The difference between the UK and USA when it comes to self defence. Americans do not rely on the Police the way we do. In an affray you are likely to be arrested in the same way the assailant is. That said, our reliance on the Police is been severally tested these days, and will only get worse.
Well put together. Well spoken. You put in words a lot of cultural differences I've noted in conversing with people from the US on the Internet over many years.
Great respectful and factual video, i will call on you if i need an outdoor Dr. Phill ;) ATB from across the pond.., that other one, to the Netherlands.
In New Zealand I find genuine outdoor enthusiasts are fine. It’s camping at road ends / close to roads is a bit more dangerous. Especially in the weekends when more alcohol and drugs are consumed. Hence I never camp in a location where hoons might show up 🇬🇧 🇳🇿
What a brilliant response to a condescending comment! Your self-control shows true greatness. All your arguments highlight why it is worth to defend democracy and personal freedom.
I used to do work for a policeman who on several occasions told me that there is no bad situation that a gun can't make very much worse. Apart from having to deal with badly injured livestock, I think he is right.
In the UK you can protect yourself ‘in the heat of the moment’ - this includes using an object as a weapon and stop an intruder running off - for example by tackling them to the ground There’s no specific definition of ‘reasonable force’ - it depends on the circumstances. If you only did what you honestly thought was necessary at the time, this would provide strong evidence that you acted within the law.
That is assuming your lucky enough that a weapon is within reach if they believe you had it for self defence or had it stashed you can still get in trouble our laws forbid guns there are thousands of illegal guns in the uk it is also illegal to buy most “bladed articles” through legal means yet criminals get ZK’s machetes switchblades knuckle dusters all of these are illegal to own/sell in UK most people do not have punch ups now a days especially london if someone attacks you 60/40% chance they have something on them our police have batons tazers and pepper spray yet can barely use the “reasonable force” they say we should be using
The British system gives more protections to the criminal than the victim. Criminals have guns, knives and machetes, law abiding citizens are not allowed to. The fact that if someone tries to kill you and you could get in more trouble for anything you do in response is insane. "Reasonable force" is not defined and do you really trust the courts to determine that?
It really doesn't give more protections to the criminal. If you are caught carrying a firearm the minimum sentence is 5 years and that is just for possession in a public place. If you have a knife outside a small foldable pocket knife without good reason, you can go to prison for up to 4 years. Does it still happen, yes. Is it greatly reduced, absolutely. The idea that you can get into trouble for 'anything' you do to protect yourself from getting into trouble is incorrect. Its exactly that mis-conception I am addressing in this video. Your actions just have to be reasonable and proportional. If somebody is trying to kill you it is reasonable and proportional to defend yourself more robustly. Do I trust the courts to judge what is reasonable? Mostly, yes. There is always gong to be a margin of error where the courts get it wrong. Now if your attacker has a firearm and you have a firearm can you both pull your guns out can you 100% guarantee you will be the one who doesn't get shot? No, of course not. I would take the chances of a court getting it wrong after careful deliberation over the chances of surviving a gun fight any day. Particularly when they just wanted to steal my phone. I removed the second comment you made, not because i necessarily disagree, (data is data) but because comments like that can get my channel de-monetised, hope you understand. I suspect the thing you mentioned is culturally driven rather than genetic and as I mentioned in the video, our cultures are different which is another reason we don't need them. I should point out though even the remaining 40% rate of homicides in the U.S is still over 3 times higher than we have in the UK.d no And no, it wouldn't be more appropriate to consider another country that has guns but low crime rate because I am NOT arguing against guns in America. I am explaining why we don't need them in the UK, which I hope I made very clear in the video.
@@dogdadoutdoors Thing is, whilst what you say is true, criminals, by definition, don’t tend to obey laws. As a Brit now living in Australia (similar gun and self defence laws) I would rather have the US system and laws. In an ideal world, we would have a blend of the best bits of both….
@@dogdadoutdoors I have no issues with stopping the wrong types from legally buying firearms…..but there is no shortage of illegal firearms available though many sources for those that want them. I’m talking more the nonsense of self defence laws, though. The law favours the criminal, and often penalises the victim, and that is completely arse about.
Good explanation - I do think there are caveats to your axe explanation though - it would be allowable under certain circumstances, I.e. you were genuinely in fear for life and the power disparity between you was such the the axe was a necessary equalizer to give you a chance of survival.
Well presented. And, yes, we do have more large predators. I'm only about 50 miles from NYC and people here have been attacked by bears, coyotes, and bobcats. Some in their own backyards.
I am a Portuguese and I live in Portugal and I became a subscriber of yours some months ago... In what concerns firearms laws Portugal and Britain are similar but Portuguese law is not so restrictive about guns and specially knives , in here our pocket knives or others are limited in blade length without being considered weapons, once I saw o video of yours about self-defence and I liked it , I have two questions for you or your subscribers: 1st , Can you give the title of the video that got you those comments? 2nd: Without taking sides I believe there is a troubling question that I have which is: What if the attacker ( the person who started the fight or provoked it) is much bigger and stronger than the one attacked , which could even be a woman, let us imagine one British woman and I know at least two who have big TH-cam channels and go camping , one solo, was attacked , would it became fair if she used like her axe or knife?... This is important because even in a fist fight or street fight one can be knocked out and then killed , what if a strong man choked a woman or proceeds to rape her...being life the most important thing we have, i mean...also another point that i remembered due to a video I saw, in my view all of your police officers should have firearms.
A man or woman is allowed to defend themselves. If a woman is attacked by someone who is clearly stronger than them then it is acceptable for her to reach out, grab a rock and use it. Providing that the person was genuinely fearful for their life. However, if she hit an attacker on the head and then pursued the attacker to continue the attack they are no longer acting in self defence. Ditto making dinner and an intruder appears in the kitchen and grabs her, she had a knife in her hand that she was using and instinctively used it ... But, there's always a but. If she carries the knife for self defence she would be committing an offence. Hope that helps.
That pretty much sums it up perfectly. Each case is judged on its own merits. You can't carry anything for 'self-defence' as that means you planned to use it as a weapon, so it becomes an 'offensive weapon'. But it could be construed as reasonable if a smaller victim picked up a stick or something to get the upper hand, as you say provided they stop once they were no longer a threat.
@@p2snetwork This is a terrible law. Women have no means of defending themselves against a man, not even spray is allowed. People who already intended to do wrong are not going to be persuaded not to carry a weapon because of a law, it only makes the innocent incredibly vulnerable. I'm not even talking about firearms specifically. You're not allowed to carry spray, a tazer or anything else that isn't a deadly weapon but can be used in self defense.
@@danke1150 This is because people will act in fear when there's actually no reasonable situation to draw a weapon and start threatening folk with it. I've seen other women act like frightened rabbits the moment a man they don't know so much as looks at them, I wouldn't trust them with pepper spray or Tazers in the slightest. It can, and does, escalate situations. A woman pulling a Tazer on a man is probably not going to help her anyway, she has to ensure she knows how to use it, that it gets in contact with his skin, etc. If not, then what? And if there's more than one attacker, which is quite likely, pepper spray and a Tazer definitely won't help.
The key in the uk, is to understand the threat level. This will then give you the level of response that you may use. Its as simple as that. Dont get me wrong, if my life is threatened with a weapon, and im unarmed, i would rather be on a manslaughter charge, then be the main attraction down the morgue.
I think that pretty much sums up the 'Reasonable and Proportional' rule. In the UK we are unlikely to face an attacker armed with a firearm and so the threat level is considerably lower and so we don't need to respond with deadly force as a first response in the same way as many American's feel, which is a very different situation to that an American may find themselves in when in America. But if we are attacked with say a knife or club then we absolutely can take reasonable steps to defend ourselves, based on that threat level. Its only when the threat level changes people tend to fall foul of the law, like the father who was jailed for 'defending his family' after two attempted burglars sped away on motorbikes and he drove after them and hit them with his car. There was no longer a threat. Or the Farmer Tony Martin who shot and killed a burglar as he was running away.
I’m happy with the way our country deals with our weapons and self defence abilities. I wouldn’t want to have everyone wondering around with guns as in the US. 🇺🇸. 😊
That's because we are brainwashed and we are basically thinking owning a fire arm is ridiculous, it's not it's what free men and women are allowed which we are truly not ,
Same, I love that we don't need to worry about it. I always ask what is the greater freedom, the freedom to carry a firearm, or the freedom not to need one? I know which I choose anyway.
Ah no, that's not accurate. If you are born in the UK you are typically a British Citizen which means you can live an work in the UK free of any immigration controls. British Subjects where typically those who had a close connection to Great Britain, such as from the common wealth countries, but being a British Subject doesn't give you a right to work and live in the UK the same way as citizenship does. Not many people qualify as British subjects these days, you can apply if you are stateless or come from an overseas British territory, but it doesn't give you the same rights as a Citizen.
Its just so unlikely to happen here we don't even worry about it. And in the rare chance it did? They probably just want your stuff and it's all replaceable, not worth risking getting into a gun fight over anyway.
In most situations in the UK where you're being threatened with a firearm, if you are (to use mafia parlance) 'a civilian', the attacker won't/isn't prepared to pull the trigger. In these situations, the gun probably doesn't work, isn't loaded, or isn't even real, it's just for intimidation. The sentencing difference between 'aggravated assault/theft' and 'Grievous Bodily Harm/Wounding with intent/Murder/Manslaughter' is serious enough to prevent most illegal gun users from actually shooting an otherwise innocent person. If, however, as a British citizen, you're involved in the world of illegal firearms (rather than being a farmer or sports shooter) - or you're a police officer - that's a different matter entirely.
For discussion purposes I'm going to ask you to expand on that if you don't mind? What rights, relating to self-defence, do criminals have in the UK that non-criminals do not?
Blimey, i go out to chill out not to fight madmen. If you camp in the right places the chances of seeing anyone is slim. You are far more likely to have confrontation in towns or cities
Oh 100%, this is came out of video about people feeling nervous about solo wild-camping and so giving a few tips on avoiding populated areas, just trying to stay out of sight and avoiding confrontation, but there have been a number of American's telling everybody they need firearms to stay safe. people seem to like the topic and so I ended up doing a little series around it.
@@dogdadoutdoors yeah I get that. I just don't understand why people equate forests and woodland with nutters.. Nutters live mainly in populated areas.
@@andycoombes161 Definitely. I think its just fear in an environment people are not used to. The isolation, the animal sounds they can't identify, just feeling vulnerable with a thin bit of nylon between you and the world as you sleep rather than a locked door etc. We are pretty vulnerable when we sleep.
In 40 years of wild camping I've never had a problem with people. I've camped in bear country in the US and had no issue, in Africa with no issue...I did get bitten by a fox on Dartmoor once though and wished I'd had bear spray, lol.
LOL! I've only had trouble once, I do go out of my way not to draw attention to myself though and for me, that is the first line of defence, if people don't know you are there, they can't mess with you in the rate situation they wanted to.
@@dogdadoutdoors These days my first line is the missus, second line is a husky the size of Canada. But in all honesty de escalation is anyone's first line, and to remember 99 percent of people out in the sticks are fine, the other 1 percent are just looking for a place to bury the body.
There are loads of peole in uk, who have arms, mostly criminals and others. Its just general population do not generall have access to them without a license or permit from police.
Can you define loads? There definitely are some, I consulted for the home office on the surrender of weapons and they were not expecting a huge number. It would certainly be very difficult to argue Firearms are as prevalent as they are in the U.S where it is estimated there are more firearms than people.
@@dogdadoutdoorsI'm a 37 year old Scouser from croxteth , I'm also ex army / inf in sure you are a Scouser too so we both well know loads of people do have guns illegally, I've seen quite a few young lads with all sorts around croxteth when I was on leave years ago and it's still the same from what I hear , just look at the stats from how many people get shit each year , this fella has got a point our laws are ridiculous and the real criminals don't follow them , the average Joe has been punished so many times for defending themselves even in their own propertys ,
I can't, they'd be running and its a complicated subject, they'd be out of earshot before I had finished. But it goes like this, yeah, you absolutely still do have incidences homicide here, of course you do, but its a lot, LOT less than they have in the U.S, particularly when it comes to firearms. This means whilst individuals may still be victims, as a group, WE are much safer.
The difference between the UK and USA when it comes to self defence. Americans do not rely on the Police the way we do. In an affray you are likely to be arrested in the same way the assailant is. That said, our reliance on the Police is been severally tested these days, and will only get worse.
Well put together. Well spoken. You put in words a lot of cultural differences I've noted in conversing with people from the US on the Internet over many years.
Thank you.
Great respectful and factual video, i will call on you if i need an outdoor Dr. Phill ;)
ATB from across the pond.., that other one, to the Netherlands.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
In New Zealand I find genuine outdoor enthusiasts are fine. It’s camping at road ends / close to roads is a bit more dangerous. Especially in the weekends when more alcohol and drugs are consumed. Hence I never camp in a location where hoons might show up 🇬🇧 🇳🇿
Location is definitely well over 90% of avoiding any issue. totally agree.
What a brilliant response to a condescending comment! Your self-control shows true greatness. All your arguments highlight why it is worth to defend democracy and personal freedom.
Thanks, stuff like that only seems to happen on the videos that are doing better than others, so I see the trolls as a sign its doing alright!
@@dogdadoutdoors 😎love your attitude!
I used to do work for a policeman who on several occasions told me that there is no bad situation that a gun can't make very much worse. Apart from having to deal with badly injured livestock, I think he is right.
I tend to agree.
In the UK you can protect yourself ‘in the heat of the moment’ - this includes using an object as a weapon and stop an intruder running off - for example by tackling them to the ground
There’s no specific definition of ‘reasonable force’ - it depends on the circumstances. If you only did what you honestly thought was necessary at the time, this would provide strong evidence that you acted within the law.
Absolutely, it's just about sticking to doing what would be considered reasonable. I like our system.
That is assuming your lucky enough that a weapon is within reach if they believe you had it for self defence or had it stashed you can still get in trouble our laws forbid guns there are thousands of illegal guns in the uk it is also illegal to buy most “bladed articles” through legal means yet criminals get ZK’s machetes switchblades knuckle dusters all of these are illegal to own/sell in UK most people do not have punch ups now a days especially london if someone attacks you 60/40% chance they have something on them our police have batons tazers and pepper spray yet can barely use the “reasonable force” they say we should be using
"how little progress he's made in 9 years" - ouch, he'll need cream on that burn!😁
He can't write something like that and get off completely free! I was pretty diplomatic I thought.
The British system gives more protections to the criminal than the victim. Criminals have guns, knives and machetes, law abiding citizens are not allowed to. The fact that if someone tries to kill you and you could get in more trouble for anything you do in response is insane. "Reasonable force" is not defined and do you really trust the courts to determine that?
It really doesn't give more protections to the criminal. If you are caught carrying a firearm the minimum sentence is 5 years and that is just for possession in a public place. If you have a knife outside a small foldable pocket knife without good reason, you can go to prison for up to 4 years. Does it still happen, yes. Is it greatly reduced, absolutely. The idea that you can get into trouble for 'anything' you do to protect yourself from getting into trouble is incorrect. Its exactly that mis-conception I am addressing in this video. Your actions just have to be reasonable and proportional. If somebody is trying to kill you it is reasonable and proportional to defend yourself more robustly.
Do I trust the courts to judge what is reasonable? Mostly, yes. There is always gong to be a margin of error where the courts get it wrong. Now if your attacker has a firearm and you have a firearm can you both pull your guns out can you 100% guarantee you will be the one who doesn't get shot? No, of course not. I would take the chances of a court getting it wrong after careful deliberation over the chances of surviving a gun fight any day. Particularly when they just wanted to steal my phone.
I removed the second comment you made, not because i necessarily disagree, (data is data) but because comments like that can get my channel de-monetised, hope you understand. I suspect the thing you mentioned is culturally driven rather than genetic and as I mentioned in the video, our cultures are different which is another reason we don't need them. I should point out though even the remaining 40% rate of homicides in the U.S is still over 3 times higher than we have in the UK.d no
And no, it wouldn't be more appropriate to consider another country that has guns but low crime rate because I am NOT arguing against guns in America. I am explaining why we don't need them in the UK, which I hope I made very clear in the video.
@@dogdadoutdoors Thing is, whilst what you say is true, criminals, by definition, don’t tend to obey laws. As a Brit now living in Australia (similar gun and self defence laws) I would rather have the US system and laws. In an ideal world, we would have a blend of the best bits of both….
@@ammocraft Of course they don't, that is why controlling the supply is so important.
@@dogdadoutdoors I have no issues with stopping the wrong types from legally buying firearms…..but there is no shortage of illegal firearms available though many sources for those that want them. I’m talking more the nonsense of self defence laws, though. The law favours the criminal, and often penalises the victim, and that is completely arse about.
Good explanation - I do think there are caveats to your axe explanation though - it would be allowable under certain circumstances, I.e. you were genuinely in fear for life and the power disparity between you was such the the axe was a necessary equalizer to give you a chance of survival.
Yes, there have been cases of that.
Well presented. And, yes, we do have more large predators. I'm only about 50 miles from NYC and people here have been attacked by bears, coyotes, and bobcats. Some in their own backyards.
Yes, I've seen some of the videos on TH-cam and in that environment, I'd probably want something to keep me safe. Its all about context I think.
I am a Portuguese and I live in Portugal and I became a subscriber of yours some months ago... In what concerns firearms laws Portugal and Britain are similar but Portuguese law is not so restrictive about guns and specially knives , in here our pocket knives or others are limited in blade length without being considered weapons, once I saw o video of yours about self-defence and I liked it , I have two questions for you or your subscribers: 1st , Can you give the title of the video that got you those comments? 2nd: Without taking sides I believe there is a troubling question that I have which is: What if the attacker ( the person who started the fight or provoked it) is much bigger and stronger than the one attacked , which could even be a woman, let us imagine one British woman and I know at least two who have big TH-cam channels and go camping , one solo, was attacked , would it became fair if she used like her axe or knife?... This is important because even in a fist fight or street fight one can be knocked out and then killed , what if a strong man choked a woman or proceeds to rape her...being life the most important thing we have, i mean...also another point that i remembered due to a video I saw, in my view all of your police officers should have firearms.
A man or woman is allowed to defend themselves. If a woman is attacked by someone who is clearly stronger than them then it is acceptable for her to reach out, grab a rock and use it. Providing that the person was genuinely fearful for their life.
However, if she hit an attacker on the head and then pursued the attacker to continue the attack they are no longer acting in self defence.
Ditto making dinner and an intruder appears in the kitchen and grabs her, she had a knife in her hand that she was using and instinctively used it ...
But, there's always a but. If she carries the knife for self defence she would be committing an offence.
Hope that helps.
That pretty much sums it up perfectly. Each case is judged on its own merits. You can't carry anything for 'self-defence' as that means you planned to use it as a weapon, so it becomes an 'offensive weapon'. But it could be construed as reasonable if a smaller victim picked up a stick or something to get the upper hand, as you say provided they stop once they were no longer a threat.
@@p2snetwork This is a terrible law. Women have no means of defending themselves against a man, not even spray is allowed. People who already intended to do wrong are not going to be persuaded not to carry a weapon because of a law, it only makes the innocent incredibly vulnerable.
I'm not even talking about firearms specifically. You're not allowed to carry spray, a tazer or anything else that isn't a deadly weapon but can be used in self defense.
@@danke1150 This is because people will act in fear when there's actually no reasonable situation to draw a weapon and start threatening folk with it. I've seen other women act like frightened rabbits the moment a man they don't know so much as looks at them, I wouldn't trust them with pepper spray or Tazers in the slightest. It can, and does, escalate situations. A woman pulling a Tazer on a man is probably not going to help her anyway, she has to ensure she knows how to use it, that it gets in contact with his skin, etc. If not, then what? And if there's more than one attacker, which is quite likely, pepper spray and a Tazer definitely won't help.
Well said my friend. I too get some strange comments from American subscribers. 🙄
I find it interesting how we each have a completely different perspective despite being similar in so many other ways.
@@dogdadoutdoors I was a admin on a very large American FB camping group. 1st response to any problem was carry a gun. 🙄
@@frogmaster83 It's certainly very different. I'm really glad we've gone our route.
Very well done video sir very well handled 💪 top man💪 😂😂
Cheers buddy, appreciate that.
The key in the uk, is to understand the threat level. This will then give you the level of response that you may use. Its as simple as that. Dont get me wrong, if my life is threatened with a weapon, and im unarmed, i would rather be on a manslaughter charge, then be the main attraction down the morgue.
I think that pretty much sums up the 'Reasonable and Proportional' rule. In the UK we are unlikely to face an attacker armed with a firearm and so the threat level is considerably lower and so we don't need to respond with deadly force as a first response in the same way as many American's feel, which is a very different situation to that an American may find themselves in when in America. But if we are attacked with say a knife or club then we absolutely can take reasonable steps to defend ourselves, based on that threat level. Its only when the threat level changes people tend to fall foul of the law, like the father who was jailed for 'defending his family' after two attempted burglars sped away on motorbikes and he drove after them and hit them with his car. There was no longer a threat. Or the Farmer Tony Martin who shot and killed a burglar as he was running away.
I’m happy with the way our country deals with our weapons and self defence abilities. I wouldn’t want to have everyone wondering around with guns as in the US. 🇺🇸. 😊
That's because we are brainwashed and we are basically thinking owning a fire arm is ridiculous, it's not it's what free men and women are allowed which we are truly not ,
Same, I love that we don't need to worry about it. I always ask what is the greater freedom, the freedom to carry a firearm, or the freedom not to need one? I know which I choose anyway.
What is different is that Americans are citizens and you are subjects
Ah no, that's not accurate. If you are born in the UK you are typically a British Citizen which means you can live an work in the UK free of any immigration controls. British Subjects where typically those who had a close connection to Great Britain, such as from the common wealth countries, but being a British Subject doesn't give you a right to work and live in the UK the same way as citizenship does.
Not many people qualify as British subjects these days, you can apply if you are stateless or come from an overseas British territory, but it doesn't give you the same rights as a Citizen.
I have been attacked a couple of times here in the UK. I did not need a gun, or any weapons, to defend myself. I learnt a martial art to do that. 😸
Good Luck with your unarmed combat when you come up against a Crim with a firearm.
Its just so unlikely to happen here we don't even worry about it. And in the rare chance it did? They probably just want your stuff and it's all replaceable, not worth risking getting into a gun fight over anyway.
Same here Phillip, and I think you can end most fights before they begin just by the way you carry yourself and talk to others.
In most situations in the UK where you're being threatened with a firearm, if you are (to use mafia parlance) 'a civilian', the attacker won't/isn't prepared to pull the trigger. In these situations, the gun probably doesn't work, isn't loaded, or isn't even real, it's just for intimidation. The sentencing difference between 'aggravated assault/theft' and 'Grievous Bodily Harm/Wounding with intent/Murder/Manslaughter' is serious enough to prevent most illegal gun users from actually shooting an otherwise innocent person. If, however, as a British citizen, you're involved in the world of illegal firearms (rather than being a farmer or sports shooter) - or you're a police officer - that's a different matter entirely.
In Britain the criminals have more rights
For discussion purposes I'm going to ask you to expand on that if you don't mind? What rights, relating to self-defence, do criminals have in the UK that non-criminals do not?
Blimey, i go out to chill out not to fight madmen. If you camp in the right places the chances of seeing anyone is slim. You are far more likely to have confrontation in towns or cities
Oh 100%, this is came out of video about people feeling nervous about solo wild-camping and so giving a few tips on avoiding populated areas, just trying to stay out of sight and avoiding confrontation, but there have been a number of American's telling everybody they need firearms to stay safe. people seem to like the topic and so I ended up doing a little series around it.
@@dogdadoutdoors yeah I get that. I just don't understand why people equate forests and woodland with nutters.. Nutters live mainly in populated areas.
@@andycoombes161 Definitely. I think its just fear in an environment people are not used to. The isolation, the animal sounds they can't identify, just feeling vulnerable with a thin bit of nylon between you and the world as you sleep rather than a locked door etc. We are pretty vulnerable when we sleep.
In 40 years of wild camping I've never had a problem with people.
I've camped in bear country in the US and had no issue, in Africa with no issue...I did get bitten by a fox on Dartmoor once though and wished I'd had bear spray, lol.
LOL! I've only had trouble once, I do go out of my way not to draw attention to myself though and for me, that is the first line of defence, if people don't know you are there, they can't mess with you in the rate situation they wanted to.
@@dogdadoutdoors These days my first line is the missus, second line is a husky the size of Canada.
But in all honesty de escalation is anyone's first line, and to remember 99 percent of people out in the sticks are fine, the other 1 percent are just looking for a place to bury the body.
@@rialobran LOL!
You can carry a walking stick anywhere.
Exactly, and it's for walking. Hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that isn't what it is for!
Irish shillelaigh I have, Batareacht is a martial art
@@SimonTimoney-74 youtube.com/@pasquinilli?si=7aGvFYRtUZW-QBWZ
There are loads of peole in uk, who have arms, mostly criminals and others.
Its just general population do not generall have access to them without a license or permit from police.
Can you define loads? There definitely are some, I consulted for the home office on the surrender of weapons and they were not expecting a huge number. It would certainly be very difficult to argue Firearms are as prevalent as they are in the U.S where it is estimated there are more firearms than people.
@@dogdadoutdoorsI'm a 37 year old Scouser from croxteth , I'm also ex army / inf in sure you are a Scouser too so we both well know loads of people do have guns illegally, I've seen quite a few young lads with all sorts around croxteth when I was on leave years ago and it's still the same from what I hear , just look at the stats from how many people get shit each year , this fella has got a point our laws are ridiculous and the real criminals don't follow them , the average Joe has been punished so many times for defending themselves even in their own propertys ,
@@dogdadoutdoors
Cant answer that here. Stop looking atgovernment stats may help
@@dogdadoutdoors The Government wouldn't have the figures on illegal firearms because they're... illegal.
Where is 'e, I'll 'ave 'im, 'ow dare 'e slag us off!
LOL! We were all young once.
@@dogdadoutdoors 😁
Hey, I understand that you are proud to be British but please don't overdo it :)
Genuinely am. We aren't perfect, I'm not blind to our flaws but this little island is a great place to live if you know how to work it.
Uk is not a democracy no way no how
You are going to have to justify that one with opposing facts and figures buddy, hope thats not too much to ask?
Tell that to scmeone getting chased by one of our illegal visitors with a machete
I can't, they'd be running and its a complicated subject, they'd be out of earshot before I had finished. But it goes like this, yeah, you absolutely still do have incidences homicide here, of course you do, but its a lot, LOT less than they have in the U.S, particularly when it comes to firearms. This means whilst individuals may still be victims, as a group, WE are much safer.