I were in the position to call these kinds of shots I would have dropped him immediately and paired her up with a few producers as quickly as possible to try and get a match that we could then promote: preferably a cool friendly producer with a rep for being a nice guy. The whole thing feels ridiculous.
+Damian Dimock My guess he'd sue them for ruining his career without any reason. You can't just fire people over hearsay, which without a conviction, is what this is, right? That lawsuit could be very expensive for them...
+Gaute Løken Yeah lawsuit is the likely answer but I just don't see why they don't just remove him from having anything to with Kesha in particular and keep him as a producer on their label.
the court case where Kesha broke down was even over rape it was about something else? At least to my understand (Please correct me if I'm wrong) I don't mean to be disrespectful either.
Stephanie Fahey it was about ending her contract with Sony and the judge denied it.
If i was raped then no I wouldn't sign a note saying I wasn't rape. I also wouldn't state in a court of law that I wasn't raped by that person. You guys don't seem to mention that in 2011 she stated that in a court of law.
a lot of victims deny what happened to them.
We all know what happened to Michael Jackson after he called the head of Sony a devil.
Oh man
Didn't she take back her statements multiple times before
I really really miss her
The problem is that she continued to work with this guy for almost a decade after he supposedly raped her. At the height of her fame, she decided to bring those allegations forward...probably in hopes of getting out of her terrible contract. Unfortunately, I do believe she is of the character to make false rape accusations.
Ultimately, she provided no evidence, creating a he said/she said case in a crime that is notoriously difficult to prove if the victim doesn't report the crime as soon as it happens.
Now, would Sony offer her that deal? Yep. Its bad PR to have somebody running around associating your brand with rape. At the same time, it would ruin her career. Nobody would work with a person who who admitted to false rape accusations...which is why she chose to go to court. That way, she can still save face.
*"We have a system that assumes someone is innocent until proven guilty. I don't want to change that, but..."*
*"...BUT..."*
This is Modern Feminism.
Nowadays touching a woman's skin is considered rape.
+kenny Junior Looking at a women is sexual assault.
It is actually immoral to assume someones guilt before due process... it is immensly more immoral to assume someones guilt after due process if they have been found innocent.
I love the hypotheticals. Yes, if you are accused of a crime and you dont get convicted that doesnt mean we know you didnt do it it just means we couldnt prove you did it. And you know what, just because noone has accused you of a crime doesnt mean you havent committed a crime. Anyone can be guilty of anything at any time,
This only proves that if you are accused of rape, you are guilty no matter what the verdict is. #feminism
Not following your logic of assuming rape and then bringing feminism into this. That's like talking about corruption and abuse of authority by McDonalds managers underpaying workers and such, and then going #bodypositive. Nobody said anything about the equity of men and women, but way to randomly blame whatever you don't like 😂
Florence Smith
1) The rape quesiton is a frequently talked about in feminism,.and its absolutely a feminist issue
2) The idea of "believing the victim" is a mantra of feminism
3) The idea that you are guilty just by beeing accused is promoted in feminist circles, just listen to anita sarkesians "listen and believe" speach. and there are lots more examples.
Im sorry but this question has been synonymous with feminism since the dawn of 3rd wave feminism and its not getting better.
And yes i was useing hyperbole...
It is even more immoral to assume someones guilty, after you swear unter oath that he is innocent at court years ago.
SHE'S STILL UNDER HIS LABEL!!!! HE HAS A HAND IN HER CAREER AND WHAT SHE DOES. SO SHE HAS TO GO THROUGH HIM NO MATTER WHAT!! So she isn't free from him essentially!!! Dr. Luke gets the last say because his label, Kemosabe in which she is signed, and it is under Sony. So she IS NOT FREE!
Male violence is the worst problem in the world.
+Angela Ryan feminists as well
Meesh Bono just the fact that you are asking me to "prove how feminism is also causing a similar suffering" is telling me that you're a feminist despite abstractly announcing denial.
+Angela Ryan no it's not. Idiots like you buying into liberal victim culture invented to garner votes is the worst thing in the world. Pretty simple kid. Innocent until proven guilty. Repeat it 5 times.
joe shmo Denial.
Angela Ryan You're in denial? Yeah I know that.
Michael Jackson warned us about Sony
Please do an update!
you gusy should check out her new song. It is really a heart pulling strings song.
Maybe she doesn't want Dr Luke profitting from her music anymore. I don't blame her on that point