My Thoughts On Twitch’s “Enhanced Broadcasting” Changes
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=== TIMESTAMPS ===
00:00 New “Enhanced Broadcasting” Features
00:33 AV1 Support!
01:29 Streamer Side Transcoding
04:13 Will this lead to 70/30 for all?
06:13 Okay Maybe I Was Wrong lol
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My TL;DR hot take: Twitch will eventually expand the 70/30 to more streamers.
Anyone else agree with this steamy hot take that will obviously never happen?
60/40 for everyone! ... would sound fair to me. 👍
I dont like the idea of "some animals are more equal..." 😉
The Day Twitch expands to 70/30, TH-cam will probably be 85/15... that pretty much sums it up.
I use Amazon Prime and always get the encode on my streams, because of that.
@@BrunoRafaBR Kick would become 97/3.... (/s)
true @@tonecaster8102
Hell even 60/40 for all partners would be dope !!! keen to see how all this goes down this year !
I literally was waiting "Another Day Nuuty" to change the previous coments. NuttyVerse is real.
I think the transcoding update is great for multiple reasons:
- guaranteed transcoding for all (even though us partners have it by nature as you mentioned),
-higher quality possibilities with new encoding
-possibly increased bitrate when they don’t have to transcode it
-lower latency
-saving Twitch money, which in one way or another will come back to us. Whether it’s a better split, or it’s the platform not being shut down.
The only potential thing down the line is that I could imagine this leading to transcoding disappearing from Twitch affiliates fully, a few years after full integration. But by then, I think most people would have the resources necessary to do the job.
I’m also curious how it will go for potential future IRL streams if that would become the case.
You pretty much nailed everything I've been saying.
Overall I think it's a good step. This moves the needle closer to bringing 70/30 to more people (ofc Twitch will need to cut costs in other areas to do it, perhaps getting rid of or reducing Prime subs).
Man... Giving up Transcoding on Twitch's end for a 70/30 split would be a good move. I'd happily do that.
no transcoding is why mobile gaming streamers (which is a large community btw that twitch is missing out on) are streaming on TH-cam and Trovo instead of Twitch because of this. A LOT of its viewership come from countries where high speed internet isn't as accessible compared to others
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Every time I suggested or asked for HEVC on twitch I got told by people 'that can never happen' as if it was some form of technological wizardry that would be impossible to implement. So glad we're getting it.
It was a licensing issue but yeah, apparently they just added it and nobody batted an eye lmao.
If we are sending multiple quality video options, I wonder if it's possible with a custom OBS build, to send 3 different video feeds instead of transcode options
I'm not sure that's how it's going to work. Pretty certain it is 3-5 encodes of the same render.
I've been on twitch for over 10 years. I know about affiliates having the chance to not get transcoding but I've never actually seen it happen. Every affiliate I've watched and also my own stream has always had it available at all times.
honestly with AV1 support higher bit rate doesn't even matter at all x264 streams look great as it is at source quality but with AV1 you could get damn near lossless at 6000kbps
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So I can’t access the mic on my webcam bc they moved the settings. I’m bummed
We already knew you didn't have pants on. You can see it in the reflection on that thing in the back...
Partner plus was something that existed before . But it was a secret . Big streamers had this contract but it was not public . Now they just made it something that is official. So it's was not a change . At least on that part .
Kind of but not really. Yes it existed, but they've been extremely reluctant to give it to anyone since 2021. Partner Plus gave an explicit goal to reach to qualify for 70/30.
There have already been tonnes of streamers that have been given 70/30 that wouldn't have got it a year ago.
What kind of bandwidth are people going to have to transcode 5 times to twitch? I only have 30Mbps upload and plan to multi stream so I'd love to know how thats going to effect that if I choose to transcode locally.
For me im a affilated it sas 50/50 but if you look im from europe so my community pays in euro's a sub cost 3.99 euro's i get 1.55 Amerikan dollars in my dashboard thats 1,41 Euro so yeah its not 50/50 for me
50/50 split after taxes and payment processing fees were deducted
No way they got the RTX 4070 "tie" guy to narrate this...that's hilarious. Glad you included that last bit nutty, at the very least it's more options!
The question is, if you only send an HEVC/AV1 stream to Twitch, are you going to gimp your possible viewer base that can't watch those codecs without transcoding? So without transcoding, we would have to send at least two streams for maximum compatibility.
AV1 decoding is very accessible.
AV1 encoding is hard but only the streamer needs to do that.
HEVC encoding/decoding is very widely available.
Bitrate is at 10K with enhanced
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Twitch has never given me transcoding options and my PC definitely ain't powerful enough to multistream to YT and like 5 Twitch transcodes. Sounds silly. I might just stop streaming on Twitch, I see very little growth there while YT momentum just keeps going higher and higher. I get that Twitch is more of a platform to bring an audience to rather than build from, so maybe I shouldn't have started there in the first place (yet). The upside to this is that maybe... maybe I'll get transcoding options because people might be using this Nvidia feature.
What do you mean nutty? 5:58 🤨
Btw AV1 encoding works on AMD as well. Not just Intel or NoVideo
Yes but only NVIDIA is supported for this first run since this is a collaboration between NVIDIA, OBS and Twitch.
It would be a shitty move if they, at a later date, roll back the transcoding options for anyone who doesn't transcode for themselves so that anyone only viewing their stream only gets that one quality option. Which is why I can see Twitch doing exactly that.
This feels like a transition period where they're going "look, we're giving you options!" before taking that other original option away later.
There's no plans to remove transcoding so I won't be critical until they do remove it.
0:23 3080 tie
Keep in mind, this doesnt apply to people who use restream services.
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Most home internet has slow upload because they dont want people useing it for commercial use.
This is ridiculous....
So the interesting thing is that with AV1/HEVC, you potentially won't be using that much more upload bandwidth if at all.
But if you do have the extra bandwidth, you'll be getting massive quality improvement.
And all of this is optional so if you don't want to do any of it, you don't have to.
Bro you don't have to J cut EVERY cut...
I am sure if twitch offers insta 60/40 split for all partners who switch their transcode to their PCs, most of them would do that.
One can dream
Do we have a date? When is coming?
You can sign up for the beta and be provided a special OBS.
@@retched where?
This sounds similiar to the way they changed replays... you have to broadcast them yourself... not good smh
Explain to me how transcoding is expensive for twitch.
Because AFAIK with the tech behind it, transcoding allows twitch to save on server resources.
If twitch wants more money, transcoding has to be available to everyone.
Uhhh.. wtf is happening? lol
You have it backwards. Transcoding *is* the expensive part, that's why not everybody gets it.
This new change allows the transcoding to be offloaded to the streamer, which saves Twitch from having to do it.
The benefit to streamers is consumer GPUs are actually more modern that the transcoding servers that Twitch owns, so you'll get better quality transcodes with lower latency. It also guarantees you can get transcoding whereas Twitch can only provide it when they have slots available.
The tradeoff is you need the resources on your own PC to do it as well as the network bandwidth. NVIDIA is helping by expanding your NVENC sessions to 5 which should theoretically have pretty minimal impact on gaming performance, but we'll have to wait and see how true that is.
Why do you think it allows Twitch to save on server resources? Transcoding requires more computing power than just repeating a source stream, so it would naturally be more expensive to run
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Twitch? Giving more to the streamers with the 70/30?
Pssh. In another world. Not ours
They already did it last year and Dan Clancy is on record saying he wants to explore expanding 70/30. It's not as farfetched as it seems.
@@nuttylmao I did not know that. Well then, I shall keep my hopes up
just goto kick or youtube, a "name" of a provider, i don't care about, the streamer bieng happy and the quality, is all i care about. Twitch was a Fad, their days are numbered.
I honestly don't think it's a good thing. A lot of people aren't fortunate enough for good internet. (talking about viewers) Also many people don't even know how to set up their stream for the most part. So setting up multiple transcodes could potentially be a hassle for most. I'm glad I quit streaming. 0 viewers for 5 years straight is not worth it either way.
From what I understand, there's massive changes in OBS that will simplify the process.
I don't think you're going to have to put in 5 stream keys for this.
Forcing end users to do their own transcodes will result in garbage performance from the single PC gamers. The only way this would work great is for 2 PC setups.
It's going to use NVENC. NVIDIA is increasing the number of concurrent NVENC sessions to 5.
1 second commecter, 🤓um ackshually "all the info in this video is all wrong " /s
what i hear the bitrate cap will be 10 mbps max
Yeah sounds like it's 10,000kbps aggregate and will expand even further as they support 4K. Very good news!
To bad I'm using AMD haha
The latest AMD does AV1 too
This is even better for AMD users, even if you don't have a new gpu with AV1 encoding, since you can now use the HEVC encoder too. Twitch currently only supports AVC, and AMD's AVC encoder sucks, the streams are noticeably worse than streamers that use NVIDIA gpus.
Twitch also just laid off. No chance you are getting 70/30. These are cost cutting services because they are drowning.
They had huge layoffs last year and still expanded the pool of 70/30. They've already done it before.
Dan Clancy is on record saying they are looking to expand 70/30.
@@nuttylmao I saw but sooner or later, they have to show a profit. The biggest problem for them is they are owned by another entity. Amazon probably makes more off Kick renting their service than Twitch where they have overhead. I think Clancy wants to do the right thing and he made that commitement before this lay off. It will boost their forecasts for this fiscal but somehow they need to make money and their primary source of revenue is still ...us. Im not a huge Kick fan and I know its devisive. Im just saying they are backed by another revenue source. Thats the difference. Twitch is in a real bad spot because they have to report back to their insect overlords. The competition doesn't have that problem including YT. YT loves streaming because its free money. Thats why they can just eat the transcode costs. I dont hate Twitch nor want them to fail so Im not intentionally being negative. Its still easily the best streaming experience so I hope im totally wrong.
All of that was true a year ago. Clancy had to have known huge layoffs were coming when he made that commitment. He'd be crazy not to know that Twitch needs to run lean again like they did several years back.
You could be right, but I'm just not convinced lowering the threshold from 350 paid subs is off the table.
@@nuttylmao Thats a good point. Yeah man, hopefully that comes to pass. Twitch being in bad shape OR keeping this 50/50 split is bad for creators so I am rooting for them.
They've been making some impressive moves this past 6 months so I'm optimistic, but I could be delusional too lmao.
Maybe it's finally time to leave twitch for a better alternative
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I have to Correct you... AMD Cards also have AV1 (RX 7000)
Not only Intel and Nvidia
I do not understand why we care about being able to transcode on our end. That sounds like twitch off loading the transcoding to us, not the website. Also fuck slower interwebs. I want to stream at the highest quality, not shit stream. I will never transcode. I only want to stream at the best looking stream.
Pros:
• It's cheaper for Twitch - could potentially lead to expanding 70/30
• Higher quality than what Twitch can provide
• Lower latency
• Guarantees transcoding in cases where Twitch doesn't have transcoding slots available
Cons:
• More bandwidth on streamer's end
• Requires extra encoding (they are increasing max NVENC encodes to 5 so this might not be so bad)
@@nuttylmao Sounds more like a p2p streaming setup they are shooting for and want to remove all cost to twitch with transcoding. Also no way thus moves them to offer 70/30 for everyone. 70/30 split for everyone never going to happen. They canned 500 plus employees. They Cleary are trimming the fat and need to get twitch into the black. Am sure amazon is sick of seeing them in the red and are on the chopping block.
Not everyone but they already have shown a willingness to expand 70/30. They already did it last year and they had massive layoffs in March too.
I can see them lowering the threshold over time if this feature goes well.
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