In Death, THE LADY-IN-GAZE at Mount Carmel Cemetery - Part 8. IS SHE DEAD or ALIVE?
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Is 55 year old Teresa D’Amato photographed earlier in life, used for her gravestone image - or was she posed in that gravestone picture AFTER her death?
What do you think? The video zooms in with 4K clarity.
You judge.
Teresa D'Amato died 2 weeks before her 56th birthday.
There may be other examples in these episodes of people THAT ARE POSED AFTER DEATH IN THEIR GRAVESTONE PICTURES. Keep an eye out throughout all of these production.
THE MAUSOLEUM WE LOOKED INSIDE: Obituary
FELICETTI
Private Peter Felicetti, at Camp Jackson, So. Carolina, beloved son of Mrs. Rose Gentile, fond brother of Theresa and Caroline Felicetti. Funeral Saturday at 9:30 a.m. from the late residence, 839 S. Wabash-av., to St. Peter's Church, where solemn requiem high mass will be celebrated; by autos to Aurora-Elgin R. R., Wells-st. station. Interment at Mt. Carmel. Special train leaves promptly at 1:30 p.m.
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This is Part 8 at Mount Carmel Cemetery in Hillside, Illinois.
Links to prior related Mount Carmel Cemetery episodes:
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The Angel face you see is the Haserot, named “The Angel of Death Victorious". The stoic angel is seated on the marble gravestone of canning entrepreneur Francis Haserot and his family. Holding an extinguished torch upside-down, it represents a symbol of life extinguished. Wings are outstretched and the gaze is straight ahead.
IN THE END, DEATH ALWAYS WINS. LEST THE FACES NOT BE FORGOTTEN...
This channel is focused on casually walking and viewing a handful of the thousands of forgotten names and faces at various cemeteries near and afar. Seeing their faces up close. And when able, telling the stories behind their names.
Most graves are unknown and lost to history.
Some are famous.
And some infamous....
....and some with tragic endings.
#Graves #Cemeteries #Death
What does brings us here? What draws me back to exploration of cemeteries and Mausoleums? I love the peace , serenity and the beauty of the cemeteries. Why are all the old tree usually twisted in strange shapes and directions. Is the the body breaking down into the soil and fertilizing them??
You just Said what I Think and Feel
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The trees are very old!
The history to me, is what draws me to these videos.
Remembering that these people once lived, were flesh and bone as we are now, and their spirits are now gone to their eternal homes, and that some day we will join them.
Also, the beauty of the old headstones, and the sense of peace and rest.
" Remember mortal man, as you pass by,
as you are now, so once was I.
As I am now, so you must be.
Prepare for death, and follow me."
The only way the human bodies can be fertilizing the soil would be digging a hole in the ground. Only placing the body without embalming fluid into the hole and covering it with dirt. Wood coffins are able to break down. Most burials bodies are embalmed and placed into metal coffins and then into concrete vaults.
I am fairly sure Teresa’s photo is post mortem. Her eyes and the way her head is tilted back certainly looks like it. The cemetery is amazing, I just love the photos of the people and seeing their clothes and hair and those mustaches on some of the men are the best. The statues and mausoleums are so interesting, the detail and workmanship is beautiful. Thank you for the tour, always interesting. 💗👏🏻😊
Every time I see this cemetery, I want to go back there again. Such beautiful works of art in this place. It's like a big outdoor museum. Plus, it reminds me of being a kid and going here after church with my parents at least once or twice a month. Afterwards, my dad would drive to an Italian bakery to buy a couple of loaves of fresh Italian bread, still hot right out of the oven. We'd all eat a loaf of it on the way home. It's sounds weird to say, but I have some great childhood memories because of this place.
Beautiful cemetery. I have my son liking to walk around with me looking at head stones and wondering who the people were. It's peaceful. I love your channel. You go for me.
That lady whose photo was taken after her death: - photographs were very expensive to take many years ago so there was probably no photo of her taken in life, especially if she was poor. The family got one taken of her after she passed so they would have a permanent memory of her...
I love to see the old pictures, it's really a time capsule. Thank you sir for your time, to show us these beautiful faces and monuments. Regards from Brazil
Did a check on ancestry and the Ascerenza photo is Marcus Ascerenza May 2, 1894 - July 21, 1918. He was from Chicago, in the Army, and died at Camp Grant, Winnebago, Illinois. The find a grave site includes a small metal footer stone with his name and dates.
cool nice work!!
I told my wife watching the last video that not very many people smiled back in the day. So I decided to look at some old photos of family members back in the 20’s to the 60’s and it was around the late 1930’s when I noticed more people smiling. Strange
This was due to the long exposure times needed for the photos back then. Smiling for too long caused smeared photos of the mouth due to movement of the lips form the person's lip muscles tiring, so they were told to hold a normal straight face. as exposure times became quicker people had time to hold a smile much easier.
Also, you can tell Posed In Death pics by the clarity of the image over a live person who's small little movements caused some blurring on their images.
Yes. Teresa D'Amato's photo looks like a death photo like the Victorian Era.
People didn't smile in earlier photos because they had to sit REAL STILL for some minutes while the camera's lens cap was off to allow the light in and capture the image.
I'm not an architect but, I love that you are, and I'm enjoying your appreciation of the architecture of these old headstones and Mausoleums.
Beautiful cemetery, love the old monuments, true craftsmanship!
Amy is right! 1800s they took pictures of the deceased with the families. The eyes are a dead giveaway. No pun intended.
Merry Christmas and thank you for your videos....so interesting.
Yes, Teresa was death posed. My father told me ( would be 97 in 2020), when he was young many in his family believed it was wrong to look straight into the camera and NEVER smile. You were supposed to look dignified but never look into the lens. Something about the camera having the ability to see the soul.
I remember hearing something similar to that. It would take so long for the photograph to print that they held a resting face so the mouth wouldn't be blurry henceforth no smiling. Interesting stuff Have a Merry Christmas! :-)
Imagine sitting for a good 45 minutes....apparently they would give the kids alcohol......
@@auntsally3058 that one I never heard. But I certainly don't doubt it!
That small mausoleum was really beautiful just for the 2 of them.
I think I've told you before, but I really enjoy your vlogs. I find myself watching them more then once because of the great info, and history. Great work and thank you.✌✌
What amazes me as they have these amazing pictures or portraits of the people on the gravestone how did they do that back then and how do they put it there to preserve it so well like these pictures are in sunlight all the time for so many years and yet those pictures are excellent on the Headstones normally the UV light destroys that stuff
Black n white photos last for years compared to coloured ones.
What a beautiful resting place for the dearly departed people.
I think she's dead because of her eyes.
I’ve been to the Bishops Row at Mt. Carmel. The first mausoleum that you showed has a crypt that is cracked. Enjoyed video. Yes, I think the lady is in a death pose.
I'm jealous Jim, you got "IN"!
I hear it is amazing inside...
Bishop's mausoleum on the hill is so grand and pretty. The pictures of the people really brings to life/personalizes the graves.
I love old cemeteries i always like to visit old graves thanks Ron and I hope you are feeling better 💖
Definitely should come back and do more videos. Love the photos and seeing how times have changed. Thank you for sharing. Have a safe and happy holiday season 🎄
I want to thank you for the respect you give the decedants. I just wished that we knew thier stories, theres a lot of history in cemeteries. Keep up the good work!
That lady does look posed in death.
I asked my mom why no one smiled in pictures ages ago and she said it was because times were hard and there wasn’t much to smile about. It makes sense.
also, they considered it disrespectful to smile for a camera, a new invention and novelty. pictures were very very expensive, so no fooling around for your one picture I guess.
@@FacesoftheForgotten, the more obvious reason was the longer exposure times needed to produce the photo. Sometimes up to 5min back then. You try holding a smile for a picture for that long without moving your lips! lol This is why they were told to hold a natural facial pose as to not blur the face from movements. It may have been considered disrespectful towards the photographer as to wasting his time & causing poor image by having the face turned out blurred. And as you stated, VERY Expensive back then to have an image taken, so maybe a disrespect to your family as well not having a well produced image due to movements made during the exposure time
Yes, she’s posed. That was common in the early 1900’s because that was usually the only picture they had of them.
I think that Teresa is posed in death. There was a "stand" or "prop" used to secure the head/body. There have been people in this time that have chosen to be posed, i.e. the gentleman on his motorcycle, a lady sitting at a table with a drink and her cigarettes wearing sun glasses. Propping loved ones for a final photo was the norm back then. What's old is new again!
Merry Christmas! 🎄 That first statue is beautiful! I do think that lady is deceased in her picture.
Thank you I always enjoy watching, the lady looked posed to me. Wishing you a very Merry Christmas!. ps. the camera shots are amazingly clear!
FASCINATING.YOUR WORK IS EXCELLENT THANK YOU
It’s a sad state of affairs that the only picture that the family had was of them dying or in death .... unless u were rich , disease was rife simply medications unavailable.....imagine the life of burying most of your children...... I cannot 😱 women were dying in childbirth regularly, and here we are in 2020 suffering from a deadly pandemic... it’s still only a small taste of how they lived .....god bless u all , amazing videos as always, so knowledgeable, I’m guessing a few are post-mortem pics 😢
Thanks for sharing, the pictures of the deceased are so clear, which is nice. I don't like the fact that some pictures were stolen from gravestones. Thanks for sharing this Ron. Take care, be safe.
I think it's a postmortem picture
I agree
Normally if the picture was taken postmortem the eyes will look cloudy and her eyes still have their amazing color. Most likely it was taken with a camera with a long exposure time which was very uncomfortable to hold still for
@Angels_up_in_heavenxx Forever in our hearts that’s not true. Some cloud over Immediately and some within hours.
In old days, people might have to stand still and not move a muscle in order to get a picture taken. It's easier to hold a position longer without smiling then it is with smiling.
Have a Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas to you Cortney🎄😀✌
Great vid as always. Yes, I think it's a posed picture too, eyes, mouth and head give it away. My grandfather had a picture of my aunt in her coffin when she passed around the age of 2 or 3, his last name was Fanelli, same as the grave with pictures you shown.
Merry Christmas. I really enjoy you channel and I’m glad to see you are being monetized. I love visiting
Cemeteries and seeing all the history there.
Again, truly amazing visits in the Mt.Carmel cemetery. This cemetery is a visual of time gone by. Thank you so much for these time treasures.Happy Xmas to you. Again please be careful if you are alone. Don't trip an fall.
Yeah man, that one lady looked either dead or reallyyyy pissed off about something. Awesome video bro!
LOL...FUNNY!
I think I watched a documentary on why people didn't smile back then it's because they had no dental work done and a lot of them had missing teeth
I literally just also heard that it wasn’t polite to smile in the pictures back then, they considered it rude. Isn’t it funny how it’s completely the opposite now?
My grandmother told me that in many countries like where her family came from that it is rude and ungodly to smile. Not having good teeth would be a good reason not to smile too I totally get that since having most of my teeth knocked out and broken from a car wreck.
@@dorotheawalker7985 - yes, and it may even have been you that commented earlier that alerted me to this. Anyway it makes sense. It must’ve been the norm then because every single picture you see, like almost 100% a person never ever smiling
It took so long for picture to be taken, that you couldn't hold a smile for such a period of time!
They also used timed exposures, so a straight face was the best way to do it. Plus, many of these death photos were probably used because they didn't have any other pictures of themselves.
Such a huge cemetery thanks Ron awesome I love your videos brilliant never a dull moment 🙂 watching from NZ.
What brings us here? From all different walks? Could it be the same thing that brings us all to death? We have so much more in common then we'll ever know. God bless
I love those words! Well stated.
I do feel like we are building a family here. What a great group of people I see.
@@FacesoftheForgotten thank you for what you do
Hi there, this is another excellent video! I think Teresa photo is post mortem, her head is at an odd angle, Happy Holidays to you and your family❤💜❤💜
I agree with your fans, she looks dead. I'm not sure if her eyes were painted on or not. It looks very strange...
As we know, pictures were very costly in the early 1900's so most people waited until their relative passed before capturing a last memory picture of their loved ones... unlike now where selfies are the rage. May all these past souls rest in peace !!
I love that Jesus Statue! Who would wreck that Statue? Beautiful cemetery! Yes Ron you are a good guy!!
Teresa's eyes do not appear to be focused on anything so you are probably right about it being taken after death. She is also in an unnatural position. And I can't help noticing how terribly sad her husband looks.
You’re the best cemetery walker on TH-cam! Merry Christmas 🎄🎁 (again) !
NOW THAT IS A HUUUUUUUGE COMPLIMENT. WOWOWOW.
thank you, how inspiring. you made my Christmas Day :-)
Faces of the Forgotten Awww 🥰 what a heartfelt compliment. God bless you and all the remembering you bring to us for the faces of those forgotten! I’m honored to play a part of your walking!
Such a beautiful Cemetery, it's so amazing, great job !
Merry Christmas 🎄🕊️
Thank you for all your hard work that you put in during editing, correcting dates, etc! These people haven't felt this cared about by anyone in 100 years or more! Just thank you! I hope someone like you comes across my grave if I end up buried... Just pure respect...
Thanks for this holiday treat. Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and many exciting cemetery discoveries in 2021.
Merry Christmas from our family to yours. Thanks for all you do.
Keep coming back
It's amazing how the picture are still looking good after !more than100 years
The statute of the little girl is carrying flowers in her dress.
The pic of the women is post mortem. Her eyes are painted in later. I did go look for the soldier with no name . But did not find anything about him. But i did see many other beautiful tombstones. Also from a little boy on a bench
I just love your specials on this cemetery I have been there. This place holds a lot of history much more than al Capone. Look at all the faces when they alive they look directly at the camera. This woman God rest her soul as with the others that were posed after death they are not looking at the camera. Their eyes are fixed and looking sort of off in space. The eyes can not be controled. She had passed. This custom began in the early 1800s and continued till the late 30s. I think that custom was disgraceful.
I truly enjoy all your videos ...
I believe you are right that ladys pick was taken after she had passed bless. Stay safe 😊
I now look at each picture and wonder, were they dead when this was taken? Thank you for showing us these stones.
Thanks for sharing.
The stones back then were so beautiful. Today they just dont take the time and or the craftmanship they did back in the 20's. I cant evrn imagine the cost of thoes.
I have so many times going to mention that no-one smile in pictures back then. So serious.
I just found out that one of the reasons is it was considered rude back than a smile on the photo, insulting. My my how things have turned around? I’ll mention it in my next video, but I’m already 10 videos ahead ha ha Ha will have to wait
Well done, as usual. Merry Christmas.
Back then people didn't smile in pictures because the exposure time took too long it was uncomfortable. I agree this one does look postmortem.
it was also considered rude (I am told)
Hard to tell about THE LADY-IN-GAZE because it is such a strange pose and not like a pose of an alive person. She looks like she might be in a reclined position, but I'm not sure. I wonder if the eyes were painted on?
it is really storage expression, look...I am pretty sure she was deceased, yes, eyes painted on the print.
@@FacesoftheForgotten Oh, I always thought that the eyes were painted on the person, (I don't know why) but that makes more sense!
I miss these types of videos. Just looking at the pictures and remembering people.
John's hair though lol. Striking
Would love more, love this cemetery. your stories and editing are top notch!
Merry Christmas my friend
What's sad is families never come by to clean the stones or mausoleum.
Most people don't even know there fam anymore i never knew mine ma grandma raised me but died when was 7 so went to many bordingschool's and faster parents housses's ma grandma did tell me stuffbut was so young bin treu so much it never stay in my head only know where she is my uncle and grandpa
Plus allotofdifferent last banes's don't even know where to start see name's but does not tell my anything sadley
Yes, she does look like she was posed in death, that is not a normal stance
Love the pictures
Merry Christmas everyone, much love from the Philippines!
I'm watching this Christmas day. It before noon. Its very chilly the wind chill is in the teens. I'm not having no big supper, no family will be coming. I won't be cooking. But I'm blessed. My health is OK. I've said my prayers, thanking mother Mary, Jesus, Joseph and father God. Like many of you have lost loved ones, most due to old age. I'm not looking for gifts. But I'm still blessed. Might not be no big dinner. Know what Christmas means to me. Whether its a sandwhich, or whatever in the fridge. I'm blessed because some don't have that. Bless you. Take care, be safe. Merry, merry Christmas, have a blessed and safe new year. Love, respect, and positivity always, neita James. Its 50 50 about the lady. Kind hard to tell. . N.j.:-)
Merry Christmas
Hello again you, I always love watching you
Have a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, love all your videos......Chirstmas hugs to you and family...take care...Mary in Canada
I like your visits to MT Carmel thanks
Merry Christmas 🎄❄️🎅🏻 thank you for sharing your videos 👍🏻😎
In Mt Carmel Cemetery (sorry I don't recall which episode) is the mauselom of Francesco Garofalo and his wife Mary. It's the one that had Santa Barbara at the top...I don't know why either, however Francesco was born Dec 2, 1873 Italy died Jan 15, 1948 North Ave Hospital buried Jan 19th. Mary's name was Verille born June 27, 1870 Italy died April 23, 1934 she was living at 937 S Wesley Ave at that time, buried Apr 28th. The informant is a lady named Elizabeth West. Coincidentally Francesco (Frank) last worked in 1930 as a helper in undertaker office. He had a 3rd grade education. He arrived in 1894 and Mary arrived in 1889. They were married in Chicago Oct 7, 1907. (est ages would be 34 & 37, probably the most likely reason no children) In Mt Carmel there are several Garofalo's. Adela, Agnes, Angelo, Antonia (Biscione), Bettina, Carolina, Dominick, Edwardo, Frances, Gaetano, George, Giuseppe, James, Laura (Ramsden), Luciano, Maria F., Michael, Michael R., Michele, Nicasia, Pasquale, Pietro and Vincenzo. The birth year for "Frank" is 1873, of those above who could be his siblings are: Edwardo 1882-1954. James 1871-1934, Nicasia 1878-1919, Pasquale 1863-1932, Vincenzo 1871-1934. There were none that were old enough to be his parents. Sorry I couldn't help with Santa Barbara, but for what it's worth, there are zero Santa Barbara's buried in that cemetery.
We have a cemetery in Sydney Australia called Rookwood with over a million graves tombs ect and sadly it grows every day
We have a saying that is
crook as Rookwood
Merry Christmas and have a great new year 🇦🇺🙂
«Crook as Rookwood»? What does the saying mean? Google found it: «As crook as Rookwood is an Australian idiom for being very sick and almost ready to die. Crook is Australian slang for being chronically sick. Sometimes the phrase is used for deep corruption, but not in the sense that the corruption is led by crooks, people who are dishonest. The term crook is meant in the sense that the corrupt organization has been sick for a long time.»
Crook as Rookwood means if you sick, have a bad flu just sick in general doesn’t mean your really going to end up in Rookwood
we Aussie’s have some weird sayings 😂
Art in the cemetary wow
Merry Christmas and happy New years everyone! Let's have a better year than 2020 and put this behind us in the Celebrations of Life.
Ascerenza is dressed in a uniform from WW1 just like my grandfather had his photo taken in. The soldier may have gone missing in France, and when the family realized he wasn't coming back put up a monument to him. They probably didn't have any information about the day he went missing which might be the reason for there not being a death date.
There was so much artillery fire in that war of the trenches that they young Ascerenza could have been buried in a trench, fallen into a shell hole in no man's land and was buried by another artillery blast, or he may have been obliterated, blown to atoms as they used to say. Without a doubt all war is hell but WW1 was especially so, using tactics that were current in the 1860s, but facing weapons unlike the world had ever seen.
Please keep coming back to this cemetery, there are a lot of Italians (my grandfather was from Italy), I want to see if his family name appears there. I love your channel and how respectful and thoughtful you are during your filming of the graves. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
4 more upcoming Parts are already videoed, done, now in editing. I will probably get to part 25 before I am done :-) no, really!!!
I am glad you like it - I LOVE THAT CEMETERY!!!!!
@@FacesoftheForgotten I'll be watching all of them and more :-)
Very interesting, Merry Christmas 🎄⛄
Matt you should use a small flashlight the shineon the stones to reveal the names and dates easier.
Hold the light at an angle.
Yes, no smiles. The cameras did not just"click" it took a while to get the shot.
Why would there be copyright issues for mausoleums on bishops hill from the RC Church? It should be just like visiting the outside of any other mausoleum. Obviously you're not going inside. I was hoping to see the outside of Cardinal Cody's final resting place which is the one pictured there. He was a controversial man of the time for the city of Chicago and beyond. It would be nice to see on video and get some of the history. Maybe on a return visit? I have never heard of copyright issues on a cemetery before.
it's private property. I was threatened (not here) that "if we ever see your white truck again"...and: "we have cameras, we are watching for you"...
I have 2 episodes there I had to put on indefinite private mode. why risk it? these catholic cemeteries here are all interconnected.
get this, they even said I could not video in the open air, the general outside cemetery. can you believe that? hollow threat? maybe. BUT-it is private property, not public...so, why chance it. thats why I say don't hit a hornets nest. I just moved on.
sadly, I was raised catholic, we gave a lot of money to the church. a one way street I guess...
@@FacesoftheForgotten Sorry to hear this treatment. That's a horrible way to mistreat people who are coming to a Catholic cemetery. My relatives are buried in an Archdiocesan Catholic Cemetery outside of Philadelphia and I would be making a call to the Archdiocese if I was treated like that and I was visiting my Dad's or grandparents grave. It could be that the employees or security are just poorly trained. My understanding was that the Cemeteries are Church property.
Thank u for another video on Christmas Eve I dont think thats a death photo but jmo
the head wouldnt be cocked to the side. Merry Christmas to u and your family!
It looked like her neck was broken
Thanks for Sharing!!! Happy Holidays!!! 🎄💚❤️🎄
More please Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas 🎄
Thanks!
Really good improvement with the new camera super clear👍
I do not understand why the cemeteries aren’t maintaining the headstones and photographs. The broken headstones are both a shame and a disgrace. Isn’t that the responsibility of the cemetery management?
no, just the grounds. it's the families' responsibilities. sad, when generations later fade away.
The statuary at these cemeteries are beautiful works of Art.
SPANISH FLU WHEN THE YOUNG MEN DIES IN 1918
A lot of young men died in the fighting in WW1 in 1918.
@@DavidSmith-fs6pi True but more died from the flu
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Great channel, with excellent presentation and content..good delivery, enjoyable and very informative, keep up the great videos..I am starting a similar channel in the uk in 2021...we don't always get it right ie the girl collecting flowers with her dress...but don't worry about these small and very minor errors
thx, saw that in editing, lol...funny, as one works the camera and talks...one can't appreciate the finer details. many call outs on it, I knew it was coming, all good---so I pinned the initial comment.
Funny, she in the statue reminds me of my son when he was 4...he used his shirt like that to carry all of his pile of little toy cars around.
Statue is Pieta. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piet%C3%A0_(Michelangelo)
Great love the videos
Merry Christmas great video. People really took serious statues and gravestones.