thank you to Hannah Ward for sending me a few sources regarding this topic!! 💕 TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 intro 0:40 who is maddie ziegler, how did she meet sia 1:19 who is sia 1:45 chandelier, and the beginning of maddie and sia's relationship 4:00 elastic heart controversy, and my thoughts on it 6:02 MUSIC controversy 11:31 sia acknowledging the ableism and nepotism she had in casting maddie 12:16 my thoughts on sia's response to the movie, and the way she feels about maddie 14:00 other weird things sia has done for/said to maddie 18:56 final thoughts on maddie and this whole situation
Hi, you were talking about how Asia said she kind of ‘shares’ Maddie with Melissa, and I’m pretty sure I remember something about that on mackzboss’s video about this so maybe go check that out! Anyway great video
It is super weird that Sia ONLY follows Maddie on IG. Not any family? Not any other friends? Not any other coworkers or stars? Not even Kenzie, who is technically also her God-daughter?
Here’s the weirdest thing for me: Sia has two kids of her own. Adopted, but still her kids. I’ve never heard Sia speak about her own children as much as she speaks about Maddie. It’s just...so odd.
Wow I didn’t know that, I thought that maybe Sia was so protective of Maddie because she sees Maddie like her own daughter that she does not have, but now that you say this.. it is odd 😳
Yeah. I thought the same thing. She should really be showering that love and attention on her own children instead of on a girl who has 3 parents. It must suck to be adopted by Sia and watch her be super affectionate to a girl who already has parents.
Honestly, the whole Maddie and Sia situation feels like a case of grooming. Not necessarily in a sexual sense, but Sia has seemingly manipulated Maddie to the point where she relies HEAVILY on Sia and has made them develop a codependent relationship. Sia always HAS to speak for Maddie when Maddie is now a grown girl capable of speaking for herself. I feel that their relationship is now at a point where Maddie feels obligated to stay with Sia and do as Sia pleases because of all Sia has done to help her career get to where it is now. I am disappointed that Melissa just allows all of this to happen. If Maddie were my daughter, I would definitely set BOUNDARIES between my daughter and her employer. They can be friends but "sharing" my daughter would be out of the question.
Yeah for sure! It’s no doubt that Sia has helped Maddie immeasurably throughout the years. But some of the things she says are just extremely off putting , and it makes you wonder just how close they are. There’s no boundaries being put in place.
Melissa literally couldn't care less...I remember Maddie crying while dancing and being yelled at because she was sick in Dance moms and Melissa just ignored her as usual
She is in a sense! She has apparently prevented Maddie from taking many opportunities offered to her, thinking Maddie would be too good for them, rather than let Maddie (now an adult) decide for herself. Sia even said that she creates projects just for Maddie to "ensure" that she is safe and doesn't have to work for anyone else. That sounds manipulative if you ask me 🤦🏽♀️
@@lyramusica4485 stop lying, only lies you spread here! A simple google search, not more, will show you that Maddie has more projects in her carrer no Sia related than projects with Sia! Look at all Maddies accomplisments and do the math if you have any brain, which I doubt
@@lyramusica4485 Yes! I feel the same way and she's creating a very solid image of Maddie where she's seen as Sia's.... (possibly property in a way) and even though I don't blame Maddie, she's already been involved with problematic performances, which I can't imagine will be better if she keeps working with Sia. Maddie may not even get good offers like she could have otherwise.
@@lovers_cult yes thats not what they are saying ofc she does things outside of sia and maddie has said herself in her book maddies diaries that sia sometimes tells her the roles shes too good for and what not to take
I totally agree! and now all of maddie’s closest friends and family are deeply intertwined with sia as well. literally last week maddie’s boyfriend released a music video with the help of sia
poor maddie has never known a world without older women preying on her success... first abby lee incessantly manipulated her on the show, and now sia oddly protects maddie and treats her inappropriately (in my opinion). I worry that maddie’s professional career will seriously suffer if there ever were to be a rift between her and sia because they’re so deeply intertwined.
It definitely started with her mother as well. In her own memoir she even says how Melissa would basically use her as a therapist and tell her about her adult problems, making her feel personally responsible for them. She also parentified Maddie by having her brush Mackenzie’s hair, make her wash Kenzie’s face, make sure she brushed her teeth and put her to bed, make sure she had her things for school. And then also how Maddie would stay up late and tell her mother she’s drunk too much wine and should go to bed while Melissa uses her as a therapist. Then later Melissa keeping her in that horrible enviorment at Abby Lee’s studio because Melissa feels some sort of loyalty towards ALDC because she danced with them when she was young and then tried to live vicariously through her older daughter and shoulder the burden on taking care of her most her little sister’s emotional and often her physical needs. That is SO much to go through when you’re a little girl and then Maddie had the world watching her and this abusive, loud mouthed asshole emotionally manipulating her. She wasn’t able to go to school, was over worked, had no friends or couldn’t make any meaningful connections with the other girls and when she tried to with Kendall they were punished for it by not being allowed to have a duet together for some spiteful, stupid reason before Kendall left the show and both of them were absolutely heartbroken. I was only 2 years older than Maddie as well and I watched all of this unfold and I was horrified for all of them. Their crying and being ‘sensitive’ really opened my eyes to the similar abuse I went through and showed me that I wasn’t ‘too sensitive’ or dramatic or over reacting to adults screaming insults at me and mistreating me. Lmao Jojo radicalised me with “Well if you yell at me I’m gonna cry”. My father (an abusive narcissist) was actually a fan of the show and watched it all of the time and that’s how I was able to watch it and would bark at me like Miller did to the girls, even repeating insults and harsh criticisms verbatim to make me become ‘a perfect daughter’ like Maddie because I had never been ‘good’ at anything. He would do that while I was practicing art. And wouldn’t you know it, my asshole father wanted to be an artist at some point in his younger life 🥲 Just disgusting, all of it. Now there’s Sia taking advantage of that poor girl. Maddie has literally been used by every single adult in her life and has never had a safe adult to confide in and that screws you up SO much as a kid. I hope she gets away from Sia, finds peace and gets a good therapist because holy shit, that girl was robbed of her childhood.
the way she went off about Music on twitter.... it really seems like she'd have a meltdown. for maddie's sake I hope that never happens.😭 thanks for watching! 💕
very true and how did she not feel bad for any of the other girls if she loved dance moms what about Chloe or nit etc. Not saying Maddie had it easy abby put way to much on her to be perfect but its strange. Also with only following her and her alone.
Probably the same way Abby reacted, she is so salty and shades the Ziegler’s all the time. I think Maddie went from being manipulated by Abby, to manipulated by SIA.
to be honest I really didn't like her that much on dance moms because of how Abby hurt the other girls in favor of Maddie, but after seeing this video and others about the adults in Maddie's life, I fear for Maddie's well being, Sia is a million times more obsessed than Abby, and her obsession was bad enough, I do hope Maddie breaks away from Sia because Sia is mentally unbalanced, and when she does I hope for once Melissa does her job as a mother and protects Maddie even though she is an adult,
@@mwalker9899 it's all Melissa's fault, she let Abby now Sia obsess over and control Maddie, Abby was bad enough but Sia is a million times worse and I am afraid for Maddie's well being
@@mwalker9899 literally the only person whose word we have on the Eastern Story is Sia's, there's literally nothing to corroborate that that even happened. And it still doesn't excuse the clear lack of boundaries and the control that Sia asserts over Maddie. Like all artist/muse type relatioships there is a clear disparity in the power dynamic and authority one party has over the other.
It doesn’t sit right with me that Sia is using Maddie to “heal” from whatever she went through in her past. Like you put this child that you claim to have a need to protect in this controversial situation with a grown man so that you could gain some kind of closure or healing. Then you cast and pressures her to be in a movie that she doesn’t feel comfortable doing, that she cried about doing, just because you couldn’t see anyone else in the role. That just doesn’t sit right with me at all. If she is willing to risk Maddie’s safety, reputation, and potentially mental health for her own gain then I have to question if she really has her best interest in mind. And even if she truly believes she is helping Maddie, intentions don’t matter when your actions are hurting someone.
Sia’s unfortunately feeding into and perpetuating the (alleged, i don’t know much about sia) ab**e she experienced. An adult hopefully is able to recognize the cycle they’re a part of if they have the right people, support, and tools to do so - but that’s the ideal situation, not the most common. :( Her USING A CHILD TO “HEAL”??? ma’am... please seek help, Sia.
A reminder that Maddie was 14 years old when the movie was filmed and Sia is her godmother and I feel like there is a power dynamic in the relationship that especially a 14 year old Maddie probably didn't feel like she could go against Sia and most likely really trusted her.
Sia said she will never endeavour a project if Maddie is not involved. WTH. That seems like a whole lot of pressure to put on someone. What happens if Maddie wants to do a project where Sia is not involved.
That was my thought exactly! And actually, Sia has gone out of her way to keep Maddie from working on other projects/with other people. She said she knew it would be "bad for Maddie's career".
It’s evident that these issues stem from Melissa’s neglect as a mother. Maddie seeks out mother figures & Sia has taken it to higher levels than Abby ever did. I’m hoping Maddie can finally separate from Sia as a young adult. Sia has issues.
Maybe Sia sees herself in Maddie. Hence the attachment she has with her. It seems like she’s coddling her in a way that she didn’t receive. I mean I could be way off. Their relationship is very questionable. And there’s definitely a real reason why Sia is connected to Maddie. But if I were Maddie, I’d be running for this hills.
Yess, It’s exactly what it is. Also U think she wanted to protected because after that musical video, she knew Maddie would have success but with that came a lot of danger too. The danger of bad people in the business circle.
Let's talk about Maddies mother too though. I feel like she's using her own child for some type of gain. First, Abby using Maddie a *lot.* Then Melissa saying "I share my children with Abby" it didn't seem like nothing at first. Until Sia also quoted something similar in a interview, "Because Melissa let me" she sounded like she was about to say what Melissa said in dance moms, but changed it up as she caught herself. This could example why Melissa pays more attention to Maddie than MacKenzie from what we witnessed.
Oh yeah Melissa is absolutely a part of the problem. Too many industry parents are more concerned with their brand than the wellbeing of their children.
Yes I don't know parents who let their underaged child stay at a non relative's house & sleep with them in the same bed. Plus why only Maddie her poor sister must feel invincible.
As an autistic person, the Music situation pisses me off like nothing else. I was going to write out an entire ranr but I really feel like you summed up all my thoughts in way fewer words than it would've taken me
I have friends who are autistic/have Down syndrome, and i, someone who does not have either of those, was deeply offended and wanted to almost cry. People need to educate themselves. As a kid, I was taught what to do and what not to do around someone who had autism, and I knew better than the adults who created MUSIC. And as part of the nuerodivergent community it hurts me to see us so misrepresented.
I'm autistic too. I can't even listen to Sia's music anymore since that dreadful movie came out. I used to be a big fan, but then she showed how ableist and terrible she is.
i don't think it'd be too crazy to say that sia is quite literally in love with maddie.. in the most unhealthy ways imaginable. I also didn't realize how aloof and out of touch sia was until after the movie came out, so now I'm extra concerned.
totally agree. perfect example of her blind obsession with maddie is that sia only follows 1 account on instagram, which is maddie. this means that she’s the only thing that appears in her feed... I find that so odd imo
I think this movie was good for ONE THING: it showed how when writing or creating art it’s better to stick to your own experience...”write what you know” as they say. The only person with depth in that movie is Zoo, and the reason is that her experience as a recovering addict is the only one Sia can actually relate to as she’s in recovery herself. It would have been waaaaay cooler to see a musical about Zoo struggling to overcome her addiction through musical numbers. Maybe she has an autistic sister who helps inspire her to be better, but the sister is more of a supporting role.
I kinda disagree with "write what you know". In general, it limits a lot of creativity. Instead, creators should be encouraged do their research and consult / collaborate with people who have the right skill set and personal experiences. I know Sia said she researched this movie for years, but idk what she was researching if she didn't know how polarising Autism Speaks was. Whatever research she did, clearly it was incompetent and half-assed. The fact that there was no autistic writers / experts on austin involved was the nail on the coffin. Creators should not be afraid of making art outside their own experiences, but when they do, they need to be aware of their personal limitation and find others who can help fill in the gaps.
I think Sia had good intentions behind it and listened to the wrong people when researching it. I don’t think her reaction was great when people questioned it. It created a conversation, which isn’t a bad thing. She had a real opportunity to take that and open the dialogue more and I wish she had done that. I did see a number of people commenting that Music was an accurate representation of their autistic child though, so maybe in some cases it was an accurate portrayal of autism. I don’t know enough about it to say for sure though.
@@phadenswandemil4345 I think writing what you know is decent advice for new writers. But yes I think in general you can write outside your experience but with great care and the use of sensitivity readers.
@@JuliaBoateng he was completely innocent? I’ve heard the rumors and never knew what to think but I never heard of them being debunked. Maybe you can do a video on MJ if u feel like it, I think it would be interesting
I believe Sia peeped & acknowledged Abbys obsession with Maddie & used it as an opportunity to take advantage of the situation to become " The New Abby" for Maddie. She seen that Melissa was willing to release parental control & allow Maddie to be in certain situations for success,and thats why she chose Maddie over the other girls. She Seen this opportunity to take advantage of Maddie because Melissa was already allowing Abby do it.
Such a good point, and I’ve thought about that a few times myself! The other girls had really strong opinionated mama bears.. whereas Melissa despised confrontation and speaking up for her kids. It really makes you think.
@@cassiusahab5890 so true. That’s one of the worst things you can do to your kid, make them overly compliant so they get taken advantage of & don’t speak up for themselves
On the topic of the disaster that was "Music", I feel sorry for Maddie the most. Maddie was only 14 years old when the film was made, and Sia should have known better than to thrust Maddie in an awkward position, to the point of her breaking down in tears on set, worried that she'd be making fun of actual autistic people.
Even worse is that ALLEDGEDLY (some people debate whether this is true) Sia had hired an autistic girl to play Music but the environment was too stressful for her (understandable with all those flashing lights included in the film!) so she fired her rather than accomadating for her before MAKING Maddie do this role when she was also distressed about it 🤦🏽♀️
Maddie was a victim of abuse, as were all the DM Girls. Abby very sneakily abused Maddie and she likely sees Sia as her savior from that abuse. The issue is that Sia is no better than Abby Lee. Sia exploits Maddie to uphold her own privacy. Sia pinpointed Maddie as having the least involved mother and the most fragile psyche. Maddie seems to have had the fear that if she messed up at all, Abby would be awful to her. She likely feels similarly with Sia.
most likely!! I think that's how Sia chose Maddie over everyone else. but even knowing that, what about Kenzie.. her own sister who was raised by the SAME mother? it's all so weird.
@@Julie86Mac creating a level of isolation that the child feels they cannot even talk to their own parents, that the world is againstThem. Extreme perfectionism, failure causes a breakdown that they will not live up to expectations. If you do this= praise behavior, say no=punishment.
I'm autistic and I've worked in special ed with many autistic kids, and there are so so many ways to safely calm a kid down, from special chairs to safety rooms. I watched part of her movie and it made me cry, it was so upsetting an ableist. Not to mention that Sia compared people with autism to a hat in an interview about the movie. All in all I have absolutely no respect for a person who can make a movie so ableist, dangerous and dehumanising. Her relationship with maddie is highly concerning and honestly the obsession is scary.
I have an autistic niece and the way we calm her down is singing her a lullaby. Of course I am pretty aware that each person is different, but when I saw that clip I felt really bad since my sister in law (my niece's mother) died giving childbirth I been always her babysitter and I can't imagine myself doing what was shown in that movie the maximum thing I have done was trying to cuddle her .
Hi, just trying to educate myself so no negative tone intended!! How would someone calm an autistic child down in an open area like the park that the movie clip was in? Obviously you shouldn't pin them down like Sia demonstrated, you shouldn't pin any kid down to be frank, but if there was no backup plan what would happen?
@@avitheofficial7014 honestly, it depends on how well you know the kid to gauge what they need. Autistic individuals will most likely show signs that they're becoming overstimulated, so avoiding a meltdown is your best option, and this can be done in many different ways. But lets say you've missed the signs: Some people when in the middle of a meltdown want to be hugged, some distracted (if you know the person well you probably know their special interests and could use that), you could use fidget toys, sensory videos, headphones, sunglasses, food or a drink etc. If you're worried about the child's safety (let's say the park is surrounded by a road or something) you could take the child's hand or carry them to a quieter corner/place. From my experience kids (with autism) enjoy being carried, often on your back, to feel a sense of safety, comfort, and distance between themselves and the overstimulating situation. The world is already way more overwhelming when you're a child, so the extra hight helps. Again this all depends on the child, because some don't want to be touched at all. Pinning a child in the midst of a meltdown down is extremely dangerous and traumatising and will harm your relationship with them, but if the child is running toward a busy road, their safety obviously comes first, but avoid placing your weight on a child at all costs and carry them instead. My best advice is to do research and observe a child to be able to catch symptoms of overstimulation early and avoid a meltdown completely.
One thing interesting about Maddie and Sia I didn’t think about until I saw a tik tok.. Maddie’s net worth is less than or equal to many of the other dance moms girls (exception of Jojo with the highest net worth of the girls) and you’d think that Maddie having reached Hollywood recognition and respect the earliest, she would have a much larger net worth. And I’m not saying net worth is equal to success BUT... I just think Maddie should have already been on a path to be making so much more money, be in so much more projects than what she has done. So it seems that Sia has also been very controlling over Maddie’s career and probably not letting her do other projects that don’t involve Sia.
yeah! I remember seeing a video from "As Told by Kenya" a year ago (I think she deleted it now) but it was all about what happened to Maddie Ziegler. Maddie was touted to be the next BIG thing. I remember how big she was getting! and then it fizzled out quite a bit... now knowing that Sia is so involved, i wouldn't be shocked if Sia had a huge part to play in that.
I'm about to quote an article on their relationship and what Sia says really speaks to the level of control she has over Maddie and her career. "The singer has shared that she decided that a good way she can keep the dancer safe is “just keep making projects for her and therefore most of the times we’re working together.” Sia has even admitted that she’s tried to keep Ziegler from doing other projects for various reasons." Maddie has a contract with Sia or at least she had one with her at the time of filming the movie. Add that to the familial pressure since Sia is her godmother and the mental breakdowns she had on set make so much sense. I really feel bad for her.
When you asked “Does Maddie have her own agency?” And then clarified my mind immediately wondered: does Maddie have an agent? Any professional ties or network? Or has Sia taken rein of all that for her as well
@@JuliaBoateng this videao is a tabloid shit and you deserve to be sued for calumny, luckily Sia has batter things to do than giving attention to dumb you tubers with zero life experience but too many "opinions". Raise awarness about how not to eat your own snots while talking. Stay in school
@@bella7789 wow, it really seems like it. Ive never seen someone respond so agressively to something that they are not directly involved with. Either Sia or someone in her circle. Creepy.
The biggest red flag about how close their relationship is to me is that it’s not just a friendship; it’s a business transaction. Sia writes Maddie a big fat check.
this honestly reminds me alot of the emotionally abusive relationship I had with my art mentor. she called herself my "second mother", gave me big gifts, called me her best student and taught me a lot of art skills that I use to this day. But she was also extremely moody, often lashed out at me verbally, never apologized but expected me to apologize for the moments I snapped and most of all she held all the good things she did for me over my head whenever she wanted me to do her favours or when I tried to pull away and set boundaries. Lots of guilt tripping, lots of manipulation, setting me against other students, and when I finally decided to break away, the fallout wasn't pretty. All to say: this protective and overly close behaviour of Sia towards Maddie feels very familiar and makes me wonder if bad situations hide behind the curtains just like they did for me. And considering Sia's obsession is much more extreme than that of my mentor, I genuinely fear for Maddie and her mental well-being.
It's a relationship where Sia has all the power and influence. Maddie has to place boundaries which will be hard for her to place since she is as you said a people pleaser.
That's an interesting point. You could compare it to the relationships Victorian writers and artists had with children. They would photograph them, play with them, dress them up, etc. It was obviously innapropriate to us now but back than it was considered a way to appreciate children. Lewis Carrol was one of those people and Alice in Wonderland was based off of one of his child muses. Creepy stuff
she is 18 now and she has a wonderful accomplished life with her boyfriend, the musician Eddie Benjamin - you can follow her on instagram. Worry about your lausy existence
@@lovers_cult you are way to invested into defending sia lmao you're responding to literally every single comment. your arguments are weak and you're not gonna change anyone's mind, just go touch some grass.
I appreciate you talking about these issues in a way that doesn’t exploit the victims more. So many parents don’t deserve children. Protect your precious baby’s.
Reminds me of my abusive friend. I was 17, he was 27, he said stuff kind of like sia says at 2:10 . He controlled my other friendships and manipulated me into doing what he told me to. He eventually outed me when I told him I wanted nothing to do with him anymore. I'm 23 now but the pain doesn't change.
Most older people who befriend or get into relationships with only younger people are like that. Younger people are easier for older people to control.
melissa trusts these adult figures way too much with maddie, i feel like she wanted maddie to be successful and to accomplish her goals and by trying to support her daughter, she was too chill! and i see maddie posting more with people who are a lot older than her than people who are actually her age so idk
such an interesting take! I’ve definitely always side eyed their relationship, but at the end of the day I’ll always also side eye the parent/guardian of the child in a situation like this
Sia is praised by a lot of people since she "saved Maddie from Harvey Weinstein" and even though I get she did the right thing, it's because of that, that some people are blinded of her weird relationship with Maddie. I used to be a huge fan of Sia, her life was depressing, her music inspiring and her style interesting. But then she wrote that super gross movie and I simply unfollowed her on social media. I was shocked that from all celebs she was getting canceled because of her support for the lgbt+ youth and the animals. She's proof that we cannot trust celebrities. Sure, she makes good music, but she's personally very ignorant and I still can't believe it
absolutely, we should never put our trust in these people, because they're human and they're bound to fail at some point! I also agree that people have their blinders on bc of the few things that Sia has done for Maddie. thanks for commenting! ☺️
I don’t think Sia wanted to save her, I think she saw Maddie as the most vulnerable person on the team! Other moms would never co-sign on the stuff Melissa does. Such a weird relationship... what do a teenager and a grown woman who aren’t related have in common to talk about, let alone in quarantine together!!! Ugh
I think it was a combination of her clear skill and vulnerability. In the same way I feel pretty certain she selected her adopted son because he was an aspiring rapper and also clearly in a vulnerable position. The fact that she goes on and on about saving these kids, or rather the way in which she does, feels in an of itself like a way to hold it over them to establish codependence. I'm having trouble finding the article now, I'm only finding ones with the same prepared statements, but there was one I read with a quote from her in which she basically threatened to put him back in foster care if he didn't do things her way. Still trying to find the article so I can share the direct quote because it set off major alarm bells for me.
So sad how things seem to turn out. Mackenzie ended up being more protected because she wasnt the "favorite child", and Maddie was put in more danger/controversial relationships because of her role as the favorite. Being a people's pleaser as a child is so dangerous.
Melissa would pimp out Maddie for a box of magic rocks if that meant she would be Rich and famous Also the fact that sia was messing around with Shia LaBeouf at some point makes the elastic heart video even more sus 🤷🏾♀️
it seems so weird :/ sia saw this little girl dance on tv and then created a way to get close to her by inviting her to dance in her video. and then for sia to be like oh no i feel so guilty for making her famous! i need to protect her and be around her all the time!! it just seems like an excuse to get close to maddie. not to mention the uncomfy power dynamic between a child and someone who credits herself for the child's success.
exactly! I know she probably couldn't have predicted the success of Chandelier, but she HAD to have known that Maddie would've received a ton of exposure REGARDLESS. its definitely fishy... and it puts Maddie in a tough spot. Maddie probably feels that no matter what she NEEDS to be grateful b/c Sia gave her her career.
That makes me think of the time Lilliana from DM also got to be in one of Sias videos and when she got asked what Sia was like, Lilliana said "oh I didn't get to meet her". Isn't that weird?
The fact that Sia forced Maddie to complete Music is frightening. Maddie was upset about the portrayal and had breakdowns about it. She was contractually obligated, by the woman who claims to be her savior.
Sia came out and said she was manipulated into a relationship with Shia labeouf. I dont think that shows Sia to be in the right place to be such a heavy influence in Maddy's life.
Think Sia is working through the abuse she endured by her father by "adopting" Maddie and molding her in her image as a means of healing her wounds. But that's not fair to Maddie, the power dynamic between the two is skewed in Sia's favor and Maddie has been groomed by Sia since she was 11. It doesn't sound like a healthy situation for either of them honestly. No one person can help you heal or work as your be all and end all, that's way too much pressure to put on someone else and that's not how healing works.
You explained the issue really well but I don't think her being an adult has anything to do with it. She is still very young and has been essentially groomed by Sia since she was 11, so even though she's 18 this weird inappropriate relationship has taken over her life and she can't see why it's wrong and needs help to understand that she was taken advantage of.
I believe that she is projecting her own trauma on Maddie she said that the relationship is "healing" to her trauma but I think she just passes it to Maddie. There are so many ways to heal from traumatic experiences and Sia is not doing it right it's not helping her or Maddie to heal
Such a good vid! I love having this convo because sia is a complete hypocrite because she's publicly bashed mj for some false accusations but has had an obsession with this girl since she was 12 and macaulay culkin and maddie are very different to me because mac was only in a project or 2 with mike and maddie is in EVERY SINGLE THING and macaulay still defends michael to this day
let's not compare a man officially accused 4 times of sexual abuse by 4 different kids with a long term collab who turn into a wonderful friendship and family relation. Let's not.
My first time here - hi! Great video. The relationship makes my skin crawl tbh. As for Sia herself...I can’t put my finger on it but something about her just feels off to me, not just eccentricity or whatever, just something not quite right on the mental/emotional front. I hope Maddie gets to become her own adult woman without too many issues from a childhood in the public eye with precious little normalcy.
i think this is creepy because sia is obsessed with a 19 YEAR OLD GIRL and quarantined with her bf. dosent want to do stuff without her either? that is so wrong and creepy. i dont like this its very unusual that sia is obsessed with her. AND THEY CUDDLE? that is strange.
Sia has two kids, never once has she spoken so lovingly and highly of her own kids as she does with Maddie who has parents, its just sad thinking that those kids have to watch sia give all that love and attention to another child who isn't even family
I remember hearing how Maddie actually didn't want to star as "music" in the movie because she felt it was wrong, she even cried as well but because of the contract she has with Sia she had no choice but to star in the movie.
as far as you saying sia was close with maddie but not the other girls- sia stated once on twitter to a fan that she disagreed they were all just as talented as maddie, and believed maddie was the most talented and that’s why she contacted her. she never had a relationship with other dance moms girls
It just gives me chills to read something like that. Its just wrong on so many levels. And goes to prove the fact that sia was kind of like a vulture to maddie and she targeted her specifically. She wasn't looking for the next best dancer for her music videos. She wanted a child like maddie Ziegler to be her go to probably bc she saw how abby did it to maddie for so long and it would be easy to groom her
I knew I wasn't the only one who found this situation questionable! I loved your video! This relationship seems so unhealthy to me! I literally just made a video about this also!!! I'm glad I am not the only one who finds this really strange!
great video. i always get confused when i here the story of sia stopping maddie from getting on a plane with harvery weinsten... like so you knew and weren't gonna protect anyone else just maddie??? just speaks to the entire problem of harvey weinstein in general. i also like that you pointed out how sia did not help any of the other girls just maddie. if she cared so much about the trauma she might have been inclined to help all of them. but i think she liked maddie specifically for other reasons idk
Here's my issue with the Harvey Weinstein thing. First of all, Sia is making all those claims of being Maddie's saviour. Second of all, weren't Harvey Weinstein's shenanigans well known around that time, so what was miss Melissa doing allowing her child on a plane with a known predator
exactly... why was Melissa being so blind? I wonder if she ever thought about that. the fact that a celebrity had to protect your child and YOU couldn't. Smh.
And if they weren’t known at the time, would Sia have stepped in had it been someone else getting on the plane? Or would she only act on that insider industry knowledge for Maddie? She constantly casts herself as this saviour from the danger of the entertainment industry. But when she had another young dancer from Dance Moms in a MV she never actually met the dancer. Where was her protectiveness then? Why wasn’t Sia on set to make sure that dancer was safe?
That scene from the movie where Kate Hudson tackles Maddie is so infuriating. I find so much of Sia's interactions with minors in general very manipulative and controlling. I was recently reading an interview where she was talking about her adopted sons (who she also found watching a reality TV show) and the whole thing feels very possessive and savior complexy.
Just want to comment my support of you and your videos! I found your channel a couple of weeks ago concerning the Olsen twins and I've been hooked since. This is a great video as well. Sia and Maddie's mother have basically treated Maddie as if they're coparents handling their kid after a divorce with the amount of time she's allowed to sleep over alone. They are splitting their time with her. And having Maddie as a minor "snuggle" with Sia as if that's cute...yeah, no thanks. Again, loving your videos!
I’m honestly really worried about her. While I don’t think her mother is terrible, she definitely treats her more like a friend rather than a daughter. And throughout maddies entire life she’s had a much older woman be obsessed with her and basically make Maddies whole life about them (first Abby than Sia) I just feel like she’s never had her own life and I’m afraid she never will because of sia clear obsession and overprotective of her.
Sia is such a strange person. There is two interviews that show some true colors of her: first where she talks about how she invited Maddie's bf (who live in AU) to live with her, she make some comments on how she look at him in the pool and that she interrupted him an Maddie to start singing and be with them, I think she invited him to live with her is a way to assure that Maddie will visit her. She also mentioned how she adopted some teenagers that have live a difficult life and share there mental health struggles and that she said to them that if they don't do what she's said they can go back to the streets, just awful behavior. Also this obsession that she only wants to work with her and how influential she is on Maddie's career is so strange. Sia is obsessed with her same with Abby. I feel bad for Maddie and how she has normalize this strange behavior from adults. About Maddie share by Sia and Melissa I think Melissa said it she also said it when she was on Dance Moms she said that she share her kids with Abby. Love your channel.
having someone’s entire creative career depend on you sounds absolutely terrifying, especially if that person is famous and widely known. it feels like you’d have almost no choice but to just say yes to everything or else that person simply doesn’t create anything or move on with their career. as a people-pleaser myself, like maddie, i really do think if i were in that situation i’d probably just grit my teeth and bare it even if i didn’t want to do it because the guilt of being the reason someone’s career is stifled (especially when that person’s career and work is so intertwined with hers and they’re so close) would be crushing. and with the way she was so apprehensive about doing music it seems like that’s already the case for her…
Sia had to put the cage in because it's a symbol of mk ultra control... She's not the only person who has a bird cage in their music video .. So it makes you think.
no, you moron, you got nothing from Elastic Heart - the cage represent the human mind and Sia and Shia the two states - the adult and the child inside every adult and their contradicting feelings. The adult is kept prisoner by his own limitations and inner struggles and fears and his inner child - represented by Maddie - represents freedom and inocence and bravery. You'are welcome. Please, if you have no education tools to interpret subtle art, at least don't make stupid assumptions.
@@lovers_cult Aline girl.....that is not art. It is an absolute symbolism tactic for MK ultra puppets..peep the "Imagination" podcast on Spotify. Trigger warning: ACTUAL MK ultra survivors mention this..the world is dark. God got us. Happy searching!
I feel like this is an effect of her mother (Melissa) that treat her daughter as friends instead of mother, which cause them, specifically Maddie to get attach to other women as a way of motherly figure. Creating a weird relationship where the older person get too personal. Notice!! That I never said Melissa is a bad mother.
I love the point you make about how if this were a man involved there'd be pitchforks involved. It seems like women get a pass a lot of times. I think it's because in a lot of p*do/grooming cases it's a man involved but that doesn't mean females can't be a perpetrator. An example involves my step-daughter. When she was around 15 years old she was invited to spend the night with a friend of hers (at the time). Her father and I thought nothing of it as we had met the girl and her mother several times and everything seemed fine. So Step-daughter goes over. The friend had gotten some alcohol and hidden it in her room (which kids do at times). Step-daughter and Friend started drinking and after Step-daughter was intoxicated (according to Step-daughter Friend didn't drink as much and didn't appear to be intoxicated much if at all), Friend sexually assaulted her. I was mad but Step-daughter didn't want anything said and no one else seemed worried but, as I pointed out repeatedly, that if this had involved a male friend, everyone (like step-daughter's mom and dad) would have been up in arms, wanting to press charges. But because it involved a female, it wasn't seen as a big of a deal. That's a complete double standard, in my opinion. Maddie's parents didn't seem to find the way Sia was acting to be a huge red flag. I understand Maddie is an adult now but I'm talking about when she was younger. I wonder if Maddie possibly feels indebted to Sia and goes along with whatever Sia wants to do. I truly don't think anything sexual is happening between Sia and Maddie but I think there's definitely some kind of power dynamic at work there. Also did anyone else notice that Sia didn't say anything about correcting people when they assume Sia is Maddie's mother? She just kind of laughed when she mentioned that part. I just get weird "Mommy Dearest" vibes... maybe that's just me tho.
i am very concerned why the mother hasn't taken more control of maddie's life. why is the mother allowing sia to be her child's mother???? what's going on here
Bed sharing is normal with relatives or best friends your age, but my parents never allow me to share a bed with an adult non-relative even if they’re close to them because they are GROWN.
It's so eye opening how this relationship is definitely seen as toxic and manipulative, and there is DEFINITELY people who are in this kind of overpowering dynamic in their everyday life
for sure!! I think if anything we regular people should really learn from these dynamics ans try to spot them in our own lives.. often times when crazy things like this happen it flies way under the radar.
As far as Maddies sense of “agency”, considering the way she’s been treated through her entire social development and was still a child at the time she may not be comfortable saying no to much if it’s going to upset an adult/authority she wants to please.
When you brought up Micheal I was literally thinking the same thing it’s odd when a male does it but when a female does it it’s not weird .. did everyone forget females can also be Predators too
And now there are emotional, physical, and sexual abuse allegations against Shia Labouef from multiple people. From before and after the making of elastic heart.... it’s scary to know that he was around Maddie😣
@@shadesofalisha5321 A girlfriend said it and Sia backed her up saying that during the timeframe that Elastic Heart was being filmed she was secretly dating Shia and he was abusive to her too. Sia said that Shia was originally supposed to be in the movie but they had broken up by the time filming started. Maddie has said that he was polite around her but he smelled horrible.
I agree with the Harvey plane thing. Sia easily could’ve stopped her and left it at that but the fact that she shared it with the world sounds like she’s looking for attention so she can seem like Maddie’s guardian angel or something
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 intro
0:40 who is maddie ziegler, how did she meet sia
1:19 who is sia
1:45 chandelier, and the beginning of maddie and sia's relationship
4:00 elastic heart controversy, and my thoughts on it
6:02 MUSIC controversy
11:31 sia acknowledging the ableism and nepotism she had in casting maddie
12:16 my thoughts on sia's response to the movie, and the way she feels about maddie
14:00 other weird things sia has done for/said to maddie
18:56 final thoughts on maddie and this whole situation
Hi, you were talking about how Asia said she kind of ‘shares’ Maddie with Melissa, and I’m pretty sure I remember something about that on mackzboss’s video about this so maybe go check that out! Anyway great video
Michel Jackson is guilty there is proof and you shouldn’t blame the victims I have to unsubscribe for that
@@annaschadler2339 who is Asia?
@@TayofPentacles lol sorry that was a typo I meant sia
@@leedang3780 She never blamed the victims though...?
It is super weird that Sia ONLY follows Maddie on IG. Not any family? Not any other friends? Not any other coworkers or stars? Not even Kenzie, who is technically also her God-daughter?
yeah, you'd expect her to at LEAST follow Kenzie. it's super weird for sure
@@JuliaBoateng And their mom. WTH
exactly, sia has an obsession with maddie, just like abby did
Now she follows Maddie's boyfriend too smh
@@nikki.55 Urghhhh she probably introduced them!
Here’s the weirdest thing for me: Sia has two kids of her own. Adopted, but still her kids. I’ve never heard Sia speak about her own children as much as she speaks about Maddie. It’s just...so odd.
Really never knew that. Wow just wow. Atleast it makes Maddie sleeping over at Sia's a bit less weird.
Except they still "snuggle in bed" 🤢
she has kids?
Wow I didn’t know that, I thought that maybe Sia was so protective of Maddie because she sees Maddie like her own daughter that she does not have, but now that you say this.. it is odd 😳
Yeah. I thought the same thing. She should really be showering that love and attention on her own children instead of on a girl who has 3 parents. It must suck to be adopted by Sia and watch her be super affectionate to a girl who already has parents.
Honestly, the whole Maddie and Sia situation feels like a case of grooming. Not necessarily in a sexual sense, but Sia has seemingly manipulated Maddie to the point where she relies HEAVILY on Sia and has made them develop a codependent relationship. Sia always HAS to speak for Maddie when Maddie is now a grown girl capable of speaking for herself. I feel that their relationship is now at a point where Maddie feels obligated to stay with Sia and do as Sia pleases because of all Sia has done to help her career get to where it is now. I am disappointed that Melissa just allows all of this to happen. If Maddie were my daughter, I would definitely set BOUNDARIES between my daughter and her employer. They can be friends but "sharing" my daughter would be out of the question.
Yeah for sure! It’s no doubt that Sia has helped Maddie immeasurably throughout the years. But some of the things she says are just extremely off putting , and it makes you wonder just how close they are. There’s no boundaries being put in place.
100% agree. That could not have been said better.
Melissa literally couldn't care less...I remember Maddie crying while dancing and being yelled at because she was sick in Dance moms and Melissa just ignored her as usual
so it’s not grooming...
@@alxandro5504 manipulation I guess you could call it
I feel like Sia is actually holding Maddie back too,
She is in a sense! She has apparently prevented Maddie from taking many opportunities offered to her, thinking Maddie would be too good for them, rather than let Maddie (now an adult) decide for herself.
Sia even said that she creates projects just for Maddie to "ensure" that she is safe and doesn't have to work for anyone else. That sounds manipulative if you ask me 🤦🏽♀️
@@lyramusica4485 stop lying, only lies you spread here! A simple google search, not more, will show you that Maddie has more projects in her carrer no Sia related than projects with Sia! Look at all Maddies accomplisments and do the math if you have any brain, which I doubt
@@lyramusica4485 Yes! I feel the same way and she's creating a very solid image of Maddie where she's seen as Sia's.... (possibly property in a way) and even though I don't blame Maddie,
she's already been involved with problematic performances, which I can't imagine will be better if she keeps working with Sia. Maddie may not even get good offers like she could have otherwise.
@@lovers_cult yes thats not what they are saying ofc she does things outside of sia and maddie has said herself in her book maddies diaries that sia sometimes tells her the roles shes too good for and what not to take
I totally agree! and now all of maddie’s closest friends and family are deeply intertwined with sia as well. literally last week maddie’s boyfriend released a music video with the help of sia
poor maddie has never known a world without older women preying on her success... first abby lee incessantly manipulated her on the show, and now sia oddly protects maddie and treats her inappropriately (in my opinion). I worry that maddie’s professional career will seriously suffer if there ever were to be a rift between her and sia because they’re so deeply intertwined.
Sadly it probably started with her mother too
I think it started with her mom
It definitely started with her mother as well. In her own memoir she even says how Melissa would basically use her as a therapist and tell her about her adult problems, making her feel personally responsible for them.
She also parentified Maddie by having her brush Mackenzie’s hair, make her wash Kenzie’s face, make sure she brushed her teeth and put her to bed, make sure she had her things for school. And then also how Maddie would stay up late and tell her mother she’s drunk too much wine and should go to bed while Melissa uses her as a therapist.
Then later Melissa keeping her in that horrible enviorment at Abby Lee’s studio because Melissa feels some sort of loyalty towards ALDC because she danced with them when she was young and then tried to live vicariously through her older daughter and shoulder the burden on taking care of her most her little sister’s emotional and often her physical needs.
That is SO much to go through when you’re a little girl and then Maddie had the world watching her and this abusive, loud mouthed asshole emotionally manipulating her. She wasn’t able to go to school, was over worked, had no friends or couldn’t make any meaningful connections with the other girls and when she tried to with Kendall they were punished for it by not being allowed to have a duet together for some spiteful, stupid reason before Kendall left the show and both of them were absolutely heartbroken.
I was only 2 years older than Maddie as well and I watched all of this unfold and I was horrified for all of them. Their crying and being ‘sensitive’ really opened my eyes to the similar abuse I went through and showed me that I wasn’t ‘too sensitive’ or dramatic or over reacting to adults screaming insults at me and mistreating me. Lmao Jojo radicalised me with “Well if you yell at me I’m gonna cry”.
My father (an abusive narcissist) was actually a fan of the show and watched it all of the time and that’s how I was able to watch it and would bark at me like Miller did to the girls, even repeating insults and harsh criticisms verbatim to make me become ‘a perfect daughter’ like Maddie because I had never been ‘good’ at anything. He would do that while I was practicing art. And wouldn’t you know it, my asshole father wanted to be an artist at some point in his younger life 🥲
Just disgusting, all of it. Now there’s Sia taking advantage of that poor girl. Maddie has literally been used by every single adult in her life and has never had a safe adult to confide in and that screws you up SO much as a kid. I hope she gets away from Sia, finds peace and gets a good therapist because holy shit, that girl was robbed of her childhood.
@@BriarBeeBenson I'm sorry that happend to u, hopefully your in a better place now
She has natural talent and it’s sad these women cling to her. It’s a bit odd tbh
If Maddie ever disconnects herself from sia it’s kinda scary to wonder how sia would react because she clearly has an obsession💀
the way she went off about Music on twitter.... it really seems like she'd have a meltdown. for maddie's sake I hope that never happens.😭 thanks for watching! 💕
@@JuliaBoateng I know!!! Julia, like she will play the victim, and guilt trip Maddie into coming back to her
Maddies trapped bro
very true and how did she not feel bad for any of the other girls if she loved dance moms what about Chloe or nit etc. Not saying Maddie had it easy abby put way to much on her to be perfect but its strange. Also with only following her and her alone.
Probably the same way Abby reacted, she is so salty and shades the Ziegler’s all the time. I think Maddie went from being manipulated by Abby, to manipulated by SIA.
I’m afraid that Maddie will never walk away from Sia because she saw how fast Abby turned on her when she left ALDC 😢
to be honest I really didn't like her that much on dance moms because of how Abby hurt the other girls in favor of Maddie, but after seeing this video and others about the adults in Maddie's life, I fear for Maddie's well being, Sia is a million times more obsessed than Abby, and her obsession was bad enough, I do hope Maddie breaks away from Sia because Sia is mentally unbalanced, and when she does I hope for once Melissa does her job as a mother and protects Maddie even though she is an adult,
@@mwalker9899 it's all Melissa's fault, she let Abby now Sia obsess over and control Maddie, Abby was bad enough but Sia is a million times worse and I am afraid for Maddie's well being
@@mwalker9899 literally the only person whose word we have on the Eastern Story is Sia's, there's literally nothing to corroborate that that even happened. And it still doesn't excuse the clear lack of boundaries and the control that Sia asserts over Maddie. Like all artist/muse type relatioships there is a clear disparity in the power dynamic and authority one party has over the other.
@@kellymcquay2626 sad for u to dislike her off what another grown person did to a child
@@shimeicareaves what Sia is doing to Maddie is worse than anything Abby ever did
It doesn’t sit right with me that Sia is using Maddie to “heal” from whatever she went through in her past. Like you put this child that you claim to have a need to protect in this controversial situation with a grown man so that you could gain some kind of closure or healing. Then you cast and pressures her to be in a movie that she doesn’t feel comfortable doing, that she cried about doing, just because you couldn’t see anyone else in the role. That just doesn’t sit right with me at all. If she is willing to risk Maddie’s safety, reputation, and potentially mental health for her own gain then I have to question if she really has her best interest in mind. And even if she truly believes she is helping Maddie, intentions don’t matter when your actions are hurting someone.
Well said!
Sia’s unfortunately feeding into and perpetuating the (alleged, i don’t know much about sia) ab**e she experienced. An adult hopefully is able to recognize the cycle they’re a part of if they have the right people, support, and tools to do so - but that’s the ideal situation, not the most common. :( Her USING A CHILD TO “HEAL”??? ma’am... please seek help, Sia.
M Rahim... EXACTLY! 👍
You put it better than I could have ever imagined.
this!!!
A reminder that Maddie was 14 years old when the movie was filmed and Sia is her godmother and I feel like there is a power dynamic in the relationship that especially a 14 year old Maddie probably didn't feel like she could go against Sia and most likely really trusted her.
Yup, absolutely! That’s exactly what I believe happened and I think that’s still happening now
Yes, and Maddie said multiple times that she didn't want to do the role but Sie made her do it nonetheless
The fact that Maddie cried doing the movie because she felt that she was being offensive and Sia still made her do it is just gross
The only person Maddie needs "protection" from is Sia herself lol
Haha honestly
Older woman in itself it seems
Oh my gosh! So true. Poor Maddie
and abby
@@michaelabazaya9667 Abby's out of her life now though fortunately.
Sia said she will never endeavour a project if Maddie is not involved. WTH. That seems like a whole lot of pressure to put on someone. What happens if Maddie wants to do a project where Sia is not involved.
I ask myself the same thing! sounds like Sia's house may become a warzone..
That was my thought exactly! And actually, Sia has gone out of her way to keep Maddie from working on other projects/with other people. She said she knew it would be "bad for Maddie's career".
It’s evident that these issues stem from Melissa’s neglect as a mother. Maddie seeks out mother figures & Sia has taken it to higher levels than Abby ever did. I’m hoping Maddie can finally separate from Sia as a young adult. Sia has issues.
for sure!!
REALLY bad issues
This is not on Maddie. She did not seek any of this out
Wow great point
@@missyelliot6237 TC$x
Maybe Sia sees herself in Maddie. Hence the attachment she has with her. It seems like she’s coddling her in a way that she didn’t receive. I mean I could be way off. Their relationship is very questionable. And there’s definitely a real reason why Sia is connected to Maddie. But if I were Maddie, I’d be running for this hills.
Saaaaame. And that’s a good point. Maybe Maddie is the young girl sia wished she could be if that makes sense.
It’s not her child. I see a lot of people who I see myself in and I’m not out here trying to get them.
Yess, It’s exactly what it is. Also U think she wanted to protected because after that musical video, she knew Maddie would have success but with that came a lot of danger too. The danger of bad people in the business circle.
Let's talk about Maddies mother too though. I feel like she's using her own child for some type of gain. First, Abby using Maddie a *lot.* Then Melissa saying "I share my children with Abby" it didn't seem like nothing at first. Until Sia also quoted something similar in a interview, "Because Melissa let me" she sounded like she was about to say what Melissa said in dance moms, but changed it up as she caught herself. This could example why Melissa pays more attention to Maddie than MacKenzie from what we witnessed.
Melissa tries way too hard to be the cool mum but in reality she just looks like a really shitty mum who doesn't look out for her children enough
Oh yeah Melissa is absolutely a part of the problem. Too many industry parents are more concerned with their brand than the wellbeing of their children.
Thank you! No one ever seems to question her parenting or her letting her daughter be constantly in these situations.
She failed her daughter LONG ago
Yes I don't know parents who let their underaged child stay at a non relative's house & sleep with them in the same bed. Plus why only Maddie her poor sister must feel invincible.
yeah its like shes willing to sell her daughter to anyone for the money and fame
As an autistic person, the Music situation pisses me off like nothing else. I was going to write out an entire ranr but I really feel like you summed up all my thoughts in way fewer words than it would've taken me
It was HORRIBLE
I am also autistic and it actually hurt me to watch
I have friends who are autistic/have Down syndrome, and i, someone who does not have either of those, was deeply offended and wanted to almost cry. People need to educate themselves. As a kid, I was taught what to do and what not to do around someone who had autism, and I knew better than the adults who created MUSIC. And as part of the nuerodivergent community it hurts me to see us so misrepresented.
I'm autistic too. I can't even listen to Sia's music anymore since that dreadful movie came out. I used to be a big fan, but then she showed how ableist and terrible she is.
Same
Sia having sleepovers and sharing a bed and snuggling with Maddie when she was that young is so disturbing. That is just not okay
even dirtier if Sia was a man she was already in jail for all the things she does to Meddie
its very Michael Jackson type of creepy obsession with a child.
@@emiimooredifference is Michael never slept in a bed with a child, sia is worse than that
Unfortunately a lot of adults have questionable relationships with Maddie, it breaks my heart
seriously... I just wanna be like "what gives Melissa?" I feel like Maddie went through a lot even AFTER Dance Moms.
@@JuliaBoateng or the makeup artist that has maddies teeth tattooed on her arm. (Before Maddie got braces)
@@nicoleg7724 ironically, it was sia’s makeup artist😬
@@pinkpearlpages it's still weird and very questionable
@@nicoleg7724 exactly it’s MORE questionable bc of that
i don't think it'd be too crazy to say that sia is quite literally in love with maddie.. in the most unhealthy ways imaginable. I also didn't realize how aloof and out of touch sia was until after the movie came out, so now I'm extra concerned.
honestly! I don't think you'd be too far off to say that. I've never seen someone obsess over one individual THAT much.
totally agree. perfect example of her blind obsession with maddie is that sia only follows 1 account on instagram, which is maddie. this means that she’s the only thing that appears in her feed... I find that so odd imo
@@lanemac wow... I did not know that!
@@JuliaBoateng oh you young lol. It happens a lot. Sometimes it's mutual. When it's not it's stalking.
Isn’t sia maddies godmother? I don’t know but I think she is so saying that their relationship is in a love way is kinda weird
I think this movie was good for ONE THING: it showed how when writing or creating art it’s better to stick to your own experience...”write what you know” as they say. The only person with depth in that movie is Zoo, and the reason is that her experience as a recovering addict is the only one Sia can actually relate to as she’s in recovery herself.
It would have been waaaaay cooler to see a musical about Zoo struggling to overcome her addiction through musical numbers. Maybe she has an autistic sister who helps inspire her to be better, but the sister is more of a supporting role.
that actually sounds great! I think that would've made for a much better film!
I kinda disagree with "write what you know". In general, it limits a lot of creativity. Instead, creators should be encouraged do their research and consult / collaborate with people who have the right skill set and personal experiences.
I know Sia said she researched this movie for years, but idk what she was researching if she didn't know how polarising Autism Speaks was. Whatever research she did, clearly it was incompetent and half-assed. The fact that there was no autistic writers / experts on austin involved was the nail on the coffin.
Creators should not be afraid of making art outside their own experiences, but when they do, they need to be aware of their personal limitation and find others who can help fill in the gaps.
I think Sia had good intentions behind it and listened to the wrong people when researching it. I don’t think her reaction was great when people questioned it. It created a conversation, which isn’t a bad thing. She had a real opportunity to take that and open the dialogue more and I wish she had done that. I did see a number of people commenting that Music was an accurate representation of their autistic child though, so maybe in some cases it was an accurate portrayal of autism. I don’t know enough about it to say for sure though.
@@phadenswandemil4345 I think writing what you know is decent advice for new writers. But yes I think in general you can write outside your experience but with great care and the use of sensitivity readers.
Adults act really weird towards Maddie. It started with her mom then Abbie
Yup, and it’s all bc Melissa allowed it :/
Melissa was grossly motivated all along.
I said the same thing. It's such a double standard. If she were a man it would be a problem.
yup, exaaactly. that's why I brought up MJ, he got destroyed for behavior like this and he ended up being completely innocent.
@@JuliaBoateng he was completely innocent? I’ve heard the rumors and never knew what to think but I never heard of them being debunked. Maybe you can do a video on MJ if u feel like it, I think it would be interesting
@@JuliaBoateng except.. no he wasn't?? MJ was NOT completely innocent. Shut up.
@@millie209 what proof do you have that is so compelling that you just go around telling other people to shut up?
millie u shut up
I believe Sia peeped & acknowledged Abbys obsession with Maddie & used it as an opportunity to take advantage of the situation to become " The New Abby" for Maddie. She seen that Melissa was willing to release parental control & allow Maddie to be in certain situations for success,and thats why she chose Maddie over the other girls. She Seen this opportunity to take advantage of Maddie because Melissa was already allowing Abby do it.
Christi would never have let that happen to Chloe...school mattered more...Not sure it ever mattered to Melissa..
Such a good point, and I’ve thought about that a few times myself! The other girls had really strong opinionated mama bears.. whereas Melissa despised confrontation and speaking up for her kids. It really makes you think.
Exactly! And people with ill intent usually choose children that are "people's pleasers", scared to disappoint adults, etc. Its scary.
@@JuliaBoateng Exactly! Like I can’t see Kira, Kelly, Christi or Holly allowing all that
@@cassiusahab5890 so true. That’s one of the worst things you can do to your kid, make them overly compliant so they get taken advantage of & don’t speak up for themselves
On the topic of the disaster that was "Music", I feel sorry for Maddie the most. Maddie was only 14 years old when the film was made, and Sia should have known better than to thrust Maddie in an awkward position, to the point of her breaking down in tears on set, worried that she'd be making fun of actual autistic people.
right! it's so weird and irresponsible of her... and where was Maddie's mother in all of this to? Probably pushing Maddie to do it anyway.
Even worse is that ALLEDGEDLY (some people debate whether this is true) Sia had hired an autistic girl to play Music but the environment was too stressful for her (understandable with all those flashing lights included in the film!) so she fired her rather than accomadating for her before MAKING Maddie do this role when she was also distressed about it 🤦🏽♀️
@@lyramusica4485 sia didn't fire anyone, that girl said that is too stressful for her and gave up! get your info straight!
I felt bad for Maddie, the fact that she didn't want to do it and was so distressed but sia pushed maddie to do it
But she wants to protect the girl 🙄 how bout you just let her live
I always questioned their relationship, but I thought I was the only creeped out by it.
nope! you're not! a lot has been said on the dance moms Reddit about this situation too.
yea me too actually it seemed like everyone always thought it was so sweet glad people are talking about it now tho
Yea me too I was worried maybe I was reflecting my own trauma unto their relationship but I come to find I’m not the only one with this out look
Maddie was a victim of abuse, as were all the DM Girls. Abby very sneakily abused Maddie and she likely sees Sia as her savior from that abuse. The issue is that Sia is no better than Abby Lee. Sia exploits Maddie to uphold her own privacy. Sia pinpointed Maddie as having the least involved mother and the most fragile psyche. Maddie seems to have had the fear that if she messed up at all, Abby would be awful to her. She likely feels similarly with Sia.
most likely!! I think that's how Sia chose Maddie over everyone else. but even knowing that, what about Kenzie.. her own sister who was raised by the SAME mother? it's all so weird.
how did abby abuse maddie? genuinely asking.
@@Julie86Mac creating a level of isolation that the child feels they cannot even talk to their own parents, that the world is againstThem. Extreme perfectionism, failure causes a breakdown that they will not live up to expectations. If you do this= praise behavior, say no=punishment.
I'm autistic and I've worked in special ed with many autistic kids, and there are so so many ways to safely calm a kid down, from special chairs to safety rooms. I watched part of her movie and it made me cry, it was so upsetting an ableist. Not to mention that Sia compared people with autism to a hat in an interview about the movie. All in all I have absolutely no respect for a person who can make a movie so ableist, dangerous and dehumanising. Her relationship with maddie is highly concerning and honestly the obsession is scary.
I have an autistic niece and the way we calm her down is singing her a lullaby. Of course I am pretty aware that each person is different, but when I saw that clip I felt really bad since my sister in law (my niece's mother) died giving childbirth I been always her babysitter and I can't imagine myself doing what was shown in that movie the maximum thing I have done was trying to cuddle her .
Hi, just trying to educate myself so no negative tone intended!! How would someone calm an autistic child down in an open area like the park that the movie clip was in? Obviously you shouldn't pin them down like Sia demonstrated, you shouldn't pin any kid down to be frank, but if there was no backup plan what would happen?
@@avitheofficial7014 honestly, it depends on how well you know the kid to gauge what they need. Autistic individuals will most likely show signs that they're becoming overstimulated, so avoiding a meltdown is your best option, and this can be done in many different ways.
But lets say you've missed the signs: Some people when in the middle of a meltdown want to be hugged, some distracted (if you know the person well you probably know their special interests and could use that), you could use fidget toys, sensory videos, headphones, sunglasses, food or a drink etc. If you're worried about the child's safety (let's say the park is surrounded by a road or something) you could take the child's hand or carry them to a quieter corner/place.
From my experience kids (with autism) enjoy being carried, often on your back, to feel a sense of safety, comfort, and distance between themselves and the overstimulating situation. The world is already way more overwhelming when you're a child, so the extra hight helps. Again this all depends on the child, because some don't want to be touched at all.
Pinning a child in the midst of a meltdown down is extremely dangerous and traumatising and will harm your relationship with them, but if the child is running toward a busy road, their safety obviously comes first, but avoid placing your weight on a child at all costs and carry them instead. My best advice is to do research and observe a child to be able to catch symptoms of overstimulation early and avoid a meltdown completely.
@@miminaomi9844 Thank you so much! knowledge is power :>
One thing interesting about Maddie and Sia I didn’t think about until I saw a tik tok.. Maddie’s net worth is less than or equal to many of the other dance moms girls (exception of Jojo with the highest net worth of the girls) and you’d think that Maddie having reached Hollywood recognition and respect the earliest, she would have a much larger net worth. And I’m not saying net worth is equal to success BUT... I just think Maddie should have already been on a path to be making so much more money, be in so much more projects than what she has done. So it seems that Sia has also been very controlling over Maddie’s career and probably not letting her do other projects that don’t involve Sia.
yeah! I remember seeing a video from "As Told by Kenya" a year ago (I think she deleted it now) but it was all about what happened to Maddie Ziegler. Maddie was touted to be the next BIG thing. I remember how big she was getting! and then it fizzled out quite a bit... now knowing that Sia is so involved, i wouldn't be shocked if Sia had a huge part to play in that.
I'm about to quote an article on their relationship and what Sia says really speaks to the level of control she has over Maddie and her career. "The singer has shared that she decided that a good way she can keep the dancer safe is “just keep making projects for her and therefore most of the times we’re working together.” Sia has even admitted that she’s tried to keep Ziegler from doing other projects for various reasons." Maddie has a contract with Sia or at least she had one with her at the time of filming the movie. Add that to the familial pressure since Sia is her godmother and the mental breakdowns she had on set make so much sense. I really feel bad for her.
When you asked “Does Maddie have her own agency?” And then clarified my mind immediately wondered: does Maddie have an agent? Any professional ties or network? Or has Sia taken rein of all that for her as well
that's a good question.. I'm not sure. I'm willing to bet Sia has a large hand in that tho.
@@JuliaBoateng I've heard she's her legal guardian I think too
@@estopesto2647 isn’t she 18 now ?
@@estopesto2647 She wasn’t her legal guardian but she was her godmother
@@rissadp-m2679 She is, and she will be 19 this year.
Great video- this is so weird tbh!! Hollywood is so weird. Protect the children. This video will raise awareness!
thank you!! and I hope so!
@@JuliaBoateng this videao is a tabloid shit and you deserve to be sued for calumny, luckily Sia has batter things to do than giving attention to dumb you tubers with zero life experience but too many "opinions". Raise awarness about how not to eat your own snots while talking. Stay in school
@@lovers_cult what😂😂 how much you wanna bet you’re sia undercover trying to protect your name🤡
@@bella7789 wow, it really seems like it. Ive never seen someone respond so agressively to something that they are not directly involved with. Either Sia or someone in her circle. Creepy.
@@cassiusahab5890 exactly. very weird
The biggest red flag about how close their relationship is to me is that it’s not just a friendship; it’s a business transaction. Sia writes Maddie a big fat check.
this honestly reminds me alot of the emotionally abusive relationship I had with my art mentor. she called herself my "second mother", gave me big gifts, called me her best student and taught me a lot of art skills that I use to this day. But she was also extremely moody, often lashed out at me verbally, never apologized but expected me to apologize for the moments I snapped and most of all she held all the good things she did for me over my head whenever she wanted me to do her favours or when I tried to pull away and set boundaries. Lots of guilt tripping, lots of manipulation, setting me against other students, and when I finally decided to break away, the fallout wasn't pretty.
All to say: this protective and overly close behaviour of Sia towards Maddie feels very familiar and makes me wonder if bad situations hide behind the curtains just like they did for me. And considering Sia's obsession is much more extreme than that of my mentor, I genuinely fear for Maddie and her mental well-being.
It's a relationship where Sia has all the power and influence. Maddie has to place boundaries which will be hard for her to place since she is as you said a people pleaser.
absolutely!!!
I don’t know if this is really just love for her. From my point of view it seems like an obsession, like maddie is her muse or something
Sia literally said that Maddie was her muse in and interview
That's an interesting point. You could compare it to the relationships Victorian writers and artists had with children. They would photograph them, play with them, dress them up, etc. It was obviously innapropriate to us now but back than it was considered a way to appreciate children. Lewis Carrol was one of those people and Alice in Wonderland was based off of one of his child muses. Creepy stuff
Sía said that she was her muse and she wants to create projects for her and doesn't want to work with anyone else. So strange.
the fact that Sia has two teenage sons and she doesn't even follow them on instagram is shocking to me
We all know if Sia was a grown man, way more people would be talking about how their relationship is weird as hell
Ma'am your eyes tho theyre so pretty
thank youuuuu :)
I agree 😍 and her skin glowingggg
@@lovers_cult lol are you done spamming my comment section now? I really appreciate the help you’re offering to the algorithm.
@@pseudonymphmusic7721 I agree as well 😎
Yasss. Sis is beautiful 😍
I totally agree with you it’s so weird and I’m worried about her too. She is a child star after all:/
yes! her and kenzie... they went through soooo much. hollywood really isn't safe for any child
she is 18 now and she has a wonderful accomplished life with her boyfriend, the musician Eddie Benjamin - you can follow her on instagram. Worry about your lausy existence
@@lovers_cult you are way to invested into defending sia lmao you're responding to literally every single comment. your arguments are weak and you're not gonna change anyone's mind, just go touch some grass.
@@xubs5919 lmaooo “just go touch some grass” that’s SOO creative 🙅🏾♀️💀😭😹😹
The Sia and Maddie Ziegler “relationship” has always creeped me out. Women can be predatory, too.
I agree
So true
I appreciate you talking about these issues in a way that doesn’t exploit the victims more. So many parents don’t deserve children. Protect your precious baby’s.
Reminds me of my abusive friend. I was 17, he was 27, he said stuff kind of like sia says at 2:10 . He controlled my other friendships and manipulated me into doing what he told me to. He eventually outed me when I told him I wanted nothing to do with him anymore. I'm 23 now but the pain doesn't change.
Most older people who befriend or get into relationships with only younger people are like that. Younger people are easier for older people to control.
Such a good comparison to MJ and Macauley Culkin, I never thought of it that way before
yup, actually MJ was the first person I thought of when I started diving deeper into this Sia thing.
Leaving Neverland vibes forsure!
@Ugh honestly mj didnt do shit yet people still believe it and there no evidence on mj so
@Ugh if you take everything so personal then get off the internet.
Why y’all always gotta bring up mj
melissa trusts these adult figures way too much with maddie, i feel like she wanted maddie to be successful and to accomplish her goals and by trying to support her daughter, she was too chill! and i see maddie posting more with people who are a lot older than her than people who are actually her age so idk
such an interesting take! I’ve definitely always side eyed their relationship, but at the end of the day I’ll always also side eye the parent/guardian of the child in a situation like this
definitely, melissa was looking to find any way to make her girls (more specifically maddie) famous
Sia is praised by a lot of people since she "saved Maddie from Harvey Weinstein" and even though I get she did the right thing, it's because of that, that some people are blinded of her weird relationship with Maddie.
I used to be a huge fan of Sia, her life was depressing, her music inspiring and her style interesting. But then she wrote that super gross movie and I simply unfollowed her on social media. I was shocked that from all celebs she was getting canceled because of her support for the lgbt+ youth and the animals. She's proof that we cannot trust celebrities. Sure, she makes good music, but she's personally very ignorant and I still can't believe it
absolutely, we should never put our trust in these people, because they're human and they're bound to fail at some point! I also agree that people have their blinders on bc of the few things that Sia has done for Maddie. thanks for commenting! ☺️
I went off her for her friendship with Scooter..and the Shia Le Beouf video was just wrong.
The movie made me see her in whole a new light
I relate sooo much... I was a huge despite her Maddie obsession but then that movie came out...
This makes me think that no one should be that famous and influential in the first place
I don’t think Sia wanted to save her, I think she saw Maddie as the most vulnerable person on the team! Other moms would never co-sign on the stuff Melissa does. Such a weird relationship... what do a teenager and a grown woman who aren’t related have in common to talk about, let alone in quarantine together!!! Ugh
It's totally in-character for Melissa to allow this situation to happen.
I think it was a combination of her clear skill and vulnerability. In the same way I feel pretty certain she selected her adopted son because he was an aspiring rapper and also clearly in a vulnerable position. The fact that she goes on and on about saving these kids, or rather the way in which she does, feels in an of itself like a way to hold it over them to establish codependence. I'm having trouble finding the article now, I'm only finding ones with the same prepared statements, but there was one I read with a quote from her in which she basically threatened to put him back in foster care if he didn't do things her way. Still trying to find the article so I can share the direct quote because it set off major alarm bells for me.
@@oddmnemosyne2869 woww!! that's a good point it makes so much sense 😔 free those kids
@@HyperboreaFlashes it's so twisted!! like is the fame and fortune really worth it at this point
@Console Queen i can't believe ppl like this exist in the world
So sad how things seem to turn out. Mackenzie ended up being more protected because she wasnt the "favorite child", and Maddie was put in more danger/controversial relationships because of her role as the favorite. Being a people's pleaser as a child is so dangerous.
Parents even playing “favorites” with their children is abusive 🤦🏻♀️ ugh
Melissa would pimp out Maddie for a box of magic rocks if that meant she would be Rich and famous
Also the fact that sia was messing around with Shia LaBeouf at some point makes the elastic heart video even more sus 🤷🏾♀️
it seems so weird :/ sia saw this little girl dance on tv and then created a way to get close to her by inviting her to dance in her video. and then for sia to be like oh no i feel so guilty for making her famous! i need to protect her and be around her all the time!! it just seems like an excuse to get close to maddie. not to mention the uncomfy power dynamic between a child and someone who credits herself for the child's success.
exactly! I know she probably couldn't have predicted the success of Chandelier, but she HAD to have known that Maddie would've received a ton of exposure REGARDLESS. its definitely fishy... and it puts Maddie in a tough spot. Maddie probably feels that no matter what she NEEDS to be grateful b/c Sia gave her her career.
That makes me think of the time Lilliana from DM also got to be in one of Sias videos and when she got asked what Sia was like, Lilliana said "oh I didn't get to meet her". Isn't that weird?
Exactly poor kid
Giving me very much Mille Bobby and Drake
wait what happened between them??
The fact that Sia forced Maddie to complete Music is frightening. Maddie was upset about the portrayal and had breakdowns about it. She was contractually obligated, by the woman who claims to be her savior.
Sia came out and said she was manipulated into a relationship with Shia labeouf.
I dont think that shows Sia to be in the right place to be such a heavy influence in Maddy's life.
yeah, sounds like poor judgement on sia’s part for sure
Yea, but Shia is a narcissist. His talent is to manipulate. That is how he @b*sed his ex.
@@milkandspice1074 yup, definitely not arguing that he has serious issues.
The "I can't work without her, she's my muse" thing sounds like something you'd hear in a romance movie. Sia, are you in love with this young woman?
Think Sia is working through the abuse she endured by her father by "adopting" Maddie and molding her in her image as a means of healing her wounds.
But that's not fair to Maddie, the power dynamic between the two is skewed in Sia's favor and Maddie has been groomed by Sia since she was 11.
It doesn't sound like a healthy situation for either of them honestly.
No one person can help you heal or work as your be all and end all, that's way too much pressure to put on someone else and that's not how healing works.
You explained the issue really well but I don't think her being an adult has anything to do with it. She is still very young and has been essentially groomed by Sia since she was 11, so even though she's 18 this weird inappropriate relationship has taken over her life and she can't see why it's wrong and needs help to understand that she was taken advantage of.
the fact that melissa encourages all the unhealthy relationships maddie has with older women is so sad
very sad!! it's like does she not see anything shady with it??
I believe that she is projecting her own trauma on Maddie she said that the relationship is "healing" to her trauma but I think she just passes it to Maddie. There are so many ways to heal from traumatic experiences and Sia is not doing it right it's not helping her or Maddie to heal
Such a good vid! I love having this convo because sia is a complete hypocrite because she's publicly bashed mj for some false accusations but has had an obsession with this girl since she was 12 and macaulay culkin and maddie are very different to me because mac was only in a project or 2 with mike and maddie is in EVERY SINGLE THING and macaulay still defends michael to this day
Yes, very true!! Thank you! :)
let's not compare a man officially accused 4 times of sexual abuse by 4 different kids with a long term collab who turn into a wonderful friendship and family relation. Let's not.
@@lovers_cult falsely accused with no proof, I'm not having this argument
Also Corey Feldman defends him and he calls out all the Ps in HW
My first time here - hi! Great video. The relationship makes my skin crawl tbh. As for Sia herself...I can’t put my finger on it but something about her just feels off to me, not just eccentricity or whatever, just something not quite right on the mental/emotional front. I hope Maddie gets to become her own adult woman without too many issues from a childhood in the public eye with precious little normalcy.
Thank you! And yes I agree! She seems like a sweet person at heart. But its like she’s a pawn in these older people’s game.
i think this is creepy because sia is obsessed with a 19 YEAR OLD GIRL and quarantined with her bf. dosent want to do stuff without her either? that is so wrong and creepy. i dont like this its very unusual that sia is obsessed with her. AND THEY CUDDLE? that is strange.
yeah its really bizarre!
Sia has two kids, never once has she spoken so lovingly and highly of her own kids as she does with Maddie who has parents, its just sad thinking that those kids have to watch sia give all that love and attention to another child who isn't even family
I remember hearing how Maddie actually didn't want to star as "music" in the movie because she felt it was wrong, she even cried as well but because of the contract she has with Sia she had no choice but to star in the movie.
I just now subscribed hell yea this is the content i need
awww thank you! welcome to the fam!
I remember hearing a clip that Sia has t-shirts that say “co-Mom”.
Oh wow. That’s wild !
bonus Mom - awful, indeed - jeez!
You covered this subject really well and without putting blame on Maddie herself, thank you!
as far as you saying sia was close with maddie but not the other girls- sia stated once on twitter to a fan that she disagreed they were all just as talented as maddie, and believed maddie was the most talented and that’s why she contacted her. she never had a relationship with other dance moms girls
Wow, she said that openly?? That the other girls weren’t as talented? Smh 🤦🏿♀️
It just gives me chills to read something like that. Its just wrong on so many levels. And goes to prove the fact that sia was kind of like a vulture to maddie and she targeted her specifically. She wasn't looking for the next best dancer for her music videos. She wanted a child like maddie Ziegler to be her go to probably bc she saw how abby did it to maddie for so long and it would be easy to groom her
I knew I wasn't the only one who found this situation questionable! I loved your video! This relationship seems so unhealthy to me! I literally just made a video about this also!!! I'm glad I am not the only one who finds this really strange!
Oh wow! I’ll definitely check it out!! ❤️
@@JuliaBoateng Thanks you so much!!!
great video. i always get confused when i here the story of sia stopping maddie from getting on a plane with harvery weinsten... like so you knew and weren't gonna protect anyone else just maddie??? just speaks to the entire problem of harvey weinstein in general. i also like that you pointed out how sia did not help any of the other girls just maddie. if she cared so much about the trauma she might have been inclined to help all of them. but i think she liked maddie specifically for other reasons idk
The quote was said by SIA... I’m pretty sure that she said in an interview « I’m thankful that Melissa let me share Maddie with her »
yeah I found it! thank you!!
Jesus, that's gross.. "share Maddie"?? She's not some kind of trophy you can have, she was a CHILD. This woman has problems
Here's my issue with the Harvey Weinstein thing. First of all, Sia is making all those claims of being Maddie's saviour. Second of all, weren't Harvey Weinstein's shenanigans well known around that time, so what was miss Melissa doing allowing her child on a plane with a known predator
exactly... why was Melissa being so blind? I wonder if she ever thought about that. the fact that a celebrity had to protect your child and YOU couldn't. Smh.
@@JuliaBoateng he was a predator, and had nothing to do with dance or performance. WHAT WAS THE REASON
And if they weren’t known at the time, would Sia have stepped in had it been someone else getting on the plane? Or would she only act on that insider industry knowledge for Maddie? She constantly casts herself as this saviour from the danger of the entertainment industry. But when she had another young dancer from Dance Moms in a MV she never actually met the dancer. Where was her protectiveness then? Why wasn’t Sia on set to make sure that dancer was safe?
That scene from the movie where Kate Hudson tackles Maddie is so infuriating.
I find so much of Sia's interactions with minors in general very manipulative and controlling.
I was recently reading an interview where she was talking about her adopted sons (who she also found watching a reality TV show) and the whole thing feels very possessive and savior complexy.
yeah!! I think she has a lot of her own trauma she HASN'T worked through, and she's using teenagers to help her cope.
I *LOVEEEE* love LOVE that little tiny microphone it's so cute
😭💗
The Sia-Maddie relationship gives serious Humbert Humbert-Lolita's vibes.
Sia's so weird dude, something is just off
Just want to comment my support of you and your videos! I found your channel a couple of weeks ago concerning the Olsen twins and I've been hooked since. This is a great video as well. Sia and Maddie's mother have basically treated Maddie as if they're coparents handling their kid after a divorce with the amount of time she's allowed to sleep over alone. They are splitting their time with her. And having Maddie as a minor "snuggle" with Sia as if that's cute...yeah, no thanks.
Again, loving your videos!
yes, absolutely...their relationship is incredibly inappropriate! and aww thank you sooo much for supporting me! welcome aboard :)
I’m honestly really worried about her. While I don’t think her mother is terrible, she definitely treats her more like a friend rather than a daughter. And throughout maddies entire life she’s had a much older woman be obsessed with her and basically make Maddies whole life about them (first Abby than Sia) I just feel like she’s never had her own life and I’m afraid she never will because of sia clear obsession and overprotective of her.
You look and sound great Julia! You are KILLIN it!
Awww I love you!!! 🥰
Sia is such a strange person. There is two interviews that show some true colors of her: first where she talks about how she invited Maddie's bf (who live in AU) to live with her, she make some comments on how she look at him in the pool and that she interrupted him an Maddie to start singing and be with them, I think she invited him to live with her is a way to assure that Maddie will visit her. She also mentioned how she adopted some teenagers that have live a difficult life and share there mental health struggles and that she said to them that if they don't do what she's said they can go back to the streets, just awful behavior. Also this obsession that she only wants to work with her and how influential she is on Maddie's career is so strange. Sia is obsessed with her same with Abby. I feel bad for Maddie and how she has normalize this strange behavior from adults.
About Maddie share by Sia and Melissa I think Melissa said it she also said it when she was on Dance Moms she said that she share her kids with Abby. Love your channel.
having someone’s entire creative career depend on you sounds absolutely terrifying, especially if that person is famous and widely known. it feels like you’d have almost no choice but to just say yes to everything or else that person simply doesn’t create anything or move on with their career. as a people-pleaser myself, like maddie, i really do think if i were in that situation i’d probably just grit my teeth and bare it even if i didn’t want to do it because the guilt of being the reason someone’s career is stifled (especially when that person’s career and work is so intertwined with hers and they’re so close) would be crushing. and with the way she was so apprehensive about doing music it seems like that’s already the case for her…
Sia had to put the cage in because it's a symbol of mk ultra control... She's not the only person who has a bird cage in their music video .. So it makes you think.
👀👀 food for thought...
no, you moron, you got nothing from Elastic Heart - the cage represent the human mind and Sia and Shia the two states - the adult and the child inside every adult and their contradicting feelings. The adult is kept prisoner by his own limitations and inner struggles and fears and his inner child - represented by Maddie - represents freedom and inocence and bravery. You'are welcome. Please, if you have no education tools to interpret subtle art, at least don't make stupid assumptions.
Was Miley trying to tell us something with the “Can’t Be Tamed” music video...? 🤭
@@lovers_cult Aline girl.....that is not art. It is an absolute symbolism tactic for MK ultra puppets..peep the "Imagination" podcast on Spotify. Trigger warning: ACTUAL MK ultra survivors mention this..the world is dark. God got us. Happy searching!
@@HD-rj4cb bro if you’re gonna accuse someone of mk ultra control don’t cite a fucking podcast
Not me finding your olsen twins video about to binge the hell outta your channel
I feel like this is an effect of her mother (Melissa) that treat her daughter as friends instead of mother, which cause them, specifically Maddie to get attach to other women as a way of motherly figure. Creating a weird relationship where the older person get too personal.
Notice!! That I never said Melissa is a bad mother.
I agree!! I remember Melissa said on a podcast I believe? she said that Maddie runs the house. its sad.
@@JuliaBoateng yeah :< the MOM is supposed to run the house not her child 🤦♀️
Don’t be too afraid of saying someone is a bad parent if they... are. Just saying. It’s not like a rule that you can never say that.
I love the point you make about how if this were a man involved there'd be pitchforks involved. It seems like women get a pass a lot of times. I think it's because in a lot of p*do/grooming cases it's a man involved but that doesn't mean females can't be a perpetrator.
An example involves my step-daughter. When she was around 15 years old she was invited to spend the night with a friend of hers (at the time). Her father and I thought nothing of it as we had met the girl and her mother several times and everything seemed fine. So Step-daughter goes over. The friend had gotten some alcohol and hidden it in her room (which kids do at times). Step-daughter and Friend started drinking and after Step-daughter was intoxicated (according to Step-daughter Friend didn't drink as much and didn't appear to be intoxicated much if at all), Friend sexually assaulted her.
I was mad but Step-daughter didn't want anything said and no one else seemed worried but, as I pointed out repeatedly, that if this had involved a male friend, everyone (like step-daughter's mom and dad) would have been up in arms, wanting to press charges. But because it involved a female, it wasn't seen as a big of a deal. That's a complete double standard, in my opinion.
Maddie's parents didn't seem to find the way Sia was acting to be a huge red flag. I understand Maddie is an adult now but I'm talking about when she was younger. I wonder if Maddie possibly feels indebted to Sia and goes along with whatever Sia wants to do. I truly don't think anything sexual is happening between Sia and Maddie but I think there's definitely some kind of power dynamic at work there. Also did anyone else notice that Sia didn't say anything about correcting people when they assume Sia is Maddie's mother? She just kind of laughed when she mentioned that part. I just get weird "Mommy Dearest" vibes... maybe that's just me tho.
So grateful for those who speak out on this!! Children in hollywood deserve more autonomy over their own lives.
i am very concerned why the mother hasn't taken more control of maddie's life. why is the mother allowing sia to be her child's mother???? what's going on here
No reason a child should have to act out any ones horror in a cage.
Bed sharing is normal with relatives or best friends your age, but my parents never allow me to share a bed with an adult non-relative even if they’re close to them because they are GROWN.
It's so eye opening how this relationship is definitely seen as toxic and manipulative, and there is DEFINITELY people who are in this kind of overpowering dynamic in their everyday life
for sure!! I think if anything we regular people should really learn from these dynamics ans try to spot them in our own lives.. often times when crazy things like this happen it flies way under the radar.
I never even thought about this..... but your video just popped up on my recommendation I subscribed💗
awww welcome to the fam gloria! 💕
15:27 THANK you for giving that some light and voice only QUEENs see his innocence
my heart is especially sore for people-pleasing kids. i was one too and i still struggle with it.
I was like that as a kid too! I wish someone had been an advocate for Maddie.
Ur so underated
thank youuu Macey! YT is a grind for sure hahaha
As far as Maddies sense of “agency”, considering the way she’s been treated through her entire social development and was still a child at the time she may not be comfortable saying no to much if it’s going to upset an adult/authority she wants to please.
I love how you articulate yourself & your voice is so calming 😌
When you brought up Micheal I was literally thinking the same thing it’s odd when a male does it but when a female does it it’s not weird .. did everyone forget females can also be Predators too
Woah great analysis 👏
thank you Hannah!! ❤️
shitty anlysis
And now there are emotional, physical, and sexual abuse allegations against Shia Labouef from multiple people. From before and after the making of elastic heart.... it’s scary to know that he was around Maddie😣
Are there? Oh wow I didn’t know
@@shadesofalisha5321 A girlfriend said it and Sia backed her up saying that during the timeframe that Elastic Heart was being filmed she was secretly dating Shia and he was abusive to her too. Sia said that Shia was originally supposed to be in the movie but they had broken up by the time filming started. Maddie has said that he was polite around her but he smelled horrible.
I found your channel bc of the Mary Kate and Ashley video you did, and I'm just binging through videos right now😌
I agree with the Harvey plane thing. Sia easily could’ve stopped her and left it at that but the fact that she shared it with the world sounds like she’s looking for attention so she can seem like Maddie’s guardian angel or something
I definitely agree with you! It’s weird and creepy and I don’t understand why she isn’t called out for it