This car is looking more and more like a very smart purchase Nigel as waiting times increase. The market is waking up to the shift in emphasis towards EV's but supply is lagging somewhat behind. Many will be forced to compromise on their needs but you got in ahead of the game and nailed it !
I agree, I'm so lucky to have researched it all at the perfect time and been bold enough to order it. The Konas range just transforms ownership. I'm planning a trip in an Ipace currently and even that with 90kwh can't go where I want and back in a day without charging. The Kona can comfortably. Sat in a Jag Epace too, priced same as the Kona. It was no where near as nice as the Kona. Ipace, yes that's a lovely car, just needs 70 more miles of range
6 mi/kWh is outstanding! I can get over 5 mi/kWh in my e-Golf in the summer but rarely 6 (then again, I am rarely in Eco or Eco+ mode: the car to is too much fun!). What an amazing EV the Kona is though,so well thought-out. Let's hope Hyundai makes a lot more of them. Along with M3 and Kia e-Niro, these could be the cars that transform our streets (and maybe VW ID et al, we'll have to see).
Hey Nigel, thanks for showing this, I now understand how Auto Recup works and will try free wheeling as well, I'm always on Level 3 at the moment. I'm astonished to see how high mileage you get all the time, I barely make it over 6km/kWh (3.7miles). I admit my driving info is not as good as yours and I haven't driven over 5C yet as we are just about to get out of winter in Eastern Canada, maybe that's why. I have set heating at 19C, I noticed 1-2C less does make a difference, almost 1km/kWh better mileage now.
The EV Puzzle No indeed, all the people here seem to have been appreciated the video. The features that I am most eager to try on the new Kona, is everything displayed on the instrument cluster. I am waiting for my car to be delivered so I am trying to learn as much as possible about that. I am particularly interested in all the driving modes, the regen paddles and the cruise control and this video was pretty good all-round these topics. If you also want to make a more specific video with all these details I would be very happy. Thanks!
More cameras, more angles lol Got a nice trip coming up soon and now I know the dash comes out ok, if only I get rid of the glare on the curved plastic in front of the dash 🤔
Or play with a polarising filter. I was a great video, thanks Nigel. I learned a few things. I'm usually looking through the windscreen and not at the instrumentation. I have just photographed the ISLW options as a precaution before the dealer does the software updates next week. Some, as you know, have had it taken away.
Hi Nigel, when you are following the car in auto regen (with a fixed gap)... . Presumably it will use the breakpads if the car infront emergency breaks.?
If it does an emergency stop yes. It'll brake so hard ABS kicks in. Had it happen once. Normally though there's loads of space so it just uses Regen braking
Very informative video. It is nice to see that there is a measurable amount of range accumulated with each braking. Slightly off topic question, but are you topping up the charge every evening or do you let it run down a bit before plugging it it. I was wondering if this had any influence on the frequency of recalculation of the range.
Range calculation is very odd. It recalculated down after 2 miles of less efficient driving and a small charge, where's last 200 miles history was much better. The calculation is a mystery to me
Living in Québec we have to keep an eye on the tyre pressures because of the temperature variance, we experience up to 70c swing in a year, -34 to +35c . Each 6/7c drop or rise in the temperature, will lose or gain you 1 psi, that maybe is the reason for your loss of 2 psi !
I picked up new Kona É Ultimate yesterday, it's the same Bleu Céramique as yours, I haven't got around to finding how to access the tire pressures yet, when I do, I'll keep my eye on them !
Congratulations. Tyre pressures are hidden away in the display options. Think it's the third set of options, one before setup options for HUD height etc
Nigel, just for the fun of it, there are dash software differences between UK and North American Konas. Your steering wheel icon at bottom right for the LFA, we don't have that. In fact, the Lane Following Assist function does not exist for us! It's now regrouped within Lane Keeping Assist as a different mode of the latter. It's called "Active Lane Keeping Assist". There is Normal and Off. The steering icon is gone and it's only the car between lines that displays. Basically our 1st level of LKA plays ping-pong within lines (your LKA) and the Active LKA does "more frequent corrections", as Hyundai calls in the manual (your LFA). Interesting... also we don't have the VSS button and our passenger's seat is 100% manual, not electric, even in the Ultimate most equipped Konas Hyundai makes, like the one I drive.
The Irish model (1 Spec only) also does not include lane follow assist or any of the other Radar assist features such as Adaptive cruise control or smart regeneration. We also only get a smaller nav screen. (Without nav!).
@@EVPuzzle I agree but they are still selling like hotcakes! €39K for a fairly basic car after rebates. Apparently any further extras will add the dreaded Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) which has already used up all of the EV VRT rebate of €5K in the case of the Kona Electric.
My best till now has been 11.3km/kwh. Unfortunately, no adaptive cruise control in India though :(. I have found if I cruise at around 50kmph with regen set to 0 and using regen paddle for breaking gives me the best mileage
With ambient temperature rise, tire pressure will drop. On small tires like 13 in effect not so visible, but on big tires like 16, 17., etc. pressure dropped more as volume of air inside of a tire apparently larger. When car have no tire monitor, we just didnt recognising this pressure drop, but on modern car its possible to see this effect and adjust proper tire pressure accordingly.
What?? Higher temperature = Higher pressure. Gay-Lussac's Law: The pressure of a given amount of gas held at constant volume is directly proportional to the Kelvin temperature. With warmed up car tires the temperature is around 20C higher than the outside temperature and tire pressure is slightly higher than when cold.
@@Tore_Lund My congrats! You are first who know that, at least shown here this knowledge. My post was added late eve Apr 1st , not sure either Brits marked this date.....P.S. not agree warmer car tires temp around 20C higher then ambient temperature....As per my experience its in between road surface temp and ambient air temperature..
@@vvp1002 Cheers, funny indeed! My experience with tire air temperature is from tire sensors. On cloudy days where road temperature and air temperatures were close, highway driving resulted in 20-22 C higher temperatures. City driving is around 10C. Obviously this is from flexing of rubber and whatever kinetic energy in the air inside the tire gets converted to heat. Also there must be some direct heating from the brakes as disc brakes are directly bolted to an aluminium rim which dissipates a fair portion of the heat from braking. Of course, if the road surface is blistering hot from the sun, that also adds to the air temperature, both when parked and when driving.
@@Tore_Lund I got interested when my new car appeared to have tires 215/70 R16 (air volume is quite big) and tyre pressure' live monitor....The diff in stall and running condition is app 0.2 kPa.....Winter and summer 0.5 kPa...... I have no tyre temp monitors, thus i use infrared thermometer.....Usually my observation shown tyres temp abt in between road surface and ambient temp, but i drive as per Rules- not faster 50 km/h city and 90-95 kn/h off city without sharp braking, and my forward wheels have direct ventilation (vent canals in the sides of bumpers).... I guess we both correct as per condition of measurements
Another really informative video - Thanks. I've been watching them for the last 6 months while waiting patiently for my Kona to arrive. One question on the Kona is about the Satnav - it seems to only give traffic information if I connect it via wifi to a hotspot on my phone - is that correct? Is there any other way? Also - I wondered whether you'd done any longer trips to test out the fuel efficiency of SCC and LKA/LFA vs manually adjusting the speed. I did a 350 mile trip over two days and my results were inconclusive... Thanks!
Hi Mike, Best satnavs are Google and Waze for updates over android Auto/car play. In car satnav doesn't have 3g/4g SIM so can't get the data without your hotspot No, I've not tested repeated long trip runs. Problem is the variances could be down to traffic, temperature, wind or SCC etc.
Mike, I generally use SCC for most journeys and it seems very efficient. However, as Nigel has pointed out, temperature can be a big factor in trying to make journey comparisons over different days, or even on journeys at different times in the same day. For example, over the Easter weekend a journey of about 55 miles using mainly motorways and dual carriageways in the morning with SCC set to 60mph resulted on 4.6 miles/KWh. After the return journey over the same route in the afternoon with temperatures between 24C and 26C the overall average for the day was 5.3 miles/KWh which means that the return journey was 6 miles/KWh again running with SCC at 60mph. By comparison, I struggled to do better than 4.3 miles/KWh over the winter when running at mainly 60mph.
Hi Nigel Thanks for making these informative video's. I have a question for you. Could you tell me if the Kona has lane follow assist as well as lane keep assist. Also your tyre pressure can change with atmospheric pressure and ambient temperature.
Yes it has LKA and LFA. LFA is really part of Smart cruise control, it only works in conjunction with SCC. Yes on tyre pressures. I need to reduce them down to 36 anyway. Softer ride
For economy, the data that I feel is most trustworthy is the charging energy used (easy to record because I'm limited to using public chargers) and the distance returned on the odometer. Every 1st of the month I take the odo reading and add up all the billed energy and any freely-obtained energy for that month. February returned 5.9 mi/kWh (10.5 kWh/km) and March a similar 5.7 mi/kWh (10.9 kWh/km). Now, temperature and road conditions are ideal here in NZ right now and speeds tend not to exceed 62 mph (100 km/h) but there are significant hills and I would use the AC quite a bit. The approaching first winter might give me a big surprise. I can't say I've ever seen the collision warning come up even though I have it enabled. It's comical that the front car in the graphic is a Kona while the rear car bonnet appears generic.
Something wrong here with both your conversions; 5.7 mi/kWh is 9.17km/kWh and and not 10.9kWh/km. which would be very bad!!! Your figures are impressive. Hills don't cost a lot, but the way you use regen is important. From high drag highway speed, regen hard to get maximum returned to the battery until your speed is around 30 mph or below, then switch it off and coast, as energy is better conserved in the rolling vehicle than charging through a slow rotating inefficient motor at that speed, Also the last part of regen before a full stop does not charge your battery. The back EMF from the motor at that speed is lower than the battery pack voltage., So often the motor windings are simply shorted to provide braking force. So some of your hyper miler tricks from driving a stick car still applies and timing your stops so you roll out, is still the least wasteful way to drive.
@@Tore_Lund, yes, I found one mistake in my records due to the charger billing provider failing to text me 5 session receipts during the month. I'm at 12.9 kWh/100km (4.8m/kWh) now, still seems too good to be true (and less than the car-reported avg consumption) but I'm confident now I have captured all energy used and can only assume both the ABB, Schneider and Delta EVSEs are accurately measuring the power supplied and that the odometer is accurate, which it certainly appears to be from published city to city distances. The conversions to miles was rushed and I missed the 100 in km! I do tend to use coast mode as much as practical, as I'm aware of the advantages of avoiding regen losses but don't make too many other efforts at economy.
Thanks again for another great video! Every day I learn new things about the Kona - from your videos, the Manual and my own driving experience. Still, there is one thing about regeneration that is a bit of a mystery to me, and that is that (wonderful) feeling of the car freeing itself/loosening up when I shift from - let’s say - regen level 2 to 1 to 0 (coasting) - as if the car has driven along with some level of braking being applied. But surely, that cannot possibly be the case - braking and accelerating at the same time?
I know it's weird . That resistance. Try a descent and balance the throttle just right and you can Regen going downhill but still on the throttle. It's clever stuff and I suspect it's the reason the Hyundai is one of the most efficient EVs. What the resistance we can feel actually is, I'm not sure but in coasting it's just frictionless
Steering wheel controls go to settings and enable it there. Once enabled you can turn on or off by pulling right hand paddle and holding. Not sure on sat nav.
Have you tried no regen test Just to see what difference it makes Say on a 100 mile test run drive the same put regen off I believe it will only make 10 miles less My local dealer had a Kona test day I had 1 hr test drive in the 64kw version
On a flat straight road, coasting is great but best efficiency comes from maximising Regen in my experience. Even on a 100 mile run run can't compare due to wind direction, traffic etc etc. Getting an identical test is hard
It all depends terrain and drivingstyle.. The optimal should be to coast down for junction, red light etc, but with other trafic, terrain and miscalculations it's nearly impossible to do.. I've found steady speed is the best. If that means regen down a hill, then regen is the best.. There's no easy answer.
Camera looks good but there is a bit of glare to deal with. You might consider night drives or using trying one of those retracting baby sunscreens. Keep up the good work.
It's an ongoing battle. The Kona dash has a curved plastic front which seems to attract reflections. I can't block too much out without impacting visibility or safety. I'll get there. Next test on Tuesday in an Ipace!
Can't say for sure, but I really don't believe going into the red hurts your consumption (if you're getting up to that speed anyways). I suppose (close to) full power will, but here you're at 30-40-50 kW? Brisk vs hard vs soft acceleration would make a great test one day btw, although quite hard to compare.. I've tried ECO in the old Leaf and found no difference in consumption, only a very hard wattpedal. On that drive you're mostly at around 20-30mph (30-50km/h). Believe most efficient speed is around 40-45km/h, if Susan is more efficient, does she drive closer to that speed? Is her speed more consistant (remember steady speed wins the race..). Or are you unlucky, she drives in 12C sunny weather and tailwind all the time, and you end up with 5C pooring rain, fogging windows with AC on full blast AND headwind?
@@EVPuzzle hmm, really.. I do acc slower/softer when I'm trying an ecorun, although I have doubts it helps.. I find hard acc often leads to harder driving overall so might obscure results. Then you're talking dead slow like the normal driving in your video right, or maby slower? Great if you could set up a test and make a video of that ;) Maby revisit your regen-test? Try same driving overall only difference brisk and soft acc. Down a slope before a straight I really wonder what's best.. For instance we have some pretty short on-ramps here where it's possible to accelerate to speedlimit, 80 km/h, down a slope before the pretty flat highway. What's best, quick up to 80 down the slope or slow up to speed down the slope, say up to 50-60 km/h and continue acc on the straight, now that's a puzzle for me ;)
@@EVPuzzle true, but an EV is still an EV and their all very efficient both under power and regen.. So what's most efficient for a Kona should be the same for Leaf, Zoe etc. I believe any difference if two tests don't agree on what's most efficient comes more down to different terrain, drivingstyle, speeds etc than different cars...
Updated as I misinterpreted your message as being derogatory. Sorry t cakes Electric cars don't need super fast charging when you've got 300 Mile range
of course you do there are plenty of 7kw chargers which of course are hopeless 50kw is the minnimum requirement do you think a network of fast/super chargers are a bad thing …dont get me wrong i have an ev its great but things could be so much better .. 300 mile mile range in winter on the motorway 70 mph alas not… . to some up lets do it better….i quite surprised your answer was so rude i thought you were a gentleman .
My apologies but with your comment being so short , it's meaning is easily misinterpreted. I truly believe super fast charging networks (above 50kw) aren't an essential. Don't get me wrong they might be handy on major routes used for traversing the country but.... Ask a UK Tesla owner how often they use superchargers and the answer is rarely, unless they have free use of one nearby of course. With 300 miles range a slower charger is fine. How many people travel more than 300miles a day. Not many. I bought the Kona as it gives me the option to NEVER charge at public charging stations. As more destinations install chargers, friends, family, businesses, short top ups are all we need. Smaller battery cars, yes they need chargers more but the trend is for more kWh and more range which over time linked with slower charger abundance will mean fewer faster chargers will be needed...imo
@@EVPuzzle I don’t want to appear a moaner i would like everyone to drive electric …. we coild do what Norway do but we dont it shouldn’t be any harder as we are a small country …. i cant see the uk having a great infrastructure anytime soon but we have more ev changing places than petrol stations (every home and business has one) so for me range is everything slow charging at home is fine especially in the uk as i said we are a small country …. 400 mile range minimum here in uk you would not need infrastructure so double what evs do now … well one day … i hope i live long enough … keep up the good work…thanks ..
It's not moaning I see it more as perspective. Perspectives change once you are driving an EV with long range but given not all EVs have that range we'll need more chargers until the tech enables 300 miles in smaller cars. Some can't charge at home si they need an infrastructure of 50kw chargers. When I talked to James of "James and Kate" it was very clear his thoughts and needs were very different to mine. It's not easy catering for everyone's needs. Whereas one Kona owner I know commutes 500 miles or more a day!! needing a public charging network every day.... I know another who has yet to charge on a public charger. I'm concerned about super or ultra chargers. Batteries don't like heat and the faster the charge, the greater the heat so I'm sceptical of anything over 100kw with current battery technology
This car is looking more and more like a very smart purchase Nigel as waiting times increase. The market is waking up to the shift in emphasis towards EV's but supply is lagging somewhat behind. Many will be forced to compromise on their needs but you got in ahead of the game and nailed it !
I agree, I'm so lucky to have researched it all at the perfect time and been bold enough to order it.
The Konas range just transforms ownership. I'm planning a trip in an Ipace currently and even that with 90kwh can't go where I want and back in a day without charging. The Kona can comfortably.
Sat in a Jag Epace too, priced same as the Kona. It was no where near as nice as the Kona. Ipace, yes that's a lovely car, just needs 70 more miles of range
Nice detailed explanation of what all those numbers and icons mean!
Auto Recuperation is really a cool thing. It's also a very good security assistant. It is allways ON in my settings.
grettings from Austria
Always on for me too. Our daughters off skiing to Austria next week
@@EVPuzzle , nice, i hope they have a good wheather and fun :)
6 mi/kWh is outstanding! I can get over 5 mi/kWh in my e-Golf in the summer but rarely 6 (then again, I am rarely in Eco or Eco+ mode: the car to is too much fun!). What an amazing EV the Kona is though,so well thought-out. Let's hope Hyundai makes a lot more of them. Along with M3 and Kia e-Niro, these could be the cars that transform our streets (and maybe VW ID et al, we'll have to see).
Hey Nigel, thanks for showing this, I now understand how Auto Recup works and will try free wheeling as well, I'm always on Level 3 at the moment. I'm astonished to see how high mileage you get all the time, I barely make it over 6km/kWh (3.7miles). I admit my driving info is not as good as yours and I haven't driven over 5C yet as we are just about to get out of winter in Eastern Canada, maybe that's why. I have set heating at 19C, I noticed 1-2C less does make a difference, almost 1km/kWh better mileage now.
I'm still discovering what works best but gradually finding the tricks of the trade. It's nice to share.
I'd be interested to see a rough map of where you drove
I actually prefer to look at how the instrument cluster works so ... thanks for NOT pointing the camera to the road or to yourself! :D
Seems like I shouldn't have worried lol
The EV Puzzle No indeed, all the people here seem to have been appreciated the video. The features that I am most eager to try on the new Kona, is everything displayed on the instrument cluster. I am waiting for my car to be delivered so I am trying to learn as much as possible about that. I am particularly interested in all the driving modes, the regen paddles and the cruise control and this video was pretty good all-round these topics. If you also want to make a more specific video with all these details I would be very happy. Thanks!
More cameras, more angles lol
Got a nice trip coming up soon and now I know the dash comes out ok, if only I get rid of the glare on the curved plastic in front of the dash 🤔
@@EVPuzzle Do it at night! :D
Or play with a polarising filter. I was a great video, thanks Nigel. I learned a few things. I'm usually looking through the windscreen and not at the instrumentation. I have just photographed the ISLW options as a precaution before the dealer does the software updates next week. Some, as you know, have had it taken away.
Fantastic, great detailed video, thanks
Tyre pressures will drop. On my road bike with a latex inner tube it drops by PSIs per week.
Hi Nigel, when you are following the car in auto regen (with a fixed gap)... . Presumably it will use the breakpads if the car infront emergency breaks.?
If it does an emergency stop yes. It'll brake so hard ABS kicks in. Had it happen once.
Normally though there's loads of space so it just uses Regen braking
Very informative video. It is nice to see that there is a measurable amount of range accumulated with each braking. Slightly off topic question, but are you topping up the charge every evening or do you let it run down a bit before plugging it it. I was wondering if this had any influence on the frequency of recalculation of the range.
Range calculation is very odd. It recalculated down after 2 miles of less efficient driving and a small charge, where's last 200 miles history was much better.
The calculation is a mystery to me
Living in Québec we have to keep an eye on the tyre pressures because of the temperature variance, we experience up to 70c swing in a year, -34 to +35c . Each 6/7c drop or rise in the temperature, will lose or gain you 1 psi, that maybe is the reason for your loss of 2 psi !
I was expecting to let some air out as temperatures are up about 8 degrees Celsius but it's lost it on its own
The EV Puzzle Mmm, it’s an EV puzzle !?
Weirdly they've all dropped the same amount. Maybe the sensors aren't accurate?
I picked up new Kona É Ultimate yesterday, it's the same Bleu Céramique as yours, I haven't got around to finding how to access the tire pressures yet, when I do, I'll keep my eye on them !
Congratulations. Tyre pressures are hidden away in the display options. Think it's the third set of options, one before setup options for HUD height etc
Nigel, just for the fun of it, there are dash software differences between UK and North American Konas. Your steering wheel icon at bottom right for the LFA, we don't have that. In fact, the Lane Following Assist function does not exist for us! It's now regrouped within Lane Keeping Assist as a different mode of the latter. It's called "Active Lane Keeping Assist". There is Normal and Off. The steering icon is gone and it's only the car between lines that displays. Basically our 1st level of LKA plays ping-pong within lines (your LKA) and the Active LKA does "more frequent corrections", as Hyundai calls in the manual (your LFA). Interesting... also we don't have the VSS button and our passenger's seat is 100% manual, not electric, even in the Ultimate most equipped Konas Hyundai makes, like the one I drive.
I suspect that the changes are related to keeping the cost equal to the price of the Bolt. I own the same.
Interesting. Luckily the model I e got has the lot.... except blue link.
The Irish model (1 Spec only) also does not include lane follow assist or any of the other Radar assist features such as Adaptive cruise control or smart regeneration. We also only get a smaller nav screen. (Without nav!).
Bad decision by the importer. They're the best bits
@@EVPuzzle I agree but they are still selling like hotcakes! €39K for a fairly basic car after rebates. Apparently any further extras will add the dreaded Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) which has already used up all of the EV VRT rebate of €5K in the case of the Kona Electric.
My best till now has been 11.3km/kwh. Unfortunately, no adaptive cruise control in India though :(. I have found if I cruise at around 50kmph with regen set to 0 and using regen paddle for breaking gives me the best mileage
You should be checking the tyre pressure every two-three weeks more if you drive a greater distance. Not only for breaking safety but efficiency too.
With ambient temperature rise, tire pressure will drop. On small tires like 13 in effect not so visible, but on big tires like 16, 17., etc. pressure dropped more as volume of air inside of a tire apparently larger. When car have no tire monitor, we just didnt recognising this pressure drop, but on modern car its possible to see this effect and adjust proper tire pressure accordingly.
What?? Higher temperature = Higher pressure.
Gay-Lussac's Law: The pressure of a given amount of gas held at constant volume is directly proportional to the Kelvin temperature.
With warmed up car tires the temperature is around 20C higher than the outside temperature and tire pressure is slightly higher than when cold.
@@Tore_Lund My congrats! You are first who know that, at least shown here this knowledge. My post was added late eve Apr 1st , not sure either Brits marked this date.....P.S. not agree warmer car tires temp around 20C higher then ambient temperature....As per my experience its in between road surface temp and ambient air temperature..
@@vvp1002 Cheers, funny indeed! My experience with tire air temperature is from tire sensors. On cloudy days where road temperature and air temperatures were close, highway driving resulted in 20-22 C higher temperatures. City driving is around 10C. Obviously this is from flexing of rubber and whatever kinetic energy in the air inside the tire gets converted to heat. Also there must be some direct heating from the brakes as disc brakes are directly bolted to an aluminium rim which dissipates a fair portion of the heat from braking. Of course, if the road surface is blistering hot from the sun, that also adds to the air temperature, both when parked and when driving.
@@Tore_Lund I got interested when my new car appeared to have tires 215/70 R16 (air volume is quite big) and tyre pressure' live monitor....The diff in stall and running condition is app 0.2 kPa.....Winter and summer 0.5 kPa...... I have no tyre temp monitors, thus i use infrared thermometer.....Usually my observation shown tyres temp abt in between road surface and ambient temp, but i drive as per Rules- not faster 50 km/h city and 90-95 kn/h off city without sharp braking, and my forward wheels have direct ventilation (vent canals in the sides of bumpers).... I guess we both correct as per condition of measurements
Another really informative video - Thanks. I've been watching them for the last 6 months while waiting patiently for my Kona to arrive. One question on the Kona is about the Satnav - it seems to only give traffic information if I connect it via wifi to a hotspot on my phone - is that correct? Is there any other way? Also - I wondered whether you'd done any longer trips to test out the fuel efficiency of SCC and LKA/LFA vs manually adjusting the speed. I did a 350 mile trip over two days and my results were inconclusive... Thanks!
Hi Mike,
Best satnavs are Google and Waze for updates over android Auto/car play.
In car satnav doesn't have 3g/4g SIM so can't get the data without your hotspot
No, I've not tested repeated long trip runs. Problem is the variances could be down to traffic, temperature, wind or SCC etc.
@@EVPuzzle thanks for the tip.
Mike, I generally use SCC for most journeys and it seems very efficient. However, as Nigel has pointed out, temperature can be a big factor in trying to make journey comparisons over different days, or even on journeys at different times in the same day. For example, over the Easter weekend a journey of about 55 miles using mainly motorways and dual carriageways in the morning with SCC set to 60mph resulted on 4.6 miles/KWh. After the return journey over the same route in the afternoon with temperatures between 24C and 26C the overall average for the day was 5.3 miles/KWh which means that the return journey was 6 miles/KWh again running with SCC at 60mph. By comparison, I struggled to do better than 4.3 miles/KWh over the winter when running at mainly 60mph.
Hi Nigel
Thanks for making these informative video's.
I have a question for you. Could you tell me if the Kona has lane follow assist as well as lane keep assist.
Also your tyre pressure can change with atmospheric pressure and ambient temperature.
Yes it has LKA and LFA. LFA is really part of Smart cruise control, it only works in conjunction with SCC.
Yes on tyre pressures. I need to reduce them down to 36 anyway. Softer ride
The EV Puzzle
Thanks Nigel 👍
For economy, the data that I feel is most trustworthy is the charging energy used (easy to record because I'm limited to using public chargers) and the distance returned on the odometer. Every 1st of the month I take the odo reading and add up all the billed energy and any freely-obtained energy for that month. February returned 5.9 mi/kWh (10.5 kWh/km) and March a similar 5.7 mi/kWh (10.9 kWh/km). Now, temperature and road conditions are ideal here in NZ right now and speeds tend not to exceed 62 mph (100 km/h) but there are significant hills and I would use the AC quite a bit. The approaching first winter might give me a big surprise. I can't say I've ever seen the collision warning come up even though I have it enabled. It's comical that the front car in the graphic is a Kona while the rear car bonnet appears generic.
Something wrong here with both your conversions; 5.7 mi/kWh is 9.17km/kWh and and not 10.9kWh/km. which would be very bad!!! Your figures are impressive. Hills don't cost a lot, but the way you use regen is important. From high drag highway speed, regen hard to get maximum returned to the battery until your speed is around 30 mph or below, then switch it off and coast, as energy is better conserved in the rolling vehicle than charging through a slow rotating inefficient motor at that speed, Also the last part of regen before a full stop does not charge your battery. The back EMF from the motor at that speed is lower than the battery pack voltage., So often the motor windings are simply shorted to provide braking force. So some of your hyper miler tricks from driving a stick car still applies and timing your stops so you roll out, is still the least wasteful way to drive.
@@Tore_Lund, yes, I found one mistake in my records due to the charger billing provider failing to text me 5 session receipts during the month. I'm at 12.9 kWh/100km (4.8m/kWh) now, still seems too good to be true (and less than the car-reported avg consumption) but I'm confident now I have captured all energy used and can only assume both the ABB, Schneider and Delta EVSEs are accurately measuring the power supplied and that the odometer is accurate, which it certainly appears to be from published city to city distances. The conversions to miles was rushed and I missed the 100 in km!
I do tend to use coast mode as much as practical, as I'm aware of the advantages of avoiding regen losses but don't make too many other efforts at economy.
Thanks again for another great video! Every day I learn new things about the Kona - from your videos, the Manual and my own driving experience. Still, there is one thing about regeneration that is a bit of a mystery to me, and that is that (wonderful) feeling of the car freeing itself/loosening up when I shift from - let’s say - regen level 2 to 1 to 0 (coasting) - as if the car has driven along with some level of braking being applied. But surely, that cannot possibly be the case - braking and accelerating at the same time?
I know it's weird . That resistance.
Try a descent and balance the throttle just right and you can Regen going downhill but still on the throttle. It's clever stuff and I suspect it's the reason the Hyundai is one of the most efficient EVs.
What the resistance we can feel actually is, I'm not sure but in coasting it's just frictionless
How do i turn auto recuperation on ? also how do i clear from my sat nav previous destinations ?
Steering wheel controls go to settings and enable it there. Once enabled you can turn on or off by pulling right hand paddle and holding.
Not sure on sat nav.
Have you tried no regen test
Just to see what difference it makes
Say on a 100 mile test run drive the same put regen off
I believe it will only make 10 miles less
My local dealer had a Kona test day
I had 1 hr test drive in the 64kw version
On a flat straight road, coasting is great but best efficiency comes from maximising Regen in my experience.
Even on a 100 mile run run can't compare due to wind direction, traffic etc etc. Getting an identical test is hard
It all depends terrain and drivingstyle.. The optimal should be to coast down for junction, red light etc, but with other trafic, terrain and miscalculations it's nearly impossible to do..
I've found steady speed is the best. If that means regen down a hill, then regen is the best.. There's no easy answer.
Camera looks good but there is a bit of glare to deal with. You might consider night drives or using trying one of those retracting baby sunscreens. Keep up the good work.
It's an ongoing battle. The Kona dash has a curved plastic front which seems to attract reflections.
I can't block too much out without impacting visibility or safety. I'll get there. Next test on Tuesday in an Ipace!
Can't say for sure, but I really don't believe going into the red hurts your consumption (if you're getting up to that speed anyways). I suppose (close to) full power will, but here you're at 30-40-50 kW? Brisk vs hard vs soft acceleration would make a great test one day btw, although quite hard to compare.. I've tried ECO in the old Leaf and found no difference in consumption, only a very hard wattpedal.
On that drive you're mostly at around 20-30mph (30-50km/h). Believe most efficient speed is around 40-45km/h, if Susan is more efficient, does she drive closer to that speed? Is her speed more consistant (remember steady speed wins the race..). Or are you unlucky, she drives in 12C sunny weather and tailwind all the time, and you end up with 5C pooring rain, fogging windows with AC on full blast AND headwind?
Accelerating slower makes a big difference
@@EVPuzzle hmm, really.. I do acc slower/softer when I'm trying an ecorun, although I have doubts it helps.. I find hard acc often leads to harder driving overall so might obscure results.
Then you're talking dead slow like the normal driving in your video right, or maby slower?
Great if you could set up a test and make a video of that ;) Maby revisit your regen-test? Try same driving overall only difference brisk and soft acc.
Down a slope before a straight I really wonder what's best.. For instance we have some pretty short on-ramps here where it's possible to accelerate to speedlimit, 80 km/h, down a slope before the pretty flat highway. What's best, quick up to 80 down the slope or slow up to speed down the slope, say up to 50-60 km/h and continue acc on the straight, now that's a puzzle for me ;)
Remember the Kona isn't a Leaf and hence it's bias towards Regen might be different. Not all EVs work identically
@@EVPuzzle true, but an EV is still an EV and their all very efficient both under power and regen.. So what's most efficient for a Kona should be the same for Leaf, Zoe etc.
I believe any difference if two tests don't agree on what's most efficient comes more down to different terrain, drivingstyle, speeds etc than different cars...
I tend to agree but if the Kona is 10% more efficient than the Leaf if wager it's not even split amongst components
Great car. Really nice. I want to buy it second hand.... I can spent 20
000 22.000 pounds
interesting ev video…..Self-Charging Rant: Toyota advertising, Gridserve charging & What Car Magazine | Fully Charged News
where is the hyundai super charger network…..
Updated as I misinterpreted your message as being derogatory. Sorry t cakes
Electric cars don't need super fast charging when you've got 300 Mile range
of course you do there are plenty of 7kw chargers which of course are hopeless 50kw is the minnimum requirement do you think a network of fast/super chargers are a bad thing …dont get me wrong i have an ev its great but things could be so much better .. 300 mile mile range in winter on the motorway 70 mph alas not… . to some up lets do it better….i quite surprised your answer was so rude i thought you were a gentleman .
My apologies but with your comment being so short , it's meaning is easily misinterpreted.
I truly believe super fast charging networks (above 50kw) aren't an essential. Don't get me wrong they might be handy on major routes used for traversing the country but.... Ask a UK Tesla owner how often they use superchargers and the answer is rarely, unless they have free use of one nearby of course.
With 300 miles range a slower charger is fine. How many people travel more than 300miles a day. Not many.
I bought the Kona as it gives me the option to NEVER charge at public charging stations.
As more destinations install chargers, friends, family, businesses, short top ups are all we need. Smaller battery cars, yes they need chargers more but the trend is for more kWh and more range which over time linked with slower charger abundance will mean fewer faster chargers will be needed...imo
@@EVPuzzle I don’t want to appear a moaner i would like everyone to drive electric …. we coild do what Norway do but we dont it shouldn’t be any harder as we are a small country …. i cant see the uk having a great infrastructure anytime soon but we have more ev changing places than petrol stations (every home and business has one) so for me range is everything slow charging at home is fine especially in the uk as i said we are a small country …. 400 mile range minimum here in uk you would not need infrastructure so double what evs do now … well one day … i hope i live long enough … keep up the good work…thanks ..
It's not moaning I see it more as perspective.
Perspectives change once you are driving an EV with long range but given not all EVs have that range we'll need more chargers until the tech enables 300 miles in smaller cars.
Some can't charge at home si they need an infrastructure of 50kw chargers.
When I talked to James of "James and Kate" it was very clear his thoughts and needs were very different to mine. It's not easy catering for everyone's needs.
Whereas one Kona owner I know commutes 500 miles or more a day!! needing a public charging network every day.... I know another who has yet to charge on a public charger.
I'm concerned about super or ultra chargers. Batteries don't like heat and the faster the charge, the greater the heat so I'm sceptical of anything over 100kw with current battery technology