I think Null's last words being "Give it to me" just emphasise how he only operates on the instinct of greed, rather than having more complex intentions like Ganondorf, Zant etc.
Null's acts like an instinctinual animal at the end of the day, it would make sense it's last thought would be of mere survival than something equivalent to Denise's curse.
Also to be a reminder that Ganondorf is a greedy bastard, it wasn't enough for just bein' the king of the gerudo, he wanted all the land and he never let it go, because he is just as greedy as his predecessor Demise, The Herald of the Death.
Perhaps that shape is what the mind of a person in the Zelda franchise defaults to when it beholds what is essentially a living concept that isn't specifically using a form of its own choice. Tri and his kind, whose only purpose is to mend rifts, never bothered to choose their own shapes, and thus they appear as we see them when they are beheld by mortals.
I think it makes *more* sense that he sucks at manipulation. he's a primordial monster and everything more complicated than "nothing" was made as a prison to contain him. that means that the more complicated something is, the harder it is for him to conceive. sure he can understand rocks and blobs of goo with skins on them, but actual thought? friendship? impossible. even his echoes operate on a very base state that can't manipulate on anything more than greed and fear, the two most primordial instincts
Yet Null was able to make an Echo of one of the Gerudos to manipulate their soldiers into fighting Null's infinite mooks. Null understands things like friendship, in the same sense that sociopaths do.
@@MasterKnightDH It felt to me like the more independent an Echo was, the smarter they were. That is, those Echoes that Null used as hand-puppet, by virtue of being hand-puppet, could only be as smart as Null was, while the more independent Echoes, such as Facette's, could actually make full use of their original's smarts.
It doesn't even have to be complexity, per se, that eludes Null's understanding. It's sociality. Null was alone in the infinite darkness for who-knows-how-many eons before the world's creation, never having to develop much emotion beyond hunger, or to conceptualize any other perspective but its own. Then the goddesses, the Tri, and life itself all commenced working to keep it constrained against its will, and it learned resentment for their interference with its absolute solitary autonomy. Now it retaliates by stoking similar feelings of resentment in others, via its puppets, yet it continually fails to take mortal beings' wide range of better emotions into account.
This game tells us what the triforce literally represents: The three golden triangles surrounding a 4th empty one is the literal depiction of the three golden goddesses imprisoning away Null with the creation of the world.
@jackryan5880 Nintendo have confirmed before there isn't a 4th piece of the triforce specifically, so this is actually a nice head-cannon that I'll go with, thanks 👍
@@GikamesShadow:Lorule is just another version of Hyrule. For all anyone knows, either it has its own version of Null, Null exists only specifically in the main timeline, or Null transcends universes like how the Goddesses are insinuated to do.
I like the implication that _this_ Link is mute because of the rifts this time around, rather than just choosing to stay silent like the Link in Botw... Really gives them that individuality, as if the reason for their silence is different for every reincarnation, but always a constant.
BotW link isn't mute he's laconic. he can and does speak but not very much and he doesn't have a proper voice actor, this is actually true for most links. a thing that happens with a lot of "silent protagonists" is that they do in fact speak they just don't have dialogue boxes or voice acting.
@@genisisbeing Actually, BotW Link is described to seemingly have a form of selective mutism, at least in his pre-Calamity life. His intense anxiety about being the Hero causes him to stop speaking in nearly all situations, which yes could be read as purely conscious choice but could equally be read as not fully in his control. Like, even his close friends have a hard time getting any speech out of him by the time he's appointed as Zelda's guard, and it takes a lot of time and trust built from Zelda for him to speak directly to her. The writers very intentionally wrote that him not speaking often was an in-universe trait his character had, so I think there's a bit more to it for him than most of the other, strictly laconic, Links. (my favorite of which being TP Link because you can see his mouth moving as he talks to people in some cutscenes.)
Just finished last night, and there's a moment at the end when Link and Zelda have returned to Castle Town after defeating Null where you see him talking, just like anyone else. So it's consistent.
The jump from “Gerudo King that wants to rule the entire world as dictated by the Zelda version of Satan” to “Lovecraftian embodiment of the emptiness that exists where neither matter nor antimatter is present, a being of void that wants nothing more than to consume all of reality itself and plunge the universe not into eternal darkness, but eternal nonexistence” was not the jump i was expecting zelda to make but one that i have to say they pulled off very well.
I was just thinking this earlier. Very Majora-like in that it just wants to consume everything. Majora is more deity-like though, so Null being an enigmatic cosmic force of destruction makes it a bit more terrifying.
For the question posed about whether Null's echoes have wills of their own or are being puppeted by it, I think it's actual both at once. It seems that when Null creates echoes, it does so by almost fracturing pieces of itself off. Null seems to have only gained the power to make echoes by literally consuming the tri. The Tri in the rifts have been collected into concentrated masses and are usually at the core of the dungeon bosses. It seems to me that the only way Null's even figured out how to make echoes is by splitting itself like a cell into multiple tiny pieces, containing tris. So its echoes are at once, separate entities and also pieces of Null. They posses fragments of Null's consciousness and will speak as Null, but also recognize that they are not the Prime Null, in a sense. Null becomes a sort of Hive mind, able to be one and many at the same time.
Godesses want to keep messing with their little sandbox called hyrule, with the endless cycle of destruction and rebirth. They enjoy seeing hyrule rise, burn then have a little trio of the same actors do the same dance number over and over. Null want to eat the sandbox.
I rather doubt this was the Intention of the Goddesses. They think it was unfair that null errases everything that tries to exist. So they create too much for Null to errase and leave the World for anyone who wants to exist. And the Triforce they left behind with the Intention to be used by Mortals to also have their wishes fulfilled - probably they didnt think it fully through. Because while the Devourer of the Worlds is Captive, they didnt expect a Ruler of Hell to rise. That's why they left the Triforce in the Care of Hylia.
This is a pretty shit tier interpretation. The Goddesses were stopping a being that devoured anything that came into existence, they gave existence a chance to thrive. Demise created the cyclical, eternal fued between the hero, goddess and his hatred, not the Goddesses. Demise is mainly responsible for making existence harder for the people of the world and the world wouldn't exist if Null wasn't stopped.
While Hylia and Demise operate on the Good vs Evil axis… the Golden Goddesses and Null operate on the Existence (proliferation of life) vs Non-Existence (consumption of life) axis. I would add that looking at the lore as a whole, the creation of the world would be not just to contain Null, but also to uphold goodness in living beings, as Hylia’s creation suggests.
Null is Satan. It exists to destroy what is created by the gods. It is the true devil of the Zelda franchise. This thing is a god of evil on a supreme level. It really makes one think how powerful Zelda really is if she was able to destroy something like this.
@@warioland523Non existence is only evil in the sense it is a threat to our life, but doesn't really go beyond that. Demise is more like the Satan figure. Null only destroys because that's its nature. Demise/Ganon destroys because he actively hates, he has desire and motivation. Satan was not born the way he acts, its not in his mature to destroy. He chooses to.
@@pancakes8670 I would say Null is operating on his purpose as a god of destruction but the thing is he he displays sadism as well as levels of deceit showing he knows what he's doing but he doesn't care nor have any regard for the life he's endangering. Null is evil because he just wants to kill not out of obligation but because he's obsessed with the power of the Triforce and wants to absorb everything and destroy it. He probably could have stopped at any time but he didn't. Also the fact that he also displays thirst for revenge against his counterparts the Golden Goddesses shows that he has clear personality.
I think Null would’ve been a lot more compelling if instead of wanting to be the only thing that existed, that Null was inexistence itself personified. From this Null’s perspective, it would be trying to rescue the discordant mutated shards of itself back to an existence of peaceful and unconflicting unity, like the void watchers’ goal from League of legends except as one entity, as the personification of inexistence. I think then it would act as a really good foil to Zelda’s overworld, where the inhabitants want to exist despite suffering, despite separation and never being able to truly understand what it’s like to *be* one another, despite identity dividing and limiting and despite the overstimulating, overwhelming ‘noise’ of life versus eternal unity and tranquillity with an unconsciously sentient matter. It would’ve been a lot more compelling with a villain actively destroying the world out of compassion and attempted soothing, like a misguided morbid lullaby. This would also give Zelda the chance to show it why the chaos of existence is beautiful and worth having over endless peace and unity.
I just had a thought now that Null's existence is canon. What if the demon tribes invaded the surface not entirely because of a desire for conquest. They could've been fleeing from the deep subterranean rifts that the entity tore open. And the reason Ganon was one of the dark echoes is because Null ate the sealed king of evil during it's feedings.
Even Worse: Ganon was probably even mind controlled by Null, Tri confirmed that the Ganon in the second Encounter is different than the first one. Remember when Null struggled to consume the World because the Tri Sprites fixed everything? Why is Null suddenly capable of doing this? The answer might be simple: Ganon - his spirit got seperated from Yuga after Yuganon was destroyed. His essence was on its way to the Afterlife to rest until he gets resurected again and to return from Lorulebto Hyrule he was in the space between Dimensions - the same space in which Potentially Null lived. He then took the opportunity to take over Ganon - which was easy since he was mindless and even a mortal could control him mostly - and use his powers and his authority over Demons to capture the Tris and cause massive rifts
I really like how Null's whole gameplay side fits with it's lore too. As something bent on consuming everything it can not create anything new, only consume and attempt to replicate things that already exist. And with Null having consumed a lot Tri sprites, even that power to replicate was probably stolen too
For real, I wasn't expecting this kind of depths to the series' lore and after finishing the game, I can see no other ways to do this any better. Well done, Nintendo and Grezzo 👍
this actually makes hyrule's mythology have a surprisingly large amount in common with aztec mythology, since in aztec mythology as well there's a horrific eldritch creature with unending hunger who the main creator gods sealed inside the planet to stop it from consuming all life, which likewise had to be routed by the gods and their champions every millenia to keep it at bay
In my opinion, Null is not just a unique Zelda antagonist but the finale surrounding him is absolutely disturbing from a narrative, visual, and audible lens. 1. Narratively, as you pointed out, Null is a horrific creature akin to Cthulhu and other Lovecraftian beasts. The fact that Null is a primordial being with the desire to consume and destroy all reminds me of the words uttered by the moon during the finale of Majora's Mask: "I...I shall consume. Consume...Consume everything." Null seeks absolute destruction of all life and all material, with no bias toward anyone or any faction, which makes him even more terrifying in my opinion. 2. From a visual perspective, the brief description of the final dungeon explains half the picture to me. The dungeon is called "Null's Body" which immediately sets the tone for what we're dealing with here. This isn't a castle, or some physical place Null calls home. We infiltrate his actual body. The very texture of the dungeon is organic and creepy, but it's also a straight shot to the final boss fight, not a labyrinth. At one point during the final boss battle, Zelda chases Null in a 2D underwater segment, which to me feels like we're in Null's bloodstream of sorts. Chasing after his very core doing as much damage as possible while avoiding attacks and maintaining oxygen as we pursue him. 3. From an auditory perspective, the music is weird and creepy, with the final corridor leading to the battle having no music but the sound of a heartbeat, setting the stage for the intense and incredible finale to come.
This thing isn't even a demon. No this is a supreme being. This thing is so massive and so threatening that it couldn't even be fought directly. Zelda had to go inside it and kill it's heart. An ancient god of evil and destruction that predates existence. A primordial chaos.
Another thing I’d like to add is that there is a possibility that we didn’t completely kill Null, just put it into a coma. How exactly does one destroy a primordial being? Especially one that embodies the void?
@@Zerethos It's more like she only destroyed him on a physical level but the void itself exists still as an aspect. Destruction as a concept still will exist even if Null is dead. Null will probably revive in some capacity as well since destruction is an everlasting concept.
Nul isn't greedy, Nul is Gluttonous, it wants to go back to the good old days where it could just munch on whatever spawned in void. sure, from our perspective Nul is evil for wanting to eat the world, but from its perspective the three Goddesses are just as cruel for imprisoning it.
Exactly. I feel like Null was similar to Bellum in that regard. The main difference is that Bellum was more of a mindless monster while Null had more intelligence and has obviously a larger influence
I like the fact that we have both Majora and Null, who are many leagues higher than the main villain, who is supposed to be titled "The King of Evil." Ganon, man. You got to step up your game!
I don't think that Majora is above Ganon or Demise. Null yes, but not Majora. Though if Ganon has the Triforce, he can surpass both, we have seen that even Null cannot survive the full power of the sacred relic. And frankly, I can see Demise or Ganon with the Triforce/Secret Stone being able to pull of something similar to what Majora did with the moon. You have to take into account that Demise and Ganon usually want to conquer and rule, not destroy everything like Null and Majora, so the way they use their power would also differ. Remember that it took the Goddess Hylia herself to stop Demise when he was at full power, and even then Hylia nearly died attempting to seal him. We fight a Demise that has not yet been completely restored, he is still absorbing Zelda's spirit when we fight him, and Link is literally wielding a Sword with the blessing of four goddesses specifically made to kill him, while also being backed with the full Triforce (though it's unclear if the latter had any relevance on the fight in the past, it certainly was the only way reliable to get rid of Demise according to the Goddess and her plan).
Null can technically be beaten by anyone, Demise however has only vulnerability to the Element Holiness - which Null doesnt have as an Attribute. So basically even Demise would enjoy toying around with the nothingness as the Owner of the Anti-Master-Sword. Majora is definitely way beneath Ganon, he can Drag down a Moon of the size of a city, yet Majora can be killed with sticks and your small dagger that you stole from the Kokiri
@@Chris-gx1ei Null was truly beaten only by zelda using echoes (the power of the Tri and Null's direct antihesis), Link with the sword of might (forged from the shards that originate from the rifts themselves, which the rift creatures are weak to) and the power of the Triforce itself. I would not say that anyone could defeat it, ordinary weapons probably would not be effective at all. And Demise would not be able to toy with it so easily, we are talking about a being who was somewhat able to stand up to the Golden Goddesses. I think that in terms of raw power Null would be stronger. With that said, Demise at full power is likely stronger than Majora
The King of Evil is simply the king of "Evil" as it exists in the created world. More like a Satan who is stil part of the world, but not a primoardial LoveCraftian type of demon.
Depends on what angle you're approaching it from imo. From an overarching lore perspective and the merits they connote, Null on paper seems the more "impressive" by sheer agency of being a paragon of primordial chaos compared to the standard demon king trope. However, Ganondorf is not wholeheartedly, a run-of-the mill demon king, outside of the objective tyrannical world domination theme of course. The uniqueness in Ganondorf's existence as the primary antagonist is that he's interminable; endlessly bound to the axioms of an abstract conceptual substrate in Demise's hatred which transcends time. The Goddesses also endorse the nature of Ganondorf’s existence in relation to Link and Zelda by way of the balance of the Triforce, where his position as "the chosen bearer of the Triforce of Power" is stated from both in-universe and developer commentary to be through said balance ascribed by the Goddesses as a mandate to impose an equilibrium between good and evil with the trifecta cast. So Ganondorf is privileged because his prerogative as King of Evil is sanctioned by the Goddesses as the "rightful" chosen bearer of the Triforce of Power because of their mandate for balance. Comparing the significance behind that to Null is more grandiose because ultimately the tale of the tape is that Ganondorf has more agency in existing than Null does. Ganondorf has demonstrated that the concept of hatred alone and his own afflictions are enough for him to persist in an incorporeal state to cause havoc when his body is destroyed. We don't have much of a precedent for thinking Null has the same qualities outside of just assuming it can when it was destroyed. The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess also makes it convincingly clear that Ganondorf is the more formidable owner of the ToP when it comes to invunerabilities and resistances. The latter shows that a hefty amalgamation of divine power was necessary to defeat Ganondorf, and even then he was actively fending off attacks from them consistently: The Master Sword (imbued by the power of the Goddesses and Hylia to repel evil), the wound inflicted by the Sword of the Six Sages which is imbued with a holy luster according to Breath of the Wild, the light arrows crafted by the Light Spirits (the Light Spirits are stated in-game to use the power of the gods to metaphysically uphold the light in Hyrule), and the power of the Sols that augmented the Master Sword (the Sols are stated to uphold the Twilight Realm as well as being guardian deities). In the case of Null, the Might Sword is stated to be effective against rift monsters but it's not as significantly powerful as the Master Sword, nor were other measures needed to actually destroy Null's bodyーLink even fended off Null's pursuit on Zelda with a mere stick, which caused Null to briefly retreat until Link let his guard down for Null to imprison him when he was caught off guardーto the extent of what was necessary for Ganondorf in TP. All in all I get why Null would appear to be more powerful than Ganondorf in hindsight, but the more stern contours of the lore would suggest Ganondorf is technically the more powerful due to divine perogative.
This is a really good video, enjoyed this very much as I am a big fan of Null. In terms of lore definitely a much scarier and dangerous enemy to be facing as the final boss.
@@mickkelley3776 RetroGoosen-ux8ty: Lynel! MKDH: Loyal Darknut! mickkelley3776: Peahat! All 3: GO! ATTACK NULL'S ARMY AND WIPE OUT NULL'S LIFE POINTS! GAME BREAKER SPECTACULAR SPINNING TRIO ATTACK! (Null's army is wiped out and Null has his Life Points immediately reduced to 0.)) Null: GIVE YOUR LIFE POINTS TO ME! GIVE...YOUR LIFE POOINTSSSSS...TOO MMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! (disintegrates)
@@liblib620 Sucks that it costs six... "tri shards"? When you first encounter it. Not sure what the game calls the little magic triangles, so feel free to correct me.
I love how what's possibly one of Zelda's darker (yeah there's probably been worse, Zant is up there) villains comes from a game with such a cute little chibi artstyle
Zant didn't attempt omnicide. Zant is a small fry compared to Null. No villain was as threatening in scope compared to Null. The only villain that probably comes close is Majora but at most he'd destroy a planet. Not all existence.
@@warioland523 There's a difference between scale and how dark a character is Bad guys blows up planets in a lot of kids shows, but good luck depicting cannibalism in the 6pm tv slot
I'm not sure the Goddesses ONLY goal for creating the world was to contain Null, as they seem like good and holy deities, if somewhat unusual in their approach to solving problems (allowing mortals to tamper with the source code of reality via the Triforce, flooding Hyrule to stop Ganon instead of smiting him dead, etc.) I think what it means is that, while the purpose of the world is obviously the flourishing of sentient life and the natural/magical animals and spirits, this is only possible by sealing primordial Chaos/Null within this system. I think the world serves as Null's prison, but only in the sense that chaos must be kept at arm's length and only sourced occasionaly, while order is necessary for life on a fundamental level. (Also, I really like the theory that Null is the empty space in the center of the Triforce, kept in check by Power, Wisdom and Courage).
I don't think the flood was neccesarily the choice if just these three, Hyrule's Pantheon is full of deities, though none are more worshipped than the Creator Goddesses and the Patron Goddess
I kind of viewed it as somewhere in between. Since the goddesses mentioned the world was already trying to naturally form, but couldn't get a foothold on existence before Null just ate whatever popped up, they looked at that, took the world's side in the struggle, and created so much world so fast that Null couldn't get the upper hand and got sealed within it. A punishment for preventing the inevitable.
I'm so glad Echoes of Wisdom exists, even if it isn't the game for me, and it's always a pleasant surprise to see a non-Ganon(dorf) main antagonist in a zelda game
The trope of Hijacked by Ganon is when a returning villain is the true force behind a new villain. This is the reverse - a new villain being the force behind an old one.
@@JanusHoW In other words, we have an inversion. And not the first one on the Trope Namer himself at that. (Hi, There Will Be Brawl.) BTW, I'm guessing Null is going to be an easy keeper for Complete Monster with his omnicidal plot and his subjecting the likes of the Gerudos to some ugly manipulation? (Obviously, the 2 week rule for candidate discussion is a thing, but discussion should be fine here since involved spoilers are available anyway.)
I would like to see some of the other “Not Gannon” Zelda villains be dissected. One of my personal favorites is the villain of Phantom Hourglass. Bellum!
The final boss fight with Null, even when I watched a walkthrough, kept me glued to the screen. Nintendo tends to let Ganon(dorf) rest for a few years before starting to use him again so I imagine we won't see him for a while. Which works fine when we get more creative villains like Null, it's less fun when we have a discount Ganon like Malladus, even if it is cool seeing Link and Zelda work together against him. Writing on Null gives me more hope for the future.
Extreme tl:dr is Eberron is a D&D setting where a dragon god coiled itself around another, evil, dragon god, to contain it, and the world formed on its coiled up body. The influence from the evil one manifests on the surface in multiple ways, and also anyone digging too deep can lead to dire situations.
I saw a theory that Null is the progenitor of Demise/Ganon, but that would be impossible. Null can't create something new. He can only make dark echoes of things that already exist.
My theory on it is that Null and the demon tribe are progeny of the void, beings born from chaos and seek to multiply it, Null was simply the first and had the most power, and destroyed and absorbed the power of his kin, recently born. Only with the sealing of the void and Null, did one demon rise up and conquer time to become the demon king and rule the demon tribe, and broke out of the earth in a rift to conquer the surface of Hyrule. That was Demise. Null was isolated and sought no companions in his goal - he worked alone, which is why he attacks indiscriminately, he is a being so ancient, more so than any other demon and even Demise, they are all prospects to attempt to satiate his endless hunger.
For a small correction, he can't also creates echos, he stole the power from the tris, so i would be surprised that he could also stole the power of the goodness to blessed something and make into cursing someone transforming into the original demise.
Maybe... Still, I don't like that it interferes with my interpretation of Demise's geographical origin; that Din created the land by burying the demon realm alive.
It's interesting though that Demise and his demons are always depicted as coming from below the surface, and Null is depicted similarly. I Don't think they are directly related, in that Null created Demise, but life was said to be capable of forming in the void, and Null would just consume it. Maybe the Goddesses, Null, and Demise are examples of this spontaneous generation of life that was allowed to grow and mature before Null devoured it. Maybe in their attempt to seal Null they also inadvertently sealed Demise with him, or Null was weakened and was unable to consume Demise before he was able to grow and become strong enough to fend of Null's attempts to eat him. It's all just speculation, but I do believe that Demise definitely came from the void just like Null.
The way I think of Zant is more like a spoiled brat who has the right idea about the Twi people neglected magic but his pride get the better of him. And Ganondorf used him just as he had used his people -The Gerudo- to escape from the Twilight realm and conquering Hryule. Basically Zant is too stupid to realize it.
The moon in Majora's Mask's last and only like is "I will consume... Consume all!". Makes me wonder if Majora manifested some aspect of Null's power rather than building a moon all by itself.
Something similar might be with Malladus. Malladus is another Demonic Ruler Coexisting to Ganon during the time of Wind Waker, but with the goal of causing Total destructiom, Is it possible that Malladus is somehow connected to Null? Or is he just a Mindless Brute?
@@Chris-gx1ei I'm actually thinking that Malladus might actually just be a new form of Ganon, considering his train form has a similar face to Ganondorf and his final form is similar Dark Beast Ganon from Twilight Princess.
I think both are demons (as in the sense of beings from beyond the created world, not as monsters), so they probably manifest the same or a similar concept from the nothingness.
So Demise is wrath, an undying supernatural hatred that borne malice Vaati is envy, envying the power of Ezlo, his master and desiring to be a grand wizard I’d argue that Null isn’t greed, it’s gluttony. Literally consuming everything to the point of waste (of life) until nothing is left but itself- like the oroborous snake that kept eating until it ate its own tail Ganondorf through various forms are greed, though ganondorf is definitely more on the wrath side of things, but the king of evil more than anything desires others to subjugate under their rule
I’m a bit curious. I knew the Goddesses were aware of the threat Null poses, but didn’t expect that the creation of the world was a safeguard. We only got a mere fragment of the legend by the Great Deku Tree. They didn’t make everything and everyone without a purpose. Makes sense in a way, but they left behind so many safeguards on top of that for the safeguard. Hylia, the Triforce, the splitting of the Triforce, the Master Sword, etc. I have to wonder if every threat in the series was just really that much of a small fry compared to Null. He had no influence on them, yet was just a looming threat always in the background the sprites fought as everyone else fought their own immediate threat.
@acgearsandarms1343 True, and in SS it's forged in the flames of the golden trio, so if they don't even know it exists that'd be weird. Assuming the trio has knowledge of what came after they left, but that's a whole other discussion about omniscience and time.
Random theory time. I was wondering why the golden goddesses sealed Null instead of simply killing it, so here is my conclusion. The golden goddesses are gods of creation, they cannot directly destroy, only create, so they created a world full of creatures that could kill Null or at least give them time. Perhaps since Null is a creature of the void, he can only destroy, so he posed a threat to the golden goddesses. Maybe the golden goddesses are completely neutral beings, only helping the people of Hyrule so they can eliminate one of their greatest threats. Thoughts?
Considering Null’s appearance and goals, its similarities to Void from Star Allies makes me wonder if Null is Void of the Zelda series. After all, there should be a different Void in every universe. I could be wrong, but that is what I remember from the game (also Majora’s lore in relation to the Ancients of Termina, the name Void Termina and its appearance in Soul Melter Ex, and Hyness’s appearance + ancestors). Maybe Fat Brett should do a theory about it and whether it holds up or not.
@@MrScreffThe "Void exists in all dimensions" thing is solely talking about the Kirby game universe not any other game one lol so no. And Void and Null are nothing alike, Null actually thinks and has goals. Void is a being that has no thought, he can't do anything unless something influences him. He just floats about space until given form, he doesn't know right from wrong the game itself says as much. Void doesn't have any goals nor does his appearance look anything like Null's in this game
Not at all, what? Why are you people suddenly acting like Kirby is the only game series that can have you fight otherworldly god like beings? Kirby didn't invent that, by your logic 90% of video game villains to exist are Kirby villains.
I like the idea of video game villains that are Lovecraftian horrors. Their presence inevitably raises the stakes far more than a demon like Ganon. It also makes me wonder if Null could have anything to do with the other Zelda villains, like Majora, Vaati, or even Ganon/Demise. Perhaps all dark magic in the Zelda series is drawing upon Null's power in one fashion or another, even if such practitioners never realized it.
Null: Ah fine you win Zelda: Huh? Aren't you going to say "I'll be back!" Or "You don't see the last of me!" Type of stuff? Null: Ah who cares? I know when I'm beaten
imagine this from Null's perspective: -you're keeping your space clean -just the way you like it -these three golden [can't say that on a christian minecraft channel!] show up -decide they don't like the way you live your life -bury you in infinite dirt -worms in the dirt play out a story -it's kinda good -worms in the dirt play out a story -it's kinda good, kinda reminds you of the previous story -worms in the dirt play out a story -kinda reminds you of the previous stories -worms in the dirt play out a story -it's just the previous stories -repeat ad infinitum -still trying to clean all the while -golden [still can't say that on a christian minecraft channel!]'s littlest bugs make more dirt -decide to get sneaky about it -make your own worms -your worms wrap up the little bugs -your worms keep other worms busy with story -annoyingly sparkly worm teams up with bug -golden [still can't say that on a christian minecraft channel but this isn't a christian minecraft channel]'s favorite triangles come into play -it would be perfect for cleaning all this dirt -trick sparkly worm-bug duo into opening path to triangles -golden goddesses put three-factor authentication on the path -also imply that you're the worm that keeps trying to take the triangles -you lose -worms in the dirt play out a story -worm that looks like you tries to take the triangles
@@gabrielsullivan752 without the ability to understand those things either, and was imprisoned by outside beings simply for being what he was. Is he evil just because he's harmful to us?
When playing through the Echoes of Wisdom story, I liked how Three Golden Goddesses (Din, Nayru, and Farore) had not only create the land that has become known as Hyrule, and how the Goddess Hylia have watch over the Triforce as the define trio return to the heavens. But also a barrier that keeps Null at bay as he is a personification of the void or lack of existence. Null's introduction made him such an interesting villain. He is not tide to Demise's curse or different versions of Ganon/Ganondorf. But rather an evil entity who is a formidial foe to the creators of the Triforce, and he has been around since the dawn of time with a goal of turning everything into nothingness. In a way, Null is the arch nemesis to the Three Golden Goddesses as Demise is to Goddess Hylia and her Chosen hero. There is a bit similarities between Null and Calamity Ganon as both are very destructive forces of nature. But the difference is one is created to destroy Hyrule by Ganondorf in ordered to reshape the world back to it‘s original form and rekindle the fighting spirit Hyrule’s inhabitants lacked (as described in the Japanese Text). And the other, Null seeks to devour all worlds and tear reality apart (which makes ruling the kingdom of Hyrule through tyranny and conquest is like nothing but a child’s play).
Null's presence and its ability to make rifts in the earth and spawn monsters makes me wonder if the hole in the earth Demise and his cronies crawled out of was just a rift created by Null. And if so, would that make Null the greater scope villain of the whole Zelda franchise?
3:42 Okay then, I like your challenge. The game takes place long after Zelda 2. A few reason I think this. 1. Ganon is all but forgotten by the time of this game. it's obvious that this game takes place in Decline timeline so the only way I think it fits is it takes place hundreds of years after Ganon defeat in Zelda 1. After ganon's final death these rifts start showing up. The reason? Null took Ganon's soul and used it to break through his prison much more effectively causing the age of rifts in Hyrule. (Null had to interact with Ganon atleast once to make an echo of him) 2. In the Decline time line most of the races are gone from Hyrule except for the River Zora, who were driven mad by Ganon dark magic. A lot the the races show up in this game but have not interacted with Humanity that much (none of them even know who zelda is). Additionally, all the River Zora are bros now so their corruption is gone (probably because Ganon has been dead for centuries) In the credits it's shown the other race are interacting with the hyruleans again, implying that they will forge closer contacts now. I think putting it long after Zelda 2 fits pretty well
Personally I think it fits a bit better after FSA in the child timeline. Big Blue Boar Ganon would be a lot less well known there, as he only showed up once,and the name of the Triforce being lost there makes a bit more sense, as it's rarely, if ever mentioned by name in TP, despite playing a large role in that game. This is likely because most characters don't know about Link going back in time, and the triforce splitting because of it, leading to a lot of confusion. Contrast this with Downfall, where the Triforce has been consistently named, used, and kept track of from LttP through Zelda 2. All the races that appear in EoW appear in the child timeline, including River Zora in FSA, and Hyrule doesn't fall into nearly as hard of a decline there. I also think you might be overselling the degree of separation between the Hylians and the other races. Hyrule is a loose Confederation in most games, closer to the HRE than a unified kingdom. While the King is acknowledged as technically being in charge, in practice the other races mostly do their own thing with little oversight, Hyrule is at its most unified in OOT, but keep in mind that was directly after a civil war to reestablish control. In conclusion, I think Child Timeline works best, and this would even make FSA an important game, which is cool.
@candycornshrimp So does FSA, or at least a similar one. The geography isn't meant to indicate where on the timeline a game takes place. If that were the case, then it wouldn't be after Zelda 2, it'd be after LBW, and while that's not the most implausible placement, it's more consistent to place it after FSA or Zelda 2. Geography has never been very consistent in Zelda anyway. Hell, even in this game, they put death mountain above Kakariko, and Hebra where Death Mountain used to be, despite BOTW and TOTK saying they should be the other way around. And Zelda 2's geography is just all over the place. I dont think the geography should be the deciding factor here.
@candycornshrimp like I said, most of those same locations could be found within FSA, so it's just as possible those locations are from the child timeline.
@@person_guy3505 Also if the Four Sword fell into a rift that would explain how Null is able to create echoes of Ganon, whereas it would be difficult to find a time for him to encounter Ganon anywhere in the downfall timeline
I don't think Null has the power to create echoes - Null was wearing the corpse of a Tri that he had possessed. Echoes are the ability of the Tri - their ability to replicate things of the world and use it to patch Null's rifts. He can't create himself. He's just pure destruction.
When fighting Shadow Link or Dark Link not only brings back one of the most iconic villains in the Legend of Zelda series. It it gives some angst Zelink vibes when the player is facing him as Princess Zelda. If hurts that the hero of the Gods who risked his life to save his princess turned on her. But that’s not the REAL Link like all the imposters.
If Nintendo wanted to be really crazy, they'd make one of the normal protagonists the villain of the next game. Not even in the sense of TotK's shadow-puppet Zelda; instead just...one of the heroes becoming jaded, or misguided. Power, Wisdom, and Courage are all corruptible. It all depends on the wielders.
@@minakoarisato1506 See, I think the Lorule Triforce has a different tilt to it than the Hyrule Triforce, and Hilda was always meant for the Power piece. Ravio for the Wisdom piece, and the villain/Yuga for Courage. But we never really got to find out because by the time the Lorule Triforce existed again, Yuga was dead and Hilda and Ravio knew better than to fuck around with it.
@@tatltails3923I always thought the broken Lorule Triforce represented the opposites of Power, Wisdom & Courage: Weakness, Foolishness & Cowardice. Yuga was a weak Sorcerer at the beginning, as his bossfights really were not challenging at all (personally), but in exchange was smarter and got the strength through Power when fusing with Ganon. Hilda was foolish for trusting Yuga to think he would care for the world, and also shows a lack of understanding and good judgement (Not realizing what she is doing is worse than the wars they held, trusting Yuga), until she realized she was wrong and made the decision to do the right thing, even if it meant the end of Lorule. And Ravio was a coward, running away from the threat and living in Hyrule with Link. However, his cowardice proved useful when he just snatched all Dungeon Items and brought them in one place for Link to have access to. And in the end he did get courages by stepping inbetween Hilda and telling her how she was wrong and admitted being a coward. And thats why it would also make sense for their Triforce to return, since the qualities of Power, Wisdom and Courage have returned in this world through the wish, and that it would stay there with the existance of the three of them (Even with Yugas Death) But thats my view on it
Interesting! Null’s characterization seems *very* similar to that of Ungoliant, the nightmarish spider-like entity in J.R.R. Tolkien’s mythos-both are primordial beings whose origins are almost entirely unexplained and embody cosmic horror themes, and both are defined by their boundless, insatiable greed to devour all that exists-a trait that, in Ungoliant’s case at least, is passed on to her many giant spider children.
@@gideonjones8088 It was so nice to (spoilers) hear about them from the king when he heard the region names and talk to them and see the triforce split when someone unbalanced tried to use it.
Honestly Null reminds me a little of Tlaltecuhtli, an Aztec deity sometimes called the "earth monster". This beast devoured everything the gods created during creation, so the gods killed the beast and used its body to create the land. It also had to be sated with blood sacrifices to keep it from devouring the world.
I know the concept of a primordia Eldridge nightmare is nothing new but the fact that I was making my own Eldridge god before null and then I play this game and learn about him and his backstory which is almost one to one with mine is funny to me (the fact it was a legend of Zelda game to do it makes it even better)
There's a Zelda fanfiction RTS game called Hyrule Total War/Hyrule Conquest where Majora is what Null is. Majora was the foundation that Hyrule was built on and is trying to destroy the Triforce.
See, while playing I was totally willing to buy that Majora is connected to Null and places like Termina and the Twilight Realm were connected to rifts in some way.
Hyrule Conquest also gives Labrynna guns/tanks & makes the Gohma the Hyrulean equivalent of the Tyranids/Zerg. It truly is a wild & awesome experience! 😁
@@AAZ-yu5ss but it turns Hylia into a warmongering psycopathic false god and Ganon into a sympathetic villain just to show that Zelda herself is a fanatical religious fundamentalist. And turning Majora into a chessmaster behind everything when in Majora's Mask he is much more like a child throwing tantrums, playing a sadistic game and spreading misery with cruel random pranks than a scheming mastermind with a complex evil plan. Despite appreciating the effort that is put in Hyrule Conquest, I do have some issues with what they do with the lore and their idea of "moral grey".
@@mattiaboscherini4001 Yeah, there are definitely loads of stuff I don’t vibe with (Why did they do King Dorephan & Irene dirty like that!? 😭), but I do like some of the interesting ideas, such as the Darknut Legion & the Sheikah Cadre’s aesthetic.
Null is a very surprising addition to the lore of the franchise to be sure but a very welcome one. I wish there were more high tier big bads besides Ganon, would certainly make each new game more interesting because we would always speculate on who would return the next time.
An interesting detail about the rifts is that they could be used to explain why Hyrule constantly changes between each game. Its stated that things fade away the longer they're in a rift, so it stands to reason that when the Tris restore them, they are creating very slightly imperfect copies of what was initially consumed. Over long periods of time, this would mean the world slowly changes.
Great video. Just a couple of thoughts that differed: 1. I'd argue that Ganon does have the overlapping intention of "destroying the world" in some of the games. Particularly in BOTW, as a few characters (e.g. the Yiga Clan) mention it. I know you later did mention Calamity Ganon as being similar, but I think it's worth mentioning that the phrases like "destroying" and "ending" the world are also used with Ganon. Again though, this changes from game to game. 2. I don't think that Null would necessarily have had to defeat/kill Ganon, as the other characters it had created echoes of were alive concurrently with the originals. I'd say the implication is that Null had come into contact with Ganon (or is perhaps related to Ganon in some way), but anything more than that doesn't seem required based on what the game depicts with other Null echoes. Again, great video :) thanks for the continued cool content!
I think Zelda and Link are the only time we see Null produce Echoes of people without needing them to be frozen in the Rifts first. But they'd got special destiny powers that Ganon very *possibly* shares. So in that circumstance, Ganon might be wandering around sonewhere if Null didn't kill him. But! If Ganon dud wind up frozen in the Rifts... If the Tri looked at Ganon and did not think "nope!" when bringing stuff back from the Rifts, Ganon could be back in Hyrule after the game. If they took a look at Ganon and voted to never bring him back after seeing what his Echo was like; That could be the end of him if nobody in the future frees him or somehow revives him later. Same goes for all the Bosses. Most of them might already have ceased to exist since we have no idea how long it's been since Null had captured his first bunch of Tri. And the most wild option for Ganon is that he's just flat out gone after getting Rifted. We have no idea when Null got his Echo. And no idea how long he could've been in there. Maybe if someone found a way to recreate or revive him anyway...
Ganon has rarely ever wanted to destroy the world. Mainly because he wants to rule the world and be feared. The only times where he ever wants to destroy the world is when he completely loses his mind (like in BOTW and the Oracle games), he's about to die anyways so might as well drag everyone to Hell with him, or he plans to remake the world in his own image. In any case, Ganon's endgame needs to have a world to rule over. Null is a true eldritch abomination in that there is no possible way to survive it. With Ganon, you can at least hope to be a survivor and get a job under his rule. With Null, it's game over.
I really like how we seem to get two different perspectives on what Null's motivation is. The goddesses tell us he is hungry and wants to consume everything, which is a reasonable assumption when he spawn camps every entity that is spontaneously generated in the void. But hearing Null's side of things, it sounds like he just hates being bothered by the existence of other things. Depending on exactly what part of it bothers him, sealing him into a sensory deprivation pocket dimension might actually satisfy him. I think part of his plan with the Triforce wish was not simply to consume what currently is, but to prevent new stuff from spawning at all, to have eternal peace and quiet. As a bit of an aside, this worldbuilding implies that the goddesses must have formed in that same void, and then survived and escaped for long enough to evolve and develop to the point where they could do something about him. So a bit of extreme cosmic darwinism.
Creation shouldn't have existed, only I should have existed, all those things that were created are just disgusting matter, that's why I devoured the world of nothingness in my house and I am nothing, if there is creation then there is nothing left there it's something and I can't allow it
The world being a prison for a dark god is absolutely something H.P. lovecraft would write. Everything you love and care for the earth you live on is nothing but a wall to stop a universal apocalypse from happening.
New villains in Zelda games are always nice. I'm also tired of Ganon/dorf always popping up. At this point I would be happy if they reused Majora or Vaati, maybe even make Cia canon and use her.
Perhaps it could be said that the Tris are an inverted version of Null instead of the other way around, given that they only came into existence long after Null did.
The idea that the blank triangle in the center of the Triforce being surrounded by the Triforce pieces… did Nintendo confirm and clarify the Tetraforce theory, not by the fourth bit being an inverse like the Shadow Realm, but instead literally nothing? The absence of anything existing, consumed until there’s nothing but emptiness? Honestly, I love that, and it feels a lot more creative than it just being evil shadow stuff.
The TetraForce theory came from the Hylian Shield's fourth triangle that got removed in the subsequent game but it's good that they basically finally explained the empty space in the center of it.
3:29 this actually makes perfect sense. These "rifts" may have been appearing in Hyrule in other Zelda games, even as far back in the timeline as Skyward Sword, but we just never really had any reason (until now) to believe they were anything other than bottomless pits. What was the main obstacle you had to overcome to get to Skyview temple in the deepest section of Faron Woods in Skyward Sword? A *giant bottomless chasm* that seemed to have swallowed up that entire area!
There's also the idea that Null could have won once. As in, maybe there was another world/universe before the one the Golden Goddesses made but Null devoured it, then when it did the Goddesses stepped in.
Something that I noticed is that in the Goddesses' exposition cutscene, Null just looks like a swirling cloud. But when we first see its true body, it's a solid mass. I wonder if the reason it solidified is because it started consuming tris, maybe the echoes they all had memorized slowly started adding up, influencing Null's body and provided it with structure and dna from many different creatures. Or maybe the structure of the body is made of actual tris, based on how their faces are all over it inside.
Null is interesting. They aren't evil necessarily. They act like a child throwing a tantrum after being grounded for doing something they genuinely didn't think was anything bad.
Great video. Another villain I think you’d have a blast breaking down would be DR Nafarious from Ratchet and clank series. He’s a fun mustache twirling villain that everybody loves
2:26 I mean you say that but before TotK Ganondorf hadn't been the villain of a Zelda game since Twilight Princess lol. I'd say it was a breath of fresh air to finally see him return after so long. Also Null's echoes being echoes with a mind of their own isn't inconsistent. It's clear that they are dark slaves of Null carrying out his will, they have as much of a mind of their own as Zelda's own echoes do. At most, the dark Ganon and later Zelda echoes seem closer to puppet avatars of Null while still having minds of their own. Though ofc they're devoted to carrying out his will.
2:19 FatBrett: “This is the very first completely new Zelda since the Lady in Triforce Heroes…” Master Kooga: “Am I and my Yiga Clan is a joke to you? You owe us a lot of bananas!”
There was a point in the game where I realized this is basically the same overarching narrative battle at play in the webcomic Order Of The Stick. The gods came into conflict over how they ran the word, and their arguments gave birth to a mo strous being of unmaking called the Snarl. In desperation, the gods that sirvived its i itial attack crafted a new world around it, using order to contain chaos. The twist comes when you learn that the world the heroes inhabit is not the first. Or the second. Ot even the hundreth. The gods have made COUNTLESS worlds to contain the Snarl, and every time it escapes and unmakes their latest creation. No afterlife, no heaven or hell, just nothing left. Null is THAT kind of villain. And that makes him VERY frightening in a universe that, up to now, has been dealong with one dark god manofesting over and over.
Now THAT would be a great timeline theory. Every time we need a new timeline it's just Null devouring the world and the goddesses rebuilding Hyrule from scratch in an endless struggle to contain it.
I think the next incarnation of Ganondorf should be a good guy. Give him some way of realizing he's not his own man, but rather the product of a curse, and have him rebel against it.
Null has the biggest Ego ever. He wants nothing besides himself. And the Void, but this is also nothing. Note: I think his Motto would be "I get you all!"
I honestly can't wait to see you make a video about Zant, still so far my favorite villain of the Zelda series. I am sure some other people have thought of this before, but I'd like to believe that Zant's final moments of defying Ganondorf's desperate grab for power to keep himself alive was the catalyst for Calamity Ganon. As the great 'Demon King' wasn't truly beaten by his eternal rival, but by an outside force that may have caused ripples of change as this external interference may have affected the cycle of reincarnation.
Null is really interesting. It shares similarities with The End in Sonic Frontiers. I like how The End describes everything as finite but itself as infinite and being the definition of literal "nothingness". The End wants to return everything to nothing and order and claimed it already destroyed countless worlds and lives. We see The End as a moon because according to Japanese mythology, the moon is how humanity sees death. So in that case Sage and Sonic see The End as something different we can't know. The Ancients created a whole world between dimensions to contain The End. The End also was the first ever villain in the Sonic franchise where the regular Super form wasn't powerful enough anymore to fight against the bad.
I know you mentioned Zant and Ghirahim, but have you played A Link Between Worlds? Some of the Zelda games' finest heroes and most relatable villains are found in that game.
Seeing this title pop up in my recommended, I thought it was about season 2 of The Unsleeping City. The more I watch this video, the more it seems these two Nulls are very similar, it is very, very interesting.
If you love Lovecraftian horror themed villains, you should definitely do a deconstruction video on Praya Dubia, the overarching antagonist of Another Crab's Treasure. The other villains (Rolland, Inkerton, and Firth) are pretty good, too. And don't let the charming, stylized look of this game fool you. It gets really dark, especially in the final chapter. 🐚
Hmm, idea. A zelda game where ganondorf starts as a friend but learns that this is causing the ancient curse to run rampant over hyrule, in the end sacrifising hinself and becoming Ganon so thag his friends can defeat him and bring peace back to the kingdoms
Both have names pronounced as Null. Both came from the primordial void before time Both desire for the universe to only be themself (Null through eating it, Knull through possessing everything with Symbiotes).
The whole concept of Null and the lore implications he has on the Zelda franchise probably makes him one of, if not the scariest thing in the whole franchise
As for when Null is speaking through the imposters U think it’s a case by case scenario. For the most part they’re autonomous puppets following commands. Thus the line spoken by the King imposter. But Null can also assume direct control, thus the times like Imposter Zelda speaking as if she is Null.
I think Null's last words being "Give it to me" just emphasise how he only operates on the instinct of greed, rather than having more complex intentions like Ganondorf, Zant etc.
Null's acts like an instinctinual animal at the end of the day, it would make sense it's last thought would be of mere survival than something equivalent to Denise's curse.
Also to be a reminder that Ganondorf is a greedy bastard, it wasn't enough for just bein' the king of the gerudo, he wanted all the land and he never let it go, because he is just as greedy as his predecessor Demise, The Herald of the Death.
Oh, they gave it to him, alright 😂
@@jackryan5880Never mess with Denise. She is a crazy bitch. 😂
They are the Darkness, the Unknowing. Greed, Gluttony, Unactualized.
I find it very interesting that Null's first form takes the shape of a corrupted Tri.
Perhaps that shape is what the mind of a person in the Zelda franchise defaults to when it beholds what is essentially a living concept that isn't specifically using a form of its own choice. Tri and his kind, whose only purpose is to mend rifts, never bothered to choose their own shapes, and thus they appear as we see them when they are beheld by mortals.
I think it makes *more* sense that he sucks at manipulation. he's a primordial monster and everything more complicated than "nothing" was made as a prison to contain him. that means that the more complicated something is, the harder it is for him to conceive. sure he can understand rocks and blobs of goo with skins on them, but actual thought? friendship? impossible. even his echoes operate on a very base state that can't manipulate on anything more than greed and fear, the two most primordial instincts
Yet Null was able to make an Echo of one of the Gerudos to manipulate their soldiers into fighting Null's infinite mooks.
Null understands things like friendship, in the same sense that sociopaths do.
@@MasterKnightDH It felt to me like the more independent an Echo was, the smarter they were. That is, those Echoes that Null used as hand-puppet, by virtue of being hand-puppet, could only be as smart as Null was, while the more independent Echoes, such as Facette's, could actually make full use of their original's smarts.
It doesn't even have to be complexity, per se, that eludes Null's understanding. It's sociality. Null was alone in the infinite darkness for who-knows-how-many eons before the world's creation, never having to develop much emotion beyond hunger, or to conceptualize any other perspective but its own. Then the goddesses, the Tri, and life itself all commenced working to keep it constrained against its will, and it learned resentment for their interference with its absolute solitary autonomy. Now it retaliates by stoking similar feelings of resentment in others, via its puppets, yet it continually fails to take mortal beings' wide range of better emotions into account.
this probably also illustrates the opposites between Tri and Null. Tri can learn human emotions, Null does not.
This game tells us what the triforce literally represents: The three golden triangles surrounding a 4th empty one is the literal depiction of the three golden goddesses imprisoning away Null with the creation of the world.
@jackryan5880 Nintendo have confirmed before there isn't a 4th piece of the triforce specifically, so this is actually a nice head-cannon that I'll go with, thanks 👍
@@Vincent-in1uc Yea and Lorule doesnt exist either I guess.
Lets be real, all of Zelda that exists from here on out is just fanfiction anyhow.
I remember theory videos on this years ago.
I wonder if Nintendo actually had this idea or if they took it from the TH-camrs
@@GikamesShadow:Lorule is just another version of Hyrule. For all anyone knows, either it has its own version of Null, Null exists only specifically in the main timeline, or Null transcends universes like how the Goddesses are insinuated to do.
@GikamesShadow how convenient, then, that I can and will use fanfiction to tie all these games together to my liking.
I like the implication that _this_ Link is mute because of the rifts this time around, rather than just choosing to stay silent like the Link in Botw... Really gives them that individuality, as if the reason for their silence is different for every reincarnation, but always a constant.
BotW link isn't mute he's laconic. he can and does speak but not very much and he doesn't have a proper voice actor, this is actually true for most links. a thing that happens with a lot of "silent protagonists" is that they do in fact speak they just don't have dialogue boxes or voice acting.
@@genisisbeing I didn't say that Botw Link was mute. I said _Echoes of Wisdom Link_ was mute.
@@genisisbeing Actually, BotW Link is described to seemingly have a form of selective mutism, at least in his pre-Calamity life. His intense anxiety about being the Hero causes him to stop speaking in nearly all situations, which yes could be read as purely conscious choice but could equally be read as not fully in his control. Like, even his close friends have a hard time getting any speech out of him by the time he's appointed as Zelda's guard, and it takes a lot of time and trust built from Zelda for him to speak directly to her. The writers very intentionally wrote that him not speaking often was an in-universe trait his character had, so I think there's a bit more to it for him than most of the other, strictly laconic, Links. (my favorite of which being TP Link because you can see his mouth moving as he talks to people in some cutscenes.)
Just finished last night, and there's a moment at the end when Link and Zelda have returned to Castle Town after defeating Null where you see him talking, just like anyone else. So it's consistent.
@@jbradleymusic That's because he (along with the other kids caught in the rifts) were cured after defeating Null. He couldn't prior to that.
The jump from “Gerudo King that wants to rule the entire world as dictated by the Zelda version of Satan” to “Lovecraftian embodiment of the emptiness that exists where neither matter nor antimatter is present, a being of void that wants nothing more than to consume all of reality itself and plunge the universe not into eternal darkness, but eternal nonexistence” was not the jump i was expecting zelda to make but one that i have to say they pulled off very well.
null is literally a kirby final boss lol
@@Billigoat21 FR tho 😂
And this is the kind of stuff I want to see more in the series, even beyond Majora's Mask, Bellum and Malladus.
I was just thinking this earlier. Very Majora-like in that it just wants to consume everything. Majora is more deity-like though, so Null being an enigmatic cosmic force of destruction makes it a bit more terrifying.
@@Billigoat21 when I first so him Iw as thinking "oh Void Termina is that you?"
For the question posed about whether Null's echoes have wills of their own or are being puppeted by it, I think it's actual both at once. It seems that when Null creates echoes, it does so by almost fracturing pieces of itself off. Null seems to have only gained the power to make echoes by literally consuming the tri. The Tri in the rifts have been collected into concentrated masses and are usually at the core of the dungeon bosses. It seems to me that the only way Null's even figured out how to make echoes is by splitting itself like a cell into multiple tiny pieces, containing tris. So its echoes are at once, separate entities and also pieces of Null. They posses fragments of Null's consciousness and will speak as Null, but also recognize that they are not the Prime Null, in a sense. Null becomes a sort of Hive mind, able to be one and many at the same time.
The tri is the powerhouse of the cell
Godesses want to keep messing with their little sandbox called hyrule, with the endless cycle of destruction and rebirth. They enjoy seeing hyrule rise, burn then have a little trio of the same actors do the same dance number over and over.
Null want to eat the sandbox.
I deeply relate with Null and his sandbox munching shenanigans
I rather doubt this was the Intention of the Goddesses.
They think it was unfair that null errases everything that tries to exist.
So they create too much for Null to errase and leave the World for anyone who wants to exist.
And the Triforce they left behind with the Intention to be used by Mortals to also have their wishes fulfilled - probably they didnt think it fully through.
Because while the Devourer of the Worlds is Captive, they didnt expect a Ruler of Hell to rise.
That's why they left the Triforce in the Care of Hylia.
This is a pretty shit tier interpretation. The Goddesses were stopping a being that devoured anything that came into existence, they gave existence a chance to thrive.
Demise created the cyclical, eternal fued between the hero, goddess and his hatred, not the Goddesses.
Demise is mainly responsible for making existence harder for the people of the world and the world wouldn't exist if Null wasn't stopped.
*tips fedora*
While Hylia and Demise operate on the Good vs Evil axis… the Golden Goddesses and Null operate on the Existence (proliferation of life) vs Non-Existence (consumption of life) axis. I would add that looking at the lore as a whole, the creation of the world would be not just to contain Null, but also to uphold goodness in living beings, as Hylia’s creation suggests.
Null is Satan. It exists to destroy what is created by the gods. It is the true devil of the Zelda franchise. This thing is a god of evil on a supreme level. It really makes one think how powerful Zelda really is if she was able to destroy something like this.
And Link.
@@warioland523Non existence is only evil in the sense it is a threat to our life, but doesn't really go beyond that. Demise is more like the Satan figure. Null only destroys because that's its nature. Demise/Ganon destroys because he actively hates, he has desire and motivation. Satan was not born the way he acts, its not in his mature to destroy. He chooses to.
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I would say Null is operating on his purpose as a god of destruction but the thing is he he displays sadism as well as levels of deceit showing he knows what he's doing but he doesn't care nor have any regard for the life he's endangering. Null is evil because he just wants to kill not out of obligation but because he's obsessed with the power of the Triforce and wants to absorb everything and destroy it. He probably could have stopped at any time but he didn't. Also the fact that he also displays thirst for revenge against his counterparts the Golden Goddesses shows that he has clear personality.
I think Null would’ve been a lot more compelling if instead of wanting to be the only thing that existed, that Null was inexistence itself personified.
From this Null’s perspective, it would be trying to rescue the discordant mutated shards of itself back to an existence of peaceful and unconflicting unity, like the void watchers’ goal from League of legends except as one entity, as the personification of inexistence.
I think then it would act as a really good foil to Zelda’s overworld, where the inhabitants want to exist despite suffering, despite separation and never being able to truly understand what it’s like to *be* one another, despite identity dividing and limiting and despite the overstimulating, overwhelming ‘noise’ of life versus eternal unity and tranquillity with an unconsciously sentient matter.
It would’ve been a lot more compelling with a villain actively destroying the world out of compassion and attempted soothing, like a misguided morbid lullaby. This would also give Zelda the chance to show it why the chaos of existence is beautiful and worth having over endless peace and unity.
I just had a thought now that Null's existence is canon. What if the demon tribes invaded the surface not entirely because of a desire for conquest. They could've been fleeing from the deep subterranean rifts that the entity tore open. And the reason Ganon was one of the dark echoes is because Null ate the sealed king of evil during it's feedings.
Even Worse:
Ganon was probably even mind controlled by Null, Tri confirmed that the Ganon in the second Encounter is different than the first one.
Remember when Null struggled to consume the World because the Tri Sprites fixed everything?
Why is Null suddenly capable of doing this?
The answer might be simple:
Ganon - his spirit got seperated from Yuga after Yuganon was destroyed.
His essence was on its way to the Afterlife to rest until he gets resurected again and to return from Lorulebto Hyrule he was in the space between Dimensions - the same space in which Potentially Null lived.
He then took the opportunity to take over Ganon - which was easy since he was mindless and even a mortal could control him mostly - and use his powers and his authority over Demons to capture the Tris and cause massive rifts
@@Chris-gx1ei that’s actually not a bad idea. I’ll be using that for my theories until I hear otherwise
I really like how Null's whole gameplay side fits with it's lore too. As something bent on consuming everything it can not create anything new, only consume and attempt to replicate things that already exist. And with Null having consumed a lot Tri sprites, even that power to replicate was probably stolen too
The Creation of the World story is what makes this Zelda game so DAMN rich ever since Hylia’s struggle against Demise in Skyward Sword.
For real, I wasn't expecting this kind of depths to the series' lore and after finishing the game, I can see no other ways to do this any better. Well done, Nintendo and Grezzo 👍
this actually makes hyrule's mythology have a surprisingly large amount in common with aztec mythology, since in aztec mythology as well there's a horrific eldritch creature with unending hunger who the main creator gods sealed inside the planet to stop it from consuming all life, which likewise had to be routed by the gods and their champions every millenia to keep it at bay
I AM SO PLEASED TO SEE THIS COMMENT BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I THOUGHT OF WHEN I SAW THE SEQUENCE DESCRIBING NULLS LORE!!!! 🎉
In my opinion, Null is not just a unique Zelda antagonist but the finale surrounding him is absolutely disturbing from a narrative, visual, and audible lens.
1. Narratively, as you pointed out, Null is a horrific creature akin to Cthulhu and other Lovecraftian beasts. The fact that Null is a primordial being with the desire to consume and destroy all reminds me of the words uttered by the moon during the finale of Majora's Mask: "I...I shall consume. Consume...Consume everything." Null seeks absolute destruction of all life and all material, with no bias toward anyone or any faction, which makes him even more terrifying in my opinion.
2. From a visual perspective, the brief description of the final dungeon explains half the picture to me. The dungeon is called "Null's Body" which immediately sets the tone for what we're dealing with here. This isn't a castle, or some physical place Null calls home. We infiltrate his actual body. The very texture of the dungeon is organic and creepy, but it's also a straight shot to the final boss fight, not a labyrinth. At one point during the final boss battle, Zelda chases Null in a 2D underwater segment, which to me feels like we're in Null's bloodstream of sorts. Chasing after his very core doing as much damage as possible while avoiding attacks and maintaining oxygen as we pursue him.
3. From an auditory perspective, the music is weird and creepy, with the final corridor leading to the battle having no music but the sound of a heartbeat, setting the stage for the intense and incredible finale to come.
Reminds me of void termina from kirby
Reminds me of Giygas from Earthbound
This thing isn't even a demon. No this is a supreme being. This thing is so massive and so threatening that it couldn't even be fought directly. Zelda had to go inside it and kill it's heart. An ancient god of evil and destruction that predates existence. A primordial chaos.
Another thing I’d like to add is that there is a possibility that we didn’t completely kill Null, just put it into a coma. How exactly does one destroy a primordial being? Especially one that embodies the void?
@@Zerethos
It's more like she only destroyed him on a physical level but the void itself exists still as an aspect. Destruction as a concept still will exist even if Null is dead. Null will probably revive in some capacity as well since destruction is an everlasting concept.
Nul isn't greedy, Nul is Gluttonous, it wants to go back to the good old days where it could just munch on whatever spawned in void. sure, from our perspective Nul is evil for wanting to eat the world, but from its perspective the three Goddesses are just as cruel for imprisoning it.
Exactly. I feel like Null was similar to Bellum in that regard. The main difference is that Bellum was more of a mindless monster while Null had more intelligence and has obviously a larger influence
Wanting to destroy all life because you're hungry is evil, hope this helped
@@ArrakisHeir88 i mean gluttony is considered a deadly sin for a reason
@@catdust right. I'm not sure why you included "from our perspective"
No, it's from literally every perspective, that's how you know it's evil
@@ArrakisHeir88 have you ever heard the phrase "you are only the villain from someone else's perspective"
I like the fact that we have both Majora and Null, who are many leagues higher than the main villain, who is supposed to be titled "The King of Evil." Ganon, man. You got to step up your game!
I don't think that Majora is above Ganon or Demise. Null yes, but not Majora. Though if Ganon has the Triforce, he can surpass both, we have seen that even Null cannot survive the full power of the sacred relic. And frankly, I can see Demise or Ganon with the Triforce/Secret Stone being able to pull of something similar to what Majora did with the moon. You have to take into account that Demise and Ganon usually want to conquer and rule, not destroy everything like Null and Majora, so the way they use their power would also differ. Remember that it took the Goddess Hylia herself to stop Demise when he was at full power, and even then Hylia nearly died attempting to seal him. We fight a Demise that has not yet been completely restored, he is still absorbing Zelda's spirit when we fight him, and Link is literally wielding a Sword with the blessing of four goddesses specifically made to kill him, while also being backed with the full Triforce (though it's unclear if the latter had any relevance on the fight in the past, it certainly was the only way reliable to get rid of Demise according to the Goddess and her plan).
Null can technically be beaten by anyone, Demise however has only vulnerability to the Element Holiness - which Null doesnt have as an Attribute.
So basically even Demise would enjoy toying around with the nothingness as the Owner of the Anti-Master-Sword.
Majora is definitely way beneath Ganon, he can Drag down a Moon of the size of a city, yet Majora can be killed with sticks and your small dagger that you stole from the Kokiri
@@Chris-gx1ei Null was truly beaten only by zelda using echoes (the power of the Tri and Null's direct antihesis), Link with the sword of might (forged from the shards that originate from the rifts themselves, which the rift creatures are weak to) and the power of the Triforce itself. I would not say that anyone could defeat it, ordinary weapons probably would not be effective at all. And Demise would not be able to toy with it so easily, we are talking about a being who was somewhat able to stand up to the Golden Goddesses. I think that in terms of raw power Null would be stronger.
With that said, Demise at full power is likely stronger than Majora
The King of Evil is simply the king of "Evil" as it exists in the created world. More like a Satan who is stil part of the world, but not a primoardial LoveCraftian type of demon.
Depends on what angle you're approaching it from imo. From an overarching lore perspective and the merits they connote, Null on paper seems the more "impressive" by sheer agency of being a paragon of primordial chaos compared to the standard demon king trope. However, Ganondorf is not wholeheartedly, a run-of-the mill demon king, outside of the objective tyrannical world domination theme of course.
The uniqueness in Ganondorf's existence as the primary antagonist is that he's interminable; endlessly bound to the axioms of an abstract conceptual substrate in Demise's hatred which transcends time. The Goddesses also endorse the nature of Ganondorf’s existence in relation to Link and Zelda by way of the balance of the Triforce, where his position as "the chosen bearer of the Triforce of Power" is stated from both in-universe and developer commentary to be through said balance ascribed by the Goddesses as a mandate to impose an equilibrium between good and evil with the trifecta cast.
So Ganondorf is privileged because his prerogative as King of Evil is sanctioned by the Goddesses as the "rightful" chosen bearer of the Triforce of Power because of their mandate for balance.
Comparing the significance behind that to Null is more grandiose because ultimately the tale of the tape is that Ganondorf has more agency in existing than Null does. Ganondorf has demonstrated that the concept of hatred alone and his own afflictions are enough for him to persist in an incorporeal state to cause havoc when his body is destroyed. We don't have much of a precedent for thinking Null has the same qualities outside of just assuming it can when it was destroyed.
The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess also makes it convincingly clear that Ganondorf is the more formidable owner of the ToP when it comes to invunerabilities and resistances. The latter shows that a hefty amalgamation of divine power was necessary to defeat Ganondorf, and even then he was actively fending off attacks from them consistently: The Master Sword (imbued by the power of the Goddesses and Hylia to repel evil), the wound inflicted by the Sword of the Six Sages which is imbued with a holy luster according to Breath of the Wild, the light arrows crafted by the Light Spirits (the Light Spirits are stated in-game to use the power of the gods to metaphysically uphold the light in Hyrule), and the power of the Sols that augmented the Master Sword (the Sols are stated to uphold the Twilight Realm as well as being guardian deities).
In the case of Null, the Might Sword is stated to be effective against rift monsters but it's not as significantly powerful as the Master Sword, nor were other measures needed to actually destroy Null's bodyーLink even fended off Null's pursuit on Zelda with a mere stick, which caused Null to briefly retreat until Link let his guard down for Null to imprison him when he was caught off guardーto the extent of what was necessary for Ganondorf in TP.
All in all I get why Null would appear to be more powerful than Ganondorf in hindsight, but the more stern contours of the lore would suggest Ganondorf is technically the more powerful due to divine perogative.
This is a really good video, enjoyed this very much as I am a big fan of Null. In terms of lore definitely a much scarier and dangerous enemy to be facing as the final boss.
Null: I have an army.
Zelda: We have a Lynel!
I go with Level 3 Darknut.
I summon a Peahat in attack position!
@@mickkelley3776 RetroGoosen-ux8ty: Lynel!
MKDH: Loyal Darknut!
mickkelley3776: Peahat!
All 3: GO! ATTACK NULL'S ARMY AND WIPE OUT NULL'S LIFE POINTS! GAME BREAKER SPECTACULAR SPINNING TRIO ATTACK!
(Null's army is wiped out and Null has his Life Points immediately reduced to 0.))
Null: GIVE YOUR LIFE POINTS TO ME! GIVE...YOUR LIFE POOINTSSSSS...TOO MMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! (disintegrates)
Lynel was actuall OP. There's nothing more insane than saying that I beat the final boss of a Zelda game with nothing but Link and a lynel.
@@liblib620 Sucks that it costs six... "tri shards"? When you first encounter it. Not sure what the game calls the little magic triangles, so feel free to correct me.
I love how what's possibly one of Zelda's darker (yeah there's probably been worse, Zant is up there) villains comes from a game with such a cute little chibi artstyle
I also find it cool that the only times Link and Zelda went to more or less actual Zelda hell are in the games with cutesy art styles
Zant didn't attempt omnicide. Zant is a small fry compared to Null. No villain was as threatening in scope compared to Null. The only villain that probably comes close is Majora but at most he'd destroy a planet. Not all existence.
@@warioland523 There's a difference between scale and how dark a character is
Bad guys blows up planets in a lot of kids shows, but good luck depicting cannibalism in the 6pm tv slot
The cartoony Zelda games are always secretly the darkest. Wind Waker is fuckin _bleak_ if you actually think about the implications, man.
I'm not sure the Goddesses ONLY goal for creating the world was to contain Null, as they seem like good and holy deities, if somewhat unusual in their approach to solving problems (allowing mortals to tamper with the source code of reality via the Triforce, flooding Hyrule to stop Ganon instead of smiting him dead, etc.) I think what it means is that, while the purpose of the world is obviously the flourishing of sentient life and the natural/magical animals and spirits, this is only possible by sealing primordial Chaos/Null within this system. I think the world serves as Null's prison, but only in the sense that chaos must be kept at arm's length and only sourced occasionaly, while order is necessary for life on a fundamental level. (Also, I really like the theory that Null is the empty space in the center of the Triforce, kept in check by Power, Wisdom and Courage).
I don't think the flood was neccesarily the choice if just these three, Hyrule's Pantheon is full of deities, though none are more worshipped than the Creator Goddesses and the Patron Goddess
I kind of viewed it as somewhere in between. Since the goddesses mentioned the world was already trying to naturally form, but couldn't get a foothold on existence before Null just ate whatever popped up, they looked at that, took the world's side in the struggle, and created so much world so fast that Null couldn't get the upper hand and got sealed within it. A punishment for preventing the inevitable.
I'm so glad Echoes of Wisdom exists, even if it isn't the game for me, and it's always a pleasant surprise to see a non-Ganon(dorf) main antagonist in a zelda game
It was a GOOD fake-out, too. The first time Null appeared I was so genuinely surprised and caught of guard. I loved it.
Quite a bold idea to make a villain that’s just a wild animal. No thoughts, head empty, just c o n s u m e .
Wild animal? Try virus lol!
The absolute balls of Null to employ Hijacked by Ganon... ON GANON!
Oh ganon would be PISSED if he ever found out about this!
Ganon: You DARE bringing plot hijacking to my lair? YOU MUST DIE!
Yuga did it first.
The trope of Hijacked by Ganon is when a returning villain is the true force behind a new villain. This is the reverse - a new villain being the force behind an old one.
@@JanusHoW In other words, we have an inversion. And not the first one on the Trope Namer himself at that. (Hi, There Will Be Brawl.)
BTW, I'm guessing Null is going to be an easy keeper for Complete Monster with his omnicidal plot and his subjecting the likes of the Gerudos to some ugly manipulation? (Obviously, the 2 week rule for candidate discussion is a thing, but discussion should be fine here since involved spoilers are available anyway.)
Im really happy Nintendo is going for this type of Zelda villain again. The last one that sticks out in my mind that's similar to Null is Majora
There's Bellum, but he's horribly boring tbf.
@@quillion3rdoption yeahh lol
Null's lair is horrific. Imagine being so miniscule to something, that its very _DNA_ towers over you.
I would like to see some of the other “Not Gannon” Zelda villains be dissected. One of my personal favorites is the villain of Phantom Hourglass. Bellum!
The final boss fight with Null, even when I watched a walkthrough, kept me glued to the screen.
Nintendo tends to let Ganon(dorf) rest for a few years before starting to use him again so I imagine we won't see him for a while. Which works fine when we get more creative villains like Null, it's less fun when we have a discount Ganon like Malladus, even if it is cool seeing Link and Zelda work together against him. Writing on Null gives me more hope for the future.
The world existing as a means of containing an otherwise unstoppable destructive being gives me strong Eberron vibes
Who?
Extreme tl:dr is Eberron is a D&D setting where a dragon god coiled itself around another, evil, dragon god, to contain it, and the world formed on its coiled up body. The influence from the evil one manifests on the surface in multiple ways, and also anyone digging too deep can lead to dire situations.
I saw a theory that Null is the progenitor of Demise/Ganon, but that would be impossible. Null can't create something new. He can only make dark echoes of things that already exist.
My theory on it is that Null and the demon tribe are progeny of the void, beings born from chaos and seek to multiply it, Null was simply the first and had the most power, and destroyed and absorbed the power of his kin, recently born. Only with the sealing of the void and Null, did one demon rise up and conquer time to become the demon king and rule the demon tribe, and broke out of the earth in a rift to conquer the surface of Hyrule. That was Demise. Null was isolated and sought no companions in his goal - he worked alone, which is why he attacks indiscriminately, he is a being so ancient, more so than any other demon and even Demise, they are all prospects to attempt to satiate his endless hunger.
Never heard of null and just started watching but no one has said he made an echo of himself?
For a small correction, he can't also creates echos, he stole the power from the tris, so i would be surprised that he could also stole the power of the goodness to blessed something and make into cursing someone transforming into the original demise.
Maybe... Still, I don't like that it interferes with my interpretation of Demise's geographical origin; that Din created the land by burying the demon realm alive.
It's interesting though that Demise and his demons are always depicted as coming from below the surface, and Null is depicted similarly. I Don't think they are directly related, in that Null created Demise, but life was said to be capable of forming in the void, and Null would just consume it. Maybe the Goddesses, Null, and Demise are examples of this spontaneous generation of life that was allowed to grow and mature before Null devoured it. Maybe in their attempt to seal Null they also inadvertently sealed Demise with him, or Null was weakened and was unable to consume Demise before he was able to grow and become strong enough to fend of Null's attempts to eat him. It's all just speculation, but I do believe that Demise definitely came from the void just like Null.
"Evil primordial eldritch being"
I know a certain pink puffball who knows all about those
I'd love to see you do Deconstruction of Villainy videos for other Zelda bad guys like Vaati, Majora, Zant, and Ghirahim.
At the end of the video, he said there will be videos about Zant, Ghirahim, etc. in the future.
The way I think of Zant is more like a spoiled brat who has the right idea about the Twi people neglected magic but his pride get the better of him. And Ganondorf used him just as he had used his people -The Gerudo- to escape from the Twilight realm and conquering Hryule. Basically Zant is too stupid to realize it.
@VampirezZ4 A Ghirahim video would be fire. Bro is literally HIM.
Didn't realize the Soulsborne lore guy was a Zelda villain.
@@greenhydra10 Always has been
The moon in Majora's Mask's last and only like is "I will consume... Consume all!". Makes me wonder if Majora manifested some aspect of Null's power rather than building a moon all by itself.
Maybe
I think the idea might be that majora is terminas counterpart to null.
Something similar might be with Malladus.
Malladus is another Demonic Ruler Coexisting to Ganon during the time of Wind Waker, but with the goal of causing Total destructiom, Is it possible that Malladus is somehow connected to Null?
Or is he just a Mindless Brute?
@@Chris-gx1ei I'm actually thinking that Malladus might actually just be a new form of Ganon, considering his train form has a similar face to Ganondorf and his final form is similar Dark Beast Ganon from Twilight Princess.
I think both are demons (as in the sense of beings from beyond the created world, not as monsters), so they probably manifest the same or a similar concept from the nothingness.
I hope the next video will be a 1hr long deep dive into Stamp Guy, easily the best character Nintendo has ever created
Say it with me: CIIRRCUUUITUUM
So Demise is wrath, an undying supernatural hatred that borne malice
Vaati is envy, envying the power of Ezlo, his master and desiring to be a grand wizard
I’d argue that Null isn’t greed, it’s gluttony. Literally consuming everything to the point of waste (of life) until nothing is left but itself- like the oroborous snake that kept eating until it ate its own tail
Ganondorf through various forms are greed, though ganondorf is definitely more on the wrath side of things, but the king of evil more than anything desires others to subjugate under their rule
So the ones we have left are Lust, Pride and Sloth?
I’m a bit curious. I knew the Goddesses were aware of the threat Null poses, but didn’t expect that the creation of the world was a safeguard. We only got a mere fragment of the legend by the Great Deku Tree. They didn’t make everything and everyone without a purpose. Makes sense in a way, but they left behind so many safeguards on top of that for the safeguard. Hylia, the Triforce, the splitting of the Triforce, the Master Sword, etc. I have to wonder if every threat in the series was just really that much of a small fry compared to Null. He had no influence on them, yet was just a looming threat always in the background the sprites fought as everyone else fought their own immediate threat.
I think the Master Sword was Hylia's idea, but otherwise I like your comment
@@efad3215 True, but still it works as a safeguard.
@acgearsandarms1343 True, and in SS it's forged in the flames of the golden trio, so if they don't even know it exists that'd be weird.
Assuming the trio has knowledge of what came after they left, but that's a whole other discussion about omniscience and time.
@@efad3215 I mean, we do talk to them directly in this game, so they must either still be around or be using time schenanigans
@@hyper_lynx Derp. Yeah.
New game, I haven't seen all of it yet but decided to get into the spoilers anyway
Random theory time. I was wondering why the golden goddesses sealed Null instead of simply killing it, so here is my conclusion. The golden goddesses are gods of creation, they cannot directly destroy, only create, so they created a world full of creatures that could kill Null or at least give them time. Perhaps since Null is a creature of the void, he can only destroy, so he posed a threat to the golden goddesses. Maybe the golden goddesses are completely neutral beings, only helping the people of Hyrule so they can eliminate one of their greatest threats. Thoughts?
In other words: Null is a Kirby villain.
Right down to the artstyle
All the way to it's abilities being a dark reflection of our own.
Considering Null’s appearance and goals, its similarities to Void from Star Allies makes me wonder if Null is Void of the Zelda series. After all, there should be a different Void in every universe. I could be wrong, but that is what I remember from the game (also Majora’s lore in relation to the Ancients of Termina, the name Void Termina and its appearance in Soul Melter Ex, and Hyness’s appearance + ancestors).
Maybe Fat Brett should do a theory about it and whether it holds up or not.
@@MrScreffThe "Void exists in all dimensions" thing is solely talking about the Kirby game universe not any other game one lol so no. And Void and Null are nothing alike, Null actually thinks and has goals. Void is a being that has no thought, he can't do anything unless something influences him. He just floats about space until given form, he doesn't know right from wrong the game itself says as much. Void doesn't have any goals nor does his appearance look anything like Null's in this game
Not at all, what? Why are you people suddenly acting like Kirby is the only game series that can have you fight otherworldly god like beings? Kirby didn't invent that, by your logic 90% of video game villains to exist are Kirby villains.
I like the idea of video game villains that are Lovecraftian horrors. Their presence inevitably raises the stakes far more than a demon like Ganon.
It also makes me wonder if Null could have anything to do with the other Zelda villains, like Majora, Vaati, or even Ganon/Demise. Perhaps all dark magic in the Zelda series is drawing upon Null's power in one fashion or another, even if such practitioners never realized it.
Null: Ah fine you win
Zelda: Huh? Aren't you going to say "I'll be back!" Or "You don't see the last of me!" Type of stuff?
Null: Ah who cares? I know when I'm beaten
imagine this from Null's perspective:
-you're keeping your space clean
-just the way you like it
-these three golden [can't say that on a christian minecraft channel!] show up
-decide they don't like the way you live your life
-bury you in infinite dirt
-worms in the dirt play out a story
-it's kinda good
-worms in the dirt play out a story
-it's kinda good, kinda reminds you of the previous story
-worms in the dirt play out a story
-kinda reminds you of the previous stories
-worms in the dirt play out a story
-it's just the previous stories
-repeat ad infinitum
-still trying to clean all the while
-golden [still can't say that on a christian minecraft channel!]'s littlest bugs make more dirt
-decide to get sneaky about it
-make your own worms
-your worms wrap up the little bugs
-your worms keep other worms busy with story
-annoyingly sparkly worm teams up with bug
-golden [still can't say that on a christian minecraft channel but this isn't a christian minecraft channel]'s favorite triangles come into play
-it would be perfect for cleaning all this dirt
-trick sparkly worm-bug duo into opening path to triangles
-golden goddesses put three-factor authentication on the path
-also imply that you're the worm that keeps trying to take the triangles
-you lose
-worms in the dirt play out a story
-worm that looks like you tries to take the triangles
What the hell did I just read
You know, as a Christian, I don’t get offended by mention of lower case gods.
I can separate fact from fiction
Ill be honest i was always kinda sympathetic to null, aint his fault the goddesses imprisoned him.
@jacobrutzke691 Yes it is he devoured other lives out of greed and hunger without care for these things. He’s a monster and that is all he is.
@@gabrielsullivan752 without the ability to understand those things either, and was imprisoned by outside beings simply for being what he was. Is he evil just because he's harmful to us?
When playing through the Echoes of Wisdom story, I liked how Three Golden Goddesses (Din, Nayru, and Farore) had not only create the land that has become known as Hyrule, and how the Goddess Hylia have watch over the Triforce as the define trio return to the heavens. But also a barrier that keeps Null at bay as he is a personification of the void or lack of existence.
Null's introduction made him such an interesting villain. He is not tide to Demise's curse or different versions of Ganon/Ganondorf. But rather an evil entity who is a formidial foe to the creators of the Triforce, and he has been around since the dawn of time with a goal of turning everything into nothingness. In a way, Null is the arch nemesis to the Three Golden Goddesses as Demise is to Goddess Hylia and her Chosen hero.
There is a bit similarities between Null and Calamity Ganon as both are very destructive forces of nature. But the difference is one is created to destroy Hyrule by Ganondorf in ordered to reshape the world back to it‘s original form and rekindle the fighting spirit Hyrule’s inhabitants lacked (as described in the Japanese Text). And the other, Null seeks to devour all worlds and tear reality apart (which makes ruling the kingdom of Hyrule through tyranny and conquest is like nothing but a child’s play).
Null's presence and its ability to make rifts in the earth and spawn monsters makes me wonder if the hole in the earth Demise and his cronies crawled out of was just a rift created by Null. And if so, would that make Null the greater scope villain of the whole Zelda franchise?
3:42 Okay then, I like your challenge.
The game takes place long after Zelda 2. A few reason I think this.
1. Ganon is all but forgotten by the time of this game. it's obvious that this game takes place in Decline timeline so the only way I think it fits is it takes place hundreds of years after Ganon defeat in Zelda 1. After ganon's final death these rifts start showing up. The reason? Null took Ganon's soul and used it to break through his prison much more effectively causing the age of rifts in Hyrule. (Null had to interact with Ganon atleast once to make an echo of him)
2. In the Decline time line most of the races are gone from Hyrule except for the River Zora, who were driven mad by Ganon dark magic. A lot the the races show up in this game but have not interacted with Humanity that much (none of them even know who zelda is). Additionally, all the River Zora are bros now so their corruption is gone (probably because Ganon has been dead for centuries) In the credits it's shown the other race are interacting with the hyruleans again, implying that they will forge closer contacts now.
I think putting it long after Zelda 2 fits pretty well
Same here
Personally I think it fits a bit better after FSA in the child timeline. Big Blue Boar Ganon would be a lot less well known there, as he only showed up once,and the name of the Triforce being lost there makes a bit more sense, as it's rarely, if ever mentioned by name in TP, despite playing a large role in that game. This is likely because most characters don't know about Link going back in time, and the triforce splitting because of it, leading to a lot of confusion. Contrast this with Downfall, where the Triforce has been consistently named, used, and kept track of from LttP through Zelda 2. All the races that appear in EoW appear in the child timeline, including River Zora in FSA, and Hyrule doesn't fall into nearly as hard of a decline there. I also think you might be overselling the degree of separation between the Hylians and the other races. Hyrule is a loose Confederation in most games, closer to the HRE than a unified kingdom. While the King is acknowledged as technically being in charge, in practice the other races mostly do their own thing with little oversight, Hyrule is at its most unified in OOT, but keep in mind that was directly after a civil war to reestablish control. In conclusion, I think Child Timeline works best, and this would even make FSA an important game, which is cool.
@candycornshrimp So does FSA, or at least a similar one. The geography isn't meant to indicate where on the timeline a game takes place. If that were the case, then it wouldn't be after Zelda 2, it'd be after LBW, and while that's not the most implausible placement, it's more consistent to place it after FSA or Zelda 2. Geography has never been very consistent in Zelda anyway. Hell, even in this game, they put death mountain above Kakariko, and Hebra where Death Mountain used to be, despite BOTW and TOTK saying they should be the other way around. And Zelda 2's geography is just all over the place. I dont think the geography should be the deciding factor here.
@candycornshrimp like I said, most of those same locations could be found within FSA, so it's just as possible those locations are from the child timeline.
@@person_guy3505 Also if the Four Sword fell into a rift that would explain how Null is able to create echoes of Ganon, whereas it would be difficult to find a time for him to encounter Ganon anywhere in the downfall timeline
I don't think Null has the power to create echoes - Null was wearing the corpse of a Tri that he had possessed. Echoes are the ability of the Tri - their ability to replicate things of the world and use it to patch Null's rifts.
He can't create himself. He's just pure destruction.
Null… a being of the void… destroyer of worlds…
Where have I heard of this before?….
VOID TERMINA?!?!?!?!?!
When fighting Shadow Link or Dark Link not only brings back one of the most iconic villains in the Legend of Zelda series.
It it gives some angst Zelink vibes when the player is facing him as Princess Zelda. If hurts that the hero of the Gods who risked his life to save his princess turned on her. But that’s not the REAL Link like all the imposters.
If Nintendo wanted to be really crazy, they'd make one of the normal protagonists the villain of the next game. Not even in the sense of TotK's shadow-puppet Zelda; instead just...one of the heroes becoming jaded, or misguided. Power, Wisdom, and Courage are all corruptible. It all depends on the wielders.
I think princess Hilda in albw counts technically.
Fuck it, flip the script. Have Link be the genuine villain and Ganon be the genuine hero.
@@minakoarisato1506 See, I think the Lorule Triforce has a different tilt to it than the Hyrule Triforce, and Hilda was always meant for the Power piece. Ravio for the Wisdom piece, and the villain/Yuga for Courage. But we never really got to find out because by the time the Lorule Triforce existed again, Yuga was dead and Hilda and Ravio knew better than to fuck around with it.
@@tatltails3923I always thought the broken Lorule Triforce represented the opposites of Power, Wisdom & Courage:
Weakness, Foolishness & Cowardice.
Yuga was a weak Sorcerer at the beginning, as his bossfights really were not challenging at all (personally), but in exchange was smarter and got the strength through Power when fusing with Ganon.
Hilda was foolish for trusting Yuga to think he would care for the world, and also shows a lack of understanding and good judgement (Not realizing what she is doing is worse than the wars they held, trusting Yuga), until she realized she was wrong and made the decision to do the right thing, even if it meant the end of Lorule.
And Ravio was a coward, running away from the threat and living in Hyrule with Link. However, his cowardice proved useful when he just snatched all Dungeon Items and brought them in one place for Link to have access to. And in the end he did get courages by stepping inbetween Hilda and telling her how she was wrong and admitted being a coward.
And thats why it would also make sense for their Triforce to return, since the qualities of Power, Wisdom and Courage have returned in this world through the wish, and that it would stay there with the existance of the three of them (Even with Yugas Death)
But thats my view on it
Interesting! Null’s characterization seems *very* similar to that of Ungoliant, the nightmarish spider-like entity in J.R.R. Tolkien’s mythos-both are primordial beings whose origins are almost entirely unexplained and embody cosmic horror themes, and both are defined by their boundless, insatiable greed to devour all that exists-a trait that, in Ungoliant’s case at least, is passed on to her many giant spider children.
I love that this is a game that actually focused on the golden goddess. Also a Ghirahim video from you would be awesome.
So much focus had been put on only Hylia lately that I was starting to feel like they had forgotten the other goddesses
@@gideonjones8088 It was so nice to (spoilers) hear about them from the king when he heard the region names and talk to them and see the triforce split when someone unbalanced tried to use it.
Honestly Null reminds me a little of Tlaltecuhtli, an Aztec deity sometimes called the "earth monster". This beast devoured everything the gods created during creation, so the gods killed the beast and used its body to create the land. It also had to be sated with blood sacrifices to keep it from devouring the world.
I know the concept of a primordia Eldridge nightmare is nothing new but the fact that I was making my own Eldridge god before null and then I play this game and learn about him and his backstory which is almost one to one with mine is funny to me (the fact it was a legend of Zelda game to do it makes it even better)
There's a Zelda fanfiction RTS game called Hyrule Total War/Hyrule Conquest where Majora is what Null is. Majora was the foundation that Hyrule was built on and is trying to destroy the Triforce.
I request more information on this project
See, while playing I was totally willing to buy that Majora is connected to Null and places like Termina and the Twilight Realm were connected to rifts in some way.
Hyrule Conquest also gives Labrynna guns/tanks & makes the Gohma the Hyrulean equivalent of the Tyranids/Zerg. It truly is a wild & awesome experience! 😁
@@AAZ-yu5ss but it turns Hylia into a warmongering psycopathic false god and Ganon into a sympathetic villain just to show that Zelda herself is a fanatical religious fundamentalist. And turning Majora into a chessmaster behind everything when in Majora's Mask he is much more like a child throwing tantrums, playing a sadistic game and spreading misery with cruel random pranks than a scheming mastermind with a complex evil plan. Despite appreciating the effort that is put in Hyrule Conquest, I do have some issues with what they do with the lore and their idea of "moral grey".
@@mattiaboscherini4001 Yeah, there are definitely loads of stuff I don’t vibe with (Why did they do King Dorephan & Irene dirty like that!? 😭), but I do like some of the interesting ideas, such as the Darknut Legion & the Sheikah Cadre’s aesthetic.
Null is a very surprising addition to the lore of the franchise to be sure but a very welcome one. I wish there were more high tier big bads besides Ganon, would certainly make each new game more interesting because we would always speculate on who would return the next time.
An interesting detail about the rifts is that they could be used to explain why Hyrule constantly changes between each game. Its stated that things fade away the longer they're in a rift, so it stands to reason that when the Tris restore them, they are creating very slightly imperfect copies of what was initially consumed. Over long periods of time, this would mean the world slowly changes.
Great video. Just a couple of thoughts that differed:
1. I'd argue that Ganon does have the overlapping intention of "destroying the world" in some of the games. Particularly in BOTW, as a few characters (e.g. the Yiga Clan) mention it. I know you later did mention Calamity Ganon as being similar, but I think it's worth mentioning that the phrases like "destroying" and "ending" the world are also used with Ganon. Again though, this changes from game to game.
2. I don't think that Null would necessarily have had to defeat/kill Ganon, as the other characters it had created echoes of were alive concurrently with the originals. I'd say the implication is that Null had come into contact with Ganon (or is perhaps related to Ganon in some way), but anything more than that doesn't seem required based on what the game depicts with other Null echoes.
Again, great video :) thanks for the continued cool content!
I think Zelda and Link are the only time we see Null produce Echoes of people without needing them to be frozen in the Rifts first.
But they'd got special destiny powers that Ganon very *possibly* shares.
So in that circumstance, Ganon might be wandering around sonewhere if Null didn't kill him.
But! If Ganon dud wind up frozen in the Rifts...
If the Tri looked at Ganon and did not think "nope!" when bringing stuff back from the Rifts, Ganon could be back in Hyrule after the game.
If they took a look at Ganon and voted to never bring him back after seeing what his Echo was like; That could be the end of him if nobody in the future frees him or somehow revives him later.
Same goes for all the Bosses.
Most of them might already have ceased to exist since we have no idea how long it's been since Null had captured his first bunch of Tri.
And the most wild option for Ganon is that he's just flat out gone after getting Rifted.
We have no idea when Null got his Echo. And no idea how long he could've been in there.
Maybe if someone found a way to recreate or revive him anyway...
Ganon has rarely ever wanted to destroy the world. Mainly because he wants to rule the world and be feared.
The only times where he ever wants to destroy the world is when he completely loses his mind (like in BOTW and the Oracle games), he's about to die anyways so might as well drag everyone to Hell with him, or he plans to remake the world in his own image. In any case, Ganon's endgame needs to have a world to rule over.
Null is a true eldritch abomination in that there is no possible way to survive it. With Ganon, you can at least hope to be a survivor and get a job under his rule. With Null, it's game over.
I really like how we seem to get two different perspectives on what Null's motivation is. The goddesses tell us he is hungry and wants to consume everything, which is a reasonable assumption when he spawn camps every entity that is spontaneously generated in the void. But hearing Null's side of things, it sounds like he just hates being bothered by the existence of other things. Depending on exactly what part of it bothers him, sealing him into a sensory deprivation pocket dimension might actually satisfy him. I think part of his plan with the Triforce wish was not simply to consume what currently is, but to prevent new stuff from spawning at all, to have eternal peace and quiet.
As a bit of an aside, this worldbuilding implies that the goddesses must have formed in that same void, and then survived and escaped for long enough to evolve and develop to the point where they could do something about him. So a bit of extreme cosmic darwinism.
Creation shouldn't have existed, only I should have existed, all those things that were created are just disgusting matter, that's why I devoured the world of nothingness in my house and I am nothing, if there is creation then there is nothing left there it's something and I can't allow it
The world being a prison for a dark god is absolutely something H.P. lovecraft would write. Everything you love and care for the earth you live on is nothing but a wall to stop a universal apocalypse from happening.
The only difference is that in Zelda, said apocalypse can be beaten to death
New villains in Zelda games are always nice. I'm also tired of Ganon/dorf always popping up. At this point I would be happy if they reused Majora or Vaati, maybe even make Cia canon and use her.
Null is a tri, but reversed in a way, instead of creating stuff with their power it destroys it
Perhaps it could be said that the Tris are an inverted version of Null instead of the other way around, given that they only came into existence long after Null did.
@@valjamin8456 I like that theory
The idea that the blank triangle in the center of the Triforce being surrounded by the Triforce pieces… did Nintendo confirm and clarify the Tetraforce theory, not by the fourth bit being an inverse like the Shadow Realm, but instead literally nothing? The absence of anything existing, consumed until there’s nothing but emptiness? Honestly, I love that, and it feels a lot more creative than it just being evil shadow stuff.
The TetraForce theory came from the Hylian Shield's fourth triangle that got removed in the subsequent game but it's good that they basically finally explained the empty space in the center of it.
So now we all know of Null, how does Echoes of Wisdom fit into the Kirby timeline
null? he's probobly just another life taken by morpho knight.
@@kittenfan7664 that kind of fits oddly enough.
null is Zero 3
Null = void
3:29 this actually makes perfect sense. These "rifts" may have been appearing in Hyrule in other Zelda games, even as far back in the timeline as Skyward Sword, but we just never really had any reason (until now) to believe they were anything other than bottomless pits. What was the main obstacle you had to overcome to get to Skyview temple in the deepest section of Faron Woods in Skyward Sword? A *giant bottomless chasm* that seemed to have swallowed up that entire area!
There's also the idea that Null could have won once. As in, maybe there was another world/universe before the one the Golden Goddesses made but Null devoured it, then when it did the Goddesses stepped in.
Lorule, potentially?
@@JKStudios42 no not like an alternate universe, a previous universe. An old incarnation
Something that I noticed is that in the Goddesses' exposition cutscene, Null just looks like a swirling cloud. But when we first see its true body, it's a solid mass. I wonder if the reason it solidified is because it started consuming tris, maybe the echoes they all had memorized slowly started adding up, influencing Null's body and provided it with structure and dna from many different creatures. Or maybe the structure of the body is made of actual tris, based on how their faces are all over it inside.
Null is interesting. They aren't evil necessarily. They act like a child throwing a tantrum after being grounded for doing something they genuinely didn't think was anything bad.
Great video. Another villain I think you’d have a blast breaking down would be DR Nafarious from Ratchet and clank series.
He’s a fun mustache twirling villain that everybody loves
2:26 I mean you say that but before TotK Ganondorf hadn't been the villain of a Zelda game since Twilight Princess lol. I'd say it was a breath of fresh air to finally see him return after so long. Also Null's echoes being echoes with a mind of their own isn't inconsistent. It's clear that they are dark slaves of Null carrying out his will, they have as much of a mind of their own as Zelda's own echoes do. At most, the dark Ganon and later Zelda echoes seem closer to puppet avatars of Null while still having minds of their own. Though ofc they're devoted to carrying out his will.
What a missed opportunity let Null say the quote.
"Whatever I see, I shall Devour."
"nom nom nom, hmmmmm."
Player: (°д°)
*OH GOODY!* /royaltyfree_crustyclap_sfx.mp3
*MASHED LINK FOR THE MAIN COURSE!*
The first time I saw Null, literally the first thing I thought was "that's a kirby final boss".
2:19 FatBrett: “This is the very first completely new Zelda since the Lady in Triforce Heroes…”
Master Kooga: “Am I and my Yiga Clan is a joke to you? You owe us a lot of bananas!”
Im honestly more surprised that he remembered the most forgettable Zelda game ever tbh
@@AndreSantos-xv9oh Same with the Rito race? They aren’t in Echoes of Wisdom. Which I am disappointed.
@a.jthomas6132 they got replaced with the yetis
Yeti supremacy
This truly was our Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom
Null's core looks like a dark reflection of Tri
There was a point in the game where I realized this is basically the same overarching narrative battle at play in the webcomic Order Of The Stick.
The gods came into conflict over how they ran the word, and their arguments gave birth to a mo strous being of unmaking called the Snarl. In desperation, the gods that sirvived its i itial attack crafted a new world around it, using order to contain chaos. The twist comes when you learn that the world the heroes inhabit is not the first. Or the second. Ot even the hundreth. The gods have made COUNTLESS worlds to contain the Snarl, and every time it escapes and unmakes their latest creation. No afterlife, no heaven or hell, just nothing left.
Null is THAT kind of villain. And that makes him VERY frightening in a universe that, up to now, has been dealong with one dark god manofesting over and over.
Now THAT would be a great timeline theory. Every time we need a new timeline it's just Null devouring the world and the goddesses rebuilding Hyrule from scratch in an endless struggle to contain it.
I think the next incarnation of Ganondorf should be a good guy. Give him some way of realizing he's not his own man, but rather the product of a curse, and have him rebel against it.
Null has the biggest Ego ever. He wants nothing besides himself. And the Void, but this is also nothing.
Note: I think his Motto would be "I get you all!"
I honestly can't wait to see you make a video about Zant, still so far my favorite villain of the Zelda series. I am sure some other people have thought of this before, but I'd like to believe that Zant's final moments of defying Ganondorf's desperate grab for power to keep himself alive was the catalyst for Calamity Ganon. As the great 'Demon King' wasn't truly beaten by his eternal rival, but by an outside force that may have caused ripples of change as this external interference may have affected the cycle of reincarnation.
Just finished this game a couple hours ago. Good stuff man.
I will watch any Twilight Princess video you make at least 3 times.
Echoes of Wisdom is the Neverending Story II of the Legend of Zelda franchise.
Null is really interesting. It shares similarities with The End in Sonic Frontiers. I like how The End describes everything as finite but itself as infinite and being the definition of literal "nothingness". The End wants to return everything to nothing and order and claimed it already destroyed countless worlds and lives. We see The End as a moon because according to Japanese mythology, the moon is how humanity sees death. So in that case Sage and Sonic see The End as something different we can't know. The Ancients created a whole world between dimensions to contain The End. The End also was the first ever villain in the Sonic franchise where the regular Super form wasn't powerful enough anymore to fight against the bad.
Would be interesting to see more of Null.
I sort of like the "give it to me" line, it emphasizes Null's truly one-track mind
I would really like a deconstruction of villany on princess hilda and Yuga from ALBW. i just don't hear then talked about much as villans
The power of Null in the Lore : 🌌🌑🌌
The power of Null in the Game : 🧨
Its like pokémon 😂
yes!!!! I'm so happy you made a video on Null! Also just happy to see you make videos
Nice, now the Zelda series has a villain that can rival Count Bleck and Dimentio in terms of stakes.
I know you mentioned Zant and Ghirahim, but have you played A Link Between Worlds? Some of the Zelda games' finest heroes and most relatable villains are found in that game.
"Oh waiter!!!! More fabric of reality, please!!!"
Seeing this title pop up in my recommended, I thought it was about season 2 of The Unsleeping City. The more I watch this video, the more it seems these two Nulls are very similar, it is very, very interesting.
Im ngl, the artstyle and cartoony vibe of the game covers the fact that Null might be the most horrifying and powerful being in the zelda universe
What I love is how they inverted the "Hijacked by Ganon" trope.
If you love Lovecraftian horror themed villains, you should definitely do a deconstruction video on Praya Dubia, the overarching antagonist of Another Crab's Treasure. The other villains (Rolland, Inkerton, and Firth) are pretty good, too. And don't let the charming, stylized look of this game fool you. It gets really dark, especially in the final chapter. 🐚
Our boy Brett is back!
Hmm, idea.
A zelda game where ganondorf starts as a friend but learns that this is causing the ancient curse to run rampant over hyrule, in the end sacrifising hinself and becoming Ganon so thag his friends can defeat him and bring peace back to the kingdoms
The whole concept of Null reminds me of Marvel's Knull.
Both have names pronounced as Null.
Both came from the primordial void before time
Both desire for the universe to only be themself (Null through eating it, Knull through possessing everything with Symbiotes).
@@m05513dont forget the Goated Null the third most popular and powerful urban legend in MC lore behind Entity303 and of course Herobrine.
The whole concept of Null and the lore implications he has on the Zelda franchise probably makes him one of, if not the scariest thing in the whole franchise
More than a devourer of worlds, he devours existence itself!
When you think about it, Null is similar to The End from Sonic Frontiers in a lot of ways.
As for when Null is speaking through the imposters U think it’s a case by case scenario. For the most part they’re autonomous puppets following commands. Thus the line spoken by the King imposter.
But Null can also assume direct control, thus the times like Imposter Zelda speaking as if she is Null.
Yo thanks for spoiling this for me sick video probably